1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,199 Speaker 1: What's up, Friendoz, and welcome into Fantasy Pros, the Fantasy 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Football podcast with the rank series, very early ranks, where 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: we are looking at the Fantasy Pros ranks, tiers, valuations, 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: we're talking strategy. We're already looking at what our team 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: construction can be and doing so with me is mister 6 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: Pat Fitzmorris and Tara Roberts, both rankers on the Fantasy 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: Pros platform. We've gone through wide receivers, We've gone through 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: running backs. You can go back and watch those videos. 9 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: Today we're going to be looking at two different positions. 10 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: We're going to be looking at the top twelve quarterbacks 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: and the big board on Fantasy Pros, and the tight ends, 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: both in the top twelve. What our strategies are going 13 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: to look like, whether it is late quarterback season, whether 14 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: we are highly invested in tight end, which is I 15 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: think always a big question. And FITZI, you have definitely 16 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: been you and Bogman kind of have your tight end 17 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: whisper ornest to you. Do you think you're going to 18 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: be just as this is a blanket statement, just jumping ahead, 19 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: do you think you're going to be early investment on 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: tight end this year? Or do you think the position 21 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: is kind of chalk full of value, you that you're 22 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: going to wait on it. 23 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: I'm going to be at an early investor, I think 24 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 2: in most legs. 25 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: Okay, early investment, Tara, going over to quarterbacks, I'm going 26 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: to ask you kind of a similar question. Do you 27 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: think the higher end of quarterback? I know people will 28 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: get dicey about wanting to invest in quarterbacks early on, 29 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: but do you think the high end is valuable enough 30 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: to avoid what the questions are later or do you 31 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: think when you stare at Dak Prescott at eleven and 32 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: brock Purty at twelve and you just see some of 33 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 1: the value later, this is a good year to wait 34 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: and sit on quarterback to the later rounds. 35 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 3: It's a good year to wait. I mean, we've talked 36 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 3: about the fact that the running backs and why de 37 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 3: see fers, there's a point at which all of them 38 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 3: get a little bit shaky, and you know, investing early 39 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 3: and maybe passing up on one of those early quarterbacks 40 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 3: is probably the better route. But I will say I 41 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 3: always say that, and then the quarterback drops and I'm like, ooh, 42 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 3: maybe I do want Justin Herbert or something like that. 43 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: So you know hipocrisy. 44 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm I totally vibe with you on that because 45 00:01:58,320 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: that happens to me and I'm like, I'm not going 46 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: to touch them, It's not gonna happen. And then it's 47 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: like Joe Burrow keeps going or Jayden Daniels and I'm like, well, 48 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: I don't really like the running backs that are here, 49 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: and swide receivers still pretty chalky. I could have Jayden 50 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: Daniels and I think I go down that route, so 51 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: that that is one hundred percent of thing that ends 52 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: up happening to me. So wherever you're at earlier, late 53 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: quarterback or tight end, we're going to be talking about 54 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: what the top twelve looks like, the players that you're 55 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: going to invest in, maybe avoid. We'll look at consensus 56 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: ranks and then we will also compare it against both 57 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: of Tara and Pat's ranks as we do. So, if 58 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: you guys want to follow along, go to fantasypros dot 59 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: com slash rankings. That is where the consensus ranks on 60 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: Fantasy Pros Live. They are going to be changing throughout 61 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: the season as our rankers adjust, more rankers start going 62 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: to the platform. That's what's so cool about it so 63 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: you guys can follow along and feel free to comment 64 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: below in the comments as we do this. So let's 65 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: start with quarterbacks, and let's get the big board up here. 66 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: Our top twelve around fantasy pros. Tier one is the 67 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: first three quarterbacks. It is Josh Allen, Lamar, Jackson, and 68 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: Fitz Morris, Own, Drake May. That is your top three, 69 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: and that is your tier one. Four through eight is 70 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: tier two, where we've got Joe Burrow, Jaydon Daniels, Jalen Hurts, 71 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert and Jackson Dark. There's some pretty good value 72 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: in there for being honest. And Tier three at nine 73 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: is Caleb Williams with Trevor Lawrence, Dak Prescott and Brock Perty. 