1
00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,680
Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let

2
00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,359
Speaker 1: you know. This is a compilation episode. So every episode

3
00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,360
Speaker 1: of the week that just happened is here in one

4
00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,240
Speaker 1: convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to

5
00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,760
Speaker 1: listen to in a long stretch if you want. If

6
00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,680
Speaker 1: you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

7
00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,520
Speaker 1: there's got to be nothing new here for you, but

8
00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:27,400
Speaker 1: you can make your own decisions. Hello, this is it

9
00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:32,440
Speaker 1: could happen here, and I am Sharne and today it's

10
00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,960
Speaker 1: just me. It's me and I am alone, So that

11
00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,360
Speaker 1: means I am probably going to tell you about some

12
00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,600
Speaker 1: fucked up shit that happened in the Middle East, which

13
00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,400
Speaker 1: is exactly what I'm about to do. I just think

14
00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,640
Speaker 1: some things are purposely underreported, and even when they are

15
00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,440
Speaker 1: seldom reported about, it's always a bit skewed and biased.

16
00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,480
Speaker 1: So I just try to draw attention to certain countries

17
00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,560
Speaker 1: and their people as best as I can because of this,

18
00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,800
Speaker 1: and today I think we're do you for an update

19
00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:06,520
Speaker 1: on Palestine. Israel continues to be humanize Palestinians daily and blatantly,

20
00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,520
Speaker 1: and it's not just through murdering them. Last year under

21
00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,680
Speaker 1: new Israeli restrictions on foreign entry into the West Bank.

22
00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,720
Speaker 1: Foreigners romantically involved with Palestinians must declare their relationship to

23
00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,240
Speaker 1: the occupying Israeli government. Yes, you have to tell them

24
00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,720
Speaker 1: if you are involved with the Palestinians. Why. I don't know,

25
00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,240
Speaker 1: because they're treated as less than human and this is

26
00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,280
Speaker 1: one of many laws that deny Palestinians of basic human

27
00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,720
Speaker 1: rights and keep them under apartheid rule. I want to

28
00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,160
Speaker 1: talk about all that's happened in just these first few

29
00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,840
Speaker 1: months of twenty twenty three, because this cycle of violence

30
00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,360
Speaker 1: in Jerusalem and the West Bank in particular has suddenly

31
00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,280
Speaker 1: surged to levels that we have not seen in years.

32
00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,520
Speaker 1: As of this recording on March seventh, at least sixty

33
00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,280
Speaker 1: six Palestinians have been killed by Israeli forces and settlers

34
00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,920
Speaker 1: since the start of twenty twenty three, and at least

35
00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,360
Speaker 1: seventeen of those killed have been children. For comparison, in

36
00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,480
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, which was the deadliest year in the

37
00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,360
Speaker 1: West Bank in decades, forty eight Palestinians were killed in

38
00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:15,600
Speaker 1: the combined months of January, February, March and April. The

39
00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,520
Speaker 1: deaths are increasing day by day and the rest seemed

40
00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,240
Speaker 1: to be a stop to them at all. Twenty twenty

41
00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,080
Speaker 1: two saw the highest number of civilians killed by Israeli

42
00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:28,079
Speaker 1: security forces in the past seventeen years, and the highest

43
00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:33,080
Speaker 1: number of Israelis killed since twenty sixteen. Renewed violence flared

44
00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,960
Speaker 1: up between Palestine and Israel and January of this year

45
00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,480
Speaker 1: for many reasons, and it continues to build and intensify

46
00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,920
Speaker 1: after a cascade of concerning events. And before we jump

47
00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,320
Speaker 1: into those events that happened in January and onward, I

48
00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,280
Speaker 1: think we need to look back on twenty twenty two

49
00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,400
Speaker 1: in order to understand this a bit better and to

50
00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,960
Speaker 1: hopefully provide some context. So let's take a look at

51
00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,520
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two and how we got here. We are

52
00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,480
Speaker 1: going to be focusing on the West Bank with the

53
00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,480
Speaker 1: majority of the data in this episode, in particular, the

54
00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,280
Speaker 1: one tomorrow will be more broad. I'm going to explain

55
00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,040
Speaker 1: a little bit about what the West Bank even is,

56
00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,960
Speaker 1: just for some more context. The West Bank is a

57
00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,120
Speaker 1: landlocked territory near the coast of the Mediterranean in Western

58
00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,519
Speaker 1: Asia that forms the main bulk of the Palestinian territories.

59
00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,360
Speaker 1: It is bordered by Jordan and the Dead Sea to

60
00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,640
Speaker 1: the east and by Israel to the southwest and north.

61
00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,200
Speaker 1: The West Bank includes East Jerusalem. It's been under Israeli

62
00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,000
Speaker 1: military occupation since nineteen sixty seven, and its area is

63
00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,400
Speaker 1: split into one hundred and sixty five Palestinian quote unquote islands.

64
00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,320
Speaker 1: These islands are under total or partial civil administration by

65
00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,960
Speaker 1: the Palestinian National Authority or the PNA or PA. There

66
00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,040
Speaker 1: are also two hundred and thirty Israeli settlements into which

67
00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:56,080
Speaker 1: israel law is being pipelined. The West Bank initially emerged

68
00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,920
Speaker 1: as a Jordanian occupied territory after the nineteen forty eight

69
00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,680
Speaker 1: Arab Israeli War, before being in xed outright by Jordan

70
00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,400
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty, and it was given its name during

71
00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,120
Speaker 1: this time based on its location on the western bank

72
00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,000
Speaker 1: of the Jordan River. This annexation was widely considered to

73
00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,359
Speaker 1: be illegal and was only recognized by Iraq, Pakistan and

74
00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:21,200
Speaker 1: the UK. The territory remained under Jordanian rule until nineteen

75
00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,479
Speaker 1: sixty seven, when it was captured and occupied by Israel

76
00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,880
Speaker 1: during the Sixth Day War. The Oslo Accords, which were

77
00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,800
Speaker 1: signed in nineteen ninety three between the Palestinian Liberation Organization

78
00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,880
Speaker 1: and Israel created administrative districts with varying levels of Palestinian

79
00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,760
Speaker 1: authority in specific areas. In the West Bank, there was

80
00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,400
Speaker 1: Area A, which is administered exclusively by the PA, there

81
00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,080
Speaker 1: is Area B, which is administered by both the P

82
00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,960
Speaker 1: and A and Israel. And then there's Area SEA, which

83
00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,600
Speaker 1: is administered exclusively by Israel. And this Area C, which

84
00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,880
Speaker 1: is controlled exclusively by Israel, accounts for over sixty percent

85
00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,680
Speaker 1: of the West Bank's territory. Twenty twenty two was the

86
00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,560
Speaker 1: deadliest year for West Bank Palestinians in nearly two decades.

87
00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,520
Speaker 1: Israeli forces killed more Palestinians in the West Bank in

88
00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,719
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two than in any other year. The United

89
00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:16,240
Speaker 1: Nations began systematically recording Palestinian fatalities in two thousand and five,

90
00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,680
Speaker 1: and they started doing this after the last major Palestinian

91
00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:24,880
Speaker 1: uprising aka the Second Intifada that lasted five years. And

92
00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,040
Speaker 1: knowing that, I want you to keep in mind that unfortunately,

93
00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,440
Speaker 1: the number of Palestinians that have been killed by the

94
00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,120
Speaker 1: IDF is far greater than some of the numbers I'm

95
00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,360
Speaker 1: going to say in this episode. And again that is

96
00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,000
Speaker 1: because I am focusing particularly on the West Bank. I

97
00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,000
Speaker 1: want to talk about Israel's twelve month crackdown that has

98
00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,240
Speaker 1: been happening in the West Bank. Nearly twelve months ago,

99
00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,680
Speaker 1: Israel begana has become a year long violent crackdown in

100
00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,680
Speaker 1: the West Bank. Israel last year prompted a sweeping Israeli

101
00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,240
Speaker 1: military campaign that they called Operation Breakwater beginning March of

102
00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:01,240
Speaker 1: two and twenty two. It was created after attacks occurred

103
00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:06,880
Speaker 1: by Palestinians against Israeli settlers. Since then, Operation Breakwater has

104
00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,560
Speaker 1: conducted nearly nightly IDF raids in the West Bank, which

105
00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,680
Speaker 1: of course causes heightened friction between the IDF and the

106
00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,760
Speaker 1: Palestinian population. So far, Israeli security forces have made over

107
00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,920
Speaker 1: two thousand arrests, and that's way too big of a number,

108
00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,120
Speaker 1: just to give you an idea of the terrifying scale

109
00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,320
Speaker 1: of this operation. Operation Breakwater is the biggest IDF operation

110
00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,320
Speaker 1: in the West Bank since the Second Intifaba that I

111
00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,520
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that lasted from two thousand to two thousand

112
00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,000
Speaker 1: and five. Since the start of this operation last year,

113
00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,040
Speaker 1: nearly every day Israel has conducted raids in the West Bank,

114
00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,680
Speaker 1: which is part of the Palestinian territory, which encompasses the

115
00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,000
Speaker 1: Godza strip in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and

116
00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,000
Speaker 1: this whole territory has been illegally occupied by Israel since

117
00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:58,159
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven. In spite of this, because Israel does

118
00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,000
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck it wants, because it's already founded upon

119
00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:05,000
Speaker 1: existing illegally in the first place, thousands of Palestinians, many

120
00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,360
Speaker 1: of them young, have been arrested, and nearly every week

121
00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:13,080
Speaker 1: more Palestinians are being killed. Last year, this all resulted

122
00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,600
Speaker 1: in the highest cumulative death toll in the West Bank

123
00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,600
Speaker 1: since two thousand and four. Palestinian rights groups and UN

124
00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,400
Speaker 1: experts have said that the bloodshed is due to Israel's

125
00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,440
Speaker 1: excessive use of force and open fire rules during near

126
00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,320
Speaker 1: daily military operations, as well as rising assaults by settlers

127
00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,480
Speaker 1: in the West Bank, where again Palestinians are living under

128
00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:37,760
Speaker 1: illegal Israeli occupation. Israel justified their intensifying violence because of

129
00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,600
Speaker 1: the fatal attacks on Israelis by Palestinian militants, which also

130
00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,680
Speaker 1: spiked last year, which is also very bad, but blaming

131
00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,400
Speaker 1: the people you've been oppressing for nearly a century for

132
00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:53,080
Speaker 1: being angry and fighting back people without an army faced

133
00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,680
Speaker 1: against one of the most powerful armies in the world.

134
00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,400
Speaker 1: It just does not sit right with me. In twenty

135
00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,800
Speaker 1: twenty two, Israeli security forces killed at least one hundred

136
00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,360
Speaker 1: and fifty two Palestinians in the West Bank and predominantly

137
00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,920
Speaker 1: Palestinian East Jerusalem, compared with seventy five Palestinians in twenty

138
00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,200
Speaker 1: twenty one. These are figures provided by the UN Office

139
00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:19,040
Speaker 1: for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs or OTCHA. Four Palestinians

140
00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:24,240
Speaker 1: in the West Bank were killed by Israeli settlers, not soldiers. Settlers,

141
00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,800
Speaker 1: settlers that have been emboldened and even encouraged in their

142
00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,440
Speaker 1: hate and violence by the Israeli far right, and the

143
00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,920
Speaker 1: Israeli far right is basically the Israeli government at this point.

144
00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,920
Speaker 1: And we're going to get into some of the extremes

145
00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,839
Speaker 1: that these settlers go through in their hate and their

146
00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:45,240
Speaker 1: violence more tomorrow, but for now, let's focus on twenty

147
00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,640
Speaker 1: twenty two. Most of the Palestinian deaths occurred during Israeli

148
00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,480
Speaker 1: military raids and clashes in the West Bank cities of

149
00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,280
Speaker 1: Jenin and Nablus. More than half of the Palestinians who

150
00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,240
Speaker 1: were murdered were under the age of twenty five. They

151
00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,760
Speaker 1: never even had a chance to live their lives with

152
00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,760
Speaker 1: their families and their loved ones. Each one of these

153
00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,040
Speaker 1: individuals that were killed have people mourning them and missing

154
00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,280
Speaker 1: them every day, and I never want anyone to forget that.

155
00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,319
Speaker 1: Among those killed last year were also US citizens El Jazeero,

156
00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,520
Speaker 1: journalists Sharin Abu Akhle, and seventy eight year old Omar Assad,

157
00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,600
Speaker 1: And because of their US citizenship, their deaths gained rare

158
00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:30,800
Speaker 1: worldwide attention and briefly sharpened international criticism of Israel. Sharine,

159
00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,200
Speaker 1: if you remember, was shot in the head while wearing

160
00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,520
Speaker 1: a press vest. She was there as a reporter doing

161
00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,360
Speaker 1: her job. No violence was taking place around her, she

162
00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,720
Speaker 1: was targeted and killed. Israel says she was probably killed

163
00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:49,640
Speaker 1: by a soldier's gunfire unintentionally, and that was that. The

164
00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,120
Speaker 1: world moved on. I did an episode last year about

165
00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,760
Speaker 1: Sharene Aboahle and how Israel murdered her in broad daylight,

166
00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,680
Speaker 1: So if you guys want to revisit that, that is there,

167
00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,480
Speaker 1: back to the episode. I don't want us to forget

168
00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,520
Speaker 1: that this data is regarding the West Bank. Only hundreds

169
00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,840
Speaker 1: of Palestinians die at the hands of Israel's terrorist organization,

170
00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,000
Speaker 1: that they call an army every year. In May of

171
00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,079
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, if you can remember that far back,

172
00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,600
Speaker 1: at least two hundred Palestinians were killed in a week

173
00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:25,720
Speaker 1: of Israeli airstrikes, just one week, and the deaths included

174
00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,280
Speaker 1: fifty nine children and thirty five women, with nearly thirteen

175
00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,360
Speaker 1: hundred people wounded. Women and children made up nearly half

176
00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:38,000
Speaker 1: of the casualties. Fifty nine children, fifty nine children that

177
00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,800
Speaker 1: were just taken with families that will never be the same.

178
00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,400
Speaker 1: I just want people to remember these things when I

179
00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,800
Speaker 1: mentioned numbers, that each number is an actual living child

180
00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,760
Speaker 1: or person. In twenty twenty two, in a statement to

181
00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:56,360
Speaker 1: The Washington Post, Israel's military said that Israeli soldiers used

182
00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,320
Speaker 1: live fire when quote necessary during counter terrorisumectivities in response

183
00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:06,520
Speaker 1: to quote violent riots, which often include explosive devices, molotop cocktails,

184
00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,599
Speaker 1: and rocks hurled at the idef soldiers and Israeli civilians.

185
00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,520
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? One of the most powerful and

186
00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,480
Speaker 1: supported armies in the world is saying that it's killing

187
00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:22,760
Speaker 1: people in response to rocks being thrown at them. Armed

188
00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,200
Speaker 1: and protected soldiers covered in swat gear with all the

189
00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,599
Speaker 1: weapons they could ever fucking dream of fighting against the

190
00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,800
Speaker 1: people without an army at all, blaming them in an

191
00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,840
Speaker 1: official statement to the Washington Post for throwing rocks. I mean,

192
00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,720
Speaker 1: just just get the fuck out of here. The idf

193
00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,160
Speaker 1: are all fucking clowns. And maybe I shouldn't be cursing

194
00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,559
Speaker 1: and I should pretend to be professional, but they make

195
00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,560
Speaker 1: me fucking mad, And I think we should all be

196
00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,200
Speaker 1: fucking mad because I don't think it's fair, and I

197
00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,280
Speaker 1: know life isn't built to be fair, but to terrorize

198
00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,840
Speaker 1: and genocided population, drive them into a corner and then

199
00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,640
Speaker 1: blame them for having the audacity for fighting back and

200
00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,319
Speaker 1: the only ways accessible to them is fucking ludicrous. You

201
00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,679
Speaker 1: can't both sides a conflict when one of those sides

202
00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,160
Speaker 1: has one of the most advanced and supported armies in

203
00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,800
Speaker 1: the world that oppresses the other side that has no

204
00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,319
Speaker 1: army and no support of any kind, a side who

205
00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,280
Speaker 1: has rocks in their hands resorting to violence because absolutely

206
00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,440
Speaker 1: nothing and no one is helping them. A total of

207
00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,280
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty four Palestinians were killed in twenty

208
00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,160
Speaker 1: twenty two, including the forty nine people that I mentioned

209
00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,480
Speaker 1: earlier that were murdered during a three day Israeli assault

210
00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:38,200
Speaker 1: on the besieged Gaza Strip, Seventeen were children. And I'm

211
00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:43,079
Speaker 1: emphasizing this because Palestinian children have started keeping goodbye letters

212
00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,960
Speaker 1: in their pockets in case they're killed by the Israeli army.

213
00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,360
Speaker 1: No child should have to live in fear that they

214
00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,480
Speaker 1: might be killed at any moment, but that's the reality

215
00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,640
Speaker 1: for Palestinian children. Nearly every day, Palestinians wake up to

216
00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,319
Speaker 1: news that the Israeli military has killed yet another Palestinian.

217
00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:06,240
Speaker 1: This daily violence against Palestinians has traumatized generations of Palestinian children,

218
00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,520
Speaker 1: and their parents have no way to protect them. Many

219
00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,760
Speaker 1: of the casualties in the West Bank in twenty twenty

220
00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,000
Speaker 1: two were young Palestinians who have only ever known military

221
00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,800
Speaker 1: occupation and the oppression of the Israeli government. The West

222
00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,360
Speaker 1: Bank also has to deal with the repressive politics of

223
00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,160
Speaker 1: the Romala based Palestinian Authority, the PA, which was set

224
00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,240
Speaker 1: up as a caretaker government three decades ago and is

225
00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,280
Speaker 1: now widely unpopular among Palestinians. And I'll get into this

226
00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:37,240
Speaker 1: more after a quick break, So brb Okay, we're back.

227
00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,840
Speaker 1: As I mentioned earlier, the West Bank has to deal

228
00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,720
Speaker 1: with repressive politics of the Romala based Palestinian Authority, which

229
00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,720
Speaker 1: was set up three decades ago and is now widely

230
00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:53,280
Speaker 1: unpopular among Palestinians. A spokesperson from the Palestinian rights group

231
00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,079
Speaker 1: Al Huch said people are very, very fed up. Whether

232
00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:01,000
Speaker 1: it's in Jerusalem or Jenin or Nablus. The last twenty

233
00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,840
Speaker 1: years have not shown any improvements in the situation. This

234
00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,520
Speaker 1: spokesperson spoke only on the condition of anonymity for fear

235
00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,640
Speaker 1: of reprisal by Israeli security forces, because the Israeli security

236
00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:17,160
Speaker 1: forces raided the organization's headquarters in Romola last August. The

237
00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,200
Speaker 1: spokesperson explained that quote the near daily raids in areas

238
00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,040
Speaker 1: under control of the PA showed that the sovereignty of

239
00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,400
Speaker 1: the PA does not exist. So they're saying that the

240
00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,960
Speaker 1: Palestinian Authority is basically useless. If these Israeli raids are

241
00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,560
Speaker 1: happening in areas that are supposedly under control or quote

242
00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,640
Speaker 1: care of the PA, then what the fuck are they

243
00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:43,200
Speaker 1: even Therefore toward Wensland, the UN Special Coordinator for the

244
00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,840
Speaker 1: Middle East Peace Process, told the Washington Post last year, quote,

245
00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,640
Speaker 1: we have a new dynamic in the West Bank and

246
00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,360
Speaker 1: around Jerusalem with a quote new generation of Israelis and

247
00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,680
Speaker 1: Palestinians in conflict, there is an urgent need to de escalate.

248
00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,360
Speaker 1: He also cited the quote tension and so called friction zones,

249
00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,160
Speaker 1: which are areas where Israeli settlements continued to encroach on

250
00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,800
Speaker 1: Palestinian lands and where violence is mounting, probably in part

251
00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,480
Speaker 1: due to the frustration with the lack of action by

252
00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,480
Speaker 1: the Palestinian authority. Twenty twenty two also saw the emergence

253
00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,280
Speaker 1: of two new Palestinian militant groups, thee Genin Battalion and

254
00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,880
Speaker 1: the Lions Den, both led by disaffected young men with

255
00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:30,480
Speaker 1: local support networks. Meanwhile, Israel's military has repeatedly declined to

256
00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,400
Speaker 1: provide the number of internal investigations they supposedly opened last

257
00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,720
Speaker 1: year regarding their misconduct related to the Palestinian deaths. In

258
00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,960
Speaker 1: September of last year, Israel announced the results of its

259
00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,320
Speaker 1: inquiry into the death of Sharin abu Akhle, who again

260
00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,360
Speaker 1: was shot in the head while covering a military raid

261
00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,120
Speaker 1: near Jenin last May. The IDF said that a quote

262
00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,800
Speaker 1: found a high possibility that Miss abu Akhle was accidentally

263
00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:00,640
Speaker 1: killed by IDF gunfire towards suspects identified as armed Palestinian

264
00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,280
Speaker 1: gunmen during an exchange of fire, though it has not

265
00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,080
Speaker 1: released any evidence whatsoever showing the presence of gunmen in

266
00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,040
Speaker 1: the area. An investigation by The Post contradicted the IDF's

267
00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,040
Speaker 1: claim that there was an exchange of fire in the

268
00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:18,840
Speaker 1: minutes before Abu Akle was killed, and surprising absolutely no one,

269
00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,000
Speaker 1: the IDF said it would not pursue criminal charges against

270
00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,560
Speaker 1: its soldiers. No one is being held accountable for the

271
00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:31,880
Speaker 1: killing of Palestinian life, including Palestinian children. Israel has continued

272
00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,360
Speaker 1: to operate as though they have immunity, which in a

273
00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,400
Speaker 1: way they do thanks to the United States, who does

274
00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,800
Speaker 1: nothing but give Israel more money and weapons and good press.

275
00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:46,280
Speaker 1: Even more concerning, far right politician Itamar Ben Gevid, who

276
00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,680
Speaker 1: was Israel's new national security minister, has proposed giving police

277
00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,800
Speaker 1: and soldiers wider latitude to use live ammunition and putting

278
00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,920
Speaker 1: laws in place that would shield them from criminal prosecution

279
00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,600
Speaker 1: for killing or injuring Palestine. And this should be a

280
00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:06,000
Speaker 1: red flag for everybody. The other Hawk spokesperson said that

281
00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,000
Speaker 1: many of those killed in Israeli raids last year appeared

282
00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:13,720
Speaker 1: to be either bystanders or victims of excessive force. Let's

283
00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,280
Speaker 1: not forget that they also killed members of the press

284
00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,359
Speaker 1: who clearly wear press vests in a moment where no

285
00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,520
Speaker 1: violence was ever taking place, just a camera and reporters

286
00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,040
Speaker 1: trying to raise awareness that the crimes that Israel commits.

287
00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,800
Speaker 1: An early December, Israeli fire killed a teenage girl in

288
00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,360
Speaker 1: Jenin who was on her roof as a raid unfolded nearby.

289
00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,680
Speaker 1: Days earlier, Israeli forces fatally shot a sixteen year old

290
00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,320
Speaker 1: boy who was throwing stones at a checkpoint outside Ramula.

291
00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,720
Speaker 1: We're getting to the end here, so let's take our

292
00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,480
Speaker 1: last little break and we'll be right back, and we're

293
00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:55,880
Speaker 1: back talking about how the IDF shoots Palestinians as though

294
00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,960
Speaker 1: they're basically playing a video game. They had shot a

295
00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,720
Speaker 1: teenage girl and a sixteen year old boy, and there

296
00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,440
Speaker 1: are many disturbing videos of idea of soldiers shooting Palestinians

297
00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,280
Speaker 1: like they are playing a video game. There's one video

298
00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,960
Speaker 1: in particular that I'm thinking about that is so fucking

299
00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,600
Speaker 1: disgusting where one soldier is crouching down and aiming his

300
00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,520
Speaker 1: gun at a Palestinian who was hiding behind a dumpster.

301
00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,600
Speaker 1: I know that the Palestinian is hiding behind a dumpster,

302
00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,480
Speaker 1: because the soldier says something to the effect of what

303
00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,960
Speaker 1: does he think he's doing behind that dumpster? And then

304
00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,320
Speaker 1: the soldier shoots and jumps up in pure elation, cheering

305
00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,240
Speaker 1: for himself because he shot this person. There's another soldier

306
00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,280
Speaker 1: in the frame next to him who seems to be

307
00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,919
Speaker 1: more aware of the camera that is recording them, who

308
00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:46,280
Speaker 1: keeps telling his annoying murderer friend to we professional instead

309
00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:48,159
Speaker 1: of jumping up and down like he just scored a

310
00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,800
Speaker 1: point in a game, because that is all this is

311
00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,720
Speaker 1: to them. There is much more evidence of this infuriating

312
00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,000
Speaker 1: and horrific attitude and culture of the IDF and Abby

313
00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:02,320
Speaker 1: Martin's two nineteen films Gaza Fights for Freedom, which I've

314
00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,359
Speaker 1: probably already recommended a million times and will continue to recommend.

315
00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,880
Speaker 1: It is free on YouTube tour Wensland. We mentioned earlier

316
00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,520
Speaker 1: the UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process said, quote,

317
00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,320
Speaker 1: the continued killings of Palestinians by Israeli security forces an

318
00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,040
Speaker 1: incidents where they did not appear to present an eminent

319
00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,640
Speaker 1: threat to life are disturbing. He went on to say

320
00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,720
Speaker 1: that quote, I am increasingly concerned by the fragility of

321
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,760
Speaker 1: the current political and security dynamics, particularly in the occupied

322
00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:38,480
Speaker 1: West Bank including East Jerusalem. Vulker Turk, the UN High

323
00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,040
Speaker 1: Commissioner for Human Rights, said, for this violence to end,

324
00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,000
Speaker 1: the occupation must end on all sides. There are people

325
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,679
Speaker 1: who know this. The violence of last year reflects a

326
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:54,119
Speaker 1: dangerous mix of on the ground and generational changes, and

327
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,880
Speaker 1: this could only escalate further as Israel's mostly far right

328
00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:03,199
Speaker 1: government becomes more far right because Jewish supremacists who have

329
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:08,119
Speaker 1: incited violence against Palestinians were recently sworn into office, including

330
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 1: Israel's aforementioned new Minister of National Security. And he's just

331
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 1: one of the many cogs in the machine of Israel

332
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:21,040
Speaker 1: being controlled by far right terrorists. And yes, to me,

333
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,879
Speaker 1: they are terrorists because literally everything they do was either

334
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,679
Speaker 1: a crime or a crime against humanity, regardless. At the

335
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 1: end of last year, Israel's new government was sworn into office.

336
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:37,920
Speaker 1: It's nationalist, exclusionist and far far right. It's the most

337
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 1: extreme Israeli government in the nation's history. Benjamin and Yahoo,

338
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,680
Speaker 1: who's already the country's longest serving prime minister, is at

339
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 1: the helm of the country for the sixth time, and

340
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 1: this time he's assembled the most far right cabinet in

341
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 1: Israel's history, with the most notable posts given to ultra nationalists,

342
00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 1: one of them being the person we mentioned at tamar Ben,

343
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 1: the new Minister of National Security aka a position that

344
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 1: oversees the police. There's also Bezalel Simotric, who will have

345
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,160
Speaker 1: significant power over Israeli settlements. In addition to his role

346
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 1: as Finance Minister. The government has promised to expand those

347
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 1: settlements those already illegal settlements. The members of this new

348
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,119
Speaker 1: coalition have also made extensive comments denigrating the queer community.

349
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 1: They've also called for stricter definitions of who even qualifies

350
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 1: as Jewish. In making its vision abundantly clear, the government

351
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,639
Speaker 1: released policy guidelines at the end of September, announcing the

352
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:39,119
Speaker 1: Jewish people's quote exclusive and inalienable right to all parts

353
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 1: of the land of Israel. Toward the end of January,

354
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 1: the policies of the Enyaho's newly swording government coalition brought

355
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 1: out about eighty thousand protesters in Tel Aviv. The protesters

356
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: were largely focused on the government's proposals to overhaul the

357
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 1: judicial system, which could weaken the country's democracy and separation

358
00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 1: of powers quote unquote democracy yet right, But the effects

359
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,679
Speaker 1: of the policies on the one point six million Palestinian

360
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: citizens of Israel and the five point two million Palestinians

361
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: living in the occupied territories, all of these effects are

362
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 1: going to be catastrophic and only building upon years of

363
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: policies that Israeli human rights organizations say constitute crimes against humanity.

364
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 1: The human rights defenders and experts in Israeli politics emphasize

365
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: that this government is not a departure from the previous ones.

366
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 1: And yes, it is Netanyahu's sixth time leading the country,

367
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: but instead of being a new government, it's instead a

368
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: culmination of Israeli politics that are only drifting farther and

369
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 1: farther to the right, and then decades longer of policies

370
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: that amount to defacto annexation of the occupied West Bank

371
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 1: and policies of Jewish supremacy. What's different now, however, is

372
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 1: how clearly these ideas are stated in the new government's

373
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: coalition guidelines by prominent ministers of the fundamentals of how

374
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 1: the country runs. This time, it is clear it is

375
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 1: written in the guideline. There's no longer subtlety to their hate.

