WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 75 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.680 Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:06.359 you know. This is a compilation episode. So every episode 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.360 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:13.240 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:15.760 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:17.680 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:19.520 there's got to be nothing new here for you, but 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:27.400 you can make your own decisions. Hello, this is it 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:32.440 could happen here, and I am Sharne and today it's 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:35.960 just me. It's me and I am alone, So that 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.360 means I am probably going to tell you about some 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.600 fucked up shit that happened in the Middle East, which 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:45.400 is exactly what I'm about to do. I just think 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:48.640 some things are purposely underreported, and even when they are 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:52.440 seldom reported about, it's always a bit skewed and biased. 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.480 So I just try to draw attention to certain countries 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:57.560 and their people as best as I can because of this, 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:00.800 and today I think we're do you for an update 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:06.520 on Palestine. Israel continues to be humanize Palestinians daily and blatantly, 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.520 and it's not just through murdering them. Last year under 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.680 new Israeli restrictions on foreign entry into the West Bank. 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:18.720 Foreigners romantically involved with Palestinians must declare their relationship to 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:23.240 the occupying Israeli government. Yes, you have to tell them 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:26.720 if you are involved with the Palestinians. Why. I don't know, 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.240 because they're treated as less than human and this is 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.280 one of many laws that deny Palestinians of basic human 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:35.720 rights and keep them under apartheid rule. I want to 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.160 talk about all that's happened in just these first few 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:41.840 months of twenty twenty three, because this cycle of violence 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:45.360 in Jerusalem and the West Bank in particular has suddenly 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.280 surged to levels that we have not seen in years. 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.520 As of this recording on March seventh, at least sixty 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:56.280 six Palestinians have been killed by Israeli forces and settlers 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.920 since the start of twenty twenty three, and at least 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:03.360 seventeen of those killed have been children. For comparison, in 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.480 twenty twenty two, which was the deadliest year in the 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:10.360 West Bank in decades, forty eight Palestinians were killed in 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:15.600 the combined months of January, February, March and April. The 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:18.520 deaths are increasing day by day and the rest seemed 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:21.240 to be a stop to them at all. Twenty twenty 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.080 two saw the highest number of civilians killed by Israeli 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:28.079 security forces in the past seventeen years, and the highest 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:33.080 number of Israelis killed since twenty sixteen. Renewed violence flared 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.960 up between Palestine and Israel and January of this year 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.480 for many reasons, and it continues to build and intensify 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:43.920 after a cascade of concerning events. And before we jump 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:47.320 into those events that happened in January and onward, I 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.280 think we need to look back on twenty twenty two 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:52.400 in order to understand this a bit better and to 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.960 hopefully provide some context. So let's take a look at 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:59.520 twenty twenty two and how we got here. We are 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:01.480 going to be focusing on the West Bank with the 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.480 majority of the data in this episode, in particular, the 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:08.280 one tomorrow will be more broad. I'm going to explain 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.040 a little bit about what the West Bank even is, 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.960 just for some more context. The West Bank is a 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:17.120 landlocked territory near the coast of the Mediterranean in Western 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.519 Asia that forms the main bulk of the Palestinian territories. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.360 It is bordered by Jordan and the Dead Sea to 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.640 the east and by Israel to the southwest and north. 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:31.200 The West Bank includes East Jerusalem. It's been under Israeli 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:35.000 military occupation since nineteen sixty seven, and its area is 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:39.400 split into one hundred and sixty five Palestinian quote unquote islands. 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:43.320 These islands are under total or partial civil administration by 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:47.960 the Palestinian National Authority or the PNA or PA. There 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:51.040 are also two hundred and thirty Israeli settlements into which 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:56.080 israel law is being pipelined. The West Bank initially emerged 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:59.920 as a Jordanian occupied territory after the nineteen forty eight 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:03.680 Arab Israeli War, before being in xed outright by Jordan 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.400 in nineteen fifty, and it was given its name during 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.120 this time based on its location on the western bank 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:13.000 of the Jordan River. This annexation was widely considered to 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.359 be illegal and was only recognized by Iraq, Pakistan and 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:21.200 the UK. The territory remained under Jordanian rule until nineteen 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.479 sixty seven, when it was captured and occupied by Israel 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.880 during the Sixth Day War. The Oslo Accords, which were 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:31.800 signed in nineteen ninety three between the Palestinian Liberation Organization 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.880 and Israel created administrative districts with varying levels of Palestinian 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.760 authority in specific areas. In the West Bank, there was 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.400 Area A, which is administered exclusively by the PA, there 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.080 is Area B, which is administered by both the P 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.960 and A and Israel. And then there's Area SEA, which 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:52.600 is administered exclusively by Israel. And this Area C, which 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.880 is controlled exclusively by Israel, accounts for over sixty percent 0:04:56.960 --> 0:05:00.680 of the West Bank's territory. Twenty twenty two was the 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:04.560 deadliest year for West Bank Palestinians in nearly two decades. 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.520 Israeli forces killed more Palestinians in the West Bank in 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.719 twenty twenty two than in any other year. The United 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:16.240 Nations began systematically recording Palestinian fatalities in two thousand and five, 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.680 and they started doing this after the last major Palestinian 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:24.880 uprising aka the Second Intifada that lasted five years. And 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.040 knowing that, I want you to keep in mind that unfortunately, 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.440 the number of Palestinians that have been killed by the 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.120 IDF is far greater than some of the numbers I'm 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.360 going to say in this episode. And again that is 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:39.000 because I am focusing particularly on the West Bank. I 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:42.000 want to talk about Israel's twelve month crackdown that has 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:45.240 been happening in the West Bank. Nearly twelve months ago, 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.680 Israel begana has become a year long violent crackdown in 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:52.680 the West Bank. Israel last year prompted a sweeping Israeli 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:57.240 military campaign that they called Operation Breakwater beginning March of 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:01.240 two and twenty two. It was created after attacks occurred 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:06.880 by Palestinians against Israeli settlers. Since then, Operation Breakwater has 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:10.560 conducted nearly nightly IDF raids in the West Bank, which 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.680 of course causes heightened friction between the IDF and the 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:18.760 Palestinian population. So far, Israeli security forces have made over 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:22.920 two thousand arrests, and that's way too big of a number, 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.120 just to give you an idea of the terrifying scale 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:30.320 of this operation. Operation Breakwater is the biggest IDF operation 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:33.320 in the West Bank since the Second Intifaba that I 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:36.520 mentioned earlier that lasted from two thousand to two thousand 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:40.000 and five. Since the start of this operation last year, 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:44.040 nearly every day Israel has conducted raids in the West Bank, 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.680 which is part of the Palestinian territory, which encompasses the 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:51.000 Godza strip in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.000 this whole territory has been illegally occupied by Israel since 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:58.159 nineteen sixty seven. In spite of this, because Israel does 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.000 whatever the fuck it wants, because it's already founded upon 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:05.000 existing illegally in the first place, thousands of Palestinians, many 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.360 of them young, have been arrested, and nearly every week 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:13.080 more Palestinians are being killed. Last year, this all resulted 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.600 in the highest cumulative death toll in the West Bank 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:19.600 since two thousand and four. Palestinian rights groups and UN 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.400 experts have said that the bloodshed is due to Israel's 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.440 excessive use of force and open fire rules during near 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:29.320 daily military operations, as well as rising assaults by settlers 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.480 in the West Bank, where again Palestinians are living under 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:37.760 illegal Israeli occupation. Israel justified their intensifying violence because of 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:41.600 the fatal attacks on Israelis by Palestinian militants, which also 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:45.680 spiked last year, which is also very bad, but blaming 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.400 the people you've been oppressing for nearly a century for 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:53.080 being angry and fighting back people without an army faced 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.680 against one of the most powerful armies in the world. 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.400 It just does not sit right with me. In twenty 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.800 twenty two, Israeli security forces killed at least one hundred 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:06.360 and fifty two Palestinians in the West Bank and predominantly 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:10.920 Palestinian East Jerusalem, compared with seventy five Palestinians in twenty 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:14.200 twenty one. These are figures provided by the UN Office 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:19.040 for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs or OTCHA. Four Palestinians 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:24.240 in the West Bank were killed by Israeli settlers, not soldiers. Settlers, 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:27.800 settlers that have been emboldened and even encouraged in their 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:31.440 hate and violence by the Israeli far right, and the 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:34.920 Israeli far right is basically the Israeli government at this point. 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:37.920 And we're going to get into some of the extremes 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.839 that these settlers go through in their hate and their 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:45.240 violence more tomorrow, but for now, let's focus on twenty 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:49.640 twenty two. Most of the Palestinian deaths occurred during Israeli 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.480 military raids and clashes in the West Bank cities of 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:56.280 Jenin and Nablus. More than half of the Palestinians who 0:08:56.320 --> 0:09:00.240 were murdered were under the age of twenty five. They 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:02.760 never even had a chance to live their lives with 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.760 their families and their loved ones. Each one of these 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:09.040 individuals that were killed have people mourning them and missing 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.280 them every day, and I never want anyone to forget that. 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:17.319 Among those killed last year were also US citizens El Jazeero, 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:21.520 journalists Sharin Abu Akhle, and seventy eight year old Omar Assad, 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:25.600 And because of their US citizenship, their deaths gained rare 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:30.800 worldwide attention and briefly sharpened international criticism of Israel. Sharine, 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.200 if you remember, was shot in the head while wearing 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.520 a press vest. She was there as a reporter doing 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:40.360 her job. No violence was taking place around her, she 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:44.720 was targeted and killed. Israel says she was probably killed 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:49.640 by a soldier's gunfire unintentionally, and that was that. The 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:53.120 world moved on. I did an episode last year about 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:57.760 Sharene Aboahle and how Israel murdered her in broad daylight, 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.680 So if you guys want to revisit that, that is there, 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:03.480 back to the episode. I don't want us to forget 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:07.520 that this data is regarding the West Bank. Only hundreds 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.840 of Palestinians die at the hands of Israel's terrorist organization, 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:14.000 that they call an army every year. In May of 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:17.079 twenty twenty one, if you can remember that far back, 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.600 at least two hundred Palestinians were killed in a week 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:25.720 of Israeli airstrikes, just one week, and the deaths included 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:29.280 fifty nine children and thirty five women, with nearly thirteen 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:33.360 hundred people wounded. Women and children made up nearly half 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:38.000 of the casualties. Fifty nine children, fifty nine children that 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.800 were just taken with families that will never be the same. 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:43.400 I just want people to remember these things when I 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:47.800 mentioned numbers, that each number is an actual living child 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:51.760 or person. In twenty twenty two, in a statement to 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:56.360 The Washington Post, Israel's military said that Israeli soldiers used 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:01.320 live fire when quote necessary during counter terrorisumectivities in response 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:06.520 to quote violent riots, which often include explosive devices, molotop cocktails, 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:10.599 and rocks hurled at the idef soldiers and Israeli civilians. 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.520 Are you kidding me? One of the most powerful and 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.480 supported armies in the world is saying that it's killing 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:22.760 people in response to rocks being thrown at them. Armed 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:26.200 and protected soldiers covered in swat gear with all the 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:29.599 weapons they could ever fucking dream of fighting against the 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.800 people without an army at all, blaming them in an 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:37.840 official statement to the Washington Post for throwing rocks. I mean, 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.720 just just get the fuck out of here. The idf 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:44.160 are all fucking clowns. And maybe I shouldn't be cursing 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.559 and I should pretend to be professional, but they make 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:49.560 me fucking mad, And I think we should all be 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.200 fucking mad because I don't think it's fair, and I 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.280 know life isn't built to be fair, but to terrorize 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.840 and genocided population, drive them into a corner and then 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.640 blame them for having the audacity for fighting back and 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:05.319 the only ways accessible to them is fucking ludicrous. You 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.679 can't both sides a conflict when one of those sides 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.160 has one of the most advanced and supported armies in 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.800 the world that oppresses the other side that has no 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:17.319 army and no support of any kind, a side who 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:21.280 has rocks in their hands resorting to violence because absolutely 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:24.440 nothing and no one is helping them. A total of 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.280 two hundred and twenty four Palestinians were killed in twenty 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.160 twenty two, including the forty nine people that I mentioned 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.480 earlier that were murdered during a three day Israeli assault 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:38.200 on the besieged Gaza Strip, Seventeen were children. And I'm 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:43.079 emphasizing this because Palestinian children have started keeping goodbye letters 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.960 in their pockets in case they're killed by the Israeli army. 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.360 No child should have to live in fear that they 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.480 might be killed at any moment, but that's the reality 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:56.640 for Palestinian children. Nearly every day, Palestinians wake up to 0:12:56.800 --> 0:13:00.319 news that the Israeli military has killed yet another Palestinian. 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:06.240 This daily violence against Palestinians has traumatized generations of Palestinian children, 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.520 and their parents have no way to protect them. Many 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:11.760 of the casualties in the West Bank in twenty twenty 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.000 two were young Palestinians who have only ever known military 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.800 occupation and the oppression of the Israeli government. The West 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.360 Bank also has to deal with the repressive politics of 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:25.160 the Romala based Palestinian Authority, the PA, which was set 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:28.240 up as a caretaker government three decades ago and is 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:32.280 now widely unpopular among Palestinians. And I'll get into this 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:37.240 more after a quick break, So brb Okay, we're back. 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.840 As I mentioned earlier, the West Bank has to deal 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:45.720 with repressive politics of the Romala based Palestinian Authority, which 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.720 was set up three decades ago and is now widely 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:53.280 unpopular among Palestinians. A spokesperson from the Palestinian rights group 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:57.079 Al Huch said people are very, very fed up. Whether 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:01.000 it's in Jerusalem or Jenin or Nablus. The last twenty 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.840 years have not shown any improvements in the situation. This 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:08.520 spokesperson spoke only on the condition of anonymity for fear 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:12.640 of reprisal by Israeli security forces, because the Israeli security 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:17.160 forces raided the organization's headquarters in Romola last August. The 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:21.200 spokesperson explained that quote the near daily raids in areas 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:24.040 under control of the PA showed that the sovereignty of 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.400 the PA does not exist. So they're saying that the 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:31.960 Palestinian Authority is basically useless. If these Israeli raids are 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:35.560 happening in areas that are supposedly under control or quote 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.640 care of the PA, then what the fuck are they 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:43.200 even Therefore toward Wensland, the UN Special Coordinator for the 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.840 Middle East Peace Process, told the Washington Post last year, quote, 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.640 we have a new dynamic in the West Bank and 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:53.360 around Jerusalem with a quote new generation of Israelis and 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:57.680 Palestinians in conflict, there is an urgent need to de escalate. 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:02.360 He also cited the quote tension and so called friction zones, 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:06.160 which are areas where Israeli settlements continued to encroach on 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:10.800 Palestinian lands and where violence is mounting, probably in part 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.480 due to the frustration with the lack of action by 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:17.480 the Palestinian authority. Twenty twenty two also saw the emergence 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:21.280 of two new Palestinian militant groups, thee Genin Battalion and 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.880 the Lions Den, both led by disaffected young men with 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:30.480 local support networks. Meanwhile, Israel's military has repeatedly declined to 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:34.400 provide the number of internal investigations they supposedly opened last 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:38.720 year regarding their misconduct related to the Palestinian deaths. In 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.960 September of last year, Israel announced the results of its 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.320 inquiry into the death of Sharin abu Akhle, who again 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.360 was shot in the head while covering a military raid 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.120 near Jenin last May. The IDF said that a quote 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.800 found a high possibility that Miss abu Akhle was accidentally 0:15:55.920 --> 0:16:00.640 killed by IDF gunfire towards suspects identified as armed Palestinian 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:04.280 gunmen during an exchange of fire, though it has not 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:08.080 released any evidence whatsoever showing the presence of gunmen in 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:12.040 the area. An investigation by The Post contradicted the IDF's 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.040 claim that there was an exchange of fire in the 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:18.840 minutes before Abu Akle was killed, and surprising absolutely no one, 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:23.000 the IDF said it would not pursue criminal charges against 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:26.560 its soldiers. No one is being held accountable for the 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:31.880 killing of Palestinian life, including Palestinian children. Israel has continued 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:34.360 to operate as though they have immunity, which in a 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.400 way they do thanks to the United States, who does 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.800 nothing but give Israel more money and weapons and good press. 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:46.280 Even more concerning, far right politician Itamar Ben Gevid, who 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:50.680 was Israel's new national security minister, has proposed giving police 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:54.800 and soldiers wider latitude to use live ammunition and putting 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.920 laws in place that would shield them from criminal prosecution 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:01.600 for killing or injuring Palestine. And this should be a 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:06.000 red flag for everybody. The other Hawk spokesperson said that 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.000 many of those killed in Israeli raids last year appeared 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:13.720 to be either bystanders or victims of excessive force. Let's 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.280 not forget that they also killed members of the press 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.359 who clearly wear press vests in a moment where no 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:23.520 violence was ever taking place, just a camera and reporters 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:27.040 trying to raise awareness that the crimes that Israel commits. 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.800 An early December, Israeli fire killed a teenage girl in 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:35.360 Jenin who was on her roof as a raid unfolded nearby. 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.680 Days earlier, Israeli forces fatally shot a sixteen year old 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:43.320 boy who was throwing stones at a checkpoint outside Ramula. 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.720 We're getting to the end here, so let's take our 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:50.480 last little break and we'll be right back, and we're 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:55.880 back talking about how the IDF shoots Palestinians as though 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.960 they're basically playing a video game. They had shot a 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:02.720 teenage girl and a sixteen year old boy, and there 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:06.440 are many disturbing videos of idea of soldiers shooting Palestinians 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.280 like they are playing a video game. There's one video 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:12.960 in particular that I'm thinking about that is so fucking 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:16.600 disgusting where one soldier is crouching down and aiming his 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:19.520 gun at a Palestinian who was hiding behind a dumpster. 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.600 I know that the Palestinian is hiding behind a dumpster, 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:25.480 because the soldier says something to the effect of what 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.960 does he think he's doing behind that dumpster? And then 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:33.320 the soldier shoots and jumps up in pure elation, cheering 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:37.240 for himself because he shot this person. There's another soldier 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:39.280 in the frame next to him who seems to be 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:41.919 more aware of the camera that is recording them, who 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:46.280 keeps telling his annoying murderer friend to we professional instead 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.159 of jumping up and down like he just scored a 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:50.800 point in a game, because that is all this is 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:54.720 to them. There is much more evidence of this infuriating 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.000 and horrific attitude and culture of the IDF and Abby 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:02.320 Martin's two nineteen films Gaza Fights for Freedom, which I've 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:06.359 probably already recommended a million times and will continue to recommend. 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:10.880 It is free on YouTube tour Wensland. We mentioned earlier 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:15.520 the UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process said, quote, 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:19.320 the continued killings of Palestinians by Israeli security forces an 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.040 incidents where they did not appear to present an eminent 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:25.640 threat to life are disturbing. He went on to say 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.720 that quote, I am increasingly concerned by the fragility of 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:33.760 the current political and security dynamics, particularly in the occupied 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:38.480 West Bank including East Jerusalem. Vulker Turk, the UN High 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:42.040 Commissioner for Human Rights, said, for this violence to end, 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:46.000 the occupation must end on all sides. There are people 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:49.679 who know this. The violence of last year reflects a 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:54.119 dangerous mix of on the ground and generational changes, and 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:57.880 this could only escalate further as Israel's mostly far right 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:03.199 government becomes more far right because Jewish supremacists who have 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:08.119 incited violence against Palestinians were recently sworn into office, including 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:13.280 Israel's aforementioned new Minister of National Security. And he's just 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:16.480 one of the many cogs in the machine of Israel 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:21.040 being controlled by far right terrorists. And yes, to me, 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:24.879 they are terrorists because literally everything they do was either 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:28.679 a crime or a crime against humanity, regardless. At the 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:32.240 end of last year, Israel's new government was sworn into office. 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:37.920 It's nationalist, exclusionist and far far right. It's the most 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:42.240 extreme Israeli government in the nation's history. Benjamin and Yahoo, 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:46.680 who's already the country's longest serving prime minister, is at 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:50.359 the helm of the country for the sixth time, and 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:53.080 this time he's assembled the most far right cabinet in 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:57.399 Israel's history, with the most notable posts given to ultra nationalists, 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.760 one of them being the person we mentioned at tamar Ben, 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:03.720 the new Minister of National Security aka a position that 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:07.960 oversees the police. There's also Bezalel Simotric, who will have 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:11.160 significant power over Israeli settlements. In addition to his role 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:15.080 as Finance Minister. The government has promised to expand those 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:19.160 settlements those already illegal settlements. The members of this new 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:23.119 coalition have also made extensive comments denigrating the queer community. 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:27.040 They've also called for stricter definitions of who even qualifies 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:31.440 as Jewish. In making its vision abundantly clear, the government 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:34.639 released policy guidelines at the end of September, announcing the 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:39.119 Jewish people's quote exclusive and inalienable right to all parts 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.280 of the land of Israel. Toward the end of January, 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:45.920 the policies of the Enyaho's newly swording government coalition brought 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:50.000 out about eighty thousand protesters in Tel Aviv. The protesters 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:53.040 were largely focused on the government's proposals to overhaul the 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.440 judicial system, which could weaken the country's democracy and separation 0:21:56.480 --> 0:22:00.800 of powers quote unquote democracy yet right, But the effects 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:03.679 of the policies on the one point six million Palestinian 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:06.760 citizens of Israel and the five point two million Palestinians 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:09.800 living in the occupied territories, all of these effects are 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:12.760 going to be catastrophic and only building upon years of 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:17.840 policies that Israeli human rights organizations say constitute crimes against humanity. 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:22.280 The human rights defenders and experts in Israeli politics emphasize 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:25.040 that this government is not a departure from the previous ones. 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:29.160 And yes, it is Netanyahu's sixth time leading the country, 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:33.280 but instead of being a new government, it's instead a 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:36.520 culmination of Israeli politics that are only drifting farther and 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:40.159 farther to the right, and then decades longer of policies 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:43.280 that amount to defacto annexation of the occupied West Bank 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:48.480 and policies of Jewish supremacy. What's different now, however, is 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:51.440 how clearly these ideas are stated in the new government's 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:55.280 coalition guidelines by prominent ministers of the fundamentals of how 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:58.679 the country runs. This time, it is clear it is 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:02.159 written in the guideline. There's no longer subtlety to their hate. 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:05.560 It is in writing. The new Israeli government is somewhat 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:08.760 of a turn from the brief centrist government of last year, 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:11.720 but it's still seeking to implement policies that are anti 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:15.400 Palestinian and anti liberal. But again, it is certainly not 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:19.320 the first Israeli government to do these things. The executive 0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:23.840 director of the Israeli Watchdog Bitsalem again apologize, probably must 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:27.359 pronounced that said, it's key not to pretend, as many 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:30.199 seem to already be doing, that it'll somehow be a 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:34.320 sudden departure from Israeli quote unquote democracy. What worries me 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:37.040 is that even this level of clarity will not be 0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:41.640 sufficient to trigger an adequate international response. And the new 0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:44.520 Israeli government is shaping up just to be extreme as 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:48.680 we anticipated. Israel's parliamentary system is made up of many 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:53.040 fragmented parties, and it's slowly been collapsing, and there's been 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:56.800 turmoil and whatever, because there have been five national elections 0:23:56.840 --> 0:24:01.119 since twenty nineteen. The quote unquote change government in twenty 0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:04.520 twenty one brought together opposing parties last year to Auston 0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:08.160 n Yahoo finally once and for all, right, But that 0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:11.360 fell apart last summer, and in the ensuing elections, nan 0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:14.920 Yahoo built a coalition of ultra orthodox and religious Zionist 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:18.000 parties that returned him to power, leading to an even 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:21.679 more extreme government. So even they tried to get rid 0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:25.480 of him, but he came back worse than ever. And 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:29.240 so this extreme government is already acting in extreme ways 0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:33.240 and again the new government's ministers have made long standing 0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:36.679 attacks on the queer community, as well as religious freedom 0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:40.040 and Israeli in Palestinian civil society, as well as who 0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:43.399 can call themselves Jewish. Above all, there are going to 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:46.840 be drastic implications for Palestinians living in the occupied West 0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:50.439 Bank and for the civil liberties of Israeli citizens, mostly 0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:55.360 because Nenyahoo's internal coalition negotiations have brought settlers into key 0:24:55.560 --> 0:24:59.760 ministerial posts, and only days into the government being sworn in, 0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:03.120 there have been already multiple signs and signals of how 0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:07.800 these personalities are going to rule. Justice Minister Yarev Levin 0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:11.600 has introduced legislation that would weaken judicial review and the 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:15.560 power of israel Supreme Court to strike down legislation. Another 0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:19.480 proposal would revamp and politicize the country's longstanding process for 0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:22.760 selecting judges. And of course we can't forget about the 0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:27.160 fucking new National Security Minister aka to Marvin Gavide, who 0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:30.880 is part of the Jewish Power Party. His political ideas 0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:35.160 are inspired by the late radical iconoclass Rabbi Mayor Kahane 0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:38.800 Bengavie has stepped into a role that is basically tailor 0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:41.840 made to oversee the police both within Israel and the 0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:47.000 occupied West Bank, and in early January, he on somehow 0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:51.400 legal grounds directed the police to tear down any Palestinian 0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:55.479 flag in public spaces. And then there's also Finance Minister 0:25:55.840 --> 0:26:00.120 Bezalel Summatric. He is the head of the Religious Zionism Party, 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:04.560 and he's also a settler whose anti gay rhetoric is prolific, 0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:08.160 to say the least. He has already seized customs revenues 0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:11.000 that belong to the Palestinian Authority, and he's called the 0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:15.000 Palestinian Authority a terror abetting body that he thinks should fall. 