74 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: So let's outside of Josh Allen being number one and 75 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: maybe deserving his own kind of like pseudo tier here 76 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: are there questions about what quarterback two should look like 77 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: and how close is this Pat, Let's start with you. 78 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: Lamar comes in at two, Drake May comes in at three, 79 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: and honestly, you guys both have the exact same tiering. 80 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: But is this a situation We actually talked about this 81 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: in running backs, where think you said if you were 82 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: doing three drafts. Two of them, you would take bijon 83 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: one you would take Jami or Gibbs. Is this kind 84 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: of like the same thing where you would have some 85 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: diversity in it that It's just like, I don't know 86 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: if I can pass up what Drake May's value can be, 87 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: and I don't want to be fully invested in one guy. 88 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: Do you think those two are super super close or no. 89 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: I like Lamar pretty clearly better. Well, a healthy Lamar 90 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: is just such a force, and clearly he was not 91 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: healthy last season, Like he was QB sixteen in Fantasy 92 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: points per game, the running production just wasn't there. But 93 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: QB one in fantasy points per game in twenty twenty four, 94 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: QB three in Fantasy points per game in twenty twenty three, 95 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: just a tick behind Hertz. So like I think Lamar's 96 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: could be right back to where he was. They feathered 97 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: his nest a little bit in the draft with Elijah 98 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: Serratz in Jacoby Lane, a couple of receivers. Like, I 99 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: love Drake May, but it was a really strange season 100 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: for him last year. And I, by the way, I 101 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: think Drake May is still left to meet on the 102 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 2: bone as far as rushing like, I don't think he's 103 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: at his best running season yet, but absolute cakewalk of 104 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: a schedule last year and he was just dicing up 105 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: defenses with his arm. He is a fantastic passer, maybe 106 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: the best pure passer to come to the league in 107 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: a few years since Joe Burrow. But then he hit 108 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 2: it's this absolute brick wall in the playoffs when he 109 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: runs into maybe the three past pass defenses in the 110 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 2: league and the Texans, the Broncos, and the Seahawks, and 111 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: he just couldn't get anything done. And he's not gonna 112 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: have a cake walk of a schedule this year after 113 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: the Patriots won the AFC East. It's not gonna be 114 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: the murders Row he faced in the playoffs last year, 115 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: but it's gonna be tougher. So I wouldn't be surprised 116 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 2: if he wasn't quite as efficient a passer this year 117 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 2: as he was last year. Still think he's really good. 118 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: Still think he deserves to be QB three, But I'd 119 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: rather have Lamar just as. 120 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: A quick follow up. Here, you're at the back end 121 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: of the third round. He's like thirty one I think 122 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: in our overall, so you're just right on the back end, 123 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: maybe a couple of picks in front of you. Are 124 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: you taking Lamar Jackson in the late third round? 125 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 4: Hmmm? 126 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: And or if Drake May, If both of them are 127 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: there and then Drake May comes back in the fourth round, 128 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: are you taking Drake May in the fourth round? 129 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: Probably not in either case. I think I'm probably I'm 130 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 2: more to go early tight end, wait on a quarterback, 131 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 2: and just you know, if I really didn't like the 132 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 2: wide receiver and running back selections, maybe I'd consider Lamar 133 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 2: late in the third. But I'm pretty committed to waiting 134 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: on quarterback until I get your situation where that name 135 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 2: like Jane Daniels keeps sliding or something and I just 136 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: can't resist. 137 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: Maybe that's the most important thing we're talking about here. 138 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: It's fun to talk about, like is it Lamar, is 139 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: it Drake May? But if you're passing on them at 140 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: value or even a little bit lower than value, I 141 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: think that tells you kind of a bigger story. Tarah, 142 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: same thing across the board, Lamar versus Drake May, and 143 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: then that exact same scenario, both guys are available in 144 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: the back end of the third round. Are you pulling 145 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: the trigger on Lamar Jackson. Are you not? And then 146 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: he gets taken and Drake May's in the fourth Are 147 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: you pulling the trigger there? 