376
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: It is in writing. The new Israeli government is somewhat

377
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: of a turn from the brief centrist government of last year,

378
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: but it's still seeking to implement policies that are anti

379
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 1: Palestinian and anti liberal. But again, it is certainly not

380
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: the first Israeli government to do these things. The executive

381
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: director of the Israeli Watchdog Bitsalem again apologize, probably must

382
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 1: pronounced that said, it's key not to pretend, as many

383
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 1: seem to already be doing, that it'll somehow be a

384
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: sudden departure from Israeli quote unquote democracy. What worries me

385
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: is that even this level of clarity will not be

386
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 1: sufficient to trigger an adequate international response. And the new

387
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: Israeli government is shaping up just to be extreme as

388
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: we anticipated. Israel's parliamentary system is made up of many

389
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: fragmented parties, and it's slowly been collapsing, and there's been

390
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: turmoil and whatever, because there have been five national elections

391
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: since twenty nineteen. The quote unquote change government in twenty

392
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: twenty one brought together opposing parties last year to Auston

393
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 1: n Yahoo finally once and for all, right, But that

394
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 1: fell apart last summer, and in the ensuing elections, nan

395
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: Yahoo built a coalition of ultra orthodox and religious Zionist

396
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: parties that returned him to power, leading to an even

397
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 1: more extreme government. So even they tried to get rid

398
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: of him, but he came back worse than ever. And

399
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: so this extreme government is already acting in extreme ways

400
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: and again the new government's ministers have made long standing

401
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 1: attacks on the queer community, as well as religious freedom

402
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: and Israeli in Palestinian civil society, as well as who

403
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: can call themselves Jewish. Above all, there are going to

404
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: be drastic implications for Palestinians living in the occupied West

405
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 1: Bank and for the civil liberties of Israeli citizens, mostly

406
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 1: because Nenyahoo's internal coalition negotiations have brought settlers into key

407
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: ministerial posts, and only days into the government being sworn in,

408
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 1: there have been already multiple signs and signals of how

409
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: these personalities are going to rule. Justice Minister Yarev Levin

410
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: has introduced legislation that would weaken judicial review and the

411
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: power of israel Supreme Court to strike down legislation. Another

412
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: proposal would revamp and politicize the country's longstanding process for

413
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: selecting judges. And of course we can't forget about the

414
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: fucking new National Security Minister aka to Marvin Gavide, who

415
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: is part of the Jewish Power Party. His political ideas

416
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: are inspired by the late radical iconoclass Rabbi Mayor Kahane

417
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: Bengavie has stepped into a role that is basically tailor

418
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: made to oversee the police both within Israel and the

419
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: occupied West Bank, and in early January, he on somehow

420
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: legal grounds directed the police to tear down any Palestinian

421
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,479
Speaker 1: flag in public spaces. And then there's also Finance Minister

422
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,120
Speaker 1: Bezalel Summatric. He is the head of the Religious Zionism Party,

423
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: and he's also a settler whose anti gay rhetoric is prolific,

424
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: to say the least. He has already seized customs revenues

425
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: that belong to the Palestinian Authority, and he's called the

426
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: Palestinian Authority a terror abetting body that he thinks should fall.

427
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: He also holds newly created authorities that give him oversight

428
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: of the West Bank occupation through a role crafted for

429
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: him in the Defense Ministry. So they're essentially just creating

430
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: these roles and creating these rules that only allow them

431
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: to have more control corruption one oh one. I suppose

432
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: we can also see clearly Hona and Yaho and his

433
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: partners are going to govern. In the coalitions agreement that

434
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 1: sets out the new government's guidelines, it's not legally binding,

435
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: but it states plainly in its ideology that quote, the

436
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: Jewish people have an exclusive and in allegal right over

437
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: all areas of the Land of Israel. The government will

438
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: promote and develop the settlement of all parts of the

439
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: Land of Israel, and this includes to them the Occupied

440
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: West Bank. Israeli human rights organization of Dull La wrote

441
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 1: in a report, this goes further than any previous agreements.

442
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: The government has made explicit the coalition's party's long standing

443
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: intent to further entrench Jewish supremacy in Palestinian repression throughout

444
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: the State of Israel and the Occupied West Bank through

445
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: a two tiered system of governance on all levels. The

446
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: new government's approach to the occupied West Bank revolves around

447
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: the illegal annexation of Palestinian land. The government plans to

448
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: legalize the illegal outposts that are built on private Palestinian land,

449
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: and the likely result of that is Palestinians being stripped

450
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: of rights and protections and left even more vulnerable to

451
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: violence and the hardship they're already enduring. The Israeli Rights

452
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: organization of the LA goes on to say that these

453
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: changes to the judicial system and bestowing ministers like Symatrek

454
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: with new authorities over the occupation threatened civil rights and

455
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: individual rights in Israel, but it is mainly going to

456
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: be a big, big issue against the national minority, the

457
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: Palestinian citizens of Israel, who make up about twenty percent

458
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: of the country. They are going to be the first

459
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: and most severely damaged by those changes. And clearly the

460
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: Israeli government even before all of this, but now it

461
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: is clearly stated it has all the components of fascism.

462
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: And yet the US still appears to beholding out hope

463
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: that it can somehow work with and Yahoo and his

464
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: fucking government and its fucking ministers. Even now politics are

465
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: all a scam. Everyone fucking sucks. Israel has been violating

466
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: Palestinians human rights with impunity for decades, but this new

467
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: government again just illustrates the most brutal intentions with greater clarity.

468
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: Bits Salem, another human rights group, said the hypocrisy is

469
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: denying that Palestinians have already been living for many years

470
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: under extreme, organized criminal Israeli state violence underwritten by the US,

471
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: and the lack of accountability and the acquiescence of the

472
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: international community is to a great extent responsible for driving

473
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: this and as we mentioned in this episode, last year,

474
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two was the most deadly year for Palestinians

475
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: living in the occupied West Bank since the UN began

476
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: recording the deaths in two thousand and five. It was

477
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: also the year that the most Palestinians have been held

478
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: in administrative detention, and the attacks on Palestinians throughout the

479
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,719
Speaker 1: center right government leading up to all of this, the

480
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: governments of Ya Lapide and Nefatali Benett cannot be understated.

481
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: It's always been bad. Now it's just extremely bad. And

482
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: in sharpie, the US has a role here too, because

483
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: it continues to supply Israel with billions of dollars of

484
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: military aid, and it has also failed to publicly criticize

485
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: the En Yahoo's new political allies. An analyst covering Israel

486
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: and Palestine for International Crisis Group said there's no way

487
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: that the en Yahoo, as desperate as he is, would

488
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: have gone to form this kind of coalition. If it

489
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: wasn't for years and years of US abdication of sponsibility

490
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: for what happens here, he just wouldn't have felt that

491
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: he could do it. It would have been too outlandish.

492
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: And all of this brings us to twenty twenty three,

493
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: which we will talk about tomorrow because I like short episodes,

494
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: so I'll see you there and welcome back to it

495
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: could happen here. It's still Sharine, and we are going

496
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: to continue our discussion about Palestine. Yesterday we talked about

497
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: the atrocious things that Israel has done to Palestinians in

498
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, and it brought us all to now

499
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. And as a reminder, as of this

500
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: recording on March seventh, at least sixty six Palestinians have

501
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: been killed by Israeli forces and settlers since the start

502
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three, and at least seventeen of those

503
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: killed were children. Thursday, January twenty sixth marked one of

504
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: the deadliest Israeli army operations and the occupied West Bank

505
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: since at least two thousand and five. Israeli soldiers invaded

506
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: a crowded genin refugee camp on Palestinian land and massacred

507
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: nine Palestinians, wounding at least twenty others. Among these nine

508
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: Palestinians were two children and a sixty one year old woman.

509
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: The injuries of the wounded were in the head and chest,

510
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: indicating that Israeli soldiers were shooting to kill. Israeli soldiers

511
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: also blocked paramedics from delivering medical aid to the injured,

512
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: and they tear gassed the children's ward of a hospital.

513
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: This massacre is the deadliest Israeli attack in the Palestinian

514
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: West Bank in nearly twenty years. I just want to

515
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: repeat some things in case I said that too fast

516
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: or it's just glossed over. But nine Palestinians were killed,

517
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: two children, a sixty one year old woman, and the

518
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: injuries were in the head and the chest. They were

519
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: shooting to kill, They blocked paramedics from delivering medical aid

520
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: to the injured, and they tear gassed the children's ward

521
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: of a hospital. What is the justification of that? Someone

522
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: please tell me. I'm all ears just monstrous things that

523
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: Israel is doing to Palestinians. And in addition to the

524
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: massacre in Jenin Israeli soldiers killed three other Palestinians within

525
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: twenty four hours of the massacre, a child and two

526
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: young men. This raid on January twenty sixth led the

527
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: Palestinian Authority aka the PA to stop coordinating with Israel

528
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: on security matters, officially suspending it's US supervised security cooperation

529
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: with Israel, but it's unclear to what extent that will

530
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: take place, and this spike in violence is occurring on

531
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: both sides. A day after the raid aka massacre in

532
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: the Gena refugee camp, a Palestinian gunman near a synagogue

533
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: outside of Jerusalem killed seven people and injured three more.

534
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: Violence is often the response when you lead with violence,

535
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: and this event marked the deadliest Palestinian attack against Israelis

536
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: since two thousand and eight. Israel's colonization and military occupation

537
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: of Palestinian land and its violent apartheid rule over millions

538
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: of Palestinians are the root cause of this violence, but

539
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: US media largely ignores Israel's violence, as Israeli's soldiers routinely

540
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: murder Palestinians, including children, destroying their homes, and stealing their land.

541
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: Remember yesterday when I mentioned that we would talk about

542
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: the heinous things that Israeli settlers have been doing well.

543
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: On January twenty eighth, Israeli settlers attacked Palestinians at least

544
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty four times. The attacks ranged from

545
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: assaulting Palestinians to setting Palestinian homes and cars on fire.

546
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: No arrests were made. In fact, Israeli soldiers often allow

547
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: Israeli settlers to attack Palestinians, even joining in themselves or

548
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: arresting the Palestinians who have been attacked. Israeli settlers live

549
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: on stolen Palestinian land and violation of international law. They

550
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: shouldn't be on Palestinian land in the first place, let

551
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: alone be given free reign to attack Palestinians without any

552
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: sort of consequence. These are all obvious hate crimes that

553
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: are only supported and encouraged by the military and the government.

554
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: If a government treats those it oppresses as less than human,

555
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: its people will only do the same. This January was

556
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: the deadliest January for Palestinians in fourteen years, and Israel's

557
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: violence shows no signs of stopping. It seems like Israel's

558
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: new extremist far right government is determined to exact more

559
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: violence against Palestinians this year than ever before, and with

560
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 1: the US officials refusing to condemn their actions, Israel's leaders

561
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: are getting a green light to continue to terrorize Palestinians.

562
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: Never held accountable for the daily violence and apartheid rule

563
00:34:55,160 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: over Palestine, Palestinians deserve freedom from Israel's daily violence and

564
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: at the very least, fair media coverage so that the

565
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: world understands what's really going on. On March third of

566
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: this year, Israel killed a fifteen year old Palestinian boy

567
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: by shooting him in the back. This occurred in the

568
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: West Bank town of Azoun, when an israel military vehicle

569
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: drove into town. Teens were hurling rocks at the car.

570
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: Soldiers responded with live fire, which is a very reasonable

571
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: response to having a stone thrown out your fucking tank.

572
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: In addition to shooting and killing a fifteen year old

573
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: Palestinian boy a child in the back, two others were

574
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: wounded in this attack, including a child. He was currently

575
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: still in critical condition. Israeli forces have carried out three

576
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 1: large scale raids on Palestinian cities since Israel's new government

577
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: took office at the end of last year, including one

578
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: in Nablus on February twenty second that led to the

579
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: largest Palestinian death toll in a single military occupation since

580
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: two thousand and five. Israeli forces killed at least eleven

581
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: Palestinians and wounded more than one hundred more. Among those

582
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: killed were a seventy two year old man, a sixteen

583
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: year old boy, and a sixty six year old man

584
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: who died of tear gas in hillation. New armed Palestinian

585
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: groups have also emerged in response to this violence, and

586
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: there has been a spate of Palestinian attacks against Israelis

587
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: going back though to the fakery of the Israeli settlers.

588
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: On February twenty sixth, at least four hundred Israeli settlers

589
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: attacked several Palestinian villages in Nablus, including Kawara, killing one

590
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 1: man and injuring hundreds of others. The violence came after

591
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: calls were made by Israeli Kanesset member Zabaka Fogel apologies

592
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: obviously mispronounced. I tried my best, but this violence came

593
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: after this Kanesset member told the settlers to burn the

594
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: town down. Settlers burned down more than thirty homes and

595
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: at least one hundred cars while beating Palestinians with metal

596
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: rods and rocks. None of these settlers were arrested. About

597
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: a hundred Palestinians are also being treated for tear gas

598
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: in hialation. In one of the many videos of this event,

599
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: and yes, there are actual videos of like this happening

600
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: without any justice, crowds of Jewish settlers can be heard

601
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: reciting the Jewish prayer for the dead as they stare

602
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: at a building in flames. There's a video of Israeli

603
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: settlers fucking dancing as the violence takes place. And earlier,

604
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 1: a prominent Israeli cabinet minister and settler leader had called

605
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: for Israel to quote strike without mercy. On March first,

606
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: Beziel Samatric, who was Israel's finance minister who also handles

607
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: civil administration in the West Bank, said the village of

608
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: Hawada should be wiped out. He told a journalist quote,

609
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: I think Hawada needs to be erased. The state should

610
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: be the one to do that. Back to that, Israeli

611
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: Knesset member Zivika Fogel again apologies for mispronouncing that. He

612
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: tweeted that quote. Hawada closed plus burnt down. That's what

613
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: I want to see. On an earlier occasion, Fogel said

614
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: that quote a hundred Palestinians must be killed in a day,

615
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: and he described these Palestinians as terrorists and to force

616
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: them to the quote Israeli will. In response to Symmetric's

617
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: statement that the Palestinian village of Hawaida should be wiped out,

618
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: the Human Rights Chief of the United Nations AKA Volker Turk,

619
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: who we mentioned briefly yesterday, he said that these commas

620
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: are an unfathomable statement of incitement to violence and hostility.

621
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: He went on to say the situation in the occupied

622
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 1: Palestinian territory is a tragedy, a tragedy above all else

623
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: for the Palestinian people. This was during a report that

624
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: he presented on the situation and the occupied territories to

625
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: the UN Human Rights Council. He said, my report finds

626
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: that over the reporting period, lethal force has been frequently

627
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: employed by the Israeli security forces, regardless of a level

628
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: of threat, and at times even as an initial measure

629
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: rather than a last resort. My office has also documented

630
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: several cases of apparent extra judicial targeted killings by members

631
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: of the isof the Israeli security forces. The report finds

632
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: that one hundred and thirty one Palestinians were killed by

633
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: the isof personnel over the past year in a context

634
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: of law enforcement, that is outside any context of hostilities.

635
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: This includes sixty five people who we understand were not

636
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: armed or not engaged in any attacks or clashes. The

637
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: occupation is eating away at the health of both societies

638
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: on every level, from childhood to old age and in

639
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: every part of life. For this violence to end, the

640
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: occupation must end on all sides. There are people who

641
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: know this. I did mention the end of that report

642
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: briefly yesterday, but I wanted to mention more of it today,

643
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: just to really give you the whole context of what

644
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: this report was saying to the UN. The European Union's

645
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 1: envoy to the Palestinians also called for accountability for these

646
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: settler attacks. It is absolutely necessary for us that accountability

647
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: is fully ensured, that the perpetrators are brought to justice,

648
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 1: that those who lost property be compensated. In what seemed

649
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: like a very rare move, the Defense Minister Yolav Gallant

650
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: said that he signed administrative detention orders for two suspects

651
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: over this rampage, and he court ordered police to release

652
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: all seven people who have been detained in connection to

653
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: the rampage. Amnesty International condemned this release of the suspects.

654
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: It also condemned the use of administrative attention, which it

655
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: said was a practice that violates international law. But Israel

656
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: doesn't care about that, because it violates international law a lot,

657
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 1: and here it is Israeli, writes group yesh Din found

658
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: that ninety three percent of investigations into settler attacks in

659
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: the occupied West Bank between two thousand and five and

660
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two were closed without indictment. And even though

661
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: the US demanded that ne Enyahoo disavow symatrics call for

662
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: Hawaara to be erased, nothing has happened. Nunyah, who on

663
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: the night of the rampage urged people not to take

664
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: the law into their own hands, but he never publicly

665
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: addressed sematric statement or responded to the unusual criticism by

666
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: the US, who was obviously a close ally. The situation

667
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: in Israel today is clear. Israel has become a state

668
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: for the settlers, where some of these militias have the

669
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: support of the Israeli ministers, such as Symatric and Bengavid.

670
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: Israeli settlers who chant death to Arabs and mayor village

671
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: burn have the direct support of people in uniform and

672
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: the Israeli government. And just like the other Israeli settlers

673
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: who set hundreds of Palestinian homes on fire and uprooted

674
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: thousands of Palestinian olive trees and got away with their crimes,

675
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: it is highly unlikely that the Israeli settlers who burned

676
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 1: homes in Hawada will be touched. And there have been

677
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: protests that are actually secular and liberal in a desperate

678
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: attempt to stop this growing far right government, but they

679
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 1: don't do much, obviously, when you're in a fascist government regime.

680
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: I can't believe we haven't talked about him yet, but

681
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: President Isaac Herzog, who is Israel's eleventh president and he's

682
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: been president since twenty twenty one, he stepped in after

683
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: these protests were happening, and with support from President Biden,

684
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 1: he was facilitating a compromise between the government and these

685
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: protesters and what seemed like a well intentioned effort to

686
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: build some kind of consensus, it was only in fact

687
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: this ill advised attempt to appease fascists and pander to evil,

688
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: and any compromise that is offered by Herzog would be

689
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: skewed toward the ruling majority, which holds the power to

690
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: interpret its articles at will. A compromise will also whitewash

691
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: and empower the ruling fascists, presenting them as responsible and

692
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: pragmatic actors as they pursue their extremist agenda, and as

693
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: a street opposition loses momentum and disintegrates slowly but surely.

694
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: In a recent article, Haretz said that Herzog's plans were

695
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: born in sin to whitewasher government led by a criminal

696
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: defendant who was in a conflict of interest in everything

697
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: regarding changes in the judicial system and certainly regarding such

698
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: a radical quote unquote reform. And obviously, the more sinister

699
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: and dangerous ramifications of such a compromise lies in its

700
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: focusing on Israel's liberal democracy for the Jews while ignoring

701
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: its tyranny toward the Palestinians. In fact, reaching any sort

702
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: of compromise on domestic affairs is sure to free the

703
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: government's hand, only to widen its oppression, deepen its occupation,

704
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: and multiply its illegal settlements, Israel has no security solutions

705
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: in Palestine. Former intelligence officer Chief Ami Ayalon, in his

706
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: biography Friendly Fire, said of Israel, because of its occupation,

707
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: Israel's democracy will evolve into tyranny. Let's go back to

708
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: Izamar Binevide, Israel's Minister of Security, who the New York

709
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: are actually called Israel's Minister of chaos. He has been

710
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: convicted of eight charges, including supporting a terrorist organization and

711
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: incitement to racism, and who, according to former Prime Minister

712
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: a Hud al Marte, presents a more eminent danger to

713
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: Israel than a nuclear armed Iran. And as we mentioned,

714
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: Bin Gaveer serves as Minister of Security alongside his genocidal

715
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: partner and crime but Zabel Sumatric, the Minister of Finance.

716
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: Both of these men have risen to the highest echelons

717
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: of power thanks to their racist campaigns and incitement against Palestinians.

718
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: Their fanatical religious movement has sprung out of the illegal

719
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: settlements in the occupied West Bank based on these Zionist

720
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: belief in the necessity to take full control of all

721
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: of historic Palestine aka the quote the Land of Israel

722
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: as they call it, in order to redeem the Jewish

723
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: people by any means necessary. In other words, Israel's fanatics

724
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: have a divine ordained, vested interest in greater turmoil in

725
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: Israel and Palestine that strengthens and expands their base, especially

726
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: among their youth. After decades of military occupation. Polls and

727
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: surveys suggests that about sixty percent of Jewish Israeli's favor

728
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: segregation from the Palestinian Israelis, and sixty percent identify as

729
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: right wing today, a number that rises to seventy percent

730
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: for those aged eighteen to twenty four. This does not

731
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: bode well for a future piece or security. It's not

732
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: exactly a generation that's going to die out. It's a

733
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: generation that's being formed as we speak. And even though

734
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: Palestine has the Palestine Authority or any kind of leadership,

735
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: that is obviously weakening. Even when Israel pretends to coordinate

736
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: with them on security and intelligence matters, it persists on

737
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: humiliating the Palestinian leaders, undercutting their authority, and undermining their

738
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: legitimacy as it forces settlers to rampage through the Palestinian

739
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: neighborhoods and refugee camps without out any sort of repercussions.

740
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: And I know Israel gets called an apartheid state a

741
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: lot these days, and it isn't apartheid state. But basically

742
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: the engine of turmoil and violence today is only because

743
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: of Israel's decade long military and civilian occupation, This occupation

744
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: that has rapidly transformed into an entrenched system of apartheid

745
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: government because of the two separate set of laws, rules, standards,

746
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: and structures designed to favor the illegal settlers and to

747
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: maintain and expand Jewish supremacy from the Jordan River to

748
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: the Mediterranean Sea. The ruling fascists plan to unleash greater

749
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: state and settler violence against the Palestinians as this year progresses,

750
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: and in the process transform Israel into a fascist garrison

751
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: state and worsen regional turmoil. Let's take our first break here.

752
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: We will continue when we come back. Brb Okay, we're back.

753
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: In twenty fifteen, the world was shocked by the kidnapping

754
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 1: of Palestinian child Muhamment of Jadid from Jerusalem by Israeli

755
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: settlers who burnt him alive. This was depicted in the

756
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: HBO show Our Boys. It's a decent show. I recommend

757
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: you swatch it just for more information. It's really hard

758
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: to watch, but it's still a really good show. But

759
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: this event, this kidnapping of a Palestinian child who was

760
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: burnt alive by Israeli settlers. This is the mentality of

761
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: Israeli settlers in the West Bank today, where birding Palestinians

762
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 1: in their homes is celebrated by their political leaders. These

763
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: groups have carried out dozens of attacks against Palestining families

764
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: by birding their homes and their farms, including burning the

765
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: Palestinian Dawabshi family in the village on Duma in late

766
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: July twenty fifteen, where an eighteen month old Dali Dawapshe

767
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: and his parents lost their lives. Between six hundred thousand

768
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: and seven hundred and fifty thousand Israeli settlers live in

769
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: at least two hundred and fifty settlements and outposts built

770
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: by the Israeli government and settlers across the occupied Palestining

771
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: West Bank and East Jerusalem. That is equivalent to roughly

772
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: eleven percent of the total Jewish Israeli population. They live

773
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: beyond the quote internationally recognized borders of their state on

774
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: Palestinian land. That Israel militarily occupied in nineteen sixty seven

775
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: and continues to do so until today. Settlers also lived

776
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 1: in the besieged Gaza Strip until two thousand and five,

777
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: when they were evacuated. The Gaza Strip has also been

778
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: described as an open air concentration camp if you want

779
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: an idea of maybe why they left. The majority of

780
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: settlers are armed, and Palestinians living on the occupied West

781
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: Bank and East Jerusalem suffer from hundreds of Israeli settler

782
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: attacks each year. Such attacks, which include shootings, stabbings, arson beatings,

783
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 1: and rock throwing, have become more organized over the last

784
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 1: few years. Every year, thousands of Palestinian trees and cars

785
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: and homes are burned by these settlers. Many of these

786
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: incidents have been recorded on video, showing that the attacks

787
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: often take place under the protection or in coordination with

788
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: the Israeli Army, sometimes with soldiers and settlers shooting side

789
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: by side. Israeli settlements are illegal under international law, as

790
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: they violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, which banns and occupying

791
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: power from transferring its population to the area it occupies.

792
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: This is for a variety of reasons, including protecting civilians

793
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: from the theft of resources by the occupying power, and

794
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: to prevent changes in the demographic makeup of the occupied territory,

795
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: which both things have happened. Israel is doing that very successfully. Unfortunately,

796
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: the majority of settlements have been built either entirely or

797
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: partially on private Palestinian land. Despite being outside of Israel proper.

798
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: These settlers are granted Israeli citizenship and they receive government

799
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: subsidies that significantly lower their cost of living. In contrast,

800
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: Palestinians living in the West Bank are subject to Israeli

801
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: military Harry law, and there has been an increasing number

802
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: of settler attacks. Between twenty ten and twenty nineteen, the

803
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs recorded

804
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: at least two thousand, nine hundred and fifty five settler

805
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: attacks in which at least twenty two Palestinians were killed

806
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 1: and at least one thousand, two hundred and fifty eight

807
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: others were injured. The governance of Nablos, Tebron and Romola

808
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: had the highest numbers of these incidents. Since the start

809
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three, Israeli settler related violence reached an

810
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: average of three incidents per day, compared with two incidents

811
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: per day in twenty twenty two, still really shitty, and

812
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: one incident per day in twenty twenty one. This is

813
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: what the UN had told El Jazeera, and this is

814
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,959
Speaker 1: the highest daily average of settler related incidents affecting Palestinians

815
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: since two thousand and six. And criminal charges are rarely,

816
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: if ever pursued, And although not every attack can be

817
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: tied to another, it seems that since the launch of

818
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: Israel's Operation Breakwater last March, it's only driving the surge

819
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: and violence further. The imbalance between these two forces doesn't

820
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: get any better when you add politics and leadership into

821
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: the mix. While Israel is appointing more and more far

822
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: right politicians to higher positions of power, there has been

823
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: a weakening of Palestinian security forces. Palestinian security forces are

824
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: trained by the US and international forces to patrol the

825
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: West Bank, round up Palestinian militants, and coordinate with Israeli

826
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: officials to prevent attacks on Israelis, but those forces have

827
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: lost a law of legitimacy among their own people. Many

828
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: Palestinians see them as doing Israel's bidding, maintaining Israel's military occupation,

829
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: rather than resisting it. Increasingly, pockets of the West Bank

830
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: have become no go zones for the Palestinian authority forces,

831
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 1: who now either refuse to enter or find it too dangerous.

832
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: That includes the Genin refugee camp, which is a dense,

833
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: highly populated district. Israel says it's stepping in to fill

834
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: the void of leadership, intensifying its arrest raids in these

835
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: densely populated areas, and unsurprisingly this leads to deadly clashes.

836
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: But Israel has occupied the West Bank for nearly fifty

837
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: six years and continues to deepen its grip on it.

838
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: It says Palestinians are not ready to make peace with

839
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: Israel and that the occupation is a security necessity. But

840
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: it has also allowed and supported hundreds of thousands of

841
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: Israeli settlers across the West Bank, which we've seen manifest

842
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: and the far right parades and the rallies that chant

843
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: for the quote death of Arabs. Additionally, Israel's new far

844
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: right government vows to legalize dozens of small settlement outposts

845
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: deep in the heart of the occupied territory, making it

846
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: harder to envision a future Palestinian state there, which is

847
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: part of their whole agenda. Younger Palestinians have grown up

848
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: not knowing anything but Israel's brutal permit regime, which controls

849
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: Palestinians entry and movement, and some of their only interactions

850
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: with Israelis are often with hostile settlers or with occupation

851
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: enforcing soldiers who raid their homes and jail people for

852
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: months without charges. And because of the inaction of both

853
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: the Palestinian Authority and the international community, some young Palestinians

854
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: see violent resistance against Israel as their only viable path

855
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: to freedom, With young militants lionized on social media, let's

856
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 1: take our last break here, we'll be right back, talk

857
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: about Palestinian leadership, Israel's far right, and a bunch of

858
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: other terrible stuff. So whoopee, you're back and we are back.

859
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: So as Palestinian leadership weakens, Israel's far right only gets stronger.

860
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: According to Poles, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas eighty seven,

861
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: one of the Middle East's oldest leaders, has lost the

862
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: support of most Palestinians. Palestinian protesters and activists have long

863
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: accused Abas of not taking a more active role in

864
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: dealing with Israeli aggression. In his nineteenth year of what

865
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: was supposed to be a four year term, a Bas

866
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: has lost control of Gaza to the mil to Hamas,

867
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: calling off elections for new leadership and allowing government corruption

868
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: to thrive, never laying out a clear future for Palestinians.

869
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: But it's not the end of Abbas's reign that worries Palestinians.

870
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: It's what comes next when the eighty seventy year old

871
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: is no longer president. But the question of who will

872
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: replace a Bas is not currently at the top of

873
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: the Palestinian public's agenda. Doctor Mustapha Baghruti, the head of

874
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: the Palestine National Initiative Movement, said that Palestinians, particularly the

875
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 1: younger generation, are no longer viewing the two state solution

876
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: as a viable option. They are also recognizing that they

877
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: can't expect anything from Israeli governments, particularly the coming one

878
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: that is discussing annexation, bolstering settlements and suppressing Palestinian rights.

879
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 1: He said, the notion is strengthening among the young generation

880
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 1: that Israel only understands force and opposition. It doesn't matter

881
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: whether national resistance is violent or not, which is why

882
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: there's growing support for armed groups in Jenin and Nablus.

883
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: Baruti said that Israel's prevention of a two state solution

884
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: will eventually make the Palestinian authority irrelevant. He said the

885
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: PA's current model as a type of subcontractor for Israel,

886
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: which implements apartheid against the Palestinians, cannot go on forever,

887
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: regardless of who runs the PA. On the flip side,

888
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: Israel's longtime leader Benjamin and Yahoo is back as prime ministers,

889
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: a prise surprise, with a far right coalition that has

890
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: laid out a plan for deepening its grip on the

891
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: West Bank and taking tougher action against Palestinians. And with

892
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,959
Speaker 1: only a couple months in office in this new year,

893
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: the government has already sparked a series of controversies, including

894
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: over the status of the Uximosque in Jerusalem. The Uximosque

895
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: is a very holy and special place for Muslims, and

896
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: it has been subject to violence for years because of

897
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: Israel's government. More far right politicians have also come into office,

898
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: including the National Security minister we mentioned earlier, who essentially

899
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: wants to give Israeli police and soldiers immunity to use

900
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: live ammunition, which would shield them from criminal prosecution for

901
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: killing and injuring Palestinians. Israel's also planning to destroy an

902
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: entire Palestinian town, beginning their plans last month. Khan Alhamad

903
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: is a town just miles from Jerusalem with nearly two

904
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: hundred Palestinians. Israel is planning to destroy the entire town

905
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: in order to expand two illegal, racially segregated settlements nearby.