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:18.720 He also holds newly created authorities that give him oversight 0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:21.320 of the West Bank occupation through a role crafted for 0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:24.920 him in the Defense Ministry. So they're essentially just creating 0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:27.920 these roles and creating these rules that only allow them 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:31.160 to have more control corruption one oh one. I suppose 0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:34.080 we can also see clearly Hona and Yaho and his 0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:37.520 partners are going to govern. In the coalitions agreement that 0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:41.360 sets out the new government's guidelines, it's not legally binding, 0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:44.439 but it states plainly in its ideology that quote, the 0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:48.000 Jewish people have an exclusive and in allegal right over 0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:50.960 all areas of the Land of Israel. The government will 0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:53.840 promote and develop the settlement of all parts of the 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:57.399 Land of Israel, and this includes to them the Occupied 0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:01.720 West Bank. Israeli human rights organization of Dull La wrote 0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:05.719 in a report, this goes further than any previous agreements. 0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:09.520 The government has made explicit the coalition's party's long standing 0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:14.560 intent to further entrench Jewish supremacy in Palestinian repression throughout 0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:17.080 the State of Israel and the Occupied West Bank through 0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:21.000 a two tiered system of governance on all levels. The 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:24.800 new government's approach to the occupied West Bank revolves around 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:29.159 the illegal annexation of Palestinian land. The government plans to 0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:33.399 legalize the illegal outposts that are built on private Palestinian land, 0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:37.480 and the likely result of that is Palestinians being stripped 0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:40.600 of rights and protections and left even more vulnerable to 0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:44.920 violence and the hardship they're already enduring. The Israeli Rights 0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:48.160 organization of the LA goes on to say that these 0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:52.359 changes to the judicial system and bestowing ministers like Symatrek 0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:55.760 with new authorities over the occupation threatened civil rights and 0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:58.639 individual rights in Israel, but it is mainly going to 0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:01.840 be a big, big issue against the national minority, the 0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:05.119 Palestinian citizens of Israel, who make up about twenty percent 0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:07.480 of the country. They are going to be the first 0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:11.080 and most severely damaged by those changes. And clearly the 0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:13.879 Israeli government even before all of this, but now it 0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:17.560 is clearly stated it has all the components of fascism. 0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:20.840 And yet the US still appears to beholding out hope 0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:24.080 that it can somehow work with and Yahoo and his 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:29.120 fucking government and its fucking ministers. Even now politics are 0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:34.119 all a scam. Everyone fucking sucks. Israel has been violating 0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:38.240 Palestinians human rights with impunity for decades, but this new 0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:42.720 government again just illustrates the most brutal intentions with greater clarity. 0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:47.160 Bits Salem, another human rights group, said the hypocrisy is 0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:50.600 denying that Palestinians have already been living for many years 0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:55.920 under extreme, organized criminal Israeli state violence underwritten by the US, 0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:59.320 and the lack of accountability and the acquiescence of the 0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:03.440 international community is to a great extent responsible for driving 0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:07.080 this and as we mentioned in this episode, last year, 0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:10.600 twenty twenty two was the most deadly year for Palestinians 0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:13.480 living in the occupied West Bank since the UN began 0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:16.360 recording the deaths in two thousand and five. It was 0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:19.000 also the year that the most Palestinians have been held 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:23.280 in administrative detention, and the attacks on Palestinians throughout the 0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:25.719 center right government leading up to all of this, the 0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:29.680 governments of Ya Lapide and Nefatali Benett cannot be understated. 0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:33.440 It's always been bad. Now it's just extremely bad. And 0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:37.120 in sharpie, the US has a role here too, because 0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:39.840 it continues to supply Israel with billions of dollars of 0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:43.120 military aid, and it has also failed to publicly criticize 0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:47.280 the En Yahoo's new political allies. An analyst covering Israel 0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:51.000 and Palestine for International Crisis Group said there's no way 0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:53.720 that the en Yahoo, as desperate as he is, would 0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:56.240 have gone to form this kind of coalition. If it 0:29:56.280 --> 0:30:00.680 wasn't for years and years of US abdication of sponsibility 0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:03.600 for what happens here, he just wouldn't have felt that 0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:06.760 he could do it. It would have been too outlandish. 0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:10.120 And all of this brings us to twenty twenty three, 0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:14.120 which we will talk about tomorrow because I like short episodes, 0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:33.320 so I'll see you there and welcome back to it 0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:36.600 could happen here. It's still Sharine, and we are going 0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:41.520 to continue our discussion about Palestine. Yesterday we talked about 0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:44.800 the atrocious things that Israel has done to Palestinians in 0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:47.760 twenty twenty two, and it brought us all to now 0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:50.760 twenty twenty three. And as a reminder, as of this 0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:54.280 recording on March seventh, at least sixty six Palestinians have 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:57.640 been killed by Israeli forces and settlers since the start 0:30:57.640 --> 0:31:00.320 of twenty twenty three, and at least seventeen of those 0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:04.960 killed were children. Thursday, January twenty sixth marked one of 0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:08.360 the deadliest Israeli army operations and the occupied West Bank 0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:12.520 since at least two thousand and five. Israeli soldiers invaded 0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:16.400 a crowded genin refugee camp on Palestinian land and massacred 0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:20.720 nine Palestinians, wounding at least twenty others. Among these nine 0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:24.280 Palestinians were two children and a sixty one year old woman. 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:27.960 The injuries of the wounded were in the head and chest, 0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:32.760 indicating that Israeli soldiers were shooting to kill. Israeli soldiers 0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:36.240 also blocked paramedics from delivering medical aid to the injured, 0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:38.920 and they tear gassed the children's ward of a hospital. 0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:42.920 This massacre is the deadliest Israeli attack in the Palestinian 0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:46.520 West Bank in nearly twenty years. I just want to 0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:49.400 repeat some things in case I said that too fast 0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:53.080 or it's just glossed over. But nine Palestinians were killed, 0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:56.200 two children, a sixty one year old woman, and the 0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:58.440 injuries were in the head and the chest. They were 0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:02.480 shooting to kill, They blocked paramedics from delivering medical aid 0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:05.520 to the injured, and they tear gassed the children's ward 0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:09.760 of a hospital. What is the justification of that? Someone 0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:13.440 please tell me. I'm all ears just monstrous things that 0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:16.840 Israel is doing to Palestinians. And in addition to the 0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:21.200 massacre in Jenin Israeli soldiers killed three other Palestinians within 0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:24.480 twenty four hours of the massacre, a child and two 0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:28.200 young men. This raid on January twenty sixth led the 0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:32.480 Palestinian Authority aka the PA to stop coordinating with Israel 0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:37.520 on security matters, officially suspending it's US supervised security cooperation 0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:40.880 with Israel, but it's unclear to what extent that will 0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:44.440 take place, and this spike in violence is occurring on 0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:48.240 both sides. A day after the raid aka massacre in 0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:51.880 the Gena refugee camp, a Palestinian gunman near a synagogue 0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:55.280 outside of Jerusalem killed seven people and injured three more. 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:59.160 Violence is often the response when you lead with violence, 0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:03.360 and this event marked the deadliest Palestinian attack against Israelis 0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:08.160 since two thousand and eight. Israel's colonization and military occupation 0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:12.080 of Palestinian land and its violent apartheid rule over millions 0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:15.520 of Palestinians are the root cause of this violence, but 0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:20.280 US media largely ignores Israel's violence, as Israeli's soldiers routinely 0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:25.280 murder Palestinians, including children, destroying their homes, and stealing their land. 0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:29.080 Remember yesterday when I mentioned that we would talk about 0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:33.280 the heinous things that Israeli settlers have been doing well. 0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:37.840 On January twenty eighth, Israeli settlers attacked Palestinians at least 0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:41.719 one hundred and forty four times. The attacks ranged from 0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:45.600 assaulting Palestinians to setting Palestinian homes and cars on fire. 0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:51.120 No arrests were made. In fact, Israeli soldiers often allow 0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:55.720 Israeli settlers to attack Palestinians, even joining in themselves or 0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:59.760 arresting the Palestinians who have been attacked. Israeli settlers live 0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:04.480 on stolen Palestinian land and violation of international law. They 0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:07.160 shouldn't be on Palestinian land in the first place, let 0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:10.440 alone be given free reign to attack Palestinians without any 0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:14.120 sort of consequence. These are all obvious hate crimes that 0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:17.840 are only supported and encouraged by the military and the government. 0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:21.880 If a government treats those it oppresses as less than human, 0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:26.160 its people will only do the same. This January was 0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:30.840 the deadliest January for Palestinians in fourteen years, and Israel's 0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:35.200 violence shows no signs of stopping. It seems like Israel's 0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:39.359 new extremist far right government is determined to exact more 0:34:39.440 --> 0:34:43.759 violence against Palestinians this year than ever before, and with 0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:47.760 the US officials refusing to condemn their actions, Israel's leaders 0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:51.480 are getting a green light to continue to terrorize Palestinians. 0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:55.080 Never held accountable for the daily violence and apartheid rule 0:34:55.160 --> 0:35:00.200 over Palestine, Palestinians deserve freedom from Israel's daily violence and 0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:03.360 at the very least, fair media coverage so that the 0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:07.080 world understands what's really going on. On March third of 0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:10.879 this year, Israel killed a fifteen year old Palestinian boy 0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:13.840 by shooting him in the back. This occurred in the 0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:17.800 West Bank town of Azoun, when an israel military vehicle 0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:21.000 drove into town. Teens were hurling rocks at the car. 0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:26.520 Soldiers responded with live fire, which is a very reasonable 0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:29.680 response to having a stone thrown out your fucking tank. 0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:34.120 In addition to shooting and killing a fifteen year old 0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:39.000 Palestinian boy a child in the back, two others were 0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:42.200 wounded in this attack, including a child. He was currently 0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:46.840 still in critical condition. Israeli forces have carried out three 0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:50.720 large scale raids on Palestinian cities since Israel's new government 0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:53.560 took office at the end of last year, including one 0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:56.600 in Nablus on February twenty second that led to the 0:35:56.719 --> 0:36:00.640 largest Palestinian death toll in a single military occupation since 0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:04.520 two thousand and five. Israeli forces killed at least eleven 0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:08.560 Palestinians and wounded more than one hundred more. Among those 0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:11.360 killed were a seventy two year old man, a sixteen 0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:13.759 year old boy, and a sixty six year old man 0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:17.799 who died of tear gas in hillation. New armed Palestinian 0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:20.759 groups have also emerged in response to this violence, and 0:36:20.800 --> 0:36:23.880 there has been a spate of Palestinian attacks against Israelis 0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:28.359 going back though to the fakery of the Israeli settlers. 0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:32.759 On February twenty sixth, at least four hundred Israeli settlers 0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:37.600 attacked several Palestinian villages in Nablus, including Kawara, killing one 0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:41.959 man and injuring hundreds of others. The violence came after 0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:47.000 calls were made by Israeli Kanesset member Zabaka Fogel apologies 0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:51.319 obviously mispronounced. I tried my best, but this violence came 0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:54.360 after this Kanesset member told the settlers to burn the 0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:58.880 town down. Settlers burned down more than thirty homes and 0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:02.800 at least one hundred cars while beating Palestinians with metal 0:37:02.920 --> 0:37:07.920 rods and rocks. None of these settlers were arrested. About 0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:10.960 a hundred Palestinians are also being treated for tear gas 0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:14.640 in hialation. In one of the many videos of this event, 0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:18.000 and yes, there are actual videos of like this happening 0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:22.360 without any justice, crowds of Jewish settlers can be heard 0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:25.200 reciting the Jewish prayer for the dead as they stare 0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:27.920 at a building in flames. There's a video of Israeli 0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:32.360 settlers fucking dancing as the violence takes place. And earlier, 0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:36.760 a prominent Israeli cabinet minister and settler leader had called 0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:40.920 for Israel to quote strike without mercy. On March first, 0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:44.960 Beziel Samatric, who was Israel's finance minister who also handles 0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:48.000 civil administration in the West Bank, said the village of 0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:51.880 Hawada should be wiped out. He told a journalist quote, 0:37:52.160 --> 0:37:55.440 I think Hawada needs to be erased. The state should 0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:58.840 be the one to do that. Back to that, Israeli 0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:04.520 Knesset member Zivika Fogel again apologies for mispronouncing that. He 0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:09.120 tweeted that quote. Hawada closed plus burnt down. That's what 0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:12.799 I want to see. On an earlier occasion, Fogel said 0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:16.160 that quote a hundred Palestinians must be killed in a day, 0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:19.960 and he described these Palestinians as terrorists and to force 0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:24.200 them to the quote Israeli will. In response to Symmetric's 0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:28.359 statement that the Palestinian village of Hawaida should be wiped out, 0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:33.080 the Human Rights Chief of the United Nations AKA Volker Turk, 0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:36.600 who we mentioned briefly yesterday, he said that these commas 0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:41.239 are an unfathomable statement of incitement to violence and hostility. 0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:44.800 He went on to say the situation in the occupied 0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:48.760 Palestinian territory is a tragedy, a tragedy above all else 0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:52.120 for the Palestinian people. This was during a report that 0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:55.759 he presented on the situation and the occupied territories to 0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:59.680 the UN Human Rights Council. He said, my report finds 0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:03.200 that over the reporting period, lethal force has been frequently 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:06.640 employed by the Israeli security forces, regardless of a level 0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:09.600 of threat, and at times even as an initial measure 0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:13.560 rather than a last resort. My office has also documented 0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:17.480 several cases of apparent extra judicial targeted killings by members 0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:21.480 of the isof the Israeli security forces. The report finds 0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:24.319 that one hundred and thirty one Palestinians were killed by 0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:27.719 the isof personnel over the past year in a context 0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:31.319 of law enforcement, that is outside any context of hostilities. 0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:34.840 This includes sixty five people who we understand were not 0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:38.600 armed or not engaged in any attacks or clashes. The 0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:42.000 occupation is eating away at the health of both societies 0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:45.279 on every level, from childhood to old age and in 0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:48.319 every part of life. For this violence to end, the 0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:52.080 occupation must end on all sides. There are people who 0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:55.640 know this. I did mention the end of that report 0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:58.360 briefly yesterday, but I wanted to mention more of it today, 0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:01.319 just to really give you the whole context of what 0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:04.520 this report was saying to the UN. The European Union's 0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:07.919 envoy to the Palestinians also called for accountability for these 0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:12.120 settler attacks. It is absolutely necessary for us that accountability 0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:15.320 is fully ensured, that the perpetrators are brought to justice, 0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:19.240 that those who lost property be compensated. In what seemed 0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:23.320 like a very rare move, the Defense Minister Yolav Gallant 0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:27.239 said that he signed administrative detention orders for two suspects 0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:30.520 over this rampage, and he court ordered police to release 0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:33.279 all seven people who have been detained in connection to 0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:37.440 the rampage. Amnesty International condemned this release of the suspects. 0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:40.360 It also condemned the use of administrative attention, which it 0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:44.080 said was a practice that violates international law. But Israel 0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:47.280 doesn't care about that, because it violates international law a lot, 0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:51.240 and here it is Israeli, writes group yesh Din found 0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:54.880 that ninety three percent of investigations into settler attacks in 0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:57.400 the occupied West Bank between two thousand and five and 0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:01.440 twenty twenty two were closed without indictment. And even though 0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:05.200 the US demanded that ne Enyahoo disavow symatrics call for 0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:09.239 Hawaara to be erased, nothing has happened. Nunyah, who on 0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:12.120 the night of the rampage urged people not to take 0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:14.880 the law into their own hands, but he never publicly 0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:18.759 addressed sematric statement or responded to the unusual criticism by 0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:22.759 the US, who was obviously a close ally. The situation 0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:26.560 in Israel today is clear. Israel has become a state 0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:29.520 for the settlers, where some of these militias have the 0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:33.279 support of the Israeli ministers, such as Symatric and Bengavid. 0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:38.080 Israeli settlers who chant death to Arabs and mayor village 0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:41.440 burn have the direct support of people in uniform and 0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:45.239 the Israeli government. And just like the other Israeli settlers 0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:48.840 who set hundreds of Palestinian homes on fire and uprooted 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:52.200 thousands of Palestinian olive trees and got away with their crimes, 0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:55.400 it is highly unlikely that the Israeli settlers who burned 0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:58.919 homes in Hawada will be touched. And there have been 0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:02.800 protests that are actually secular and liberal in a desperate 0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:07.600 attempt to stop this growing far right government, but they 0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:11.240 don't do much, obviously, when you're in a fascist government regime. 0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:13.920 I can't believe we haven't talked about him yet, but 0:42:14.160 --> 0:42:18.359 President Isaac Herzog, who is Israel's eleventh president and he's 0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:22.360 been president since twenty twenty one, he stepped in after 0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:26.120 these protests were happening, and with support from President Biden, 0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:29.439 he was facilitating a compromise between the government and these 0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:33.880 protesters and what seemed like a well intentioned effort to 0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:37.000 build some kind of consensus, it was only in fact 0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:41.520 this ill advised attempt to appease fascists and pander to evil, 0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:44.680 and any compromise that is offered by Herzog would be 0:42:44.760 --> 0:42:48.160 skewed toward the ruling majority, which holds the power to 0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:52.560 interpret its articles at will. A compromise will also whitewash 0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:56.239 and empower the ruling fascists, presenting them as responsible and 0:42:56.320 --> 0:43:00.480 pragmatic actors as they pursue their extremist agenda, and as 0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:04.960 a street opposition loses momentum and disintegrates slowly but surely. 0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:10.120 In a recent article, Haretz said that Herzog's plans were 0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:13.480 born in sin to whitewasher government led by a criminal 0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:16.880 defendant who was in a conflict of interest in everything 0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:21.200 regarding changes in the judicial system and certainly regarding such 0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:25.040 a radical quote unquote reform. And obviously, the more sinister 0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:29.040 and dangerous ramifications of such a compromise lies in its 0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:32.840 focusing on Israel's liberal democracy for the Jews while ignoring 0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:36.759 its tyranny toward the Palestinians. In fact, reaching any sort 0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:40.000 of compromise on domestic affairs is sure to free the 0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:43.920 government's hand, only to widen its oppression, deepen its occupation, 0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:49.120 and multiply its illegal settlements, Israel has no security solutions 0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:54.120 in Palestine. Former intelligence officer Chief Ami Ayalon, in his 0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:58.400 biography Friendly Fire, said of Israel, because of its occupation, 0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:02.560 Israel's democracy will evolve into tyranny. Let's go back to 0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:06.359 Izamar Binevide, Israel's Minister of Security, who the New York 0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:09.560 are actually called Israel's Minister of chaos. He has been 0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:13.680 convicted of eight charges, including supporting a terrorist organization and 0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:17.400 incitement to racism, and who, according to former Prime Minister 0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:20.839 a Hud al Marte, presents a more eminent danger to 0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:24.960 Israel than a nuclear armed Iran. And as we mentioned, 0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:28.960 Bin Gaveer serves as Minister of Security alongside his genocidal 0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:32.320 partner and crime but Zabel Sumatric, the Minister of Finance. 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:35.520 Both of these men have risen to the highest echelons 0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:39.440 of power thanks to their racist campaigns and incitement against Palestinians. 0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:42.800 Their fanatical religious movement has sprung out of the illegal 0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:45.800 settlements in the occupied West Bank based on these Zionist 0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:48.600 belief in the necessity to take full control of all 0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:52.160 of historic Palestine aka the quote the Land of Israel 0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:54.280 as they call it, in order to redeem the Jewish 0:44:54.320 --> 0:44:59.000 people by any means necessary. In other words, Israel's fanatics 0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:02.920 have a divine ordained, vested interest in greater turmoil in 0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:07.200 Israel and Palestine that strengthens and expands their base, especially 0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:11.799 among their youth. After decades of military occupation. Polls and 0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:16.040 surveys suggests that about sixty percent of Jewish Israeli's favor 0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:20.440 segregation from the Palestinian Israelis, and sixty percent identify as 0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:24.000 right wing today, a number that rises to seventy percent 0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:28.040 for those aged eighteen to twenty four. This does not 0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:31.640 bode well for a future piece or security. It's not 0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:34.080 exactly a generation that's going to die out. It's a 0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:38.000 generation that's being formed as we speak. And even though 0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:41.760 Palestine has the Palestine Authority or any kind of leadership, 0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:46.200 that is obviously weakening. Even when Israel pretends to coordinate 0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:49.560 with them on security and intelligence matters, it persists on 0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:54.040 humiliating the Palestinian leaders, undercutting their authority, and undermining their 0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:57.920 legitimacy as it forces settlers to rampage through the Palestinian 0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:01.800 neighborhoods and refugee camps without out any sort of repercussions. 0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:05.319 And I know Israel gets called an apartheid state a 0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:08.520 lot these days, and it isn't apartheid state. But basically 0:46:08.560 --> 0:46:12.120 the engine of turmoil and violence today is only because 0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:16.680 of Israel's decade long military and civilian occupation, This occupation 0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:20.520 that has rapidly transformed into an entrenched system of apartheid 0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:24.600 government because of the two separate set of laws, rules, standards, 0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:28.319 and structures designed to favor the illegal settlers and to 0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:31.799 maintain and expand Jewish supremacy from the Jordan River to 0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:36.040 the Mediterranean Sea. The ruling fascists plan to unleash greater 0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:40.080 state and settler violence against the Palestinians as this year progresses, 0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:44.400 and in the process transform Israel into a fascist garrison 0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:48.640 state and worsen regional turmoil. Let's take our first break here. 0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:53.680 We will continue when we come back. Brb Okay, we're back. 0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:57.879 In twenty fifteen, the world was shocked by the kidnapping 0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:02.240 of Palestinian child Muhamment of Jadid from Jerusalem by Israeli 0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:06.319 settlers who burnt him alive. This was depicted in the 0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:09.840 HBO show Our Boys. It's a decent show. I recommend 0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:12.160 you swatch it just for more information. It's really hard 0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:14.799 to watch, but it's still a really good show. But 0:47:14.920 --> 0:47:18.960 this event, this kidnapping of a Palestinian child who was 0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:22.520 burnt alive by Israeli settlers. This is the mentality of 0:47:22.560 --> 0:47:26.480 Israeli settlers in the West Bank today, where birding Palestinians 0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:29.919 in their homes is celebrated by their political leaders. These 0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:33.520 groups have carried out dozens of attacks against Palestining families 0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:36.719 by birding their homes and their farms, including burning the 0:47:36.800 --> 0:47:40.359 Palestinian Dawabshi family in the village on Duma in late 0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:44.239 July twenty fifteen, where an eighteen month old Dali Dawapshe 0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:48.240 and his parents lost their lives. Between six hundred thousand 0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:51.000 and seven hundred and fifty thousand Israeli settlers live in 0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:54.680 at least two hundred and fifty settlements and outposts built 0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:58.320 by the Israeli government and settlers across the occupied Palestining 0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:01.840 West Bank and East Jerusalem. That is equivalent to roughly 0:48:01.880 --> 0:48:06.239 eleven percent of the total Jewish Israeli population. They live 0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:10.279 beyond the quote internationally recognized borders of their state on 0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:14.359 Palestinian land. That Israel militarily occupied in nineteen sixty seven 0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:19.000 and continues to do so until today. Settlers also lived 0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:21.879 in the besieged Gaza Strip until two thousand and five, 0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:26.080 when they were evacuated. The Gaza Strip has also been 0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:29.560 described as an open air concentration camp if you want 0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:32.880 an idea of maybe why they left. The majority of 0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:36.080 settlers are armed, and Palestinians living on the occupied West 0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:39.440 Bank and East Jerusalem suffer from hundreds of Israeli settler 0:48:39.440 --> 0:48:45.800 attacks each year. Such attacks, which include shootings, stabbings, arson beatings, 0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:48.919 and rock throwing, have become more organized over the last 0:48:48.960 --> 0:48:53.760 few years. Every year, thousands of Palestinian trees and cars 0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:57.560 and homes are burned by these settlers. Many of these 0:48:57.560 --> 0:49:00.719 incidents have been recorded on video, showing that the attacks 0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:04.440 often take place under the protection or in coordination with 0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:08.800 the Israeli Army, sometimes with soldiers and settlers shooting side 0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:13.440 by side. Israeli settlements are illegal under international law, as 0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:17.160 they violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, which banns and occupying 0:49:17.200 --> 0:49:20.680 power from transferring its population to the area it occupies. 0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:25.000 This is for a variety of reasons, including protecting civilians 0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:28.120 from the theft of resources by the occupying power, and 0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:32.000 to prevent changes in the demographic makeup of the occupied territory, 0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:39.080 which both things have happened. Israel is doing that very successfully. Unfortunately, 0:49:40.080 --> 0:49:43.279 the majority of settlements have been built either entirely or 0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:48.200 partially on private Palestinian land. Despite being outside of Israel proper. 0:49:48.520 --> 0:49:52.200 These settlers are granted Israeli citizenship and they receive government 0:49:52.239 --> 0:49:56.480 subsidies that significantly lower their cost of living. In contrast, 0:49:56.640 --> 0:49:59.520 Palestinians living in the West Bank are subject to Israeli 0:49:59.600 --> 0:50:02.839 military Harry law, and there has been an increasing number 0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:06.200 of settler attacks. Between twenty ten and twenty nineteen, the 0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:10.880 United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs recorded 0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:14.000 at least two thousand, nine hundred and fifty five settler 0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:17.360 attacks in which at least twenty two Palestinians were killed 0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:20.439 and at least one thousand, two hundred and fifty eight 0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:24.640 others were injured. The governance of Nablos, Tebron and Romola 0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:28.640 had the highest numbers of these incidents. Since the start 0:50:28.680 --> 0:50:32.480 of twenty twenty three, Israeli settler related violence reached an 0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:36.400 average of three incidents per day, compared with two incidents 0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:39.680 per day in twenty twenty two, still really shitty, and 0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:42.680 one incident per day in twenty twenty one. This is 0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:45.680 what the UN had told El Jazeera, and this is 0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:49.959 the highest daily average of settler related incidents affecting Palestinians 0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:53.920 since two thousand and six. And criminal charges are rarely, 0:50:54.080 --> 0:50:58.239 if ever pursued, And although not every attack can be 0:50:58.360 --> 0:51:01.520 tied to another, it seems that since the launch of 0:51:01.640 --> 0:51:05.880 Israel's Operation Breakwater last March, it's only driving the surge 0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:10.320 and violence further. The imbalance between these two forces doesn't 0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:13.080 get any better when you add politics and leadership into 0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:16.359 the mix. While Israel is appointing more and more far 0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:19.839 right politicians to higher positions of power, there has been 0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:24.839 a weakening of Palestinian security forces. Palestinian security forces are 0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:27.799 trained by the US and international forces to patrol the 0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:31.640 West Bank, round up Palestinian militants, and coordinate with Israeli 0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:35.319 officials to prevent attacks on Israelis, but those forces have 0:51:35.480 --> 0:51:38.760 lost a law of legitimacy among their own people. Many 0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:43.719 Palestinians see them as doing Israel's bidding, maintaining Israel's military occupation, 0:51:43.960 --> 0:51:48.120 rather than resisting it. Increasingly, pockets of the West Bank 0:51:48.200 --> 0:51:52.160 have become no go zones for the Palestinian authority forces, 0:51:52.320 --> 0:51:55.800 who now either refuse to enter or find it too dangerous. 0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:59.440 That includes the Genin refugee camp, which is a dense, 0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:03.600 highly populated district. Israel says it's stepping in to fill 0:52:03.640 --> 0:52:07.440 the void of leadership, intensifying its arrest raids in these 0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:13.360 densely populated areas, and unsurprisingly this leads to deadly clashes. 0:52:14.120 --> 0:52:16.880 But Israel has occupied the West Bank for nearly fifty 0:52:16.920 --> 0:52:20.120 six years and continues to deepen its grip on it. 0:52:20.120 --> 0:52:22.719 It says Palestinians are not ready to make peace with 0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:26.840 Israel and that the occupation is a security necessity. But 0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:30.279 it has also allowed and supported hundreds of thousands of 0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:34.000 Israeli settlers across the West Bank, which we've seen manifest 0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:36.840 and the far right parades and the rallies that chant 0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:41.200 for the quote death of Arabs. Additionally, Israel's new far 0:52:41.280 --> 0:52:45.520 right government vows to legalize dozens of small settlement outposts 0:52:45.640 --> 0:52:48.520 deep in the heart of the occupied territory, making it 0:52:48.560 --> 0:52:52.360 harder to envision a future Palestinian state there, which is 0:52:52.480 --> 0:52:56.560 part of their whole agenda. Younger Palestinians have grown up 0:52:56.760 --> 0:53:00.680 not knowing anything but Israel's brutal permit regime, which controls 0:53:00.680 --> 0:53:04.640 Palestinians entry and movement, and some of their only interactions 0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:08.239 with Israelis are often with hostile settlers or with occupation 0:53:08.360 --> 0:53:11.640 enforcing soldiers who raid their homes and jail people for 0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:15.759 months without charges. And because of the inaction of both 0:53:15.800 --> 0:53:20.320 the Palestinian Authority and the international community, some young Palestinians 0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:24.120 see violent resistance against Israel as their only viable path 0:53:24.160 --> 0:53:28.759 to freedom, With young militants lionized on social media, let's 0:53:28.800 --> 0:53:32.359 take our last break here, we'll be right back, talk 0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:37.279 about Palestinian leadership, Israel's far right, and a bunch of 0:53:37.280 --> 0:53:43.400 other terrible stuff. So whoopee, you're back and we are back. 0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:50.120 So as Palestinian leadership weakens, Israel's far right only gets stronger. 