148 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: Uh? 149 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Pat nailed it. In terms of Lamar Jackson, 150 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: I think there's a separation there between Lamar and Drake May. 151 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 3: For me, a healthy Lamar Jackson is literally the best, 152 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 3: like when we saw it last year, even with the 153 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 3: fact that early on the Ravens were still quite a mess. 154 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 3: It was just of a season, right, But despite that, 155 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 3: through the first three games of the season, he was 156 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: top five before the injury, and you know that wasn't 157 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: against layup teams as a whole, right, So we know 158 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: what he is. We feel confident if he's on the 159 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 3: field and healthy, we know exactly what we're getting. Pat 160 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: is rate that you know, there is concern what if 161 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 3: that level of efficiency that Drake May was operating off 162 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 3: of last year goes away? We would have to see 163 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: an increase in pass volume. Is Josh Daniel McDaniel's going 164 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 3: to allow that increase in pass volume? I can make 165 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: the argument that I feel a little bit safer if 166 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 3: we do get that inevitable aj Brown trade and then 167 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 3: we've got the clearly upgraded room we've got the addition 168 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: of Romeo Dobs, but the addition of a AJ Brown 169 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 3: would just really put it over the edge there. So 170 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: that would probably increase my comfort level. But to me, 171 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 3: there's a clear separation between the two where yeah, I 172 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 3: can make that argument of Lamar and third and picking 173 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 3: it and feeling okay about it, but I would hesitate 174 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 3: Drake May. I think he's appropriately ranked. He's my QB three, 175 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 3: but in terms of the value that he offers versus 176 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: the guys after him, you might wait on that one 177 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 3: and try and invest in other higher end positions earlier. 178 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: All Right, A quarterback that is always at odds for me, 179 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: someone I don't want to invest in the passer that 180 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: he is, is only distracted by the great runner that 181 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: he is. But I think I don't know. Things kind 182 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: of came to a head this year. It's Jalen Hurts. 183 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts last year weeks ten through seventeen. If we 184 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: want to take away the final week was quarterback ten. 185 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: He was a little bit lower when you do eighteen 186 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: across the board. There's some messy stuff that was going 187 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: on there, but his quarterback six again this year, Obviously 188 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: we know the rushing upside. What he can do is tremendous. 189 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: Saquon maybe taking some of that rushing upside, or really 190 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: he kind of took away from Saquon. Really, the question 191 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: here is is are we doing this again? Are we 192 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: doing this with Jalen Hurts? Is he too high? I 193 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: think he is. I'm not taking him as a six quarterback. 194 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: He's definitely not the quarterback that I'm like, Hey, I 195 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: didn't take Lamar Jack and I didn't take Drake may 196 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: Ooh I can get Jalen Hurts later. I'm a little 197 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: bit out on that. 198 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 3: Pat. 199 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: I think you're in agreement with me. You've got him 200 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: at quarterback ten. So I mean, if you get him 201 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: at quarterback ten, that's great, But consensus is saying that 202 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: ain't happening. Brothers. So where you at on Jalen Hurts? 203 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: You said he's a great runner, Welsh? Is he a 204 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 2: great runner? 205 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 3: So? 206 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: Four hundred and twenty one rushing yards last year the 207 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 2: lowest in any of his five seasons that he's been 208 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 2: a season long starter he had. After four seasons of 209 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: double digit touchdown runs, he only had eight last year, 210 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 2: and I believe four of them came in the first 211 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: three games, So the rushing production really kind of dried 212 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 2: up towards the end of the season. The Dallas Goddard 213 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: shovel pass sort of replace the tush push as the 214 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 2: preferred short yardage touchdown delivery mechanism for the Eagles, And like, 215 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: I don't know if we can count on a bevy 216 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: of tush push touchdowns anymore. Like what if the league 217 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 2: actually decides to start calling the Eagles for false starts 218 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: on these things, like they do pretty much on every 219 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: tousch push they ever run. So like, passing game production 220 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: we know isn't really going to be elite. He was 221 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 2: like barely over three thousand yards last year. Maybe things 222 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 2: improve a little bit, although it's hard to even though 223 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: they're adding Mackay Lemon and Eli Stowers. I don't know 224 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: if you're going to get a big spike in rushing 225 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: production if you're losing aj Brown, plus he's getting his 226 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: umpteenth new play caller. Just yeah, this is not a 227 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 2: bet I really want to make. 228 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: Now, Tara, are you making this bet? You are actually 229 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: higher than consensus? You got him at five. This is great. 