906
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: Israel plans to bulldoze all the homes, schools, and businesses

907
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: in Khan Hmad, forcing families into homeless. It's a process

908
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: they've done in countless Palestinian towns. Kahn Rahma is simply

909
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: Israel's latest target. Just miles away from this town, Israel

910
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: is destroying the Palestinian community of Masafiriata, where over a

911
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: thousand Palestinians are living in fear that Israeli soldiers will

912
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: violently tear down their homes at any given moment. No

913
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: government should be allowed to forcibly uproot entire communities in

914
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: order to steal their land. Israel should be no exception,

915
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: and the fact that it continues to operate in this

916
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: way as the entire world watches is it's shameful. Israeli

917
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: officials are already prepping for a tense month in April

918
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: when Ramadan and Passover coincide, which could be a combustible

919
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: mix for potential religious and nationalists fueled violence. The Israeli

920
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: military is inflicting horrific, deadly violence and Palestinians every single day.

921
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: Instead of condemning Israel or take any kind of action

922
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: to protect Palestinian lives, the US continues to turn a

923
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: blind eye while also continuing to send Israel billions of

924
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: dollars every year. These billions of dollars are used to

925
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: commit massacres of Palestinians. The world should bring to account

926
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: to the Israeli government, which has encouraged violence against Palestinians publicly,

927
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: and supportive settlers with arms and money to carry out

928
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: their crimes. The Israeli government just legalized nine illegal settlement outposts.

929
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: If the international community, including the US, does not criminalize

930
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: settlement activities in the West Bank, Israeli settlers, who in

931
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: recent years have leaned towards the far right in alarming ways,

932
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: will continue to enjoy impunity when they commit crimes against

933
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: the Palestinian people and Israel's brutal occupation shows no sign

934
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: of ending, so will continue to hear news like this

935
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: until any sort of action is taken to defend Palestinians

936
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: and end Israel's apartheid rule of Palestine and end the

937
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,959
Speaker 1: ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people. Until then, we won't

938
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: stop raising awareness of the crimes against humanity that Israel

939
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: commits against Palestinians every single day. And that is the episode.

940
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: Who I hope some of that was informative or educational,

941
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: and I will probably be back with more upsetting news

942
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: about the Middle East very soon. So goodbye, dearly beloved,

943
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: Welcome to it could happen here. We are gathered here

944
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: today to get through this thing called life. Electric word life.

945
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: It's a thing that only happens with the addition of

946
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: a couple of ingredients, and one of those ingredients is

947
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: the subject of our episode today. Oh yeah, you guys

948
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: like that? Everybody really happy with that? I love that. Yeah,

949
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm feeling not at all like I want to kind

950
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: of shower. You can you can you can hear the

951
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: moment where we're all like simultaneously questioning every single decision

952
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: we've ever made in our entire lives. Yeah, now we're

953
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: all bonded together. So how's everybody doing today. We've got

954
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: mea Wong, Garrison Davis, James Stout, and I should let

955
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: people know I wasn't joking about the come thingum. So

956
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: those of you who are two online will know this.

957
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: Those of you who are not online enough, this is

958
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: one of the online things that you will want to

959
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: know because it's very funny. And the gist of it

960
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: is that like four days ago, doctor Jordan B. Peterson

961
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: got sent a link to a Twitter account that is

962
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: that purports to be spreading like hidden news about the

963
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: evils of the Chinese communist regime, and they put out

964
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: a video that was a segment from British Milking fetish

965
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: pornography video. Now, if you're not aware the milking, as

966
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: far as I can tell, I believe they're kind of

967
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: descended from the long lineage of like rubber fetishists, right,

968
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: and there's like a lot of medical fetish stuff it

969
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: tied into it. But the idea is that men are

970
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: entirely wrapped up on hospital gurneys and giant pump sucked

971
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: the semen out of them. So it's like the machine

972
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: is very like a cow milk. This Twitter account put

973
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: this up, claiming that it was the Chinese government stealing

974
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: the semen of young men, and Jordan Peterson shared it,

975
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: saying it was an unbelievable act of evil and then

976
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: everyone had the best day of their lives. And an

977
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: hour of two later he deleted it. Now I have

978
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: been continuing, coward, coward, coward. Yeah, so strange, so stranger.

979
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: He left the world of peer reviewed academia. Yeah, it's

980
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: it's wild that he's no longer professor. Um, it's very funny.

981
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: We're continuing to give him shit for it online, but

982
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: it set us off down an interesting road, and because

983
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: some other stuff fell through, we're going to talk about

984
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: the wide world of weird right wing come conspiracies. Most

985
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: of them released are going to be right wing. There's

986
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: a surprising number of semen based conspiracies. Everybody did research

987
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: on their own special thing. I wanted to start by

988
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: talking about this this Jordan Peterson video and giving kind

989
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: of some of the some of the background on it,

990
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: so I believe it. Last July, the Chinese Human Sperm

991
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: Bank of Shanghai announced that it was hosting a competition

992
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: for college students to find out whose semen was the

993
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 1: best in terms of, like, you know, a number of

994
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 1: modal sperm per milli leader, I think is the way

995
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: that they judge it. And basically the idea was that

996
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: they were trying to find like people with sperm concentration

997
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: greater than sixty million per milli leader, and if they

998
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: visited a sperm bank a set number of times in

999
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: a six month period, they could receive a prize that

1000
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: was equivalent to about twelve hundred dollars right now. The

1001
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: reason this is happening is that China, for the first time,

1002
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: as a result of a number of different policies, had

1003
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: negative population growth very recently, and this is the thing

1004
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: that can cause a problem for a country for a

1005
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,959
Speaker 1: variety of reasons. So the government is trying to shore

1006
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: up birthrates, and there are a lot of couples in

1007
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: China that have had issues conceiving, and so there's a

1008
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 1: huge amount of demand for sperm in the country right now.

1009
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: So this is not a weird story. It is actually

1010
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: a thing that happens all around the world regularly. But

1011
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: right around the time that this happened, a little bit

1012
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: after that, it came out that a Japanese company started

1013
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: selling what is called in the articles I found an

1014
01:03:51,560 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: automatic sperm extractor to Chinese sperm banks. Now this is

1015
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send y'all the link. I was hoping you

1016
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: would oh, oh, yes, good friends, thanks, but yes, we're

1017
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: all going to see this. So the Machines price listing

1018
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: on Ali Baba, where it sells for about five to

1019
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: six thousand dollars, describes it as a device that quote

1020
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: merges modern digital technology, automatic control technology, and simulation technologies

1021
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:27,919
Speaker 1: with semen collection and premature ejaculation desensitization training function. So

1022
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: it has a number of purposes, including guests to help

1023
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: guys stop coming too early, which no shame. It's funny

1024
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,919
Speaker 1: that someone built a machine for it. It's extremely funny

1025
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: I that you can buy an Ali Express. It's like

1026
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: I personally, I'm not attaching anything. I bought an Ali

1027
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: Baba too sensitive parts to my body's thousand dollars. It's

1028
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,439
Speaker 1: not cheap. Now the primary these are not being used

1029
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: for people who are coming to too quickly. Um, it's

1030
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: just like the worst ever were two D two. This

1031
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: it is. It is weird. It's see orientation. Does it

1032
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,479
Speaker 1: stand on the ground and you just approach it. You

1033
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: have to stand up. Yeah, but what if you're a

1034
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: shock king, Yeah, I said, I'm sure they have options.

1035
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: It has like the rough shape of like canteld massage device,

1036
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 1: but it's kind of like formed like almost an art

1037
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: deco robot vagina. And basically, from what I've read, kind

1038
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: of the reasoning is that, like, hey, we need people

1039
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: to donate sperm. Some people feel weird about just masturbating

1040
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: in a clinic, and we hope this is a more

1041
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: pleasant experience for them. So again this we're laughing because like, look,

1042
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: a machine designed to capture seamen is kind of a

1043
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: funny thing. That's okay, no shame on anybody for that.

1044
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: But the fact that you have both the government trying

1045
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: to encourage people to donate sperm and this weird machine

1046
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: kind of created fertile ground for a bunch of right

1047
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: wing weirdos to start making grounded I know, fertile ground

1048
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: tom to make the completely un ungrounded claim that like

1049
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: the government was trying to steal people seemen, right, And

1050
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: that is the basis of doctor Jordan B. Peterson's fun

1051
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: little freak out on the internet. And I will say

1052
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: you should try to find the videos of the automatic

1053
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: sperm extractor. This this amazing Japanese machine, because it is funny, fascinating.

1054
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: We should change some of these on the cool Stone account.

1055
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: Do they have to like like like change like I

1056
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: assume they like to. Ye, yeah, you can't clean that.

1057
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: If you watch the video, there's like a there's a

1058
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: rubbiot that like comes out, like the thing that the

1059
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: penis goes in is also the captured device, so it

1060
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: is removed with the sperm donation when you take it out. Um.

1061
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: So again this is, you know, funny because come, but

1062
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: there's nothing sinister here. It's just in the same way

1063
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: that literally everything is. People have like spun it up

1064
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: into a nonsense thing. But because of this beautiful, beautiful story,

1065
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: which I hope we've all gotten to enjoy, I got

1066
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: to do a lot of work on the some of you,

1067
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: if you've lived, if you've worked in agriculture, you're not

1068
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: going to be surprised that stealing come is a massive industry,

1069
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: like it is a there is a lot of money

1070
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: to be made in stealing semen. There's enough money to

1071
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: be made in stealing semen that there are two different

1072
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: official terms that I have found for semen theft. The

1073
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: first is sperm jacking. How could it get better? How

1074
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: could it get better than that? Garrison? It gets better

1075
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 1: because the second, the second is spurgling. These are like

1076
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: professionals who like come up with these terms. Huh, these

1077
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: are genius. There actually is. I did find in my

1078
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: research there is one actual Chinese based sperm conspiracy. It's

1079
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: just not a very sinister one. There's this Chinese businessman,

1080
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: Jesse Jabbai zoo Um who stole there. There's this I

1081
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:03,919
Speaker 1: think it was a Canadian company. It was a US

1082
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: company who had So this is for like bull semen.

1083
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: And one of the things that you want for bull

1084
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: semen is you don't want if you're inseminating cows, you

1085
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: want all of the babies to be female generally, right,

1086
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: because bulls are not very with outside a certain space.

1087
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: If you're like trying to make more breeders or whatever,

1088
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: if you're in industrial agriculture, you don't want any of

1089
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: the boys, right. You just want to keep making those sweet,

1090
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 1: sweet lady cows that that are, you know, more useful

1091
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 1: to you in a financial sense. So there's a US

1092
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 1: company that developed a method of before insemination looking through

1093
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: the sperm and like sorting out the sperm that will

1094
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: make female cows um and that is apparently hard to do.

1095
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like it would be hard to do, right,

1096
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: And this, uh, this Chinese businessman was like reverse engineering there.

1097
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: It's kind of Actually it's basically the same story as

1098
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: Jurassic Park. And anyway, this guy has gotten sued for

1099
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of money a raptor cattle. I hope it

1100
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 1: works out just as well as Jurassic Park. Yeah, it's

1101
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: very funny. I will say. There's a couple of really

1102
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 1: wild lines from this the CBC story I found. I'm

1103
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: just going to read one to you. Um Zoo's activities

1104
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 1: could best be described as machiavellian. At various points he

1105
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: outlined a plan to make X Y that's the American

1106
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 1: company quote feel all the time, the sort of damocles

1107
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: is on their heads and brag the law is strong,

1108
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: but the outlaws are ten times stronger. Yeah. Jesse Jabezoo

1109
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: my hero, the sperm Bandit incredible sperm jacker, one of

1110
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: the best burglers in the business. This man lives on

1111
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: an island with his cow raptors. What a hero. Um

1112
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: there was also a case of a Japanese man who

1113
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: illegally took wag you cattle sperm to China to try

1114
01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:00,839
Speaker 1: to give them sperm, and like the Chinese government immediately

1115
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,799
Speaker 1: caught him and was like, no, this is actually incredibly dangerous,

1116
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: Like you're not allowed to just take animal breeding material

1117
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: into the country without because you know, there's a wide

1118
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: variety of reasons that that could be in horribly So

1119
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 1: he got into shipload of trouble. Yeah, anyway, that's my

1120
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: that's my sperm stories. Everybody, thank you for yeah, thank you,

1121
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: thank you for spurgling my knowledge. Garrison. Ah, we're back

1122
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 1: and James is here to talk to us about the

1123
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: kind of sperm jacking that you do when you don't jack.

1124
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: I'm talking about jacking your own sperm by keeping it

1125
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: inside of you seem in retention. Yeah, it's it. How

1126
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: was that, James, beautiful? Unscripted? Did you just didn't even

1127
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: write that a Garrison? Yeah, so on the back of

1128
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 1: his hand. He had a brainwave at two in the

1129
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 1: morning and I got that down. Those are the kind

1130
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 1: of things you can do when you've been podcasting as

1131
01:10:55,680 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 1: long as I in a come space. I've been in

1132
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: those saggy trenches for a long time. Yeah, all right,

1133
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,719
Speaker 1: we are after all, it works, so let me continue.

1134
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:12,600
Speaker 1: So I'm going to talk about what happens when you

1135
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 1: keep your comb inside you. Okay, yeah, this is the thing.

1136
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: What are we doing today? What this is? This is

1137
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 1: critical journalist. We are making content doing Okay, talking of content,

1138
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 1: let's talk about the content of some Reddit posters. So

1139
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 1: the what it's called the semen retention movement, and this

1140
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: will this will shock many of you began on reddit

1141
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 1: dot com. Oh my god, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,

1142
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 1: like so many ones. I feel like, I feel like

1143
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 1: because I feel like if you type that into your phone,

1144
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 1: it would have finished the sentence the same autodirect What

1145
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 1: is the auto directed to Reddit? I would believe me.

1146
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 1: We're gonna go there, Garrison, because when you google sperm retention,

1147
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: you do indeed find some stuff on Reddit. So now

1148
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 1: they've spun off from Reddit, right then I have their

1149
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 1: own organization, which is No Fat dot com and No

1150
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,719
Speaker 1: fact dot com is a community centered sexual health platform.

1151
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm using, I'm allowing them to define themselves here,

1152
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: I guess designed to help people overcome poorn addiction and

1153
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 1: compulsive sexual behavior, which is not necessarily really like like

1154
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: the this isn't not all seamen retention, as we're going

1155
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: to learn, is basically helping people I become addiction to

1156
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: pawn but so far as that is a thing that

1157
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 1: people actually have. And if someone was accusing Rabbit of

1158
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: being addicted to pawn on on his timeline this weekend,

1159
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: that would be because I keep Ratio and Jordan Peterson

1160
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: with the pornography video that he mistaking. That's correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1161
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 1: I just want them to respond, so I could ask him, Jordan,

1162
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 1: tell me in your own words, what you thought was

1163
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: happening in that video. I really hope he thinks it's

1164
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: like milking, Like they have RFID collars and they get

1165
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: fed based on their production level. That would be great. Yeah,

1166
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 1: And what did you you you're a medical doctor, did

1167
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 1: you think that come actually worked that way and you

1168
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: could just stick a sucker anyway? Yeah, just get it out, Okay. So,

1169
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 1: after this movement began on Ready dot com, it quickly

1170
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 1: pivoted to kind of offering all kinds of weird physical

1171
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:37,440
Speaker 1: and mental health benefits, and that's where it was adopted

1172
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: by friends in the podcast the Proud Boys, and luckily

1173
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: we do have a bit of insight into why and

1174
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 1: into the exact nature of the no fat fascism that

1175
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 1: the Proud Boys practice. Sanks to Kyle Cheney, who's a

1176
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 1: political reporter who was reporting on the trial of one

1177
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: of the Proud Boys accused of additional January six called

1178
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: Zach Rell and that trial for reasons that I'm not

1179
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 1: exactly clear on the Proud Boy I guess it's like

1180
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:05,640
Speaker 1: their handbook, like that the kind of a Proud Boy

1181
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: bybe was introduced and into the into the record. Somebody's

1182
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: in there. Yep, it's in the court record, buddy, because

1183
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: because what the lawyers decided that it was pertinent to

1184
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,719
Speaker 1: the cause. So a Proud Boy may not ejaculate alone

1185
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: more than once in every thirty days. That means he

1186
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 1: must abstain from portography during that time. And if he

1187
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 1: needs to ejaculate, this is really weird, it must be

1188
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: within one yard of a woman. Fascinatingly specific. Yeah, yeah, right,

1189
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 1: And I like that they've they've gone with imperial measurements

1190
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: with her consent, so that's nice. The woman may not

1191
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: be a prostitute, so that that's the Proud poison nature.

1192
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 1: They know FA fascism. But I think I think the

1193
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 1: way of of understanding why some people practice this perhaps

1194
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: best is to is to go on to reddit dot com.

1195
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 1: So I found a post by Reddit user you slash

1196
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: Monk one nine one eight one seven. It seems like

1197
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 1: a nice guy and there are four votes. What I

1198
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 1: did was I went to semen retention and I looked

1199
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:09,680
Speaker 1: at you know, sorted by popular posts, found this one

1200
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: from a bunch of numbers. And so this guy has

1201
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: nine years of experience with semen retention. So I'm just

1202
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 1: going to read I'm presuming it. Boy, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1203
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 1: him and some mugs off the coast of fucking lind

1204
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 1: Spark cannot be healthy. No, I don't think it is.

1205
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: There is I will get to this evidence that you

1206
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: shouldn't do this. So in his nine years of experience,

1207
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 1: he has experienced the following things. Semen, when retained in

1208
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: our bodies, has healing, rejuvenating effects. Loss of semen has

1209
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 1: the opposite effects. This may not be scientifically proven, but

1210
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: it's proven by experience. That's a red flag. That's interesting.

1211
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,799
Speaker 1: Getting Reddit medical advice while attempting any task. It demands

1212
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,759
Speaker 1: high physical, mental or intellectual abilities. If we are semen

1213
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: tension powered, we would actually enjoy the task, which would

1214
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: otherwise seem dull. This is called sexual energy transmutation in

1215
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 1: layman's terms. Oh no, that's the layman's the what's the

1216
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 1: non layman terms? It's got even more. I have no

1217
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: idea spermozoic fucking fission. So for peak performance, it's always

1218
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 1: necessary to be powered by seamen, and it would be

1219
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,719
Speaker 1: best to use seamen only for regeneration purposes, since nature

1220
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: originally intended it for regeneration, and not use it for

1221
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 1: sexual purposes apart from to create a child. If not

1222
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 1: serving that purpose, Master whatever teach techniques are useful in

1223
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: not letting the seed out while having sex. At the

1224
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 1: end of the day, don't let your seed out like

1225
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: a worthless thing. There's more so, just contain yourself great great,

1226
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 1: which is exactly the reason why core religions are based

1227
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 1: on celibacy, because opposite of regeneration is degeneration, which will

1228
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: cause a man to fall into a lower state controlled

1229
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: by his lower nature, rather than when he's subduing it.

1230
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: We should let seem in retention be part of our lives,

1231
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: not something that is done for superpowers. For superpowers are,

1232
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 1: in my experience, the sudden ecstasy that we feel once

1233
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: we transition from the degenerated to the regenerated state, and

1234
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 1: that will stabilize after some time, similar to how a

1235
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:23,640
Speaker 1: flight maintained stable altitude after takeoff. Very simple, very similar. Actually, yeah,

1236
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,640
Speaker 1: that's that's what you can hear when the when the

1237
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 1: engine a spinning up. If just a dude trying really

1238
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 1: hard not to nut and it makes that noise. So

1239
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 1: excited for the next Marvel film, the where the superhero

1240
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 1: power from Paul Rods and not come so he can

1241
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 1: get tiny no fat man. Yeah so yeah he didn't.

1242
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 1: I should add that this person confess us to having

1243
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: elapsed at some point in the nine years. Yeah, it

1244
01:17:53,720 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: stole Armstrong was on steroids. It's just disappointing. Yeah, no

1245
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:03,719
Speaker 1: one would have seen it coming. See what I did there. Okay,

1246
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:07,679
Speaker 1: So this person then urges other posters on the Sema

1247
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 1: Retention subredit to not use streaks to outperform others or

1248
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: look better about ourselves or bring others down. The battle

1249
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 1: with lust is a lifelong fight, and the more we

1250
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: get better at finding victories, Yeah, yeah, buddy, at finding

1251
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: victories over internal battles. The battle, we become as high

1252
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 1: valued men. Hell yeah, I've often wished that, you know,

1253
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: if the if the pandemic hadn't been a thing, and

1254
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: I could force you all to work in a central location,

1255
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 1: I could have like a wall of murals where I

1256
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: put under each of your faces a quote from an

1257
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 1: episode that you've participated in, and James that that would

1258
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 1: be your quotes. The battles lust is a lifelong struggle. Yeah,

1259
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 1: that'll get some T shirts knocked up, but we can

1260
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 1: do a fundraise. We eventually get the cools on media offices.

1261
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: But you have a portrait hanging on the wall of

1262
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: each of us have one quote under the yeah yeah

1263
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 1: yeah on a plaque with a yeah. We get the

1264
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:08,679
Speaker 1: cool when we when we take over the meta officers

1265
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 1: three weeks from now. Yeah, there is a marketing company

1266
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 1: that has been emailing me for about six months telling

1267
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: me how cheap it is to buy a billboard by

1268
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 1: the side of a road and send a message to

1269
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 1: a loved one. So maybe great, maybe I'll do bang

1270
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,679
Speaker 1: rang yeah yeah yeah, yeah, Well there will be until

1271
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: I put my positive messages about the controlling lust and

1272
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:37,600
Speaker 1: holding seamen inside our bodies true and return ment to

1273
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 1: the former glory. So a lot of the a lot

1274
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 1: of the reddit posts rely on a couple of different studies, right,

1275
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 1: and one of these studies measured participants. A lot of

1276
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: what they're doing is a claiming to increase testosterone right

1277
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 1: right at the bat. The testosterone does have, as Long's

1278
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 1: armstrong can tell you some performance enhancing benefits, so yeah,

1279
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:01,480
Speaker 1: you know, increasing your muscle growth, your your coverage from exercise,

1280
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: all those stuff. One of the studies measured participants testosterone

1281
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 1: levels at baseline before masturbation and then in ten minute

1282
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: intervals after masturbation, right, and then they were asked to

1283
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: abstain for three weeks, and they came back and they

1284
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,560
Speaker 1: did the process again. Testosterone was higher in the baseline

1285
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 1: measurement at the end of the three weeks of abstinence, right,

1286
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 1: But the sample size was pretty small, and there's some

1287
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 1: theorizing that the boost was actually caused by the anticipated

1288
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 1: masturbation that they were about to do. At the second

1289
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 1: it was so ready to go, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're

1290
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 1: just ready to pop. After three weeks, the second study

1291
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 1: looked at a forty five percent entury, So after a

1292
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 1: few days seven days of abstinence, but even the study

1293
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 1: showed this was a temporary peak that returned to normal

1294
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 1: even with continuing abstinence. So there's there's just these two studies.

1295
01:20:55,320 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: They're pretty they happened a long time ago. Will post

1296
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 1: them all in the show notes if you guys want

1297
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 1: to read more about no fab science. But we should

1298
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:06,839
Speaker 1: just point out that there is in fact a multitude

1299
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 1: of evidence this is a bad idea that having sex

1300
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 1: is actually good for you. Having sex will will trying

1301
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: not to ejaculate. It's probably not good for you, probably

1302
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 1: not good for your your relationship either. One would surmise

1303
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 1: there are in that whatever yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Well

1304
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 1: if that's your thing, you do you do you. There

1305
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,839
Speaker 1: was a study that investigated the motivation for semen retention

1306
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: among semen and retainers, and a lot of it it

1307
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 1: seemed like people were people who felt that like either

1308
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 1: sex or masturbation was unhealthy or wrong or sinful. And

1309
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: there is evidence to show that like feeling like guilty

1310
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 1: about yourself or like living with stress and self loathing,

1311
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 1: like that is bad for you, right, and that will

1312
01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 1: reduce your test aftera level. There's also some evidence to

1313
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 1: suggest not ejaculating can give you prostate issues, which yes,

1314
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 1: um yeah, there's there's and this is like pretty debatable,

1315
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 1: like most things that people talk about in regards to

1316
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 1: coming and health, Like you can find some studies, like

1317
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 1: the studies on testosterone. Some of them are kind of sketchy. Anyway. Yeah,

1318
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 1: I don't think come or come either way. Um, you know,

1319
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 1: it's whatever. But if you do have a chance to

1320
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 1: fuck one of those Ali Baba robots, I recommend it out.

1321
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 1: Let's talk about come demons. Hell yeah, wait, okay, okay,

1322
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 1: hard hard pivot here from so okay, we we we

1323
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 1: are not going as far afield from the no fat

1324
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 1: people as as as as you would think. Okay, but

1325
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 1: all right, now, the year is twenty twenty. Everyone on

1326
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 1: Earth has collectively gone insane. Uh this is this is

1327
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 1: this is the summer. This is the summer twenty twenty.

1328
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: So this is the part of twenty twenty where fun

1329
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: stuff is happening. This is like late July, Garrison, that's

1330
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:13,759
Speaker 1: when we met. So yeah, we're getting just incredibly poisoned. Yeah, yeah,

1331
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: we share were it would be fun in like twenty years. Well, well,

1332
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 1: while life or death struggle for the sort of the

1333
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 1: life or death struggle for the fate of the United

1334
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 1: States and whether or not people are going to be

1335
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,879
Speaker 1: conducing murdered by the cops is being waged in the streets. Uh,

1336
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and Donald J. Trump Ronald Donald J. Trump. Wow,

1337
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: Donald Trump Junior. That one. That's that's that's the Trump

1338
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 1: A little drum here, Yeah, Trump Acts. We're you know,

1339
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 1: looking for look at looking for their there they're they're

1340
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: cure to COVID nineteen on Twitter. And Okay, so as

1341
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 1: we probably all remember, right, I think they found was hydroxy. Okay,

1342
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 1: so one of the first ones that they found before

1343
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 1: before I remact the this is this is before we

1344
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 1: found so much? Was it inside of them all along? Man? No?

1345
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 1: This is this is this is hydroxy florican the thing

1346
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 1: that was probable. I hope they weren't full of acord. No. No,

1347
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: well we'll get to that. Where there there's a The

1348
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 1: road is long, but it ends with cum demons. We

1349
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 1: first must walk the road. So the road here is

1350
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: Donald Donald Trump Junior post a tweet saying like this,

1351
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 1: saying this is necessary watching about this video from this

1352
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:31,560
Speaker 1: doctor named doctor Stella Emanue. Now, okay, so who is

1353
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 1: this person. Um she she is part of a oh okay,

1354
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: I say part of she runs this thing called Firepower Ministries,

1355
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 1: which oh no, so you don't know, going great. Um

1356
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 1: she's also part of yeah, okay, cool, Yeah she she's

1357
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:55,520
Speaker 1: also part of America's frontline doctors who are yeah, yeah, yeah,

1358
01:24:55,560 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: I forgotten. Yeah, these dipshits, Oh my god. Okay, So

1359
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 1: this is this is very very very much in the

1360
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 1: same vein as architecture nine eleventh truth. They found a

1361
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 1: bunch of people who technically have medical degrees or like

1362
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:13,640
Speaker 1: nurses who were like no, no, vaccines are bad and

1363
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 1: hydroxy chloric clean hydroctic chor clean is well, we'll chlorical

1364
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 1: covid cor qu that one. Yeah, it's it's it's been.

1365
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 1: It's been. It's been a long day. I I've slept

1366
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 1: for eight hours, but in like several distinct parts of

1367
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 1: the day that we're not continuous. It's been. Things are going,

1368
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:34,719
Speaker 1: things are going corect. If you've taken some horse medicine fisk,

1369
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: quite possibly, I mean it's it's all like you could

1370
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 1: have gone worse. All all right, So so this this

1371
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 1: person's from the very sketchy doctors who are trying to

1372
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:49,600
Speaker 1: sell like a bunch of random shit to to to

1373
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 1: cure COVID. And okay, so who actually is this person? Um?

1374
01:25:55,360 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 1: She is from Camera Roon and doctor Stella. An Emanuey

1375
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:06,640
Speaker 1: was caught up in the unbelievably sort of like i

1376
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 1: mean right, like yes, objectively right wing, also very very

1377
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:15,719
Speaker 1: weird wave of Pentecostalism and charismatic Christianity that's been sweeping

1378
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:17,720
Speaker 1: across that part of Africa as part of sort of

1379
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 1: a you know, sort of like a very sort of

1380
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 1: long range of coordinated effort by by right wing Christian missionaries.

1381
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 1: So okay, so for for for people who don't know

1382
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 1: your Christianity very well, the Pentecostals and the charismatic Christians

1383
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:38,560
Speaker 1: are like firmly in the very very weird camp of Christians.

1384
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 1: Like these are these are people who do faith healing. Um.