0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:55.680 According to Poles, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas eighty seven, 0:53:55.880 --> 0:53:58.840 one of the Middle East's oldest leaders, has lost the 0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:03.640 support of most Palestinians. Palestinian protesters and activists have long 0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:06.880 accused Abas of not taking a more active role in 0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:11.960 dealing with Israeli aggression. In his nineteenth year of what 0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:15.000 was supposed to be a four year term, a Bas 0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:18.400 has lost control of Gaza to the mil to Hamas, 0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:22.200 calling off elections for new leadership and allowing government corruption 0:54:22.239 --> 0:54:26.000 to thrive, never laying out a clear future for Palestinians. 0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:30.360 But it's not the end of Abbas's reign that worries Palestinians. 0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:33.520 It's what comes next when the eighty seventy year old 0:54:33.600 --> 0:54:36.640 is no longer president. But the question of who will 0:54:36.680 --> 0:54:39.319 replace a Bas is not currently at the top of 0:54:39.360 --> 0:54:44.080 the Palestinian public's agenda. Doctor Mustapha Baghruti, the head of 0:54:44.120 --> 0:54:49.040 the Palestine National Initiative Movement, said that Palestinians, particularly the 0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:52.760 younger generation, are no longer viewing the two state solution 0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:56.120 as a viable option. They are also recognizing that they 0:54:56.160 --> 0:55:00.560 can't expect anything from Israeli governments, particularly the coming one 0:55:00.680 --> 0:55:05.400 that is discussing annexation, bolstering settlements and suppressing Palestinian rights. 0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:09.320 He said, the notion is strengthening among the young generation 0:55:09.440 --> 0:55:13.760 that Israel only understands force and opposition. It doesn't matter 0:55:13.800 --> 0:55:17.200 whether national resistance is violent or not, which is why 0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:20.680 there's growing support for armed groups in Jenin and Nablus. 0:55:21.480 --> 0:55:24.960 Baruti said that Israel's prevention of a two state solution 0:55:25.160 --> 0:55:29.840 will eventually make the Palestinian authority irrelevant. He said the 0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:33.640 PA's current model as a type of subcontractor for Israel, 0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:38.040 which implements apartheid against the Palestinians, cannot go on forever, 0:55:38.440 --> 0:55:42.120 regardless of who runs the PA. On the flip side, 0:55:42.360 --> 0:55:46.520 Israel's longtime leader Benjamin and Yahoo is back as prime ministers, 0:55:46.560 --> 0:55:49.359 a prise surprise, with a far right coalition that has 0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:51.799 laid out a plan for deepening its grip on the 0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:55.560 West Bank and taking tougher action against Palestinians. And with 0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:57.959 only a couple months in office in this new year, 0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:01.800 the government has already sparked a series of controversies, including 0:56:01.840 --> 0:56:06.640 over the status of the Uximosque in Jerusalem. The Uximosque 0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:09.960 is a very holy and special place for Muslims, and 0:56:10.080 --> 0:56:13.880 it has been subject to violence for years because of 0:56:13.960 --> 0:56:18.880 Israel's government. More far right politicians have also come into office, 0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:23.160 including the National Security minister we mentioned earlier, who essentially 0:56:23.200 --> 0:56:26.160 wants to give Israeli police and soldiers immunity to use 0:56:26.280 --> 0:56:30.319 live ammunition, which would shield them from criminal prosecution for 0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:34.879 killing and injuring Palestinians. Israel's also planning to destroy an 0:56:35.040 --> 0:56:40.680 entire Palestinian town, beginning their plans last month. Khan Alhamad 0:56:40.880 --> 0:56:43.640 is a town just miles from Jerusalem with nearly two 0:56:43.760 --> 0:56:48.040 hundred Palestinians. Israel is planning to destroy the entire town 0:56:48.120 --> 0:56:52.480 in order to expand two illegal, racially segregated settlements nearby. 0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:57.000 Israel plans to bulldoze all the homes, schools, and businesses 0:56:57.000 --> 0:57:01.840 in Khan Hmad, forcing families into homeless. It's a process 0:57:01.880 --> 0:57:06.200 they've done in countless Palestinian towns. Kahn Rahma is simply 0:57:06.280 --> 0:57:11.000 Israel's latest target. Just miles away from this town, Israel 0:57:11.080 --> 0:57:15.239 is destroying the Palestinian community of Masafiriata, where over a 0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:18.960 thousand Palestinians are living in fear that Israeli soldiers will 0:57:19.040 --> 0:57:22.600 violently tear down their homes at any given moment. No 0:57:22.720 --> 0:57:27.160 government should be allowed to forcibly uproot entire communities in 0:57:27.280 --> 0:57:31.400 order to steal their land. Israel should be no exception, 0:57:31.960 --> 0:57:34.040 and the fact that it continues to operate in this 0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:39.920 way as the entire world watches is it's shameful. Israeli 0:57:39.920 --> 0:57:43.000 officials are already prepping for a tense month in April 0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:47.200 when Ramadan and Passover coincide, which could be a combustible 0:57:47.280 --> 0:57:51.760 mix for potential religious and nationalists fueled violence. The Israeli 0:57:51.760 --> 0:57:57.880 military is inflicting horrific, deadly violence and Palestinians every single day. 0:57:58.040 --> 0:58:01.000 Instead of condemning Israel or take any kind of action 0:58:01.120 --> 0:58:04.320 to protect Palestinian lives, the US continues to turn a 0:58:04.360 --> 0:58:07.600 blind eye while also continuing to send Israel billions of 0:58:07.640 --> 0:58:11.480 dollars every year. These billions of dollars are used to 0:58:11.520 --> 0:58:15.960 commit massacres of Palestinians. The world should bring to account 0:58:16.000 --> 0:58:20.480 to the Israeli government, which has encouraged violence against Palestinians publicly, 0:58:20.720 --> 0:58:23.960 and supportive settlers with arms and money to carry out 0:58:24.000 --> 0:58:30.040 their crimes. The Israeli government just legalized nine illegal settlement outposts. 0:58:30.120 --> 0:58:34.080 If the international community, including the US, does not criminalize 0:58:34.080 --> 0:58:37.440 settlement activities in the West Bank, Israeli settlers, who in 0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:41.400 recent years have leaned towards the far right in alarming ways, 0:58:41.760 --> 0:58:45.360 will continue to enjoy impunity when they commit crimes against 0:58:45.400 --> 0:58:50.800 the Palestinian people and Israel's brutal occupation shows no sign 0:58:50.840 --> 0:58:54.640 of ending, so will continue to hear news like this 0:58:54.880 --> 0:58:58.080 until any sort of action is taken to defend Palestinians 0:58:58.120 --> 0:59:01.760 and end Israel's apartheid rule of Palestine and end the 0:59:01.800 --> 0:59:05.959 ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people. Until then, we won't 0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:09.480 stop raising awareness of the crimes against humanity that Israel 0:59:09.520 --> 0:59:14.760 commits against Palestinians every single day. And that is the episode. 0:59:16.040 --> 0:59:20.520 Who I hope some of that was informative or educational, 0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:24.640 and I will probably be back with more upsetting news 0:59:24.640 --> 0:59:45.160 about the Middle East very soon. So goodbye, dearly beloved, 0:59:45.280 --> 0:59:48.360 Welcome to it could happen here. We are gathered here 0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:52.440 today to get through this thing called life. Electric word life. 0:59:53.000 --> 0:59:56.200 It's a thing that only happens with the addition of 0:59:56.200 --> 0:59:59.040 a couple of ingredients, and one of those ingredients is 0:59:59.040 --> 1:00:03.840 the subject of our episode today. Oh yeah, you guys 1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:06.640 like that? Everybody really happy with that? I love that. Yeah, 1:00:06.680 --> 1:00:08.640 I'm feeling not at all like I want to kind 1:00:08.640 --> 1:00:11.280 of shower. You can you can you can hear the 1:00:11.320 --> 1:00:14.760 moment where we're all like simultaneously questioning every single decision 1:00:14.760 --> 1:00:18.320 we've ever made in our entire lives. Yeah, now we're 1:00:18.320 --> 1:00:22.120 all bonded together. So how's everybody doing today. We've got 1:00:22.560 --> 1:00:27.680 mea Wong, Garrison Davis, James Stout, and I should let 1:00:27.680 --> 1:00:30.680 people know I wasn't joking about the come thingum. So 1:00:31.160 --> 1:00:34.880 those of you who are two online will know this. 1:00:35.000 --> 1:00:37.040 Those of you who are not online enough, this is 1:00:37.080 --> 1:00:39.440 one of the online things that you will want to 1:00:39.480 --> 1:00:41.840 know because it's very funny. And the gist of it 1:00:41.920 --> 1:00:45.040 is that like four days ago, doctor Jordan B. Peterson 1:00:45.840 --> 1:00:48.760 got sent a link to a Twitter account that is 1:00:49.000 --> 1:00:53.280 that purports to be spreading like hidden news about the 1:00:53.320 --> 1:00:57.520 evils of the Chinese communist regime, and they put out 1:00:57.560 --> 1:01:02.040 a video that was a segment from British Milking fetish 1:01:02.200 --> 1:01:06.000 pornography video. Now, if you're not aware the milking, as 1:01:06.040 --> 1:01:07.360 far as I can tell, I believe they're kind of 1:01:07.360 --> 1:01:12.560 descended from the long lineage of like rubber fetishists, right, 1:01:12.800 --> 1:01:15.200 and there's like a lot of medical fetish stuff it 1:01:15.280 --> 1:01:17.080 tied into it. But the idea is that men are 1:01:17.280 --> 1:01:20.640 entirely wrapped up on hospital gurneys and giant pump sucked 1:01:20.640 --> 1:01:25.480 the semen out of them. So it's like the machine 1:01:25.560 --> 1:01:30.760 is very like a cow milk. This Twitter account put 1:01:30.800 --> 1:01:34.200 this up, claiming that it was the Chinese government stealing 1:01:34.240 --> 1:01:37.560 the semen of young men, and Jordan Peterson shared it, 1:01:37.920 --> 1:01:41.680 saying it was an unbelievable act of evil and then 1:01:42.040 --> 1:01:44.960 everyone had the best day of their lives. And an 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:47.760 hour of two later he deleted it. Now I have 1:01:47.920 --> 1:01:54.840 been continuing, coward, coward, coward. Yeah, so strange, so stranger. 1:01:54.920 --> 1:01:57.400 He left the world of peer reviewed academia. Yeah, it's 1:01:57.480 --> 1:02:02.280 it's wild that he's no longer professor. Um, it's very funny. 1:02:02.680 --> 1:02:05.360 We're continuing to give him shit for it online, but 1:02:05.560 --> 1:02:08.280 it set us off down an interesting road, and because 1:02:08.360 --> 1:02:10.840 some other stuff fell through, we're going to talk about 1:02:10.840 --> 1:02:14.000 the wide world of weird right wing come conspiracies. Most 1:02:14.040 --> 1:02:15.760 of them released are going to be right wing. There's 1:02:15.760 --> 1:02:20.960 a surprising number of semen based conspiracies. Everybody did research 1:02:21.040 --> 1:02:23.720 on their own special thing. I wanted to start by 1:02:23.840 --> 1:02:28.160 talking about this this Jordan Peterson video and giving kind 1:02:28.200 --> 1:02:31.040 of some of the some of the background on it, 1:02:31.160 --> 1:02:36.000 so I believe it. Last July, the Chinese Human Sperm 1:02:36.000 --> 1:02:38.880 Bank of Shanghai announced that it was hosting a competition 1:02:38.960 --> 1:02:43.000 for college students to find out whose semen was the 1:02:43.040 --> 1:02:47.160 best in terms of, like, you know, a number of 1:02:47.280 --> 1:02:49.840 modal sperm per milli leader, I think is the way 1:02:49.880 --> 1:02:52.800 that they judge it. And basically the idea was that 1:02:53.680 --> 1:02:56.360 they were trying to find like people with sperm concentration 1:02:56.360 --> 1:02:58.960 greater than sixty million per milli leader, and if they 1:02:59.040 --> 1:03:01.360 visited a sperm bank a set number of times in 1:03:01.360 --> 1:03:03.920 a six month period, they could receive a prize that 1:03:03.960 --> 1:03:07.600 was equivalent to about twelve hundred dollars right now. The 1:03:07.640 --> 1:03:11.000 reason this is happening is that China, for the first time, 1:03:11.000 --> 1:03:14.120 as a result of a number of different policies, had 1:03:14.240 --> 1:03:17.280 negative population growth very recently, and this is the thing 1:03:17.320 --> 1:03:19.040 that can cause a problem for a country for a 1:03:19.120 --> 1:03:21.959 variety of reasons. So the government is trying to shore 1:03:22.080 --> 1:03:25.480 up birthrates, and there are a lot of couples in 1:03:25.640 --> 1:03:29.600 China that have had issues conceiving, and so there's a 1:03:29.720 --> 1:03:32.840 huge amount of demand for sperm in the country right now. 1:03:32.880 --> 1:03:36.240 So this is not a weird story. It is actually 1:03:36.280 --> 1:03:39.560 a thing that happens all around the world regularly. But 1:03:39.880 --> 1:03:43.400 right around the time that this happened, a little bit 1:03:43.440 --> 1:03:48.600 after that, it came out that a Japanese company started 1:03:48.640 --> 1:03:51.560 selling what is called in the articles I found an 1:03:51.560 --> 1:04:01.400 automatic sperm extractor to Chinese sperm banks. Now this is 1:04:01.440 --> 1:04:04.000 I'm gonna send y'all the link. I was hoping you 1:04:04.000 --> 1:04:07.880 would oh, oh, yes, good friends, thanks, but yes, we're 1:04:07.880 --> 1:04:11.560 all going to see this. So the Machines price listing 1:04:11.600 --> 1:04:13.880 on Ali Baba, where it sells for about five to 1:04:13.920 --> 1:04:17.280 six thousand dollars, describes it as a device that quote 1:04:17.320 --> 1:04:22.480 merges modern digital technology, automatic control technology, and simulation technologies 1:04:22.480 --> 1:04:27.919 with semen collection and premature ejaculation desensitization training function. So 1:04:28.160 --> 1:04:30.880 it has a number of purposes, including guests to help 1:04:30.960 --> 1:04:36.680 guys stop coming too early, which no shame. It's funny 1:04:36.720 --> 1:04:39.919 that someone built a machine for it. It's extremely funny 1:04:39.960 --> 1:04:42.040 I that you can buy an Ali Express. It's like 1:04:42.960 --> 1:04:44.960 I personally, I'm not attaching anything. I bought an Ali 1:04:45.000 --> 1:04:48.360 Baba too sensitive parts to my body's thousand dollars. It's 1:04:48.360 --> 1:04:51.439 not cheap. Now the primary these are not being used 1:04:51.440 --> 1:04:55.040 for people who are coming to too quickly. Um, it's 1:04:55.040 --> 1:04:57.520 just like the worst ever were two D two. This 1:04:58.760 --> 1:05:01.200 it is. It is weird. It's see orientation. Does it 1:05:01.280 --> 1:05:03.479 stand on the ground and you just approach it. You 1:05:03.640 --> 1:05:06.240 have to stand up. Yeah, but what if you're a 1:05:06.280 --> 1:05:10.160 shock king, Yeah, I said, I'm sure they have options. 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:14.920 It has like the rough shape of like canteld massage device, 1:05:15.000 --> 1:05:18.120 but it's kind of like formed like almost an art 1:05:18.120 --> 1:05:21.800 deco robot vagina. And basically, from what I've read, kind 1:05:21.800 --> 1:05:24.000 of the reasoning is that, like, hey, we need people 1:05:24.000 --> 1:05:27.720 to donate sperm. Some people feel weird about just masturbating 1:05:27.720 --> 1:05:29.360 in a clinic, and we hope this is a more 1:05:29.400 --> 1:05:33.400 pleasant experience for them. So again this we're laughing because like, look, 1:05:33.560 --> 1:05:36.120 a machine designed to capture seamen is kind of a 1:05:36.160 --> 1:05:39.200 funny thing. That's okay, no shame on anybody for that. 1:05:40.480 --> 1:05:43.200 But the fact that you have both the government trying 1:05:43.240 --> 1:05:46.360 to encourage people to donate sperm and this weird machine 1:05:46.920 --> 1:05:49.800 kind of created fertile ground for a bunch of right 1:05:49.800 --> 1:05:54.080 wing weirdos to start making grounded I know, fertile ground 1:05:54.440 --> 1:05:58.880 tom to make the completely un ungrounded claim that like 1:05:59.040 --> 1:06:02.240 the government was trying to steal people seemen, right, And 1:06:02.280 --> 1:06:06.080 that is the basis of doctor Jordan B. Peterson's fun 1:06:06.120 --> 1:06:09.080 little freak out on the internet. And I will say 1:06:09.360 --> 1:06:12.040 you should try to find the videos of the automatic 1:06:12.120 --> 1:06:17.120 sperm extractor. This this amazing Japanese machine, because it is funny, fascinating. 1:06:18.040 --> 1:06:20.200 We should change some of these on the cool Stone account. 1:06:20.280 --> 1:06:22.320 Do they have to like like like change like I 1:06:22.360 --> 1:06:27.280 assume they like to. Ye, yeah, you can't clean that. 1:06:28.120 --> 1:06:30.120 If you watch the video, there's like a there's a 1:06:30.200 --> 1:06:35.000 rubbiot that like comes out, like the thing that the 1:06:35.040 --> 1:06:37.800 penis goes in is also the captured device, so it 1:06:37.920 --> 1:06:42.600 is removed with the sperm donation when you take it out. Um. 1:06:42.840 --> 1:06:46.640 So again this is, you know, funny because come, but 1:06:46.720 --> 1:06:49.160 there's nothing sinister here. It's just in the same way 1:06:49.200 --> 1:06:52.680 that literally everything is. People have like spun it up 1:06:52.760 --> 1:06:57.440 into a nonsense thing. But because of this beautiful, beautiful story, 1:06:57.520 --> 1:06:59.800 which I hope we've all gotten to enjoy, I got 1:06:59.800 --> 1:07:02.160 to do a lot of work on the some of you, 1:07:02.360 --> 1:07:04.400 if you've lived, if you've worked in agriculture, you're not 1:07:04.400 --> 1:07:07.360 going to be surprised that stealing come is a massive industry, 1:07:07.440 --> 1:07:09.200 like it is a there is a lot of money 1:07:09.240 --> 1:07:12.240 to be made in stealing semen. There's enough money to 1:07:12.240 --> 1:07:15.000 be made in stealing semen that there are two different 1:07:15.000 --> 1:07:19.080 official terms that I have found for semen theft. The 1:07:19.120 --> 1:07:25.400 first is sperm jacking. How could it get better? How 1:07:25.400 --> 1:07:28.000 could it get better than that? Garrison? It gets better 1:07:28.320 --> 1:07:38.680 because the second, the second is spurgling. These are like 1:07:38.840 --> 1:07:41.640 professionals who like come up with these terms. Huh, these 1:07:41.640 --> 1:07:46.480 are genius. There actually is. I did find in my 1:07:46.640 --> 1:07:52.600 research there is one actual Chinese based sperm conspiracy. It's 1:07:52.640 --> 1:07:56.240 just not a very sinister one. There's this Chinese businessman, 1:07:57.120 --> 1:08:02.040 Jesse Jabbai zoo Um who stole there. There's this I 1:08:02.080 --> 1:08:03.919 think it was a Canadian company. It was a US 1:08:03.960 --> 1:08:07.600 company who had So this is for like bull semen. 1:08:07.760 --> 1:08:10.320 And one of the things that you want for bull 1:08:10.360 --> 1:08:14.840 semen is you don't want if you're inseminating cows, you 1:08:14.880 --> 1:08:17.760 want all of the babies to be female generally, right, 1:08:17.840 --> 1:08:21.080 because bulls are not very with outside a certain space. 1:08:21.240 --> 1:08:23.400 If you're like trying to make more breeders or whatever, 1:08:23.840 --> 1:08:26.200 if you're in industrial agriculture, you don't want any of 1:08:26.200 --> 1:08:28.160 the boys, right. You just want to keep making those sweet, 1:08:28.160 --> 1:08:30.559 sweet lady cows that that are, you know, more useful 1:08:30.600 --> 1:08:32.920 to you in a financial sense. So there's a US 1:08:32.960 --> 1:08:38.920 company that developed a method of before insemination looking through 1:08:38.960 --> 1:08:41.439 the sperm and like sorting out the sperm that will 1:08:41.479 --> 1:08:47.519 make female cows um and that is apparently hard to do. 1:08:47.560 --> 1:08:49.599 I mean, it sounds like it would be hard to do, right, 1:08:50.479 --> 1:08:55.439 And this, uh, this Chinese businessman was like reverse engineering there. 1:08:55.439 --> 1:08:57.479 It's kind of Actually it's basically the same story as 1:08:57.560 --> 1:09:01.280 Jurassic Park. And anyway, this guy has gotten sued for 1:09:01.320 --> 1:09:08.360 a bunch of money a raptor cattle. I hope it 1:09:08.400 --> 1:09:11.679 works out just as well as Jurassic Park. Yeah, it's 1:09:11.800 --> 1:09:14.160 very funny. I will say. There's a couple of really 1:09:14.200 --> 1:09:17.720 wild lines from this the CBC story I found. I'm 1:09:17.720 --> 1:09:20.920 just going to read one to you. Um Zoo's activities 1:09:20.920 --> 1:09:23.840 could best be described as machiavellian. At various points he 1:09:23.880 --> 1:09:26.360 outlined a plan to make X Y that's the American 1:09:26.360 --> 1:09:29.640 company quote feel all the time, the sort of damocles 1:09:29.760 --> 1:09:32.320 is on their heads and brag the law is strong, 1:09:32.439 --> 1:09:39.840 but the outlaws are ten times stronger. Yeah. Jesse Jabezoo 1:09:40.160 --> 1:09:44.040 my hero, the sperm Bandit incredible sperm jacker, one of 1:09:44.040 --> 1:09:47.280 the best burglers in the business. This man lives on 1:09:47.280 --> 1:09:51.120 an island with his cow raptors. What a hero. Um 1:09:51.280 --> 1:09:53.760 there was also a case of a Japanese man who 1:09:53.840 --> 1:09:57.439 illegally took wag you cattle sperm to China to try 1:09:57.439 --> 1:10:00.839 to give them sperm, and like the Chinese government immediately 1:10:00.840 --> 1:10:03.799 caught him and was like, no, this is actually incredibly dangerous, 1:10:03.840 --> 1:10:06.920 Like you're not allowed to just take animal breeding material 1:10:06.960 --> 1:10:08.800 into the country without because you know, there's a wide 1:10:08.880 --> 1:10:11.280 variety of reasons that that could be in horribly So 1:10:11.320 --> 1:10:14.439 he got into shipload of trouble. Yeah, anyway, that's my 1:10:14.600 --> 1:10:20.240 that's my sperm stories. Everybody, thank you for yeah, thank you, 1:10:20.560 --> 1:10:26.960 thank you for spurgling my knowledge. Garrison. Ah, we're back 1:10:27.080 --> 1:10:29.720 and James is here to talk to us about the 1:10:29.800 --> 1:10:33.040 kind of sperm jacking that you do when you don't jack. 1:10:33.400 --> 1:10:36.400 I'm talking about jacking your own sperm by keeping it 1:10:36.439 --> 1:10:40.960 inside of you seem in retention. Yeah, it's it. How 1:10:41.040 --> 1:10:47.280 was that, James, beautiful? Unscripted? Did you just didn't even 1:10:47.320 --> 1:10:49.960 write that a Garrison? Yeah, so on the back of 1:10:50.000 --> 1:10:51.720 his hand. He had a brainwave at two in the 1:10:51.760 --> 1:10:53.720 morning and I got that down. Those are the kind 1:10:53.720 --> 1:10:55.680 of things you can do when you've been podcasting as 1:10:55.680 --> 1:11:01.720 long as I in a come space. I've been in 1:11:01.760 --> 1:11:06.760 those saggy trenches for a long time. Yeah, all right, 1:11:06.800 --> 1:11:09.719 we are after all, it works, so let me continue. 1:11:10.720 --> 1:11:12.600 So I'm going to talk about what happens when you 1:11:12.680 --> 1:11:18.120 keep your comb inside you. Okay, yeah, this is the thing. 1:11:18.800 --> 1:11:23.760 What are we doing today? What this is? This is 1:11:23.840 --> 1:11:31.439 critical journalist. We are making content doing Okay, talking of content, 1:11:31.520 --> 1:11:34.639 let's talk about the content of some Reddit posters. So 1:11:35.240 --> 1:11:39.720 the what it's called the semen retention movement, and this 1:11:39.760 --> 1:11:43.960 will this will shock many of you began on reddit 1:11:44.040 --> 1:11:49.639 dot com. Oh my god, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, 1:11:49.720 --> 1:11:51.600 like so many ones. I feel like, I feel like 1:11:51.640 --> 1:11:56.639 because I feel like if you type that into your phone, 1:11:56.640 --> 1:12:00.800 it would have finished the sentence the same autodirect What 1:12:00.960 --> 1:12:03.280 is the auto directed to Reddit? I would believe me. 1:12:03.600 --> 1:12:06.679 We're gonna go there, Garrison, because when you google sperm retention, 1:12:06.760 --> 1:12:11.120 you do indeed find some stuff on Reddit. So now 1:12:11.160 --> 1:12:12.720 they've spun off from Reddit, right then I have their 1:12:12.760 --> 1:12:16.519 own organization, which is No Fat dot com and No 1:12:16.680 --> 1:12:19.719 fact dot com is a community centered sexual health platform. 1:12:19.760 --> 1:12:22.680 I'm I'm using, I'm allowing them to define themselves here, 1:12:22.760 --> 1:12:25.479 I guess designed to help people overcome poorn addiction and 1:12:25.560 --> 1:12:30.240 compulsive sexual behavior, which is not necessarily really like like 1:12:30.240 --> 1:12:34.120 the this isn't not all seamen retention, as we're going 1:12:34.160 --> 1:12:36.800 to learn, is basically helping people I become addiction to 1:12:36.800 --> 1:12:40.519 pawn but so far as that is a thing that 1:12:40.640 --> 1:12:44.120 people actually have. And if someone was accusing Rabbit of 1:12:44.160 --> 1:12:47.400 being addicted to pawn on on his timeline this weekend, 1:12:48.760 --> 1:12:51.400 that would be because I keep Ratio and Jordan Peterson 1:12:51.600 --> 1:12:57.880 with the pornography video that he mistaking. That's correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:12:58.400 --> 1:13:01.200 I just want them to respond, so I could ask him, Jordan, 1:13:01.280 --> 1:13:03.280 tell me in your own words, what you thought was 1:13:03.320 --> 1:13:08.040 happening in that video. I really hope he thinks it's 1:13:08.040 --> 1:13:10.400 like milking, Like they have RFID collars and they get 1:13:10.439 --> 1:13:13.320 fed based on their production level. That would be great. Yeah, 1:13:13.360 --> 1:13:16.360 And what did you you you're a medical doctor, did 1:13:16.400 --> 1:13:19.680 you think that come actually worked that way and you 1:13:19.760 --> 1:13:26.320 could just stick a sucker anyway? Yeah, just get it out, Okay. So, 1:13:27.000 --> 1:13:29.880 after this movement began on Ready dot com, it quickly 1:13:29.920 --> 1:13:33.400 pivoted to kind of offering all kinds of weird physical 1:13:33.680 --> 1:13:37.440 and mental health benefits, and that's where it was adopted 1:13:37.439 --> 1:13:41.080 by friends in the podcast the Proud Boys, and luckily 1:13:41.120 --> 1:13:42.960 we do have a bit of insight into why and 1:13:43.479 --> 1:13:45.760 into the exact nature of the no fat fascism that 1:13:45.800 --> 1:13:49.160 the Proud Boys practice. Sanks to Kyle Cheney, who's a 1:13:49.160 --> 1:13:52.240 political reporter who was reporting on the trial of one 1:13:52.280 --> 1:13:55.120 of the Proud Boys accused of additional January six called 1:13:55.240 --> 1:13:59.120 Zach Rell and that trial for reasons that I'm not 1:13:59.320 --> 1:14:03.840 exactly clear on the Proud Boy I guess it's like 1:14:03.880 --> 1:14:05.640 their handbook, like that the kind of a Proud Boy 1:14:05.680 --> 1:14:09.960 bybe was introduced and into the into the record. Somebody's 1:14:10.000 --> 1:14:13.280 in there. Yep, it's in the court record, buddy, because 1:14:13.320 --> 1:14:15.320 because what the lawyers decided that it was pertinent to 1:14:15.360 --> 1:14:18.719 the cause. So a Proud Boy may not ejaculate alone 1:14:18.760 --> 1:14:22.320 more than once in every thirty days. That means he 1:14:22.439 --> 1:14:25.720 must abstain from portography during that time. And if he 1:14:25.800 --> 1:14:29.000 needs to ejaculate, this is really weird, it must be 1:14:29.040 --> 1:14:34.360 within one yard of a woman. Fascinatingly specific. Yeah, yeah, right, 1:14:34.400 --> 1:14:36.639 And I like that they've they've gone with imperial measurements 1:14:37.560 --> 1:14:40.479 with her consent, so that's nice. The woman may not 1:14:40.520 --> 1:14:44.160 be a prostitute, so that that's the Proud poison nature. 1:14:44.160 --> 1:14:46.760 They know FA fascism. But I think I think the 1:14:46.840 --> 1:14:50.479 way of of understanding why some people practice this perhaps 1:14:50.479 --> 1:14:52.840 best is to is to go on to reddit dot com. 1:14:52.840 --> 1:14:55.599 So I found a post by Reddit user you slash 1:14:55.640 --> 1:14:59.280 Monk one nine one eight one seven. It seems like 1:14:59.320 --> 1:15:03.680 a nice guy and there are four votes. What I 1:15:03.720 --> 1:15:05.519 did was I went to semen retention and I looked 1:15:05.560 --> 1:15:09.680 at you know, sorted by popular posts, found this one 1:15:09.720 --> 1:15:14.200 from a bunch of numbers. And so this guy has 1:15:14.880 --> 1:15:18.000 nine years of experience with semen retention. So I'm just 1:15:18.040 --> 1:15:23.439 going to read I'm presuming it. Boy, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:15:22.960 --> 1:15:26.639 him and some mugs off the coast of fucking lind 1:15:26.680 --> 1:15:30.640 Spark cannot be healthy. No, I don't think it is. 1:15:31.240 --> 1:15:32.840 There is I will get to this evidence that you 1:15:32.840 --> 1:15:36.920 shouldn't do this. So in his nine years of experience, 1:15:37.000 --> 1:15:40.680 he has experienced the following things. Semen, when retained in 1:15:40.680 --> 1:15:44.240 our bodies, has healing, rejuvenating effects. Loss of semen has 1:15:44.280 --> 1:15:48.680 the opposite effects. This may not be scientifically proven, but 1:15:48.760 --> 1:15:53.360 it's proven by experience. That's a red flag. That's interesting. 1:15:53.600 --> 1:15:56.799 Getting Reddit medical advice while attempting any task. It demands 1:15:56.840 --> 1:15:59.759 high physical, mental or intellectual abilities. If we are semen 1:16:00.000 --> 1:16:02.920 tension powered, we would actually enjoy the task, which would 1:16:02.920 --> 1:16:07.519 otherwise seem dull. This is called sexual energy transmutation in 1:16:07.600 --> 1:16:11.720 layman's terms. Oh no, that's the layman's the what's the 1:16:11.960 --> 1:16:17.240 non layman terms? It's got even more. I have no 1:16:17.320 --> 1:16:24.400 idea spermozoic fucking fission. So for peak performance, it's always 1:16:24.439 --> 1:16:26.800 necessary to be powered by seamen, and it would be 1:16:26.800 --> 1:16:30.719 best to use seamen only for regeneration purposes, since nature 1:16:30.760 --> 1:16:33.720 originally intended it for regeneration, and not use it for 1:16:33.760 --> 1:16:36.800 sexual purposes apart from to create a child. If not 1:16:36.880 --> 1:16:40.600 serving that purpose, Master whatever teach techniques are useful in 1:16:40.720 --> 1:16:43.840 not letting the seed out while having sex. At the 1:16:43.920 --> 1:16:45.800 end of the day, don't let your seed out like 1:16:45.800 --> 1:16:51.360 a worthless thing. There's more so, just contain yourself great great, 1:16:51.800 --> 1:16:54.160 which is exactly the reason why core religions are based 1:16:54.160 --> 1:16:58.240 on celibacy, because opposite of regeneration is degeneration, which will 1:16:58.280 --> 1:17:00.439 cause a man to fall into a lower state controlled 1:17:00.439 --> 1:17:02.880 by his lower nature, rather than when he's subduing it. 1:17:03.680 --> 1:17:06.200 We should let seem in retention be part of our lives, 1:17:06.240 --> 1:17:09.360 not something that is done for superpowers. For superpowers are, 1:17:09.439 --> 1:17:12.000 in my experience, the sudden ecstasy that we feel once 1:17:12.000 --> 1:17:15.360 we transition from the degenerated to the regenerated state, and 1:17:15.479 --> 1:17:18.160 that will stabilize after some time, similar to how a 1:17:18.200 --> 1:17:23.640 flight maintained stable altitude after takeoff. Very simple, very similar. Actually, yeah, 1:17:23.040 --> 1:17:26.640 that's that's what you can hear when the when the 1:17:26.680 --> 1:17:28.800 engine a spinning up. If just a dude trying really 1:17:28.840 --> 1:17:32.559 hard not to nut and it makes that noise. So 1:17:32.600 --> 1:17:35.760 excited for the next Marvel film, the where the superhero 1:17:37.280 --> 1:17:40.800 power from Paul Rods and not come so he can 1:17:40.840 --> 1:17:45.800 get tiny no fat man. Yeah so yeah he didn't. 1:17:45.960 --> 1:17:47.880 I should add that this person confess us to having 1:17:47.880 --> 1:17:53.360 elapsed at some point in the nine years. Yeah, it 1:17:53.720 --> 1:18:00.200 stole Armstrong was on steroids. It's just disappointing. Yeah, no 1:18:00.240 --> 1:18:03.719 one would have seen it coming. See what I did there. Okay, 1:18:04.360 --> 1:18:07.679 So this person then urges other posters on the Sema 1:18:07.720 --> 1:18:10.479 Retention subredit to not use streaks to outperform others or 1:18:10.520 --> 1:18:13.160 look better about ourselves or bring others down. The battle 1:18:13.160 --> 1:18:15.320 with lust is a lifelong fight, and the more we 1:18:15.360 --> 1:18:21.960 get better at finding victories, Yeah, yeah, buddy, at finding 1:18:22.040 --> 1:18:24.519 victories over internal battles. The battle, we become as high 1:18:24.600 --> 1:18:31.200 valued men. Hell yeah, I've often wished that, you know, 1:18:31.280 --> 1:18:33.320 if the if the pandemic hadn't been a thing, and 1:18:33.360 --> 1:18:35.960 I could force you all to work in a central location, 1:18:36.560 --> 1:18:38.800 I could have like a wall of murals where I 1:18:38.840 --> 1:18:41.439 put under each of your faces a quote from an 1:18:41.439 --> 1:18:44.639 episode that you've participated in, and James that that would 1:18:44.640 --> 1:18:52.880 be your quotes. The battles lust is a lifelong struggle. Yeah, 1:18:52.920 --> 1:18:54.880 that'll get some T shirts knocked up, but we can 1:18:54.880 --> 1:18:57.200 do a fundraise. We eventually get the cools on media offices. 1:18:57.240 --> 1:18:58.800 But you have a portrait hanging on the wall of 1:18:58.880 --> 1:19:01.000 each of us have one quote under the yeah yeah 1:19:01.040 --> 1:19:05.040 yeah on a plaque with a yeah. We get the 1:19:05.080 --> 1:19:08.679 cool when we when we take over the meta officers 1:19:08.800 --> 1:19:13.519 three weeks from now. Yeah, there is a marketing company 1:19:13.560 --> 1:19:16.400 that has been emailing me for about six months telling 1:19:16.400 --> 1:19:18.400 me how cheap it is to buy a billboard by 1:19:18.400 --> 1:19:20.120 the side of a road and send a message to 1:19:20.160 --> 1:19:26.120 a loved one. So maybe great, maybe I'll do bang 1:19:26.320 --> 1:19:29.679 rang yeah yeah yeah, yeah, Well there will be until 1:19:29.680 --> 1:19:32.320 I put my positive messages about the controlling lust and 1:19:32.320 --> 1:19:37.600 holding seamen inside our bodies true and return ment to 1:19:37.640 --> 1:19:40.320 the former glory. So a lot of the a lot 1:19:40.360 --> 1:19:43.040 of the reddit posts rely on a couple of different studies, right, 1:19:43.080 --> 1:19:46.400 and one of these studies measured participants. A lot of 1:19:46.439 --> 1:19:49.120 what they're doing is a claiming to increase testosterone right 1:19:49.200 --> 1:19:51.760 right at the bat. The testosterone does have, as Long's 1:19:51.800 --> 1:19:57.160 armstrong can tell you some performance enhancing benefits, so yeah, 1:19:57.400 --> 1:20:01.480 you know, increasing your muscle growth, your your coverage from exercise, 1:20:01.479 --> 1:20:05.360 all those stuff. One of the studies measured participants testosterone 1:20:05.400 --> 1:20:09.200 levels at baseline before masturbation and then in ten minute 1:20:09.200 --> 1:20:12.840 intervals after masturbation, right, and then they were asked to 1:20:12.880 --> 1:20:14.880 abstain for three weeks, and they came back and they 1:20:14.880 --> 1:20:18.560 did the process again. Testosterone was higher in the baseline 1:20:19.000 --> 1:20:22.519 measurement at the end of the three weeks of abstinence, right, 1:20:23.200 --> 1:20:26.840 But the sample size was pretty small, and there's some 1:20:27.000 --> 1:20:30.040 theorizing that the boost was actually caused by the anticipated 1:20:30.120 --> 1:20:33.160 masturbation that they were about to do. At the second 1:20:34.000 --> 1:20:37.679 it was so ready to go, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're 1:20:37.760 --> 1:20:42.200 just ready to pop. After three weeks, the second study 1:20:42.680 --> 1:20:44.680 looked at a forty five percent entury, So after a 1:20:44.680 --> 1:20:48.599 few days seven days of abstinence, but even the study 1:20:48.640 --> 1:20:50.840 showed this was a temporary peak that returned to normal 1:20:50.960 --> 1:20:55.280 even with continuing abstinence. So there's there's just these two studies. 1:20:55.320 --> 1:21:00.400 They're pretty they happened a long time ago. Will post 1:21:00.439 --> 1:21:01.760 them all in the show notes if you guys want 1:21:01.760 --> 1:21:04.840 to read more about no fab science. But we should 1:21:04.840 --> 1:21:06.839 just point out that there is in fact a multitude 1:21:06.880 --> 1:21:09.920 of evidence this is a bad idea that having sex 1:21:10.040 --> 1:21:13.479 is actually good for you. Having sex will will trying 1:21:13.560 --> 1:21:16.519 not to ejaculate. It's probably not good for you, probably 1:21:16.520 --> 1:21:20.639 not good for your your relationship either. One would surmise 1:21:22.040 --> 1:21:25.800 there are in that whatever yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Well 1:21:26.040 --> 1:21:28.880 if that's your thing, you do you do you. There 1:21:29.000 --> 1:21:32.839 was a study that investigated the motivation for semen retention 1:21:33.000 --> 1:21:37.519 among semen and retainers, and a lot of it it 1:21:37.680 --> 1:21:40.760 seemed like people were people who felt that like either 1:21:40.800 --> 1:21:43.599 sex or masturbation was unhealthy or wrong or sinful. And 1:21:44.479 --> 1:21:49.240 there is evidence to show that like feeling like guilty 1:21:49.240 --> 1:21:52.519 about yourself or like living with stress and self loathing, 1:21:52.520 --> 1:21:54.080 like that is bad for you, right, and that will 1:21:54.400 --> 1:21:57.720 reduce your test aftera level. There's also some evidence to 1:21:57.720 --> 1:22:02.639 suggest not ejaculating can give you prostate issues, which yes, 1:22:02.960 --> 1:22:07.920 um yeah, there's there's and this is like pretty debatable, 1:22:08.000 --> 1:22:12.320 like most things that people talk about in regards to 1:22:12.320 --> 1:22:15.320 coming and health, Like you can find some studies, like 1:22:15.360 --> 1:22:20.240 the studies on testosterone. Some of them are kind of sketchy. Anyway. Yeah, 1:22:20.520 --> 1:22:24.559 I don't think come or come either way. Um, you know, 1:22:25.240 --> 1:22:28.080 it's whatever. But if you do have a chance to 1:22:28.120 --> 1:22:33.240 fuck one of those Ali Baba robots, I recommend it out. 1:22:33.880 --> 1:22:37.240 Let's talk about come demons. Hell yeah, wait, okay, okay, 1:22:38.040 --> 1:22:44.400 hard hard pivot here from so okay, we we we 1:22:44.520 --> 1:22:47.920 are not going as far afield from the no fat 1:22:47.960 --> 1:22:51.800 people as as as as you would think. Okay, but 1:22:52.280 --> 1:22:55.280 all right, now, the year is twenty twenty. Everyone on 1:22:55.320 --> 1:22:58.880 Earth has collectively gone insane. Uh this is this is 1:22:58.920 --> 1:23:00.840 this is the summer. This is the summer twenty twenty. 1:23:00.840 --> 1:23:03.000 So this is the part of twenty twenty where fun 1:23:03.000 --> 1:23:07.120 stuff is happening. This is like late July, Garrison, that's 1:23:07.120 --> 1:23:13.759 when we met. So yeah, we're getting just incredibly poisoned. Yeah, yeah, 1:23:13.920 --> 1:23:19.400 we share were it would be fun in like twenty years. Well, well, 1:23:19.520 --> 1:23:22.080 while life or death struggle for the sort of the 1:23:22.960 --> 1:23:24.639 life or death struggle for the fate of the United 1:23:24.680 --> 1:23:26.360 States and whether or not people are going to be 1:23:26.400 --> 1:23:29.879 conducing murdered by the cops is being waged in the streets. Uh, 1:23:29.920 --> 1:23:33.559 Donald Trump and Donald J. Trump Ronald Donald J. Trump. Wow, 1:23:33.640 --> 1:23:36.400 Donald Trump Junior. That one. That's that's that's the Trump 1:23:36.640 --> 1:23:40.519 A little drum here, Yeah, Trump Acts. We're you know, 1:23:40.720 --> 1:23:43.200 looking for look at looking for their there they're they're 1:23:43.280 --> 1:23:46.960 cure to COVID nineteen on Twitter. And Okay, so as 1:23:47.320 --> 1:23:50.800 we probably all remember, right, I think they found was hydroxy. Okay, 1:23:50.800 --> 1:23:52.400 so one of the first ones that they found before 1:23:52.520 --> 1:23:54.160 before I remact the this is this is before we 1:23:54.240 --> 1:23:58.160 found so much? Was it inside of them all along? Man? No? 1:23:58.200 --> 1:24:00.519 This is this is this is hydroxy florican the thing 1:24:00.520 --> 1:24:05.360 that was probable. I hope they weren't full of acord. No. No, 1:24:05.360 --> 1:24:09.000 well we'll get to that. Where there there's a The 1:24:09.080 --> 1:24:11.400 road is long, but it ends with cum demons. We 1:24:11.400 --> 1:24:15.960 first must walk the road. So the road here is 1:24:16.280 --> 1:24:21.040 Donald Donald Trump Junior post a tweet saying like this, 1:24:21.200 --> 1:24:26.080 saying this is necessary watching about this video from this 1:24:26.320 --> 1:24:31.560 doctor named doctor Stella Emanue. Now, okay, so who is 1:24:31.600 --> 1:24:36.479 this person. Um she she is part of a oh okay, 1:24:36.479 --> 1:24:40.080 I say part of she runs this thing called Firepower Ministries, 1:24:41.439 --> 1:24:44.840 which oh no, so you don't know, going great. Um 1:24:45.120 --> 1:24:50.280 she's also part of yeah, okay, cool, Yeah she she's 1:24:50.320 --> 1:24:55.520 also part of America's frontline doctors who are yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:24:55.560 --> 1:25:00.439 I forgotten. Yeah, these dipshits, Oh my god. Okay, So 1:25:00.640 --> 1:25:02.519 this is this is very very very much in the 1:25:02.560 --> 1:25:06.800 same vein as architecture nine eleventh truth. They found a 1:25:06.800 --> 1:25:09.320 bunch of people who technically have medical degrees or like 1:25:09.520 --> 1:25:13.640 nurses who were like no, no, vaccines are bad and 1:25:13.720 --> 1:25:17.519 hydroxy chloric clean hydroctic chor clean is well, we'll chlorical 1:25:17.760 --> 1:25:20.680 covid cor qu that one. Yeah, it's it's it's been. 1:25:20.800 --> 1:25:23.599 It's been. It's been a long day. I I've slept 1:25:23.600 --> 1:25:28.040 for eight hours, but in like several distinct parts of 1:25:28.080 --> 1:25:30.720 the day that we're not continuous. It's been. Things are going, 1:25:30.760 --> 1:25:34.719 things are going corect. If you've taken some horse medicine fisk, 1:25:35.200 --> 1:25:36.920 quite possibly, I mean it's it's all like you could 1:25:36.920 --> 1:25:41.760 have gone worse. All all right, So so this this 1:25:42.080 --> 1:25:45.280 person's from the very sketchy doctors who are trying to 1:25:45.280 --> 1:25:49.600 sell like a bunch of random shit to to to 1:25:49.680 --> 1:25:55.240 cure COVID. And okay, so who actually is this person? Um? 1:25:55.360 --> 1:26:01.320 She is from Camera Roon and doctor Stella. An Emanuey 1:26:01.479 --> 1:26:06.640 was caught up in the unbelievably sort of like i 1:26:06.680 --> 1:26:10.400 mean right, like yes, objectively right wing, also very very 1:26:10.560 --> 1:26:15.719 weird wave of Pentecostalism and charismatic Christianity that's been sweeping 1:26:15.760 --> 1:26:17.720 across that part of Africa as part of sort of 1:26:18.000 --> 1:26:20.800 a you know, sort of like a very sort of 1:26:20.840 --> 1:26:24.280 long range of coordinated effort by by right wing Christian missionaries. 1:26:24.800 --> 1:26:27.880 So okay, so for for for people who don't know 1:26:27.960 --> 1:26:33.519 your Christianity very well, the Pentecostals and the charismatic Christians 1:26:33.520 --> 1:26:38.560 are like firmly in the very very weird camp of Christians. 1:26:38.560 --> 1:26:41.200 Like these are these are people who do faith healing. Um. 1:26:41.360 --> 1:26:43.280 One of the very common sort of Pentecostal things is 1:26:43.280 --> 1:26:46.000 this belief that like like you just you talk to God, 1:26:46.640 --> 1:26:49.080 like God's in your head and you just have conversations 1:26:49.080 --> 1:26:51.439 with Him. Now unfortunately for like all of us, and 1:26:51.680 --> 1:26:53.640 this is you know what a thing that is a 1:26:53.680 --> 1:26:56.680 non insignificant contributing factor to why the last I don't know, 1:26:56.800 --> 1:26:59.320 ten years have been so bat shit? Is that? Like 1:26:59.800 --> 1:27:02.599 the this originally was kind of an isolated Pentecostal thing 1:27:02.680 --> 1:27:05.320 and like the broader evangelicals were like no, no, no no, 1:27:05.439 --> 1:27:07.760 God only talks to me like your pastor, Like he's 1:27:07.800 --> 1:27:10.440 probably not like you're you're not like having a conversation 1:27:10.439 --> 1:27:13.920 in your head with but like change that's changed. Yeah, 1:27:13.920 --> 1:27:17.320 this ship has this ship has fucking taken over everywhere. 1:27:17.560 --> 1:27:21.559 It's really bad. Um. And these people believe a lot 1:27:21.600 --> 1:27:25.200 of very very weird stuff. So well do I mean? Okay, so, 1:27:25.320 --> 1:27:27.320 like you know, she she has like some of the 1:27:27.360 --> 1:27:32.479 sort of standard like really really hardline like David Ike shit, 1:27:32.680 --> 1:27:34.960 Like she believes that the world's being run by aliens 1:27:34.960 --> 1:27:39.879 and like reptiles, and like the vaccine has like alien 1:27:40.360 --> 1:27:42.400 DNA in it to like take over your dude. You know. 1:27:42.400 --> 1:27:45.040 This is like sort of kind of Facebook moments Alex Jones. Shit, 1:27:45.200 --> 1:27:48.639 yeah right, okay, but okay, I'm gonna read this quote 1:27:48.640 --> 1:27:51.640 from will Sumner. This is a quote from one of 1:27:51.640 --> 1:27:56.160 her for her sermons, they which is, demons are responsible 1:27:56.240 --> 1:28:00.120 for serious guy in ecological problems, and Manuel said we 1:28:00.160 --> 1:28:03.640 call them all kinds of names and Tremesius and Travisius. 1:28:03.880 --> 1:28:06.960 We call them molar pregnancies, we call them fibroids, we 1:28:07.000 --> 1:28:10.400 call them cysts. But most of them were evil deposits 1:28:10.400 --> 1:28:20.240 from spirit husband God. No, they are responsible for miscarriages, impotence, 1:28:20.360 --> 1:28:23.679 men that can't get it up. So all right, immediately 1:28:23.680 --> 1:28:25.639 we we have like we have there there are several 1:28:25.760 --> 1:28:28.439 kinds of cum demons here that we're dealing with. So 1:28:29.000 --> 1:28:32.720 there are like there, there's, there's, there's okay. So a 1:28:32.720 --> 1:28:36.000 lot of this is drawn from what is I a 1:28:36.240 --> 1:28:40.160 very like a JT. Whitely unbelievably dubious piece of theology. 