230 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 1: We should have some discrepancy, We should have some conversation 231 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: around it. Me and Pat are kind of out on 232 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, but at five looks like you might still 233 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: be buying. 234 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure Chat will be coming at me a 235 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 3: little bit on this one. I am a Jalen Hurts defender. 236 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 3: I know I'm sorry, But the thing is is that 237 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 3: when I am comparing him to the quarterbacks where they're 238 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: going after him in consensus, that's where my concern is, 239 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 3: like how far can we push him down and feel comfortable? 240 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 3: Obviously I trust Josh Allen, Lamar, Jackson, Drake May, Joe Burrow, 241 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 3: And that's where I start to get that weird cutoff 242 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 3: of we're gonna have to see a healthy version of 243 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 3: James Daniels get back to that rookie level. Are we 244 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: going to be able to see that right off the bat? 245 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 3: Or is that going to take some time? Are we 246 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: going to see a little bit less of him on 247 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 3: the ground? Then you've got Justin Herbert. Do we see 248 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 3: increased usage on the ground from him, Jackson Dart, We've 249 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 3: got Matt Naggie, Kayleb Williams there run aggressively with the 250 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 3: run game there. There's lots of arguments for why the 251 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 3: guys behind him will definitely have potentially higher upside because 252 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 3: of their pass volume, but maybe not as safe of 253 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 3: an option. And when we look at Jalen Hurts, I 254 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 3: know exactly what I'm getting out of him on a 255 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 3: week to week basis, and that week to week security 256 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 3: is the thing that makes me give him that push 257 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 3: over some of those other guys there. Last year in 258 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: average fantasy points per game, for what it was worth 259 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 3: it it wasn't as bad as it seemed. It was 260 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 3: QB seven on the season. The previous year, with the 261 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 3: outrageous volume that Saquon had, I think that's very critical, 262 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 3: he was still QB six in average fantasy points per 263 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 3: game on the season. It's for me, it's the trust 264 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 3: in terms of the overall usage for him, the touchdown 265 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 3: upside that he does have in general, that makes him 266 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: the safer pick on a week to week basis there 267 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 3: for me. Aj Brown exiting could be a hindrance, but 268 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 3: it also might be a positive in terms of the 269 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 3: change in offensive coordinator and allowing for a new version 270 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: of this Eagles offense. We're going to get some changes 271 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 3: in terms of how they utilized Jalen Hurts, some a 272 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 3: different version of passing and a lot of that volume 273 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 3: is going to creep over to DeVante Smith and he 274 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: can handle it. Makai Lemon can be the clear wide 275 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 3: receiver too, multiple talented tight ends there, so I think 276 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 3: the core is still perfectly fine. Also with Saquon Barkley, 277 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 3: so I do give him that prential treatment there in 278 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 3: terms of a guy that is going to be on 279 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 3: the field fifteen plus games and I know for sure 280 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 3: what I am getting out of him. 281 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? This is a negative, But 282 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: like the thing about Jalen Hurts, because I agree with 283 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: what you said, like the guys below him. I mean, 284 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: I like Jene Daniels over him. But if you look 285 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: at the other guys below, like you really really trust, 286 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: like the Herbert or Dart or whatever above him, I 287 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: think you can make that argument. But I would use 288 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: I use Jalen Hurts as a bridge gap where I go, oh, 289 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is now the top guy. Cool, I'm waiting 290 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: because I don't trust the rest of the guys Like 291 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: He's the example of the reason why I now go 292 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: later quarterback because it's like I don't want to invest 293 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 1: in him. I don't agree. I don't really trust the 294 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: guys below him. Maybe Hurts does have the greatest upside 295 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: from an overall perspective, but it's like it's not going 296 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: to invest I'm not going to be the investment on it. 297 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: So he is a bridge gap to me being the 298 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: late quarterback guy and thinking about investing on the top end. 299 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: He's going to be very divisive this year. The final 300 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: quarterback we're going to talk about in this is Caleb Williams. 