1385
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 1: One of the very common sort of Pentecostal things is

1386
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 1: this belief that like like you just you talk to God,

1387
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: like God's in your head and you just have conversations

1388
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 1: with Him. Now unfortunately for like all of us, and

1389
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:53,640
Speaker 1: this is you know what a thing that is a

1390
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:56,680
Speaker 1: non insignificant contributing factor to why the last I don't know,

1391
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 1: ten years have been so bat shit? Is that? Like

1392
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 1: the this originally was kind of an isolated Pentecostal thing

1393
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 1: and like the broader evangelicals were like no, no, no no,

1394
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 1: God only talks to me like your pastor, Like he's

1395
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,440
Speaker 1: probably not like you're you're not like having a conversation

1396
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 1: in your head with but like change that's changed. Yeah,

1397
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 1: this ship has this ship has fucking taken over everywhere.

1398
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:21,559
Speaker 1: It's really bad. Um. And these people believe a lot

1399
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 1: of very very weird stuff. So well do I mean? Okay, so,

1400
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 1: like you know, she she has like some of the

1401
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: sort of standard like really really hardline like David Ike shit,

1402
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 1: Like she believes that the world's being run by aliens

1403
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:39,879
Speaker 1: and like reptiles, and like the vaccine has like alien

1404
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 1: DNA in it to like take over your dude. You know.

1405
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 1: This is like sort of kind of Facebook moments Alex Jones. Shit,

1406
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,639
Speaker 1: yeah right, okay, but okay, I'm gonna read this quote

1407
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,640
Speaker 1: from will Sumner. This is a quote from one of

1408
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 1: her for her sermons, they which is, demons are responsible

1409
01:27:56,240 --> 01:28:00,120
Speaker 1: for serious guy in ecological problems, and Manuel said we

1410
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:03,640
Speaker 1: call them all kinds of names and Tremesius and Travisius.

1411
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 1: We call them molar pregnancies, we call them fibroids, we

1412
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 1: call them cysts. But most of them were evil deposits

1413
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: from spirit husband God. No, they are responsible for miscarriages, impotence,

1414
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:23,679
Speaker 1: men that can't get it up. So all right, immediately

1415
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 1: we we have like we have there there are several

1416
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 1: kinds of cum demons here that we're dealing with. So

1417
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 1: there are like there, there's, there's, there's okay. So a

1418
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 1: lot of this is drawn from what is I a

1419
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 1: very like a JT. Whitely unbelievably dubious piece of theology.

1420
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 1: So when when when I was res musician, this right,

1421
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 1: I saw, I saw, I saw someone there there was

1422
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 1: there was like a religious scholar who was writing this.

1423
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, I immediately recognized the theology of this.

1424
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 1: This is from this is from a Genesis six so okay.

1425
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, what what the fuck are

1426
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 1: they talking about? So I went back and I read

1427
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,799
Speaker 1: genis Okay. So I went back and I read the Genesis,

1428
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 1: and I'm going to read the two this is this

1429
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 1: is from Genesis chapter six, verses one and two, and

1430
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 1: I am just going to read these two sentences, and

1431
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:10,639
Speaker 1: I'm going to see if you two can produce cum

1432
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 1: demons from this, Okay, happy to do so. I mean

1433
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: I could produce cum demons from almost in anything that is.

1434
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 1: That is the power with the right machinery. You know what.

1435
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:27,679
Speaker 1: I think we know exactly what the right machinery is. Look,

1436
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 1: we know that we can produce cum demons mechanically. Our

1437
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 1: challenge here is to produce them theologically. Okay, try I will,

1438
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 1: I will use all of my knowledge. We must, we

1439
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 1: must find a way to evacuate the past deference of

1440
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: the soul. Okay. So I'm using I'm using the King

1441
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 1: James translation, because that's the translation that all these psychos use,

1442
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 1: And it came to pass when men began to multiply

1443
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 1: on the face of the earth and daughters were born

1444
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:59,719
Speaker 1: onto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters

1445
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 1: of and that they were fair, and they took them

1446
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 1: wives of all which they chose. Okay, So I I

1447
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: do know why they're I do know what what they

1448
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: are doing. So the sons of God those would be

1449
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:15,800
Speaker 1: what like fallen angels that have been procreating with women. Yeah,

1450
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 1: so this this ties into like the book of Enoch stuff,

1451
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 1: which was made a little bit like after Genesis, but

1452
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 1: it kind of it like retconned a lot of like

1453
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 1: the creation story. So I can see where they're they're

1454
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 1: pulling come demons from, but it is it is a

1455
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 1: bit of a stretch. Yeah, they're kind you could say,

1456
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 1: come demons in the way that like God seemed. Yeah,

1457
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:40,759
Speaker 1: you could see it. Yeah, it's that's it is a stretch. No, okay,

1458
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 1: my my, my, my analysis because I think I I

1459
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 1: I think they're pulling this out of their ass and

1460
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:50,759
Speaker 1: I think they're pulling this out of theirs. It's also

1461
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:55,640
Speaker 1: come demons. So yeah, they're like I I I I

1462
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,840
Speaker 1: have It is well known for people who follow me

1463
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 1: on Twitter that I have an immense in powerful disrespect

1464
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 1: for theology. But what what what part of the sons

1465
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 1: of God? What? What? What part of that gets you

1466
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 1: to demons? And not? Like because again, isn't the whole

1467
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 1: point of Christianity that we are all God's children? Like,

1468
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 1: isn't is this not a thing that they tell you

1469
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 1: in every single fucking sort How do you read that

1470
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:24,679
Speaker 1: and not think they're talking about people and immediately jump

1471
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 1: to come deemon? Like here's what's going on? I could

1472
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 1: I could explain this because this is the King's James version.

1473
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 1: So this was made in a post book of Enoch world.

1474
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 1: Around the around the alleged birth of Jesus, the Book

1475
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,919
Speaker 1: of Enoch got very popular, um and this this introduced

1476
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 1: the idea of a fallen angel. The fallow fallen angel

1477
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 1: isn't really in the Bible at all, it's only it's

1478
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 1: only in like non biblical um Abrahamic texts. So this

1479
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,680
Speaker 1: this idea then kind of got planted into a lot

1480
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: of like Catholic mythology as well. So when they're they're

1481
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,559
Speaker 1: caused there they have a distinction between like the like

1482
01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 1: the sons of like the sons of God versus is

1483
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 1: um what was the what was? I think they used

1484
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:05,639
Speaker 1: to refer to the daughters the sons of the daughters

1485
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 1: of men exactly. So the daughters are human, where the

1486
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 1: the the sons are like came from God. So that

1487
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 1: is some type of fallen angel that has been cast

1488
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 1: down to earth. Like they are doing a specific thing.

1489
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:21,679
Speaker 1: But it's it's it's it's a result of a whole

1490
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 1: bunch of like mistranslations and a whole bunch of various

1491
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 1: various like christian a Gnostic texts that that have been

1492
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 1: misinterpreted for thousands of years by the Catholic Church, and

1493
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:33,400
Speaker 1: it creates a really weird theology that is indistinguishable from

1494
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 1: like Castle of India. So yeah, I blame I blamed

1495
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 1: Martin lud This is Martin Luther's fault, like the like

1496
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 1: there's things the thing would keep it in high latins

1497
01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 1: can't understand this. This is this is, this is what

1498
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 1: Martin Luther. I'm specifically because okay, so this was already happened.

1499
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 1: The count the Church was already doing this right, but

1500
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 1: Martin Luther had a chance to fix this ship and

1501
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 1: he was like, do you know what I'm gonna do?

1502
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 1: Instead of that, I am going to you, I am

1503
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 1: going to turn against the peasant revolts and I'm going

1504
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:04,880
Speaker 1: to do it. I'm going to bring about a level

1505
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 1: of anti Semitism that is going to allow me to

1506
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 1: outflank the Inquisition on the right. She could have been

1507
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:16,840
Speaker 1: fixing this bullshit. No anti semitism. Whoo, I gotta keep

1508
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:20,639
Speaker 1: my patron lords in power. He was German like, there's

1509
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 1: only so much you can ask, that's true. Yeah, well

1510
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:26,360
Speaker 1: I'm happy that we can all go to sleep at

1511
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 1: night worrying about the sons of God and planting semen. Oh,

1512
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 1: there's also that that's that's come demon type type one, right,

1513
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 1: that is okay, so those are those are the demons

1514
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 1: that like they they have they have sex with women

1515
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 1: and they produce nephelim from or sometimes Also there's there's

1516
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 1: a lot of sort of conflicting sort of theological All

1517
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 1: that stuff comes from the Book of Enoch. All that

1518
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 1: stuff is non canon to the modern Bible, but it's

1519
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 1: where it's where it comes from. Fucking Council of Nicia. Okay.

1520
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:00,600
Speaker 1: But there's also there's also a second there's also the

1521
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 1: second kind of cum demon, right, which is these are

1522
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 1: the these are well, okay, so succubine and incubi are

1523
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:09,000
Speaker 1: based here we go. I knew it, I was down,

1524
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 1: it was counting down. Had faith. Yeah. The the other

1525
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:15,639
Speaker 1: kind of of demon. So you have your incubi, right,

1526
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 1: who are another type of sex demon. The incubi fuck

1527
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 1: men so they can steal their semen and they're they're

1528
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 1: there there, you know, there's such difference are reasons that

1529
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 1: there there's another thing that she talks about, which is

1530
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 1: that um, there are witches who have like actual spirit

1531
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:30,720
Speaker 1: sex with men in their sleep. And if you're like

1532
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 1: having a sex dream, it's because you're having actual spirit sex.

1533
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:37,160
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, yeah, I mean like I like Bill Murray,

1534
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:40,759
Speaker 1: I've I've experienced that. Oh no, that was Bill Murray. Sorry,

1535
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:47,320
Speaker 1: my mistake. Oh wait, understandable, Yes, okay, Okay, the cloud

1536
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:50,200
Speaker 1: the fog is clearing. I've I've had I've had sex

1537
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 1: with too many sex demons. It's it's a real issue. Okay.

1538
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 1: So so all right, So we have the sex demons

1539
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 1: who are like trying to pregnant you. We have the

1540
01:34:57,880 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 1: sex demans you're trying to steal your cump. We allo

1541
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 1: have the actually, we have the actual projecting projecting witches, right,

1542
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 1: and the actual projecting witches are trying to steal people's

1543
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 1: come as part of an Illuminati plot to create like

1544
01:35:08,439 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 1: an even more powerful witch. And the even more powerful

1545
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 1: witch is going to use gay marriage and children's toys

1546
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 1: to like destroy the fabric of Western civilization and thus

1547
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 1: bring about sort of general new world order, et cetera. Honestly,

1548
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:26,040
Speaker 1: some of my witch meetings, Yeah, it is not as

1549
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 1: far from the backstory to Warhammer forty thousand as it

1550
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 1: should be. That's very sadly true. I didn't want Warhammer

1551
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:38,560
Speaker 1: forty thousands coming to our come episode if I moneyed. No, no,

1552
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 1: it's I mean, look, there's a lot of people who

1553
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 1: are interested in both seem in Retention and Warhammer forty thousands.

1554
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 1: That's a tight venda ram yeah. Yeah, and they all

1555
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 1: play ultramarines. That was. That's pretty good Warhammer forty thousand

1556
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 1: joke for those of you who plays. I also learned

1557
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago that I one of the

1558
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:03,920
Speaker 1: many crimes of the Emperor of forty k was passing

1559
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 1: off and a Miri Bekara quote is his own. Oh yeah,

1560
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 1: that is. That was. That was a good bit. That

1561
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:13,280
Speaker 1: was a really good bit. It's little pieces like that

1562
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 1: that let you know that Dan Abnett's pretty base. That

1563
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:23,559
Speaker 1: was my favorite part of the book. So funny, that's like,

1564
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 1: that's literary cannon. I do have like three pages written

1565
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 1: on contest tanning. Okay, yeah, that's that's that's the end

1566
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:35,400
Speaker 1: of the sum go off. Well, okay. I The one

1567
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 1: thing I'll add on is that one of the more

1568
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 1: funny modern versions of these if you go on the

1569
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 1: Beta Drill subreddit to the Recreational Penetral subreddit, you can

1570
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 1: find people who try to take enough Beta drill to

1571
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 1: have sex with the hat Man, which is another another

1572
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:57,720
Speaker 1: form of trying to subve and shedow people. Maybe you

1573
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:00,679
Speaker 1: have to you have to explain your terms for people here. Yeah,

1574
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 1: I'm not. The man is a tall, thin man wearing

1575
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:08,200
Speaker 1: a hat who appears when you take hallucinogenic doses of

1576
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 1: Bena drill because you can't afford better drugs because you're seventeen. Yes,

1577
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:15,759
Speaker 1: we're younger, and there people the hat Man. Some people

1578
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:18,760
Speaker 1: find the hat Man extremely attractive or some of like

1579
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 1: the female Shadow People variants, and they try to they

1580
01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 1: have I have read multiple reports of people explaining their

1581
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 1: sexual experiences of the Shadow People. Anyways, the President of

1582
01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 1: the United States and his son were promoting this, so

1583
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:37,600
Speaker 1: this is great. This website. By the way, absolute adventures

1584
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:40,400
Speaker 1: on here. I'm just reading about how to use christ

1585
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:44,439
Speaker 1: blood as a weapon. Amazing. Oh that's good. Yeah, yeah,

1586
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:48,000
Speaker 1: no problems here. Yeah. Do you know who won't steal

1587
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 1: your semen? Everybody? We can't promise that. I can. I

1588
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:54,679
Speaker 1: can promise any advertiser on this show I've personally approved

1589
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:57,240
Speaker 1: to make sure they will not come into your bedroom

1590
01:37:57,240 --> 01:38:00,559
Speaker 1: and steal your semen. Wow, how do you do? How's

1591
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:04,960
Speaker 1: the approval process works? Out of interest, I cannot divulge

1592
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:12,320
Speaker 1: private garrisons. We are We are going to close off

1593
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:18,639
Speaker 1: by by talking about a sperm antestosterone um to two

1594
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:21,240
Speaker 1: of our favorite topics for this episode. For some reason,

1595
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,479
Speaker 1: about about a year ago, a trailer on Fox News

1596
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 1: dropped for a new batch of Tucker Carlson originals titled

1597
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 1: The End of Men. It opens with the text that reads,

1598
01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:43,200
Speaker 1: in the current year, the cycle continues once a society collapse,

1599
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:47,719
Speaker 1: he said, You're in hard time as well. Hot iron

1600
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 1: sharpens iron, as they'd say, and those hard times inevitably

1601
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 1: produce men who are tough, men, who are resourceful, men

1602
01:38:56,000 --> 01:39:00,160
Speaker 1: who are strong enough to survive, and then they go

1603
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:09,240
Speaker 1: on to re establish older and so the cycle begins again. Now,

1604
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:12,720
Speaker 1: there's a few funny things about this video, from the

1605
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 1: ripped shirtless dudes milking cows, to wrestling each other and

1606
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:20,799
Speaker 1: shooting bottles of canola oil. They're just at a undranche.

1607
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:24,200
Speaker 1: They're just shooting like ten bottles of canola oil for

1608
01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:28,880
Speaker 1: some reason maybe, But the Mussolini's like they're into the

1609
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:33,640
Speaker 1: Mussolini staff. He was by far the most bizarre. I

1610
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 1: suspect they're shooting the canola because it's like a seed

1611
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 1: oil thing. They think that like seeding thing, like sucking

1612
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:45,120
Speaker 1: out your testa sterone. Anyway, it's something very silly, but

1613
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 1: by far the most bizarre thing in this trailer is

1614
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:52,200
Speaker 1: a shot of a laked man with outstretched arms like

1615
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 1: Jesus on the Cross style, standing in front of a

1616
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:59,040
Speaker 1: lake at dusk, with a white machine shining a glowing

1617
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 1: red light on his dick. What and again at the

1618
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 1: climax of the music from two thousand and one A

1619
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:12,599
Speaker 1: Space Odyssey, Uh, there's this. There's this man facing balls

1620
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:15,080
Speaker 1: first in front of this large red light at the

1621
01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:19,280
Speaker 1: end of this trailer. I it should never have been

1622
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:23,080
Speaker 1: any cause on our podcast or on Fox News for

1623
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:26,160
Speaker 1: anyone to say the line after the end of the

1624
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:28,559
Speaker 1: climax of the music from two thousand and one A

1625
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 1: Space Odyssey. Oh, that's the thing we're objecting to from

1626
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 1: this episode. That's the light. Yeah, yeah, because it shouldn't

1627
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:40,200
Speaker 1: a climax. It lost its power in that moment. It

1628
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:44,280
Speaker 1: was considering both like the gas. That was a very

1629
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:50,760
Speaker 1: good joke, Thank you. Thank you, thank you for seeing me, buddy. Yeah, So,

1630
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:52,920
Speaker 1: considering both like the text at the beginning and then

1631
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:55,240
Speaker 1: some of the narration that we just heard in the trailer,

1632
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:58,920
Speaker 1: they're kind of doing this weird like calli Yuga thing, right,

1633
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:00,880
Speaker 1: that is that it's a bit of a bit of

1634
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:04,600
Speaker 1: what's going on here, because again you can listen to

1635
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:07,120
Speaker 1: our episodes on Savitri Devi for a little more information

1636
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 1: about this. But it's like this weird right wing uh

1637
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:15,840
Speaker 1: like quasi apocalyptic concept that evolved during an intermix between

1638
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:18,599
Speaker 1: some of the early Nazis and some of the people

1639
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:22,680
Speaker 1: who are currently behind the present leader of India. It's

1640
01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:25,519
Speaker 1: it's way too esoteric weird to get into, but it's

1641
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 1: one of the things that like the real Yeah, it's

1642
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:31,680
Speaker 1: like it. Um, We're not going to get into it

1643
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:35,360
Speaker 1: too much. But I think the previous news unsettling that

1644
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 1: it wound up adjacent to a Tucker Carlson episode because

1645
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:43,320
Speaker 1: it's some like weird esoteric Nazi wizard shit. Yes um.

1646
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:46,840
Speaker 1: And that previous November, Joe Rogan posted a Kali Yuga

1647
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:50,360
Speaker 1: meme which went viral. It's it's about how hard times

1648
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:52,960
Speaker 1: creates strong men, which create good times. Which lead to

1649
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:57,840
Speaker 1: weak men, which create hard times. It's a fucking silly his, his, his.

1650
01:41:58,280 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 1: The the accompanying text on the Instagram post that that

1651
01:42:02,240 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 1: Rogan did said, civilizations move in predictable cycles. We are

1652
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:08,840
Speaker 1: in the Kali Yuga, the age of conflict. All of

1653
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:11,320
Speaker 1: the chaos we're seeing right now was predicted in Hinduism

1654
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:17,920
Speaker 1: thousands of years ago. Rogan was probably just like parroting

1655
01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:20,240
Speaker 1: something that he heard from one of his many fashy

1656
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 1: or new age friends, which, considering Rogan's social circle, that

1657
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:26,719
Speaker 1: could very well just be the same person. Yes, yeah,

1658
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:29,280
Speaker 1: one of his fucking sparring buddies is either friends with

1659
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:32,000
Speaker 1: the Nazi or just stumbled upon a fucking the wrong

1660
01:42:32,120 --> 01:42:34,960
Speaker 1: podcast and then told him that when they were smoking weed,

1661
01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 1: And you know, yeah, that's I mean, that's honestly to

1662
01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:42,120
Speaker 1: It's problematic because of his platform, but that's how I learned.

1663
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:44,400
Speaker 1: Everything about s O Tereca that I learned when I

1664
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 1: was in my twenties was some I was smoking wheat

1665
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:49,639
Speaker 1: with some sketchy dude who was going places you shouldn't

1666
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 1: have been on the Internet. So a few months after

1667
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 1: Rogan posted this meme, we have Tucker Carlson making this

1668
01:42:56,800 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 1: whole mini series surrounding this hard Times creation strong men

1669
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:05,080
Speaker 1: kind of trend. Uh. It's taken cues from the online manisphere,

1670
01:43:05,320 --> 01:43:09,800
Speaker 1: and Tucker posited that weak, unmanly men are leading to

1671
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:13,280
Speaker 1: the collapse of civilization and a hardening of men is

1672
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:17,400
Speaker 1: necessary to save it. According to According to Tucker, one

1673
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:19,600
Speaker 1: of the one of the threats to manhood is a

1674
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:23,840
Speaker 1: quote unquote total collapse in testosterone levels amongst men in

1675
01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:28,120
Speaker 1: recent years. And the solution goes beyond just your typical

1676
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:32,439
Speaker 1: like anti soy crusading that Tucker has done in the past. Now,

1677
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:44,080
Speaker 1: Tucker has turned to the cutting edge science of bromeopathic medicine,

1678
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:49,599
Speaker 1: as advocated for by a quote unquote fitness professional named

1679
01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:54,679
Speaker 1: Andrew McGovern who touts that infrared light and testicle tanning

1680
01:43:55,240 --> 01:43:58,639
Speaker 1: is this day sex makeda for plummeting tea levels in men.

1681
01:43:59,120 --> 01:44:01,840
Speaker 1: So obviously half the viewers right now are like, what

1682
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 1: that's cutestical telling that's crazy, But my view is Okay,

1683
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:09,200
Speaker 1: testosterone levels like crash and nobody says anything about it.

1684
01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:13,640
Speaker 1: That's crazy. So why is it crazy to seek solutions?

1685
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:16,040
Speaker 1: It's not crazy to seek solutions. And I think um.

1686
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:19,160
Speaker 1: I was recently exposed to a term called bromeopathy, and

1687
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:21,200
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people out there right

1688
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:26,800
Speaker 1: now that um are don't trust the mainstream information. This

1689
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:31,400
Speaker 1: TV special is constantly referred to as a documentary, so

1690
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:35,520
Speaker 1: surely you would expect Tucker to try and like interview scientists,

1691
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:39,800
Speaker 1: or like anyone with expertise on this topic. Of course,

1692
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:47,559
Speaker 1: not act not no ways. Andrew McGovern are our bromeopathic hero.

1693
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:52,839
Speaker 1: Works as a personal trader at Lifetime Fitness in Columbus, Ohio.

1694
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:56,519
Speaker 1: And he hasn't even been a trader for very long.

1695
01:44:56,920 --> 01:45:02,800
Speaker 1: About a decade ago, a good one. About a decade ago,

1696
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:05,800
Speaker 1: he was the manager of an Abercrombie and Fitch store

1697
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:12,760
Speaker 1: in Mama. Oh perfect, Yes you know, okay now descriptions

1698
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:16,799
Speaker 1: from it looks at the Abercrombie and Fitch store. Wait,

1699
01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:22,719
Speaker 1: but in Miami. Hey, if you want to get trim,

1700
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 1: that's where you get trim. That is that type of dude.

1701
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 1: He's emerging here. As of twenties eventeen, he was the

1702
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:38,400
Speaker 1: director of operations for Petland retail stores. You're getting funnier.

1703
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:43,680
Speaker 1: This guy's resume is highly amusing. But Tucker being a

1704
01:45:43,680 --> 01:45:48,120
Speaker 1: competent journalist did not just interview one person. However, Kid

1705
01:45:48,200 --> 01:45:51,040
Speaker 1: Rock was brought on to be the sole voice of reasons.

1706
01:45:53,240 --> 01:45:55,559
Speaker 1: You laugh, But Kid Rock is the other person. I've

1707
01:45:55,560 --> 01:46:00,759
Speaker 1: gotten prescription drugs from so real Bastia. In the platonic

1708
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 1: cave of men stands Kid Rock and a guy from

1709
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:07,080
Speaker 1: Apocrombie and Fitch. We must only be their shadows. Dude,

1710
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:11,599
Speaker 1: stop testical tanning. Come on, I mean, yeah, I haven't

1711
01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:17,479
Speaker 1: heard anything, Bobby. I'm starting a punk rock band and

1712
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:20,160
Speaker 1: it's called testicle tanning. That's the end of it. I mean,

1713
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 1: don't you think at this point, when so many of

1714
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:25,720
Speaker 1: the therapies, the paths they've told us to take, have

1715
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:28,080
Speaker 1: turned out to be dead ends that have really hurt people,

1716
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:33,479
Speaker 1: why wouldn't open minded people seek new solutions. I don't

1717
01:46:33,479 --> 01:46:35,200
Speaker 1: know what the hell is going on in this world.

1718
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure if I understood that question. But

1719
01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:39,920
Speaker 1: some days I just want to stop this planet let

1720
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:43,639
Speaker 1: me off. Like kid Rock was not did not buy

1721
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:47,880
Speaker 1: into testicle tanning the same way Tuckers seemed to. Oh God,

1722
01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 1: is kid Rock gonna be the voice? That's what I said.

1723
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:53,240
Speaker 1: I said he was brought up to be the sole

1724
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:55,880
Speaker 1: voice of reason again. But we thought you were joking.

1725
01:46:55,880 --> 01:46:59,320
Speaker 1: Because it's kid Rock, you were joking. Believe you know,

1726
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:05,240
Speaker 1: he is the only person Kid Rock stands with science.

1727
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:10,519
Speaker 1: It is indeed sweet Home Alabama all summer long. Tucker

1728
01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:13,839
Speaker 1: was not the first person to advocate for testicular tanning

1729
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:18,000
Speaker 1: as the solution to an allegedly problematic dip in testosterol levels.

1730
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:20,679
Speaker 1: Dating back to twenty fifteen, you can find articles online

1731
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 1: such as quote former MLB player Gabe Kapler says men

1732
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:28,000
Speaker 1: who want to get stronger should tan their testicles from

1733
01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:31,439
Speaker 1: Complex and quote I put a giant red light on

1734
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:34,320
Speaker 1: my balls to triple white testosterone levels from a Men's

1735
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:37,160
Speaker 1: Health twenty seventeen. Is that written by Ben Greenfield? Banny

1736
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:39,920
Speaker 1: chuns because he normally pops up with these things, which

1737
01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:43,760
Speaker 1: which which one the Men's health one. Let me see

1738
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:46,760
Speaker 1: the guy who injected to make it big. I have

1739
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:49,120
Speaker 1: it in my show notes here. This was written by

1740
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:58,160
Speaker 1: someone named Ben Greenfield. This baland has won games. So

1741
01:47:58,240 --> 01:48:03,760
Speaker 1: proud of you today, buddy, I'm so happy teams are

1742
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:07,880
Speaker 1: you taking? Are you taking performance enhancing drugs for this podcast?

1743
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:13,400
Speaker 1: Shad me rub it? I'm not. This is so funny.

1744
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:17,320
Speaker 1: We have stepped into a gold minded contact with Ben Greenfield,

1745
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:19,720
Speaker 1: the guy who injected his own dick with stemseelves to

1746
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:24,200
Speaker 1: make it bigger. That's so funny. I urge you. I

1747
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:27,160
Speaker 1: compel you. If you have any free time in your day,

1748
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:31,080
Speaker 1: just google Ben Greenfield penis. There will be several articles.

1749
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:33,599
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be rectible outlets. It will just fucking

1750
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:37,599
Speaker 1: make you unwell. Well, that's that is great to hear.

1751
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:40,679
Speaker 1: But despite not being the first person to talk about

1752
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:45,240
Speaker 1: testicular tanning, Tucker was certainly the most impactful. After the

1753
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 1: airing of the End of Men. Testicular tanning showed a

1754
01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:52,880
Speaker 1: seven thousand increase in relative search interest on Google and

1755
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:57,960
Speaker 1: thirty thirty five thousand increase in tweets on the topic. Now,

1756
01:48:58,040 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 1: surely some of these things or stuff like what if,

1757
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:06,040
Speaker 1: like making fun of it, right, Yeah, but also a

1758
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 1: lot of it's also people who are just talking about

1759
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:12,360
Speaker 1: it genuinely. Um to quote a study published in jmi R,

1760
01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:16,639
Speaker 1: a dermatology publication, quote, the promotion of testicular tanning generated

1761
01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:20,439
Speaker 1: significant public interest in an evidence lacking and potentially dangerous

1762
01:49:20,439 --> 01:49:23,840
Speaker 1: health trend. Dermatologists and other healthcare professionals should be aware

1763
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:27,200
Speaker 1: of these new viral health trends to best consultations and

1764
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:32,280
Speaker 1: combat health misinformation. So like, in terms of actual data,

1765
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:36,599
Speaker 1: a twenty seventeen meta analysis of studies on sperm counts

1766
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:39,879
Speaker 1: found that in North America, Europe, Australia, and New Zealand,

1767
01:49:40,240 --> 01:49:43,400
Speaker 1: men's sperm counts have declined by about fifty percent between

1768
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:47,680
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three and twenty eleven. Now, these results have

1769
01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:50,920
Speaker 1: not been enough to really cause broad concern unless you're

1770
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:53,920
Speaker 1: like a right wing influencer for men, because there doesn't

1771
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:58,040
Speaker 1: really seem to be an equal drop in testosterial levels

1772
01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:04,760
Speaker 1: up problems mankind has had on the not enough yes

1773
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:07,680
Speaker 1: and and like compared to previous decades. There is this

1774
01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:11,120
Speaker 1: maybe like a twenty percent decrease in total testasterone levels

1775
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:14,520
Speaker 1: amongst adolescent and young adult males, but that's highly fluctual

1776
01:50:14,720 --> 01:50:18,640
Speaker 1: and it's impacted heavily by diet. It's it's suspected that

1777
01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:25,040
Speaker 1: pollution environmental degradation are also suspected of being contributing factors,

1778
01:50:25,080 --> 01:50:29,880
Speaker 1: with plastics like highlight being known to interfere with the

1779
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:33,120
Speaker 1: production of hormones like testosterone. But this this area of

1780
01:50:33,160 --> 01:50:35,920
Speaker 1: research is still heavily contested, but still that has not

1781
01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:40,160
Speaker 1: stopped fitness YouTubers and conservative influencers from tying this to

1782
01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:43,680
Speaker 1: like the soy boy feminization of men and drumming up

1783
01:50:43,680 --> 01:50:46,480
Speaker 1: panic to grow their social media followings, sell their supplements

1784
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:50,400
Speaker 1: and advertise affiliate products. The Kreme de la creme of

1785
01:50:50,479 --> 01:50:54,920
Speaker 1: red lights for testicular tanning is the Jeve Light. A light.