1:28:40.400 --> 1:28:42.080 So when when when I was res musician, this right, 1:28:42.080 --> 1:28:44.880 I saw, I saw, I saw someone there there was 1:28:44.920 --> 1:28:47.680 there was like a religious scholar who was writing this. 1:28:47.720 --> 1:28:50.360 He was like, oh, I immediately recognized the theology of this. 1:28:50.360 --> 1:28:54.080 This is from this is from a Genesis six so okay. 1:28:54.120 --> 1:28:55.360 So I was like, okay, what what the fuck are 1:28:55.360 --> 1:28:57.240 they talking about? So I went back and I read 1:28:57.280 --> 1:28:59.799 genis Okay. So I went back and I read the Genesis, 1:28:59.800 --> 1:29:02.880 and I'm going to read the two this is this 1:29:02.920 --> 1:29:05.360 is from Genesis chapter six, verses one and two, and 1:29:05.680 --> 1:29:08.040 I am just going to read these two sentences, and 1:29:08.479 --> 1:29:10.639 I'm going to see if you two can produce cum 1:29:10.720 --> 1:29:14.439 demons from this, Okay, happy to do so. I mean 1:29:15.720 --> 1:29:19.519 I could produce cum demons from almost in anything that is. 1:29:19.600 --> 1:29:24.200 That is the power with the right machinery. You know what. 1:29:24.320 --> 1:29:27.679 I think we know exactly what the right machinery is. Look, 1:29:28.320 --> 1:29:30.639 we know that we can produce cum demons mechanically. Our 1:29:30.720 --> 1:29:36.160 challenge here is to produce them theologically. Okay, try I will, 1:29:36.200 --> 1:29:38.960 I will use all of my knowledge. We must, we 1:29:39.040 --> 1:29:41.960 must find a way to evacuate the past deference of 1:29:42.000 --> 1:29:47.519 the soul. Okay. So I'm using I'm using the King 1:29:47.560 --> 1:29:50.280 James translation, because that's the translation that all these psychos use, 1:29:51.680 --> 1:29:54.559 And it came to pass when men began to multiply 1:29:54.720 --> 1:29:57.000 on the face of the earth and daughters were born 1:29:57.040 --> 1:29:59.719 onto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters 1:29:59.760 --> 1:30:02.000 of and that they were fair, and they took them 1:30:02.080 --> 1:30:05.920 wives of all which they chose. Okay, So I I 1:30:05.960 --> 1:30:09.240 do know why they're I do know what what they 1:30:09.240 --> 1:30:11.240 are doing. So the sons of God those would be 1:30:11.280 --> 1:30:15.800 what like fallen angels that have been procreating with women. Yeah, 1:30:16.120 --> 1:30:18.479 so this this ties into like the book of Enoch stuff, 1:30:18.479 --> 1:30:21.519 which was made a little bit like after Genesis, but 1:30:21.520 --> 1:30:24.120 it kind of it like retconned a lot of like 1:30:24.200 --> 1:30:28.200 the creation story. So I can see where they're they're 1:30:28.240 --> 1:30:31.240 pulling come demons from, but it is it is a 1:30:31.280 --> 1:30:34.000 bit of a stretch. Yeah, they're kind you could say, 1:30:34.040 --> 1:30:37.320 come demons in the way that like God seemed. Yeah, 1:30:37.360 --> 1:30:40.759 you could see it. Yeah, it's that's it is a stretch. No, okay, 1:30:40.800 --> 1:30:43.439 my my, my, my analysis because I think I I 1:30:43.840 --> 1:30:45.920 I think they're pulling this out of their ass and 1:30:46.000 --> 1:30:50.759 I think they're pulling this out of theirs. It's also 1:30:50.920 --> 1:30:55.640 come demons. So yeah, they're like I I I I 1:30:56.000 --> 1:30:58.840 have It is well known for people who follow me 1:30:58.840 --> 1:31:01.160 on Twitter that I have an immense in powerful disrespect 1:31:01.160 --> 1:31:05.439 for theology. But what what what part of the sons 1:31:05.520 --> 1:31:09.080 of God? What? What? What part of that gets you 1:31:09.120 --> 1:31:12.439 to demons? And not? Like because again, isn't the whole 1:31:12.439 --> 1:31:15.360 point of Christianity that we are all God's children? Like, 1:31:15.479 --> 1:31:18.360 isn't is this not a thing that they tell you 1:31:18.400 --> 1:31:21.040 in every single fucking sort How do you read that 1:31:21.320 --> 1:31:24.679 and not think they're talking about people and immediately jump 1:31:24.760 --> 1:31:27.800 to come deemon? Like here's what's going on? I could 1:31:27.800 --> 1:31:30.200 I could explain this because this is the King's James version. 1:31:30.240 --> 1:31:32.960 So this was made in a post book of Enoch world. 1:31:33.280 --> 1:31:35.639 Around the around the alleged birth of Jesus, the Book 1:31:35.640 --> 1:31:38.919 of Enoch got very popular, um and this this introduced 1:31:38.920 --> 1:31:41.320 the idea of a fallen angel. The fallow fallen angel 1:31:41.400 --> 1:31:43.360 isn't really in the Bible at all, it's only it's 1:31:43.360 --> 1:31:48.559 only in like non biblical um Abrahamic texts. So this 1:31:48.560 --> 1:31:51.680 this idea then kind of got planted into a lot 1:31:51.760 --> 1:31:54.960 of like Catholic mythology as well. So when they're they're 1:31:54.960 --> 1:31:57.559 caused there they have a distinction between like the like 1:31:57.560 --> 1:32:00.200 the sons of like the sons of God versus is 1:32:00.320 --> 1:32:02.439 um what was the what was? I think they used 1:32:02.439 --> 1:32:05.639 to refer to the daughters the sons of the daughters 1:32:05.680 --> 1:32:10.360 of men exactly. So the daughters are human, where the 1:32:10.360 --> 1:32:13.280 the the sons are like came from God. So that 1:32:13.400 --> 1:32:15.320 is some type of fallen angel that has been cast 1:32:15.439 --> 1:32:19.320 down to earth. Like they are doing a specific thing. 1:32:19.680 --> 1:32:21.679 But it's it's it's it's a result of a whole 1:32:21.680 --> 1:32:24.360 bunch of like mistranslations and a whole bunch of various 1:32:24.680 --> 1:32:27.840 various like christian a Gnostic texts that that have been 1:32:27.880 --> 1:32:30.240 misinterpreted for thousands of years by the Catholic Church, and 1:32:30.280 --> 1:32:33.400 it creates a really weird theology that is indistinguishable from 1:32:33.400 --> 1:32:37.040 like Castle of India. So yeah, I blame I blamed 1:32:37.080 --> 1:32:39.120 Martin lud This is Martin Luther's fault, like the like 1:32:39.160 --> 1:32:46.200 there's things the thing would keep it in high latins 1:32:46.240 --> 1:32:49.080 can't understand this. This is this is, this is what 1:32:49.160 --> 1:32:51.559 Martin Luther. I'm specifically because okay, so this was already happened. 1:32:51.560 --> 1:32:52.960 The count the Church was already doing this right, but 1:32:53.200 --> 1:32:56.519 Martin Luther had a chance to fix this ship and 1:32:56.560 --> 1:32:58.280 he was like, do you know what I'm gonna do? 1:32:58.360 --> 1:33:00.400 Instead of that, I am going to you, I am 1:33:00.439 --> 1:33:02.840 going to turn against the peasant revolts and I'm going 1:33:02.880 --> 1:33:04.880 to do it. I'm going to bring about a level 1:33:04.920 --> 1:33:07.280 of anti Semitism that is going to allow me to 1:33:07.320 --> 1:33:11.479 outflank the Inquisition on the right. She could have been 1:33:11.520 --> 1:33:16.840 fixing this bullshit. No anti semitism. Whoo, I gotta keep 1:33:16.840 --> 1:33:20.639 my patron lords in power. He was German like, there's 1:33:20.640 --> 1:33:24.160 only so much you can ask, that's true. Yeah, well 1:33:24.240 --> 1:33:26.360 I'm happy that we can all go to sleep at 1:33:26.439 --> 1:33:30.080 night worrying about the sons of God and planting semen. Oh, 1:33:30.080 --> 1:33:35.120 there's also that that's that's come demon type type one, right, 1:33:35.520 --> 1:33:38.160 that is okay, so those are those are the demons 1:33:38.240 --> 1:33:40.920 that like they they have they have sex with women 1:33:41.360 --> 1:33:46.120 and they produce nephelim from or sometimes Also there's there's 1:33:46.120 --> 1:33:47.760 a lot of sort of conflicting sort of theological All 1:33:47.760 --> 1:33:49.120 that stuff comes from the Book of Enoch. All that 1:33:49.160 --> 1:33:52.080 stuff is non canon to the modern Bible, but it's 1:33:52.080 --> 1:33:58.280 where it's where it comes from. Fucking Council of Nicia. Okay. 1:33:58.280 --> 1:34:00.600 But there's also there's also a second there's also the 1:34:00.640 --> 1:34:03.240 second kind of cum demon, right, which is these are 1:34:03.360 --> 1:34:05.840 the these are well, okay, so succubine and incubi are 1:34:06.040 --> 1:34:09.000 based here we go. I knew it, I was down, 1:34:09.360 --> 1:34:12.400 it was counting down. Had faith. Yeah. The the other 1:34:12.479 --> 1:34:15.639 kind of of demon. So you have your incubi, right, 1:34:15.680 --> 1:34:18.200 who are another type of sex demon. The incubi fuck 1:34:18.320 --> 1:34:21.439 men so they can steal their semen and they're they're 1:34:21.439 --> 1:34:23.160 there there, you know, there's such difference are reasons that 1:34:23.160 --> 1:34:25.280 there there's another thing that she talks about, which is 1:34:25.320 --> 1:34:28.519 that um, there are witches who have like actual spirit 1:34:28.600 --> 1:34:30.720 sex with men in their sleep. And if you're like 1:34:30.760 --> 1:34:33.880 having a sex dream, it's because you're having actual spirit sex. 1:34:34.520 --> 1:34:37.160 Oh no, no, yeah, I mean like I like Bill Murray, 1:34:37.200 --> 1:34:40.759 I've I've experienced that. Oh no, that was Bill Murray. Sorry, 1:34:41.320 --> 1:34:47.320 my mistake. Oh wait, understandable, Yes, okay, Okay, the cloud 1:34:47.360 --> 1:34:50.200 the fog is clearing. I've I've had I've had sex 1:34:50.240 --> 1:34:53.400 with too many sex demons. It's it's a real issue. Okay. 1:34:53.439 --> 1:34:55.559 So so all right, So we have the sex demons 1:34:56.000 --> 1:34:57.880 who are like trying to pregnant you. We have the 1:34:57.880 --> 1:34:59.920 sex demans you're trying to steal your cump. We allo 1:35:00.200 --> 1:35:02.960 have the actually, we have the actual projecting projecting witches, right, 1:35:02.960 --> 1:35:06.000 and the actual projecting witches are trying to steal people's 1:35:06.040 --> 1:35:08.439 come as part of an Illuminati plot to create like 1:35:08.439 --> 1:35:11.320 an even more powerful witch. And the even more powerful 1:35:11.320 --> 1:35:13.880 witch is going to use gay marriage and children's toys 1:35:14.160 --> 1:35:17.000 to like destroy the fabric of Western civilization and thus 1:35:17.040 --> 1:35:22.400 bring about sort of general new world order, et cetera. Honestly, 1:35:22.439 --> 1:35:26.040 some of my witch meetings, Yeah, it is not as 1:35:26.120 --> 1:35:29.760 far from the backstory to Warhammer forty thousand as it 1:35:29.800 --> 1:35:34.360 should be. That's very sadly true. I didn't want Warhammer 1:35:34.360 --> 1:35:38.560 forty thousands coming to our come episode if I moneyed. No, no, 1:35:38.800 --> 1:35:40.920 it's I mean, look, there's a lot of people who 1:35:40.920 --> 1:35:44.200 are interested in both seem in Retention and Warhammer forty thousands. 1:35:47.560 --> 1:35:51.040 That's a tight venda ram yeah. Yeah, and they all 1:35:51.080 --> 1:35:55.960 play ultramarines. That was. That's pretty good Warhammer forty thousand 1:35:56.040 --> 1:35:59.160 joke for those of you who plays. I also learned 1:35:59.200 --> 1:36:01.400 a couple of days ago that I one of the 1:36:01.439 --> 1:36:03.920 many crimes of the Emperor of forty k was passing 1:36:03.920 --> 1:36:07.519 off and a Miri Bekara quote is his own. Oh yeah, 1:36:07.560 --> 1:36:09.960 that is. That was. That was a good bit. That 1:36:10.040 --> 1:36:13.280 was a really good bit. It's little pieces like that 1:36:13.280 --> 1:36:20.160 that let you know that Dan Abnett's pretty base. That 1:36:20.280 --> 1:36:23.559 was my favorite part of the book. So funny, that's like, 1:36:23.640 --> 1:36:27.120 that's literary cannon. I do have like three pages written 1:36:27.240 --> 1:36:32.080 on contest tanning. Okay, yeah, that's that's that's the end 1:36:32.120 --> 1:36:35.400 of the sum go off. Well, okay. I The one 1:36:35.439 --> 1:36:37.479 thing I'll add on is that one of the more 1:36:37.520 --> 1:36:40.360 funny modern versions of these if you go on the 1:36:40.439 --> 1:36:44.000 Beta Drill subreddit to the Recreational Penetral subreddit, you can 1:36:44.080 --> 1:36:47.160 find people who try to take enough Beta drill to 1:36:47.320 --> 1:36:53.000 have sex with the hat Man, which is another another 1:36:53.080 --> 1:36:57.720 form of trying to subve and shedow people. Maybe you 1:36:57.760 --> 1:37:00.679 have to you have to explain your terms for people here. Yeah, 1:37:00.720 --> 1:37:04.920 I'm not. The man is a tall, thin man wearing 1:37:04.920 --> 1:37:08.200 a hat who appears when you take hallucinogenic doses of 1:37:08.280 --> 1:37:12.400 Bena drill because you can't afford better drugs because you're seventeen. Yes, 1:37:12.760 --> 1:37:15.759 we're younger, and there people the hat Man. Some people 1:37:15.800 --> 1:37:18.760 find the hat Man extremely attractive or some of like 1:37:18.840 --> 1:37:23.000 the female Shadow People variants, and they try to they 1:37:23.200 --> 1:37:26.240 have I have read multiple reports of people explaining their 1:37:26.240 --> 1:37:30.200 sexual experiences of the Shadow People. Anyways, the President of 1:37:30.200 --> 1:37:33.040 the United States and his son were promoting this, so 1:37:33.400 --> 1:37:37.600 this is great. This website. By the way, absolute adventures 1:37:37.600 --> 1:37:40.400 on here. I'm just reading about how to use christ 1:37:40.479 --> 1:37:44.439 blood as a weapon. Amazing. Oh that's good. Yeah, yeah, 1:37:44.600 --> 1:37:48.000 no problems here. Yeah. Do you know who won't steal 1:37:48.000 --> 1:37:51.559 your semen? Everybody? We can't promise that. I can. I 1:37:51.560 --> 1:37:54.679 can promise any advertiser on this show I've personally approved 1:37:54.880 --> 1:37:57.240 to make sure they will not come into your bedroom 1:37:57.240 --> 1:38:00.559 and steal your semen. Wow, how do you do? How's 1:38:00.560 --> 1:38:04.960 the approval process works? Out of interest, I cannot divulge 1:38:05.000 --> 1:38:12.320 private garrisons. We are We are going to close off 1:38:12.400 --> 1:38:18.639 by by talking about a sperm antestosterone um to two 1:38:18.640 --> 1:38:21.240 of our favorite topics for this episode. For some reason, 1:38:22.560 --> 1:38:25.479 about about a year ago, a trailer on Fox News 1:38:25.720 --> 1:38:29.360 dropped for a new batch of Tucker Carlson originals titled 1:38:29.640 --> 1:38:34.040 The End of Men. It opens with the text that reads, 1:38:34.479 --> 1:38:43.200 in the current year, the cycle continues once a society collapse, 1:38:43.280 --> 1:38:47.719 he said, You're in hard time as well. Hot iron 1:38:47.800 --> 1:38:51.800 sharpens iron, as they'd say, and those hard times inevitably 1:38:52.439 --> 1:38:55.920 produce men who are tough, men, who are resourceful, men 1:38:56.000 --> 1:39:00.160 who are strong enough to survive, and then they go 1:39:00.200 --> 1:39:09.240 on to re establish older and so the cycle begins again. Now, 1:39:09.520 --> 1:39:12.720 there's a few funny things about this video, from the 1:39:12.800 --> 1:39:16.439 ripped shirtless dudes milking cows, to wrestling each other and 1:39:16.720 --> 1:39:20.799 shooting bottles of canola oil. They're just at a undranche. 1:39:20.800 --> 1:39:24.200 They're just shooting like ten bottles of canola oil for 1:39:24.240 --> 1:39:28.880 some reason maybe, But the Mussolini's like they're into the 1:39:28.920 --> 1:39:33.640 Mussolini staff. He was by far the most bizarre. I 1:39:33.680 --> 1:39:36.040 suspect they're shooting the canola because it's like a seed 1:39:36.080 --> 1:39:41.920 oil thing. They think that like seeding thing, like sucking 1:39:41.920 --> 1:39:45.120 out your testa sterone. Anyway, it's something very silly, but 1:39:45.280 --> 1:39:48.200 by far the most bizarre thing in this trailer is 1:39:48.240 --> 1:39:52.200 a shot of a laked man with outstretched arms like 1:39:52.560 --> 1:39:55.240 Jesus on the Cross style, standing in front of a 1:39:55.320 --> 1:39:59.040 lake at dusk, with a white machine shining a glowing 1:39:59.120 --> 1:40:06.280 red light on his dick. What and again at the 1:40:06.320 --> 1:40:08.200 climax of the music from two thousand and one A 1:40:08.200 --> 1:40:12.599 Space Odyssey, Uh, there's this. There's this man facing balls 1:40:12.680 --> 1:40:15.080 first in front of this large red light at the 1:40:15.200 --> 1:40:19.280 end of this trailer. I it should never have been 1:40:19.320 --> 1:40:23.080 any cause on our podcast or on Fox News for 1:40:23.120 --> 1:40:26.160 anyone to say the line after the end of the 1:40:26.240 --> 1:40:28.559 climax of the music from two thousand and one A 1:40:28.600 --> 1:40:33.120 Space Odyssey. Oh, that's the thing we're objecting to from 1:40:33.120 --> 1:40:37.200 this episode. That's the light. Yeah, yeah, because it shouldn't 1:40:37.200 --> 1:40:40.200 a climax. It lost its power in that moment. It 1:40:40.240 --> 1:40:44.280 was considering both like the gas. That was a very 1:40:44.320 --> 1:40:50.760 good joke, Thank you. Thank you, thank you for seeing me, buddy. Yeah, So, 1:40:50.920 --> 1:40:52.920 considering both like the text at the beginning and then 1:40:52.960 --> 1:40:55.240 some of the narration that we just heard in the trailer, 1:40:55.600 --> 1:40:58.920 they're kind of doing this weird like calli Yuga thing, right, 1:40:59.520 --> 1:41:00.880 that is that it's a bit of a bit of 1:41:00.880 --> 1:41:04.600 what's going on here, because again you can listen to 1:41:04.600 --> 1:41:07.120 our episodes on Savitri Devi for a little more information 1:41:07.160 --> 1:41:10.920 about this. But it's like this weird right wing uh 1:41:11.560 --> 1:41:15.840 like quasi apocalyptic concept that evolved during an intermix between 1:41:15.920 --> 1:41:18.599 some of the early Nazis and some of the people 1:41:18.640 --> 1:41:22.680 who are currently behind the present leader of India. It's 1:41:22.920 --> 1:41:25.519 it's way too esoteric weird to get into, but it's 1:41:25.520 --> 1:41:28.519 one of the things that like the real Yeah, it's 1:41:29.640 --> 1:41:31.680 like it. Um, We're not going to get into it 1:41:31.720 --> 1:41:35.360 too much. But I think the previous news unsettling that 1:41:35.439 --> 1:41:38.880 it wound up adjacent to a Tucker Carlson episode because 1:41:38.920 --> 1:41:43.320 it's some like weird esoteric Nazi wizard shit. Yes um. 1:41:43.360 --> 1:41:46.840 And that previous November, Joe Rogan posted a Kali Yuga 1:41:46.880 --> 1:41:50.360 meme which went viral. It's it's about how hard times 1:41:50.400 --> 1:41:52.960 creates strong men, which create good times. Which lead to 1:41:52.960 --> 1:41:57.840 weak men, which create hard times. It's a fucking silly his, his, his. 1:41:58.280 --> 1:42:02.120 The the accompanying text on the Instagram post that that 1:42:02.240 --> 1:42:05.880 Rogan did said, civilizations move in predictable cycles. We are 1:42:05.920 --> 1:42:08.840 in the Kali Yuga, the age of conflict. All of 1:42:08.880 --> 1:42:11.320 the chaos we're seeing right now was predicted in Hinduism 1:42:11.520 --> 1:42:17.920 thousands of years ago. Rogan was probably just like parroting 1:42:18.120 --> 1:42:20.240 something that he heard from one of his many fashy 1:42:20.479 --> 1:42:24.200 or new age friends, which, considering Rogan's social circle, that 1:42:24.240 --> 1:42:26.719 could very well just be the same person. Yes, yeah, 1:42:26.760 --> 1:42:29.280 one of his fucking sparring buddies is either friends with 1:42:29.320 --> 1:42:32.000 the Nazi or just stumbled upon a fucking the wrong 1:42:32.120 --> 1:42:34.960 podcast and then told him that when they were smoking weed, 1:42:35.280 --> 1:42:38.960 And you know, yeah, that's I mean, that's honestly to 1:42:39.120 --> 1:42:42.120 It's problematic because of his platform, but that's how I learned. 1:42:42.160 --> 1:42:44.400 Everything about s O Tereca that I learned when I 1:42:44.439 --> 1:42:47.000 was in my twenties was some I was smoking wheat 1:42:47.040 --> 1:42:49.639 with some sketchy dude who was going places you shouldn't 1:42:49.680 --> 1:42:53.439 have been on the Internet. So a few months after 1:42:53.680 --> 1:42:56.760 Rogan posted this meme, we have Tucker Carlson making this 1:42:56.800 --> 1:43:00.880 whole mini series surrounding this hard Times creation strong men 1:43:01.320 --> 1:43:05.080 kind of trend. Uh. It's taken cues from the online manisphere, 1:43:05.320 --> 1:43:09.800 and Tucker posited that weak, unmanly men are leading to 1:43:09.800 --> 1:43:13.280 the collapse of civilization and a hardening of men is 1:43:13.360 --> 1:43:17.400 necessary to save it. According to According to Tucker, one 1:43:17.400 --> 1:43:19.600 of the one of the threats to manhood is a 1:43:19.680 --> 1:43:23.840 quote unquote total collapse in testosterone levels amongst men in 1:43:23.880 --> 1:43:28.120 recent years. And the solution goes beyond just your typical 1:43:28.240 --> 1:43:32.439 like anti soy crusading that Tucker has done in the past. Now, 1:43:32.840 --> 1:43:44.080 Tucker has turned to the cutting edge science of bromeopathic medicine, 1:43:38.120 --> 1:43:49.599 as advocated for by a quote unquote fitness professional named 1:43:49.640 --> 1:43:54.679 Andrew McGovern who touts that infrared light and testicle tanning 1:43:55.240 --> 1:43:58.639 is this day sex makeda for plummeting tea levels in men. 1:43:59.120 --> 1:44:01.840 So obviously half the viewers right now are like, what 1:44:01.920 --> 1:44:06.080 that's cutestical telling that's crazy, But my view is Okay, 1:44:06.120 --> 1:44:09.200 testosterone levels like crash and nobody says anything about it. 1:44:09.320 --> 1:44:13.640 That's crazy. So why is it crazy to seek solutions? 1:44:13.720 --> 1:44:16.040 It's not crazy to seek solutions. And I think um. 1:44:16.040 --> 1:44:19.160 I was recently exposed to a term called bromeopathy, and 1:44:19.200 --> 1:44:21.200 I think there's a lot of people out there right 1:44:21.200 --> 1:44:26.800 now that um are don't trust the mainstream information. This 1:44:26.840 --> 1:44:31.400 TV special is constantly referred to as a documentary, so 1:44:31.960 --> 1:44:35.520 surely you would expect Tucker to try and like interview scientists, 1:44:35.600 --> 1:44:39.800 or like anyone with expertise on this topic. Of course, 1:44:39.880 --> 1:44:47.559 not act not no ways. Andrew McGovern are our bromeopathic hero. 1:44:48.600 --> 1:44:52.839 Works as a personal trader at Lifetime Fitness in Columbus, Ohio. 1:44:53.520 --> 1:44:56.519 And he hasn't even been a trader for very long. 1:44:56.920 --> 1:45:02.800 About a decade ago, a good one. About a decade ago, 1:45:02.960 --> 1:45:05.800 he was the manager of an Abercrombie and Fitch store 1:45:05.840 --> 1:45:12.760 in Mama. Oh perfect, Yes you know, okay now descriptions 1:45:12.800 --> 1:45:16.799 from it looks at the Abercrombie and Fitch store. Wait, 1:45:17.680 --> 1:45:22.719 but in Miami. Hey, if you want to get trim, 1:45:22.800 --> 1:45:27.080 that's where you get trim. That is that type of dude. 1:45:27.200 --> 1:45:29.960 He's emerging here. As of twenties eventeen, he was the 1:45:30.000 --> 1:45:38.400 director of operations for Petland retail stores. You're getting funnier. 1:45:39.880 --> 1:45:43.680 This guy's resume is highly amusing. But Tucker being a 1:45:43.680 --> 1:45:48.120 competent journalist did not just interview one person. However, Kid 1:45:48.200 --> 1:45:51.040 Rock was brought on to be the sole voice of reasons. 1:45:53.240 --> 1:45:55.559 You laugh, But Kid Rock is the other person. I've 1:45:55.560 --> 1:46:00.759 gotten prescription drugs from so real Bastia. In the platonic 1:46:00.840 --> 1:46:03.240 cave of men stands Kid Rock and a guy from 1:46:03.280 --> 1:46:07.080 Apocrombie and Fitch. We must only be their shadows. Dude, 1:46:07.080 --> 1:46:11.599 stop testical tanning. Come on, I mean, yeah, I haven't 1:46:11.640 --> 1:46:17.479 heard anything, Bobby. I'm starting a punk rock band and 1:46:17.520 --> 1:46:20.160 it's called testicle tanning. That's the end of it. I mean, 1:46:20.479 --> 1:46:22.960 don't you think at this point, when so many of 1:46:22.960 --> 1:46:25.720 the therapies, the paths they've told us to take, have 1:46:25.840 --> 1:46:28.080 turned out to be dead ends that have really hurt people, 1:46:28.200 --> 1:46:33.479 why wouldn't open minded people seek new solutions. I don't 1:46:33.479 --> 1:46:35.200 know what the hell is going on in this world. 1:46:35.280 --> 1:46:37.320 I'm not even sure if I understood that question. But 1:46:37.720 --> 1:46:39.920 some days I just want to stop this planet let 1:46:39.920 --> 1:46:43.639 me off. Like kid Rock was not did not buy 1:46:43.680 --> 1:46:47.880 into testicle tanning the same way Tuckers seemed to. Oh God, 1:46:48.040 --> 1:46:51.320 is kid Rock gonna be the voice? That's what I said. 1:46:51.360 --> 1:46:53.240 I said he was brought up to be the sole 1:46:53.400 --> 1:46:55.880 voice of reason again. But we thought you were joking. 1:46:55.880 --> 1:46:59.320 Because it's kid Rock, you were joking. Believe you know, 1:46:59.760 --> 1:47:05.240 he is the only person Kid Rock stands with science. 1:47:05.920 --> 1:47:10.519 It is indeed sweet Home Alabama all summer long. Tucker 1:47:10.640 --> 1:47:13.839 was not the first person to advocate for testicular tanning 1:47:13.920 --> 1:47:18.000 as the solution to an allegedly problematic dip in testosterol levels. 1:47:18.520 --> 1:47:20.679 Dating back to twenty fifteen, you can find articles online 1:47:20.760 --> 1:47:25.160 such as quote former MLB player Gabe Kapler says men 1:47:25.160 --> 1:47:28.000 who want to get stronger should tan their testicles from 1:47:28.040 --> 1:47:31.439 Complex and quote I put a giant red light on 1:47:31.520 --> 1:47:34.320 my balls to triple white testosterone levels from a Men's 1:47:34.320 --> 1:47:37.160 Health twenty seventeen. Is that written by Ben Greenfield? Banny 1:47:37.240 --> 1:47:39.920 chuns because he normally pops up with these things, which 1:47:39.960 --> 1:47:43.760 which which one the Men's health one. Let me see 1:47:43.800 --> 1:47:46.760 the guy who injected to make it big. I have 1:47:46.840 --> 1:47:49.120 it in my show notes here. This was written by 1:47:49.280 --> 1:47:58.160 someone named Ben Greenfield. This baland has won games. So 1:47:58.240 --> 1:48:03.760 proud of you today, buddy, I'm so happy teams are 1:48:03.760 --> 1:48:07.880 you taking? Are you taking performance enhancing drugs for this podcast? 1:48:09.120 --> 1:48:13.400 Shad me rub it? I'm not. This is so funny. 1:48:13.760 --> 1:48:17.320 We have stepped into a gold minded contact with Ben Greenfield, 1:48:17.360 --> 1:48:19.720 the guy who injected his own dick with stemseelves to 1:48:19.800 --> 1:48:24.200 make it bigger. That's so funny. I urge you. I 1:48:24.360 --> 1:48:27.160 compel you. If you have any free time in your day, 1:48:27.200 --> 1:48:31.080 just google Ben Greenfield penis. There will be several articles. 1:48:31.080 --> 1:48:33.599 It's supposed to be rectible outlets. It will just fucking 1:48:33.680 --> 1:48:37.599 make you unwell. Well, that's that is great to hear. 1:48:37.720 --> 1:48:40.679 But despite not being the first person to talk about 1:48:40.680 --> 1:48:45.240 testicular tanning, Tucker was certainly the most impactful. After the 1:48:45.280 --> 1:48:49.320 airing of the End of Men. Testicular tanning showed a 1:48:49.400 --> 1:48:52.880 seven thousand increase in relative search interest on Google and 1:48:53.560 --> 1:48:57.960 thirty thirty five thousand increase in tweets on the topic. Now, 1:48:58.040 --> 1:48:59.840 surely some of these things or stuff like what if, 1:49:00.160 --> 1:49:06.040 like making fun of it, right, Yeah, but also a 1:49:06.080 --> 1:49:07.960 lot of it's also people who are just talking about 1:49:08.000 --> 1:49:12.360 it genuinely. Um to quote a study published in jmi R, 1:49:12.640 --> 1:49:16.639 a dermatology publication, quote, the promotion of testicular tanning generated 1:49:16.760 --> 1:49:20.439 significant public interest in an evidence lacking and potentially dangerous 1:49:20.439 --> 1:49:23.840 health trend. Dermatologists and other healthcare professionals should be aware 1:49:24.000 --> 1:49:27.200 of these new viral health trends to best consultations and 1:49:27.240 --> 1:49:32.280 combat health misinformation. So like, in terms of actual data, 1:49:32.960 --> 1:49:36.599 a twenty seventeen meta analysis of studies on sperm counts 1:49:36.880 --> 1:49:39.879 found that in North America, Europe, Australia, and New Zealand, 1:49:40.240 --> 1:49:43.400 men's sperm counts have declined by about fifty percent between 1:49:43.680 --> 1:49:47.680 nineteen seventy three and twenty eleven. Now, these results have 1:49:47.880 --> 1:49:50.920 not been enough to really cause broad concern unless you're 1:49:51.000 --> 1:49:53.920 like a right wing influencer for men, because there doesn't 1:49:53.920 --> 1:49:58.040 really seem to be an equal drop in testosterial levels 1:49:56.880 --> 1:50:04.760 up problems mankind has had on the not enough yes 1:50:04.920 --> 1:50:07.680 and and like compared to previous decades. There is this 1:50:08.240 --> 1:50:11.120 maybe like a twenty percent decrease in total testasterone levels 1:50:11.280 --> 1:50:14.520 amongst adolescent and young adult males, but that's highly fluctual 1:50:14.720 --> 1:50:18.640 and it's impacted heavily by diet. It's it's suspected that 1:50:18.680 --> 1:50:25.040 pollution environmental degradation are also suspected of being contributing factors, 1:50:25.080 --> 1:50:29.880 with plastics like highlight being known to interfere with the 1:50:29.920 --> 1:50:33.120 production of hormones like testosterone. But this this area of 1:50:33.160 --> 1:50:35.920 research is still heavily contested, but still that has not 1:50:35.960 --> 1:50:40.160 stopped fitness YouTubers and conservative influencers from tying this to 1:50:40.200 --> 1:50:43.680 like the soy boy feminization of men and drumming up 1:50:43.680 --> 1:50:46.480 panic to grow their social media followings, sell their supplements 1:50:46.520 --> 1:50:50.400 and advertise affiliate products. The Kreme de la creme of 1:50:50.479 --> 1:50:54.920 red lights for testicular tanning is the Jeve Light. A light. 1:50:56.200 --> 1:51:00.559 Juve is a light therapy panel company which ells these 1:51:00.760 --> 1:51:04.240 LEDs um They're they're like this, They're like this upscale 1:51:04.360 --> 1:51:08.320 wellness brand. Um. The smallest model they have costs over 1:51:08.360 --> 1:51:11.200 a thousand dollars, with the full body ones going for 1:51:11.280 --> 1:51:15.840 around ten grand. This is when you know it's a grift. 1:51:15.920 --> 1:51:18.160 If someone is telling you that they need to sell 1:51:18.240 --> 1:51:22.160 you sunlight, they are having a fucking laugh. Our friend 1:51:22.479 --> 1:51:28.519 Ben Greenfield advocates a quote that advocates that you spend 1:51:28.560 --> 1:51:31.479 the big bucks on Drew lest you quote fry your 1:51:31.520 --> 1:51:35.759 balls to a crisp with a cheap knockoff. You wouldn't 1:51:35.760 --> 1:51:40.479 want to do that, would you? Unwill Yeah, it seems 1:51:40.479 --> 1:51:43.320 like it's maybe a bad idea. I can teach you 1:51:43.360 --> 1:51:45.960 how to how to how to cook your balls safely. 1:51:46.000 --> 1:51:48.120 Without spending any money at all. Get a pair of 1:51:48.120 --> 1:51:50.559 double A batteries. Take them right out of your out 1:51:50.560 --> 1:51:54.599 of your your your your your remote control. You stick 1:51:54.680 --> 1:51:57.800 the active end in a bottle of water, and then 1:51:57.840 --> 1:52:01.719 you put your hand on your testicles and it'll complete 1:52:01.800 --> 1:52:05.639 the circuit and power your testicles up with electricity, which 1:52:05.640 --> 1:52:08.639 you can then ejaculate instead of come. They'll probably give 1:52:08.640 --> 1:52:13.000 you superpowers too, almost certainly, Garrison, legally, this is not 1:52:13.040 --> 1:52:16.080 a recommendation to do this. If you do this, that 1:52:16.120 --> 1:52:20.880 shit's not on us. Divolition, Please to not connect batteries. 1:52:21.160 --> 1:52:25.160 Dick to quote that JMIR study evaluating the public's interest 1:52:25.200 --> 1:52:28.240 into secular tanning quote. The interest in this topic may 1:52:28.280 --> 1:52:31.639 be partially explained by the men's attention and advertising men's 1:52:31.720 --> 1:52:35.759 sexual health and homeown replacement or homeown enhancing therapies receive 1:52:35.800 --> 1:52:39.160 in the US. Although subsequent media coverage largely disfavored to 1:52:39.200 --> 1:52:42.800 secular tanning due to lacking evidence and potential dangers, other 1:52:42.880 --> 1:52:45.840 health influencers came to defend and encourage the practice of 1:52:45.840 --> 1:52:50.719 testicular tanning, specifically by using UV light as an unquote. 1:52:50.840 --> 1:52:53.919 As an example, here is a clip from fitness YouTuber 1:52:54.160 --> 1:52:59.640 Elliott Hulsey's Strength Camp with one point seven million followers. 1:53:00.240 --> 1:53:05.400 Blast your balls with sunshine to increase testosterone. Now you 1:53:05.400 --> 1:53:07.679 can drop your draws and let your balls get kissed 1:53:07.680 --> 1:53:09.880 by the sun, or you can try one of these 1:53:10.000 --> 1:53:12.599 light panels to roast by nuts and be more manly. 1:53:12.840 --> 1:53:16.400 Nineteen thirty nine study suggests that UV light exposure to 1:53:16.520 --> 1:53:20.479 your testicles increases testosterone by two hundred percent. If you 1:53:20.520 --> 1:53:22.360 want to join me in this experiment, you can find 1:53:22.360 --> 1:53:25.040 one of these bad boys at cozyhealth dot com. Then 1:53:25.240 --> 1:53:28.360 just go to personal labs dot com, get your blood tested, 1:53:28.479 --> 1:53:31.519 get your testosterone. Then after eight to twelve weeks, check 1:53:31.560 --> 1:53:34.519 it again and find out if the nut rusting really works. 1:53:35.080 --> 1:53:38.960 So this whole idea goes back to this one nineteen 1:53:39.040 --> 1:53:44.680 thirty nine. Studies eighteen thirty nine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, get 1:53:44.720 --> 1:53:47.080 chience in nineteen thirty nine. Man, And if there's one 1:53:47.120 --> 1:53:50.599 thing I trust, it's science from nineteen thirty nine. Yep, 1:53:51.400 --> 1:53:55.559 got any comments on race in the study. So this 1:53:55.600 --> 1:53:58.599 study was published in the journal Endercnology, and it found 1:53:58.640 --> 1:54:04.480 that frequent UV irritation to the genitals increased urinary and drosterone, 1:54:04.960 --> 1:54:09.280 a metabolite of distasterone. Increases levels by nearly two hundred percent, 1:54:09.320 --> 1:54:12.200 quote unquote. Now you'll be shocked to learn that there 1:54:12.200 --> 1:54:16.439 may be problems with this study. Guess how many test 1:54:16.479 --> 1:54:19.600 subjects were included in this In this study, I'm going 1:54:19.640 --> 1:54:22.679 to be generous and say eight. So Mia says eight, 1:54:23.360 --> 1:54:26.799 James and Greenfield just one? One? You say one, Robert, 1:54:27.200 --> 1:54:29.679 how many? How many do you think are in the study? Geez? 1:54:29.680 --> 1:54:32.160 I think like seven was sacred to the Nazi, So 1:54:32.200 --> 1:54:35.320 I'm gonna say that five. A grand total of five 1:54:35.400 --> 1:54:38.240 people are in this study. Wow, I give too much credit. 1:54:38.680 --> 1:54:42.040 They had to pick the sacred discordion number bullshit. Three 1:54:42.120 --> 1:54:45.839 of them are fifty four years old and have manic 1:54:45.920 --> 1:54:53.600 depressive psychosis. The other two are twenty Honestly, not a 1:54:53.640 --> 1:54:58.120 bad representative sample for Tucker's audience. I was about to 1:54:58.160 --> 1:55:02.000 say the same thing. This is actually the other two 1:55:02.040 --> 1:55:04.200 or twenty eight and forty five and have a quote 1:55:04.440 --> 1:55:09.920 psychopathia with depressive features, which is very old old timey 1:55:10.080 --> 1:55:14.600 term everyone on Twitter, etc. Etc. But I think what 1:55:14.600 --> 1:55:16.560 what actually happened is I think they did this study 1:55:16.600 --> 1:55:20.000 at an asylum and just found people with depressive psychosis 1:55:20.280 --> 1:55:22.440 to do the study on it. It's just these five, 1:55:22.520 --> 1:55:26.760 these five random people. Um No, no individual graft results 1:55:26.760 --> 1:55:29.640 were produced. It only showed the quote unquote typical reaction. 1:55:30.040 --> 1:55:38.120 And there wasn't even a control group for the study. 1:55:38.640 --> 1:55:40.920 Not to mention, there's many problems with like measuring to 1:55:40.960 --> 1:55:43.560 stosterone in the first place, because it changes broadly day 1:55:43.560 --> 1:55:46.440 to day and by age, and it's very kind of unreliable. 1:55:46.840 --> 1:55:50.120 Um to quote the jmi R study again, quote Beyond 1:55:50.240 --> 1:55:53.440 this questionable study, research has shown that exposure to UV 1:55:53.640 --> 1:55:58.720 radiation may increase sex steroid hormone levels. However, these studies 1:55:58.800 --> 1:56:01.560 either do not include human participants or do you not 1:56:01.600 --> 1:56:06.080 specifically evaluate UV radiation exposure to the genitals. There is 1:56:06.160 --> 1:56:08.920 there is not a single other study since then that 1:56:09.000 --> 1:56:14.600 has done anything resembling like peer reviewed science. You know 1:56:14.680 --> 1:56:18.960 why why everybody go to go to go fund me, 1:56:19.640 --> 1:56:23.320 help cool Zone determine whether or not testical tanning works. 1:56:23.640 --> 1:56:28.040 And we'll get that control group. Well, okay, so what 1:56:28.120 --> 1:56:30.160 my mile question about this? Aren't aren't all these people 1:56:30.160 --> 1:56:35.080 getting fucking ball cancer? We are? We are, Okay, we 1:56:35.200 --> 1:56:39.840 are about to get to that, because yes, you may 1:56:39.920 --> 1:56:42.520 think that shining UFI lights on your bulls might have 1:56:42.560 --> 1:56:45.120 some long term problems. Yeah, it's great that long sound 1:56:45.120 --> 1:56:48.960 strans come back to the episode of gain. So Vice 1:56:49.000 --> 1:56:53.040 interviewed Seth Cohen, a urologist and the director of the 1:56:53.080 --> 1:56:57.040 Sexual Dysfunction Program at NYU lendin Health. Quote, I'm not 1:56:57.080 --> 1:56:59.560 aware of any science or data or any journal publications 1:57:00.160 --> 1:57:04.240 proving that red light therapy improves meltostosterone and quote we 1:57:04.440 --> 1:57:07.440 change recommendations on medical therapies based on a double blind, 1:57:07.520 --> 1:57:12.400 placebo controlled randomized trials, large studies with thousands of patients. 1:57:12.440 --> 1:57:16.280 That's where you'll find if there's any really statistical significance 1:57:16.320 --> 1:57:19.280 between red light therapy and a placebo Could these men 1:57:19.320 --> 1:57:21.640 who underwent red light therapy and came out and felt 1:57:21.640 --> 1:57:24.000 stronger and more manly? Could they Could that have been 1:57:24.000 --> 1:57:27.560 a placebo effect? Of course it could unquote so and 1:57:27.720 --> 1:57:30.240 as Mia mentioned, we have not really even gotten into 1:57:30.280 --> 1:57:35.040 the potential dangers yet. Close direct heat to your testicles 1:57:35.120 --> 1:57:38.800 actually damages sperm count on top of the risk of 1:57:39.240 --> 1:57:43.040 giving yourself ball cancer by blasting concentrated UV light on 1:57:43.080 --> 1:57:45.280 your genitals for twenty minutes a day, every day of 1:57:45.360 --> 1:57:51.160 the week, which is what is recommended to quote to 1:57:51.240 --> 1:57:55.040 quote that study one last time quote. Research shows that 1:57:55.080 --> 1:57:58.760 excessive exposure to UV radiation may lead to higher rates 1:57:58.760 --> 1:58:03.680 of genital tumor formation and decreased sperm counts, as spermo 1:58:03.840 --> 1:58:08.400 to genesis is temperature dependent. Thus, given the current obsession 1:58:08.480 --> 1:58:12.240 with optimizing male hormone levels, the high cost of Redleigh therapy, 1:58:12.560 --> 1:58:16.840 and misleading information labeling of testicular tanning by prominent influencers, 1:58:17.040 --> 1:58:19.160 there may be an increase in men exposing themselves to 1:58:19.240 --> 1:58:25.840 UV radiation and developing associated complications, right heroic, So guys, 1:58:26.240 --> 1:58:30.240 almost done here. But man, it's pretty it's pretty funny 1:58:30.280 --> 1:58:32.080 that all of the worst people you know are gonna 1:58:32.120 --> 1:58:37.800 get ball cancer. Ye don't stop him. Yeah, I you know, 1:58:37.880 --> 1:58:39.400 there was a period of time in my life when 1:58:39.400 --> 1:58:42.400 I had said where I will never wich cancer on anybody. 1:58:42.720 --> 1:58:45.920 But if you are deliberately exposing your testicles for the sun, 1:58:46.240 --> 1:58:48.480 to the sun and the hope of getting superpowers because 1:58:48.480 --> 1:58:53.440 of Nazi science, it's okay. It's it's okay, Like I'm 1:58:53.480 --> 1:58:56.520 not going to mourn that. To be fair, That thirty 1:58:56.600 --> 1:58:59.560 nine study was from the United States, so it could 1:59:01.400 --> 1:59:06.960 I'm talking about the other Nazi science. Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:59:07.280 --> 1:59:11.280 well yeah, um and I think I think of a 1:59:11.400 --> 1:59:14.120 part of this whole narrative of like the total collapse 1:59:14.160 --> 1:59:17.920 of men's distosterone levels, as as Tucker puts it, fucking 1:59:18.040 --> 1:59:22.600 wish Yeah, chasier. But I think this is more about 1:59:22.720 --> 1:59:26.480 men in power feeling that their position of assumed superiority 1:59:26.640 --> 1:59:29.560 is being threatened. Really, all of our quack science and 1:59:29.600 --> 1:59:33.760 conspiracy theory stories today all revolve around this, like subliminal 1:59:33.800 --> 1:59:37.040 dog whistle. It's no mistake that Tucker titled his program 1:59:37.280 --> 1:59:40.360 the End of Men. In all the stories we'recovering today, 1:59:40.480 --> 1:59:43.400 it is the fear of emasculation that is the hook 1:59:43.560 --> 1:59:46.080 used to drum up fear and anger about how liberal 1:59:46.120 --> 1:59:49.960 feminism is eroding manhood. It targets some of young men's 1:59:50.040 --> 1:59:54.320 sexual insecurities while promoting this like anti woke return to 1:59:54.520 --> 1:59:58.480 the old ways of rugged masculinity. Yeah, I might add, 1:59:58.640 --> 2:00:00.840 because I think you're missing one aspect of it. I 2:00:00.840 --> 2:00:04.240 think you're identifying what he's signaling to his listeners and 2:00:04.360 --> 2:00:06.920 what they get out of it. But I also think 2:00:06.960 --> 2:00:09.280 that what he and the other folks who are kind 2:00:09.280 --> 2:00:12.000 of in positions of power and influence in the right 2:00:12.640 --> 2:00:15.120 get out of this because they're not they don't believe this, 2:00:15.200 --> 2:00:18.480 they're not actually motivated by that. Now, what this is 2:00:18.560 --> 2:00:21.040 and what because because we do not know specifically why, 2:00:21.120 --> 2:00:25.160 like testosterone rates, maybe lower white sperm counts are definitely lower, 2:00:25.200 --> 2:00:27.720 but it likely has to do with a massive variety 2:00:27.720 --> 2:00:32.520 of industrial pollutants in the environment, and with the fact 2:00:32.600 --> 2:00:37.440 that industrial agriculture and the process nature of a lot 2:00:37.480 --> 2:00:39.400 of our foods is having a negative impact on all 2:00:39.480 --> 2:00:43.600 these things. Like it's it's consequences of capitalism, right, and 2:00:43.720 --> 2:00:47.240 because the consequences are getting increasingly hard to ignore, the 2:00:47.280 --> 2:00:50.360 thing that people like that need to do is find 2:00:50.800 --> 2:00:53.360 either a cure for them or another way to blame 2:00:53.960 --> 2:00:55.920 or another thing to blame them on. Right. And so 2:00:55.960 --> 2:00:59.680 if the aspect the things that are horribly unhealthy about 2:00:59.720 --> 2:01:03.000 these society that we have built is causing men to 2:01:03.120 --> 2:01:07.600 suffer consequences in their bodies, um, the thing to do 2:01:07.680 --> 2:01:10.200 on the right is to blame that shit on the 2:01:10.240 --> 2:01:13.680 liberals emasculating men. And the solution is whatever kind of 2:01:13.720 --> 2:01:15.960 shit we can sell you, right, Like, that's what's going 2:01:16.040 --> 2:01:19.560 on here, that's the motivation, and it happens outside of 2:01:19.600 --> 2:01:23.080 like man shit too, Like that's all the right has anymore. 2:01:23.160 --> 2:01:27.000 Like their their economic theories have been proven disastrously wrong. 2:01:27.400 --> 2:01:31.000 They have no actual ability to govern in a meaningful 2:01:31.000 --> 2:01:33.120 way other than by causing harm to people. So it's 2:01:33.240 --> 2:01:36.520 entirely about taking the consequences of the world that they 2:01:36.560 --> 2:01:39.960 advocate and blaming them on someone else and selling you 2:01:40.040 --> 2:01:44.080 snake oil to deal with it. Yeah, exactly, And so 2:01:44.160 --> 2:01:47.200 that is that. That is most of the of the 2:01:47.280 --> 2:01:51.440 testicular tanning fun that that I got into. We haven't 2:01:51.800 --> 2:01:56.840 covered all the things in twenty seventeen. We'll get back 2:01:56.880 --> 2:01:59.360 on this subject, but it is time for us to end. 2:01:59.400 --> 2:02:02.200 This is all right over an hour. So I want 2:02:02.200 --> 2:02:04.760 to leave you all, all of you, all of you beautiful. First, 2:02:04.800 --> 2:02:06.800 I want to thank all of our beautiful correspondence for 2:02:06.840 --> 2:02:08.920 their research. And I want to leave all of you 2:02:09.000 --> 2:02:12.000 with this simple piece of advice. If you feel like 2:02:12.040 --> 2:02:16.640 your testicles aren't getting enough solar radiation, simply purchase a 2:02:16.680 --> 2:02:20.880 glass cutter and an old microwave, cut a circular hole 2:02:20.920 --> 2:02:24.080 in the microwave, and you bag it while it's on. 2:02:24.360 --> 2:02:28.600 You'll be okay. That is our legally binding health advice. 2:02:28.960 --> 2:02:46.840 That's the end of the episode. Hello, Welcome to It 2:02:46.880 --> 2:02:51.360 could happen here We've got a bit of a bit 2:02:51.360 --> 2:02:53.200 of a downer of an episode here, but this is 2:02:53.200 --> 2:02:55.080 going to be part one of a two part series 2:02:55.400 --> 2:02:59.280 talking about the increasing war on transpeople that we've seen 2:02:59.360 --> 2:03:03.680 both on the horcle side and on the actual legislative side. 2:03:04.360 --> 2:03:09.480 UM with me today is mia Anna Margaret. How how 2:03:09.520 --> 2:03:13.080 are you doing on this fine day? It's it's been. 2:03:13.120 --> 2:03:16.520 It's been really fun frantically updating my part of the 2:03:16.560 --> 2:03:20.480 script because they're keep being fucking new bills that are 2:03:20.720 --> 2:03:24.040 like going through committee. So it's great having having a 2:03:24.080 --> 2:03:27.800 good time. I'm doing great. I'm not aware of anything 2:03:27.840 --> 2:03:30.120 that's wrong. I assume you all are here to tell 2:03:30.160 --> 2:03:36.880 me that everything's fine forever. Well, hopefully next episode we'll 2:03:36.920 --> 2:03:41.080 talk more about how we can, like, uh, I don't know, 2:03:41.240 --> 2:03:44.440 deal with this sort of thing. I most I it 2:03:44.520 --> 2:03:47.320 was my job to handle the bad part of the 2:03:47.720 --> 2:03:50.160 of this two part series, and it was the other 2:03:50.160 --> 2:03:53.040 people's job to handle the good part. So I don't 2:03:53.080 --> 2:03:56.200 know what they haven't planned for the next episode. Actually, 2:03:56.480 --> 2:03:58.960 all I all I did was watch hours and hours 2:03:59.000 --> 2:04:02.520 of people advocate for genocide and put together some of 2:04:02.560 --> 2:04:04.560 the worst bits that I feel like are still worth mentioning. 2:04:04.640 --> 2:04:07.080 It's probably worth noting that the two of us who 2:04:07.080 --> 2:04:10.040 are supposed to be writing about what we do about 2:04:10.080 --> 2:04:15.600 it both have swords over our shoulders. I can go 2:04:15.720 --> 2:04:17.680 grab a sword, if that is, If that is a 2:04:17.680 --> 2:04:21.520 core part of the advice, I think so okay. So 2:04:22.880 --> 2:04:25.200 I think whenever I put together episodes like these, I 2:04:25.240 --> 2:04:28.600 always try to be careful not to I don't just 2:04:28.640 --> 2:04:32.560 want to include people who are talking about why myself 2:04:32.560 --> 2:04:35.560 and others should die, like just like I don't want 2:04:35.560 --> 2:04:38.720 to include that unnecessarily because that's just kind of a bummer. 2:04:40.200 --> 2:04:43.240 But I think it is also important to actually hear 2:04:43.280 --> 2:04:45.960 and understand the types of rhetoric that they are trying 2:04:46.000 --> 2:04:49.040 to spread and they're trying to normalize, and be aware 2:04:49.440 --> 2:04:53.600 of what techniques and what rhetorical styles they are trying 2:04:53.600 --> 2:04:56.480 to employ. So I've condensed this down as much as 2:04:56.520 --> 2:04:59.400 I can. You will still hear a decent amount of 2:04:59.400 --> 2:05:02.280 pretty gross stuff. Um. I think I should have almost 2:05:02.320 --> 2:05:05.360 all of the machendering completely edited out. I should have 2:05:05.360 --> 2:05:08.000 a whole bunch of things not not included. But there 2:05:08.000 --> 2:05:09.880 will be a decent amount of rhetoric that that that 2:05:09.920 --> 2:05:12.560 you will hear from, just as as a heads up. 2:05:12.600 --> 2:05:14.720 That's what's going to be kind of part of this episode. 