301 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: He is the top of tier three and is there 302 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: more upside on him? And this is a situation. Do 303 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: you find this interesting? Pat? You are team Caleb Williams 304 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: over Jalen Hurts. You've got Caleb at seven, so I 305 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: think you are saying that he is a little bit low. 306 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: Tara's got right at nine at consensus. So Pat talked 307 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: to us about Caleb over Jalen Hurts this year. 308 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: I just think he's so talented and it's not like me, 309 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 2: as a Packers fan, to be throwing bouquets at members 310 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: of the Chicago Bears. But Caleb averaged two hundred and 311 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 2: seventy five passing yards over his last six games, including playoffs, 312 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: and finished the year with two touchdown passes in seven 313 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: straight games, ran a little bit less as a sophomore, 314 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: had almost five hundred rushing yards as a rookie. There's 315 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: still knits to pick here. Only had a fifty eight 316 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: point one completion rate last year. And this guy is 317 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: like the slowest starter in the world. He comes out 318 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: ice cold for every game and then just gets hotter 319 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: the game goes on. But after taking a league high 320 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: sixty eight sacks as a rookie, cut it down to 321 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: twenty four last year. Passing yards per attempt went up 322 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: to six point nine. Still not great, but clear progress 323 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: over six point three. It is a rookie like Ben 324 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: Johnson is making him into a really good quarterback, and 325 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: the talent is just through the roof. Like I just 326 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: think the needle is still moving up on Caleb Williams 327 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: and we haven't seen anything close to the peak yet. 328 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: Ter when you see him as the top of Tier three, 329 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: do you think over the next couple months, whether it's 330 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's coach speak, it's going to be preseason, 331 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: it's more analysis, whatever, do you think there's room for 332 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams to jump into another tier? And or let's 333 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: say that you consider him the bottom of tier two. 334 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: Do you think there is any growth room for him 335 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: to potentially jump above a guy's like Herbert or Dart 336 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: or is it just very appropriately ranked where he's. 337 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 3: At and valued he should jump over Dart. I do 338 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 3: have him over Dart for what it's worth. I think 339 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 3: that even with coach speaking, everything that we know and 340 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 3: the beautiful highlight videos that we will get the amazing 341 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 3: past catchers that they have, it's probably gonna stay right there. 342 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 3: Maybe it scoots up one bit, but we're gonna get 343 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 3: more hype out of the justin Herbert and all of 344 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 3: that camp. So I think it'll stay where it is, 345 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 3: and I think it's a fine ranking for him. I 346 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 3: think Pat nailed. One of the things is that you know, 347 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 3: Ben Johnson is an excellent head coach. He does not 348 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 3: want Caleb Williams out there running for his life. So 349 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 3: I think that reduction in rushing upside that he clearly has. 350 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 3: I think it's here to stay, and because he is 351 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 3: such an excellent coach. I mean, we talked about it 352 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 3: when we were talking about Luthybird and Roma Doonsday in 353 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 3: the previous show. They're a run heavy team. They run 354 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 3: a lot and they're very balanced attack. They know how 355 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 3: to figure things out situationally when they do need to 356 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 3: push aggressive volume because they can because Caleb has that 357 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 3: capability to turn it on whenever he needs to and 358 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 3: when they don't have to be because it's not necessary. 