1786
01:50:56,200 --> 01:51:00,559
Speaker 1: Juve is a light therapy panel company which ells these

1787
01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:04,240
Speaker 1: LEDs um They're they're like this, They're like this upscale

1788
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:08,320
Speaker 1: wellness brand. Um. The smallest model they have costs over

1789
01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:11,200
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars, with the full body ones going for

1790
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:15,840
Speaker 1: around ten grand. This is when you know it's a grift.

1791
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:18,160
Speaker 1: If someone is telling you that they need to sell

1792
01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 1: you sunlight, they are having a fucking laugh. Our friend

1793
01:51:22,479 --> 01:51:28,519
Speaker 1: Ben Greenfield advocates a quote that advocates that you spend

1794
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:31,479
Speaker 1: the big bucks on Drew lest you quote fry your

1795
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:35,759
Speaker 1: balls to a crisp with a cheap knockoff. You wouldn't

1796
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:40,479
Speaker 1: want to do that, would you? Unwill Yeah, it seems

1797
01:51:40,479 --> 01:51:43,320
Speaker 1: like it's maybe a bad idea. I can teach you

1798
01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:45,960
Speaker 1: how to how to how to cook your balls safely.

1799
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:48,120
Speaker 1: Without spending any money at all. Get a pair of

1800
01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:50,559
Speaker 1: double A batteries. Take them right out of your out

1801
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:54,599
Speaker 1: of your your your your your remote control. You stick

1802
01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:57,800
Speaker 1: the active end in a bottle of water, and then

1803
01:51:57,840 --> 01:52:01,719
Speaker 1: you put your hand on your testicles and it'll complete

1804
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:05,639
Speaker 1: the circuit and power your testicles up with electricity, which

1805
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:08,639
Speaker 1: you can then ejaculate instead of come. They'll probably give

1806
01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:13,000
Speaker 1: you superpowers too, almost certainly, Garrison, legally, this is not

1807
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:16,080
Speaker 1: a recommendation to do this. If you do this, that

1808
01:52:16,120 --> 01:52:20,880
Speaker 1: shit's not on us. Divolition, Please to not connect batteries.

1809
01:52:21,160 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 1: Dick to quote that JMIR study evaluating the public's interest

1810
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:28,240
Speaker 1: into secular tanning quote. The interest in this topic may

1811
01:52:28,280 --> 01:52:31,639
Speaker 1: be partially explained by the men's attention and advertising men's

1812
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:35,759
Speaker 1: sexual health and homeown replacement or homeown enhancing therapies receive

1813
01:52:35,800 --> 01:52:39,160
Speaker 1: in the US. Although subsequent media coverage largely disfavored to

1814
01:52:39,200 --> 01:52:42,800
Speaker 1: secular tanning due to lacking evidence and potential dangers, other

1815
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:45,840
Speaker 1: health influencers came to defend and encourage the practice of

1816
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:50,719
Speaker 1: testicular tanning, specifically by using UV light as an unquote.

1817
01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:53,919
Speaker 1: As an example, here is a clip from fitness YouTuber

1818
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:59,640
Speaker 1: Elliott Hulsey's Strength Camp with one point seven million followers.

1819
01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:05,400
Speaker 1: Blast your balls with sunshine to increase testosterone. Now you

1820
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:07,679
Speaker 1: can drop your draws and let your balls get kissed

1821
01:53:07,680 --> 01:53:09,880
Speaker 1: by the sun, or you can try one of these

1822
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:12,599
Speaker 1: light panels to roast by nuts and be more manly.

1823
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:16,400
Speaker 1: Nineteen thirty nine study suggests that UV light exposure to

1824
01:53:16,520 --> 01:53:20,479
Speaker 1: your testicles increases testosterone by two hundred percent. If you

1825
01:53:20,520 --> 01:53:22,360
Speaker 1: want to join me in this experiment, you can find

1826
01:53:22,360 --> 01:53:25,040
Speaker 1: one of these bad boys at cozyhealth dot com. Then

1827
01:53:25,240 --> 01:53:28,360
Speaker 1: just go to personal labs dot com, get your blood tested,

1828
01:53:28,479 --> 01:53:31,519
Speaker 1: get your testosterone. Then after eight to twelve weeks, check

1829
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:34,519
Speaker 1: it again and find out if the nut rusting really works.

1830
01:53:35,080 --> 01:53:38,960
Speaker 1: So this whole idea goes back to this one nineteen

1831
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:44,680
Speaker 1: thirty nine. Studies eighteen thirty nine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, get

1832
01:53:44,720 --> 01:53:47,080
Speaker 1: chience in nineteen thirty nine. Man, And if there's one

1833
01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:50,599
Speaker 1: thing I trust, it's science from nineteen thirty nine. Yep,

1834
01:53:51,400 --> 01:53:55,559
Speaker 1: got any comments on race in the study. So this

1835
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:58,599
Speaker 1: study was published in the journal Endercnology, and it found

1836
01:53:58,640 --> 01:54:04,480
Speaker 1: that frequent UV irritation to the genitals increased urinary and drosterone,

1837
01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:09,280
Speaker 1: a metabolite of distasterone. Increases levels by nearly two hundred percent,

1838
01:54:09,320 --> 01:54:12,200
Speaker 1: quote unquote. Now you'll be shocked to learn that there

1839
01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:16,439
Speaker 1: may be problems with this study. Guess how many test

1840
01:54:16,479 --> 01:54:19,600
Speaker 1: subjects were included in this In this study, I'm going

1841
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:22,679
Speaker 1: to be generous and say eight. So Mia says eight,

1842
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:26,799
Speaker 1: James and Greenfield just one? One? You say one, Robert,

1843
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:29,679
Speaker 1: how many? How many do you think are in the study? Geez?

1844
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:32,160
Speaker 1: I think like seven was sacred to the Nazi, So

1845
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:35,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that five. A grand total of five

1846
01:54:35,400 --> 01:54:38,240
Speaker 1: people are in this study. Wow, I give too much credit.

1847
01:54:38,680 --> 01:54:42,040
Speaker 1: They had to pick the sacred discordion number bullshit. Three

1848
01:54:42,120 --> 01:54:45,839
Speaker 1: of them are fifty four years old and have manic

1849
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:53,600
Speaker 1: depressive psychosis. The other two are twenty Honestly, not a

1850
01:54:53,640 --> 01:54:58,120
Speaker 1: bad representative sample for Tucker's audience. I was about to

1851
01:54:58,160 --> 01:55:02,000
Speaker 1: say the same thing. This is actually the other two

1852
01:55:02,040 --> 01:55:04,200
Speaker 1: or twenty eight and forty five and have a quote

1853
01:55:04,440 --> 01:55:09,920
Speaker 1: psychopathia with depressive features, which is very old old timey

1854
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:14,600
Speaker 1: term everyone on Twitter, etc. Etc. But I think what

1855
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:16,560
Speaker 1: what actually happened is I think they did this study

1856
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:20,000
Speaker 1: at an asylum and just found people with depressive psychosis

1857
01:55:20,280 --> 01:55:22,440
Speaker 1: to do the study on it. It's just these five,

1858
01:55:22,520 --> 01:55:26,760
Speaker 1: these five random people. Um No, no individual graft results

1859
01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:29,640
Speaker 1: were produced. It only showed the quote unquote typical reaction.

1860
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:38,120
Speaker 1: And there wasn't even a control group for the study.

1861
01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:40,920
Speaker 1: Not to mention, there's many problems with like measuring to

1862
01:55:40,960 --> 01:55:43,560
Speaker 1: stosterone in the first place, because it changes broadly day

1863
01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:46,440
Speaker 1: to day and by age, and it's very kind of unreliable.

1864
01:55:46,840 --> 01:55:50,120
Speaker 1: Um to quote the jmi R study again, quote Beyond

1865
01:55:50,240 --> 01:55:53,440
Speaker 1: this questionable study, research has shown that exposure to UV

1866
01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:58,720
Speaker 1: radiation may increase sex steroid hormone levels. However, these studies

1867
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:01,560
Speaker 1: either do not include human participants or do you not

1868
01:56:01,600 --> 01:56:06,080
Speaker 1: specifically evaluate UV radiation exposure to the genitals. There is

1869
01:56:06,160 --> 01:56:08,920
Speaker 1: there is not a single other study since then that

1870
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:14,600
Speaker 1: has done anything resembling like peer reviewed science. You know

1871
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:18,960
Speaker 1: why why everybody go to go to go fund me,

1872
01:56:19,640 --> 01:56:23,320
Speaker 1: help cool Zone determine whether or not testical tanning works.

1873
01:56:23,640 --> 01:56:28,040
Speaker 1: And we'll get that control group. Well, okay, so what

1874
01:56:28,120 --> 01:56:30,160
Speaker 1: my mile question about this? Aren't aren't all these people

1875
01:56:30,160 --> 01:56:35,080
Speaker 1: getting fucking ball cancer? We are? We are, Okay, we

1876
01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:39,840
Speaker 1: are about to get to that, because yes, you may

1877
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:42,520
Speaker 1: think that shining UFI lights on your bulls might have

1878
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:45,120
Speaker 1: some long term problems. Yeah, it's great that long sound

1879
01:56:45,120 --> 01:56:48,960
Speaker 1: strans come back to the episode of gain. So Vice

1880
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:53,040
Speaker 1: interviewed Seth Cohen, a urologist and the director of the

1881
01:56:53,080 --> 01:56:57,040
Speaker 1: Sexual Dysfunction Program at NYU lendin Health. Quote, I'm not

1882
01:56:57,080 --> 01:56:59,560
Speaker 1: aware of any science or data or any journal publications

1883
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:04,240
Speaker 1: proving that red light therapy improves meltostosterone and quote we

1884
01:57:04,440 --> 01:57:07,440
Speaker 1: change recommendations on medical therapies based on a double blind,

1885
01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:12,400
Speaker 1: placebo controlled randomized trials, large studies with thousands of patients.

1886
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:16,280
Speaker 1: That's where you'll find if there's any really statistical significance

1887
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:19,280
Speaker 1: between red light therapy and a placebo Could these men

1888
01:57:19,320 --> 01:57:21,640
Speaker 1: who underwent red light therapy and came out and felt

1889
01:57:21,640 --> 01:57:24,000
Speaker 1: stronger and more manly? Could they Could that have been

1890
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:27,560
Speaker 1: a placebo effect? Of course it could unquote so and

1891
01:57:27,720 --> 01:57:30,240
Speaker 1: as Mia mentioned, we have not really even gotten into

1892
01:57:30,280 --> 01:57:35,040
Speaker 1: the potential dangers yet. Close direct heat to your testicles

1893
01:57:35,120 --> 01:57:38,800
Speaker 1: actually damages sperm count on top of the risk of

1894
01:57:39,240 --> 01:57:43,040
Speaker 1: giving yourself ball cancer by blasting concentrated UV light on

1895
01:57:43,080 --> 01:57:45,280
Speaker 1: your genitals for twenty minutes a day, every day of

1896
01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:51,160
Speaker 1: the week, which is what is recommended to quote to

1897
01:57:51,240 --> 01:57:55,040
Speaker 1: quote that study one last time quote. Research shows that

1898
01:57:55,080 --> 01:57:58,760
Speaker 1: excessive exposure to UV radiation may lead to higher rates

1899
01:57:58,760 --> 01:58:03,680
Speaker 1: of genital tumor formation and decreased sperm counts, as spermo

1900
01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:08,400
Speaker 1: to genesis is temperature dependent. Thus, given the current obsession

1901
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:12,240
Speaker 1: with optimizing male hormone levels, the high cost of Redleigh therapy,

1902
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:16,840
Speaker 1: and misleading information labeling of testicular tanning by prominent influencers,

1903
01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:19,160
Speaker 1: there may be an increase in men exposing themselves to

1904
01:58:19,240 --> 01:58:25,840
Speaker 1: UV radiation and developing associated complications, right heroic, So guys,

1905
01:58:26,240 --> 01:58:30,240
Speaker 1: almost done here. But man, it's pretty it's pretty funny

1906
01:58:30,280 --> 01:58:32,080
Speaker 1: that all of the worst people you know are gonna

1907
01:58:32,120 --> 01:58:37,800
Speaker 1: get ball cancer. Ye don't stop him. Yeah, I you know,

1908
01:58:37,880 --> 01:58:39,400
Speaker 1: there was a period of time in my life when

1909
01:58:39,400 --> 01:58:42,400
Speaker 1: I had said where I will never wich cancer on anybody.

1910
01:58:42,720 --> 01:58:45,920
Speaker 1: But if you are deliberately exposing your testicles for the sun,

1911
01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:48,480
Speaker 1: to the sun and the hope of getting superpowers because

1912
01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:53,440
Speaker 1: of Nazi science, it's okay. It's it's okay, Like I'm

1913
01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:56,520
Speaker 1: not going to mourn that. To be fair, That thirty

1914
01:58:56,600 --> 01:58:59,560
Speaker 1: nine study was from the United States, so it could

1915
01:59:01,400 --> 01:59:06,960
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the other Nazi science. Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1916
01:59:07,280 --> 01:59:11,280
Speaker 1: well yeah, um and I think I think of a

1917
01:59:11,400 --> 01:59:14,120
Speaker 1: part of this whole narrative of like the total collapse

1918
01:59:14,160 --> 01:59:17,920
Speaker 1: of men's distosterone levels, as as Tucker puts it, fucking

1919
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:22,600
Speaker 1: wish Yeah, chasier. But I think this is more about

1920
01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:26,480
Speaker 1: men in power feeling that their position of assumed superiority

1921
01:59:26,640 --> 01:59:29,560
Speaker 1: is being threatened. Really, all of our quack science and

1922
01:59:29,600 --> 01:59:33,760
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory stories today all revolve around this, like subliminal

1923
01:59:33,800 --> 01:59:37,040
Speaker 1: dog whistle. It's no mistake that Tucker titled his program

1924
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:40,360
Speaker 1: the End of Men. In all the stories we'recovering today,

1925
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:43,400
Speaker 1: it is the fear of emasculation that is the hook

1926
01:59:43,560 --> 01:59:46,080
Speaker 1: used to drum up fear and anger about how liberal

1927
01:59:46,120 --> 01:59:49,960
Speaker 1: feminism is eroding manhood. It targets some of young men's

1928
01:59:50,040 --> 01:59:54,320
Speaker 1: sexual insecurities while promoting this like anti woke return to

1929
01:59:54,520 --> 01:59:58,480
Speaker 1: the old ways of rugged masculinity. Yeah, I might add,

1930
01:59:58,640 --> 02:00:00,840
Speaker 1: because I think you're missing one aspect of it. I

1931
02:00:00,840 --> 02:00:04,240
Speaker 1: think you're identifying what he's signaling to his listeners and

1932
02:00:04,360 --> 02:00:06,920
Speaker 1: what they get out of it. But I also think

1933
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:09,280
Speaker 1: that what he and the other folks who are kind

1934
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:12,000
Speaker 1: of in positions of power and influence in the right

1935
02:00:12,640 --> 02:00:15,120
Speaker 1: get out of this because they're not they don't believe this,

1936
02:00:15,200 --> 02:00:18,480
Speaker 1: they're not actually motivated by that. Now, what this is

1937
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:21,040
Speaker 1: and what because because we do not know specifically why,

1938
02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:25,160
Speaker 1: like testosterone rates, maybe lower white sperm counts are definitely lower,

1939
02:00:25,200 --> 02:00:27,720
Speaker 1: but it likely has to do with a massive variety

1940
02:00:27,720 --> 02:00:32,520
Speaker 1: of industrial pollutants in the environment, and with the fact

1941
02:00:32,600 --> 02:00:37,440
Speaker 1: that industrial agriculture and the process nature of a lot

1942
02:00:37,480 --> 02:00:39,400
Speaker 1: of our foods is having a negative impact on all

1943
02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:43,600
Speaker 1: these things. Like it's it's consequences of capitalism, right, and

1944
02:00:43,720 --> 02:00:47,240
Speaker 1: because the consequences are getting increasingly hard to ignore, the

1945
02:00:47,280 --> 02:00:50,360
Speaker 1: thing that people like that need to do is find

1946
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:53,360
Speaker 1: either a cure for them or another way to blame

1947
02:00:53,960 --> 02:00:55,920
Speaker 1: or another thing to blame them on. Right. And so

1948
02:00:55,960 --> 02:00:59,680
Speaker 1: if the aspect the things that are horribly unhealthy about

1949
02:00:59,720 --> 02:01:03,000
Speaker 1: these society that we have built is causing men to

1950
02:01:03,120 --> 02:01:07,600
Speaker 1: suffer consequences in their bodies, um, the thing to do

1951
02:01:07,680 --> 02:01:10,200
Speaker 1: on the right is to blame that shit on the

1952
02:01:10,240 --> 02:01:13,680
Speaker 1: liberals emasculating men. And the solution is whatever kind of

1953
02:01:13,720 --> 02:01:15,960
Speaker 1: shit we can sell you, right, Like, that's what's going

1954
02:01:16,040 --> 02:01:19,560
Speaker 1: on here, that's the motivation, and it happens outside of

1955
02:01:19,600 --> 02:01:23,080
Speaker 1: like man shit too, Like that's all the right has anymore.

1956
02:01:23,160 --> 02:01:27,000
Speaker 1: Like their their economic theories have been proven disastrously wrong.

1957
02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:31,000
Speaker 1: They have no actual ability to govern in a meaningful

1958
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:33,120
Speaker 1: way other than by causing harm to people. So it's

1959
02:01:33,240 --> 02:01:36,520
Speaker 1: entirely about taking the consequences of the world that they

1960
02:01:36,560 --> 02:01:39,960
Speaker 1: advocate and blaming them on someone else and selling you

1961
02:01:40,040 --> 02:01:44,080
Speaker 1: snake oil to deal with it. Yeah, exactly, And so

1962
02:01:44,160 --> 02:01:47,200
Speaker 1: that is that. That is most of the of the

1963
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:51,440
Speaker 1: testicular tanning fun that that I got into. We haven't

1964
02:01:51,800 --> 02:01:56,840
Speaker 1: covered all the things in twenty seventeen. We'll get back

1965
02:01:56,880 --> 02:01:59,360
Speaker 1: on this subject, but it is time for us to end.

1966
02:01:59,400 --> 02:02:02,200
Speaker 1: This is all right over an hour. So I want

1967
02:02:02,200 --> 02:02:04,760
Speaker 1: to leave you all, all of you, all of you beautiful. First,

1968
02:02:04,800 --> 02:02:06,800
Speaker 1: I want to thank all of our beautiful correspondence for

1969
02:02:06,840 --> 02:02:08,920
Speaker 1: their research. And I want to leave all of you

1970
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:12,000
Speaker 1: with this simple piece of advice. If you feel like

1971
02:02:12,040 --> 02:02:16,640
Speaker 1: your testicles aren't getting enough solar radiation, simply purchase a

1972
02:02:16,680 --> 02:02:20,880
Speaker 1: glass cutter and an old microwave, cut a circular hole

1973
02:02:20,920 --> 02:02:24,080
Speaker 1: in the microwave, and you bag it while it's on.

1974
02:02:24,360 --> 02:02:28,600
Speaker 1: You'll be okay. That is our legally binding health advice.

1975
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:46,840
Speaker 1: That's the end of the episode. Hello, Welcome to It

1976
02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:51,360
Speaker 1: could happen here We've got a bit of a bit

1977
02:02:51,360 --> 02:02:53,200
Speaker 1: of a downer of an episode here, but this is

1978
02:02:53,200 --> 02:02:55,080
Speaker 1: going to be part one of a two part series

1979
02:02:55,400 --> 02:02:59,280
Speaker 1: talking about the increasing war on transpeople that we've seen

1980
02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:03,680
Speaker 1: both on the horcle side and on the actual legislative side.

1981
02:03:04,360 --> 02:03:09,480
Speaker 1: UM with me today is mia Anna Margaret. How how

1982
02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:13,080
Speaker 1: are you doing on this fine day? It's it's been.

1983
02:03:13,120 --> 02:03:16,520
Speaker 1: It's been really fun frantically updating my part of the

1984
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:20,480
Speaker 1: script because they're keep being fucking new bills that are

1985
02:03:20,720 --> 02:03:24,040
Speaker 1: like going through committee. So it's great having having a

1986
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:27,800
Speaker 1: good time. I'm doing great. I'm not aware of anything

1987
02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:30,120
Speaker 1: that's wrong. I assume you all are here to tell

1988
02:03:30,160 --> 02:03:36,880
Speaker 1: me that everything's fine forever. Well, hopefully next episode we'll

1989
02:03:36,920 --> 02:03:41,080
Speaker 1: talk more about how we can, like, uh, I don't know,

1990
02:03:41,240 --> 02:03:44,440
Speaker 1: deal with this sort of thing. I most I it

1991
02:03:44,520 --> 02:03:47,320
Speaker 1: was my job to handle the bad part of the

1992
02:03:47,720 --> 02:03:50,160
Speaker 1: of this two part series, and it was the other

1993
02:03:50,160 --> 02:03:53,040
Speaker 1: people's job to handle the good part. So I don't

1994
02:03:53,080 --> 02:03:56,200
Speaker 1: know what they haven't planned for the next episode. Actually,

1995
02:03:56,480 --> 02:03:58,960
Speaker 1: all I all I did was watch hours and hours

1996
02:03:59,000 --> 02:04:02,520
Speaker 1: of people advocate for genocide and put together some of

1997
02:04:02,560 --> 02:04:04,560
Speaker 1: the worst bits that I feel like are still worth mentioning.

1998
02:04:04,640 --> 02:04:07,080
Speaker 1: It's probably worth noting that the two of us who

1999
02:04:07,080 --> 02:04:10,040
Speaker 1: are supposed to be writing about what we do about

2000
02:04:10,080 --> 02:04:15,600
Speaker 1: it both have swords over our shoulders. I can go

2001
02:04:15,720 --> 02:04:17,680
Speaker 1: grab a sword, if that is, If that is a

2002
02:04:17,680 --> 02:04:21,520
Speaker 1: core part of the advice, I think so okay. So

2003
02:04:22,880 --> 02:04:25,200
Speaker 1: I think whenever I put together episodes like these, I

2004
02:04:25,240 --> 02:04:28,600
Speaker 1: always try to be careful not to I don't just

2005
02:04:28,640 --> 02:04:32,560
Speaker 1: want to include people who are talking about why myself

2006
02:04:32,560 --> 02:04:35,560
Speaker 1: and others should die, like just like I don't want

2007
02:04:35,560 --> 02:04:38,720
Speaker 1: to include that unnecessarily because that's just kind of a bummer.

2008
02:04:40,200 --> 02:04:43,240
Speaker 1: But I think it is also important to actually hear

2009
02:04:43,280 --> 02:04:45,960
Speaker 1: and understand the types of rhetoric that they are trying

2010
02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:49,040
Speaker 1: to spread and they're trying to normalize, and be aware

2011
02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:53,600
Speaker 1: of what techniques and what rhetorical styles they are trying

2012
02:04:53,600 --> 02:04:56,480
Speaker 1: to employ. So I've condensed this down as much as

2013
02:04:56,520 --> 02:04:59,400
Speaker 1: I can. You will still hear a decent amount of

2014
02:04:59,400 --> 02:05:02,280
Speaker 1: pretty gross stuff. Um. I think I should have almost

2015
02:05:02,320 --> 02:05:05,360
Speaker 1: all of the machendering completely edited out. I should have

2016
02:05:05,360 --> 02:05:08,000
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of things not not included. But there

2017
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:09,880
Speaker 1: will be a decent amount of rhetoric that that that

2018
02:05:09,920 --> 02:05:12,560
Speaker 1: you will hear from, just as as a heads up.

2019
02:05:12,600 --> 02:05:14,720
Speaker 1: That's what's going to be kind of part of this episode.

2020
02:05:16,360 --> 02:05:17,960
Speaker 1: A lot of this is going to be talking about

2021
02:05:18,120 --> 02:05:22,040
Speaker 1: hosts that are employed by the conservative news site ran

2022
02:05:22,120 --> 02:05:26,960
Speaker 1: by Ben Shapiro, The Daily Wire. They have really, really

2023
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:33,160
Speaker 1: focused in an excruciating extent on antitrans like campaigning and

2024
02:05:33,200 --> 02:05:37,640
Speaker 1: activism for really the past year. It got this type

2025
02:05:37,640 --> 02:05:39,920
Speaker 1: of stuff got really bad last February, and it once

2026
02:05:39,960 --> 02:05:43,240
Speaker 1: again got really bad this February. It's no coincidence that

2027
02:05:43,240 --> 02:05:45,600
Speaker 1: this is also the start of the legislative cycle, that

2028
02:05:45,760 --> 02:05:48,440
Speaker 1: this is why they're doing this right now. It is.

2029
02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:52,040
Speaker 1: It is part of an attempt to actually affect the

2030
02:05:52,120 --> 02:05:55,240
Speaker 1: laws that the United States have around if trans people

2031
02:05:55,240 --> 02:05:58,240
Speaker 1: are allowed to exist. It is, it is. It is purposeful,

2032
02:06:00,200 --> 02:06:05,200
Speaker 1: So we may as well just get started here. We're

2033
02:06:05,200 --> 02:06:08,400
Speaker 1: going to start a little bit liked actually, so most

2034
02:06:08,400 --> 02:06:10,560
Speaker 1: of this will be documenting the types of rhetoric they

2035
02:06:10,600 --> 02:06:13,040
Speaker 1: were using in February to March, so the past like

2036
02:06:13,160 --> 02:06:16,720
Speaker 1: month and a half. In early February, Candice Owens on

2037
02:06:16,800 --> 02:06:20,520
Speaker 1: her Daily Wire show refer to transpeople as demonic while

2038
02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:25,400
Speaker 1: advocating for the total ban of transgender healthcare for all ages.

2039
02:06:25,760 --> 02:06:30,280
Speaker 1: The trans Lives Matter protesters decided to occupy the Oklahoma

2040
02:06:30,320 --> 02:06:34,560
Speaker 1: Capitol building to fight GOP bills that ban gender conforming

2041
02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:36,440
Speaker 1: surgery for people that are under the age of twenty one.

2042
02:06:36,520 --> 02:06:38,600
Speaker 1: So that, of course that should be banned. If you

2043
02:06:38,640 --> 02:06:40,800
Speaker 1: are in the age twenty one, you should not be Honestly,

2044
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:42,840
Speaker 1: you should never be allowed by I would go a

2045
02:06:42,920 --> 02:06:45,160
Speaker 1: little further, Oklahoma, if you really want to do something,

2046
02:06:45,240 --> 02:06:48,160
Speaker 1: just ban it altogether. Yeah. I love that because they're

2047
02:06:48,160 --> 02:06:49,960
Speaker 1: always trying to be like, no, no, no, we're just

2048
02:06:50,040 --> 02:06:53,480
Speaker 1: here to protect the children, whereas we've known this entire

2049
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:58,040
Speaker 1: time that they're trying to stop anyone from being trends. Yes,

2050
02:06:58,120 --> 02:06:59,760
Speaker 1: this is a pattern that will come up a lot

2051
02:06:59,840 --> 02:07:02,400
Speaker 1: in the research I've put together for this is how

2052
02:07:02,520 --> 02:07:04,440
Speaker 1: last year it was their very much trying to make

2053
02:07:04,480 --> 02:07:06,080
Speaker 1: it like, no, it's just about the kids. And then

2054
02:07:06,200 --> 02:07:08,360
Speaker 1: we were talking about how first they're going to try

2055
02:07:08,360 --> 02:07:09,960
Speaker 1: to limit it to eighteen years old, and they're gonna

2056
02:07:09,960 --> 02:07:11,760
Speaker 1: limit it to twenty one years old, and they're gonna

2057
02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:13,480
Speaker 1: limit it to twenty five years old. Then they're just

2058
02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:15,240
Speaker 1: going to ban it all together. And that is very

2059
02:07:15,320 --> 02:07:18,360
Speaker 1: clearly what they're doing. And they're they're now just saying

2060
02:07:18,360 --> 02:07:21,880
Speaker 1: the quiet part out loud. So good on us for

2061
02:07:21,960 --> 02:07:24,480
Speaker 1: calling that a year in advance, but now they're emboldened

2062
02:07:24,520 --> 02:07:28,200
Speaker 1: just to say it outright. So kind of Someone's refers

2063
02:07:28,240 --> 02:07:30,480
Speaker 1: to trans people as demonic later on a night clip.

2064
02:07:30,480 --> 02:07:34,680
Speaker 1: I'm not not including that bit because just today Michael

2065
02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:38,480
Speaker 1: Knowles on his Daily Wire show said that this so

2066
02:07:38,520 --> 02:07:44,000
Speaker 1: called transgenderism is demonic, the second second Daily Wire person

2067
02:07:44,240 --> 02:07:47,960
Speaker 1: to drum up this satanic panic shit. This is demonic stuff,

2068
02:07:48,520 --> 02:07:50,960
Speaker 1: really demonic stuff. And I made this point I got

2069
02:07:51,000 --> 02:07:54,360
Speaker 1: in trouble with our publicists over at Media Matters because

2070
02:07:54,560 --> 02:08:01,400
Speaker 1: I said that the attacks on man end's sexual nature

2071
02:08:01,560 --> 02:08:07,040
Speaker 1: and sexual difference in complimentarity are demonic, and they are.