2:05:16.360 --> 2:05:17.960 A lot of this is going to be talking about 2:05:18.120 --> 2:05:22.040 hosts that are employed by the conservative news site ran 2:05:22.120 --> 2:05:26.960 by Ben Shapiro, The Daily Wire. They have really, really 2:05:27.000 --> 2:05:33.160 focused in an excruciating extent on antitrans like campaigning and 2:05:33.200 --> 2:05:37.640 activism for really the past year. It got this type 2:05:37.640 --> 2:05:39.920 of stuff got really bad last February, and it once 2:05:39.960 --> 2:05:43.240 again got really bad this February. It's no coincidence that 2:05:43.240 --> 2:05:45.600 this is also the start of the legislative cycle, that 2:05:45.760 --> 2:05:48.440 this is why they're doing this right now. It is. 2:05:48.480 --> 2:05:52.040 It is part of an attempt to actually affect the 2:05:52.120 --> 2:05:55.240 laws that the United States have around if trans people 2:05:55.240 --> 2:05:58.240 are allowed to exist. It is, it is. It is purposeful, 2:06:00.200 --> 2:06:05.200 So we may as well just get started here. We're 2:06:05.200 --> 2:06:08.400 going to start a little bit liked actually, so most 2:06:08.400 --> 2:06:10.560 of this will be documenting the types of rhetoric they 2:06:10.600 --> 2:06:13.040 were using in February to March, so the past like 2:06:13.160 --> 2:06:16.720 month and a half. In early February, Candice Owens on 2:06:16.800 --> 2:06:20.520 her Daily Wire show refer to transpeople as demonic while 2:06:20.560 --> 2:06:25.400 advocating for the total ban of transgender healthcare for all ages. 2:06:25.760 --> 2:06:30.280 The trans Lives Matter protesters decided to occupy the Oklahoma 2:06:30.320 --> 2:06:34.560 Capitol building to fight GOP bills that ban gender conforming 2:06:34.560 --> 2:06:36.440 surgery for people that are under the age of twenty one. 2:06:36.520 --> 2:06:38.600 So that, of course that should be banned. If you 2:06:38.640 --> 2:06:40.800 are in the age twenty one, you should not be Honestly, 2:06:40.800 --> 2:06:42.840 you should never be allowed by I would go a 2:06:42.920 --> 2:06:45.160 little further, Oklahoma, if you really want to do something, 2:06:45.240 --> 2:06:48.160 just ban it altogether. Yeah. I love that because they're 2:06:48.160 --> 2:06:49.960 always trying to be like, no, no, no, we're just 2:06:50.040 --> 2:06:53.480 here to protect the children, whereas we've known this entire 2:06:53.520 --> 2:06:58.040 time that they're trying to stop anyone from being trends. Yes, 2:06:58.120 --> 2:06:59.760 this is a pattern that will come up a lot 2:06:59.840 --> 2:07:02.400 in the research I've put together for this is how 2:07:02.520 --> 2:07:04.440 last year it was their very much trying to make 2:07:04.480 --> 2:07:06.080 it like, no, it's just about the kids. And then 2:07:06.200 --> 2:07:08.360 we were talking about how first they're going to try 2:07:08.360 --> 2:07:09.960 to limit it to eighteen years old, and they're gonna 2:07:09.960 --> 2:07:11.760 limit it to twenty one years old, and they're gonna 2:07:11.760 --> 2:07:13.480 limit it to twenty five years old. Then they're just 2:07:13.520 --> 2:07:15.240 going to ban it all together. And that is very 2:07:15.320 --> 2:07:18.360 clearly what they're doing. And they're they're now just saying 2:07:18.360 --> 2:07:21.880 the quiet part out loud. So good on us for 2:07:21.960 --> 2:07:24.480 calling that a year in advance, but now they're emboldened 2:07:24.520 --> 2:07:28.200 just to say it outright. So kind of Someone's refers 2:07:28.240 --> 2:07:30.480 to trans people as demonic later on a night clip. 2:07:30.480 --> 2:07:34.680 I'm not not including that bit because just today Michael 2:07:34.800 --> 2:07:38.480 Knowles on his Daily Wire show said that this so 2:07:38.520 --> 2:07:44.000 called transgenderism is demonic, the second second Daily Wire person 2:07:44.240 --> 2:07:47.960 to drum up this satanic panic shit. This is demonic stuff, 2:07:48.520 --> 2:07:50.960 really demonic stuff. And I made this point I got 2:07:51.000 --> 2:07:54.360 in trouble with our publicists over at Media Matters because 2:07:54.560 --> 2:08:01.400 I said that the attacks on man end's sexual nature 2:08:01.560 --> 2:08:07.040 and sexual difference in complimentarity are demonic, and they are. 2:08:07.200 --> 2:08:10.480 They go back throughout all of history, throughout some of 2:08:10.480 --> 2:08:13.200 the earliest depictions of demons, even one of the most 2:08:13.240 --> 2:08:17.880 prominent depictions of demons. It comes from an artist, Lafas Levy, 2:08:17.920 --> 2:08:21.280 who is an occultist, who did a depiction of Baphomet. 2:08:21.440 --> 2:08:23.080 If you just think what's a demon look like, you're 2:08:23.120 --> 2:08:27.920 probably thinking of this picture. Okay, okay, all right, that's 2:08:28.280 --> 2:08:34.600 not true. It's it's completely wrong. So this is this 2:08:34.680 --> 2:08:37.680 is really funny to be because for years now I've 2:08:37.720 --> 2:08:40.400 been trying to say that being trans is not demonic. 2:08:40.440 --> 2:08:45.120 It's very clearly alchemical. Please please get your occults terms right. 2:08:45.960 --> 2:08:49.840 Thousands of years of alchemical development has delivered onto me 2:08:50.240 --> 2:08:54.000 estradial valorate. It's it's very clearly alchemy. Um. But also 2:08:54.040 --> 2:08:56.120 it's just extremely funny to me that Noels tried to 2:08:56.160 --> 2:09:00.240 cite Levy, who's like, Baphomet isn't really a demon in 2:09:00.480 --> 2:09:03.640 Lovey's work, but like whatever, it's it's all it's extremely funny. 2:09:03.840 --> 2:09:07.320 He He goes on to talk about Solivate and and Coigila, 2:09:07.320 --> 2:09:08.960 which I've actually been planning to do an episode on 2:09:09.000 --> 2:09:11.400 for a while. But it's it's all extremely funny too. 2:09:11.520 --> 2:09:14.280 Is it worth describing that Bapphamet is the statue of 2:09:14.280 --> 2:09:23.520 the like hornheaded person with like Yes, often falsely falsely 2:09:23.600 --> 2:09:26.720 identified as the Satan or a demon, But yes, it's 2:09:26.760 --> 2:09:29.080 a very famous, very famous statue. Like if you think 2:09:29.080 --> 2:09:31.080 of like the statue of Satan, this is what bapha 2:09:31.080 --> 2:09:33.920 Bet actually is. Yeah, it's it's not Satan, but I 2:09:33.960 --> 2:09:36.960 mean the use of this like demonic rhetoric is a 2:09:37.040 --> 2:09:39.880 very is it's it's very basic, like a dehumanizing stuff. 2:09:40.120 --> 2:09:44.280 Trying to dehumanize trans people, um, while also pulling from 2:09:44.360 --> 2:09:48.120 like the remnants of the satanic panic that still exists 2:09:48.160 --> 2:09:52.720 in some conservatives minds. UM. Moving on to to a 2:09:52.760 --> 2:09:57.000 friend of the pod, Matt Walsh. UM. One of one 2:09:57.040 --> 2:10:00.680 of his recent main targets is actress Dylan mulvain. On 2:10:00.720 --> 2:10:05.480 February fourteenth, Matt went on a mindless rant while continuously 2:10:05.640 --> 2:10:09.400 miss gendering mulvaney and attacking her appearance, at one point 2:10:09.480 --> 2:10:13.839 referring to her as like doing a woman face minstrel 2:10:13.920 --> 2:10:18.040 show routine. Which a reaccording thing about this is that 2:10:18.280 --> 2:10:20.600 all in all of their rhetoric against transpeople, they also 2:10:20.640 --> 2:10:26.080 managed to be incredibly racist yep, and like not understanding 2:10:26.240 --> 2:10:28.520 what racism actually is, which I mean is not surprising 2:10:28.520 --> 2:10:31.240 considering there they work for the Daily Wire. I'm not 2:10:31.280 --> 2:10:33.280 going to actually include the clip of Matt Walsh there 2:10:33.280 --> 2:10:35.600 because it's it's just it's just miss gendering and like 2:10:35.720 --> 2:10:38.200 making fun of how someone looks for like a minute, 2:10:38.200 --> 2:10:41.200 and it's all very gross. Who is that actress? I 2:10:41.280 --> 2:10:44.040 just I live under a rock. Dylan Mulvaney. I think 2:10:44.080 --> 2:10:46.720 she does like Broadway stuff. She's like a New York 2:10:46.880 --> 2:10:50.440 person I've not, I've only i've wholly really heard of her. 2:10:50.520 --> 2:10:54.960 Based on Matt Walsh's continuing rants against this person, we 2:10:55.040 --> 2:11:00.240 can't have cross stressors in the theater a matchin. We'd 2:11:00.280 --> 2:11:03.160 have to I actually don't know. I literally don't know 2:11:03.200 --> 2:11:04.760 how far back you'd have to get to get to 2:11:04.840 --> 2:11:08.840 where people didn't play with gender on stage. I think 2:11:08.840 --> 2:11:12.080 it's impossible. Well, I think the further back you go, 2:11:12.160 --> 2:11:16.560 the worsting guests, because like things were like only men 2:11:16.640 --> 2:11:19.160 could be on stage, and it's like, well, okay, this 2:11:19.280 --> 2:11:23.240 is every Shakespeare Beforeance, etcetera, etcetera. In one of the 2:11:23.280 --> 2:11:27.600 more bizarre Daily Wire appearances in this um so on 2:11:27.760 --> 2:11:31.440 on February fifteenth, a young dad who called into the 2:11:31.520 --> 2:11:35.840 Daily Wire sports show Crane on Company talked about how 2:11:35.960 --> 2:11:39.840 dad's like him are going to cause dangerous problems if 2:11:39.920 --> 2:11:44.000 trans inclusivity continues. The hosts of the show agreed and 2:11:44.040 --> 2:11:47.040 said that violence will be an inevitable response to trans 2:11:47.080 --> 2:11:50.560 women playing sports, which one of you bar up. But 2:11:50.920 --> 2:11:54.600 somebody said something about dad being in the stand finding 2:11:54.600 --> 2:11:57.720 out that for the first time that somebody in the 2:11:57.720 --> 2:12:00.280 locker room was a male, and that they were just 2:12:00.320 --> 2:12:02.240 hanging it all out in front of their girls, how 2:12:02.280 --> 2:12:05.160 I rate they would get. My view is that, yeah, 2:12:05.240 --> 2:12:07.400 we're gonna have not just one irate dad, We're gonna 2:12:07.400 --> 2:12:09.000 have a lot of I rate dads. That's gonna content 2:12:09.080 --> 2:12:11.840 massive problem in the school system, and it's going to 2:12:11.880 --> 2:12:14.280 be very dangerous for everybody because people are gonna start 2:12:14.280 --> 2:12:15.800 taking in their own hands because they're seeing that other 2:12:15.840 --> 2:12:18.440 people are. That's exactly jungle rules, as we call it, 2:12:18.560 --> 2:12:22.920 jungle rules. Exactly at what point do we say, we've 2:12:22.960 --> 2:12:25.440 tried to talk this out and hash this out with you, 2:12:25.440 --> 2:12:28.600 you're not being reasonable. Those are part of my values. 2:12:28.720 --> 2:12:30.680 So it's not even us saying go in there and 2:12:30.760 --> 2:12:34.240 handle business. It's saying, I know what's gonna happen the 2:12:34.320 --> 2:12:36.400 minute that girl runs out of that locker room or 2:12:36.440 --> 2:12:38.960 a couple girls. Imagine if a twelve year old girl 2:12:39.040 --> 2:12:40.440 ran out of the locker room and said that to 2:12:40.560 --> 2:12:43.800 her doll mine, just to imagine that how or whatever. 2:12:43.840 --> 2:12:46.000 Men shouldn't be in women's locker room. But if a 2:12:46.080 --> 2:12:48.600 man that was straight walked into a women's locker room 2:12:48.600 --> 2:12:50.640 with a trench coat and just showed everything and started 2:12:50.680 --> 2:12:54.240 shaking like this and got beatn asleep everybody would be 2:12:54.320 --> 2:12:57.280 doing this, they'd be clapping, great job. But you let 2:12:57.320 --> 2:12:59.760 the same thing happen to somebody who says they think 2:12:59.800 --> 2:13:02.680 they're a woman in there and does the exact same thing, 2:13:02.920 --> 2:13:06.240 then it's no, it's a totally different situation. So while 2:13:06.280 --> 2:13:08.920 we're not advocating for it, I'm telling you what's going 2:13:08.960 --> 2:13:11.400 to happen because I live in the real world. I 2:13:11.480 --> 2:13:14.440 know what you would do for your daughter. Yep, that 2:13:14.520 --> 2:13:17.160 man does not live in the real world. No, And 2:13:17.280 --> 2:13:19.680 it's it's all like, it's this weird like trying to 2:13:19.920 --> 2:13:23.160 have some form of like of a of of like 2:13:23.280 --> 2:13:27.640 denial in their very clear advocating for violence and like 2:13:27.800 --> 2:13:32.120 advocating for the normalization of just assaulting people. I mean, 2:13:32.160 --> 2:13:33.640 I even feel like though this is like, this is 2:13:33.640 --> 2:13:36.600 like last year's anti trans rhetoric, you know, the like 2:13:36.720 --> 2:13:39.280 lowest hanging fruit was to come at us about sports, 2:13:39.320 --> 2:13:44.520 this issue that affects the tiniest percentage of people, you know. Yeah, 2:13:44.520 --> 2:13:46.680 and it's it's it's the it's the blending of the 2:13:46.720 --> 2:13:50.560 sports issue with like the locker room stuff. Yeah. Later 2:13:50.640 --> 2:13:54.440 on in the show, another caller admitted that he would 2:13:54.480 --> 2:13:58.880 assault trans woman, including his own children. And The Daily 2:13:58.920 --> 2:14:01.680 Wirehouse refused to push back on like any of this 2:14:01.920 --> 2:14:06.560 as this man just advocates child abuse. And I just 2:14:06.600 --> 2:14:09.080 wanted to say too, as a as a new father, 2:14:09.760 --> 2:14:12.400 I've got a new baby boy, uh, and I've got 2:14:12.440 --> 2:14:14.840 a two year old daughter, And not only would I 2:14:14.880 --> 2:14:17.360 want to beat somebody up for doing that to my daughter, 2:14:17.560 --> 2:14:19.320 but I would beat my son up if he ever 2:14:19.400 --> 2:14:22.080 thought about doing something like that in a women's locker room. 2:14:22.680 --> 2:14:25.760 It's just again, and I want to make sure and again, 2:14:25.760 --> 2:14:27.280 we live in the real world. We know what's gonna 2:14:27.280 --> 2:14:29.280 happen because we're not even advocating violence, like I said, 2:14:29.280 --> 2:14:31.280 We're telling you what's gonna happen. These are the fathers 2:14:31.520 --> 2:14:34.840 and the brothers and the uncles and the mamas are 2:14:35.000 --> 2:14:36.440 it's gonna get to a point where they're just gonna 2:14:36.440 --> 2:14:39.040 handle business like and it's just it is. It is 2:14:39.040 --> 2:14:40.440 what it is. We're trying to tell y'all this in 2:14:40.560 --> 2:14:44.240 the threat, this it's just a four warning. It is 2:14:44.280 --> 2:14:47.280 foreshadowing what's gonna happen. British are coming. Yeah, okay, but 2:14:47.280 --> 2:14:49.760 but the British is coming. Is a really, really funny 2:14:49.800 --> 2:14:54.960 thing for an American to say about this because he's wait, 2:14:55.080 --> 2:14:57.200 is he saying that they're the British they're trying to 2:14:57.240 --> 2:15:00.600 do like a Paul Revere sing oh oh oh. I 2:15:00.600 --> 2:15:02.560 thought they were trying to be like, we're gonna show 2:15:02.640 --> 2:15:05.120 up and we're going to handle business us. No, I 2:15:05.520 --> 2:15:08.920 think in the opposite. I'm sorry, we are we are 2:15:09.000 --> 2:15:12.160 warning that if this insanity continues, then people will start 2:15:12.280 --> 2:15:16.320 violently assaulting anyone who they suspect of being a man 2:15:16.440 --> 2:15:18.240 in a bathroom, which will also just lead to like 2:15:18.640 --> 2:15:21.680 people assaulting like a like a butch sis woman as well. 2:15:21.760 --> 2:15:24.600 Like no, I mean, it's like this has already been happening, 2:15:24.640 --> 2:15:28.440 like like one of my friends can't get changed at 2:15:28.480 --> 2:15:31.560 the local gym um even though they're assigned female at birth, 2:15:31.680 --> 2:15:34.200 because there's no safe place for them to do it 2:15:34.280 --> 2:15:37.080 because the way that they read, you know, like and 2:15:37.320 --> 2:15:39.200 I don't know whatever. I mean, that's just one example 2:15:39.200 --> 2:15:42.280 of the time my head, but it's just happening constantly. 2:15:42.680 --> 2:15:46.000 Suddenly we have gender police everywhere, and everyone is expected 2:15:46.040 --> 2:15:51.160 to perform masculinity and femininity and like weird sis normative 2:15:51.160 --> 2:15:54.440 ways saying that everyone knows. I'm sorry, I'm just no, no, 2:15:54.720 --> 2:15:56.720 but I think there's something important about this too, which 2:15:56.760 --> 2:16:00.320 is like, and anytime someone tries to say, like anytime 2:16:00.320 --> 2:16:02.320 someone starts talking about their real world, this is the 2:16:02.360 --> 2:16:06.360 way the world really works. Right, That's not an actual 2:16:07.240 --> 2:16:11.040 description of reality. It's an it's an aspirational thing, right. 2:16:11.080 --> 2:16:14.240 And the way that you make something real is through violence. Yes, 2:16:14.320 --> 2:16:17.320 And that's what all this stuff is absolutely and and 2:16:17.440 --> 2:16:21.200 specifically speaking of violence and child abuse. The next day, 2:16:21.240 --> 2:16:25.800 on February sixteenth, Candice Owens was discussing this, uh, this 2:16:25.880 --> 2:16:30.400 like trans kids TikTok video about his grandmother's transphobic reaction 2:16:30.480 --> 2:16:33.440 to him coming out. Um, and it's it's also it's 2:16:33.440 --> 2:16:37.760 it's just extremely grows. So these like these media people 2:16:37.800 --> 2:16:41.199 who are paid millions of dollars spend their days making 2:16:41.280 --> 2:16:44.560 fun of trans kids on TikTok like like random like 2:16:44.720 --> 2:16:48.000 random miners on TikTok. We are making videos about their experiences. 2:16:48.240 --> 2:16:51.640 And they then these these like these grifters and these 2:16:51.640 --> 2:16:54.760 content creators who work on the right, it's like blast 2:16:54.879 --> 2:16:57.000 these kids on their on their on their shows. They 2:16:57.040 --> 2:17:00.600 get like millions of millions of viewers. I mean, this 2:17:00.680 --> 2:17:03.920 is the entire lips of TikTok platform. But yours now 2:17:04.000 --> 2:17:09.320 seeing this across like almost every mainstream conservative influencer. So 2:17:09.680 --> 2:17:14.039 on top of Candice calling being trans a mental illness 2:17:14.120 --> 2:17:17.760 placed upon you by society, Candas Owns also said that 2:17:17.800 --> 2:17:21.360 if she had a trans grandchild, she would beat them 2:17:21.360 --> 2:17:24.560 with a cane. It is a cry for help, and 2:17:24.640 --> 2:17:28.039 your grandmother answered that cry for help by telling you 2:17:28.080 --> 2:17:31.200 that you are loved as you are and that you 2:17:31.240 --> 2:17:34.160 don't need to fall into this trap of insanity. You're 2:17:34.160 --> 2:17:35.840 the best grandma ever, by the way, because when I'm 2:17:35.840 --> 2:17:38.440 a grandma, I get any foolishness like that. I don't know. 2:17:39.360 --> 2:17:41.200 I want to be a sweet grandma, I really do. 2:17:41.200 --> 2:17:43.800 I want to be a sweet old lady. But I 2:17:43.840 --> 2:17:45.760 feel like I might be the kind hit somebody with 2:17:45.800 --> 2:17:47.200 a cane. I don't know, I'll be like, why you 2:17:47.280 --> 2:17:49.840 are not calling your Michaels. I feel like that will 2:17:49.879 --> 2:17:51.920 probably be me, but I will I would have prayed 2:17:51.920 --> 2:17:54.040 for you. You know the thing that I keep thinking 2:17:54.040 --> 2:17:56.200 about with this, with this Candas clip, with most of 2:17:56.200 --> 2:17:58.600 these clips, it's like they're just like laughing the whole 2:17:58.640 --> 2:18:01.400 time they're saying this stuff. Yep, Like it's just a 2:18:01.480 --> 2:18:03.879 joke to them, right, It's like, yeah, they believe it. 2:18:03.920 --> 2:18:05.440 But it's also it's just like a joke. It's just 2:18:05.440 --> 2:18:08.360 something they can sort of like casually talk about while 2:18:08.440 --> 2:18:12.200 like you know, fucking hanging out in their show or whatever. 2:18:13.200 --> 2:18:17.160 And absolutely, because I mean the primary goal for these 2:18:17.160 --> 2:18:21.600 people is is content creation, and yeah, they're making suffering 2:18:21.720 --> 2:18:26.080 content for for and as well as like normalizing this 2:18:26.120 --> 2:18:29.640 type of like violent response. Yeah. And and I think 2:18:29.760 --> 2:18:31.680 I think the sort of joking thing is is a 2:18:31.720 --> 2:18:34.360 big part of how the normalization works. Like I don't think, 2:18:34.959 --> 2:18:37.920 like I think it would be much harder to have 2:18:37.959 --> 2:18:41.360 someone just being incredibly serious going like yeah, I'm gonna 2:18:41.440 --> 2:18:44.520 like beat my child with a cane, right, like if 2:18:44.640 --> 2:18:45.840 but if if you do, when that's sort of like 2:18:45.920 --> 2:18:48.800 joking like matter of fact thing, it helps, It helps 2:18:48.920 --> 2:18:52.880 normalize it enormously. Yeah. No, absolutely, I'm just really sad 2:18:52.879 --> 2:18:56.880 thinking about the because acceptance by family, a family that 2:18:56.920 --> 2:18:59.480 doesn't necessarily understand, but that's willing to accept. It's like 2:19:00.080 --> 2:19:03.960 the thing that I think bolsters the spirits of young 2:19:04.000 --> 2:19:07.120 trans people or adult trans people more than anything else, 2:19:07.240 --> 2:19:09.680 you know. And I've been like reading a bunch of 2:19:09.720 --> 2:19:12.120 history about like trans people from one hundred years ago 2:19:12.120 --> 2:19:15.240 where their family are like, all right, well we don't 2:19:15.280 --> 2:19:18.680 get it, but what's your name now? Yeah, And like 2:19:19.640 --> 2:19:23.959 a hundred years ago, we we could have improved from there. 2:19:24.959 --> 2:19:27.320 And this is something that the Daily Wire definitely does 2:19:27.800 --> 2:19:30.959 continue to harp on across multiple hosts, even like the 2:19:31.000 --> 2:19:34.760 next video that we have here, Matt Matt Walsh is 2:19:34.800 --> 2:19:36.760 doing like this is the same thing they're they're talking 2:19:36.800 --> 2:19:40.840 about if they themselves had trans kids or trans grandkids, 2:19:40.879 --> 2:19:46.200 that they would continue to be as openly vitriolic and 2:19:46.360 --> 2:19:52.480 even violent against their own children. So this next clip 2:19:52.640 --> 2:19:56.440 came like a week after Matt Walsh's first unhinged rant 2:19:56.480 --> 2:20:01.400 attacking Dylan Muldaney. Walsh claimed that he wouldn't stop barking 2:20:01.440 --> 2:20:04.320 the vitriolic rhetoric if he had a trans kid, that 2:20:04.400 --> 2:20:07.720 in fact, he would quote rather be dead than discover 2:20:07.920 --> 2:20:11.320 he had a trans kid. A beautiful and innocent kid 2:20:11.360 --> 2:20:14.520 one day, seemingly out of nowhere, gets sucked into the 2:20:14.560 --> 2:20:17.800 gender call and is devoured by it. All of their 2:20:17.840 --> 2:20:21.679 innocence and light and beauty just drained out of them, 2:20:21.720 --> 2:20:27.280 replaced by this self cannibalizing madness. For a parent to 2:20:27.360 --> 2:20:29.440 see this happen to a child, it is a fate 2:20:29.560 --> 2:20:32.800 worse than death. I would rather be dead than have 2:20:32.920 --> 2:20:37.360 that happened to my kids, then die. We do argue 2:20:37.400 --> 2:20:39.560 with you. I'm not on the debate team. This is 2:20:39.560 --> 2:20:43.320 a mock trial. I keep thinking of whatever these things happened, Like, 2:20:43.320 --> 2:20:46.360 I keep thinking about Matt Christman's one good line, which 2:20:46.400 --> 2:20:48.000 is we should give to Christians what they want and 2:20:48.000 --> 2:20:54.160 crucify them, persecute, persecute all day, every day. So unfortunately, 2:20:54.280 --> 2:20:57.200 there was more to that clip than Walsh just threatening 2:20:57.240 --> 2:21:01.600 to kill himself using like a groomer and protect the 2:21:01.680 --> 2:21:04.800 children rhetoric that we saw go viral last year. Walsh 2:21:04.800 --> 2:21:09.560 promises that mean words are only the beginning. See, the 2:21:09.600 --> 2:21:13.160 thing that I most despise about Dylan Wilvni is that 2:21:13.400 --> 2:21:16.400 part of a movement which actively seeks to turn my 2:21:16.640 --> 2:21:21.200 children into Dylan Wolvni. That's why I'm entitled to my 2:21:21.240 --> 2:21:25.200 anger and to whatever language I use to convey it. 2:21:26.440 --> 2:21:29.400 I will say whatever I want to say, and I 2:21:29.440 --> 2:21:33.039 will be justified in saying it, because these people are 2:21:33.080 --> 2:21:38.320 after my kids and yours and everyone else's. And you're 2:21:38.320 --> 2:21:41.200 worried that I'm being a little rude, Well, you see, 2:21:41.400 --> 2:21:44.200 when it comes to my children, the children that I 2:21:44.320 --> 2:21:47.520 cherish more than my own life. If you think mean 2:21:47.680 --> 2:21:51.279 words go too far, then you would be very shocked 2:21:51.280 --> 2:21:53.920 to hear how far I would really go to protect them. 2:21:54.640 --> 2:21:57.680 Trust me, words are the least of it. I love this. 2:21:58.560 --> 2:22:02.120 I would do anything to protect my children, unless they're 2:22:02.160 --> 2:22:05.320 a gay, in which case I'm good, like off myself 2:22:05.400 --> 2:22:07.879 or something like yeah, just I mean, I mean, I 2:22:07.920 --> 2:22:13.119 don't know whatever. Already the legally actionable things have already 2:22:13.120 --> 2:22:17.160 been said. Hey, it's it's not my idea, it's only 2:22:17.200 --> 2:22:21.440 Matt Walsh's. This is his idea. You know. I do 2:22:21.560 --> 2:22:23.880 want to go back for a second to the early 2:22:23.959 --> 2:22:26.320 parts of this clip when he's talking about like, oh, 2:22:26.360 --> 2:22:28.360 like you have these like purean innocent children, and like 2:22:28.360 --> 2:22:30.440 the light goes out of him, like it's this thing 2:22:30.440 --> 2:22:32.959 that strikes you about that so much? Is like she's 2:22:33.040 --> 2:22:37.959 describing the process exactly in reverse, Like the thing that 2:22:38.000 --> 2:22:40.440 he's describing is what is like, this is what happens 2:22:40.440 --> 2:22:44.520 if you do transition a kid like by force, Like 2:22:44.680 --> 2:22:47.280 the thing that actually happens when a trans kid transitions 2:22:47.400 --> 2:22:49.880 is like you can you can literally see this in 2:22:50.000 --> 2:22:52.440 like like you can you can like literally see this 2:22:52.480 --> 2:22:55.040 in pictures of kids. It's like like you can wash 2:22:55.120 --> 2:22:59.680 the light come back to their eyes as a transition totally. No, yeah, yeah, 2:23:00.080 --> 2:23:01.680 it's you know, it's it's it's one of sort of 2:23:01.840 --> 2:23:04.160 like it's one of the most beautiful things about being 2:23:04.200 --> 2:23:07.360 trans It's like is experiencing that joy and experiencing like 2:23:07.879 --> 2:23:09.480 what it is to be yourself and then you get 2:23:09.480 --> 2:23:14.200 to watch this fucking dipshit like just literally just like 2:23:14.720 --> 2:23:17.640 taking the process as it actually happens, and then like 2:23:17.760 --> 2:23:21.280 lying and saying it's like literally like lying and saying 2:23:21.280 --> 2:23:23.560 that the thing that is making these people have this 2:23:23.680 --> 2:23:27.000 joy is the like the thing that's fucking killing them. No. 2:23:27.280 --> 2:23:30.240 Absolutely that that's something that's often overlooked when covering this 2:23:30.320 --> 2:23:34.600 sort of thing, is the like just the presence of 2:23:34.760 --> 2:23:38.359 trans joy and the trans joy that can be experienced 2:23:38.400 --> 2:23:41.959 when people are given access to the treatments that have 2:23:42.040 --> 2:23:45.240 been like known to be successful for decades now. It's 2:23:45.280 --> 2:23:46.879 also I mean, I don't know if you're intentionally going 2:23:46.920 --> 2:23:49.360 in an escalating sense. This is the first person that 2:23:49.400 --> 2:23:52.480 I'm looking at being like, oh, this man wants to 2:23:52.600 --> 2:23:55.920 kill me, you know I am I am going in 2:23:55.920 --> 2:23:59.640 an escalating Yeah, yeah, we escalate pretty far over the 2:23:59.640 --> 2:24:02.560 next First, I think let's let's have a bit of 2:24:02.560 --> 2:24:05.800 an ad break. Do you know who doesn't want to 2:24:05.879 --> 2:24:10.160 kill you? Fifty percent of the advertisers, at least at 2:24:10.280 --> 2:24:12.920 least fifty percent of the advertisers don't want you dead 2:24:12.959 --> 2:24:16.400 because instead they want your money. All right, we are back, 2:24:17.480 --> 2:24:20.760 as as previously stated, Like when when reporting on this 2:24:20.800 --> 2:24:24.640 topic before, we've always said that the limited focus on 2:24:24.680 --> 2:24:30.560 transgender miners was simply a form of rhetorical deception. Oh, 2:24:30.920 --> 2:24:35.959 somebody please think of the children. By conjuring concerns that 2:24:36.040 --> 2:24:39.040 have been like culturally ingrained in US around the protection 2:24:39.040 --> 2:24:43.199 of children, Anti transactivists have been introducing and a normalizing 2:24:43.280 --> 2:24:47.279 anti trans talking points that inevitably get used against trans 2:24:47.320 --> 2:24:51.120 people of all ages. Last year, Matt Walsh openly said 2:24:51.160 --> 2:24:53.760 that quote, it should be illegal for doctors to medically 2:24:53.800 --> 2:24:59.840 transition anyone of any age unquote. And as Margaret said, 2:25:00.000 --> 2:25:01.520 it seems like we were we were moving in a 2:25:01.560 --> 2:25:05.120 more escalating direction, but that that just so happens to 2:25:05.160 --> 2:25:09.560 corresponds as the month of February continued. So here's a 2:25:09.560 --> 2:25:12.560 clip from Daily Wire host Michael Knowles from the late 2:25:12.600 --> 2:25:16.320 February twenty twenty three. In order for women to have 2:25:16.360 --> 2:25:18.680 the right to have their own bathrooms, you have to 2:25:18.720 --> 2:25:23.320 ban transgenderism entirely. You can't just ban it for the kids. 2:25:23.320 --> 2:25:25.400 It's got to be entirely. In order for women to 2:25:25.400 --> 2:25:27.400 be able to have their own locker rooms at the gym, 2:25:27.480 --> 2:25:32.320 you have to ban transgenderism entirely. In order to protect 2:25:32.360 --> 2:25:37.680 businesses from having to participate in weird occult sexual rituals 2:25:37.720 --> 2:25:43.400 like the transgender transition, you have to ban transgenderism entirely. 2:25:44.240 --> 2:25:49.080 So that is just like straight up advocating for genocide, right, Like, yeah, 2:25:48.800 --> 2:25:52.840 there there is no difference between this term that the 2:25:52.920 --> 2:25:58.480 daily Wire people use, transgenderism and and currently existing transgender people. 2:25:58.560 --> 2:26:01.160 That that isn't you It's like saying, we have to 2:26:01.160 --> 2:26:04.200 eradicate judaism, Like what what is it? What do you 2:26:04.280 --> 2:26:08.040 mean by that? You obviously mean exterminating human beings and 2:26:08.160 --> 2:26:11.039 making it impossible for them to continue on? Like that 2:26:11.160 --> 2:26:13.600 is that? That is what genocide is? Yeah, and you 2:26:13.600 --> 2:26:15.720 can hear me like literally the next thing he says 2:26:15.920 --> 2:26:18.400 is like you know, he's talking about like like transition 2:26:18.440 --> 2:26:20.440 angas and the cult ritual or whatever the fuck it. 2:26:20.400 --> 2:26:23.000 It's like well, yeah, no, like like he's he's explicitly saying, 2:26:23.800 --> 2:26:27.560 like what what Yeah, what does banning transgenderism means? Does it? Never? 2:26:27.640 --> 2:26:30.240 Like confuse you all when you just have these moments 2:26:30.240 --> 2:26:34.160 where you're like, these people believe in sky Daddy. Like 2:26:34.200 --> 2:26:36.959 I'm not even anti religious, I'm not even an atheist. 2:26:37.080 --> 2:26:39.760 I don't know exactly what I am. But like when 2:26:39.760 --> 2:26:43.520 you hear people just being like God has willed me 2:26:43.600 --> 2:26:46.840 to do this murder or whatever, that this is what 2:26:46.840 --> 2:26:49.080 this person is saying, I'm just like they think of 2:26:49.080 --> 2:26:51.879 themselves as like holy warriors who have been chosen by 2:26:51.959 --> 2:26:57.720 God to eradicate this demonic plague that is infecting like humankind. Yeah, 2:26:57.800 --> 2:27:01.400 it would be like if all of the sudden they 2:27:01.400 --> 2:27:04.600 were like, and that's why Gandolf has told me that 2:27:04.720 --> 2:27:07.120 I must go on a quest. Like I'm just like, 2:27:07.560 --> 2:27:10.040 am I living in the same century as these people? 2:27:10.160 --> 2:27:14.600 Like again, not an atheist, but I'm just like you've 2:27:14.640 --> 2:27:17.800 decided that sky Daddy has told you to march off 2:27:17.840 --> 2:27:21.920 to murder, Like yeah, that doesn't even map to a 2:27:22.120 --> 2:27:28.119 fucking basic understanding even of religious anyway. Sorry, no, absolutely, 2:27:28.160 --> 2:27:33.520 And I mean this unfortunately continues to get worse Yeah. 2:27:33.560 --> 2:27:36.760 The very next day, Michael Knowles defended his eliminationis rhetoric 2:27:36.840 --> 2:27:40.280 in another unhinged rant about the like probably about two 2:27:40.320 --> 2:27:43.400 million trans people in the United States, saying that quote, 2:27:43.560 --> 2:27:47.120 there can't be a genocide of trans people because it's quote, 2:27:47.400 --> 2:27:51.400 not a legitimate category of being. They said that I 2:27:51.480 --> 2:27:58.280 was calling for the extermination of transgender people. They said 2:27:58.320 --> 2:28:01.080 I was calling for a genocide. I said, what, I 2:28:01.160 --> 2:28:02.879 must have missed that part of my show. When did 2:28:02.920 --> 2:28:07.080 I did? I say that? I don't one. I don't 2:28:07.120 --> 2:28:11.040 know how you could have a genocide of transgender people 2:28:12.040 --> 2:28:17.360 because genocide refers to genes, It refers to genetics, it 2:28:17.400 --> 2:28:21.440 refers to biology, and the point of those genderism is 2:28:21.480 --> 2:28:24.360 that it has nothing to do with biology. That's what 2:28:24.440 --> 2:28:28.240 the transgender activists say. They say, forget about biological sex. 2:28:28.520 --> 2:28:31.520 My gender expression doesn't have to have anything to do 2:28:31.640 --> 2:28:33.920 with my biological sex. Okay, well, then there can't be 2:28:33.959 --> 2:28:38.120 a genocide. It refers to genetics. But furthermore, nobody is 2:28:38.120 --> 2:28:40.959 calling to exterminate anybody, because the other problem with that 2:28:42.120 --> 2:28:49.080 statement is that transgender people is not a real ontological category. 2:28:49.200 --> 2:28:54.320 It's not a legitimate category of being. There are people 2:28:54.360 --> 2:28:57.279 who think that they're the wrong sex, but they're mistaken. 2:28:57.560 --> 2:29:01.039 They're laboring under a delusion, and so we need to 2:29:01.080 --> 2:29:04.560 correct that delusion. Okay, so that was that was a lot. 2:29:04.800 --> 2:29:08.480 I'm just clinging to my emotional support sword, Like, what 2:29:08.480 --> 2:29:12.880 what solution to preytel will you be employing to correct 2:29:13.000 --> 2:29:16.360 that's so called delusion? Maybe just like one one once, 2:29:16.640 --> 2:29:19.200 like a like one one of the last one, Yeah, 2:29:19.680 --> 2:29:23.000 a fal one. Not the penultimate solution, that's not his 2:29:23.000 --> 2:29:27.120 his thing. No one step further the the very the 2:29:27.280 --> 2:29:29.440 very last one. I can't think of a of a 2:29:29.640 --> 2:29:32.320 of a of another word for for for very last. 2:29:32.440 --> 2:29:36.279 But yeah, I also like, have these motherfucker's karrotyped themselves? 2:29:36.600 --> 2:29:40.200 No one has almost no one has been goddamn like 2:29:40.240 --> 2:29:44.280 the percentage of people who've seen what their genes are like, 2:29:45.240 --> 2:29:47.640 I don't know, whatever, sense it's nonsense. Yeah, the the 2:29:47.760 --> 2:29:50.800 science does not hold up to the like thing you 2:29:50.879 --> 2:29:53.400 learn in fourth grade that the you know, I don't 2:29:53.440 --> 2:29:55.320 know when they teach you xx and x y or whatever. 2:29:55.360 --> 2:29:58.040 But it's like, but like that's not science. That's not 2:29:58.080 --> 2:30:00.920 the current scientific understanding, and I think has never really 2:30:00.959 --> 2:30:02.959 been the scientific understanding. That part I'm not as certain 2:30:03.000 --> 2:30:06.760 about um no, I mean like it's and by saying 2:30:07.000 --> 2:30:09.560 like I'm not calling for genocide because the group I'm 2:30:09.560 --> 2:30:11.560 targeting aren't even a real group of people, They're not 2:30:11.600 --> 2:30:14.720 even literally it's literally the talking point of every single 2:30:14.800 --> 2:30:17.800 genocide or fascist ever in existence. So like like literally 2:30:17.879 --> 2:30:20.600 literally this is I can't I cannot find the person 2:30:20.600 --> 2:30:23.560 who was writing about this. I apologize immensely. But there 2:30:23.600 --> 2:30:25.640 when when when this clip was first circulating, there was 2:30:25.680 --> 2:30:29.039 a really interesting article about that was circulating about how 2:30:29.520 --> 2:30:33.480 like not a legitimate category is what like the word 2:30:34.000 --> 2:30:37.160 that gets translated as degenerate like that the Nazis used 2:30:37.320 --> 2:30:40.680 like actually means like like that's like non legitimate kind 2:30:40.879 --> 2:30:44.360 like like that very specifically is what the Nazis used 2:30:45.120 --> 2:30:47.720 as like you know, as as they're staying for we 2:30:47.760 --> 2:30:49.760 need to kill the Jews, right like that, that's that's 2:30:49.800 --> 2:30:52.480 that's very very specifically what they were doing now and 2:30:52.480 --> 2:30:57.119 and like genocide does not refer to genetics, it doesn't. 2:30:57.480 --> 2:30:59.240 And and and you know, you know you can you can 2:30:59.280 --> 2:31:02.160 look at like think because like these people are like 2:31:02.400 --> 2:31:06.680 just unfathomably fucking stupid, right like they they they look 2:31:06.680 --> 2:31:09.640 at genocide, right and they see the word gen and 2:31:09.680 --> 2:31:13.440 they go, this means gen No. But you know, and 2:31:13.520 --> 2:31:16.320 I think, I think something that is worth mentioning is that. 2:31:17.080 --> 2:31:21.240 So Raphael Lemkin is the guy who coins the term genocide, right, Um, 2:31:21.840 --> 2:31:25.240 the Lemkin Institute, which is the the like the lempicin Scitude, 2:31:25.240 --> 2:31:27.720 which is the institute from this guy that that does 2:31:27.800 --> 2:31:31.720 genoisde like does anti genocide prevention works specifically in the US. 2:31:31.879 --> 2:31:33.800 Was like there was now a risk of genocide against 2:31:33.800 --> 2:31:37.320 trans people. So, you know, the institute of the actual 2:31:37.400 --> 2:31:40.600 guy who made the term genocide versus a guy who 2:31:40.640 --> 2:31:45.600 thinks that gen means gene. It's like, it's just no, 2:31:45.680 --> 2:31:49.120 It's it's very obvious that that saying that transgender people 2:31:49.120 --> 2:31:53.520 are not a real ontological category is like he's doing 2:31:54.200 --> 2:31:56.520 He's literally is how you do the Nazis did That 2:31:56.640 --> 2:32:00.240 is how you do Nazi stuff. Like I'm under the 2:32:00.240 --> 2:32:02.240 impression of the whole thing with ontology is accepting that 2:32:02.280 --> 2:32:06.279 there's like multiple ontologies, Like it's clearly not an ontological 2:32:06.320 --> 2:32:09.280 concept in his ontological like his way of viewing the world. 2:32:09.920 --> 2:32:12.760 That's one of my problems, you know, I don't think 2:32:12.760 --> 2:32:15.640 he would pass a basic philosophy of course at college. 2:32:15.640 --> 2:32:17.520 You know, okay, I will say this, my my, my, 2:32:17.520 --> 2:32:21.600 my argument against against specifically against there being multiple legitimate 2:32:21.640 --> 2:32:24.960 ontologies is this is this these people's fucking ontology who 2:32:25.040 --> 2:32:28.360 like believe that, like these people, all these fucking freaks 2:32:28.440 --> 2:32:32.040 literally believe individually right, that there is no scientific explanation 2:32:32.040 --> 2:32:34.600 for lightning and that like every act of lightning is 2:32:34.640 --> 2:32:38.279 an individual act of God, that is not a legitimate ontology. 2:32:38.440 --> 2:32:42.039 Like fuck that shit. No, I I refuse, I refuse 2:32:42.760 --> 2:32:45.880 to do fucking to have to have to have there 2:32:45.920 --> 2:32:48.760 be fucking multiple valid ontological positions. I refuse for there 2:32:48.800 --> 2:32:53.440 to be valid worlds like no, there's something that are 2:32:53.560 --> 2:32:55.520 just wrong, and you have to be able to say 2:32:55.560 --> 2:32:59.520 that shit otherwise you get this fucking bullshit reality tunnels 2:32:59.600 --> 2:33:04.560 do do be funny like that? He later added quote 2:33:04.720 --> 2:33:08.400 transgenderism ultimately is a lie, It's a deception. It is 2:33:08.400 --> 2:33:11.920 a fraud. Fraud is not protected by the First Amendment. 2:33:12.360 --> 2:33:15.480 Fraud is not a category protected by the principles of 2:33:15.520 --> 2:33:19.360 a free speech. You have no right to fraud. But 2:33:19.560 --> 2:33:21.640 you know, here's the thing, I will I will agree 2:33:21.640 --> 2:33:23.280 with him. You have no right to fraud. Fraud is 2:33:23.280 --> 2:33:28.400 not protected by free speech. I really like have have 2:33:28.560 --> 2:33:30.680 a real fun time when we fucking come for you 2:33:30.720 --> 2:33:36.360 on those principles, like a show disappears a few days 2:33:36.440 --> 2:33:39.560 of A few days later, Noles once again invoked grooma 2:33:39.600 --> 2:33:44.800 rhetoric and openly called drag Queen's pedophiles and explicitly called 2:33:44.840 --> 2:33:48.119 on quote the heavy hand of the state to shut 2:33:48.200 --> 2:33:52.000 down to drag shows and arrest performers and parents. Why 2:33:52.120 --> 2:33:56.480 is he dressed like um mister Rogers in a Black 2:33:56.560 --> 2:34:02.920 Marre episode. He's just he's just mirror universe. Mister Rogers's 2:34:03.000 --> 2:34:05.280 like just telling you to hate your neighbor. You know, 2:34:07.879 --> 2:34:09.920 I don't know how you can watch this and not 2:34:10.080 --> 2:34:13.720 conclude that the performers are pedophiles. I don't use that 2:34:13.760 --> 2:34:15.080 word lightly. I know a lot of people on the 2:34:15.160 --> 2:34:16.760 right use that word. They fling it around, and they 2:34:16.840 --> 2:34:19.800 use it in precisely. I don't see how you can 2:34:19.920 --> 2:34:22.760 dance around in a thong or in a leather harness 2:34:22.879 --> 2:34:25.400 in front of babies and toddlers if you are not 2:34:25.440 --> 2:34:29.040 a pedophile. So I would bet if not the farm, 2:34:29.040 --> 2:34:31.440 I'd bet a lot of my money that that's the case, 2:34:31.520 --> 2:34:34.840 and that's being normalized. I don't see how these parents 2:34:34.879 --> 2:34:38.680 should be permitted to keep their children. They're abusing your children, 2:34:38.680 --> 2:34:41.240 are sexually abusing your children by taking them to these events. 2:34:41.600 --> 2:34:44.240 I don't see how whatever company is hosting this should 2:34:44.240 --> 2:34:46.720 be allowed to keep its doors open. All of this 2:34:46.760 --> 2:34:49.320 should be shut down by the heavy hand of the state. 2:34:49.879 --> 2:34:52.560 All of these people other than the children should be arrested, 2:34:53.240 --> 2:34:56.640 and some of them should face pretty severe consequences. Not 2:34:57.160 --> 2:35:00.840 great stuff. He did hedge his bets. He was like, 2:35:01.040 --> 2:35:03.440 you know, I'm actually not sure about this. That was 2:35:03.480 --> 2:35:06.600 my favorite part. I think it is. It is interesting 2:35:06.640 --> 2:35:10.960 that the whole heavy hand of the state line is 2:35:09.879 --> 2:35:14.600 is is an interesting, little little unique gem in their 2:35:14.640 --> 2:35:17.160 style of rhetoric whenever they explicitly call on the powers 2:35:17.160 --> 2:35:20.879 of the government to like do fascism. I think a 2:35:20.920 --> 2:35:22.760 lot of this type of rhetoric was leading up to 2:35:22.840 --> 2:35:27.120 Sea Pack in which happened in early March. During Seapack, 2:35:27.160 --> 2:35:30.360 anti trans rhetoric was a very central theme across There 2:35:30.360 --> 2:35:33.440 are many speakers. That's like the big right wing gathering 2:35:33.480 --> 2:35:35.959 where all the far right people get together and talk 2:35:36.040 --> 2:35:39.680 to an empty room. Well, Seapack is the Conservative political 2:35:39.720 --> 2:35:44.080 action conference. It is far right by the world's over 2:35:44.120 --> 2:35:47.039 to the window. But it's like a mainstream right wing 2:35:47.080 --> 2:35:51.120 convention in the United States. Cool. So the conference featured 2:35:51.120 --> 2:35:54.840 in a rave speakers, including prominent Republican politicians and policymakers, 2:35:55.080 --> 2:35:57.000 as well as people like Michael Knowles who are just 2:35:57.040 --> 2:36:01.920 like right wing pundits. The many many speeches had attacks 2:36:01.959 --> 2:36:07.000 against gender affirming healthcare, trans inclusive sports, and bathroom policies, 2:36:07.280 --> 2:36:10.080 as well as the you know, the typical groomer and 2:36:10.080 --> 2:36:14.200 and pedophelia stuff that we saw gets super popular last year. Um, 2:36:14.320 --> 2:36:19.800 as well as framing this word transgenderism as a radical ideology. Now, 2:36:20.360 --> 2:36:24.920 words like transgenderism and gender ideology are not actually terms 2:36:24.959 --> 2:36:29.440 that trans people use. These were terms invented by anti transactivists. 2:36:29.840 --> 2:36:31.680 I want to be very certific about this because I 2:36:31.680 --> 2:36:35.120 think I don't think people understand the term gender ideology 2:36:35.160 --> 2:36:39.119 was specifically invented by the Catholic Church, like as as 2:36:39.160 --> 2:36:41.160 as a thing to oppose this and also a sort 2:36:41.160 --> 2:36:42.960 of a way to oppose like gay marriage and like 2:36:43.040 --> 2:36:46.800 queerness in general. And they're all of the fucking all 2:36:46.840 --> 2:36:49.440 of the like shitty, like one of the one of 2:36:49.440 --> 2:36:52.160 those sort of like quote unquote like dark secrets in 2:36:52.200 --> 2:36:53.920 the fucking closet of all of the black people who 2:36:53.920 --> 2:36:56.960 claim to be radical feminists who are anti trans is. 2:36:57.000 --> 2:36:59.800 All of these people specifically worked with the back back 2:37:00.040 --> 2:37:01.560 this up was first being developed in like the late 2:37:01.600 --> 2:37:04.160 nineties and early two thousands. All these people worked with 2:37:04.200 --> 2:37:08.440 the Catholic Church specifically to make sure that I like 2:37:08.680 --> 2:37:11.119 that that that more sort of liked more gender inclusive 2:37:11.160 --> 2:37:13.039 like terminology and stuff like not on a terminology like 2:37:13.040 --> 2:37:16.920 more gender and preclusive programs and definitions of like of 2:37:16.920 --> 2:37:20.280 what gender is wouldn't be implemented at the un. So 2:37:20.720 --> 2:37:24.600 this this sort of like rad fem conservative Catholic alliance 2:37:24.760 --> 2:37:28.400 is very old, and most of the people who are 2:37:28.400 --> 2:37:30.360 in it will deny that that's what they were doing, 2:37:30.400 --> 2:37:32.400 but it is like, this is this is Catholic Church ship. 2:37:32.520 --> 2:37:36.560 The Pope literally had a rant about how gender ideology 2:37:36.640 --> 2:37:41.320 was colonialism like like a week ago, like and and 2:37:41.480 --> 2:37:44.640 and the Pope does the same demonic rhetoric as these people. 2:37:45.040 --> 2:37:47.119 And I mean, yeah, so I believe this terms him. 2:37:48.240 --> 2:37:51.000 It makes sense from him. That's his that's his thing, 2:37:51.600 --> 2:37:56.360 that's his literal job. Yeah, which immediately also it's like, sir, 2:37:56.680 --> 2:38:01.440 you are the pope, like, shut the fuck up about colonization, man, Like, yeah, 2:38:02.000 --> 2:38:04.280 you know from Latin America. That doesn't excuse you, like 2:38:04.520 --> 2:38:08.920 the Cash Church. The Catholic Church famously never never, never 2:38:09.040 --> 2:38:12.600 done colonization. Um. But yeah, these words were invented by 2:38:12.640 --> 2:38:16.400 anti transactivists to the humanized transgender people and frame being 2:38:16.480 --> 2:38:20.879 trans as itself this dangerous ideology or a mental illness 2:38:21.000 --> 2:38:25.640 in a need of curing m Seapack speakers consistently invoked 2:38:25.680 --> 2:38:29.640 like grooming and pedophilia stuff in their In their long 2:38:29.760 --> 2:38:33.920 anti LGBTQ hate rants, um Lauren Bobert claimed that educators 2:38:33.920 --> 2:38:37.160 attempting to groom children, echoing the libs of TikTok stuff 2:38:37.200 --> 2:38:39.640 that got popular in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two. 2:38:40.240 --> 2:38:43.760 Tulsi Gabbard was at Seapack. She basically claimed at LGBTQ 2:38:43.840 --> 2:38:47.120 plus people were trying to gain acceptance for pedophiles by 2:38:47.160 --> 2:38:50.720 labeling them as minor attracted persons and allowing them to 2:38:50.760 --> 2:38:53.400 teach in schools. This is another conspiracy theory that Libs 2:38:53.400 --> 2:38:56.480 of TikTok has boosted for a long time. By the way, 2:38:56.520 --> 2:38:58.920 I want to hold a fucking greed share, which is 2:38:58.959 --> 2:39:00.240 that there were a lot of people who who like 2:39:00.360 --> 2:39:02.920 claimed to be leftist, who in like twenty eighteen, twenty nine, 2:39:03.040 --> 2:39:06.000 twenty and twenty were like telling all of us that 2:39:06.240 --> 2:39:10.160 Tulsi Gabbard was a leftists, like the only anti very 2:39:10.200 --> 2:39:13.240 clearly a fascist walk like she she she like, no, 2:39:13.480 --> 2:39:16.360 fuck off, you were wrong, Please admit you were wrong. 2:39:16.800 --> 2:39:19.119 Please be more careful about who you're going to fucking 2:39:19.160 --> 2:39:23.480 back so you don't end up backing this fucking like 2:39:24.720 --> 2:39:28.360 weird peto jacketing dipshit. But you know who you should back. 2:39:30.400 --> 2:39:34.200 Oh god, not yet, not yet almost almost okay, oh 2:39:34.240 --> 2:39:38.120 not almost almost time? Sorry, I have abot planned. Um 2:39:38.320 --> 2:39:41.039 Matt Gates spoke about an instant in Virginia which the 2:39:41.120 --> 2:39:43.800 right wing media sphere has spread disinformation about to falsely 2:39:43.840 --> 2:39:45.959 frame it as an instance of a transit student abusing 2:39:46.040 --> 2:39:49.920 inclusive bathroom policies to attack young girls. Just spreading all 2:39:50.000 --> 2:39:54.040 kinds of misinformation and disinformation from these right wing hate websites, 2:39:54.120 --> 2:39:56.760 that that is why they exist, is to prop by 2:39:56.760 --> 2:40:00.520 gate disinformation. Um Marjor Taylor Green target agenda from healthcare, 2:40:00.760 --> 2:40:03.960 praising her current reintroduction of the twenty twenty two protect 2:40:04.200 --> 2:40:07.040 Children's Innocence Act in the House, a bill which would 2:40:07.080 --> 2:40:09.120 make it a felony to provide a gender affirming care 2:40:09.120 --> 2:40:13.000 to miners. Green spread the lies and disinformation made popular 2:40:13.000 --> 2:40:16.240 by Matt Walsh that gender affirming healthcare designed to quote 2:40:16.320 --> 2:40:19.840 mutilate your kids and quote chemically castrate them. Stuff that 2:40:19.879 --> 2:40:23.520 we've debunked on the show before and many others have debunked. 