359 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 3: And I think that results in overall he's going to 360 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 3: be fine. He's going to give you a clear top 361 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 3: ten end of season statline, but on a week to 362 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 3: week basis, it's going to potentially look like QB one 363 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 3: one week because they needed him to be that QB 364 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 3: one overall, and then QB twenty another week because they 365 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 3: didn't need him to do that. So I think there's 366 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 3: more volatility to his game and no issue with him, 367 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 3: no problem with him, no problem with the coaching, just 368 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 3: that they're such a very effective offense that you don't 369 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 3: have to push it so aggressively sometimes. So that's why 370 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 3: he's kind of like right there at me where I 371 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 3: feel good about him, but I don't know that on 372 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 3: a week to week basis, I would want to invest 373 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 3: that higher level traft pick into him. 374 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: And I think you answered the You did answer the 375 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 1: question I was going to kind of throw at you 376 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: when you see Pat having Caleb over Jalen Hurts. The 377 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: gap between Caleb Williams and Jalen Hurts for you, and 378 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: I think you answered it in saying that you believe 379 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: the cap on the rushing up side of Caleb is 380 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: here to stay and that would probably be the answer. 381 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 3: Correct. Yea, that is it? 382 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, quarterbacks, what do you guys think? 383 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: Feel free to drop the comments below on the top twelve. 384 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: There's plenty more over on the ranking side. We are 385 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: going to talk about tight ends, but first let's talk 386 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: about how you're going to draft those quarterbacks with the 387 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: draft simulator. The draft simulator lets you crush full mockx 388 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: in minutes with absolutely no waiting between picks. So guess 389 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: what if you want to be the hypocrite like me 390 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: and Tara are when we don't want to take the 391 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: high quarterbacks but we just cannot help ourselves and we've 392 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: got to go and draft to Lamar Jackson, or we 393 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: got to invest in maybe a Joe Burrow, you can 394 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: see what your draft looks like. 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No big shockers there, 414 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,239 Speaker 1: but Colson Lovelin is joining at number three in the 415 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: top top one tier. Going to Tier two. This is 416 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: tight ends four through eight, We've got Tyler Warren, Tucker Kraft, 417 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: Harold Fan and Junior, Sam Laporta and Kyle Pitts. And 418 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: then rounding it out in tier three is nine through 419 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: twelve Aronna Goadsten, Dalton Kinkaid, Travis Kelce and Isaiah Likely. 420 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: So is their debate on the top end of our 421 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: tight ends? Is there a close debate? And I'm gonna 422 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: kind of change a question, just a tiny tiny bit, Tarah. 423 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: We're going to start with you simply because there is 424 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: a debate with you two on who the number one is, 425 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: so that makes it really cool. But I want to 426 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: throw like Colson Lovelin in there, like does he belong 427 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: in the discussion? So for this experiment, Tara, you are 428 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: with consensus. You've got McBride at one, You've got Bowers 429 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: at two. I'd love for your take on those. But 430 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: do you think Colson Lovelan belongs in this discussion as well? 431 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 3: He does one hundred percent, and quite frankly, he could 432 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 3: be the preferred target for me because of him having 433 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 3: the potential exact same upside as Tredy McBride and Rock Bowers, 434 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 3: but a little bit of a discount there in terms 435 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 3: of eight EP, so I think he belongs there. I 436 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 3: think it's an appropriate tier and he could legitimately be 437 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 3: the first look in that Bears offense there. So I 438 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 3: think he belongs because we've got a nice group here 439 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 3: with McBride and ours in Colson Loveland here of guys 440 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 3: that are either the first look or potentially the first look. 441 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: I think that's the key there that maybe separates him 442 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 3: is you know, do we know for sure, like we 443 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 3: know that Trey McBride is going to be the target 444 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 3: hog despite all the talent around him in that offense, 445 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 3: we know that Brock Bowers is the first look with 446 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 3: the lack of clear addition that they made in terms 447 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 3: of investing at a wide receiver one. So maybe that's 448 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 3: the gap there that gives McBride and Bowers a little 449 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 3: bit of an edge over Colson Loveland. 