2072
02:08:07,200 --> 02:08:10,480
Speaker 1: They go back throughout all of history, throughout some of

2073
02:08:10,480 --> 02:08:13,200
Speaker 1: the earliest depictions of demons, even one of the most

2074
02:08:13,240 --> 02:08:17,880
Speaker 1: prominent depictions of demons. It comes from an artist, Lafas Levy,

2075
02:08:17,920 --> 02:08:21,280
Speaker 1: who is an occultist, who did a depiction of Baphomet.

2076
02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:23,080
Speaker 1: If you just think what's a demon look like, you're

2077
02:08:23,120 --> 02:08:27,920
Speaker 1: probably thinking of this picture. Okay, okay, all right, that's

2078
02:08:28,280 --> 02:08:34,600
Speaker 1: not true. It's it's completely wrong. So this is this

2079
02:08:34,680 --> 02:08:37,680
Speaker 1: is really funny to be because for years now I've

2080
02:08:37,720 --> 02:08:40,400
Speaker 1: been trying to say that being trans is not demonic.

2081
02:08:40,440 --> 02:08:45,120
Speaker 1: It's very clearly alchemical. Please please get your occults terms right.

2082
02:08:45,960 --> 02:08:49,840
Speaker 1: Thousands of years of alchemical development has delivered onto me

2083
02:08:50,240 --> 02:08:54,000
Speaker 1: estradial valorate. It's it's very clearly alchemy. Um. But also

2084
02:08:54,040 --> 02:08:56,120
Speaker 1: it's just extremely funny to me that Noels tried to

2085
02:08:56,160 --> 02:09:00,240
Speaker 1: cite Levy, who's like, Baphomet isn't really a demon in

2086
02:09:00,480 --> 02:09:03,640
Speaker 1: Lovey's work, but like whatever, it's it's all it's extremely funny.

2087
02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:07,320
Speaker 1: He He goes on to talk about Solivate and and Coigila,

2088
02:09:07,320 --> 02:09:08,960
Speaker 1: which I've actually been planning to do an episode on

2089
02:09:09,000 --> 02:09:11,400
Speaker 1: for a while. But it's it's all extremely funny too.

2090
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:14,280
Speaker 1: Is it worth describing that Bapphamet is the statue of

2091
02:09:14,280 --> 02:09:23,520
Speaker 1: the like hornheaded person with like Yes, often falsely falsely

2092
02:09:23,600 --> 02:09:26,720
Speaker 1: identified as the Satan or a demon, But yes, it's

2093
02:09:26,760 --> 02:09:29,080
Speaker 1: a very famous, very famous statue. Like if you think

2094
02:09:29,080 --> 02:09:31,080
Speaker 1: of like the statue of Satan, this is what bapha

2095
02:09:31,080 --> 02:09:33,920
Speaker 1: Bet actually is. Yeah, it's it's not Satan, but I

2096
02:09:33,960 --> 02:09:36,960
Speaker 1: mean the use of this like demonic rhetoric is a

2097
02:09:37,040 --> 02:09:39,880
Speaker 1: very is it's it's very basic, like a dehumanizing stuff.

2098
02:09:40,120 --> 02:09:44,280
Speaker 1: Trying to dehumanize trans people, um, while also pulling from

2099
02:09:44,360 --> 02:09:48,120
Speaker 1: like the remnants of the satanic panic that still exists

2100
02:09:48,160 --> 02:09:52,720
Speaker 1: in some conservatives minds. UM. Moving on to to a

2101
02:09:52,760 --> 02:09:57,000
Speaker 1: friend of the pod, Matt Walsh. UM. One of one

2102
02:09:57,040 --> 02:10:00,680
Speaker 1: of his recent main targets is actress Dylan mulvain. On

2103
02:10:00,720 --> 02:10:05,480
Speaker 1: February fourteenth, Matt went on a mindless rant while continuously

2104
02:10:05,640 --> 02:10:09,400
Speaker 1: miss gendering mulvaney and attacking her appearance, at one point

2105
02:10:09,480 --> 02:10:13,839
Speaker 1: referring to her as like doing a woman face minstrel

2106
02:10:13,920 --> 02:10:18,040
Speaker 1: show routine. Which a reaccording thing about this is that

2107
02:10:18,280 --> 02:10:20,600
Speaker 1: all in all of their rhetoric against transpeople, they also

2108
02:10:20,640 --> 02:10:26,080
Speaker 1: managed to be incredibly racist yep, and like not understanding

2109
02:10:26,240 --> 02:10:28,520
Speaker 1: what racism actually is, which I mean is not surprising

2110
02:10:28,520 --> 02:10:31,240
Speaker 1: considering there they work for the Daily Wire. I'm not

2111
02:10:31,280 --> 02:10:33,280
Speaker 1: going to actually include the clip of Matt Walsh there

2112
02:10:33,280 --> 02:10:35,600
Speaker 1: because it's it's just it's just miss gendering and like

2113
02:10:35,720 --> 02:10:38,200
Speaker 1: making fun of how someone looks for like a minute,

2114
02:10:38,200 --> 02:10:41,200
Speaker 1: and it's all very gross. Who is that actress? I

2115
02:10:41,280 --> 02:10:44,040
Speaker 1: just I live under a rock. Dylan Mulvaney. I think

2116
02:10:44,080 --> 02:10:46,720
Speaker 1: she does like Broadway stuff. She's like a New York

2117
02:10:46,880 --> 02:10:50,440
Speaker 1: person I've not, I've only i've wholly really heard of her.

2118
02:10:50,520 --> 02:10:54,960
Speaker 1: Based on Matt Walsh's continuing rants against this person, we

2119
02:10:55,040 --> 02:11:00,240
Speaker 1: can't have cross stressors in the theater a matchin. We'd

2120
02:11:00,280 --> 02:11:03,160
Speaker 1: have to I actually don't know. I literally don't know

2121
02:11:03,200 --> 02:11:04,760
Speaker 1: how far back you'd have to get to get to

2122
02:11:04,840 --> 02:11:08,840
Speaker 1: where people didn't play with gender on stage. I think

2123
02:11:08,840 --> 02:11:12,080
Speaker 1: it's impossible. Well, I think the further back you go,

2124
02:11:12,160 --> 02:11:16,560
Speaker 1: the worsting guests, because like things were like only men

2125
02:11:16,640 --> 02:11:19,160
Speaker 1: could be on stage, and it's like, well, okay, this

2126
02:11:19,280 --> 02:11:23,240
Speaker 1: is every Shakespeare Beforeance, etcetera, etcetera. In one of the

2127
02:11:23,280 --> 02:11:27,600
Speaker 1: more bizarre Daily Wire appearances in this um so on

2128
02:11:27,760 --> 02:11:31,440
Speaker 1: on February fifteenth, a young dad who called into the

2129
02:11:31,520 --> 02:11:35,840
Speaker 1: Daily Wire sports show Crane on Company talked about how

2130
02:11:35,960 --> 02:11:39,840
Speaker 1: dad's like him are going to cause dangerous problems if

2131
02:11:39,920 --> 02:11:44,000
Speaker 1: trans inclusivity continues. The hosts of the show agreed and

2132
02:11:44,040 --> 02:11:47,040
Speaker 1: said that violence will be an inevitable response to trans

2133
02:11:47,080 --> 02:11:50,560
Speaker 1: women playing sports, which one of you bar up. But

2134
02:11:50,920 --> 02:11:54,600
Speaker 1: somebody said something about dad being in the stand finding

2135
02:11:54,600 --> 02:11:57,720
Speaker 1: out that for the first time that somebody in the

2136
02:11:57,720 --> 02:12:00,280
Speaker 1: locker room was a male, and that they were just

2137
02:12:00,320 --> 02:12:02,240
Speaker 1: hanging it all out in front of their girls, how

2138
02:12:02,280 --> 02:12:05,160
Speaker 1: I rate they would get. My view is that, yeah,

2139
02:12:05,240 --> 02:12:07,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna have not just one irate dad, We're gonna

2140
02:12:07,400 --> 02:12:09,000
Speaker 1: have a lot of I rate dads. That's gonna content

2141
02:12:09,080 --> 02:12:11,840
Speaker 1: massive problem in the school system, and it's going to

2142
02:12:11,880 --> 02:12:14,280
Speaker 1: be very dangerous for everybody because people are gonna start

2143
02:12:14,280 --> 02:12:15,800
Speaker 1: taking in their own hands because they're seeing that other

2144
02:12:15,840 --> 02:12:18,440
Speaker 1: people are. That's exactly jungle rules, as we call it,

2145
02:12:18,560 --> 02:12:22,920
Speaker 1: jungle rules. Exactly at what point do we say, we've

2146
02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:25,440
Speaker 1: tried to talk this out and hash this out with you,

2147
02:12:25,440 --> 02:12:28,600
Speaker 1: you're not being reasonable. Those are part of my values.

2148
02:12:28,720 --> 02:12:30,680
Speaker 1: So it's not even us saying go in there and

2149
02:12:30,760 --> 02:12:34,240
Speaker 1: handle business. It's saying, I know what's gonna happen the

2150
02:12:34,320 --> 02:12:36,400
Speaker 1: minute that girl runs out of that locker room or

2151
02:12:36,440 --> 02:12:38,960
Speaker 1: a couple girls. Imagine if a twelve year old girl

2152
02:12:39,040 --> 02:12:40,440
Speaker 1: ran out of the locker room and said that to

2153
02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:43,800
Speaker 1: her doll mine, just to imagine that how or whatever.

2154
02:12:43,840 --> 02:12:46,000
Speaker 1: Men shouldn't be in women's locker room. But if a

2155
02:12:46,080 --> 02:12:48,600
Speaker 1: man that was straight walked into a women's locker room

2156
02:12:48,600 --> 02:12:50,640
Speaker 1: with a trench coat and just showed everything and started

2157
02:12:50,680 --> 02:12:54,240
Speaker 1: shaking like this and got beatn asleep everybody would be

2158
02:12:54,320 --> 02:12:57,280
Speaker 1: doing this, they'd be clapping, great job. But you let

2159
02:12:57,320 --> 02:12:59,760
Speaker 1: the same thing happen to somebody who says they think

2160
02:12:59,800 --> 02:13:02,680
Speaker 1: they're a woman in there and does the exact same thing,

2161
02:13:02,920 --> 02:13:06,240
Speaker 1: then it's no, it's a totally different situation. So while

2162
02:13:06,280 --> 02:13:08,920
Speaker 1: we're not advocating for it, I'm telling you what's going

2163
02:13:08,960 --> 02:13:11,400
Speaker 1: to happen because I live in the real world. I

2164
02:13:11,480 --> 02:13:14,440
Speaker 1: know what you would do for your daughter. Yep, that

2165
02:13:14,520 --> 02:13:17,160
Speaker 1: man does not live in the real world. No, And

2166
02:13:17,280 --> 02:13:19,680
Speaker 1: it's it's all like, it's this weird like trying to

2167
02:13:19,920 --> 02:13:23,160
Speaker 1: have some form of like of a of of like

2168
02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:27,640
Speaker 1: denial in their very clear advocating for violence and like

2169
02:13:27,800 --> 02:13:32,120
Speaker 1: advocating for the normalization of just assaulting people. I mean,

2170
02:13:32,160 --> 02:13:33,640
Speaker 1: I even feel like though this is like, this is

2171
02:13:33,640 --> 02:13:36,600
Speaker 1: like last year's anti trans rhetoric, you know, the like

2172
02:13:36,720 --> 02:13:39,280
Speaker 1: lowest hanging fruit was to come at us about sports,

2173
02:13:39,320 --> 02:13:44,520
Speaker 1: this issue that affects the tiniest percentage of people, you know. Yeah,

2174
02:13:44,520 --> 02:13:46,680
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's the it's the blending of the

2175
02:13:46,720 --> 02:13:50,560
Speaker 1: sports issue with like the locker room stuff. Yeah. Later

2176
02:13:50,640 --> 02:13:54,440
Speaker 1: on in the show, another caller admitted that he would

2177
02:13:54,480 --> 02:13:58,880
Speaker 1: assault trans woman, including his own children. And The Daily

2178
02:13:58,920 --> 02:14:01,680
Speaker 1: Wirehouse refused to push back on like any of this

2179
02:14:01,920 --> 02:14:06,560
Speaker 1: as this man just advocates child abuse. And I just

2180
02:14:06,600 --> 02:14:09,080
Speaker 1: wanted to say too, as a as a new father,

2181
02:14:09,760 --> 02:14:12,400
Speaker 1: I've got a new baby boy, uh, and I've got

2182
02:14:12,440 --> 02:14:14,840
Speaker 1: a two year old daughter, And not only would I

2183
02:14:14,880 --> 02:14:17,360
Speaker 1: want to beat somebody up for doing that to my daughter,

2184
02:14:17,560 --> 02:14:19,320
Speaker 1: but I would beat my son up if he ever

2185
02:14:19,400 --> 02:14:22,080
Speaker 1: thought about doing something like that in a women's locker room.

2186
02:14:22,680 --> 02:14:25,760
Speaker 1: It's just again, and I want to make sure and again,

2187
02:14:25,760 --> 02:14:27,280
Speaker 1: we live in the real world. We know what's gonna

2188
02:14:27,280 --> 02:14:29,280
Speaker 1: happen because we're not even advocating violence, like I said,

2189
02:14:29,280 --> 02:14:31,280
Speaker 1: We're telling you what's gonna happen. These are the fathers

2190
02:14:31,520 --> 02:14:34,840
Speaker 1: and the brothers and the uncles and the mamas are

2191
02:14:35,000 --> 02:14:36,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna get to a point where they're just gonna

2192
02:14:36,440 --> 02:14:39,040
Speaker 1: handle business like and it's just it is. It is

2193
02:14:39,040 --> 02:14:40,440
Speaker 1: what it is. We're trying to tell y'all this in

2194
02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:44,240
Speaker 1: the threat, this it's just a four warning. It is

2195
02:14:44,280 --> 02:14:47,280
Speaker 1: foreshadowing what's gonna happen. British are coming. Yeah, okay, but

2196
02:14:47,280 --> 02:14:49,760
Speaker 1: but the British is coming. Is a really, really funny

2197
02:14:49,800 --> 02:14:54,960
Speaker 1: thing for an American to say about this because he's wait,

2198
02:14:55,080 --> 02:14:57,200
Speaker 1: is he saying that they're the British they're trying to

2199
02:14:57,240 --> 02:15:00,600
Speaker 1: do like a Paul Revere sing oh oh oh. I

2200
02:15:00,600 --> 02:15:02,560
Speaker 1: thought they were trying to be like, we're gonna show

2201
02:15:02,640 --> 02:15:05,120
Speaker 1: up and we're going to handle business us. No, I

2202
02:15:05,520 --> 02:15:08,920
Speaker 1: think in the opposite. I'm sorry, we are we are

2203
02:15:09,000 --> 02:15:12,160
Speaker 1: warning that if this insanity continues, then people will start

2204
02:15:12,280 --> 02:15:16,320
Speaker 1: violently assaulting anyone who they suspect of being a man

2205
02:15:16,440 --> 02:15:18,240
Speaker 1: in a bathroom, which will also just lead to like

2206
02:15:18,640 --> 02:15:21,680
Speaker 1: people assaulting like a like a butch sis woman as well.

2207
02:15:21,760 --> 02:15:24,600
Speaker 1: Like no, I mean, it's like this has already been happening,

2208
02:15:24,640 --> 02:15:28,440
Speaker 1: like like one of my friends can't get changed at

2209
02:15:28,480 --> 02:15:31,560
Speaker 1: the local gym um even though they're assigned female at birth,

2210
02:15:31,680 --> 02:15:34,200
Speaker 1: because there's no safe place for them to do it

2211
02:15:34,280 --> 02:15:37,080
Speaker 1: because the way that they read, you know, like and

2212
02:15:37,320 --> 02:15:39,200
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever. I mean, that's just one example

2213
02:15:39,200 --> 02:15:42,280
Speaker 1: of the time my head, but it's just happening constantly.

2214
02:15:42,680 --> 02:15:46,000
Speaker 1: Suddenly we have gender police everywhere, and everyone is expected

2215
02:15:46,040 --> 02:15:51,160
Speaker 1: to perform masculinity and femininity and like weird sis normative

2216
02:15:51,160 --> 02:15:54,440
Speaker 1: ways saying that everyone knows. I'm sorry, I'm just no, no,

2217
02:15:54,720 --> 02:15:56,720
Speaker 1: but I think there's something important about this too, which

2218
02:15:56,760 --> 02:16:00,320
Speaker 1: is like, and anytime someone tries to say, like anytime

2219
02:16:00,320 --> 02:16:02,320
Speaker 1: someone starts talking about their real world, this is the

2220
02:16:02,360 --> 02:16:06,360
Speaker 1: way the world really works. Right, That's not an actual

2221
02:16:07,240 --> 02:16:11,040
Speaker 1: description of reality. It's an it's an aspirational thing, right.

2222
02:16:11,080 --> 02:16:14,240
Speaker 1: And the way that you make something real is through violence. Yes,

2223
02:16:14,320 --> 02:16:17,320
Speaker 1: And that's what all this stuff is absolutely and and

2224
02:16:17,440 --> 02:16:21,200
Speaker 1: specifically speaking of violence and child abuse. The next day,

2225
02:16:21,240 --> 02:16:25,800
Speaker 1: on February sixteenth, Candice Owens was discussing this, uh, this

2226
02:16:25,880 --> 02:16:30,400
Speaker 1: like trans kids TikTok video about his grandmother's transphobic reaction

2227
02:16:30,480 --> 02:16:33,440
Speaker 1: to him coming out. Um, and it's it's also it's

2228
02:16:33,440 --> 02:16:37,760
Speaker 1: it's just extremely grows. So these like these media people

2229
02:16:37,800 --> 02:16:41,199
Speaker 1: who are paid millions of dollars spend their days making

2230
02:16:41,280 --> 02:16:44,560
Speaker 1: fun of trans kids on TikTok like like random like

2231
02:16:44,720 --> 02:16:48,000
Speaker 1: random miners on TikTok. We are making videos about their experiences.

2232
02:16:48,240 --> 02:16:51,640
Speaker 1: And they then these these like these grifters and these

2233
02:16:51,640 --> 02:16:54,760
Speaker 1: content creators who work on the right, it's like blast

2234
02:16:54,879 --> 02:16:57,000
Speaker 1: these kids on their on their on their shows. They

2235
02:16:57,040 --> 02:17:00,600
Speaker 1: get like millions of millions of viewers. I mean, this

2236
02:17:00,680 --> 02:17:03,920
Speaker 1: is the entire lips of TikTok platform. But yours now

2237
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:09,320
Speaker 1: seeing this across like almost every mainstream conservative influencer. So

2238
02:17:09,680 --> 02:17:14,039
Speaker 1: on top of Candice calling being trans a mental illness

2239
02:17:14,120 --> 02:17:17,760
Speaker 1: placed upon you by society, Candas Owns also said that

2240
02:17:17,800 --> 02:17:21,360
Speaker 1: if she had a trans grandchild, she would beat them

2241
02:17:21,360 --> 02:17:24,560
Speaker 1: with a cane. It is a cry for help, and

2242
02:17:24,640 --> 02:17:28,039
Speaker 1: your grandmother answered that cry for help by telling you

2243
02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:31,200
Speaker 1: that you are loved as you are and that you

2244
02:17:31,240 --> 02:17:34,160
Speaker 1: don't need to fall into this trap of insanity. You're

2245
02:17:34,160 --> 02:17:35,840
Speaker 1: the best grandma ever, by the way, because when I'm

2246
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:38,440
Speaker 1: a grandma, I get any foolishness like that. I don't know.

2247
02:17:39,360 --> 02:17:41,200
Speaker 1: I want to be a sweet grandma, I really do.

2248
02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:43,800
Speaker 1: I want to be a sweet old lady. But I

2249
02:17:43,840 --> 02:17:45,760
Speaker 1: feel like I might be the kind hit somebody with

2250
02:17:45,800 --> 02:17:47,200
Speaker 1: a cane. I don't know, I'll be like, why you

2251
02:17:47,280 --> 02:17:49,840
Speaker 1: are not calling your Michaels. I feel like that will

2252
02:17:49,879 --> 02:17:51,920
Speaker 1: probably be me, but I will I would have prayed

2253
02:17:51,920 --> 02:17:54,040
Speaker 1: for you. You know the thing that I keep thinking

2254
02:17:54,040 --> 02:17:56,200
Speaker 1: about with this, with this Candas clip, with most of

2255
02:17:56,200 --> 02:17:58,600
Speaker 1: these clips, it's like they're just like laughing the whole

2256
02:17:58,640 --> 02:18:01,400
Speaker 1: time they're saying this stuff. Yep, Like it's just a

2257
02:18:01,480 --> 02:18:03,879
Speaker 1: joke to them, right, It's like, yeah, they believe it.

2258
02:18:03,920 --> 02:18:05,440
Speaker 1: But it's also it's just like a joke. It's just

2259
02:18:05,440 --> 02:18:08,360
Speaker 1: something they can sort of like casually talk about while

2260
02:18:08,440 --> 02:18:12,200
Speaker 1: like you know, fucking hanging out in their show or whatever.

2261
02:18:13,200 --> 02:18:17,160
Speaker 1: And absolutely, because I mean the primary goal for these

2262
02:18:17,160 --> 02:18:21,600
Speaker 1: people is is content creation, and yeah, they're making suffering

2263
02:18:21,720 --> 02:18:26,080
Speaker 1: content for for and as well as like normalizing this

2264
02:18:26,120 --> 02:18:29,640
Speaker 1: type of like violent response. Yeah. And and I think

2265
02:18:29,760 --> 02:18:31,680
Speaker 1: I think the sort of joking thing is is a

2266
02:18:31,720 --> 02:18:34,360
Speaker 1: big part of how the normalization works. Like I don't think,

2267
02:18:34,959 --> 02:18:37,920
Speaker 1: like I think it would be much harder to have

2268
02:18:37,959 --> 02:18:41,360
Speaker 1: someone just being incredibly serious going like yeah, I'm gonna

2269
02:18:41,440 --> 02:18:44,520
Speaker 1: like beat my child with a cane, right, like if

2270
02:18:44,640 --> 02:18:45,840
Speaker 1: but if if you do, when that's sort of like

2271
02:18:45,920 --> 02:18:48,800
Speaker 1: joking like matter of fact thing, it helps, It helps

2272
02:18:48,920 --> 02:18:52,880
Speaker 1: normalize it enormously. Yeah. No, absolutely, I'm just really sad

2273
02:18:52,879 --> 02:18:56,880
Speaker 1: thinking about the because acceptance by family, a family that

2274
02:18:56,920 --> 02:18:59,480
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily understand, but that's willing to accept. It's like

2275
02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:03,960
Speaker 1: the thing that I think bolsters the spirits of young

2276
02:19:04,000 --> 02:19:07,120
Speaker 1: trans people or adult trans people more than anything else,

2277
02:19:07,240 --> 02:19:09,680
Speaker 1: you know. And I've been like reading a bunch of

2278
02:19:09,720 --> 02:19:12,120
Speaker 1: history about like trans people from one hundred years ago

2279
02:19:12,120 --> 02:19:15,240
Speaker 1: where their family are like, all right, well we don't

2280
02:19:15,280 --> 02:19:18,680
Speaker 1: get it, but what's your name now? Yeah, And like

2281
02:19:19,640 --> 02:19:23,959
Speaker 1: a hundred years ago, we we could have improved from there.

2282
02:19:24,959 --> 02:19:27,320
Speaker 1: And this is something that the Daily Wire definitely does

2283
02:19:27,800 --> 02:19:30,959
Speaker 1: continue to harp on across multiple hosts, even like the

2284
02:19:31,000 --> 02:19:34,760
Speaker 1: next video that we have here, Matt Matt Walsh is

2285
02:19:34,800 --> 02:19:36,760
Speaker 1: doing like this is the same thing they're they're talking

2286
02:19:36,800 --> 02:19:40,840
Speaker 1: about if they themselves had trans kids or trans grandkids,

2287
02:19:40,879 --> 02:19:46,200
Speaker 1: that they would continue to be as openly vitriolic and

2288
02:19:46,360 --> 02:19:52,480
Speaker 1: even violent against their own children. So this next clip

2289
02:19:52,640 --> 02:19:56,440
Speaker 1: came like a week after Matt Walsh's first unhinged rant

2290
02:19:56,480 --> 02:20:01,400
Speaker 1: attacking Dylan Muldaney. Walsh claimed that he wouldn't stop barking

2291
02:20:01,440 --> 02:20:04,320
Speaker 1: the vitriolic rhetoric if he had a trans kid, that

2292
02:20:04,400 --> 02:20:07,720
Speaker 1: in fact, he would quote rather be dead than discover

2293
02:20:07,920 --> 02:20:11,320
Speaker 1: he had a trans kid. A beautiful and innocent kid

2294
02:20:11,360 --> 02:20:14,520
Speaker 1: one day, seemingly out of nowhere, gets sucked into the

2295
02:20:14,560 --> 02:20:17,800
Speaker 1: gender call and is devoured by it. All of their

2296
02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:21,679
Speaker 1: innocence and light and beauty just drained out of them,

2297
02:20:21,720 --> 02:20:27,280
Speaker 1: replaced by this self cannibalizing madness. For a parent to

2298
02:20:27,360 --> 02:20:29,440
Speaker 1: see this happen to a child, it is a fate

2299
02:20:29,560 --> 02:20:32,800
Speaker 1: worse than death. I would rather be dead than have

2300
02:20:32,920 --> 02:20:37,360
Speaker 1: that happened to my kids, then die. We do argue

2301
02:20:37,400 --> 02:20:39,560
Speaker 1: with you. I'm not on the debate team. This is

2302
02:20:39,560 --> 02:20:43,320
Speaker 1: a mock trial. I keep thinking of whatever these things happened, Like,

2303
02:20:43,320 --> 02:20:46,360
Speaker 1: I keep thinking about Matt Christman's one good line, which

2304
02:20:46,400 --> 02:20:48,000
Speaker 1: is we should give to Christians what they want and

2305
02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:54,160
Speaker 1: crucify them, persecute, persecute all day, every day. So unfortunately,

2306
02:20:54,280 --> 02:20:57,200
Speaker 1: there was more to that clip than Walsh just threatening

2307
02:20:57,240 --> 02:21:01,600
Speaker 1: to kill himself using like a groomer and protect the

2308
02:21:01,680 --> 02:21:04,800
Speaker 1: children rhetoric that we saw go viral last year. Walsh

2309
02:21:04,800 --> 02:21:09,560
Speaker 1: promises that mean words are only the beginning. See, the

2310
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:13,160
Speaker 1: thing that I most despise about Dylan Wilvni is that

2311
02:21:13,400 --> 02:21:16,400
Speaker 1: part of a movement which actively seeks to turn my

2312
02:21:16,640 --> 02:21:21,200
Speaker 1: children into Dylan Wolvni. That's why I'm entitled to my

2313
02:21:21,240 --> 02:21:25,200
Speaker 1: anger and to whatever language I use to convey it.

2314
02:21:26,440 --> 02:21:29,400
Speaker 1: I will say whatever I want to say, and I

2315
02:21:29,440 --> 02:21:33,039
Speaker 1: will be justified in saying it, because these people are

2316
02:21:33,080 --> 02:21:38,320
Speaker 1: after my kids and yours and everyone else's. And you're

2317
02:21:38,320 --> 02:21:41,200
Speaker 1: worried that I'm being a little rude, Well, you see,

2318
02:21:41,400 --> 02:21:44,200
Speaker 1: when it comes to my children, the children that I

2319
02:21:44,320 --> 02:21:47,520
Speaker 1: cherish more than my own life. If you think mean

2320
02:21:47,680 --> 02:21:51,279
Speaker 1: words go too far, then you would be very shocked

2321
02:21:51,280 --> 02:21:53,920
Speaker 1: to hear how far I would really go to protect them.

2322
02:21:54,640 --> 02:21:57,680
Speaker 1: Trust me, words are the least of it. I love this.

2323
02:21:58,560 --> 02:22:02,120
Speaker 1: I would do anything to protect my children, unless they're

2324
02:22:02,160 --> 02:22:05,320
Speaker 1: a gay, in which case I'm good, like off myself

2325
02:22:05,400 --> 02:22:07,879
Speaker 1: or something like yeah, just I mean, I mean, I

2326
02:22:07,920 --> 02:22:13,119
Speaker 1: don't know whatever. Already the legally actionable things have already

2327
02:22:13,120 --> 02:22:17,160
Speaker 1: been said. Hey, it's it's not my idea, it's only

2328
02:22:17,200 --> 02:22:21,440
Speaker 1: Matt Walsh's. This is his idea. You know. I do

2329
02:22:21,560 --> 02:22:23,880
Speaker 1: want to go back for a second to the early

2330
02:22:23,959 --> 02:22:26,320
Speaker 1: parts of this clip when he's talking about like, oh,

2331
02:22:26,360 --> 02:22:28,360
Speaker 1: like you have these like purean innocent children, and like

2332
02:22:28,360 --> 02:22:30,440
Speaker 1: the light goes out of him, like it's this thing

2333
02:22:30,440 --> 02:22:32,959
Speaker 1: that strikes you about that so much? Is like she's

2334
02:22:33,040 --> 02:22:37,959
Speaker 1: describing the process exactly in reverse, Like the thing that

2335
02:22:38,000 --> 02:22:40,440
Speaker 1: he's describing is what is like, this is what happens

2336
02:22:40,440 --> 02:22:44,520
Speaker 1: if you do transition a kid like by force, Like

2337
02:22:44,680 --> 02:22:47,280
Speaker 1: the thing that actually happens when a trans kid transitions

2338
02:22:47,400 --> 02:22:49,880
Speaker 1: is like you can you can literally see this in

2339
02:22:50,000 --> 02:22:52,440
Speaker 1: like like you can you can like literally see this

2340
02:22:52,480 --> 02:22:55,040
Speaker 1: in pictures of kids. It's like like you can wash

2341
02:22:55,120 --> 02:22:59,680
Speaker 1: the light come back to their eyes as a transition totally. No, yeah, yeah,

2342
02:23:00,080 --> 02:23:01,680
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it's it's one of sort of

2343
02:23:01,840 --> 02:23:04,160
Speaker 1: like it's one of the most beautiful things about being

2344
02:23:04,200 --> 02:23:07,360
Speaker 1: trans It's like is experiencing that joy and experiencing like

2345
02:23:07,879 --> 02:23:09,480
Speaker 1: what it is to be yourself and then you get

2346
02:23:09,480 --> 02:23:14,200
Speaker 1: to watch this fucking dipshit like just literally just like

2347
02:23:14,720 --> 02:23:17,640
Speaker 1: taking the process as it actually happens, and then like

2348
02:23:17,760 --> 02:23:21,280
Speaker 1: lying and saying it's like literally like lying and saying

2349
02:23:21,280 --> 02:23:23,560
Speaker 1: that the thing that is making these people have this

2350
02:23:23,680 --> 02:23:27,000
Speaker 1: joy is the like the thing that's fucking killing them. No.