2:40:25.120 --> 2:40:30.400 Trump gave a pretty pretty bad transphobic speech to close 2:40:30.400 --> 2:40:33.360 out the conference. On the one side, he said that 2:40:33.600 --> 2:40:37.320 he would keep men out of women's sports, but then 2:40:37.600 --> 2:40:40.520 closed out to see pack by saying, quote, he would 2:40:40.840 --> 2:40:45.240 revoke every Biden policy promoting the sexual mutilation and chemical 2:40:45.240 --> 2:40:48.280 castration of our youth, and I will ask Congress to 2:40:48.320 --> 2:40:51.880 send me a bill prohibiting child sexual mutilation in all 2:40:51.959 --> 2:40:56.640 fifty states unquote. I don't want to include Trump's stuff 2:40:56.640 --> 2:41:00.520 here because I find his voice to be slightly annoying. Anyway, 2:41:01.800 --> 2:41:06.320 Moving off, Donald Trump more annoying than Michael Knowles. Shocking 2:41:06.879 --> 2:41:11.960 so hard, challenge level almost impossible. Speaking of Michael Knowles, 2:41:12.680 --> 2:41:16.440 he gave a speeches Sepack where he advocated that transgenderism 2:41:16.720 --> 2:41:20.920 must be eradicated to thunderous applause. Now I'm going to 2:41:20.959 --> 2:41:24.200 play this whole clip here. Bear with me. There can 2:41:24.240 --> 2:41:28.120 be no middle way in dealing with transgenderism. It is 2:41:28.240 --> 2:41:32.560 all or nothing. If transgenderism is true, if men really 2:41:32.600 --> 2:41:36.640 can become women, then it's true for everybody of all ages. 2:41:37.320 --> 2:41:41.120 If transgenderism is false, as it is, if men really 2:41:41.120 --> 2:41:44.920 can't become women, as they cannot, then it's false for 2:41:45.040 --> 2:41:49.840 everybody too. And if it's false, then we should not 2:41:49.959 --> 2:41:55.280 indulge it, especially since that indulgence requires taking away the 2:41:55.360 --> 2:41:58.879 rights and customs of so many people. If it is false, 2:41:59.120 --> 2:42:02.000 then for the good of society, and especially for the 2:42:02.040 --> 2:42:04.320 good of the poor people who have fallen prey to 2:42:04.360 --> 2:42:10.760 this confusion, transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely, 2:42:11.480 --> 2:42:18.960 the whole preposterous ideology at every level. Pretty pretty bad stuff. 2:42:19.680 --> 2:42:21.920 Not great to hear a room full of people applaud 2:42:22.360 --> 2:42:25.920 someone who's very clearly talking about the eradication of an 2:42:26.120 --> 2:42:30.160 entire group of people. And I want to specifically point 2:42:30.160 --> 2:42:32.840 out the from public life thing, because that was something 2:42:32.920 --> 2:42:35.360 that you know, like back when the first bathroom bills 2:42:35.360 --> 2:42:38.640 were happening in twenty sixteen, right, you know, like people 2:42:38.840 --> 2:42:42.920 like trans people who were following this stuff. You know, 2:42:43.240 --> 2:42:46.039 the thing everyone said was they're trying to they're trying 2:42:46.080 --> 2:42:48.600 to erase trans people from public life, right, because that's 2:42:48.720 --> 2:42:51.920 that's what happens when you can't use a restroom in public, right, 2:42:52.080 --> 2:42:55.240 is like it limits your ability to just exist in 2:42:55.879 --> 2:42:58.480 the public sphere. And we've gotten to a point now 2:42:58.560 --> 2:43:00.840 where they can just fucking say what we you know, 2:43:00.879 --> 2:43:03.440 what we all knew they wanted from the beginning, and 2:43:03.520 --> 2:43:09.640 that's terrifying. I remember when I hit them the kind 2:43:09.680 --> 2:43:12.039 of uncanny valley space, like when I hit the space 2:43:12.080 --> 2:43:15.440 where I freaked people out, no matter what bathroom I used, 2:43:15.680 --> 2:43:17.800 you know, it's like a very conscious thing where I 2:43:17.800 --> 2:43:20.039 remember it because I pick which bathroom do you use 2:43:20.040 --> 2:43:26.080 based on safety, right, and and like depending on my presentation. 2:43:26.320 --> 2:43:28.520 It's it's wildly different depending on what kind of space 2:43:28.560 --> 2:43:31.000 I'm in, it's wildly different. I don't know, I just 2:43:31.080 --> 2:43:33.240 I just remember really consciously the first time I like 2:43:33.320 --> 2:43:35.400 just I picked the men's room and then got like 2:43:35.480 --> 2:43:37.400 double takes about why was I in there, and it's 2:43:37.400 --> 2:43:41.640 just like, oh, I like can't do anything anymore. Yeah, 2:43:41.680 --> 2:43:46.320 Like no, absolutely. After Nol's speech at Sepack, arguing for 2:43:46.360 --> 2:43:51.000 the eradication of transgenderism quote unquote. Daily Wire hosts, including 2:43:51.000 --> 2:43:53.879 Matt Walsh, defended him by saying, quote, we are in 2:43:53.920 --> 2:43:57.000 a war against the most deranged ideology ever invented by 2:43:57.000 --> 2:44:00.439 the human race. We are fighting to eradicate the ideogical 2:44:00.520 --> 2:44:04.360 equivalent of a parasitic infection. But is a term like 2:44:04.520 --> 2:44:09.840 eradicate over the top. Does it have a needlessly militant tone? No, 2:44:10.720 --> 2:44:14.520 definitely not. The tone may be militant, but not needlessly so. 2:44:15.080 --> 2:44:18.480 We are, after all, in a war, and lives are 2:44:18.520 --> 2:44:21.480 at stake. We are in a war against the most 2:44:21.520 --> 2:44:26.240 deranged ideology ever invented by the human race, plain and simple. 2:44:27.000 --> 2:44:31.440 We are fighting to eradicate the ideological equivalent of a 2:44:31.520 --> 2:44:36.240 parasitic infestation. And the parasite gender ideology seeks to not 2:44:36.320 --> 2:44:39.880 only brainwash a generation of children, not only degrade and 2:44:39.920 --> 2:44:43.960 appropriate womanhood, but also and manhood by the way, but also, 2:44:44.080 --> 2:44:48.240 and most fundamentally, it seeks to eat away at truth itself. 2:44:49.280 --> 2:44:53.320 This is coming from somebody who glibly refers to himself 2:44:53.360 --> 2:44:57.720 as a theocratic fascist, And in cases like this, when 2:44:57.760 --> 2:45:00.800 they tell you who they are, you should fuck believe them. 2:45:01.480 --> 2:45:04.200 Like the first bit of that clip is like pretty bad, 2:45:04.520 --> 2:45:07.200 very very clearly fascistic, Like it's it's checking all of 2:45:07.240 --> 2:45:10.600 the boxes. But then I'm going to continue on to 2:45:10.640 --> 2:45:14.600 the second part of this clip, and it is incredibly chilling. 2:45:14.760 --> 2:45:16.720 Can we point out about how his poor choice and 2:45:16.800 --> 2:45:21.120 plaid is also degrading too masculinity. Really, he is the 2:45:21.160 --> 2:45:24.240 greatest threat to masculine right now because of his plaid choice. 2:45:24.879 --> 2:45:29.080 Eradication of gender ideology. Total defeat is the only option 2:45:29.120 --> 2:45:32.279 because there's no compromise with it. There's no living side 2:45:32.280 --> 2:45:36.080 by side with it, there's no finding common ground. The 2:45:36.200 --> 2:45:40.000 gender ideologue wants to destroy your culture and your children. 2:45:41.080 --> 2:45:43.800 You will either rise up against it or lose everything 2:45:43.840 --> 2:45:48.600 to it. We're so fucked, it's so Nazzi, Like, yeah, quote, 2:45:48.720 --> 2:45:52.360 total defeat is the only option. The gender ideologue wants 2:45:52.360 --> 2:45:56.120 to destroy your culture and your children. Like that is 2:45:56.200 --> 2:45:58.120 less than a stones throw away from we must have 2:45:58.160 --> 2:46:00.680 secured the existence of our people in a future white children. 2:46:00.800 --> 2:46:03.600 It's right there. It's like, it's so it's so clear. 2:46:04.200 --> 2:46:06.560 I think there's like a tiny grain of truth in it, 2:46:06.600 --> 2:46:10.240 which is that like they are very very very close 2:46:10.720 --> 2:46:13.360 to like permanently losing the battle over whether the trans 2:46:13.440 --> 2:46:17.000 people could exist. And that's why they're doing this, right, 2:46:17.000 --> 2:46:20.520 because like the only like like like so support for 2:46:20.520 --> 2:46:22.800 trans people getting healthcare is like sixty is at like 2:46:22.840 --> 2:46:26.840 sixty percent, right, The only thing they have left is 2:46:26.920 --> 2:46:30.440 just straight up genocide because if they don't fucking kill 2:46:30.520 --> 2:46:33.600 us all now, right, and they don't right now act 2:46:33.600 --> 2:46:36.520 to make it impossible for future trans people to be trans, right, 2:46:37.320 --> 2:46:40.560 they are going to lose. And I will talk about 2:46:40.600 --> 2:46:42.520 this towards the end of the episode. This is kind 2:46:42.520 --> 2:46:44.440 of part of my thesis on this, and this is 2:46:44.440 --> 2:46:47.760 something that Michael Knowles himself actually admits. In one of 2:46:47.800 --> 2:46:52.320 Michael Knowles's first shows after Sepack, he suggests that eradicating 2:46:52.360 --> 2:46:55.560 transgenderism would be a simple matter of returning to the 2:46:55.600 --> 2:46:59.960 state of Affairs in twenty fifteen to eradicate transgender is 2:47:00.240 --> 2:47:03.560 from public life. And it's a good question. I'm glad 2:47:03.560 --> 2:47:05.320 people are talking about that. That was the point of 2:47:05.360 --> 2:47:09.920 my speech. What would it mean to eradicate the preposterous 2:47:09.959 --> 2:47:14.560 ideology of transgenderism from public life at every level? Put 2:47:14.640 --> 2:47:22.360 simply eradicating transgenderism from public life would mean behaving as 2:47:22.400 --> 2:47:30.560 American society did before, say twenty fifteen. Before Round twenty fifteen, 2:47:32.240 --> 2:47:37.800 we did not have any acceptance of transgenderism in public life. Also, 2:47:37.879 --> 2:47:42.520 in just like a grim moment of surality, in the 2:47:42.560 --> 2:47:45.640 middle of that clip, Knowles does an adder read for 2:47:45.720 --> 2:47:49.440 a company called Rabbit Air, which is an air purifier 2:47:49.440 --> 2:47:56.360 company who has an office in Pasadena, California. She's fu oh. 2:47:56.480 --> 2:47:59.480 Knowles goes on to blame Obama for leading this wave 2:47:59.520 --> 2:48:03.039 of trans end's acceptance in public life. Now, this whole 2:48:03.040 --> 2:48:05.200 twenty fifteen thing is very funny to me because in 2:48:05.600 --> 2:48:07.840 a lot of ways it was actually kind of easier 2:48:07.879 --> 2:48:10.120 to be trans and twenty fifteen what it is right now. 2:48:11.200 --> 2:48:14.080 But I and I think that this is mostly that 2:48:14.520 --> 2:48:19.600 like for conservatives, it's mostly that young trans people are 2:48:19.640 --> 2:48:23.200 simply more visible now, mostly due to things like TikTok. 2:48:23.320 --> 2:48:26.039 Like there's just there's a more visible presence of trans 2:48:26.200 --> 2:48:30.160 joy and trans people living, and that is angering conservatives. 2:48:30.200 --> 2:48:33.039 So they think it's is like some new recent thing. 2:48:34.040 --> 2:48:36.520 And because Michael Knowles did an ad break for Rabbit Air, 2:48:37.080 --> 2:48:40.160 who again has an office in Pasadena, California, I too, 2:48:40.160 --> 2:48:42.880 am going to do an ad break for our fine sponsors, 2:48:44.040 --> 2:48:46.160 all right, and we're back we are. We are almost done. 2:48:46.160 --> 2:48:48.720 I only have like one or two more clips to show. 2:48:49.200 --> 2:48:51.400 I like the ad for Rabbit Air that just played 2:48:52.600 --> 2:48:59.039 fuck off. So in Michael knowles case, I think he 2:48:59.160 --> 2:49:03.039 isn't even primary early against just like trans equality, he 2:49:03.120 --> 2:49:07.240 is against modernity. Now, when I say modernity, I'm not 2:49:07.320 --> 2:49:10.840 referring to like industrial civilization. It's many consequences for humans 2:49:10.840 --> 2:49:14.680 and the planet at large. Right wing antimodernism is very 2:49:14.680 --> 2:49:18.520 different than like anarchist ANTISTI of ideas. This idea of 2:49:18.560 --> 2:49:23.560 modernism isn't really tied to industrial developments. It's more linked 2:49:23.560 --> 2:49:28.800 to a psycho spiritual antagonism against modern social progress. It's 2:49:28.879 --> 2:49:32.520 more akin to the esoteric super fascist Julius Vola's idea 2:49:32.640 --> 2:49:36.320 of like revolt against the modern world and how liberalism 2:49:36.400 --> 2:49:41.039 is like a plague against moral society and causing maths degeneracy. 2:49:41.840 --> 2:49:45.600 Michael knowles own Twitter bio reads quote, I am completely 2:49:45.600 --> 2:49:50.080 opposed to the error of the modernists. Again, when these 2:49:50.120 --> 2:49:52.720 people tell tell you who they are, you have to 2:49:52.840 --> 2:49:57.000 believe them. Just this week, during a speech at the 2:49:57.080 --> 2:50:00.360 University of Buffalo, Knowles laid out a plan to attack 2:50:00.480 --> 2:50:04.000 quote the illogic of so called gay marriage, the rights 2:50:04.040 --> 2:50:08.920 to fornication, and the feminists who loosened divorce laws. Yeah, 2:50:09.240 --> 2:50:10.960 I think it's I think it's worth pointing out here, right. 2:50:11.080 --> 2:50:13.400 I think I think the actual reason why twenty fifteen 2:50:13.480 --> 2:50:14.640 is the year that he picked out of his head 2:50:14.680 --> 2:50:16.520 is at twenty fifteen is the year that game that 2:50:16.959 --> 2:50:19.400 game marriage is legalized by the Supreme Court. Sure, so 2:50:20.080 --> 2:50:23.520 like that that like ninety nine percent chats that he 2:50:23.640 --> 2:50:27.160 means like twenty fifteen before game marriage is the thing 2:50:27.160 --> 2:50:30.080 that he wants to go back to. But here's here's 2:50:30.080 --> 2:50:32.840 a here's a clip of him talking about how conservatives 2:50:32.840 --> 2:50:36.400 have continued to lose the battleground at a whole bunch 2:50:36.440 --> 2:50:38.119 of topics, and how he's going to try to win 2:50:38.160 --> 2:50:43.600 them back. Now, even many conservatives accept so called gay marriage, 2:50:44.520 --> 2:50:48.320 and they have to. They have to accept gay marriage 2:50:49.080 --> 2:50:52.320 if they accept the illogic of the Sexual Revolution, which 2:50:52.320 --> 2:50:55.160 held that all sexual relations are fine and dandy so 2:50:55.200 --> 2:50:59.600 long as they're consensual. After the Sexual Revolution, the only 2:50:59.640 --> 2:51:03.920 test for sexual ethics became if it feels good, do it. 2:51:04.800 --> 2:51:07.960 For most of American history, nobody believed that too. For 2:51:08.080 --> 2:51:10.800 most of American history, there were all sorts of laws 2:51:10.840 --> 2:51:15.039 against certain sexual behaviors. There were famously laws against sodomy, 2:51:15.160 --> 2:51:17.640 but there were lots of other laws as well, laws 2:51:17.680 --> 2:51:22.560 against fornication, laws against adultery, laws against plenty of other 2:51:22.600 --> 2:51:25.920 destructive sexual behaviors. Those laws were on the books as 2:51:25.959 --> 2:51:28.520 recently as two thousand and three, when liberals on the 2:51:28.520 --> 2:51:32.640 Supreme Court discovered in the Constitution some sort of right 2:51:33.120 --> 2:51:36.760 to all of those things. He wants all these things 2:51:36.760 --> 2:51:40.920 to become illegal again, that is his political project. And 2:51:41.280 --> 2:51:43.920 to quote airy dren end quote, none of this is 2:51:43.959 --> 2:51:47.400 a theoretical exercise. After banning drag or gender if I 2:51:47.440 --> 2:51:50.840 may care for minors, the Tennessee House yesterday passed a 2:51:50.879 --> 2:51:54.959 bill that would allow local officials to refuse same sex, interfaith, 2:51:55.080 --> 2:51:59.600 or interracial marriages ute. Now. Last year we titled some 2:51:59.600 --> 2:52:01.720 of our episodes that cover this wave of anti trans 2:52:01.760 --> 2:52:05.840 attacks quote like the War on trans people unquote and 2:52:06.160 --> 2:52:09.000 even like considering the origin of this podcast, I am 2:52:09.040 --> 2:52:13.039 often hesitant to entertain fantasies of actual civil conflict in 2:52:13.040 --> 2:52:17.000 the United States, but in this case, like they are 2:52:17.000 --> 2:52:19.160 the ones who are killing us and trying to make 2:52:19.160 --> 2:52:23.119 our very existence illegal. It is them who has initiated 2:52:23.400 --> 2:52:27.240 this type of militant language. The last clip I have 2:52:27.320 --> 2:52:31.600 here is of Matt Walsh talking about just that we 2:52:31.640 --> 2:52:36.279 aren't even remotely done. Okay, this is honestly only the beginning. 2:52:37.640 --> 2:52:40.000 We've got a lot more in store for you. I 2:52:40.080 --> 2:52:41.800 promised you a year ago that we were going to 2:52:41.840 --> 2:52:44.000 war here, and I kept that promise. I'll keep this 2:52:44.040 --> 2:52:47.480 one too. There's much more to be done, that needs 2:52:47.520 --> 2:52:50.680 to be done, and we aim to do it. So 2:52:50.800 --> 2:52:54.440 the battle continues, whether you like it or not. The 2:52:54.480 --> 2:53:00.160 battle continues. So a few days ago, the Governor of 2:53:00.160 --> 2:53:04.360 Mississippi brought Matt Walsh to speak during an official press 2:53:04.400 --> 2:53:08.160 conference about the signing of House Bill one one two five, 2:53:08.840 --> 2:53:12.080 banning gender affirming healthcare for minors. The presidence of Matt 2:53:12.120 --> 2:53:15.360 Walsh at a State of Mississippi official press conference is 2:53:15.440 --> 2:53:20.600 a clear example of fascism being inserted into the governmental process. Um, 2:53:20.920 --> 2:53:22.920 and speaking of bills, I'm going to hand this over 2:53:23.000 --> 2:53:27.720 to Mia to now talk about some of the legislative stuff. Yay, yeah, wow, 2:53:27.800 --> 2:53:32.360 So this is going to be a long one, I'm sorry, folks. Yeah. Unfortunately, 2:53:32.520 --> 2:53:35.480 the the list of ways in which they are trying 2:53:35.480 --> 2:53:39.360 to kill us as long. So yeah, this is this 2:53:39.400 --> 2:53:42.400 is the inevitable result of that. In one of the 2:53:42.560 --> 2:53:46.640 very early clips, right, I think I can't remember which 2:53:46.640 --> 2:53:48.680 one it was, one of the maybe it was Kennis 2:53:48.720 --> 2:53:52.040 Owen has talked about like our publicist at Media Matters, right, Yeah, 2:53:52.120 --> 2:53:55.080 And I think, you know, I think there is in 2:53:55.160 --> 2:53:56.879 a lot of cases, I think there's a lot of 2:53:56.920 --> 2:54:00.520 merit and not like covering this ship when it's tifically 2:54:00.520 --> 2:54:03.920 people like like very specific. You know Alex Jones does this, right, Well, 2:54:04.120 --> 2:54:07.560 he'll say something like specifically incredibly inflammatory is a way 2:54:07.600 --> 2:54:10.200 to start of get media attention to him. Yeah, But 2:54:10.280 --> 2:54:12.960 in this case, we can't fucking do that because all 2:54:13.000 --> 2:54:15.240 of the policy proposals that these people want are getting 2:54:15.280 --> 2:54:19.560 actually fucking implemented. So here here's from the Human Rights 2:54:19.600 --> 2:54:22.480 Campaign about how bad things have gotten. Less than two 2:54:22.560 --> 2:54:25.960 months into twenty twenty three, Human Rights Campaign is already 2:54:26.000 --> 2:54:29.640 tracking three hundred and forty anti LGBTQ bills that have 2:54:29.680 --> 2:54:33.840 been introduced in statehouses across the country. I think four hundred. 2:54:33.879 --> 2:54:36.480 Oh yeah, it's this, Yeah, I was gonna get this. 2:54:36.480 --> 2:54:38.520 So those numbers are from early Those numbers are from 2:54:38.520 --> 2:54:41.880 early February, right or mid February now, yeah, it's something 2:54:41.920 --> 2:54:43.800 like over four hundred. It's really hard to get actual 2:54:43.800 --> 2:54:47.640 totals because there are so fucking many of them. One 2:54:47.720 --> 2:54:50.280 hundred and fifty of those would specifically restrict the rights 2:54:50.320 --> 2:54:53.160 of transgender people, the highest number of bills targeting transgender 2:54:53.200 --> 2:54:55.320 people in a single year to date. They also note, 2:54:55.320 --> 2:54:58.320 as everyone else does, every single successive year breaks the 2:54:58.360 --> 2:55:02.120 record for the most number of bills targeting people. Um. Yeah, 2:55:02.120 --> 2:55:04.560 those numbers are already out of date. And okay, So 2:55:05.720 --> 2:55:08.680 on the one hands, right there, there are there are 2:55:09.240 --> 2:55:14.240 real problems with projects that just track the raw number 2:55:14.240 --> 2:55:18.240 of bills, and you know, okay, on the one hands, 2:55:18.240 --> 2:55:20.760 the world like the raw numbers are I think a 2:55:20.800 --> 2:55:24.800 good way of actually getting people to sort of understand 2:55:25.160 --> 2:55:28.120 like the level of threat that is happening, like just 2:55:28.160 --> 2:55:30.800 sort of just sort of the raw magnitude of the threats. 2:55:31.560 --> 2:55:35.720 On the other hands, okay, it's kind of misleading in 2:55:35.720 --> 2:55:37.520 the sense that almost all these bills are going to 2:55:37.560 --> 2:55:40.720 fail because most of these most most and this is 2:55:40.760 --> 2:55:44.080 the incredible important thing here, most but not all, most 2:55:44.120 --> 2:55:46.480 of these bills are made by just random state lawmakers 2:55:46.480 --> 2:55:50.600 and no political backing. And this allows organizations you know, 2:55:50.680 --> 2:55:53.000 sort of like like a lot of the nonprofit groups 2:55:53.000 --> 2:55:55.280 who who work in these sort of legislative spaces to 2:55:55.320 --> 2:55:59.279 like claim credit for defeating like ninety percent of the bills, 2:55:59.280 --> 2:56:00.840 and it's like, well, no, like most of those, like 2:56:00.879 --> 2:56:02.360 almost none of them we're ever going to pass in 2:56:02.360 --> 2:56:05.440 the first place. And the second thing that it does 2:56:05.560 --> 2:56:07.720 is it puts this sort of cloud out, which makes 2:56:07.720 --> 2:56:10.600 it really really difficult. You know, if you're just being if, 2:56:10.680 --> 2:56:14.480 if you're if you're trying to follow right the sort 2:56:14.480 --> 2:56:17.440 of legislative process here, it gets very very hard because 2:56:18.240 --> 2:56:20.560 it's it's very difficult to sort out which bills have 2:56:20.560 --> 2:56:22.200 any chance of passing in which ones are just some 2:56:22.320 --> 2:56:26.800 random dipshit like first term like I don't know, some 2:56:26.959 --> 2:56:29.880 some some like first term lawmaker from like a part 2:56:29.879 --> 2:56:36.000 of Mississippi that is two lawmakers right like. But so my, my, 2:56:36.000 --> 2:56:38.360 my solution to this is we're going to run through 2:56:38.400 --> 2:56:40.640 the bills had ever already been passed. Um, I guess 2:56:40.640 --> 2:56:43.680 we should just start in Mississippi because we've sort of 2:56:43.720 --> 2:56:47.000 already talked about, Yeah, Governor Tate Reeves inviting that wallshing 2:56:47.080 --> 2:56:51.840 of a speech at the bill signing ceremony. So in Mississippi, 2:56:51.959 --> 2:56:56.760 a law was passed called the reap Act, which you know, 2:56:56.879 --> 2:56:59.840 that's that's great. It's a that's that that tells you 2:57:00.000 --> 2:57:04.280 exactly what they fucking I mean by this. This is 2:57:04.280 --> 2:57:06.280 a bill that bands and this this is a very 2:57:06.360 --> 2:57:09.800 very common pattern for bills. Um. It bans miners from 2:57:09.800 --> 2:57:13.120 getting hormones, from getting any kind of gender affirming surgery, 2:57:13.200 --> 2:57:16.720 and blocks anyone from getting puberty blockers. We've said this before, 2:57:16.760 --> 2:57:19.800 We'll say it again. All of this stuff is good. 2:57:19.920 --> 2:57:21.800 Kids should be able to get these things. Kids should 2:57:21.800 --> 2:57:25.000 be able to get these things easier. They they just 2:57:25.160 --> 2:57:28.200 unfathomably improve the lives of the child to get them. 2:57:29.840 --> 2:57:32.520 All of the data supports this notion. This has been 2:57:32.560 --> 2:57:36.240 normalized for literally decades. Yeah, and I mean puberty blockers 2:57:36.240 --> 2:57:38.280 in particular is one of the things that's become the 2:57:38.320 --> 2:57:40.760 focus of like, oh, it's not safe. It's like puberty 2:57:40.800 --> 2:57:43.280 blockers were the compromise position, right, And this is something 2:57:43.320 --> 2:57:44.600 that I think has been lost in a lot of 2:57:44.600 --> 2:57:46.680 debate about this, because you know, we've gotten to the 2:57:46.680 --> 2:57:50.280 point where everything is being banned, but puberty blockers, you know, 2:57:50.400 --> 2:57:53.040 we're a compromise position because you could give people puberty 2:57:53.040 --> 2:57:56.240 blockers without like actually giving trans kids to hormones that 2:57:56.280 --> 2:57:59.320 they need, and even that, you know, we're at a 2:57:59.320 --> 2:58:03.080 point where stare full on banning kids from getting them. 2:58:03.200 --> 2:58:09.520 This sucks, It's awful. It is killing trans kids. Um. 2:58:09.560 --> 2:58:13.160 Mississippi also has a band. One of the other things 2:58:13.200 --> 2:58:15.560 about this specific one and not not all the states 2:58:15.560 --> 2:58:17.960 are doing it do this, but the specific bill also 2:58:18.080 --> 2:58:22.119 bans state money from going to any institution that practices 2:58:22.200 --> 2:58:26.000 like does like gender form for minors. They also have 2:58:26.040 --> 2:58:27.680 an anti sports law, so you can, you know, you 2:58:27.680 --> 2:58:30.720 can see the sort of like how how the dominoes 2:58:30.800 --> 2:58:35.880 went down in terms of, like, I sorry, you can 2:58:35.920 --> 2:58:37.440 see how the dominoes fell down in terms of where 2:58:37.480 --> 2:58:39.360 it started and where it was going right for at 2:58:39.400 --> 2:58:41.400 first you get your anti bathroom long and then you 2:58:41.400 --> 2:58:44.959 you get your sort of like keep trans people out 2:58:44.959 --> 2:58:51.120 of sports, and then the yeah, yeah, so I will 2:58:51.240 --> 2:58:54.480 also has a band that's you know, but basically identical 2:58:54.640 --> 2:58:58.200 identical ban on hormone, gender firming surgery and puberty blockers. 2:58:58.720 --> 2:59:01.440 They also passed to build bands trans kids from using 2:59:01.440 --> 2:59:04.080 bathrooms and locker rooms according to their gender and elementary, 2:59:04.120 --> 2:59:06.760 middle and high schools and I want to talk a 2:59:06.760 --> 2:59:09.039 little bit about this, because this is going to lead 2:59:09.040 --> 2:59:12.360 to kids getting fucking raped, because it turns out if 2:59:12.360 --> 2:59:15.160 you force a trans girl into a men's locker room, 2:59:15.879 --> 2:59:17.960 things are going to go real fucking bad for them. 2:59:17.959 --> 2:59:20.040 They don't give a shit about this, right, They simply 2:59:20.080 --> 2:59:23.560 do not care. Um. But that's you know that that 2:59:23.720 --> 2:59:29.600 that's that that that's the actual substantive results. Um. I 2:59:29.640 --> 2:59:33.640 will also pass. I've seen it variously refers to as 2:59:33.680 --> 2:59:35.400 like I don't say trans or like I don't say 2:59:35.520 --> 2:59:39.320 LGBTQ plus bill. This is a bill that prohibits teachers 2:59:39.360 --> 2:59:42.320 who teach either from kindergarteners through sixth grade from teaching 2:59:42.320 --> 2:59:44.960 about transniss like at all. You can't teach about gender. 2:59:45.080 --> 2:59:48.160 You can't teach about like sex. You can't teach about 2:59:48.360 --> 2:59:51.880 you know, you can't teach about the fact that you can, 2:59:51.959 --> 2:59:55.000 in fact change your gender and it's good and cool. Um. 2:59:55.240 --> 2:59:58.400 The Human Rights Campaign says quote. This bill would also 2:59:58.440 --> 3:00:02.400 prohibit schools from providing to refer me accommodations for transgender 3:00:02.440 --> 3:00:06.000 students without parental consent, and would require school staff to 3:00:06.120 --> 3:00:09.760 out transgender students. Um. So I read this bill and 3:00:09.840 --> 3:00:11.920 it's not clear to me how it requires that. But 3:00:12.240 --> 3:00:13.959 that's what the lawyers are saying, and I'm not a lawyer, 3:00:14.720 --> 3:00:16.680 so it may or may not require that. This is 3:00:16.720 --> 3:00:19.760 another thing, very specifically, this isn't everything that that that's 3:00:19.760 --> 3:00:23.280 been happening in the sort of newer waves of these 3:00:23.400 --> 3:00:28.000 laws are laws that specifically require school counselors, teachers, and 3:00:28.080 --> 3:00:31.240 school staff to out their kids, like to out kids 3:00:31.280 --> 3:00:35.520 to their parents, which is unbelievably dangerous. Un in the 3:00:35.560 --> 3:00:37.720 last few years alone, there have been a bunch of 3:00:37.720 --> 3:00:40.440 trans people who are just killed by their parents. And 3:00:40.560 --> 3:00:43.520 you know, forcibly adding people is like you're you're you're 3:00:43.520 --> 3:00:45.720 exposing them to the risk of abuse, You're exposing them 3:00:45.720 --> 3:00:48.280 to the risk of unsafe housing environments. No, it's just 3:00:48.360 --> 3:00:51.640 a little soft whack by your grandma, I remember, just 3:00:51.680 --> 3:00:53.960 a little a little tap on the head. Yeah, yeah, 3:00:53.959 --> 3:00:58.080 I was gonna fucking beat you to death. So these 3:00:58.080 --> 3:01:01.320 bills in Iowa have been and passed by the House 3:01:01.320 --> 3:01:03.360 in the Senate and they're just like they're just like 3:01:03.360 --> 3:01:05.400 sitting on a desk winning for the government to sign them, 3:01:05.440 --> 3:01:08.480 and the governor's going to so yeah, that's that's the 3:01:08.480 --> 3:01:12.080 situation Iowa. In Arkansas, you have the hormone puberty blockers, 3:01:12.120 --> 3:01:15.440 gender firming surgery ban. The Arkansas one is on hold 3:01:15.640 --> 3:01:17.960 because you know, and this is a this is true 3:01:18.000 --> 3:01:20.160 for a couple of these, is that people have done 3:01:20.240 --> 3:01:24.680 legal challenges on it. And yeah, our Arkansas particulars had 3:01:24.680 --> 3:01:27.840 a huge legal fight. We still don't know how that's 3:01:27.879 --> 3:01:29.080 I mean, the legal fights are going on for like 3:01:29.080 --> 3:01:31.480 a year. We still haven't gotten ruling on it yet. 3:01:32.160 --> 3:01:35.320 They also have a ban on transgids competing in sports. 3:01:36.320 --> 3:01:39.680 Alabama made it a Class C felony punishable by up 3:01:39.720 --> 3:01:42.320 to a decade in prison. To give trench gender kids hormones, 3:01:42.640 --> 3:01:46.000 puberty blockers, gender affirming surgery. This was also interesting because 3:01:46.280 --> 3:01:48.000 it's the only built so most of these ones when 3:01:48.000 --> 3:01:50.360 they do when they say minors, right, it's until you're eighteen. 3:01:50.400 --> 3:01:53.560 You can't get it for whatever reason. Alabama. It also 3:01:53.640 --> 3:01:55.680 bans eighteen year olds from getting any of these things. 3:01:56.520 --> 3:02:00.800 You just have to be nineteen. Yeah. Part part of 3:02:00.800 --> 3:02:04.320 the bill, you know about hormone blockers, So okay, So 3:02:04.600 --> 3:02:07.240 specifically the part of the parts of this bill that 3:02:07.280 --> 3:02:10.400 are about hormones and hormone blockers are on hold pending 3:02:10.400 --> 3:02:12.760 sort of resolution to legal challenges, but the judge was like, 3:02:12.840 --> 3:02:16.080 fuck it, you can do the surgery band. So that sucks. 3:02:16.920 --> 3:02:20.520 Um Alabama also has bills that you know, have the 3:02:20.560 --> 3:02:23.400 whole trans kids in schools can't use the right bathroom 3:02:23.480 --> 3:02:26.920 and you know, teachers, counselors and other school officials have 3:02:26.959 --> 3:02:31.640 to out them. They also have another Dosa trans bill 3:02:31.760 --> 3:02:34.600 that does a very similar thing about bands teachers from 3:02:34.640 --> 3:02:37.320 talking about transit until fifth grade. I think a lot 3:02:37.320 --> 3:02:39.480 of these bills are written by like lobbying groups who 3:02:39.600 --> 3:02:42.320 just and paced the same thing and see a whole 3:02:42.360 --> 3:02:45.600 bunch of different states. I will say there are weird 3:02:45.680 --> 3:02:49.920 differences in them, like so you'll see like different completely 3:02:50.000 --> 3:02:54.360 scatter shot like definitions of what hormones are, or like 3:02:54.720 --> 3:02:57.080 like some somebody's bills trying to find what a woman is. 3:02:57.400 --> 3:03:00.160 And it's very funny because they have to like do 3:03:00.200 --> 3:03:03.760 all this weird stuff about like like clusters of like chromosomes, 3:03:03.920 --> 3:03:07.440 but also there's like chromosomal diseases, Like you can't do this, 3:03:07.520 --> 3:03:10.280 like a fuck off. It's it's so funny. We should 3:03:10.280 --> 3:03:12.760 also mention that, like there will be more reporting on 3:03:12.800 --> 3:03:15.720 this later. This bill. This episode is already too long, 3:03:16.160 --> 3:03:18.840 but there have been a bunch of emails released from 3:03:18.879 --> 3:03:23.560 a bunch of anti trans sort of organizers and fake 3:03:23.640 --> 3:03:26.480 scientists and stuff about how they've been coordinating all of this, 3:03:26.560 --> 3:03:28.120 and a lot of the experts that they use for 3:03:28.160 --> 3:03:31.320 testimony for all they show up to these capitals are 3:03:31.320 --> 3:03:34.360 like are exactly the same people. And the big guy 3:03:34.440 --> 3:03:37.280 they have saying that puberty blockers is unsafe like has 3:03:37.360 --> 3:03:39.959 never worked with a trans person in their life and 3:03:40.240 --> 3:03:43.320 has no fucking idea what they're talking about. So you know, 3:03:43.360 --> 3:03:46.400 this is this is this is fun Utah also bands 3:03:48.440 --> 3:03:51.960 also passed a band banning gender affirming surgeries, puberty blockers, 3:03:51.959 --> 3:03:54.360 and hormones. They also have a band I also have 3:03:54.360 --> 3:03:56.800 a bill forcing students and counselors to out their students 3:03:57.360 --> 3:04:01.080 to their families. Last year, you take Governor Spencer Cox 3:04:01.200 --> 3:04:04.280 was praised by the media for a symbolic veto of 3:04:04.280 --> 3:04:06.160 a bill that made it illegal for trans students to 3:04:06.160 --> 3:04:11.400 compete in sports. Cox signed this fucking bill, signed, signed, 3:04:11.440 --> 3:04:15.320 the one signed, the one that bands of gender affirming surgeries, 3:04:15.320 --> 3:04:17.920 beauty blockers, and hormones. Yeah. I think we talked about 3:04:17.959 --> 3:04:22.560 this last year. Yeah, I want to we had we 3:04:22.600 --> 3:04:26.360 talked about some Utah thing last Yeah, well we talked. Yeah, 3:04:26.400 --> 3:04:29.440 the thing we talked about was him vetoing that bill. Um, 3:04:29.720 --> 3:04:33.119 I want to read his thing for why why he packed? 3:04:33.120 --> 3:04:35.640 Why so he vetoed the bill that was less bad 3:04:36.840 --> 3:04:39.600 and signed the one that's worse. And I'm gonna read 3:04:39.920 --> 3:04:43.680 what he said about this quote. Well, we understand our 3:04:43.720 --> 3:04:46.320 words will be of little comfort to those who disagree 3:04:46.360 --> 3:04:48.600 with us. We sincerely hope that we can treat our 3:04:48.600 --> 3:04:52.120 transgender families with more love and respect as we work 3:04:52.200 --> 3:04:55.720 to better understand the science and consequences behind these procedures. 3:04:55.959 --> 3:04:58.879 Fuck off, Fuck all the way off. He's trying to 3:04:58.879 --> 3:05:04.039 avoid the Nurembug trials. Look As a as a neutral 3:05:04.080 --> 3:05:06.959 objective journalist, I'm obligated to inform me that Spencer Cox 3:05:07.040 --> 3:05:09.560 was a full time missionary from the Mormon Church, which 3:05:09.600 --> 3:05:12.520 is currently embroiled in a pedophilius gandal. Lefter is revealed 3:05:12.520 --> 3:05:15.200 to have systematically protected church members and members of the 3:05:15.240 --> 3:05:19.800 clergy who sexually abused children from church sanctions and legal repercussions. 3:05:19.920 --> 3:05:23.119 Under Utah law, clergy have the right of penitent privilege, 3:05:23.200 --> 3:05:25.800 which means they are not required to report child abuse 3:05:25.840 --> 3:05:28.240 to the authorities as long as the information is revealed 3:05:28.320 --> 3:05:31.960 during confession. Both the Mormon and Catholic churches, along with 3:05:32.040 --> 3:05:35.440 Jehovah's witnesses, have lobbied against all efforts have changed this law. 3:05:35.840 --> 3:05:38.440 Earlier this month, survivors of the Mormon Church rallied in 3:05:38.480 --> 3:05:40.840 support of a bill that would have ended penitent privilege. 3:05:41.200 --> 3:05:44.240 Governor Cox publicly announced his support for the bill being 3:05:44.320 --> 3:05:47.959 considered in the legislature, but did nothing to pressure legislators 3:05:47.959 --> 3:05:50.039 to vote for and as of time of recording, the 3:05:50.080 --> 3:05:52.280 bill is dead, leaving the church free to protect yet 3:05:52.280 --> 3:05:57.760 another route of pedophiles. Also, his name is Cox. Yeah, 3:05:57.840 --> 3:06:02.200 so South Dakota also, I did I could do this 3:06:02.240 --> 3:06:04.800 for every fucking governor on this list, and I decided 3:06:04.840 --> 3:06:06.039 I was going to do it once and not do 3:06:06.080 --> 3:06:08.680 it for all the rest of them, but fuck them. 3:06:09.440 --> 3:06:12.000 South Dakota has a sports bill. They also have a 3:06:12.040 --> 3:06:15.680 ban on puberty blockers, hormones, genderate firming surgery. Arizona has 3:06:15.720 --> 3:06:21.200 an anti bathroom bill. Tennessee has a sports ban. It 3:06:21.240 --> 3:06:24.840 has the basically identical ban on puberty blockers, hormones, and 3:06:24.879 --> 3:06:27.360 gender firming surgery, and it also has this. It also 3:06:27.440 --> 3:06:31.240 has what's been kind of a new innovation. I guess 3:06:32.200 --> 3:06:35.040 which is the anti they have an anti drag law. Yes, 3:06:35.160 --> 3:06:36.840 this is the one that's gotten the most amount attraction 3:06:36.840 --> 3:06:39.960 and has sparked some debate over how much of it 3:06:40.000 --> 3:06:43.119 can actually be applied against just trans people living their 3:06:43.120 --> 3:06:46.560 lives because it is tied to the state's pre existing 3:06:46.600 --> 3:06:50.280 obscenity laws. So there's been some debate about this. We will, 3:06:51.240 --> 3:06:54.280 we will. We will learn more about this as it 3:06:54.280 --> 3:06:57.879 starts being enforced by law enforcement and the court system. Yeah, 3:06:58.080 --> 3:07:01.320 I want to talk about it. It's not good. Like, Yeah, 3:07:01.360 --> 3:07:04.000 I want to talk about it a little bit more 3:07:04.240 --> 3:07:06.680 so the specific bill it makes it illegal for anyone 3:07:07.240 --> 3:07:09.680 to be underage and a drag show. And you know, 3:07:09.720 --> 3:07:12.199 it basically applies like the rules around the sex offender 3:07:12.280 --> 3:07:17.160 list for where you can have drag shows. So Governor 3:07:17.200 --> 3:07:19.840 William Brian Lee, who signed this bill did drag in 3:07:19.920 --> 3:07:21.840 high school, which I'm saying. No, I'm saying here not 3:07:21.879 --> 3:07:24.040 to point out the hypocrisy, like Governor Lee doesn't see 3:07:24.040 --> 3:07:27.000 anything any hypocrisy here, but to get across the fact 3:07:27.000 --> 3:07:29.360 the Republicans who want to do this stuff will still 3:07:29.360 --> 3:07:31.680 be able to. This bill will targeted a very very 3:07:31.680 --> 3:07:35.120 specific group of people. As Jules gil Peterson points out 3:07:35.120 --> 3:07:36.640 in your piece the left Hand to the Law, which 3:07:36.640 --> 3:07:39.039 people should go read, this is an attack on a 3:07:39.200 --> 3:07:42.400 very specific, precarious class of workers, many of whom are trans, 3:07:42.520 --> 3:07:46.640 some of whom aren't, who do drag performances. This is 3:07:46.680 --> 3:07:49.400 this is it's it's a very specific attempt to sort 3:07:49.400 --> 3:07:55.720 of like neutralize, Okay, it's targeting this very specific middle 3:07:55.720 --> 3:07:59.680 ground between sort of like being in the formal economy 3:07:59.720 --> 3:08:02.280 and do sex work. They're an enormous amount of trans 3:08:02.320 --> 3:08:06.760 people who do sex work. Drag shows provide a way 3:08:06.800 --> 3:08:11.000 to sort of like not exactly enter the middle class, 3:08:11.080 --> 3:08:14.800 but it provides a legal way for trans people to 3:08:15.000 --> 3:08:18.240 like have a job that's not fucking that and those 3:08:18.440 --> 3:08:22.400 and those workers are specifically the people being targeted by this. Weirdly, 3:08:22.480 --> 3:08:27.360 I don't know. The other thing that's unclear is, for example, 3:08:27.480 --> 3:08:29.760 like if a podcast does a live show where there's 3:08:29.760 --> 3:08:34.280 trans people, like, what will happen? We don't know. But 3:08:34.320 --> 3:08:35.640 the other thing I want to say about this, right 3:08:35.720 --> 3:08:38.160 is everyone's talking about this fucking drag bill. I have 3:08:38.280 --> 3:08:41.840 seen like basically zero discussion of the of the fact 3:08:41.840 --> 3:08:45.200 that they also past the same fucking ban on puberty blockers, tormones, 3:08:45.240 --> 3:08:49.000 and gender affirming surgery, which is way way more destructive 3:08:49.040 --> 3:08:52.600 and damaging. It's like but directly attacking. Yeah, so I 3:08:52.640 --> 3:08:55.760 think I want to push back about the like, yeah, 3:08:55.840 --> 3:08:58.320 like what you're talking about about, like what will happen 3:08:58.400 --> 3:09:00.320 if you do a live show? Like what will happen? 3:09:00.680 --> 3:09:03.360 Because to trans people who live in these states. The 3:09:03.400 --> 3:09:05.240 state I live in as a red state, well it's 3:09:05.240 --> 3:09:07.480 not supposed to be, but as a red state, and 3:09:08.040 --> 3:09:10.360 you know, is considering a drag bill and things like that. 3:09:10.600 --> 3:09:14.760 And I recognize that they're like aimed, they're targeted specifically 3:09:14.879 --> 3:09:20.120 at drag performances, but there's a fairly easy interpretation of 3:09:20.120 --> 3:09:22.200 a lot of these things that literally says I can't 3:09:22.200 --> 3:09:24.520 go to the grocery store. And that is how like 3:09:24.560 --> 3:09:27.959 a lot of trans people in Tennessee are viewing this 3:09:28.040 --> 3:09:31.840 right now. And so I don't think it's a disproportionate 3:09:32.560 --> 3:09:35.000 thing that the drag bill is something that a lot 3:09:35.040 --> 3:09:37.080 of people are focusing on. I mean, we all care 3:09:37.120 --> 3:09:41.760 also about the hormone issues or whatever, but the Tennessee 3:09:41.760 --> 3:09:45.960 passing the drag law that other states are considering is 3:09:46.000 --> 3:09:53.760 a new bad thing that could criminalize our very public existence. Yeah, 3:09:53.920 --> 3:09:56.480 that is part of the kind of discussion around this 3:09:56.720 --> 3:10:00.680 laws ties to the pre existing obscenity laws, and that 3:10:00.720 --> 3:10:04.600 will heavily depend on the discretion that law enforcement chooses 3:10:04.640 --> 3:10:08.039 to employ this law, and if it gets taken up 3:10:08.080 --> 3:10:10.400 to the court system, how the court's going to interpret 3:10:10.440 --> 3:10:15.039 this law. So it is like the vagueness is part 3:10:15.040 --> 3:10:17.280 of the point because that causes a lot of fear 3:10:17.320 --> 3:10:20.240 because you really just don't know what it all entails. 3:10:20.920 --> 3:10:24.240 And yeah, that's fucking weird because you don't know if 3:10:24.280 --> 3:10:27.200 you going to the store is going to be a 3:10:27.240 --> 3:10:30.240 felony or not, And how are you supposed to live 3:10:30.240 --> 3:10:34.400 like that? Yeah, and it I don't know. The sort 3:10:34.440 --> 3:10:38.280 of pervasive atmosphere of fear is definitely like part of 3:10:38.320 --> 3:10:41.160 the point of this, right, Like part of the way 3:10:41.200 --> 3:10:44.119 the sort of extermination campaign works is by forcing everyone 3:10:44.160 --> 3:10:46.200 to sort of live in fear of what they can 3:10:46.280 --> 3:10:49.480 and can't do, and also live in fear specifically of 3:10:49.520 --> 3:10:52.320 the police increasing the amount of violence that they're deploying. Yeah, 3:10:52.360 --> 3:10:54.320 I mean, and all the stuff like we talked about, 3:10:54.560 --> 3:10:58.119 they're specifically targeting people's ability to exist in a public life, 3:10:58.600 --> 3:11:01.480 which is whenever you want to do a genocide, that's 3:11:01.520 --> 3:11:03.199 one of the things you do is you make people 3:11:03.280 --> 3:11:05.879 unable to exist in public life. This is literally what 3:11:05.920 --> 3:11:08.800 the Nazis did, right, Like you section them off into 3:11:08.840 --> 3:11:11.760 their own little communities where they cannot actually leave and 3:11:11.959 --> 3:11:16.680 enter into the outside world. Yep. So, so far as 3:11:16.680 --> 3:11:20.720 of writing this, there are seven states with bands on gender, 3:11:20.720 --> 3:11:22.400 firm and care for Youth. I was about to become 3:11:22.520 --> 3:11:25.400 number eight whenever the governor gets round as signing the bill. 3:11:25.480 --> 3:11:29.560 There are nineteen states that ban transathletes from competing. There 3:11:29.600 --> 3:11:32.800 are a number of states. Oh so other st forgot 3:11:32.959 --> 3:11:37.080 much So there's like literally while I was like, while 3:11:37.120 --> 3:11:40.720 I was like waiting to record this episode, there were 3:11:40.720 --> 3:11:45.880 a few things that happened in like the legislature. So 3:11:46.000 --> 3:11:49.160 in Florida, there was a bill that got just got 3:11:49.160 --> 3:11:53.360 out of committee that would ban LGBTQ books like in 3:11:53.440 --> 3:11:57.000 all libraries, not just sort of school libraries. So I 3:11:57.000 --> 3:11:58.680 don't know that that actually has a real chance of 3:11:58.680 --> 3:12:01.840 passing because it's Florida. There's a lot of movement right now. 3:12:01.920 --> 3:12:07.920 The situation is very very sort of fluid and bad. Yes, yeah, 3:12:08.000 --> 3:12:10.440 how I would say it it is, I think one 3:12:10.480 --> 3:12:13.520 closing note, I will save my kind of my ending 3:12:13.560 --> 3:12:15.720 thesis to start the next episode, just because we're going 3:12:15.760 --> 3:12:17.640 on so long here. But the last thing I will 3:12:17.640 --> 3:12:21.360 say is I be wary of social media accounts that 3:12:21.560 --> 3:12:24.080 depend on ramping up and spreading panic to grow their 3:12:24.080 --> 3:12:28.160 follower accounts. Typically news news aggregation accounts are not the 3:12:28.160 --> 3:12:31.359 best source of information because their existence is entirely dependent 3:12:31.600 --> 3:12:36.360 on causing panic. So like look into the things like 3:12:36.560 --> 3:12:39.440 beyond just a tweet, Like look into stuff before before 3:12:39.440 --> 3:12:42.400 you spread it, just as like a general rule of thumb. 3:12:42.440 --> 3:12:44.880 I'm not calling anybody out here in any way, I'm 3:12:44.920 --> 3:12:47.480 just saying it. It is a good practice to get into, 3:12:47.600 --> 3:12:51.640 especially when we're looking into stuff that is about our 3:12:51.760 --> 3:12:54.720 very existence being criminalized, and that can be very depressing 3:12:55.879 --> 3:12:58.840 and it can suck to be constantly bombarded with. So 3:12:58.920 --> 3:13:01.120 it's good to stayed to stuff that's going on in 3:13:01.120 --> 3:13:03.760 your own state. It's good to state connected to bills 3:13:03.800 --> 3:13:06.520 that have a decent trans of passing. But but be 3:13:07.120 --> 3:13:11.960 wary of of of of undo panic spreading just constantly, NonStop, 3:13:12.680 --> 3:13:14.760 because a big part of being trends needs to also 3:13:14.800 --> 3:13:18.800 be like finding joy in living Yeah, And I think 3:13:18.840 --> 3:13:20.800 I think the very last thing I want to say 3:13:20.840 --> 3:13:23.640 don't lead into this next episode is we're not fucking 3:13:23.680 --> 3:13:26.199 done yet. We are still here. We're going to continue 3:13:26.240 --> 3:13:28.240 to be here. We are going to kick these people's 3:13:28.240 --> 3:13:31.400 fucking shit in and we are going to fight them 3:13:31.400 --> 3:13:33.080 for every fucking inch and they are going to lose. 3:13:33.720 --> 3:13:36.080 And next episode is going to be us talking about 3:13:36.120 --> 3:13:55.080 how you can start doing that. Oh boy, welcome to 3:13:55.160 --> 3:13:57.520 It could happen here, and it sure do feel like 3:13:57.560 --> 3:14:02.240 it's happening, don't it. M thank for surviving that last long, 3:14:02.320 --> 3:14:05.200 excruciating episode full of basically just like a bunch of 3:14:05.200 --> 3:14:07.440 hate speech that we were trying to be like, Hey, 3:14:07.560 --> 3:14:11.080 doesn't this look like hate speech? This is bad. Maybe 3:14:11.200 --> 3:14:17.280 platforms like Spotify, YouTube other podcast hosting platforms that I 3:14:17.320 --> 3:14:20.840 am somehow forgetting the name of, but perhaps they shouldn't 3:14:20.879 --> 3:14:23.080 be hosting all of this Daily Wire content that is 3:14:23.560 --> 3:14:30.680 explicitly calling for genocide. Anyway, I think it is interesting 3:14:30.720 --> 3:14:32.640 what the Daily Wire is trying to do here because 3:14:32.800 --> 3:14:36.200 they obviously saw what is a woman? The documentary, the 3:14:36.240 --> 3:14:39.480 quote unquote documentary by Matt Walsh last year get incredible 3:14:39.480 --> 3:14:43.720 traction online and boost their subscription service. So now they're 3:14:43.760 --> 3:14:45.600 they're they're doubling dead on this because this is how 3:14:45.600 --> 3:14:49.000 they're gonna try to make content, and they are trying 3:14:49.040 --> 3:14:52.000 out as many rhetorical styles and arguments as possible just 3:14:52.120 --> 3:14:54.440 to see what sticks. Like it really feels like they're 3:14:54.440 --> 3:14:56.880 just doing like the shotgun method of like throwing every 3:14:56.920 --> 3:15:00.360 single possible reason that turns people are ikey up against 3:15:00.360 --> 3:15:02.959 the wall and seeing which one like catches on, like 3:15:02.959 --> 3:15:07.080 they're doing, they're doing a band and transgenderism entirely, what 3:15:07.320 --> 3:15:10.600 is a woman? Groomers? They can't be genocided because they 3:15:10.600 --> 3:15:15.440 don't exist. Attacking transgenderism as a cover for trans people. Right, 3:15:15.480 --> 3:15:18.440 So it's all these all these various various tactics, all 3:15:18.440 --> 3:15:22.800 these different rhetorical strategies, calling them demonic, it's it's it's 3:15:22.879 --> 3:15:25.320 it's very much trying to be like if we, if we, 3:15:25.400 --> 3:15:27.680 if we throw up as much stuff as possible attacking 3:15:27.680 --> 3:15:31.640 and demonizing trans people. Some of these trends will catch 3:15:31.680 --> 3:15:34.119 on online, right, some of these will will catch on, 3:15:34.320 --> 3:15:37.800 will be spread to legislators. Eventually something will stick. And 3:15:37.800 --> 3:15:39.520 that that is that is very much the tactic that 3:15:39.520 --> 3:15:42.400 they are trying to use. And I think this is 3:15:42.400 --> 3:15:45.280 a point I wanted to make last episode, but I 3:15:45.280 --> 3:15:47.640 think it's still it's it's it's useful to hear now 3:15:47.720 --> 3:15:52.320 kind of in retrospect everything all of the like extremism 3:15:52.320 --> 3:15:55.039 that you heard in in the last episode, all of 3:15:55.040 --> 3:15:59.080 these like very very fascist talking points. This is what 3:15:59.160 --> 3:16:03.680 conservatism is now, right, Like, this is the mainstream new right. 