450 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: What is the separator for you that put McBride over Bowers? Again, 451 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: that is a consensus rank, very very close. You made 452 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: the case on them over love them, But what is 453 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: the separator that gets McBride over Bowers for you? 454 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 3: It's Jacoby Brissettett is the separator. Oh god, it was. 455 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 3: It was a glorious twenty twenty five with Jacoby Brispette, 456 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 3: especially in DFS. It was just the volume and that 457 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 3: the stack with him and then Michael Wilson. My god, 458 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 3: it was just incredible. I missed those days. If they 459 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 3: did not draft Carson Beck, I would just be pro. 460 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 3: Let's take Trey McBride in the first round. Let's do it, 461 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 3: let's go all in. But there is the fear that 462 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 3: at some point they do make that quarterback chain. Totally 463 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 3: me back there. But yeah, Jacoby Brissett and what he 464 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 3: was able to do in terms of providing that volume, 465 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 3: throwing forty plus times a game with ease, and then 466 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 3: the touchdown opportunities to Trey McBride. We might have like 467 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 3: a little bit of regression because we have the addition 468 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 3: of Jeremiah Love who can obviously contribute in the red zone, 469 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: but really the defense is not great. They're just going 470 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 3: to be chasing points and running from behind. We know 471 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 3: we can push volumes. So yeah, thank you Jacoby Brissett 472 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 3: in the volume that you finally unlocked for Trey McBride 473 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 3: in terms of touchdowns. That's it now. 474 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: If Itzi you are the flip you went Brock Bowers. 475 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: As you're tied end one, so that is off of consensus. 476 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: McBride is number two. You're welcome to talk about the 477 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: level and stuff. I think we hit it though, but 478 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: I'm really curious what is your separator of Bowers over McBride. 479 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 2: Cardinals have the highest passing rate in the league last year, 480 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 2: but they just drafted Jeremiah Love third overall, Like they're 481 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 2: they're not going to have the highest passing rate in 482 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 2: the league this year, and they might not be top 483 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 2: ten even though the defense is bad, and they might 484 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 2: be forced to point chase a little bit more than 485 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: they like. So there's that that they're going to pass less. 486 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 2: They also want to get Marvin Harrison Junior going, which 487 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 2: might cut into Trey McBride's target load. And they found 488 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: that they had a pretty good receiver in Michael Wilson 489 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 2: last year. So I just I'd be pretty surprised if 490 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: Trey McBride was able to match the one hundred and 491 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 2: twenty six catches in twelve hundred and thirty nine yards 492 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 2: he had last year, whereas I think Bowers could hit 493 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 2: those numbers easily this year. Like Bowers had one hundred 494 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: and twelve catches and just under twelve hundred yards as 495 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 2: a rookie. And you know, last year just a huge nightmare. 496 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 2: He got hurt, the offense was kind of a train 497 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: wreck with just the quarterback situation, the coaching situation. But 498 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 2: Bowers gets a huge play caller upgrade with Clint Kubiak. 499 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: Eventually he'll get a quarterback upgrade with Fernando Mendoza, and 500 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: hopefully Cousins won't be terrible when he sits in for 501 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 2: the first few weeks. And as of now, Jalen Naylor 502 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: is the raiders best wide receiver, like Bowers is going 503 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 2: to get in all you can eat target some morgas 504 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 2: Bard this season. 505 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: Buffet buffet time at tight ends an interesting one here 506 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: versus consensus. We were going to do kind of a debate, 507 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: but let's just focus on this player. Where you've got 508 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 1: Laporta comes in at seven, Kyle Pits at eight, but 509 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: both of you have Kyle Pitts at seven, so you're 510 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: both Pits over Sam Laporta. Are we finally across our 511 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: fingers here? Are we finally comfortable with Kyle Pitts, Tara, 512 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: You've got him at seven, Pits over Laporta, doesn't need 513 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: to be the discussion, but your level of comfort finally 514 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: with Kyle Pitts as a starting tight end, yeah it is. 515 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 3: I mean Kevin Stefanski and drives me absolutely crazy. But 516 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 3: the one thing that he does very proven at this 517 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,239 Speaker 3: point through all throughout his entire tenure at Cleveland was 518 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 3: throwing at one of the highest clips in the NFL 519 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 3: to the time end position. And you could look back 520 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 3: and say, oh, well, I mean if you had Harold 521 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 3: Vanna Junior, you would throw it that much to him too. Yeah, 522 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 3: he was doing it with anybody and everybody. So at 523 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 3: one point it was Austin Hooper and Harrison Bryant. He 524 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 3: loves a system that targets tight ends rapidly, and now 525 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 3: he has got Kyle Pitts. Why would you not just 526 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 3: send targets this way? So I do think that the 527 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 3: King who was promised is finally going to get the 528 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 3: workload that he deserves there and the value that we 529 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 3: are getting for him, because there's a stop point at 530 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 3: which he can't go past in terms of his ADP 531 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 3: just because of the priority that other guys have over him. 532 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 3: Very understandably, they're the trust level issues that we have 533 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 3: at the quarterback issues in Atlanta. But at the end 534 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 3: of the day, targets are heading his way, and I 535 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 3: think tight end seven is a very good spot for him. 536 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,959 Speaker 3: So that's that's the little sweet spot for him. I'm 537 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 3: very much, so cautiously optimistic in on Kyle Pitts because 538 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 3: of that coaching staff change there. 