2351
02:23:27,280 --> 02:23:30,240
Speaker 1: Absolutely that that's something that's often overlooked when covering this

2352
02:23:30,320 --> 02:23:34,600
Speaker 1: sort of thing, is the like just the presence of

2353
02:23:34,760 --> 02:23:38,359
Speaker 1: trans joy and the trans joy that can be experienced

2354
02:23:38,400 --> 02:23:41,959
Speaker 1: when people are given access to the treatments that have

2355
02:23:42,040 --> 02:23:45,240
Speaker 1: been like known to be successful for decades now. It's

2356
02:23:45,280 --> 02:23:46,879
Speaker 1: also I mean, I don't know if you're intentionally going

2357
02:23:46,920 --> 02:23:49,360
Speaker 1: in an escalating sense. This is the first person that

2358
02:23:49,400 --> 02:23:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm looking at being like, oh, this man wants to

2359
02:23:52,600 --> 02:23:55,920
Speaker 1: kill me, you know I am I am going in

2360
02:23:55,920 --> 02:23:59,640
Speaker 1: an escalating Yeah, yeah, we escalate pretty far over the

2361
02:23:59,640 --> 02:24:02,560
Speaker 1: next First, I think let's let's have a bit of

2362
02:24:02,560 --> 02:24:05,800
Speaker 1: an ad break. Do you know who doesn't want to

2363
02:24:05,879 --> 02:24:10,160
Speaker 1: kill you? Fifty percent of the advertisers, at least at

2364
02:24:10,280 --> 02:24:12,920
Speaker 1: least fifty percent of the advertisers don't want you dead

2365
02:24:12,959 --> 02:24:16,400
Speaker 1: because instead they want your money. All right, we are back,

2366
02:24:17,480 --> 02:24:20,760
Speaker 1: as as previously stated, Like when when reporting on this

2367
02:24:20,800 --> 02:24:24,640
Speaker 1: topic before, we've always said that the limited focus on

2368
02:24:24,680 --> 02:24:30,560
Speaker 1: transgender miners was simply a form of rhetorical deception. Oh,

2369
02:24:30,920 --> 02:24:35,959
Speaker 1: somebody please think of the children. By conjuring concerns that

2370
02:24:36,040 --> 02:24:39,040
Speaker 1: have been like culturally ingrained in US around the protection

2371
02:24:39,040 --> 02:24:43,199
Speaker 1: of children, Anti transactivists have been introducing and a normalizing

2372
02:24:43,280 --> 02:24:47,279
Speaker 1: anti trans talking points that inevitably get used against trans

2373
02:24:47,320 --> 02:24:51,120
Speaker 1: people of all ages. Last year, Matt Walsh openly said

2374
02:24:51,160 --> 02:24:53,760
Speaker 1: that quote, it should be illegal for doctors to medically

2375
02:24:53,800 --> 02:24:59,840
Speaker 1: transition anyone of any age unquote. And as Margaret said,

2376
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:01,520
Speaker 1: it seems like we were we were moving in a

2377
02:25:01,560 --> 02:25:05,120
Speaker 1: more escalating direction, but that that just so happens to

2378
02:25:05,160 --> 02:25:09,560
Speaker 1: corresponds as the month of February continued. So here's a

2379
02:25:09,560 --> 02:25:12,560
Speaker 1: clip from Daily Wire host Michael Knowles from the late

2380
02:25:12,600 --> 02:25:16,320
Speaker 1: February twenty twenty three. In order for women to have

2381
02:25:16,360 --> 02:25:18,680
Speaker 1: the right to have their own bathrooms, you have to

2382
02:25:18,720 --> 02:25:23,320
Speaker 1: ban transgenderism entirely. You can't just ban it for the kids.

2383
02:25:23,320 --> 02:25:25,400
Speaker 1: It's got to be entirely. In order for women to

2384
02:25:25,400 --> 02:25:27,400
Speaker 1: be able to have their own locker rooms at the gym,

2385
02:25:27,480 --> 02:25:32,320
Speaker 1: you have to ban transgenderism entirely. In order to protect

2386
02:25:32,360 --> 02:25:37,680
Speaker 1: businesses from having to participate in weird occult sexual rituals

2387
02:25:37,720 --> 02:25:43,400
Speaker 1: like the transgender transition, you have to ban transgenderism entirely.

2388
02:25:44,240 --> 02:25:49,080
Speaker 1: So that is just like straight up advocating for genocide, right, Like, yeah,

2389
02:25:48,800 --> 02:25:52,840
Speaker 1: there there is no difference between this term that the

2390
02:25:52,920 --> 02:25:58,480
Speaker 1: daily Wire people use, transgenderism and and currently existing transgender people.

2391
02:25:58,560 --> 02:26:01,160
Speaker 1: That that isn't you It's like saying, we have to

2392
02:26:01,160 --> 02:26:04,200
Speaker 1: eradicate judaism, Like what what is it? What do you

2393
02:26:04,280 --> 02:26:08,040
Speaker 1: mean by that? You obviously mean exterminating human beings and

2394
02:26:08,160 --> 02:26:11,039
Speaker 1: making it impossible for them to continue on? Like that

2395
02:26:11,160 --> 02:26:13,600
Speaker 1: is that? That is what genocide is? Yeah, and you

2396
02:26:13,600 --> 02:26:15,720
Speaker 1: can hear me like literally the next thing he says

2397
02:26:15,920 --> 02:26:18,400
Speaker 1: is like you know, he's talking about like like transition

2398
02:26:18,440 --> 02:26:20,440
Speaker 1: angas and the cult ritual or whatever the fuck it.

2399
02:26:20,400 --> 02:26:23,000
Speaker 1: It's like well, yeah, no, like like he's he's explicitly saying,

2400
02:26:23,800 --> 02:26:27,560
Speaker 1: like what what Yeah, what does banning transgenderism means? Does it? Never?

2401
02:26:27,640 --> 02:26:30,240
Speaker 1: Like confuse you all when you just have these moments

2402
02:26:30,240 --> 02:26:34,160
Speaker 1: where you're like, these people believe in sky Daddy. Like

2403
02:26:34,200 --> 02:26:36,959
Speaker 1: I'm not even anti religious, I'm not even an atheist.

2404
02:26:37,080 --> 02:26:39,760
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what I am. But like when

2405
02:26:39,760 --> 02:26:43,520
Speaker 1: you hear people just being like God has willed me

2406
02:26:43,600 --> 02:26:46,840
Speaker 1: to do this murder or whatever, that this is what

2407
02:26:46,840 --> 02:26:49,080
Speaker 1: this person is saying, I'm just like they think of

2408
02:26:49,080 --> 02:26:51,879
Speaker 1: themselves as like holy warriors who have been chosen by

2409
02:26:51,959 --> 02:26:57,720
Speaker 1: God to eradicate this demonic plague that is infecting like humankind. Yeah,

2410
02:26:57,800 --> 02:27:01,400
Speaker 1: it would be like if all of the sudden they

2411
02:27:01,400 --> 02:27:04,600
Speaker 1: were like, and that's why Gandolf has told me that

2412
02:27:04,720 --> 02:27:07,120
Speaker 1: I must go on a quest. Like I'm just like,

2413
02:27:07,560 --> 02:27:10,040
Speaker 1: am I living in the same century as these people?

2414
02:27:10,160 --> 02:27:14,600
Speaker 1: Like again, not an atheist, but I'm just like you've

2415
02:27:14,640 --> 02:27:17,800
Speaker 1: decided that sky Daddy has told you to march off

2416
02:27:17,840 --> 02:27:21,920
Speaker 1: to murder, Like yeah, that doesn't even map to a

2417
02:27:22,120 --> 02:27:28,119
Speaker 1: fucking basic understanding even of religious anyway. Sorry, no, absolutely,

2418
02:27:28,160 --> 02:27:33,520
Speaker 1: And I mean this unfortunately continues to get worse Yeah.

2419
02:27:33,560 --> 02:27:36,760
Speaker 1: The very next day, Michael Knowles defended his eliminationis rhetoric

2420
02:27:36,840 --> 02:27:40,280
Speaker 1: in another unhinged rant about the like probably about two

2421
02:27:40,320 --> 02:27:43,400
Speaker 1: million trans people in the United States, saying that quote,

2422
02:27:43,560 --> 02:27:47,120
Speaker 1: there can't be a genocide of trans people because it's quote,

2423
02:27:47,400 --> 02:27:51,400
Speaker 1: not a legitimate category of being. They said that I

2424
02:27:51,480 --> 02:27:58,280
Speaker 1: was calling for the extermination of transgender people. They said

2425
02:27:58,320 --> 02:28:01,080
Speaker 1: I was calling for a genocide. I said, what, I

2426
02:28:01,160 --> 02:28:02,879
Speaker 1: must have missed that part of my show. When did

2427
02:28:02,920 --> 02:28:07,080
Speaker 1: I did? I say that? I don't one. I don't

2428
02:28:07,120 --> 02:28:11,040
Speaker 1: know how you could have a genocide of transgender people

2429
02:28:12,040 --> 02:28:17,360
Speaker 1: because genocide refers to genes, It refers to genetics, it

2430
02:28:17,400 --> 02:28:21,440
Speaker 1: refers to biology, and the point of those genderism is

2431
02:28:21,480 --> 02:28:24,360
Speaker 1: that it has nothing to do with biology. That's what

2432
02:28:24,440 --> 02:28:28,240
Speaker 1: the transgender activists say. They say, forget about biological sex.

2433
02:28:28,520 --> 02:28:31,520
Speaker 1: My gender expression doesn't have to have anything to do

2434
02:28:31,640 --> 02:28:33,920
Speaker 1: with my biological sex. Okay, well, then there can't be

2435
02:28:33,959 --> 02:28:38,120
Speaker 1: a genocide. It refers to genetics. But furthermore, nobody is

2436
02:28:38,120 --> 02:28:40,959
Speaker 1: calling to exterminate anybody, because the other problem with that

2437
02:28:42,120 --> 02:28:49,080
Speaker 1: statement is that transgender people is not a real ontological category.

2438
02:28:49,200 --> 02:28:54,320
Speaker 1: It's not a legitimate category of being. There are people

2439
02:28:54,360 --> 02:28:57,279
Speaker 1: who think that they're the wrong sex, but they're mistaken.

2440
02:28:57,560 --> 02:29:01,039
Speaker 1: They're laboring under a delusion, and so we need to

2441
02:29:01,080 --> 02:29:04,560
Speaker 1: correct that delusion. Okay, so that was that was a lot.

2442
02:29:04,800 --> 02:29:08,480
Speaker 1: I'm just clinging to my emotional support sword, Like, what

2443
02:29:08,480 --> 02:29:12,880
Speaker 1: what solution to preytel will you be employing to correct

2444
02:29:13,000 --> 02:29:16,360
Speaker 1: that's so called delusion? Maybe just like one one once,

2445
02:29:16,640 --> 02:29:19,200
Speaker 1: like a like one one of the last one, Yeah,

2446
02:29:19,680 --> 02:29:23,000
Speaker 1: a fal one. Not the penultimate solution, that's not his

2447
02:29:23,000 --> 02:29:27,120
Speaker 1: his thing. No one step further the the very the

2448
02:29:27,280 --> 02:29:29,440
Speaker 1: very last one. I can't think of a of a

2449
02:29:29,640 --> 02:29:32,320
Speaker 1: of a of another word for for for very last.

2450
02:29:32,440 --> 02:29:36,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, I also like, have these motherfucker's karrotyped themselves?

2451
02:29:36,600 --> 02:29:40,200
Speaker 1: No one has almost no one has been goddamn like

2452
02:29:40,240 --> 02:29:44,280
Speaker 1: the percentage of people who've seen what their genes are like,

2453
02:29:45,240 --> 02:29:47,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, whatever, sense it's nonsense. Yeah, the the

2454
02:29:47,760 --> 02:29:50,800
Speaker 1: science does not hold up to the like thing you

2455
02:29:50,879 --> 02:29:53,400
Speaker 1: learn in fourth grade that the you know, I don't

2456
02:29:53,440 --> 02:29:55,320
Speaker 1: know when they teach you xx and x y or whatever.

2457
02:29:55,360 --> 02:29:58,040
Speaker 1: But it's like, but like that's not science. That's not

2458
02:29:58,080 --> 02:30:00,920
Speaker 1: the current scientific understanding, and I think has never really

2459
02:30:00,959 --> 02:30:02,959
Speaker 1: been the scientific understanding. That part I'm not as certain

2460
02:30:03,000 --> 02:30:06,760
Speaker 1: about um no, I mean like it's and by saying

2461
02:30:07,000 --> 02:30:09,560
Speaker 1: like I'm not calling for genocide because the group I'm

2462
02:30:09,560 --> 02:30:11,560
Speaker 1: targeting aren't even a real group of people, They're not

2463
02:30:11,600 --> 02:30:14,720
Speaker 1: even literally it's literally the talking point of every single

2464
02:30:14,800 --> 02:30:17,800
Speaker 1: genocide or fascist ever in existence. So like like literally

2465
02:30:17,879 --> 02:30:20,600
Speaker 1: literally this is I can't I cannot find the person

2466
02:30:20,600 --> 02:30:23,560
Speaker 1: who was writing about this. I apologize immensely. But there

2467
02:30:23,600 --> 02:30:25,640
Speaker 1: when when when this clip was first circulating, there was

2468
02:30:25,680 --> 02:30:29,039
Speaker 1: a really interesting article about that was circulating about how

2469
02:30:29,520 --> 02:30:33,480
Speaker 1: like not a legitimate category is what like the word

2470
02:30:34,000 --> 02:30:37,160
Speaker 1: that gets translated as degenerate like that the Nazis used

2471
02:30:37,320 --> 02:30:40,680
Speaker 1: like actually means like like that's like non legitimate kind

2472
02:30:40,879 --> 02:30:44,360
Speaker 1: like like that very specifically is what the Nazis used

2473
02:30:45,120 --> 02:30:47,720
Speaker 1: as like you know, as as they're staying for we

2474
02:30:47,760 --> 02:30:49,760
Speaker 1: need to kill the Jews, right like that, that's that's

2475
02:30:49,800 --> 02:30:52,480
Speaker 1: that's very very specifically what they were doing now and

2476
02:30:52,480 --> 02:30:57,119
Speaker 1: and like genocide does not refer to genetics, it doesn't.

2477
02:30:57,480 --> 02:30:59,240
Speaker 1: And and and you know, you know you can you can

2478
02:30:59,280 --> 02:31:02,160
Speaker 1: look at like think because like these people are like

2479
02:31:02,400 --> 02:31:06,680
Speaker 1: just unfathomably fucking stupid, right like they they they look

2480
02:31:06,680 --> 02:31:09,640
Speaker 1: at genocide, right and they see the word gen and

2481
02:31:09,680 --> 02:31:13,440
Speaker 1: they go, this means gen No. But you know, and

2482
02:31:13,520 --> 02:31:16,320
Speaker 1: I think, I think something that is worth mentioning is that.

2483
02:31:17,080 --> 02:31:21,240
Speaker 1: So Raphael Lemkin is the guy who coins the term genocide, right, Um,

2484
02:31:21,840 --> 02:31:25,240
Speaker 1: the Lemkin Institute, which is the the like the lempicin Scitude,

2485
02:31:25,240 --> 02:31:27,720
Speaker 1: which is the institute from this guy that that does

2486
02:31:27,800 --> 02:31:31,720
Speaker 1: genoisde like does anti genocide prevention works specifically in the US.

2487
02:31:31,879 --> 02:31:33,800
Speaker 1: Was like there was now a risk of genocide against

2488
02:31:33,800 --> 02:31:37,320
Speaker 1: trans people. So, you know, the institute of the actual

2489
02:31:37,400 --> 02:31:40,600
Speaker 1: guy who made the term genocide versus a guy who

2490
02:31:40,640 --> 02:31:45,600
Speaker 1: thinks that gen means gene. It's like, it's just no,

2491
02:31:45,680 --> 02:31:49,120
Speaker 1: It's it's very obvious that that saying that transgender people

2492
02:31:49,120 --> 02:31:53,520
Speaker 1: are not a real ontological category is like he's doing

2493
02:31:54,200 --> 02:31:56,520
Speaker 1: He's literally is how you do the Nazis did That

2494
02:31:56,640 --> 02:32:00,240
Speaker 1: is how you do Nazi stuff. Like I'm under the

2495
02:32:00,240 --> 02:32:02,240
Speaker 1: impression of the whole thing with ontology is accepting that

2496
02:32:02,280 --> 02:32:06,279
Speaker 1: there's like multiple ontologies, Like it's clearly not an ontological

2497
02:32:06,320 --> 02:32:09,280
Speaker 1: concept in his ontological like his way of viewing the world.

2498
02:32:09,920 --> 02:32:12,760
Speaker 1: That's one of my problems, you know, I don't think

2499
02:32:12,760 --> 02:32:15,640
Speaker 1: he would pass a basic philosophy of course at college.

2500
02:32:15,640 --> 02:32:17,520
Speaker 1: You know, okay, I will say this, my my, my,

2501
02:32:17,520 --> 02:32:21,600
Speaker 1: my argument against against specifically against there being multiple legitimate

2502
02:32:21,640 --> 02:32:24,960
Speaker 1: ontologies is this is this these people's fucking ontology who

2503
02:32:25,040 --> 02:32:28,360
Speaker 1: like believe that, like these people, all these fucking freaks

2504
02:32:28,440 --> 02:32:32,040
Speaker 1: literally believe individually right, that there is no scientific explanation

2505
02:32:32,040 --> 02:32:34,600
Speaker 1: for lightning and that like every act of lightning is

2506
02:32:34,640 --> 02:32:38,279
Speaker 1: an individual act of God, that is not a legitimate ontology.

2507
02:32:38,440 --> 02:32:42,039
Speaker 1: Like fuck that shit. No, I I refuse, I refuse

2508
02:32:42,760 --> 02:32:45,880
Speaker 1: to do fucking to have to have to have there

2509
02:32:45,920 --> 02:32:48,760
Speaker 1: be fucking multiple valid ontological positions. I refuse for there

2510
02:32:48,800 --> 02:32:53,440
Speaker 1: to be valid worlds like no, there's something that are

2511
02:32:53,560 --> 02:32:55,520
Speaker 1: just wrong, and you have to be able to say

2512
02:32:55,560 --> 02:32:59,520
Speaker 1: that shit otherwise you get this fucking bullshit reality tunnels

2513
02:32:59,600 --> 02:33:04,560
Speaker 1: do do be funny like that? He later added quote

2514
02:33:04,720 --> 02:33:08,400
Speaker 1: transgenderism ultimately is a lie, It's a deception. It is

2515
02:33:08,400 --> 02:33:11,920
Speaker 1: a fraud. Fraud is not protected by the First Amendment.

2516
02:33:12,360 --> 02:33:15,480
Speaker 1: Fraud is not a category protected by the principles of

2517
02:33:15,520 --> 02:33:19,360
Speaker 1: a free speech. You have no right to fraud. But

2518
02:33:19,560 --> 02:33:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, here's the thing, I will I will agree

2519
02:33:21,640 --> 02:33:23,280
Speaker 1: with him. You have no right to fraud. Fraud is

2520
02:33:23,280 --> 02:33:28,400
Speaker 1: not protected by free speech. I really like have have

2521
02:33:28,560 --> 02:33:30,680
Speaker 1: a real fun time when we fucking come for you

2522
02:33:30,720 --> 02:33:36,360
Speaker 1: on those principles, like a show disappears a few days

2523
02:33:36,440 --> 02:33:39,560
Speaker 1: of A few days later, Noles once again invoked grooma

2524
02:33:39,600 --> 02:33:44,800
Speaker 1: rhetoric and openly called drag Queen's pedophiles and explicitly called

2525
02:33:44,840 --> 02:33:48,119
Speaker 1: on quote the heavy hand of the state to shut

2526
02:33:48,200 --> 02:33:52,000
Speaker 1: down to drag shows and arrest performers and parents. Why

2527
02:33:52,120 --> 02:33:56,480
Speaker 1: is he dressed like um mister Rogers in a Black

2528
02:33:56,560 --> 02:34:02,920
Speaker 1: Marre episode. He's just he's just mirror universe. Mister Rogers's

2529
02:34:03,000 --> 02:34:05,280
Speaker 1: like just telling you to hate your neighbor. You know,

2530
02:34:07,879 --> 02:34:09,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can watch this and not

2531
02:34:10,080 --> 02:34:13,720
Speaker 1: conclude that the performers are pedophiles. I don't use that

2532
02:34:13,760 --> 02:34:15,080
Speaker 1: word lightly. I know a lot of people on the

2533
02:34:15,160 --> 02:34:16,760
Speaker 1: right use that word. They fling it around, and they

2534
02:34:16,840 --> 02:34:19,800
Speaker 1: use it in precisely. I don't see how you can

2535
02:34:19,920 --> 02:34:22,760
Speaker 1: dance around in a thong or in a leather harness

2536
02:34:22,879 --> 02:34:25,400
Speaker 1: in front of babies and toddlers if you are not

2537
02:34:25,440 --> 02:34:29,040
Speaker 1: a pedophile. So I would bet if not the farm,

2538
02:34:29,040 --> 02:34:31,440
Speaker 1: I'd bet a lot of my money that that's the case,

2539
02:34:31,520 --> 02:34:34,840
Speaker 1: and that's being normalized. I don't see how these parents

2540
02:34:34,879 --> 02:34:38,680
Speaker 1: should be permitted to keep their children. They're abusing your children,

2541
02:34:38,680 --> 02:34:41,240
Speaker 1: are sexually abusing your children by taking them to these events.

2542
02:34:41,600 --> 02:34:44,240
Speaker 1: I don't see how whatever company is hosting this should

2543
02:34:44,240 --> 02:34:46,720
Speaker 1: be allowed to keep its doors open. All of this

2544
02:34:46,760 --> 02:34:49,320
Speaker 1: should be shut down by the heavy hand of the state.

2545
02:34:49,879 --> 02:34:52,560
Speaker 1: All of these people other than the children should be arrested,

2546
02:34:53,240 --> 02:34:56,640
Speaker 1: and some of them should face pretty severe consequences. Not

2547
02:34:57,160 --> 02:35:00,840
Speaker 1: great stuff. He did hedge his bets. He was like,

2548
02:35:01,040 --> 02:35:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, I'm actually not sure about this. That was

2549
02:35:03,480 --> 02:35:06,600
Speaker 1: my favorite part. I think it is. It is interesting

2550
02:35:06,640 --> 02:35:10,960
Speaker 1: that the whole heavy hand of the state line is

2551
02:35:09,879 --> 02:35:14,600
Speaker 1: is is an interesting, little little unique gem in their

2552
02:35:14,640 --> 02:35:17,160
Speaker 1: style of rhetoric whenever they explicitly call on the powers

2553
02:35:17,160 --> 02:35:20,879
Speaker 1: of the government to like do fascism. I think a

2554
02:35:20,920 --> 02:35:22,760
Speaker 1: lot of this type of rhetoric was leading up to

2555
02:35:22,840 --> 02:35:27,120
Speaker 1: Sea Pack in which happened in early March. During Seapack,

2556
02:35:27,160 --> 02:35:30,360
Speaker 1: anti trans rhetoric was a very central theme across There

2557
02:35:30,360 --> 02:35:33,440
Speaker 1: are many speakers. That's like the big right wing gathering

2558
02:35:33,480 --> 02:35:35,959
Speaker 1: where all the far right people get together and talk

2559
02:35:36,040 --> 02:35:39,680
Speaker 1: to an empty room. Well, Seapack is the Conservative political

2560
02:35:39,720 --> 02:35:44,080
Speaker 1: action conference. It is far right by the world's over

2561
02:35:44,120 --> 02:35:47,039
Speaker 1: to the window. But it's like a mainstream right wing

2562
02:35:47,080 --> 02:35:51,120
Speaker 1: convention in the United States. Cool. So the conference featured

2563
02:35:51,120 --> 02:35:54,840
Speaker 1: in a rave speakers, including prominent Republican politicians and policymakers,

2564
02:35:55,080 --> 02:35:57,000
Speaker 1: as well as people like Michael Knowles who are just

2565
02:35:57,040 --> 02:36:01,920
Speaker 1: like right wing pundits. The many many speeches had attacks

2566
02:36:01,959 --> 02:36:07,000
Speaker 1: against gender affirming healthcare, trans inclusive sports, and bathroom policies,

2567
02:36:07,280 --> 02:36:10,080
Speaker 1: as well as the you know, the typical groomer and

2568
02:36:10,080 --> 02:36:14,200
Speaker 1: and pedophelia stuff that we saw gets super popular last year. Um,

2569
02:36:14,320 --> 02:36:19,800
Speaker 1: as well as framing this word transgenderism as a radical ideology. Now,

2570
02:36:20,360 --> 02:36:24,920
Speaker 1: words like transgenderism and gender ideology are not actually terms

2571
02:36:24,959 --> 02:36:29,440
Speaker 1: that trans people use. These were terms invented by anti transactivists.

2572
02:36:29,840 --> 02:36:31,680
Speaker 1: I want to be very certific about this because I

2573
02:36:31,680 --> 02:36:35,120
Speaker 1: think I don't think people understand the term gender ideology

2574
02:36:35,160 --> 02:36:39,119
Speaker 1: was specifically invented by the Catholic Church, like as as

2575
02:36:39,160 --> 02:36:41,160
Speaker 1: as a thing to oppose this and also a sort

2576
02:36:41,160 --> 02:36:42,960
Speaker 1: of a way to oppose like gay marriage and like

2577
02:36:43,040 --> 02:36:46,800
Speaker 1: queerness in general. And they're all of the fucking all

2578
02:36:46,840 --> 02:36:49,440
Speaker 1: of the like shitty, like one of the one of

2579
02:36:49,440 --> 02:36:52,160
Speaker 1: those sort of like quote unquote like dark secrets in

2580
02:36:52,200 --> 02:36:53,920
Speaker 1: the fucking closet of all of the black people who

2581
02:36:53,920 --> 02:36:56,960
Speaker 1: claim to be radical feminists who are anti trans is.

2582
02:36:57,000 --> 02:36:59,800
Speaker 1: All of these people specifically worked with the back back

2583
02:37:00,040 --> 02:37:01,560
Speaker 1: this up was first being developed in like the late

2584
02:37:01,600 --> 02:37:04,160
Speaker 1: nineties and early two thousands. All these people worked with

2585
02:37:04,200 --> 02:37:08,440
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church specifically to make sure that I like

2586
02:37:08,680 --> 02:37:11,119
Speaker 1: that that that more sort of liked more gender inclusive

2587
02:37:11,160 --> 02:37:13,039
Speaker 1: like terminology and stuff like not on a terminology like

2588
02:37:13,040 --> 02:37:16,920
Speaker 1: more gender and preclusive programs and definitions of like of

2589
02:37:16,920 --> 02:37:20,280
Speaker 1: what gender is wouldn't be implemented at the un. So

2590
02:37:20,720 --> 02:37:24,600
Speaker 1: this this sort of like rad fem conservative Catholic alliance

2591
02:37:24,760 --> 02:37:28,400
Speaker 1: is very old, and most of the people who are

2592
02:37:28,400 --> 02:37:30,360
Speaker 1: in it will deny that that's what they were doing,

2593
02:37:30,400 --> 02:37:32,400
Speaker 1: but it is like, this is this is Catholic Church ship.

2594
02:37:32,520 --> 02:37:36,560
Speaker 1: The Pope literally had a rant about how gender ideology

2595
02:37:36,640 --> 02:37:41,320
Speaker 1: was colonialism like like a week ago, like and and

2596
02:37:41,480 --> 02:37:44,640
Speaker 1: and the Pope does the same demonic rhetoric as these people.

2597
02:37:45,040 --> 02:37:47,119
Speaker 1: And I mean, yeah, so I believe this terms him.