3:16:04.200 --> 3:16:08.840 Sure you can call it fascist because by definition it is, 3:16:09.440 --> 3:16:13.640 but sometimes that term fascist or fascism it carries with 3:16:13.680 --> 3:16:17.480 it this false sense of foreignness. It has like this, 3:16:17.600 --> 3:16:20.720 it has like this displacement in the time right. Most 3:16:20.800 --> 3:16:24.920 people view fascism as something that happens elsewhere or something 3:16:24.959 --> 3:16:29.560 that happened in the past. By by by just referring 3:16:29.600 --> 3:16:31.959 to this stuff as fascist, it creates a distance in 3:16:32.000 --> 3:16:37.440 people's minds. This this this like um exotic improbability. But 3:16:37.959 --> 3:16:42.000 this stuff is like the mainstream conservative platform that the 3:16:42.080 --> 3:16:44.800 up and coming leaders of the conservative movement are trying 3:16:44.800 --> 3:16:47.840 to normalize. That this was like the main talking point 3:16:47.840 --> 3:16:51.240 at CEPAC, which is like the biggest conservative convention in 3:16:51.280 --> 3:16:54.920 the entire country. It is this stuff is is what 3:16:54.959 --> 3:16:58.360 the conservative platform is now, and I think it is 3:16:59.040 --> 3:17:02.480 It is just as it's important to emphasize that this 3:17:02.600 --> 3:17:06.440 is what the modern conservative mainstream is, and it is 3:17:06.480 --> 3:17:08.280 it is. It is just as important to say that 3:17:08.320 --> 3:17:11.080 as it is to tie it and tie this rhetoric 3:17:11.320 --> 3:17:15.039 to the history of fascism, because the Overton window is 3:17:15.080 --> 3:17:18.879 certainly accelerating. Right, Like, this thing can both be heavily 3:17:18.920 --> 3:17:22.039 steeped in the history of fascist rhetoric and also be 3:17:22.200 --> 3:17:24.920 like the new up and coming version of the conservative 3:17:25.000 --> 3:17:27.720 right that the Daily Wire and its allies are trying 3:17:27.720 --> 3:17:30.440 to normalize. And I just think that is, that is 3:17:30.440 --> 3:17:32.200 something that I that I am trying to focus on 3:17:32.240 --> 3:17:34.000 a little bit more when I when I'm doing my 3:17:34.040 --> 3:17:37.280 writing and my research in these topics. Um is that 3:17:38.280 --> 3:17:40.760 we often will use terms like fascist because these things 3:17:40.760 --> 3:17:44.160 are are are pretty fascist, and I want to make 3:17:44.160 --> 3:17:46.760 sure that doesn't like create this false distance in people's 3:17:46.840 --> 3:17:49.680 in people's minds when they when they think about these bills, 3:17:49.720 --> 3:17:52.640 when they and when they think about this rhetoric. Yeah, 3:17:52.800 --> 3:17:56.480 and I and I think I think the way in 3:17:56.520 --> 3:18:00.680 which this is simply what the modern right is demands 3:18:00.840 --> 3:18:03.920 a different kind of response than a lot of what 3:18:04.000 --> 3:18:08.119 we've been seeing so far. Yeah, you can't simply try 3:18:08.120 --> 3:18:11.160 to catch them in their contradictions. You can't simply catch 3:18:11.200 --> 3:18:14.520 them in their hypocrisy. Every every tactic that liberals tried 3:18:14.560 --> 3:18:16.879 to use against Trump in the lead up to his election, 3:18:16.920 --> 3:18:19.840 and even Republicans try to use those tactics aren't going 3:18:19.840 --> 3:18:22.360 to be successful here because they weren't successful back then. 3:18:22.400 --> 3:18:25.600 Like you can't, you can't like outthink them in that 3:18:25.800 --> 3:18:28.720 in that way. Well, but the reason that you like 3:18:29.440 --> 3:18:31.000 when you when you call out, say the governor of 3:18:31.080 --> 3:18:33.480 Tennessee or lieutenant governor or whatever Tennessee for about his 3:18:33.520 --> 3:18:36.280 hypocrisy and how addressed and dragon stuff, it's not that. 3:18:38.040 --> 3:18:40.640 The thing that that does to defend it a little 3:18:40.640 --> 3:18:43.680 bit to that calling out is it doesn't make his supporters, 3:18:43.720 --> 3:18:45.640 It doesn't change his mind, It doesn't expose him as 3:18:45.640 --> 3:18:48.880 a hypocrite to his base, but it does expose him 3:18:48.879 --> 3:18:51.520 as a hypocrite to his enemies. UM, and I think 3:18:51.520 --> 3:18:55.400 it is worth understanding that are the people who have 3:18:55.480 --> 3:18:58.680 declared us their enemies. It's worth understanding that they are 3:18:58.720 --> 3:19:02.680 not like UM more worally consistent actors. You know, it 3:19:02.800 --> 3:19:05.240 is worth understanding that they don't believe the things they 3:19:05.240 --> 3:19:09.400 are saying. A lot of their base does. But so 3:19:09.480 --> 3:19:11.560 I actually do think that there is a point. Um, 3:19:11.600 --> 3:19:14.360 all of the shit talk on Trump or whatever. UM, 3:19:14.400 --> 3:19:16.280 I think might be part of how Trump didn't get 3:19:16.280 --> 3:19:18.879 elected again is because he as he got more and 3:19:18.920 --> 3:19:21.560 more defensive, he looked more and more ridiculous, not to 3:19:21.640 --> 3:19:26.120 his base, but to uh to the middle, which is 3:19:26.160 --> 3:19:29.119 basically the Democrats at this point. Yeah, it was able 3:19:29.120 --> 3:19:34.200 to recruit like a growing moderate oppositional force, which was 3:19:34.360 --> 3:19:37.800 what beat Trump. Trump was not beaten because people liked Biden. 3:19:38.200 --> 3:19:40.039 He was beaten because they didn't like Trump. And I 3:19:40.040 --> 3:19:42.240 think you are you are right in having that that 3:19:42.360 --> 3:19:44.560 is a point to focus on. Um. I think it's 3:19:44.640 --> 3:19:47.880 it's important to mention that like fascists do not believe 3:19:47.920 --> 3:19:50.600 in the absurdity of what they say, um, it is 3:19:50.959 --> 3:19:54.680 that that is not necessary to maintain fascism. Yeah, and 3:19:56.400 --> 3:20:00.720 I think I think so. The position we're at right 3:20:00.760 --> 3:20:03.560 now is a very very strange one for the left, 3:20:03.760 --> 3:20:07.879 which is that we're in a position where, you know, 3:20:07.879 --> 3:20:10.480 when when when the Republicans tried to run on this 3:20:10.520 --> 3:20:13.879 shit in in twenty twenty two, they got destroyed. Right, 3:20:13.879 --> 3:20:18.760 this is actually have mass popularity. This is what I 3:20:18.760 --> 3:20:21.680 wanted to talk about next I have this is this 3:20:21.760 --> 3:20:23.800 is the very last section I have written is on 3:20:23.840 --> 3:20:27.600 this topic, because yeah, this off putting focus on like 3:20:27.640 --> 3:20:30.800 a genocide and like the culture war stuff seemed to 3:20:30.920 --> 3:20:34.959 hurt conservatives in the last election cycle ended, and yet 3:20:35.000 --> 3:20:38.560 again there they are. They are still doubling down on it. Um. 3:20:38.879 --> 3:20:42.000 Voters in some of swing states were turned off by 3:20:42.000 --> 3:20:46.000 the focus on the regression of queer rights instead of 3:20:46.040 --> 3:20:50.200 like actually addressing material conditions. This strategy, though, is a 3:20:50.200 --> 3:20:53.160 core concept of the fascist project right. Instead of addressing 3:20:53.160 --> 3:20:56.200 material conditions under capitalism to improve people's lives, right wing 3:20:56.240 --> 3:20:59.400 populists will conjure up this culture war bilgie Man to 3:20:59.480 --> 3:21:02.160 blame all of like society's problems on and to to 3:21:02.680 --> 3:21:06.400 talk about the social war that is contributing to degeneracy. 3:21:08.440 --> 3:21:11.720 I also think that they're winning, unfortunately not winning in 3:21:11.800 --> 3:21:15.480 a broader sense, but in terms of um, yes, this 3:21:15.560 --> 3:21:17.959 is a very unpopular issue that they're doubling down on. 3:21:18.280 --> 3:21:21.600 But I think that, um, you know, I've I've seen 3:21:21.640 --> 3:21:24.359 studies where like a higher percentage of the US population 3:21:24.920 --> 3:21:28.200 supports anti trans stuff than did two years ago. It's 3:21:28.200 --> 3:21:31.480 still a minority thing to hate trans people, but it 3:21:31.600 --> 3:21:34.760 is a growing minority. Um. Yes, which is why, like 3:21:34.760 --> 3:21:36.400 we're talking about how in a lot of ways it's 3:21:36.520 --> 3:21:39.640 easier to be trans in twenty fifteen than it is now. 3:21:40.120 --> 3:21:43.200 Um And And kind of on that point, I'm going 3:21:43.240 --> 3:21:45.800 to play the very final clip of Michael Knowles. We 3:21:46.080 --> 3:21:49.840 will never have to hear his voice again, hopefully his 3:21:50.000 --> 3:21:54.120 annoying little voice. UM. But I'm I'm gonna play a 3:21:54.160 --> 3:21:56.920 bit of a longer clip from him. Um. And this 3:21:57.000 --> 3:22:00.640 is from his initial like band Transgenderism entire early rant. 3:22:01.000 --> 3:22:03.920 And I'm only going to play this because he actually 3:22:03.959 --> 3:22:07.000 makes a point that we ourselves have made before when 3:22:07.000 --> 3:22:11.480 discussing this topic. The conservative right is desperately trying to 3:22:11.520 --> 3:22:14.959 play catch up. Right, Us who believe in like liberation 3:22:15.080 --> 3:22:19.320 and freedom have been winning historically, and the rights getting 3:22:19.440 --> 3:22:22.879 very scared and desperate. So in response, they're introducing all 3:22:22.879 --> 3:22:25.520 of these bills, right, and they're accelerating these types of 3:22:25.920 --> 3:22:31.000 eliminationist rhetoric. But in this clip, Michael Knowles provides us 3:22:31.000 --> 3:22:33.960 with our pathway to victory. We cannot simply hold our 3:22:34.000 --> 3:22:36.920 ground on these issues. We have to keep pushing forward. 3:22:36.920 --> 3:22:39.879 Because as long as we keep going forward and get 3:22:39.920 --> 3:22:42.240 on the offense, the right will be stuck playing a 3:22:42.320 --> 3:22:46.680 catch up forever. And it reminds us of a truth 3:22:46.680 --> 3:22:50.560 and politics that Republicans all too often forget. You're either 3:22:50.840 --> 3:22:56.560 on offense or you're on defense. You're either making gains 3:22:56.600 --> 3:22:59.199 in the culture or you're losing ground in the culture. 3:22:59.240 --> 3:23:02.439 There's no standing still, there's no status quo, there's no neutrality. 3:23:02.600 --> 3:23:04.840 And what the Conservatives have screwed up on for at 3:23:04.920 --> 3:23:08.360 least fifty years now, probably more, is the Libs make 3:23:08.480 --> 3:23:11.760 some crazy aggressive play and then we try to dial 3:23:11.800 --> 3:23:15.200 it back by about five to ten percent, or worse, 3:23:15.280 --> 3:23:18.400 we try to slow it down by about five to 3:23:18.400 --> 3:23:22.920 ten percent. So the Libs attack the family through feminism, 3:23:23.640 --> 3:23:27.480 the fundamental political institution. They claim that men and women 3:23:27.480 --> 3:23:31.160 are basically the same. That takes the culture pretty far 3:23:31.200 --> 3:23:33.920 to the left. And then Conservatives try to try to 3:23:33.959 --> 3:23:36.280 inch it back a little bit, but not by the 3:23:36.280 --> 3:23:38.680 time they're even thinking about inching it back, the Libs 3:23:38.720 --> 3:23:41.840 push forward with the normalization of other sexual practices. They 3:23:41.920 --> 3:23:45.160 agree with this, and then by the time the Conservatives 3:23:45.160 --> 3:23:47.240 are trying to dial all that back, they've lurched much 3:23:47.280 --> 3:23:49.920 further to the left. They're trying to redefine marriage. Now 3:23:50.040 --> 3:23:51.960 they're saying redefine marriage. Well, I don't know. I guess 3:23:51.959 --> 3:23:53.360 we could come to some kind of terms with a 3:23:53.440 --> 3:23:55.680 civil union. And by the time you say that, they've 3:23:55.959 --> 3:23:58.480 lurched even further to the left. Now they're saying, actually, 3:23:58.480 --> 3:24:01.560 we've got transgenderism. She Now a man can become a woman, 3:24:01.560 --> 3:24:04.480 a man can become a woman. Okay, but but maybe 3:24:04.480 --> 3:24:05.920 we shouldn't do it till mind. By the time we 3:24:05.959 --> 3:24:07.840 say that, oh my gosh, we're now we're all the 3:24:07.879 --> 3:24:10.119 way off the screen because now they're trying to train 3:24:10.120 --> 3:24:13.000 as the kids. And there are many conservatives never were saying, Look, 3:24:13.240 --> 3:24:14.400 if you want, if you're a man and you want 3:24:14.400 --> 3:24:16.080 to put on address, that's fine, but just don't do 3:24:16.120 --> 3:24:19.480 it to children. Just don't make me pay for it. No, 3:24:20.640 --> 3:24:23.720 that is such an interesting little cliff. No, I mean 3:24:24.280 --> 3:24:26.000 it's funny because this is like kind of this is 3:24:26.040 --> 3:24:27.760 what I've been saying for a long time, since about 3:24:27.760 --> 3:24:30.680 twenty fifteen or so, like looking at the rise all 3:24:30.760 --> 3:24:32.920 this shit and you know, Trump and all that is 3:24:32.959 --> 3:24:36.400 that we were winning. Culturally, I hate the word culture 3:24:36.440 --> 3:24:39.080 war now means something different. It means arguing about guns 3:24:39.160 --> 3:24:44.240 or whatever. But like we were winning on a cultural 3:24:44.360 --> 3:24:48.960 front very dramatically, and like I would point to Stephen 3:24:49.120 --> 3:24:52.840 Universe as the evidence that we are winning, right, you know. 3:24:54.400 --> 3:24:57.279 And then they basically had to play to their strengths. 3:24:57.600 --> 3:25:00.680 And he's talking about He's like, look, the it's funny 3:25:00.720 --> 3:25:02.480 that so much this is happening on a cultural front 3:25:02.720 --> 3:25:07.000 because it is not a conservative strength. They have some 3:25:07.080 --> 3:25:09.600 cards in their hand when it comes to cultural stuff, 3:25:09.640 --> 3:25:14.680 you know, the antimidarity stuff when it does weird, anti semitic, 3:25:15.480 --> 3:25:17.840 you know, almost anti capitalism or whatever. That's like a 3:25:17.920 --> 3:25:20.120 strong card they like pulling out all the time. But 3:25:20.160 --> 3:25:22.320 conservatives overall are not very good at the cultural thing. 3:25:22.320 --> 3:25:26.240 But they're good at is politics and violence. And so 3:25:26.400 --> 3:25:29.520 they're playing to their immediate strengths as hard and fast 3:25:29.520 --> 3:25:32.200 as they can because they're on their back foot. Yeah, no, 3:25:32.320 --> 3:25:35.840 they are. They they're defaulting to advocating physical violence and 3:25:35.959 --> 3:25:39.280 enforcing their worldview with violence and advocate and doing stuff 3:25:39.280 --> 3:25:43.119 on like the political legislative front because they've realized just 3:25:43.360 --> 3:25:46.960 screaming about transpeople isn't enough. They have to actually start 3:25:47.160 --> 3:25:50.640 dedicating millions and millions and millions of dollars to pushing 3:25:50.640 --> 3:25:53.680 these through state legislative cycles, which is why The Daily 3:25:53.680 --> 3:25:55.879 Wire has su spent the past month and a half 3:25:56.160 --> 3:25:59.040 harping on this so hard as the legislative cycle for 3:25:59.040 --> 3:26:03.000 twenty twenty three is starting to like ramp up. Yeah, 3:26:03.040 --> 3:26:05.360 And I think there's another thing here, which is the 3:26:05.400 --> 3:26:08.760 sort of fundamental disparity, you know, the fact that they've 3:26:08.840 --> 3:26:13.480 chosen this front, right, there's a fundamental disparity in what 3:26:13.520 --> 3:26:15.720 they have to do versus what we have to do. Right, 3:26:16.080 --> 3:26:18.520 and and this this, this is a giant sort of 3:26:19.560 --> 3:26:24.360 shift in a way that I don't think has we 3:26:24.400 --> 3:26:26.400 don't I don't think the left really has much experience 3:26:26.440 --> 3:26:28.160 with right, which is like, the thing that is happening 3:26:28.200 --> 3:26:29.840 in the US right now is that we are the 3:26:29.840 --> 3:26:33.880 silent majority, Like this is this is true when when 3:26:33.959 --> 3:26:36.160 like consistently over and over again, when you when you 3:26:36.200 --> 3:26:39.880 look at polling on these issues, right, like just regular 3:26:39.959 --> 3:26:42.760 people are like, what the fuck are you guys doing? Right? 3:26:42.879 --> 3:26:47.040 The problem is that you know, we haven't those people 3:26:47.040 --> 3:26:50.120 haven't been mobilized. And you know, it doesn't matter if 3:26:50.120 --> 3:26:52.520 you're a majority as long as these sort of like 3:26:52.560 --> 3:26:55.720 you know, because because again, like who the actual majority 3:26:56.040 --> 3:26:58.560 is in the us or like who actually what what 3:26:58.560 --> 3:27:02.080 what actual regular people believe has very very little impact 3:27:02.560 --> 3:27:04.400 on the kinds of policies that are that are that 3:27:04.400 --> 3:27:06.920 are sort of enacted. But you know, but there's a 3:27:06.959 --> 3:27:09.840 second sort of issue here, right, which is the conservatives 3:27:09.879 --> 3:27:13.000 have like, because of the fact that we are, right now, 3:27:13.120 --> 3:27:15.119 the sort of silent majority that we have a kind 3:27:15.879 --> 3:27:17.879 of I guess you know, the gramsyan thing would be 3:27:17.920 --> 3:27:20.640 like hegemony, right, but like we have we have an 3:27:20.640 --> 3:27:25.880 advantage in just how average people behave. Right, they have 3:27:26.000 --> 3:27:29.120 to kill us, they have to fucking kill us. They 3:27:29.120 --> 3:27:30.840 have to make it illegal for us to exist, and 3:27:30.879 --> 3:27:33.400 they could do this right there, there is a there 3:27:33.440 --> 3:27:35.240 is a real there is a real possibility that they 3:27:35.240 --> 3:27:37.840 can win. Right. They are winning on this rent right now. 3:27:38.240 --> 3:27:40.000 This is this is what they are you know, in 3:27:40.000 --> 3:27:41.720 the places where they have power. This is what they 3:27:41.720 --> 3:27:45.879 are doing. All we really have to do is survive. 3:27:46.879 --> 3:27:50.880 Because if if we survive and we're able to stop them, 3:27:51.160 --> 3:27:52.600 you know, I mean, even if we don't get sort 3:27:52.600 --> 3:27:54.840 of like Argentina style, like we're gonna have like like 3:27:54.920 --> 3:27:57.160 hiring mandates for trans people, right, Like, even if we 3:27:57.240 --> 3:28:00.760 just hold the ground that we already have, we will 3:28:00.760 --> 3:28:06.400 win inevitably, right, like the sort of march of where 3:28:06.440 --> 3:28:09.440 of where the culture has been going will favor us. 3:28:09.560 --> 3:28:11.680 Trans people will be able to sort of exist in public. 3:28:11.680 --> 3:28:15.640 Trans people will be able to survive unless they kill 3:28:15.720 --> 3:28:18.920 us right now. And that's that's that's sort of that's 3:28:18.920 --> 3:28:22.000 the sort of the key thing that that Knowles has realized, right, 3:28:22.080 --> 3:28:26.600 is that this is the critical moments where either we 3:28:26.680 --> 3:28:28.879 win and we interns people get to continue our lives, 3:28:29.000 --> 3:28:32.039 or they kill us. I would argue that it's not 3:28:32.240 --> 3:28:35.000 just kill us. I think that even though we're listening 3:28:35.040 --> 3:28:38.080 to all this exterminationist rhetoric, I think that the odds 3:28:38.080 --> 3:28:40.120 are that most of these people don't actually envision a 3:28:40.160 --> 3:28:42.240 future where they're like rounding us up and putting us 3:28:42.240 --> 3:28:45.000 in camps and gassing us. I think that overall, it's 3:28:45.040 --> 3:28:47.960 a drive back into the closet. I actually I actually 3:28:48.000 --> 3:28:50.680 take them at their word that they want to destroy transgenderism, 3:28:51.040 --> 3:28:54.720 and if transgender people have to die along the way, 3:28:54.760 --> 3:28:58.240 that's on us. But if we, you know, put on 3:28:58.280 --> 3:29:02.039 appropriate clothing and shut the fuck up, like, I actually 3:29:02.040 --> 3:29:04.760 think that that would suit them just fine. So I 3:29:04.800 --> 3:29:07.920 actually think they have to kill transgenderism. I think that's 3:29:07.959 --> 3:29:11.200 true now, but I don't know how true that is 3:29:11.480 --> 3:29:14.960 as they keep actually having to implement there. They don't 3:29:14.959 --> 3:29:17.840 think being trans actually exists though, right like they they 3:29:17.879 --> 3:29:20.720 think it just is people doing these things. So as 3:29:20.720 --> 3:29:24.600 long as trans people are able to, for one, maybe 3:29:24.600 --> 3:29:28.280 even not even realize their trans to like repress that 3:29:28.480 --> 3:29:30.320 and just live their lives as if they were as 3:29:30.360 --> 3:29:33.520 this person, that that that is all that that that's 3:29:33.520 --> 3:29:35.920 what conservatives think trans people already are. And I think 3:29:35.959 --> 3:29:37.720 that that is a large part. That is a large 3:29:37.800 --> 3:29:40.000 large part of it is making us just not able 3:29:40.040 --> 3:29:43.320 to be trans in public life at all in any capacity. 3:29:43.360 --> 3:29:46.320 I think that's true, but I don't. I don't think 3:29:46.440 --> 3:29:50.400 they can. I don't think their political path allows them 3:29:50.440 --> 3:29:53.920 to maintain that position. Like I don't. I don't think 3:29:54.000 --> 3:29:56.440 they can, Like I like, you know what, one of 3:29:56.480 --> 3:29:58.039 one of the things that's happening with with right right 3:29:58.080 --> 3:30:00.560 now is they're they're they're they're doing those feedback right 3:30:00.600 --> 3:30:02.840 where they get you know, like like where where they're 3:30:02.879 --> 3:30:05.480 they're sort of media people right or are continuously radicalized 3:30:05.480 --> 3:30:08.199 by their base, and their base radicalizes them back. And 3:30:08.320 --> 3:30:11.119 I don't I don't think they can maintain an equlibrium 3:30:11.160 --> 3:30:13.440 position that doesn't involve like we have to hunt all 3:30:13.440 --> 3:30:15.200 these people down to make sure they don't go after 3:30:15.200 --> 3:30:17.200 our kids. Like I know, I don't don't think they're 3:30:17.200 --> 3:30:18.440 gonna I don't think they're doing that now. I don't 3:30:18.440 --> 3:30:21.120 think they're planning that now. But it's it's I don't 3:30:21.160 --> 3:30:25.080 know how they can keep up this cycle without eventually 3:30:25.120 --> 3:30:28.680 getting to something like that. Well it's worth, it's worth 3:30:28.720 --> 3:30:32.480 being prepared for that type of possibility. But the kind 3:30:32.480 --> 3:30:34.480 of thing that I feel like, really strongly about with 3:30:34.480 --> 3:30:37.160 all of this is to like really not like the 3:30:37.200 --> 3:30:39.720 sky is falling, but it's not falling the way that 3:30:39.720 --> 3:30:43.680 we sometimes say it is. And and when we say 3:30:43.680 --> 3:30:45.480 this guy is falling in a way that people look 3:30:45.480 --> 3:30:47.080 around they're like, oh, just know how this guy is 3:30:47.080 --> 3:30:49.560 falling to me, then people get like, well, actually, I 3:30:49.600 --> 3:30:52.560 think you all are being hyperbolic, right, yes, And and 3:30:52.600 --> 3:30:55.520 so I think that we do need to be really 3:30:55.560 --> 3:31:00.760 clear that they are open to the possibility of mass 3:31:00.879 --> 3:31:05.920 murdering us, and they are actively discussing individual acts of 3:31:06.000 --> 3:31:10.840 violence being very justified against us. But currently I believe 3:31:10.879 --> 3:31:12.840 the thing that they are trying to do is eradicate 3:31:13.560 --> 3:31:18.160 the concept of being trans as a thing you can 3:31:18.240 --> 3:31:23.680 do in American society. And of course, like there's a 3:31:23.680 --> 3:31:27.360 lot of people who believe in death before detransition, and 3:31:27.840 --> 3:31:30.039 all fucking power to I don't even know where I 3:31:30.080 --> 3:31:31.600 fall in all this shit. I'm not trying to. I 3:31:31.640 --> 3:31:33.280 literally don't want to opine about it because I don't 3:31:33.280 --> 3:31:36.400 want to give anyone. I don't want to tell anyone 3:31:36.440 --> 3:31:38.240 to do about that shit. Right, Everyone makes their own 3:31:38.280 --> 3:31:42.320 decisions about closeting not closeting based on their own positions, 3:31:42.400 --> 3:31:45.600 you know. But I think we do have to be 3:31:45.680 --> 3:31:47.560 like careful about it. And I think one of the 3:31:47.600 --> 3:31:52.080 reasons is because, from my point of view, they have 3:31:52.160 --> 3:31:54.720 picked trans people not because they care so much about us, 3:31:54.760 --> 3:31:57.760 but because we're a wedge issue. You know. We saw 3:31:57.800 --> 3:32:01.160 this in like actually I don't want to name them 3:32:01.160 --> 3:32:03.240 because I don't want to get or whatever, like different 3:32:03.800 --> 3:32:08.080 large coalitions of LGBT people were perfectly willing to drop 3:32:08.120 --> 3:32:10.520 the T twenty years ago if in order to get 3:32:10.560 --> 3:32:13.080 certain like equal rights ship passed. They just like straight 3:32:13.160 --> 3:32:15.480 up like trans people did all this fucking work organizing 3:32:15.480 --> 3:32:17.360 for this ship. As soon as it got to like 3:32:17.680 --> 3:32:20.279 higher up level in the government. They were like, oh, 3:32:20.360 --> 3:32:22.520 trans people, that's gonna be a problem. We're gonna take 3:32:22.560 --> 3:32:27.000 them off of their right and you know, and because 3:32:27.040 --> 3:32:30.480 we are a wedge issue, and we always have been, 3:32:30.520 --> 3:32:32.200 and I think the Nazis used us in a very 3:32:32.240 --> 3:32:38.080 similar way. But even within US, there's trans sorry, there's 3:32:38.080 --> 3:32:41.240 wedge issues within that. And so sports was the first 3:32:41.280 --> 3:32:44.039 wedge issue. I actually believe I was reading this earlier, 3:32:44.040 --> 3:32:45.480 but I wasn't reading it for this, so I didn't 3:32:45.480 --> 3:32:49.000 take notes. I believe that the majority of Americans do 3:32:49.040 --> 3:32:51.240 not believe that trans people should be able to compete 3:32:52.200 --> 3:32:58.760 in high school sports based on their preferred gender. I'm 3:32:58.800 --> 3:33:01.520 under the impression that is minority position to be trans 3:33:01.560 --> 3:33:05.640 supportive of trans athletes in school. And so that is 3:33:05.680 --> 3:33:08.600 the wedge issue that they used to open up this 3:33:08.640 --> 3:33:12.640 divide in order to then come at us. But we're 3:33:12.680 --> 3:33:14.720 still just a wedge issue. And one of the reasons 3:33:14.800 --> 3:33:16.560 I think it's so important for people to understand us 3:33:16.560 --> 3:33:18.840 as a wedge issue is so that people understand, like 3:33:18.959 --> 3:33:21.480 really clearly that they are not fucking stopping with us. 3:33:22.959 --> 3:33:25.480 You know, this is like absolutely about like you can 3:33:25.560 --> 3:33:27.200 hear it, and that guy talking because one of the 3:33:27.200 --> 3:33:29.320 other things he's talking about is he's talking about like 3:33:29.760 --> 3:33:31.720 women need to get back in the kitchen and be 3:33:31.760 --> 3:33:34.120 obedient to their husbands and shit. And one of the 3:33:34.160 --> 3:33:37.080 reasons that trans people scare them so much is because 3:33:37.080 --> 3:33:40.040 we like, like it's so funny because like largely, by 3:33:40.080 --> 3:33:42.039 and large, like trans men are left out of this 3:33:42.080 --> 3:33:44.200 discussion and trans women are seeing these like evil monsters 3:33:44.280 --> 3:33:47.120 or whatever. Right, but trans men are absolutely part of 3:33:47.120 --> 3:33:53.400 it because massive threat. Absolutely because it's stealing women from them. 3:33:53.440 --> 3:33:57.360 It is stealing their fucking wives that they want to have. 3:33:57.600 --> 3:34:00.800 They want to fucking own women, and like so they 3:34:00.879 --> 3:34:04.080 can't handle the idea of anyway whatever. I know a 3:34:04.080 --> 3:34:05.600 lot of a lot of the things they get so 3:34:05.640 --> 3:34:08.320 mad about is when they see a young transgai on 3:34:08.400 --> 3:34:10.960 TikTok and they're like, look, sorry, this is going to 3:34:11.040 --> 3:34:14.119 be like gross, but like, look at this potentially beautiful 3:34:14.160 --> 3:34:20.280 woman who's now been ruined, like just horrible, horrible, horrible, right, 3:34:20.480 --> 3:34:22.400 But that is but we have so many grown men, 3:34:22.520 --> 3:34:25.560 like thirsting over fourteen year old like a fab people 3:34:25.800 --> 3:34:27.840 who are who are deciding that hey, maybe I want 3:34:27.840 --> 3:34:29.920 to start HRT, maybe I want to use different pronouns 3:34:29.959 --> 3:34:32.800 maybe I want to have a binder and this They 3:34:32.840 --> 3:34:35.680 get so so mad at that. And I think a 3:34:35.760 --> 3:34:38.840 big part of not not simply I think, I think 3:34:38.840 --> 3:34:41.000 it is truly not enough just to hold our ground. 3:34:41.040 --> 3:34:42.840 We have to keep going forward. And a big part 3:34:42.879 --> 3:34:46.760 of that is having more intersectionality with transmasculine people. A 3:34:46.800 --> 3:34:49.119 big part of that is having a much much more 3:34:49.120 --> 3:34:51.560 of a focus on gender not nonconforming people and non 3:34:51.560 --> 3:34:55.039 binary people. Um. Because we have we have to keep 3:34:55.080 --> 3:34:57.120 pushing it forward. We cannot simply hold our ground on 3:34:57.160 --> 3:35:00.080 this because if if we simply hold our ground, they 3:35:00.080 --> 3:35:02.879 can pull out the rug from from under us. UM. 3:35:03.240 --> 3:35:05.360 So I think that is that is that is a 3:35:05.400 --> 3:35:07.760 massive part of this, and I think I do believe 3:35:07.760 --> 3:35:11.120 that we will win. I fundamentally do because if you 3:35:11.200 --> 3:35:13.920 look at if you look at like the rights of 3:35:13.920 --> 3:35:18.080 which young people zoomers and even the generation younger than zoobers, 3:35:18.080 --> 3:35:20.400 I do not know what they're called, um, but if 3:35:20.440 --> 3:35:23.119 you look at the amount of amount of us who 3:35:23.200 --> 3:35:26.800 are who who self identify us non binary, trans or 3:35:26.840 --> 3:35:30.640 gender nonconforming, it is so much bigger than any previous 3:35:30.920 --> 3:35:35.320 generation people. Once people experience a form of freedom, it 3:35:35.480 --> 3:35:38.360 is hard to take that freedom away. There are so 3:35:38.400 --> 3:35:40.959 many people who are entering their teens and are realizing 3:35:40.959 --> 3:35:42.560 they can be so much more free and they don't 3:35:42.560 --> 3:35:46.240 need to be limited to these weird, draconian like dualistic 3:35:46.280 --> 3:35:48.800 notions of gender. And that's amazing. If you look at 3:35:49.240 --> 3:35:52.160 a whole new wave of like actors and actresses and 3:35:52.240 --> 3:35:55.879 people in the entertainment industry, almost all of our non binary, 3:35:56.040 --> 3:35:58.760 like the person who plays Ellie in the in the 3:35:59.400 --> 3:36:03.800 Last of Us is transum. I believe they identify trans 3:36:04.480 --> 3:36:07.920 non binary or some of them of gender queer. But 3:36:08.040 --> 3:36:10.280 this sort of play Ellie like that too anyway, I 3:36:10.280 --> 3:36:13.600 just like absolutely, but this is something that that keeps happening. 3:36:13.760 --> 3:36:16.120 We are going to win this because there's so many 3:36:16.160 --> 3:36:19.720 of us and we know that it rules to exist 3:36:19.800 --> 3:36:21.640 like this, and we're not going to let them take 3:36:21.680 --> 3:36:23.520 it away. And I think that that is a big 3:36:23.560 --> 3:36:27.400 part of not only standing our ground, but continuing to 3:36:27.440 --> 3:36:30.560 move forward with the confidence that we will win in 3:36:30.720 --> 3:36:33.560 the long run. Yeah, and I think that we can. 3:36:34.360 --> 3:36:36.920 And I think that like a lot of the stuff, 3:36:36.959 --> 3:36:41.440 including myself, right, Um, I'm famously armed. I'm someone who 3:36:41.520 --> 3:36:44.720 you know, believes in self defense and in all of 3:36:44.720 --> 3:36:48.480 these things, right, Um, But I think that we always 3:36:48.560 --> 3:36:51.880 need to like focus on our strengths when it comes 3:36:51.879 --> 3:36:54.920 to being especially on the offense, right. And so when 3:36:54.920 --> 3:36:57.680 I think about like strategizing how do we win, the 3:36:57.720 --> 3:36:59.600 stuff that you're talking about about staying on the offensive 3:36:59.640 --> 3:37:03.880 makes so much sense. And I think that, to misquote 3:37:03.879 --> 3:37:05.680 the art of war, you attack your enemy where they 3:37:05.680 --> 3:37:09.120 are weak and you are strong, you know, and so like, 3:37:09.520 --> 3:37:13.320 and they are weak at cultural creation and I don't 3:37:13.320 --> 3:37:18.560 mean culture wars and culture war issues like art like creativity. Yeah, 3:37:18.600 --> 3:37:23.000 and so like we win because we say because our 3:37:23.040 --> 3:37:26.280 ideas are good, and when we express them, people are like, 3:37:26.400 --> 3:37:31.200 oh that sounds sick. I want to be free, right yeah. Um. Now, 3:37:31.240 --> 3:37:34.519 at the same time, we need to shore up our weaknesses. 3:37:34.840 --> 3:37:38.800 And I think our weaknesses at the moment are in 3:37:38.840 --> 3:37:42.080 the political sphere, which we're at on a back We're 3:37:42.120 --> 3:37:43.720 on the back foot right now because of all the 3:37:44.280 --> 3:37:46.400 I guess I don't track this stuff as much, but 3:37:46.440 --> 3:37:48.480 like all the judges and shit that got put in 3:37:48.560 --> 3:37:53.000 under Trump, and we are also not at our strongest. 3:37:53.080 --> 3:37:55.240 I'm not trying to call us weak here, but like 3:37:55.600 --> 3:37:58.160 far few of us, few of us are like weird 3:37:58.280 --> 3:38:03.039 gun nuts and like no, you know, militant strategy protect 3:38:03.040 --> 3:38:06.080 e type people. And I we've seen us shoring up 3:38:06.120 --> 3:38:09.720 that weakness and that rules. But I think it's always important. 3:38:10.480 --> 3:38:12.240 Maybe not always, maybe there would be a time when 3:38:12.240 --> 3:38:15.279 this would shift, But overall, I don't think that's our strength. 3:38:15.320 --> 3:38:17.600 That's not where we go on the offense. That is 3:38:17.640 --> 3:38:25.200 where we stay, like protecting ourselves. Yes, and no. DREG 3:38:25.280 --> 3:38:29.200 defense like DREG defense, square defense that has defense in 3:38:29.240 --> 3:38:33.600 the name, exactly, It is crucially important, exactly. It also 3:38:34.080 --> 3:38:37.640 terrifies the fascist right. The fact the fact that like 3:38:37.959 --> 3:38:40.160 like that one one hundred and forty pound twink can 3:38:40.200 --> 3:38:43.560 carry an AAR and defend a DREG show terrifies fascists. 3:38:44.120 --> 3:38:50.680 It utterly destroys their brains. You know. For sequalizations a 3:38:50.720 --> 3:38:55.640 hell of a thing. Sorry, buddy, The trigger pole is 3:38:55.640 --> 3:39:01.000 two and a half pounds. Yeah, you know what else 3:39:01.080 --> 3:39:06.680 is a four key force equalizer, the force of advertising 3:39:13.280 --> 3:39:16.800 and pole arms. As as long as we don't have 3:39:16.800 --> 3:39:18.840 an ad for a rabbit air who has an office 3:39:18.920 --> 3:39:24.640 in Pasadena, California, I'm fine. So I think if you've 3:39:24.680 --> 3:39:28.080 listened to the show a lot, they're they're One of 3:39:28.120 --> 3:39:31.800 the sort of sub themes of a lot of the 3:39:31.879 --> 3:39:34.879 writing that I do is thinking about what we owe 3:39:34.920 --> 3:39:40.320 the dead. And on the face of it, it's a 3:39:40.360 --> 3:39:43.400 sort of nonsensical question. Right, you can't have any kind 3:39:43.400 --> 3:39:47.040 of reciprocal relationship with someone who's dead, because well, you know, 3:39:47.120 --> 3:39:51.920 they're dead. And this question, this question of what we 3:39:51.959 --> 3:39:54.280 owe the dead is a question board of grief, of 3:39:54.280 --> 3:39:57.680 a kind of sort of raw and immaculate anguish that 3:39:57.720 --> 3:40:00.680 comes to the memory of people who are like you 3:40:00.760 --> 3:40:02.920 in every way except that you're here and they're not. 3:40:03.560 --> 3:40:07.039 And this was written, you know, this is written seven 3:40:07.080 --> 3:40:11.720 weeks ago. The people this is written for aren't even 3:40:11.760 --> 3:40:18.040 the same people that you know, that that that like 3:40:18.160 --> 3:40:22.360 that that is for now. Right, the question, in some 3:40:22.400 --> 3:40:24.240 sense becomes, what do we owe the people who have 3:40:24.360 --> 3:40:26.680 died and were thus denied to live, that denied the 3:40:26.760 --> 3:40:29.520 chance to live the lives that we do You know what, 3:40:29.520 --> 3:40:32.520 what do we owe them? What do we owe these 3:40:32.520 --> 3:40:35.640 people that we failed to keep alive? And this has 3:40:35.640 --> 3:40:38.160 an answer, this has this has a very very definite 3:40:38.240 --> 3:40:41.520 political answer. We owe them the destruction of the world 3:40:41.560 --> 3:40:43.840 that killed them. We owe them a future that we 3:40:43.879 --> 3:40:45.440 owe them the future that they should have had, and 3:40:45.480 --> 3:40:49.320 we owe them, we owe them a world where they 3:40:49.360 --> 3:40:51.879 never take another one of this another one of us. Again, 3:40:52.840 --> 3:40:55.080 the world is already fucking burning. It is time to 3:40:55.120 --> 3:40:59.160 start the counterfire now. One of one of the things 3:40:59.200 --> 3:41:01.360 that you that you will hear a lot, and this, 3:41:01.560 --> 3:41:04.560 this is, this has been, this has been one of 3:41:04.600 --> 3:41:07.760 the sort of dominant responses, for better or for worse, 3:41:08.640 --> 3:41:11.640 from how people are thinking about these laws is that 3:41:11.720 --> 3:41:14.440 these laws, you know, these anti trans laws are unconstitutional 3:41:14.840 --> 3:41:19.240 and that does not matter. That does not matter for shit, 3:41:19.760 --> 3:41:24.320 right like, oh, oh, our old friend the Constitution. Ha, 3:41:24.680 --> 3:41:26.760 Like I just, I just I need. I need everyone 3:41:26.800 --> 3:41:30.160 to understand that the ability of the Supreme Court to 3:41:30.280 --> 3:41:33.560 strike down a law is not in the Constitution. None 3:41:33.560 --> 3:41:35.720 of this ship matters. They're making all of it up. 3:41:36.040 --> 3:41:39.360 The only thing that actually matters is power. And to 3:41:39.680 --> 3:41:42.400 understand why the law is about power and you know, 3:41:42.560 --> 3:41:46.160 and and why legality is not actually a tool that 3:41:46.200 --> 3:41:47.480 we can rely on. I want to I want to 3:41:47.520 --> 3:41:50.120 tell the story. I'm not sure if I've told this 3:41:50.160 --> 3:41:53.480 story on on this on this podcast before, but I 3:41:53.520 --> 3:41:55.320 want to tell the story of the worst mistake I 3:41:55.400 --> 3:41:59.960 ever made as an activist. So the year is two thousand. 3:42:00.240 --> 3:42:04.280 In seventeen, Donald Trump's Executive Order one three seven six nine, 3:42:04.760 --> 3:42:09.280 locally known as the Muslim Ban, has prevented people from Iran, 3:42:09.360 --> 3:42:13.680 Iraq with whore they drop a rock, later Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, 3:42:13.720 --> 3:42:18.480 and Yemen from entering the country. Now, almost immediately after 3:42:18.560 --> 3:42:22.720 the Muslim Ban is announced, um there is a spontaneous 3:42:22.800 --> 3:42:26.360 wave of airport occupations that sweeps the country. And these 3:42:26.360 --> 3:42:30.560 protests have two goals. Their immediate goal is to free 3:42:30.600 --> 3:42:33.119 the people who have been taking captive by immigration authorities 3:42:33.120 --> 3:42:35.959 before they can be deported, and the second goal is 3:42:35.959 --> 3:42:38.640 to end the Muslim band more broadly. This was this 3:42:38.640 --> 3:42:40.920 was actually my this was my first Irrell direct action. 3:42:42.000 --> 3:42:44.039 I you know, I remember I was in this train 3:42:44.080 --> 3:42:46.480 car on the Blue Line to O'Hare, which is our 3:42:47.200 --> 3:42:50.880 airport in Chicago. And you know, I'm on this train 3:42:50.959 --> 3:42:56.240 and it's packed and everyone is completely silent, and you know, 3:42:56.320 --> 3:42:58.520 everyone thinks people are going to get off, but as 3:42:58.760 --> 3:43:01.320 we get to this airport, lies that the entire train 3:43:01.400 --> 3:43:04.119 is completely full of protesters. Like everyone on there's a protester. 3:43:04.440 --> 3:43:07.280 And it goes on and on and on, and we 3:43:07.360 --> 3:43:09.160 get off the train, right and we're walking through the airport. 3:43:09.160 --> 3:43:11.440 And the way this airport is structured is there's like 3:43:11.440 --> 3:43:13.800 this overpass that you walk over where you can see 3:43:13.840 --> 3:43:17.320 the trains coming in and every single train is full 3:43:17.320 --> 3:43:19.520 of protesters. And the trains keep coming and they keep 3:43:19.520 --> 3:43:22.600 coming and they keep coming, and you know, every everyone 3:43:22.720 --> 3:43:25.000 and every time a train shows up, everyone starts cheering 3:43:25.000 --> 3:43:26.760 and it is like it is, you know, one of 3:43:26.760 --> 3:43:28.640 the most amazing things I've ever been a part of. 3:43:30.000 --> 3:43:33.000 And you know, and we we start moving and there 3:43:33.000 --> 3:43:34.800 are just you know, this is a fucking this is 3:43:34.840 --> 3:43:36.520 an airport, right, Like, this is one of the most 3:43:36.520 --> 3:43:39.320 heavily policed places in the world. There are not enough 3:43:39.320 --> 3:43:42.680 cops to stop us. And you know, they make this 3:43:42.720 --> 3:43:44.600 one token attempt to try to clear us, and they 3:43:44.640 --> 3:43:46.720 can't do it, and they pull back and now we 3:43:46.800 --> 3:43:50.920 are holding the airport, and we do it. We reat them, 3:43:50.959 --> 3:43:54.000 We win. The airport releases the detainees they've been they've 3:43:54.000 --> 3:43:56.080 been negotiating with the a CLU, the ASU have been 3:43:56.080 --> 3:43:58.480 trying to get me released. And the person from the 3:43:58.480 --> 3:44:01.840 person from the ASLU, like God, comes on the mic 3:44:01.920 --> 3:44:04.720 and announced that they've they've released everyone and everyone chairs, 3:44:05.400 --> 3:44:08.959 and then and then the person on the ALU personal 3:44:09.040 --> 3:44:11.440 and the mic says they're going to beat the Muslim 3:44:11.440 --> 3:44:15.800 band in court, and everyone goes home. It takes a 3:44:15.840 --> 3:44:18.080 few hours, but by the end of it, everyone goes home. 3:44:18.720 --> 3:44:23.039 And here's the thing. The ACLU several years later lost 3:44:23.080 --> 3:44:26.040 that case at the Dream Court. The Muslim band continued 3:44:26.080 --> 3:44:28.960 the entire fucking Trump administration. Right, it wasn't repealed until 3:44:29.000 --> 3:44:33.120 Biden took office. We could have stopped it there, right, 3:44:33.760 --> 3:44:38.879 we held that fucking airport. Airports across the country and 3:44:38.920 --> 3:44:42.640 fucking like dozens and dozens of states were being held 3:44:42.640 --> 3:44:46.240 by protesters, and we could have stopped them. But we didn't, 3:44:46.360 --> 3:44:48.440 and we didn't because we trusted the courts. Right we 3:44:48.480 --> 3:44:53.320 went home, we trusted the SLU, and they lost because again, 3:44:53.360 --> 3:44:55.080 the law is not about the law. The law is 3:44:55.080 --> 3:44:59.000 about power, and millions of people suffered the consequences of that. 3:44:59.400 --> 3:45:01.440 And this is what's going to happen if we if 3:45:01.440 --> 3:45:04.920 we leave this fight to the courts, either either we 3:45:05.040 --> 3:45:08.360 actually sort of like stand up and actually fight not 3:45:08.440 --> 3:45:10.640 in the courtroom, but in the streets, in schools, in 3:45:10.640 --> 3:45:13.160 salons and shop floors, in the places where we have 3:45:13.240 --> 3:45:15.840 power or we are going to die. That is my 3:45:15.920 --> 3:45:18.560 intro to this, which is that we cannot we literally like, 3:45:18.600 --> 3:45:21.119 if we try to leave this to the people who 3:45:21.120 --> 3:45:23.640 have been acting right now, right, if if we leave 3:45:23.640 --> 3:45:26.200 this electorialists, if we leave this to sort of legal institutions, 3:45:26.200 --> 3:45:28.960 and if we purely fight self defense battles, we are 3:45:28.959 --> 3:45:33.560 going to lose. Yeah. So the question from there is 3:45:33.640 --> 3:45:37.080 how do we hit them back? And the thing that 3:45:37.120 --> 3:45:39.879 I specifically wanted to talk about first is I wanted 3:45:39.879 --> 3:45:44.160 to talk about this thing called power mapping. Now, Okay, 3:45:44.720 --> 3:45:46.680 the moment, the moment you say that we're in map 3:45:47.080 --> 3:45:49.720 around leftists, people immediately start talking about how the map 3:45:49.800 --> 3:45:53.560 is not the terrain. And that's true, true, the map 3:45:53.640 --> 3:45:59.120 is not the terrain. They're different things, don't both are useful? Yeah, yeah, 3:45:59.280 --> 3:46:03.160 you still a map when your hiking, even though it's not. Actually, 3:46:03.160 --> 3:46:09.480 that's spash the maps. Spash the maps. Situation is practice 3:46:09.720 --> 3:46:11.640 walk around the city without a map, but mess up 3:46:11.640 --> 3:46:13.879 the maps. It sabotage the mass. Yeah, don't walk through 3:46:13.920 --> 3:46:18.840 the forest about a fucking map. Forest is dispassionate and 3:46:19.000 --> 3:46:25.040 cruel and will kill you. So all right, So what 3:46:25.480 --> 3:46:28.200 is power mapping? So there there is a normal version. 3:46:28.400 --> 3:46:30.520 There is a version of this that gets you know, 3:46:30.560 --> 3:46:32.199 it's it's part of sort of like what I guess 3:46:32.200 --> 3:46:34.600 you would call like the liberal version of organizer training 3:46:34.640 --> 3:46:38.760 one on one, which is this like pure NGEO thing, 3:46:38.959 --> 3:46:40.720 which is you know, I guess you could you could 3:46:40.800 --> 3:46:43.560 argue it's from like a lins like like from Salo 3:46:43.640 --> 3:46:47.400 Lynsky or whatever the fuck. Um And and this this 3:46:47.520 --> 3:46:50.120 version about it is this version is about finding and 3:46:50.120 --> 3:46:54.119 pressuring quote unquote stakeholders. This is almost completely useless to us. 3:46:54.520 --> 3:46:57.440 It's largely politically bankrupt and tactically it is simply not 3:46:57.480 --> 3:47:00.520 going to work. Right, Like, there is some value in 3:47:00.920 --> 3:47:04.560 mapping out which specific like legislators and which specific governors 3:47:04.600 --> 3:47:08.480 are going to like sign bills, right Yeah, but like okay, 3:47:09.080 --> 3:47:11.039 NGO style pressure campaigns are not going to stop this 3:47:11.560 --> 3:47:14.160 is this is simply not going to work. Um. And 3:47:14.240 --> 3:47:16.600 the strategies that people have been employing to sort of 3:47:16.640 --> 3:47:19.080 stop this, right which is you know, relying on our 3:47:19.120 --> 3:47:22.920 suffering and our pain and relying on medical expertise that 3:47:22.920 --> 3:47:26.080 that doesn't that doesn't work. It's weigh them a lack 3:47:26.160 --> 3:47:29.160 of diversity of tactics. Yeah, the only language people understand 3:47:29.200 --> 3:47:34.160 is power. So Okay, having said all this, we can 3:47:34.200 --> 3:47:38.600 strategically use other groups like NGOs or sympathetic lawmakers to 3:47:38.760 --> 3:47:40.840 do their own pressure campaigns. But that that that is 3:47:40.879 --> 3:47:43.120 not what I'm talking about here. We can leave. We 3:47:43.120 --> 3:47:45.240 can leave those people in their terrain they're paid to 3:47:45.280 --> 3:47:49.680 do it. Don't get sucked up into it. But you know, 3:47:49.720 --> 3:47:52.520 and I will say, like, okay, sometimes very strategically right, 3:47:52.640 --> 3:47:56.520 like you can you can show up to people's events 3:47:56.520 --> 3:47:58.560 and embarrass them because you know who they are and 3:47:58.600 --> 3:48:01.440 what they're doing, and that that that can be useful sometimes, 3:48:02.480 --> 3:48:04.879 like I I you know, I sci shame can be 3:48:05.040 --> 3:48:08.080 can be a useful tactics sometimes, yeah, like I know, 3:48:08.080 --> 3:48:10.320 I know people who've done union campaigns were like things 3:48:10.320 --> 3:48:12.920 have turned around when they like showed up to like 3:48:12.920 --> 3:48:14.760 some NGEO person's fund raiser and they're like, hey, you 3:48:14.800 --> 3:48:16.600 guys aren't paying us, and they're like everyone was like, 3:48:16.600 --> 3:48:20.959 oh my god, but you know what what what what? 3:48:20.959 --> 3:48:23.360 What are we? What are we actually doing here? And 3:48:24.480 --> 3:48:26.879 what what? What? What? What? What I'm specifically talking about 3:48:26.959 --> 3:48:29.760 is powermapping in the context of direct action and in 3:48:29.800 --> 3:48:34.000 the context a sort of offensive direct action and when 3:48:34.080 --> 3:48:36.320 when you're thinking about power mapping. Here there's two kinds 3:48:36.320 --> 3:48:39.560 of mappings that are useful. One is physical mapping, and 3:48:39.640 --> 3:48:42.160 this is something that people don't do enough. I don't 3:48:42.160 --> 3:48:44.440 know why they don't do this more. But first of 3:48:44.680 --> 3:48:46.000 one of one of the things that made the Hong 3:48:46.080 --> 3:48:50.440 Kong protest work is that Hong Kong had really really 3:48:50.680 --> 3:48:53.960 detailed maps, right they were you know, they they had 3:48:53.959 --> 3:48:57.040 apps for this that were very very detailed maps of 3:48:57.200 --> 3:49:00.280 Hong Kong city streets. They would map where the police swear, 3:49:00.320 --> 3:49:02.520 they would map where the police were moving to, they 3:49:02.520 --> 3:49:07.840 would map where protesters were and you know, obviously there 3:49:07.840 --> 3:49:10.440 are sort of security and tactical considerations to this, but 3:49:10.920 --> 3:49:13.520 if we know the terrain better than the police do, 3:49:13.960 --> 3:49:16.520 we can do a lot of things. This is this 3:49:16.600 --> 3:49:20.040 is something that people are successfully employing in the city 3:49:20.080 --> 3:49:22.920 of Atlanta, yep, yep. And anyway, I mean this, this, this, 3:49:23.040 --> 3:49:24.560 this is the thing where we have we actually do 3:49:24.600 --> 3:49:27.840 have an a legitimate advantage in in large cities, which 3:49:27.880 --> 3:49:31.000 is that like the cops who are in large cities 3:49:31.040 --> 3:49:35.520 are not from like those those cities, right you know, 3:49:35.560 --> 3:49:38.480 And and I think I think we squander this advantage 3:49:38.480 --> 3:49:40.680 a lot By just like like in fucking Chicago, there's 3:49:40.680 --> 3:49:44.480 this one plaza right like pretty close to Trump Tower 3:49:44.520 --> 3:49:48.640 where every single protest starts. And that's like it's in 3:49:48.680 --> 3:49:50.720 the middle of fucking downtown, So I guess people sort 3:49:50.760 --> 3:49:53.480 of know the way around there, but like I fuck nobody, 3:49:53.520 --> 3:49:56.080 like nobody lives there who doesn't make like fucking seven 3:49:56.200 --> 3:49:59.120 hundred thousand dollars a year, right, Like you're you're you're 3:49:59.200 --> 3:50:02.040 kind of squandering whatever tactical advantage you haven't. Also, you know, 3:50:02.040 --> 3:50:04.920 and and and another sort of another reason to do 3:50:05.000 --> 3:50:09.080 mapping and stuff is so you know, you can you 3:50:09.120 --> 3:50:11.120 can plan things out ahead of time, Right, you can 3:50:11.160 --> 3:50:13.480 plan out where your lines of retreat are. You can 3:50:13.520 --> 3:50:15.920 figure out where choke points are so you don't get kettled, 3:50:15.920 --> 3:50:18.360 a thing that like I swear to God, no one 3:50:18.560 --> 3:50:22.080 who arranges the protest in the US fucking ever does. 3:50:22.840 --> 3:50:24.480 Like I mean, I know some people do it, but 3:50:24.520 --> 3:50:28.360 like Jesus Christ, you can you can figure out on 3:50:28.440 --> 3:50:30.880 a map where you're gonna get kettled, Like you can 3:50:30.920 --> 3:50:35.000 do this, yeah, and you know, and you can do 3:50:35.080 --> 3:50:37.240 other things too with maps, right, you can you can 3:50:37.240 --> 3:50:40.480 figure out where the locations are of infrastructure that is 3:50:40.520 --> 3:50:44.000 particularly vulnerable, you can figure out what roads will will 3:50:44.000 --> 3:50:46.160 cause the maximum a matter of sort of economic damage 3:50:46.160 --> 3:50:48.160 if you shut them down, you can figure you know, 3:50:48.160 --> 3:50:50.000 you can figure out things like can you learn the 3:50:50.040 --> 3:50:53.080 police into places where they can't use their numbers very well? Right? 