539 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: Fits. Is Kyle Pits the prince that was promised? Or 540 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: will he be a nice king? What do you think, Prince? 541 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: That's still pretty good? 542 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 4: Right? 543 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: I mean, i'm game references. I'm just doing the iteration here. 544 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: King Prince doesn't matter. You trust Coppits. 545 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, Tara nailed this, like Kevin Stefanski is a friend 546 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: of tight ends everywhere. And Pitt's averaged six point nine 547 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 2: targets a game last year that could actually go up 548 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 2: this year. Like, don't I don't necessarily think that Pitts 549 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 2: topped out it what eighty eight catches and nine hundred 550 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 2: and twenty eight yards last year, Like, I think he 551 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 2: could hit a thousand if things break right for him. 552 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,959 Speaker 2: Whereas Sam Laporte has averaged five point three targets over 553 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 2: the last two years. You know, he's a really good player. 554 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: He can still turn that into mid range tight end 555 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 2: one value. I think that sort of target load, but 556 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 2: I just don't think the target outlook is as bright 557 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 2: for Laporte as it is for Pitts. 558 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: Okay, one more, one, last one, we're gonna do a 559 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: quick hitter. Travis Kelcey. Travis Kelcey comes in at eleven. 560 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: Are we investing in Travis kelce this year? 561 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 3: Or I fought so hard to move Travis kelce further 562 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 3: down in rankings and I couldn't justify it because of 563 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 3: the guys that are behind him, just not having even 564 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 3: anywhere near the volume that even the old, very elderly 565 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 3: version of Travis Kelcey is going to get. He's still 566 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 3: going to more than likely be the second look in 567 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 3: that offense. The receptions are going to be there. You know, 568 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 3: we've got two years in a row now that we've 569 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 3: had you know, just over eight hundred yards three to 570 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 3: five touchdowns, but the receptions are pulling him through. So 571 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 3: from a tight end perspective, it does make him a 572 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 3: safer pick than a lot of those guys that are 573 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 3: sitting behind him and are potentially the third or maybe 574 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 3: even fourth look on their team there, So that that 575 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 3: gives him the level of security. But quite frankly, I 576 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 3: mean it's just it's a safe pick. You're not really 577 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 3: getting a massive upside again because I don't think the 578 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 3: touchdowns are really going to be there. So I'd prefer 579 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 3: to invest a little bit earlier in one of the 580 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 3: higher upside players rather than get to that point. 581 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: FITZI, you said the same thing. You want to have 582 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: your higher end tight end, So is Travis Kelcey's someone 583 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: that you are going to even consider investing in if 584 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: you miss out on some of the top guys. 585 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 2: Look, I really want brock Bowers this year. If I 586 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: can't get him, I really want Colston Loveland not I'll 587 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 2: try to get Tyler Warren as a fallback if not 588 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts. But if I can't get any of those four, 589 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 2: I might consider Travis kelce if he we know he's 590 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: gonna slip later in drafts and the efficiency has nose dived. 591 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if like there's any chance of anything 592 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 2: close to double digit touchdowns this year, but who knows, 593 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 2: maybe there's like one last touchdown spike for old Travis, 594 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 2: So you know, if things don't work out with my 595 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 2: high end tight end targets. Travis Kelcey is a viable fallback. 596 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: I think that's interesting how you were saying that. I 597 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is a note Travis Kelcey, whatsoever. 598 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: You're just like, I want this guy. I want this guy. 599 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,239 Speaker 1: I want this guy. But you would potentially invest in 600 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: Travis kelce But would you, guys? What's your quarterback? What's 601 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: your tight end range? Some of your favorite players, you 602 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: guys can be a part of the conversation. 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