3:50:53.280 --> 3:50:55.360 Can you spread them out over one hundred different areas 3:50:55.400 --> 3:50:58.000 and neutralize their effectiveness? And this is a kind of 3:50:58.040 --> 3:50:59.720 These are the kind of terms that we need to 3:50:59.720 --> 3:51:01.760 be thinking thinking about in terms and when when when 3:51:01.760 --> 3:51:04.400 we're physically mapping and physically trying to understand an area, 3:51:05.280 --> 3:51:07.360 which is that we need to be thinking in very direct, 3:51:07.440 --> 3:51:09.360 tactical terms. We need to figure out what kind of 3:51:09.360 --> 3:51:12.520 places you know? And this also this also works defensively, right, 3:51:12.760 --> 3:51:14.720 we need to be figuring out you know, okay, so 3:51:14.760 --> 3:51:17.920 we have a drag show that's under attack, right, we 3:51:17.920 --> 3:51:20.080 need we need to figure out what kinds of places 3:51:20.080 --> 3:51:21.880 if people are attacking, we need to figure out how 3:51:21.920 --> 3:51:24.240 we can defend them. And we need to be thinking 3:51:24.320 --> 3:51:26.840 again not not just like showing up to a place 3:51:26.880 --> 3:51:29.160 and being like, okay, we're hearing these people across the street, right, 3:51:29.400 --> 3:51:33.400 like before that happens, and be like before a protest, 3:51:33.400 --> 3:51:36.480 stars before an actually starts. There needs to be like 3:51:36.640 --> 3:51:39.520 work put in to make sure that what we're that 3:51:39.840 --> 3:51:42.320 the actions that we're doing are effective, are as effective 3:51:42.320 --> 3:51:48.000 as possible, so that that's that. Yeah, that that that 3:51:48.080 --> 3:51:49.920 that that that's that's one part of this kind of 3:51:49.960 --> 3:51:51.680 mapping stuff. You know, if if if you if you 3:51:51.680 --> 3:51:53.640 want more sort of inspiration for this stuff. There's a 3:51:53.640 --> 3:51:56.720 bunch of uh, oh my god, I'm not forgetting the 3:51:56.800 --> 3:51:58.440 name of every book I puble should have actually written 3:51:58.440 --> 3:51:59.840 the books in here, but they're they're that you can 3:52:00.040 --> 3:52:01.760 some of the some of the Italian Autonomous will talk 3:52:01.800 --> 3:52:04.000 about this stuff and they have all of these like 3:52:04.120 --> 3:52:06.560 really wild sort of tactical stuff about like things you 3:52:06.560 --> 3:52:08.760 could do in a city, like you can mess up 3:52:08.800 --> 3:52:12.720 stop lights, you can like I don't know, like they 3:52:12.240 --> 3:52:14.080 they they did a lot of stuff and like moving 3:52:14.120 --> 3:52:16.640 signs around there. There's a lot of very weird things 3:52:17.320 --> 3:52:18.840 in a city that you can do that we don't 3:52:18.840 --> 3:52:21.800 think about because we've limited our tactical arsenal to like 3:52:21.960 --> 3:52:27.280 people show up at a place and yell yes, stand 3:52:27.440 --> 3:52:30.400 stand outside of a building and yell at a building. 3:52:31.040 --> 3:52:33.560 End of protests. Yeah, and that that doesn't work, Like 3:52:33.760 --> 3:52:35.320 we need to have tactics that are sort of like 3:52:35.400 --> 3:52:38.240 that are beyond that. I guess, I guess part of 3:52:38.280 --> 3:52:41.520 the reason that I'm I'm starting here is that I 3:52:41.600 --> 3:52:45.000 want people to like literally go back very much to 3:52:45.160 --> 3:52:49.480 square one of thinking about what our response needs to 3:52:49.520 --> 3:52:52.920 be before we start moving, because you know, like, and 3:52:53.080 --> 3:52:55.040 I'm not this this this is not a sort of 3:52:55.040 --> 3:52:56.800 criticism of the people who've been doing dract de fats, 3:52:56.800 --> 3:52:59.720 like they've been doing a great job, right, but our 3:53:00.000 --> 3:53:04.360 standard protest arsenal is not enough. It has not been working, 3:53:04.400 --> 3:53:08.280 and we need to reevaluate what we're doing. It needs 3:53:08.280 --> 3:53:10.320 to expand, and we need to see a better understanding 3:53:10.320 --> 3:53:12.800 of what diversity of tactics means. I also think that 3:53:12.880 --> 3:53:17.840 on this particular issue, until fairly recently, our primary threat 3:53:17.960 --> 3:53:23.720 vector was non state actors threatening physical violence, and so 3:53:23.760 --> 3:53:27.160 the community defense model is actually a very effective response 3:53:27.200 --> 3:53:30.760 to that threat and has been incredibly effective on numerous times. 3:53:31.200 --> 3:53:34.360 Now that we are looking at the threat coming from 3:53:34.400 --> 3:53:38.480 the state in terms of legislative legislative action and all 3:53:38.520 --> 3:53:44.000 that stuff, it does open up a lot more tactical possibility, 3:53:44.040 --> 3:53:47.840 like what you're talking about, and that's cool, and people 3:53:47.840 --> 3:53:51.280 should realize that. Yeah, No, I think you're right. We 3:53:51.280 --> 3:53:54.120 should go back and look from the ground up and 3:53:54.160 --> 3:54:00.000 like come to new conclusions, new ideas, And I think 3:54:00.120 --> 3:54:02.560 I think the the the the other thing of going 3:54:02.600 --> 3:54:05.240 back to sort of like basics, right, is going going 3:54:05.280 --> 3:54:08.200 back to the kinds of going going going back to 3:54:09.800 --> 3:54:12.720 changing how we think about the world around us so 3:54:12.800 --> 3:54:15.760 that we can actually so that we can more effectively 3:54:16.200 --> 3:54:18.040 take action. And the other kind of thing that we 3:54:18.080 --> 3:54:21.040 need to do is social mapping. It's figuring out the 3:54:21.080 --> 3:54:24.160 resources that we have, the resources that they have, where 3:54:24.200 --> 3:54:27.280 they are, how they function. And this is something that Margaret, 3:54:27.320 --> 3:54:30.400 you've you've talked about in your in your threat about this, 3:54:30.400 --> 3:54:33.040 which is very good. Yeah, but one of the things 3:54:33.040 --> 3:54:35.040 that we need to figure out very quickly is what 3:54:35.240 --> 3:54:37.720 skills do we have and what resources do we have? 3:54:40.160 --> 3:54:43.240 And you know this this expands into a lot of 3:54:43.360 --> 3:54:49.160 into a lot of different sort of fields, right um. 3:54:49.240 --> 3:54:53.240 You know, there's some of this is sort of territorial, right, 3:54:53.440 --> 3:54:56.600 Like it's about thinking about like what kinds like what's 3:54:56.680 --> 3:54:59.840 physically what spaces are safe for us and which ones aren't. 3:55:00.120 --> 3:55:02.560 How can we sort of leverage the spaces that we 3:55:02.600 --> 3:55:06.120 have that are safe and you know, maneuver in the 3:55:06.120 --> 3:55:09.040 ones that are how is this changing? There's also something 3:55:09.040 --> 3:55:12.680 that I I want to sort of think about here, 3:55:12.720 --> 3:55:14.680 which is this old this is old tradition. Do you do? 3:55:14.680 --> 3:55:18.960 You do? You know what workers inquiry is? I don't know? Okay, 3:55:18.960 --> 3:55:21.640 So this is this is a very old Marxist tradition. 3:55:21.880 --> 3:55:24.400 Um it means a lot of different things to a 3:55:24.440 --> 3:55:28.680 lot of different people, Like Marx was attempting. So the 3:55:28.720 --> 3:55:30.560 origin of this is Marx was trying to like send 3:55:30.560 --> 3:55:33.040 out surveys to like workers to figure out what their 3:55:33.040 --> 3:55:36.840 conditions were, and people over time took this into more 3:55:36.880 --> 3:55:40.320 interesting directions of you know, but it turns into a 3:55:40.400 --> 3:55:43.800 kind of like like a worker's ethnography of you know, 3:55:43.880 --> 3:55:47.880 workers sitting down and writing or doing interviews about just 3:55:48.000 --> 3:55:50.960 literally like what what their work day is, like, what 3:55:51.000 --> 3:55:53.400 the sort of like labor processes they're involved in are, 3:55:53.560 --> 3:55:56.360 How does how does that work? Like? Who? Like, how 3:55:56.400 --> 3:55:58.720 do their bosses work? How how are they being managed? 3:55:58.720 --> 3:56:01.560 How are they resisting them? And you know, and you 3:56:01.560 --> 3:56:03.600 you there there there are other things you can sort 3:56:03.640 --> 3:56:06.240 of use this for that are very useful to us, 3:56:06.280 --> 3:56:09.280 which is, for example, figuring out things like what does 3:56:09.320 --> 3:56:13.520 the what does your local economy depend on? What are 3:56:13.520 --> 3:56:17.600 the sort of important logistics lines in that local economy? 3:56:17.640 --> 3:56:20.560 You know, who is physically doing the labor that the 3:56:20.600 --> 3:56:22.880 economy depends on, who is doing the care labor, because 3:56:22.880 --> 3:56:26.440 that's another side of this that gets sort of brushed 3:56:26.480 --> 3:56:29.640 over a lot. But for example, this this, this is 3:56:29.680 --> 3:56:32.040 a large part of why teachers are enormously powerful because 3:56:32.080 --> 3:56:35.080 teachers are doing a shit ton of care labor that 3:56:35.200 --> 3:56:38.080 is is necessary for the necessary for the entire economy 3:56:38.120 --> 3:56:41.320 to function, but isn't really seen that way, right, And 3:56:41.400 --> 3:56:43.560 you know, and and you you you you can ask 3:56:43.560 --> 3:56:49.200 other questions like you know what what what? Like literally, 3:56:49.240 --> 3:56:51.840 what are the physical conditions under which you and the 3:56:51.840 --> 3:56:54.440 people around you are working? A lot of the stuff's 3:56:54.440 --> 3:56:58.280 come to you like person who works a job. Right, Um, 3:56:58.400 --> 3:57:01.240 there there is an advantage that we have as people 3:57:01.280 --> 3:57:04.000 who do this stuff, which is that we we will 3:57:04.080 --> 3:57:07.200 understand the terrain of our own workplace is better than 3:57:07.200 --> 3:57:08.640 the people who are sitting at the at the top 3:57:08.640 --> 3:57:10.600 of the power structure because we're on the bottom of it, 3:57:10.720 --> 3:57:13.320 right the people who are above us. And and this 3:57:13.360 --> 3:57:15.040 this is another thing that that's important about this kind 3:57:15.080 --> 3:57:18.400 of transphobia is that it's it's very much an elite thing. 3:57:19.360 --> 3:57:21.600 This is I think especially noticeable in the UK, where 3:57:21.600 --> 3:57:24.000 like you can literally track who is going to be 3:57:24.040 --> 3:57:26.000 a turf by like what kind of like elite schools 3:57:26.000 --> 3:57:29.480 they're going to. Okay, but but like literally like if 3:57:29.560 --> 3:57:30.680 someone goes to eat like you know, it's like who 3:57:30.720 --> 3:57:32.320 goes to eaton? Right, Like this is this is the thing. 3:57:32.480 --> 3:57:34.480 It tracks who the ruling class isn't who and who 3:57:34.520 --> 3:57:36.040 is a turf and who's not going to be a turf? 3:57:36.160 --> 3:57:38.320 Right and but this is this is also true in 3:57:38.320 --> 3:57:40.680 the US, where like I mean again, if you look 3:57:40.720 --> 3:57:42.640 at them media people who are pushing this, it's a 3:57:42.640 --> 3:57:45.040 bunch of people sitting on like an unbelievable amount of 3:57:45.040 --> 3:57:46.520 trust fund money and getting a bunch of sort of 3:57:46.600 --> 3:57:50.440 right wing billionaire money. Yes, my experience has been that 3:57:50.640 --> 3:57:55.720 since Trump's selection, the random folks around me have become 3:57:55.960 --> 3:57:59.880 substantially less favorable towards me. Um And I think anti 3:58:00.120 --> 3:58:04.440 and stuff is is popular across class. But I don't know, 3:58:04.440 --> 3:58:06.680 I think that's I think that's true, but I don't 3:58:06.680 --> 3:58:09.800 think it matters that much because like like the the 3:58:09.960 --> 3:58:13.520 the ordinary person in your neighborhood who has become transphobic, 3:58:13.560 --> 3:58:15.360 isn't the person who has the capacity to get these 3:58:15.440 --> 3:58:18.360 laws passed? Okay, that's fair. And and the things that 3:58:18.400 --> 3:58:21.480 they know are not the things that the actual people 3:58:21.560 --> 3:58:25.520 running these campaigns know. Yeah, okay. And and that that 3:58:25.640 --> 3:58:27.640 that that I think is what is sort of important 3:58:27.680 --> 3:58:32.640 about this, is that like legislatures, right, or like you know, 3:58:32.680 --> 3:58:36.680 the people who are funding who are funding these campaigns, 3:58:36.720 --> 3:58:39.400 the people who donate to these who donate literally literally 3:58:39.480 --> 3:58:43.360 donate to sort of political campaigns. Right. These people do 3:58:43.440 --> 3:58:46.760 not understand what our jobs are. They don't understand what 3:58:46.760 --> 3:58:49.960 we do, They don't understand how the economy works very well. 3:58:49.960 --> 3:58:54.080 What the version of reality that they can see is 3:58:54.080 --> 3:58:56.200 is a sort of bureaucratic image of it produced by 3:58:56.200 --> 3:59:00.440 their subordinates. And you know that there's a realm with that, 3:59:00.480 --> 3:59:04.160 which is that a lot of the time, right, the 3:59:04.400 --> 3:59:06.440 more powerful person is, the more likely it is that 3:59:06.480 --> 3:59:08.200 the version of reality that they're getting is the version 3:59:08.200 --> 3:59:10.680 of reality that is just being told to them by 3:59:10.240 --> 3:59:15.120 the people by the people below them. And you know, 3:59:15.160 --> 3:59:18.800 and this this means, like the more powerful the people 3:59:18.800 --> 3:59:21.200 we're dealing with, the less capacity they actually have to understand. 3:59:21.280 --> 3:59:24.120 Is this is true even with for organizations to have 3:59:24.160 --> 3:59:27.320 like an enormous amount of raw intelligence that you know, 3:59:27.360 --> 3:59:29.880 they're sort of spy and surveillance networks have assembled, right 3:59:30.080 --> 3:59:32.080 they're you know, they have all this information, but they 3:59:32.080 --> 3:59:36.200 don't understand and they're sort of buried in trying to 3:59:36.440 --> 3:59:39.200 like trying and often failing to sort through all of 3:59:39.200 --> 3:59:41.680 the information that they have. Yeah, and they try and 3:59:41.720 --> 3:59:43.400 map it to their world view. It's how you always 3:59:43.480 --> 3:59:45.680 end up with like we found the like I have 3:59:45.680 --> 3:59:49.440 a friend who is investigated as the leader of international anarchism, 3:59:49.880 --> 3:59:52.960 and it took them a really really long time before 3:59:52.960 --> 3:59:56.920 they were like, I don't think that's a thing. Yeah, 3:59:56.960 --> 3:59:59.120 well it's like they don't they don't understand how our 3:59:59.160 --> 4:00:01.920 networks work very well, because yeah, they have stuff like that. 4:00:02.560 --> 4:00:05.680 But but this is also true, especially like on the 4:00:05.800 --> 4:00:10.120 level of the workplace, right, Um, there is a bunch 4:00:10.120 --> 4:00:13.880 of stuff that we know that cannot be replicated by 4:00:13.880 --> 4:00:15.640 the people on the top of the org chart. And 4:00:15.680 --> 4:00:18.360 a lot of that stuff has to do with we 4:00:18.440 --> 4:00:21.360 know how to make things stop working in ways that 4:00:21.400 --> 4:00:25.040 they don't, okay, and and that that is that that 4:00:25.040 --> 4:00:29.120 that is very sort of useful information to have, because 4:00:29.160 --> 4:00:31.160 if you know how something works, you can make it 4:00:31.200 --> 4:00:34.800 stop working. And this is this is the sort of uh, 4:00:35.040 --> 4:00:37.720 you know, this is a lot of what the Marxist 4:00:37.800 --> 4:00:40.320 tradition sort of was, right, It was an attempt to understand, 4:00:40.360 --> 4:00:43.320 like what workers are doing. The distinction I would make 4:00:43.360 --> 4:00:45.360 is they were trying to figure out what workers are 4:00:45.360 --> 4:00:47.440 doing because they were trying to figure out how capitalism works. 4:00:48.200 --> 4:00:51.400 And I don't care about that enormously like that. That's 4:00:51.440 --> 4:00:55.200 that's that's not a thing that actually sort of like 4:00:56.760 --> 4:00:58.280 I don't know whatever I do, I don't I don't 4:00:58.280 --> 4:01:01.520 care about whatever esoteric value debates they were having. The 4:01:01.600 --> 4:01:03.880 decision I would make here is that, you know, the 4:01:03.920 --> 4:01:05.840 Marxist version of this has a tendency to collapse and 4:01:05.880 --> 4:01:09.080 dollar production into just like incredibly bitter and minute debates 4:01:09.080 --> 4:01:11.640 about Marxism. We are not trying to do that. The 4:01:11.720 --> 4:01:13.800 thing we're trying to do with our version of this 4:01:13.960 --> 4:01:17.200 is stop agendicide. Right. Our Our version of inquiry means 4:01:17.200 --> 4:01:19.560 attack and and when when when When I say when, 4:01:19.600 --> 4:01:22.320 when I'm talking about this kind of stuff, right, I'm 4:01:22.360 --> 4:01:27.400 talking about like you and finding the other people in 4:01:27.440 --> 4:01:30.560 your workplace who are supportive of this stuff. And you know, 4:01:30.640 --> 4:01:33.160 I mean literally just on like a very very basic level. 4:01:33.160 --> 4:01:35.040 And this is something that you get union organizing right. 4:01:35.040 --> 4:01:36.800 It's like just figuring out what the fuck they do, 4:01:37.360 --> 4:01:40.680 because like management doesn't know what you do, right, Like 4:01:40.720 --> 4:01:43.880 I I I have I have worked in a lot 4:01:44.000 --> 4:01:47.000 of of of places. I have talked to managers a lot. 4:01:47.040 --> 4:01:49.760 They have no fucking idea what what anyone is actually doing. 4:01:50.320 --> 4:01:52.600 And if if you if you can build up and 4:01:52.680 --> 4:01:54.360 this is this is you know, this is all going, 4:01:54.960 --> 4:01:58.280 this is all kind of abstract. But if if you 4:01:58.320 --> 4:02:02.120 can figure out how your workplace works, and you can 4:02:02.160 --> 4:02:06.160 figure out how the workplaces of the people around you work, 4:02:06.360 --> 4:02:10.160 and how how the workplaces that like actually genuinely matter 4:02:10.520 --> 4:02:13.160 to the people who are doing this stuff, you suddenly have. 4:02:13.560 --> 4:02:16.800 You suddenly have leverage that you normal that you know, 4:02:17.120 --> 4:02:22.600 a sort of like traditional like protest thing doesn't. And 4:02:22.880 --> 4:02:27.080 this means, for better or for worse, trying to get 4:02:27.200 --> 4:02:31.720 unions involved. Um, there are upsides and downsides here. The 4:02:31.720 --> 4:02:33.360 downside is that there just aren't there many unions and 4:02:33.400 --> 4:02:36.440 there aren't there many people in unions as I just 4:02:36.480 --> 4:02:42.200 have like a middling faith in them. Yeah, or working 4:02:42.280 --> 4:02:43.960 on it. I mean, yeah, I mean some of them, 4:02:43.960 --> 4:02:46.640 I'm sure good, and I want to challenge all of 4:02:46.680 --> 4:02:49.760 them too, and if they do, I will eat my shoe. 4:02:49.880 --> 4:02:53.960 Whatever they saying is um some yeah, I mean it's 4:02:54.000 --> 4:02:57.080 like they're not going to do unless they're forced you, right, well, 4:02:57.800 --> 4:03:01.520 depending on the I think some unions do. Now I'm 4:03:01.520 --> 4:03:03.640 like suddenly one eighteen, I mean, like talk shit on 4:03:03.720 --> 4:03:06.720 unions like that. Whatever anyway continues, So okay. So the 4:03:06.840 --> 4:03:10.200 thing part of the other reason that that I'm focusing 4:03:10.200 --> 4:03:13.040 specifically on unions and I'm specifically I'm focusing a lot 4:03:13.120 --> 4:03:17.000 and workplace organizing stuff is that, Okay, one of the 4:03:17.040 --> 4:03:19.600 inherent problems of trans organizing is that trans people are 4:03:19.680 --> 4:03:22.040 not a large enough minority to enter the most sort 4:03:22.040 --> 4:03:25.880 of like cynical, like numerically determinist accounts of who matters 4:03:25.960 --> 4:03:31.960 enough to support right like not not yet not right. 4:03:32.000 --> 4:03:34.120 But as as of right now, we're like maybe two 4:03:34.120 --> 4:03:37.880 percent of the population. Now change it is, it is grown. 4:03:38.280 --> 4:03:41.440 If the zuber numbers continue, we're gonna be We're gonna 4:03:41.480 --> 4:03:44.600 be quite quite the problem. I remember marching with my 4:03:44.600 --> 4:03:47.880 my first boyfriend and this this bashback March where we're 4:03:47.960 --> 4:03:51.360 chanting one in ten is not enough. Yeah, and it's 4:03:51.360 --> 4:03:54.240 just funny because it's like it works. There's more of 4:03:54.320 --> 4:03:57.160 us now, yeah. Yeah, And this is trands are really 4:03:57.160 --> 4:04:00.240 good at recruiting the LGBT, because literally, you can not 4:04:00.320 --> 4:04:03.600 think I'm cute and be heterosexual. There's no way of 4:04:03.680 --> 4:04:07.760 making that happen. True. No, this is like legit legitimately. 4:04:07.760 --> 4:04:09.280 One of the reasons that I figured out that I 4:04:09.400 --> 4:04:12.200 wasn't like a sistet straight dude was I was dating 4:04:12.240 --> 4:04:15.000 an un binary person, and I was like, shit, okay, 4:04:14.680 --> 4:04:22.840 something like it's, um, there are places where trans people 4:04:22.920 --> 4:04:26.640 are like enormously overrepresented, right and and and there are 4:04:26.640 --> 4:04:29.440 places where we exist in numbers enough that we actually 4:04:29.520 --> 4:04:33.240 statistically matter. And unions are one of those places because 4:04:33.520 --> 4:04:37.480 the people to people who are organizing unions, like trans 4:04:37.520 --> 4:04:41.640 people are so unbelievably fucking overrepresented in all of that stuff. 4:04:41.760 --> 4:04:44.960 And this is this is as much true of I mean, okay, 4:04:44.960 --> 4:04:49.360 so this this is true really, especially of any kind 4:04:49.360 --> 4:04:51.720 of sort of new unionism, like particularly things like grad 4:04:51.720 --> 4:04:54.280 student unions, right, but it's also true of like like 4:04:54.320 --> 4:04:56.400 all all of the fucking service sector unions that are 4:04:56.400 --> 4:04:58.720 getting organized and this has been true for like twenty years. 4:04:59.040 --> 4:05:01.080 All of the people ORGANI using that, whether they realize 4:05:01.080 --> 4:05:05.120 it or not, are trans. And you know, but this 4:05:05.120 --> 4:05:07.920 this means we actually have leverage there, right, because this 4:05:08.280 --> 4:05:10.800 is this is a part of the economy where if 4:05:10.880 --> 4:05:14.400 we stop doing our job, shit will actually fall apart, right, 4:05:14.680 --> 4:05:17.600 like you know, act actual sort of large scale union 4:05:17.600 --> 4:05:22.200 campaigns like cannot work without us. And that means that 4:05:22.240 --> 4:05:25.360 we actually we have the ability to pressure them into 4:05:25.400 --> 4:05:28.480 doing shit in a way that's not necessarily true. Another, 4:05:28.480 --> 4:05:32.280 and I'm talking here like specifically about like you the 4:05:32.360 --> 4:05:37.560 listener who is trans, which is like statistically, statistically like 4:05:37.680 --> 4:05:41.679 you the listener is not trans. If you are, congratulations, um, 4:05:41.760 --> 4:05:45.360 if you're not, I also suspect that they are slightly overrepresented. 4:05:45.880 --> 4:05:50.640 That definitely still probably not a majority, yes, I guess 4:05:50.640 --> 4:05:52.880 I like I also want to say that like, um, 4:05:52.920 --> 4:05:55.040 I mean, it's funny because the way to define sis 4:05:55.080 --> 4:05:58.320 allyship is literally as if you're willing to car yourself siss, 4:05:59.160 --> 4:06:01.640 you know, because it's not actually a slur, it's just 4:06:01.680 --> 4:06:05.600 a description. It's just a you know, like that the 4:06:05.720 --> 4:06:08.560 not trans word, right, and it's not bad at all. Yeah, 4:06:09.640 --> 4:06:12.680 And now that that's a battleground word. It's like pronouns 4:06:12.680 --> 4:06:15.360 and profile or whatever. You know. It's like it's actually 4:06:15.360 --> 4:06:19.240 fairly easy to make it clear where you stand on 4:06:19.280 --> 4:06:23.360 this kind of issue. And I I will say, I mean, 4:06:23.400 --> 4:06:25.720 obviously trans people will do a lot of this organizing, 4:06:25.720 --> 4:06:28.120 but I think that we have a lot, an awful 4:06:28.120 --> 4:06:30.280 lot of CIS people with us, And so you, the 4:06:30.440 --> 4:06:33.760 CIS listener, we also fucking love and respect you because 4:06:33.760 --> 4:06:36.040 if you've made it into an hour of us talking 4:06:36.040 --> 4:06:37.840 about how much this matter is, it clearly matters to 4:06:37.880 --> 4:06:40.040 you too, you know. Yeah, this is probably our like 4:06:40.400 --> 4:06:43.200 three or whatever the fuck and both episodes and soon 4:06:43.240 --> 4:06:45.240 you won't be allowed to wear pants if you're a 4:06:45.360 --> 4:06:51.680 fab So you know this is gonna hit everyone. Yeah, yeah, 4:06:51.680 --> 4:06:53.160 and I think you know all of the stuff that 4:06:53.200 --> 4:06:56.240 I've been seeing right about you know. Like another part 4:06:56.280 --> 4:06:59.560 of this also is is literally just like a thing 4:06:59.600 --> 4:07:01.680 that you can do that is organizing that will help 4:07:01.680 --> 4:07:04.080 in this stuff is literally just talking to your friends, yeah, 4:07:04.680 --> 4:07:08.640 and being like, hey, here's my eight friends or whatever, 4:07:08.920 --> 4:07:12.160 here are things. How do you feel about this? You know, 4:07:12.240 --> 4:07:13.800 and then and then and then try and then you know, 4:07:14.000 --> 4:07:15.880 using using this kind of stuff using this kind of 4:07:15.920 --> 4:07:20.640 mapping stuff and you know, using using what you can 4:07:20.880 --> 4:07:25.080 learn about how you know this this this, this, this 4:07:25.240 --> 4:07:26.760 part of it has been kind of abstract, but I 4:07:27.680 --> 4:07:31.240 think intentionally so it's like we we we we are, 4:07:31.320 --> 4:07:33.480 we are in a place where we need to very 4:07:33.560 --> 4:07:38.320 rapidly build up capacity for a kind of movements that 4:07:38.360 --> 4:07:41.320 can actually do things. And I think this is this, 4:07:41.320 --> 4:07:47.440 this is sort of like the planning phase for that is. Yeah, 4:07:47.640 --> 4:07:49.360 but you know, like these these are things that are 4:07:49.360 --> 4:07:51.360 going down to be created very quickly. These were we 4:07:51.400 --> 4:07:54.200 are going to have to very quickly figure out you 4:07:54.240 --> 4:07:57.600 know what what what levers can be like pushed right. 4:07:57.600 --> 4:08:02.040 And one of the things about like the first bathroom 4:08:02.080 --> 4:08:05.680 bill in North Carolina, right, it didn't get repealed, but 4:08:05.920 --> 4:08:09.840 it got like amended to be slightly less bad. Yeah, 4:08:09.840 --> 4:08:12.240 And it got amended to be slightly less bad because 4:08:12.520 --> 4:08:14.520 the state it very quickly ran into trouble with a 4:08:14.520 --> 4:08:17.200 bunch of corporations who were like, you know, because an 4:08:17.200 --> 4:08:19.240 initial push that they were like we're like, Okay, we're 4:08:19.280 --> 4:08:21.080 gonna we're gonna pull out of events in this state. 4:08:21.120 --> 4:08:23.720 We're gonna pull out of like backing your giant, Like 4:08:23.720 --> 4:08:25.520 we're gonna pull out of having our giant like fucking 4:08:25.560 --> 4:08:28.640 sports tournaments here, We're gonna pull out of like advertising 4:08:28.680 --> 4:08:30.760 for like retails off and that. And that got them 4:08:30.800 --> 4:08:33.960 to sort of like run away very very quickly, right, 4:08:34.360 --> 4:08:36.880 And that's been the one big thing they've been actually 4:08:36.880 --> 4:08:38.400 scared of. And I think this is part of why 4:08:38.640 --> 4:08:41.200 they've been pushing this sort of like quote corporation like 4:08:41.240 --> 4:08:45.440 anti Disney stuff so hard. Is that like the kind 4:08:45.480 --> 4:08:48.480 of backlash that can very quickly get these people to 4:08:48.640 --> 4:08:51.680 flip is the kind of backlash that starts actually hurting. 4:08:52.200 --> 4:08:55.000 If these kinds of bills start hurting their bottom line, 4:08:55.320 --> 4:08:57.720 these a lot of these people will flip because a 4:08:57.800 --> 4:08:59.520 lot of a lot of even the legislators who are 4:08:59.560 --> 4:09:01.880 voting for this arn't as hardline as to sort of 4:09:01.920 --> 4:09:06.600 like daily wire people. And if their campaign funders are like, hey, 4:09:06.680 --> 4:09:09.560 you gotta fucking turn this around so the economy can 4:09:09.600 --> 4:09:12.440 go back to normal, like they they will flip on 4:09:12.480 --> 4:09:14.960 this stuff. Okay, this is what I was talking about, 4:09:15.040 --> 4:09:17.080 is about things that you can do to begin to 4:09:17.200 --> 4:09:20.360 mount pressure campaigns and mount direct actions. I also wanted 4:09:20.360 --> 4:09:24.160 to talk about sort of like just survival network stuff 4:09:24.200 --> 4:09:26.000 because that also was going to be a part of this. 4:09:27.200 --> 4:09:29.400 And yeah, Margaret, you had a lot of very very 4:09:29.440 --> 4:09:33.000 good stuff in a thread that you wrote about this. Yeah, 4:09:33.040 --> 4:09:36.640 I wrote a thread a week or so ago about 4:09:36.680 --> 4:09:39.440 all this stuff as I woke up and doom squirrelled 4:09:39.480 --> 4:09:41.400 for a while, and you know, and I was just 4:09:41.440 --> 4:09:43.760 thinking a lot back on the organizing that I know 4:09:43.800 --> 4:09:45.440 people are doing and stuff like that, and trying to 4:09:45.440 --> 4:09:47.560 put things together and and so some of it's just 4:09:47.680 --> 4:09:53.160 kind of like tips, right, And I want to say, 4:09:53.760 --> 4:09:57.720 like again, well again to the threat, not to something 4:09:57.760 --> 4:10:00.080 I've said here, Um, I think that we need to 4:10:00.120 --> 4:10:02.640 focus on what unites us and not what divides us. 4:10:02.720 --> 4:10:04.600 Right now. I think that this is not a time 4:10:05.920 --> 4:10:12.480 for public facing internal conflict. It is not a time 4:10:12.560 --> 4:10:19.760 for interpersonal conflict to be aired publicly. Not to say 4:10:19.760 --> 4:10:22.360 that interpersonal conflict doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. We need 4:10:22.400 --> 4:10:25.080 to you know. I believe mediation is actually one of 4:10:25.120 --> 4:10:28.320 the most important skills actually, frankly, literally, if you're listening 4:10:28.320 --> 4:10:30.040 and you have any mediation skills, I think it is 4:10:30.080 --> 4:10:32.160 the thing that the revolution needs more than anything else. 4:10:32.200 --> 4:10:37.880 Off the top of my head, but overall, basically, there's 4:10:37.920 --> 4:10:40.440 something that MC Soul said, I don't know if his 4:10:40.520 --> 4:10:42.320 own podcast might have been Twitter a long time ago. 4:10:42.360 --> 4:10:44.200 And it's really stuck in my head, which is that 4:10:44.200 --> 4:10:46.560 we need to focus on. We need to de escalate 4:10:46.640 --> 4:10:49.160 all conflict that isn't with the enemy, Which isn't to 4:10:49.160 --> 4:10:51.640 say that the conflict doesn't happen, is that we need 4:10:51.720 --> 4:10:53.720 to look how to de escalate it and bring it 4:10:53.800 --> 4:10:57.640 down in pressure. Except when it's with the enemy, like 4:10:57.640 --> 4:10:59.960 with someone who's trying to murder all the trans people 4:11:00.080 --> 4:11:02.640 or someone who's like a white nationalist or whatever, right, 4:11:02.880 --> 4:11:05.360 we are not looking to de escalate that conflict. We 4:11:05.400 --> 4:11:08.320 are probably looking to escalate that conflict. We are looking 4:11:08.320 --> 4:11:09.960 to make it very clear the way in which we 4:11:10.000 --> 4:11:13.640 are not that person. But and I'm as guilty this 4:11:13.680 --> 4:11:16.040 as anyone else. I have a lot of pet peeves 4:11:16.080 --> 4:11:21.000 that people who listen to my show are very aware of. Also, 4:11:21.240 --> 4:11:23.680 this fight will happen on multiple fronts, using multiple tactics. 4:11:23.680 --> 4:11:26.000 There's this magical phrase diversity of tactics, and we have 4:11:26.040 --> 4:11:28.640 to mean it. And diversity of tactics usually means like 4:11:28.720 --> 4:11:31.080 kind of like, no, you should support my tactic, like 4:11:31.280 --> 4:11:33.560 especially if you're like tactic is like riots or something. 4:11:33.600 --> 4:11:35.680 You know. You often say diversity of tactics, and what 4:11:35.720 --> 4:11:37.320 you really mean is like my shit rules and your 4:11:37.320 --> 4:11:39.880 shit sucks. We actually have to straight up mean it. 4:11:39.920 --> 4:11:42.320 We need to support the people who are focused in 4:11:42.400 --> 4:11:45.240 legislative action, even though it's not where we are strong. 4:11:45.640 --> 4:11:48.200 It is a place that needs to be shored up. 4:11:48.480 --> 4:11:50.560 We need to focus. We need to support the people 4:11:50.560 --> 4:11:53.800 who focus on community defense. We need to focus. We 4:11:53.880 --> 4:11:56.120 need to support the people who are doing illegal things. 4:11:56.360 --> 4:11:58.360 We need to support the people who are doing organizing 4:11:58.400 --> 4:12:01.640 in all kinds of different ways. And if build organizations 4:12:01.680 --> 4:12:04.960 that accept diversity of tactics and don't expect to have 4:12:04.960 --> 4:12:08.800 a sort of hegemony over the movement, we can create 4:12:08.800 --> 4:12:11.880 a very strong movement. Most of my personal infighting is 4:12:11.880 --> 4:12:13.400 with people who do want to have a Gemini over 4:12:13.440 --> 4:12:16.440 a movement, and so you get I fall into this 4:12:16.520 --> 4:12:20.480 like trap where I'm like, how do we fucking anyway whatever? Okay, 4:12:20.960 --> 4:12:23.400 other things that people can do if you are not 4:12:23.520 --> 4:12:25.920 visibility LGBT and you feel like it is safe to 4:12:25.960 --> 4:12:27.640 do so, or you feel like it is dangerous to 4:12:27.640 --> 4:12:29.080 do so, and you're willing to be a little bit 4:12:29.120 --> 4:12:32.440 fucking dangerous because we are in complicated fucking times, be 4:12:32.640 --> 4:12:36.960 publicly clear that you support lg LGTP, whatever us And 4:12:37.120 --> 4:12:40.000 like the day that I wrote yeah, support the queers, 4:12:40.240 --> 4:12:41.800 Like the day that I wrote this. I live in 4:12:41.840 --> 4:12:44.040 you know, I live in West Virginia. I go to 4:12:44.160 --> 4:12:47.080 Lows and you know I'm having a bad day. I'm like, fuck, 4:12:47.120 --> 4:12:49.760 I mean, like, you know, at what point is it 4:12:49.760 --> 4:12:51.640 going to be a crime for me to go to Lows? Right? 4:12:51.960 --> 4:12:55.800 And the like guy, just the fucking metal head guy 4:12:55.840 --> 4:13:01.000 who seemed kind of like super masculine metal guy tattoos 4:13:01.680 --> 4:13:05.520 and he had his fucking like trans ally support pin 4:13:05.680 --> 4:13:08.320 on And if we were in like a big major city, 4:13:08.400 --> 4:13:10.440 it might have almost seemed like cringey because it said 4:13:10.480 --> 4:13:14.520 like ally or whatever on it, right, And I'm fucking 4:13:14.640 --> 4:13:18.440 overworrying about what's cringe e. I'm like, no, thank you. 4:13:18.560 --> 4:13:20.960 I I went up and I thanked him, right, because 4:13:20.960 --> 4:13:25.520 it like fucking helped my day. And that kind of 4:13:25.520 --> 4:13:28.400 shit is going to matter because it is now actually 4:13:28.440 --> 4:13:32.920 a fairly dangerous thing in some places to be visibly 4:13:33.800 --> 4:13:36.400 in support of us, And I absolutely appreciate the people 4:13:36.440 --> 4:13:43.320 who are doing it. And another thing that we need 4:13:43.360 --> 4:13:44.720 to support this is the kind of thing that you've 4:13:44.720 --> 4:13:46.480 talked a little bit about is that, Okay, we need 4:13:46.520 --> 4:13:49.080 to have support networks. We need to have networks that 4:13:49.120 --> 4:13:53.680 are protecting trans people, families that are leaving environments. There's 4:13:53.720 --> 4:13:57.600 so many families that want to leave these states where 4:13:57.320 --> 4:14:00.160 their child is no longer safe will be or so 4:14:00.280 --> 4:14:03.840 detransition will not be allowed to transition. There are transparents 4:14:03.840 --> 4:14:06.600 in Florida who might be at risk of losing their children. 4:14:06.640 --> 4:14:08.440 All of these things, people are going to want to move. 4:14:08.720 --> 4:14:11.680 We need to support people materially who are trying to move. 4:14:12.120 --> 4:14:14.440 And there will be organizations that are doing this. If 4:14:14.440 --> 4:14:16.960 they don't exist yet, you can start them. And if 4:14:16.960 --> 4:14:19.320 you wait for them to start, that's also sometimes okay, 4:14:19.320 --> 4:14:22.400 if you're played is full, you can support those organizations 4:14:23.000 --> 4:14:26.400 in a lot of different ways. We can also support 4:14:26.440 --> 4:14:28.400 and not shame people who choose to live in red 4:14:28.440 --> 4:14:31.160 states as like, as a Red state transperson, I think 4:14:31.200 --> 4:14:32.800 about this a lot about like because like I'm not 4:14:32.880 --> 4:14:36.480 planning on moving right, you know, it helps that I'm 4:14:36.480 --> 4:14:41.200 an adult. I'm like settled whatever, Like my mental health 4:14:41.320 --> 4:14:45.320 is strong, you know, but I'm not planning on going anywhere. 4:14:45.680 --> 4:14:48.640 And that's why we can't give up these spaces, right. 4:14:49.200 --> 4:14:52.160 I think that one of the things I kind of 4:14:52.160 --> 4:14:55.520 mentioned earlier, but is that like we are not in 4:14:55.600 --> 4:14:58.200 normal times. We need to take this seriously. We also 4:14:58.280 --> 4:15:00.920 need to not assume that all this is a foregone conclusion. 4:15:01.480 --> 4:15:04.280 We need to not assume that this will go down 4:15:04.400 --> 4:15:07.920 like Nazi Germany. However, we need to be aware that 4:15:08.000 --> 4:15:11.400 it might, and we need everyone This is not a 4:15:11.400 --> 4:15:14.960 trans people thing, This isn't everyone thing. We need to 4:15:14.960 --> 4:15:18.640 think about what that actually means. You know, there's that 4:15:18.800 --> 4:15:21.080 cliche that is true right now that is like, if 4:15:21.120 --> 4:15:22.360 you want to know what you have been doing in 4:15:22.680 --> 4:15:25.680 Germany in nineteen thirty three, it's what you're doing right now. 4:15:26.320 --> 4:15:29.840 And that's true. This is a time for us to 4:15:30.000 --> 4:15:32.760 be the kind of person that we want to be. 4:15:33.200 --> 4:15:36.440 We are in dangerous and complicated times, and it is 4:15:36.480 --> 4:15:38.800 times that we need to be brave, and we need 4:15:38.800 --> 4:15:42.040 to be brave for each other. Bravery is not the 4:15:42.080 --> 4:15:46.640 absence of fear. Bravery is doing things despite fear. Bravery 4:15:46.720 --> 4:15:49.560 is the presence of courage, not the lack of awareness 4:15:49.560 --> 4:15:54.360 that things are scary and bad. Yes, and that's kind 4:15:54.360 --> 4:15:57.080 of like my main thing is I want us to 4:15:57.240 --> 4:16:02.240 not panic, right, not assume that we're going to lose, 4:16:03.040 --> 4:16:05.400 to realize that they are acting this way because they're 4:16:05.440 --> 4:16:09.040 on their back foot. This was always going to happen 4:16:09.680 --> 4:16:13.720 in the fact that in a way we kind of 4:16:13.800 --> 4:16:16.640 started this fight by like existing and like coming out 4:16:16.640 --> 4:16:19.200 of the closet and shit. But we basically were like, no, 4:16:19.320 --> 4:16:23.200 we're allowed to be here, and most people were like, yeah, okay, 4:16:23.240 --> 4:16:25.240 I guess that tracks. I guess you're allowed to be here. 4:16:25.400 --> 4:16:28.320 And then some small portion were like, these are demons 4:16:28.440 --> 4:16:32.000 from hell sent to rip the tits off of the children. 4:16:32.080 --> 4:16:35.800 I'd like to marry. The freaks like Matt Walsh are 4:16:35.800 --> 4:16:39.960 the ones who declared quote unquote war on trans people, right, 4:16:41.440 --> 4:16:45.520 because we were coming for their way of life, not 4:16:45.840 --> 4:16:49.120 their way of life in terms of like heterosexual marriage 4:16:49.360 --> 4:16:54.600 that gets to still exist, that's fine, like, but compulsory 4:16:54.640 --> 4:17:00.560 heterosexuality and compulsory sis sexuality is the thing that we 4:17:00.680 --> 4:17:04.160 are coming for. And their way of life is hegemony. 4:17:04.240 --> 4:17:06.920 Their way of life is being the only force of power. 4:17:07.480 --> 4:17:10.000 And so yeah, I guess the other stuff is that 4:17:10.080 --> 4:17:13.120 we just okay, what would you do in Nazi Germany? 4:17:13.160 --> 4:17:14.920 That's what you're doing right now, and you should think 4:17:14.960 --> 4:17:17.000 about what skills you have and how they apply to 4:17:17.080 --> 4:17:21.640 different things. And then the kind of final point to 4:17:21.800 --> 4:17:24.880 a lot of this is as a specific issue and 4:17:24.920 --> 4:17:26.840 it's a pet issue of mine, and that could be 4:17:26.840 --> 4:17:28.840 completely wrong. I have a lot of bias about this, 4:17:29.160 --> 4:17:31.840 but I would fucking love it if liberals would shut 4:17:31.840 --> 4:17:35.960 the fuck up about guns. Right now, it is very 4:17:36.040 --> 4:17:38.240 hard for me to find a state that is not 4:17:38.360 --> 4:17:40.240 either in the process of trying to tell me that 4:17:40.280 --> 4:17:43.200 I can't wear a dress, or find a state that 4:17:43.320 --> 4:17:45.160 is trying to tell me that I can't carry the 4:17:45.240 --> 4:17:48.360 means to protect myself from the violent bigots who want 4:17:48.400 --> 4:17:50.960 to kill me because I wear a dress. It is 4:17:51.040 --> 4:17:53.800 incredibly hard to find states that are not pushing in 4:17:53.840 --> 4:17:56.640 one of those directions or another, and it is embarrassing. 4:17:56.920 --> 4:18:01.080 It is embarrassing that this, of all times, is the 4:18:01.120 --> 4:18:04.760 time that liberals are focusing so hard on gun issues, 4:18:04.920 --> 4:18:07.800 which is a culture war bullshit thing for them. They 4:18:07.880 --> 4:18:11.960 don't fucking care. They didn't fucking care about abortion. They 4:18:12.040 --> 4:18:21.280 just want your fucking votes. And we are probably entering 4:18:21.320 --> 4:18:25.760 a very bad and hard time. However, we can do it. 4:18:26.320 --> 4:18:29.080 We have done it in the past, and my reading 4:18:29.120 --> 4:18:31.680 of history it basically is this cycle I kind of 4:18:31.720 --> 4:18:35.200 don't quite believe in, like a forward progress everything gets better, 4:18:36.640 --> 4:18:43.680 things ebb and flow. And however, we will survive this, 4:18:44.320 --> 4:18:48.480 not necessarily all of us as individuals. Probably probably there 4:18:48.520 --> 4:18:51.600 won't be like large numbers of killings as a result 4:18:51.640 --> 4:18:56.200 of this, but it is possible, right, But they it 4:18:56.360 --> 4:19:00.800 is impossible to stamp out homosexuality, It is impossible to 4:19:00.880 --> 4:19:06.280 stamp out transsexuality. We have always been here, we will 4:19:06.320 --> 4:19:13.000 always be here. And so yeah, to quote my final 4:19:13.160 --> 4:19:15.520 quote in that particular threat, I definitely went off threat. 4:19:15.560 --> 4:19:18.640 But um, we need to find each other. We need 4:19:18.680 --> 4:19:21.560 to stop fighting with each other about bullshit. We need 4:19:21.600 --> 4:19:24.200 to defend each other. We need to be brave. And 4:19:24.240 --> 4:19:30.640 then I will cite the anarchist's prayer, which is that 4:19:30.680 --> 4:19:32.720 I ask not to be safe for my enemies, but 4:19:32.840 --> 4:19:37.440 dangerous to them, because all right, this is what we're 4:19:37.480 --> 4:19:41.400 fucking doing, and like, we all want to be safe, 4:19:41.520 --> 4:19:46.000 but that's not something that we're guaranteed. What we are 4:19:46.040 --> 4:19:49.480 guaranteed is that we can choose how to handle the 4:19:49.520 --> 4:19:53.360 situation that we're in. And then almost done, almost done. 4:19:53.920 --> 4:19:56.040 You talked to earlier about what we owe the dead 4:19:56.080 --> 4:19:57.960 I really liked your way phrasing that. I really liked 4:19:57.960 --> 4:19:59.400 a lot of what you were talking about about all 4:19:59.400 --> 4:20:04.240 of that, and one thing that I think about we're 4:20:04.280 --> 4:20:07.280 talking about like the Catholic church and shit right, one 4:20:07.320 --> 4:20:09.760 thing that I owe the dead is I owe Sister Dominic, 4:20:09.920 --> 4:20:14.000 a Catholic nun, to not fucking go back into the 4:20:14.040 --> 4:20:17.200 closet because when my cousin came out as trans, this 4:20:17.280 --> 4:20:20.040 woman who is literally married to God, she died a 4:20:20.040 --> 4:20:23.800 couple of years ago, maybe ten years ago now, before 4:20:23.840 --> 4:20:26.600 I came out, but my cousin came out before me, 4:20:26.720 --> 4:20:29.640 because it's a contagion now because we were always fucking trans, 4:20:29.680 --> 4:20:33.760 and she was completely supportive, completely and immediately in my like, 4:20:34.720 --> 4:20:38.320 you know, and just this is a woman who dedicated 4:20:38.320 --> 4:20:45.320 her entire life too well to God and saw literally 4:20:45.440 --> 4:20:48.880 no problem. Was the most immediately accepting person immediately said 4:20:48.880 --> 4:20:51.320 you know, I bet she's always felt that way. And 4:20:51.360 --> 4:20:55.920 so I personally owe it to her to tell these 4:20:55.920 --> 4:20:59.760 Catholics to shut the fuck up, because fucking Jesus Is 4:21:00.040 --> 4:21:04.400 wife says, it's fine. Fuck you, That's what I got. 4:21:05.720 --> 4:21:09.440 Thank you, Margaret, Yeah, that was fantastic. Where where can 4:21:09.480 --> 4:21:13.280 people find you? And some of your other work across 4:21:13.440 --> 4:21:16.560 the across the web. Yeah, I just finished a four 4:21:16.600 --> 4:21:19.840 part series on Stonewall and the stuff that came before Stonewall, 4:21:19.840 --> 4:21:22.000 the riots that kind of brought us this movement, and 4:21:22.040 --> 4:21:24.920 how it was all different types of queers and even 4:21:24.960 --> 4:21:29.080 some hat people working together to bring us as far 4:21:29.120 --> 4:21:31.720 as we've gotten. And you can find that on my 4:21:31.760 --> 4:21:34.520 podcast Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff. It's with It 4:21:34.520 --> 4:21:39.560 Could Happen here host Sharine as my guest. And you 4:21:39.600 --> 4:21:41.720 can also find me talking about the end of the 4:21:41.760 --> 4:21:44.040 world on Live Like the World Is Dying as another 4:21:44.080 --> 4:21:47.640 podcast that I'm a co host of. And my most 4:21:47.680 --> 4:21:51.000 recent book is called Escape from Insel Island, and it 4:21:51.160 --> 4:21:53.840 is not nonfiction. It is not something about how people 4:21:53.880 --> 4:21:56.200 should get better. It's literally about someone with the shotgun 4:21:56.200 --> 4:21:57.960 who lands on an island full of insults and has 4:21:57.960 --> 4:22:02.880 to get out alive. Fantastic. Well, thank you for listening 4:22:02.920 --> 4:22:06.280 through all the way. 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