2598
02:37:48,240 --> 02:37:51,000
Speaker 1: It makes sense from him. That's his that's his thing,

2599
02:37:51,600 --> 02:37:56,360
Speaker 1: that's his literal job. Yeah, which immediately also it's like, sir,

2600
02:37:56,680 --> 02:38:01,440
Speaker 1: you are the pope, like, shut the fuck up about colonization, man, Like, yeah,

2601
02:38:02,000 --> 02:38:04,280
Speaker 1: you know from Latin America. That doesn't excuse you, like

2602
02:38:04,520 --> 02:38:08,920
Speaker 1: the Cash Church. The Catholic Church famously never never, never

2603
02:38:09,040 --> 02:38:12,600
Speaker 1: done colonization. Um. But yeah, these words were invented by

2604
02:38:12,640 --> 02:38:16,400
Speaker 1: anti transactivists to the humanized transgender people and frame being

2605
02:38:16,480 --> 02:38:20,879
Speaker 1: trans as itself this dangerous ideology or a mental illness

2606
02:38:21,000 --> 02:38:25,640
Speaker 1: in a need of curing m Seapack speakers consistently invoked

2607
02:38:25,680 --> 02:38:29,640
Speaker 1: like grooming and pedophilia stuff in their In their long

2608
02:38:29,760 --> 02:38:33,920
Speaker 1: anti LGBTQ hate rants, um Lauren Bobert claimed that educators

2609
02:38:33,920 --> 02:38:37,160
Speaker 1: attempting to groom children, echoing the libs of TikTok stuff

2610
02:38:37,200 --> 02:38:39,640
Speaker 1: that got popular in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two.

2611
02:38:40,240 --> 02:38:43,760
Speaker 1: Tulsi Gabbard was at Seapack. She basically claimed at LGBTQ

2612
02:38:43,840 --> 02:38:47,120
Speaker 1: plus people were trying to gain acceptance for pedophiles by

2613
02:38:47,160 --> 02:38:50,720
Speaker 1: labeling them as minor attracted persons and allowing them to

2614
02:38:50,760 --> 02:38:53,400
Speaker 1: teach in schools. This is another conspiracy theory that Libs

2615
02:38:53,400 --> 02:38:56,480
Speaker 1: of TikTok has boosted for a long time. By the way,

2616
02:38:56,520 --> 02:38:58,920
Speaker 1: I want to hold a fucking greed share, which is

2617
02:38:58,959 --> 02:39:00,240
Speaker 1: that there were a lot of people who who like

2618
02:39:00,360 --> 02:39:02,920
Speaker 1: claimed to be leftist, who in like twenty eighteen, twenty nine,

2619
02:39:03,040 --> 02:39:06,000
Speaker 1: twenty and twenty were like telling all of us that

2620
02:39:06,240 --> 02:39:10,160
Speaker 1: Tulsi Gabbard was a leftists, like the only anti very

2621
02:39:10,200 --> 02:39:13,240
Speaker 1: clearly a fascist walk like she she she like, no,

2622
02:39:13,480 --> 02:39:16,360
Speaker 1: fuck off, you were wrong, Please admit you were wrong.

2623
02:39:16,800 --> 02:39:19,119
Speaker 1: Please be more careful about who you're going to fucking

2624
02:39:19,160 --> 02:39:23,480
Speaker 1: back so you don't end up backing this fucking like

2625
02:39:24,720 --> 02:39:28,360
Speaker 1: weird peto jacketing dipshit. But you know who you should back.

2626
02:39:30,400 --> 02:39:34,200
Speaker 1: Oh god, not yet, not yet almost almost okay, oh

2627
02:39:34,240 --> 02:39:38,120
Speaker 1: not almost almost time? Sorry, I have abot planned. Um

2628
02:39:38,320 --> 02:39:41,039
Speaker 1: Matt Gates spoke about an instant in Virginia which the

2629
02:39:41,120 --> 02:39:43,800
Speaker 1: right wing media sphere has spread disinformation about to falsely

2630
02:39:43,840 --> 02:39:45,959
Speaker 1: frame it as an instance of a transit student abusing

2631
02:39:46,040 --> 02:39:49,920
Speaker 1: inclusive bathroom policies to attack young girls. Just spreading all

2632
02:39:50,000 --> 02:39:54,040
Speaker 1: kinds of misinformation and disinformation from these right wing hate websites,

2633
02:39:54,120 --> 02:39:56,760
Speaker 1: that that is why they exist, is to prop by

2634
02:39:56,760 --> 02:40:00,520
Speaker 1: gate disinformation. Um Marjor Taylor Green target agenda from healthcare,

2635
02:40:00,760 --> 02:40:03,960
Speaker 1: praising her current reintroduction of the twenty twenty two protect

2636
02:40:04,200 --> 02:40:07,040
Speaker 1: Children's Innocence Act in the House, a bill which would

2637
02:40:07,080 --> 02:40:09,120
Speaker 1: make it a felony to provide a gender affirming care

2638
02:40:09,120 --> 02:40:13,000
Speaker 1: to miners. Green spread the lies and disinformation made popular

2639
02:40:13,000 --> 02:40:16,240
Speaker 1: by Matt Walsh that gender affirming healthcare designed to quote

2640
02:40:16,320 --> 02:40:19,840
Speaker 1: mutilate your kids and quote chemically castrate them. Stuff that

2641
02:40:19,879 --> 02:40:23,520
Speaker 1: we've debunked on the show before and many others have debunked.

2642
02:40:25,120 --> 02:40:30,400
Speaker 1: Trump gave a pretty pretty bad transphobic speech to close

2643
02:40:30,400 --> 02:40:33,360
Speaker 1: out the conference. On the one side, he said that

2644
02:40:33,600 --> 02:40:37,320
Speaker 1: he would keep men out of women's sports, but then

2645
02:40:37,600 --> 02:40:40,520
Speaker 1: closed out to see pack by saying, quote, he would

2646
02:40:40,840 --> 02:40:45,240
Speaker 1: revoke every Biden policy promoting the sexual mutilation and chemical

2647
02:40:45,240 --> 02:40:48,280
Speaker 1: castration of our youth, and I will ask Congress to

2648
02:40:48,320 --> 02:40:51,880
Speaker 1: send me a bill prohibiting child sexual mutilation in all

2649
02:40:51,959 --> 02:40:56,640
Speaker 1: fifty states unquote. I don't want to include Trump's stuff

2650
02:40:56,640 --> 02:41:00,520
Speaker 1: here because I find his voice to be slightly annoying. Anyway,

2651
02:41:01,800 --> 02:41:06,320
Speaker 1: Moving off, Donald Trump more annoying than Michael Knowles. Shocking

2652
02:41:06,879 --> 02:41:11,960
Speaker 1: so hard, challenge level almost impossible. Speaking of Michael Knowles,

2653
02:41:12,680 --> 02:41:16,440
Speaker 1: he gave a speeches Sepack where he advocated that transgenderism

2654
02:41:16,720 --> 02:41:20,920
Speaker 1: must be eradicated to thunderous applause. Now I'm going to

2655
02:41:20,959 --> 02:41:24,200
Speaker 1: play this whole clip here. Bear with me. There can

2656
02:41:24,240 --> 02:41:28,120
Speaker 1: be no middle way in dealing with transgenderism. It is

2657
02:41:28,240 --> 02:41:32,560
Speaker 1: all or nothing. If transgenderism is true, if men really

2658
02:41:32,600 --> 02:41:36,640
Speaker 1: can become women, then it's true for everybody of all ages.

2659
02:41:37,320 --> 02:41:41,120
Speaker 1: If transgenderism is false, as it is, if men really

2660
02:41:41,120 --> 02:41:44,920
Speaker 1: can't become women, as they cannot, then it's false for

2661
02:41:45,040 --> 02:41:49,840
Speaker 1: everybody too. And if it's false, then we should not

2662
02:41:49,959 --> 02:41:55,280
Speaker 1: indulge it, especially since that indulgence requires taking away the

2663
02:41:55,360 --> 02:41:58,879
Speaker 1: rights and customs of so many people. If it is false,

2664
02:41:59,120 --> 02:42:02,000
Speaker 1: then for the good of society, and especially for the

2665
02:42:02,040 --> 02:42:04,320
Speaker 1: good of the poor people who have fallen prey to

2666
02:42:04,360 --> 02:42:10,760
Speaker 1: this confusion, transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely,

2667
02:42:11,480 --> 02:42:18,960
Speaker 1: the whole preposterous ideology at every level. Pretty pretty bad stuff.

2668
02:42:19,680 --> 02:42:21,920
Speaker 1: Not great to hear a room full of people applaud

2669
02:42:22,360 --> 02:42:25,920
Speaker 1: someone who's very clearly talking about the eradication of an

2670
02:42:26,120 --> 02:42:30,160
Speaker 1: entire group of people. And I want to specifically point

2671
02:42:30,160 --> 02:42:32,840
Speaker 1: out the from public life thing, because that was something

2672
02:42:32,920 --> 02:42:35,360
Speaker 1: that you know, like back when the first bathroom bills

2673
02:42:35,360 --> 02:42:38,640
Speaker 1: were happening in twenty sixteen, right, you know, like people

2674
02:42:38,840 --> 02:42:42,920
Speaker 1: like trans people who were following this stuff. You know,

2675
02:42:43,240 --> 02:42:46,039
Speaker 1: the thing everyone said was they're trying to they're trying

2676
02:42:46,080 --> 02:42:48,600
Speaker 1: to erase trans people from public life, right, because that's

2677
02:42:48,720 --> 02:42:51,920
Speaker 1: that's what happens when you can't use a restroom in public, right,

2678
02:42:52,080 --> 02:42:55,240
Speaker 1: is like it limits your ability to just exist in

2679
02:42:55,879 --> 02:42:58,480
Speaker 1: the public sphere. And we've gotten to a point now

2680
02:42:58,560 --> 02:43:00,840
Speaker 1: where they can just fucking say what we you know,

2681
02:43:00,879 --> 02:43:03,440
Speaker 1: what we all knew they wanted from the beginning, and

2682
02:43:03,520 --> 02:43:09,640
Speaker 1: that's terrifying. I remember when I hit them the kind

2683
02:43:09,680 --> 02:43:12,039
Speaker 1: of uncanny valley space, like when I hit the space

2684
02:43:12,080 --> 02:43:15,440
Speaker 1: where I freaked people out, no matter what bathroom I used,

2685
02:43:15,680 --> 02:43:17,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's like a very conscious thing where I

2686
02:43:17,800 --> 02:43:20,039
Speaker 1: remember it because I pick which bathroom do you use

2687
02:43:20,040 --> 02:43:26,080
Speaker 1: based on safety, right, and and like depending on my presentation.

2688
02:43:26,320 --> 02:43:28,520
Speaker 1: It's it's wildly different depending on what kind of space

2689
02:43:28,560 --> 02:43:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm in, it's wildly different. I don't know, I just

2690
02:43:31,080 --> 02:43:33,240
Speaker 1: I just remember really consciously the first time I like

2691
02:43:33,320 --> 02:43:35,400
Speaker 1: just I picked the men's room and then got like

2692
02:43:35,480 --> 02:43:37,400
Speaker 1: double takes about why was I in there, and it's

2693
02:43:37,400 --> 02:43:41,640
Speaker 1: just like, oh, I like can't do anything anymore. Yeah,

2694
02:43:41,680 --> 02:43:46,320
Speaker 1: Like no, absolutely. After Nol's speech at Sepack, arguing for

2695
02:43:46,360 --> 02:43:51,000
Speaker 1: the eradication of transgenderism quote unquote. Daily Wire hosts, including

2696
02:43:51,000 --> 02:43:53,879
Speaker 1: Matt Walsh, defended him by saying, quote, we are in

2697
02:43:53,920 --> 02:43:57,000
Speaker 1: a war against the most deranged ideology ever invented by

2698
02:43:57,000 --> 02:44:00,439
Speaker 1: the human race. We are fighting to eradicate the ideogical

2699
02:44:00,520 --> 02:44:04,360
Speaker 1: equivalent of a parasitic infection. But is a term like

2700
02:44:04,520 --> 02:44:09,840
Speaker 1: eradicate over the top. Does it have a needlessly militant tone? No,

2701
02:44:10,720 --> 02:44:14,520
Speaker 1: definitely not. The tone may be militant, but not needlessly so.

2702
02:44:15,080 --> 02:44:18,480
Speaker 1: We are, after all, in a war, and lives are

2703
02:44:18,520 --> 02:44:21,480
Speaker 1: at stake. We are in a war against the most

2704
02:44:21,520 --> 02:44:26,240
Speaker 1: deranged ideology ever invented by the human race, plain and simple.

2705
02:44:27,000 --> 02:44:31,440
Speaker 1: We are fighting to eradicate the ideological equivalent of a

2706
02:44:31,520 --> 02:44:36,240
Speaker 1: parasitic infestation. And the parasite gender ideology seeks to not

2707
02:44:36,320 --> 02:44:39,880
Speaker 1: only brainwash a generation of children, not only degrade and

2708
02:44:39,920 --> 02:44:43,960
Speaker 1: appropriate womanhood, but also and manhood by the way, but also,

2709
02:44:44,080 --> 02:44:48,240
Speaker 1: and most fundamentally, it seeks to eat away at truth itself.

2710
02:44:49,280 --> 02:44:53,320
Speaker 1: This is coming from somebody who glibly refers to himself

2711
02:44:53,360 --> 02:44:57,720
Speaker 1: as a theocratic fascist, And in cases like this, when

2712
02:44:57,760 --> 02:45:00,800
Speaker 1: they tell you who they are, you should fuck believe them.

2713
02:45:01,480 --> 02:45:04,200
Speaker 1: Like the first bit of that clip is like pretty bad,

2714
02:45:04,520 --> 02:45:07,200
Speaker 1: very very clearly fascistic, Like it's it's checking all of

2715
02:45:07,240 --> 02:45:10,600
Speaker 1: the boxes. But then I'm going to continue on to

2716
02:45:10,640 --> 02:45:14,600
Speaker 1: the second part of this clip, and it is incredibly chilling.

2717
02:45:14,760 --> 02:45:16,720
Speaker 1: Can we point out about how his poor choice and

2718
02:45:16,800 --> 02:45:21,120
Speaker 1: plaid is also degrading too masculinity. Really, he is the

2719
02:45:21,160 --> 02:45:24,240
Speaker 1: greatest threat to masculine right now because of his plaid choice.

2720
02:45:24,879 --> 02:45:29,080
Speaker 1: Eradication of gender ideology. Total defeat is the only option

2721
02:45:29,120 --> 02:45:32,279
Speaker 1: because there's no compromise with it. There's no living side

2722
02:45:32,280 --> 02:45:36,080
Speaker 1: by side with it, there's no finding common ground. The

2723
02:45:36,200 --> 02:45:40,000
Speaker 1: gender ideologue wants to destroy your culture and your children.

2724
02:45:41,080 --> 02:45:43,800
Speaker 1: You will either rise up against it or lose everything

2725
02:45:43,840 --> 02:45:48,600
Speaker 1: to it. We're so fucked, it's so Nazzi, Like, yeah, quote,

2726
02:45:48,720 --> 02:45:52,360
Speaker 1: total defeat is the only option. The gender ideologue wants

2727
02:45:52,360 --> 02:45:56,120
Speaker 1: to destroy your culture and your children. Like that is

2728
02:45:56,200 --> 02:45:58,120
Speaker 1: less than a stones throw away from we must have

2729
02:45:58,160 --> 02:46:00,680
Speaker 1: secured the existence of our people in a future white children.

2730
02:46:00,800 --> 02:46:03,600
Speaker 1: It's right there. It's like, it's so it's so clear.

2731
02:46:04,200 --> 02:46:06,560
Speaker 1: I think there's like a tiny grain of truth in it,

2732
02:46:06,600 --> 02:46:10,240
Speaker 1: which is that like they are very very very close

2733
02:46:10,720 --> 02:46:13,360
Speaker 1: to like permanently losing the battle over whether the trans

2734
02:46:13,440 --> 02:46:17,000
Speaker 1: people could exist. And that's why they're doing this, right,

2735
02:46:17,000 --> 02:46:20,520
Speaker 1: because like the only like like like so support for

2736
02:46:20,520 --> 02:46:22,800
Speaker 1: trans people getting healthcare is like sixty is at like

2737
02:46:22,840 --> 02:46:26,840
Speaker 1: sixty percent, right, The only thing they have left is

2738
02:46:26,920 --> 02:46:30,440
Speaker 1: just straight up genocide because if they don't fucking kill

2739
02:46:30,520 --> 02:46:33,600
Speaker 1: us all now, right, and they don't right now act

2740
02:46:33,600 --> 02:46:36,520
Speaker 1: to make it impossible for future trans people to be trans, right,

2741
02:46:37,320 --> 02:46:40,560
Speaker 1: they are going to lose. And I will talk about

2742
02:46:40,600 --> 02:46:42,520
Speaker 1: this towards the end of the episode. This is kind

2743
02:46:42,520 --> 02:46:44,440
Speaker 1: of part of my thesis on this, and this is

2744
02:46:44,440 --> 02:46:47,760
Speaker 1: something that Michael Knowles himself actually admits. In one of

2745
02:46:47,800 --> 02:46:52,320
Speaker 1: Michael Knowles's first shows after Sepack, he suggests that eradicating

2746
02:46:52,360 --> 02:46:55,560
Speaker 1: transgenderism would be a simple matter of returning to the

2747
02:46:55,600 --> 02:46:59,960
Speaker 1: state of Affairs in twenty fifteen to eradicate transgender is

2748
02:47:00,240 --> 02:47:03,560
Speaker 1: from public life. And it's a good question. I'm glad

2749
02:47:03,560 --> 02:47:05,320
Speaker 1: people are talking about that. That was the point of

2750
02:47:05,360 --> 02:47:09,920
Speaker 1: my speech. What would it mean to eradicate the preposterous

2751
02:47:09,959 --> 02:47:14,560
Speaker 1: ideology of transgenderism from public life at every level? Put

2752
02:47:14,640 --> 02:47:22,360
Speaker 1: simply eradicating transgenderism from public life would mean behaving as

2753
02:47:22,400 --> 02:47:30,560
Speaker 1: American society did before, say twenty fifteen. Before Round twenty fifteen,

2754
02:47:32,240 --> 02:47:37,800
Speaker 1: we did not have any acceptance of transgenderism in public life. Also,

2755
02:47:37,879 --> 02:47:42,520
Speaker 1: in just like a grim moment of surality, in the

2756
02:47:42,560 --> 02:47:45,640
Speaker 1: middle of that clip, Knowles does an adder read for

2757
02:47:45,720 --> 02:47:49,440
Speaker 1: a company called Rabbit Air, which is an air purifier

2758
02:47:49,440 --> 02:47:56,360
Speaker 1: company who has an office in Pasadena, California. She's fu oh.

2759
02:47:56,480 --> 02:47:59,480
Speaker 1: Knowles goes on to blame Obama for leading this wave

2760
02:47:59,520 --> 02:48:03,039
Speaker 1: of trans end's acceptance in public life. Now, this whole

2761
02:48:03,040 --> 02:48:05,200
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen thing is very funny to me because in

2762
02:48:05,600 --> 02:48:07,840
Speaker 1: a lot of ways it was actually kind of easier

2763
02:48:07,879 --> 02:48:10,120
Speaker 1: to be trans and twenty fifteen what it is right now.

2764
02:48:11,200 --> 02:48:14,080
Speaker 1: But I and I think that this is mostly that

2765
02:48:14,520 --> 02:48:19,600
Speaker 1: like for conservatives, it's mostly that young trans people are

2766
02:48:19,640 --> 02:48:23,200
Speaker 1: simply more visible now, mostly due to things like TikTok.

2767
02:48:23,320 --> 02:48:26,039
Speaker 1: Like there's just there's a more visible presence of trans

2768
02:48:26,200 --> 02:48:30,160
Speaker 1: joy and trans people living, and that is angering conservatives.

2769
02:48:30,200 --> 02:48:33,039
Speaker 1: So they think it's is like some new recent thing.

2770
02:48:34,040 --> 02:48:36,520
Speaker 1: And because Michael Knowles did an ad break for Rabbit Air,

2771
02:48:37,080 --> 02:48:40,160
Speaker 1: who again has an office in Pasadena, California, I too,

2772
02:48:40,160 --> 02:48:42,880
Speaker 1: am going to do an ad break for our fine sponsors,

2773
02:48:44,040 --> 02:48:46,160
Speaker 1: all right, and we're back we are. We are almost done.

2774
02:48:46,160 --> 02:48:48,720
Speaker 1: I only have like one or two more clips to show.

2775
02:48:49,200 --> 02:48:51,400
Speaker 1: I like the ad for Rabbit Air that just played

2776
02:48:52,600 --> 02:48:59,039
Speaker 1: fuck off. So in Michael knowles case, I think he

2777
02:48:59,160 --> 02:49:03,039
Speaker 1: isn't even primary early against just like trans equality, he

2778
02:49:03,120 --> 02:49:07,240
Speaker 1: is against modernity. Now, when I say modernity, I'm not

2779
02:49:07,320 --> 02:49:10,840
Speaker 1: referring to like industrial civilization. It's many consequences for humans

2780
02:49:10,840 --> 02:49:14,680
Speaker 1: and the planet at large. Right wing antimodernism is very

2781
02:49:14,680 --> 02:49:18,520
Speaker 1: different than like anarchist ANTISTI of ideas. This idea of

2782
02:49:18,560 --> 02:49:23,560
Speaker 1: modernism isn't really tied to industrial developments. It's more linked

2783
02:49:23,560 --> 02:49:28,800
Speaker 1: to a psycho spiritual antagonism against modern social progress. It's

2784
02:49:28,879 --> 02:49:32,520
Speaker 1: more akin to the esoteric super fascist Julius Vola's idea

2785
02:49:32,640 --> 02:49:36,320
Speaker 1: of like revolt against the modern world and how liberalism

2786
02:49:36,400 --> 02:49:41,039
Speaker 1: is like a plague against moral society and causing maths degeneracy.

2787
02:49:41,840 --> 02:49:45,600
Speaker 1: Michael knowles own Twitter bio reads quote, I am completely

2788
02:49:45,600 --> 02:49:50,080
Speaker 1: opposed to the error of the modernists. Again, when these

2789
02:49:50,120 --> 02:49:52,720
Speaker 1: people tell tell you who they are, you have to

2790
02:49:52,840 --> 02:49:57,000
Speaker 1: believe them. Just this week, during a speech at the

2791
02:49:57,080 --> 02:50:00,360
Speaker 1: University of Buffalo, Knowles laid out a plan to attack

2792
02:50:00,480 --> 02:50:04,000
Speaker 1: quote the illogic of so called gay marriage, the rights

2793
02:50:04,040 --> 02:50:08,920
Speaker 1: to fornication, and the feminists who loosened divorce laws. Yeah,

2794
02:50:09,240 --> 02:50:10,960
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's worth pointing out here, right.

2795
02:50:11,080 --> 02:50:13,400
Speaker 1: I think I think the actual reason why twenty fifteen

2796
02:50:13,480 --> 02:50:14,640
Speaker 1: is the year that he picked out of his head

2797
02:50:14,680 --> 02:50:16,520
Speaker 1: is at twenty fifteen is the year that game that

2798
02:50:16,959 --> 02:50:19,400
Speaker 1: game marriage is legalized by the Supreme Court. Sure, so

2799
02:50:20,080 --> 02:50:23,520
Speaker 1: like that that like ninety nine percent chats that he

2800
02:50:23,640 --> 02:50:27,160
Speaker 1: means like twenty fifteen before game marriage is the thing

2801
02:50:27,160 --> 02:50:30,080
Speaker 1: that he wants to go back to. But here's here's

2802
02:50:30,080 --> 02:50:32,840
Speaker 1: a here's a clip of him talking about how conservatives

2803
02:50:32,840 --> 02:50:36,400
Speaker 1: have continued to lose the battleground at a whole bunch

2804
02:50:36,440 --> 02:50:38,119
Speaker 1: of topics, and how he's going to try to win

2805
02:50:38,160 --> 02:50:43,600
Speaker 1: them back. Now, even many conservatives accept so called gay marriage,

2806
02:50:44,520 --> 02:50:48,320
Speaker 1: and they have to. They have to accept gay marriage

2807
02:50:49,080 --> 02:50:52,320
Speaker 1: if they accept the illogic of the Sexual Revolution, which

2808
02:50:52,320 --> 02:50:55,160
Speaker 1: held that all sexual relations are fine and dandy so

2809
02:50:55,200 --> 02:50:59,600
Speaker 1: long as they're consensual. After the Sexual Revolution, the only

2810
02:50:59,640 --> 02:51:03,920
Speaker 1: test for sexual ethics became if it feels good, do it.

2811
02:51:04,800 --> 02:51:07,960
Speaker 1: For most of American history, nobody believed that too. For

2812
02:51:08,080 --> 02:51:10,800
Speaker 1: most of American history, there were all sorts of laws

2813
02:51:10,840 --> 02:51:15,039
Speaker 1: against certain sexual behaviors. There were famously laws against sodomy,

2814
02:51:15,160 --> 02:51:17,640
Speaker 1: but there were lots of other laws as well, laws

2815
02:51:17,680 --> 02:51:22,560
Speaker 1: against fornication, laws against adultery, laws against plenty of other

2816
02:51:22,600 --> 02:51:25,920
Speaker 1: destructive sexual behaviors. Those laws were on the books as

2817
02:51:25,959 --> 02:51:28,520
Speaker 1: recently as two thousand and three, when liberals on the

2818
02:51:28,520 --> 02:51:32,640
Speaker 1: Supreme Court discovered in the Constitution some sort of right

2819
02:51:33,120 --> 02:51:36,760
Speaker 1: to all of those things. He wants all these things

2820
02:51:36,760 --> 02:51:40,920
Speaker 1: to become illegal again, that is his political project. And

2821
02:51:41,280 --> 02:51:43,920
Speaker 1: to quote airy dren end quote, none of this is

2822
02:51:43,959 --> 02:51:47,400
Speaker 1: a theoretical exercise. After banning drag or gender if I

2823
02:51:47,440 --> 02:51:50,840
Speaker 1: may care for minors, the Tennessee House yesterday passed a

2824
02:51:50,879 --> 02:51:54,959
Speaker 1: bill that would allow local officials to refuse same sex, interfaith,

2825
02:51:55,080 --> 02:51:59,600
Speaker 1: or interracial marriages ute. Now. Last year we titled some

2826
02:51:59,600 --> 02:52:01,720
Speaker 1: of our episodes that cover this wave of anti trans

2827
02:52:01,760 --> 02:52:05,840
Speaker 1: attacks quote like the War on trans people unquote and

2828
02:52:06,160 --> 02:52:09,000
Speaker 1: even like considering the origin of this podcast, I am

2829
02:52:09,040 --> 02:52:13,039
Speaker 1: often hesitant to entertain fantasies of actual civil conflict in

2830
02:52:13,040 --> 02:52:17,000
Speaker 1: the United States, but in this case, like they are

2831
02:52:17,000 --> 02:52:19,160
Speaker 1: the ones who are killing us and trying to make

2832
02:52:19,160 --> 02:52:23,119
Speaker 1: our very existence illegal. It is them who has initiated

2833
02:52:23,400 --> 02:52:27,240
Speaker 1: this type of militant language. The last clip I have

2834
02:52:27,320 --> 02:52:31,600
Speaker 1: here is of Matt Walsh talking about just that we

2835
02:52:31,640 --> 02:52:36,279
Speaker 1: aren't even remotely done. Okay, this is honestly only the beginning.

2836
02:52:37,640 --> 02:52:40,000
Speaker 1: We've got a lot more in store for you. I

2837
02:52:40,080 --> 02:52:41,800
Speaker 1: promised you a year ago that we were going to

2838
02:52:41,840 --> 02:52:44,000
Speaker 1: war here, and I kept that promise. I'll keep this

2839
02:52:44,040 --> 02:52:47,480
Speaker 1: one too. There's much more to be done, that needs

2840
02:52:47,520 --> 02:52:50,680
Speaker 1: to be done, and we aim to do it. So

2841
02:52:50,800 --> 02:52:54,440
Speaker 1: the battle continues, whether you like it or not. The

2842
02:52:54,480 --> 02:53:00,160
Speaker 1: battle continues. So a few days ago, the Governor of

2843
02:53:00,160 --> 02:53:04,360
Speaker 1: Mississippi brought Matt Walsh to speak during an official press

2844
02:53:04,400 --> 02:53:08,160
Speaker 1: conference about the signing of House Bill one one two five,

2845
02:53:08,840 --> 02:53:12,080
Speaker 1: banning gender affirming healthcare for minors. The presidence of Matt

2846
02:53:12,120 --> 02:53:15,360
Speaker 1: Walsh at a State of Mississippi official press conference is

2847
02:53:15,440 --> 02:53:20,600
Speaker 1: a clear example of fascism being inserted into the governmental process. Um,

2848
02:53:20,920 --> 02:53:22,920
Speaker 1: and speaking of bills, I'm going to hand this over

2849
02:53:23,000 --> 02:53:27,720
Speaker 1: to Mia to now talk about some of the legislative stuff. Yay, yeah, wow,

2850
02:53:27,800 --> 02:53:32,360
Speaker 1: So this is going to be a long one, I'm sorry, folks. Yeah. Unfortunately,

2851
02:53:32,520 --> 02:53:35,480
Speaker 1: the the list of ways in which they are trying

2852
02:53:35,480 --> 02:53:39,360
Speaker 1: to kill us as long. So yeah, this is this

2853
02:53:39,400 --> 02:53:42,400
Speaker 1: is the inevitable result of that. In one of the

2854
02:53:42,560 --> 02:53:46,640
Speaker 1: very early clips, right, I think I can't remember which

2855
02:53:46,640 --> 02:53:48,680
Speaker 1: one it was, one of the maybe it was Kennis

2856
02:53:48,720 --> 02:53:52,040
Speaker 1: Owen has talked about like our publicist at Media Matters, right, Yeah,

2857
02:53:52,120 --> 02:53:55,080
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I think there is in

2858
02:53:55,160 --> 02:53:56,879
Speaker 1: a lot of cases, I think there's a lot of

2859
02:53:56,920 --> 02:54:00,520
Speaker 1: merit and not like covering this ship when it's tifically

2860
02:54:00,520 --> 02:54:03,920
Speaker 1: people like like very specific. You know Alex Jones does this, right, Well,

2861
02:54:04,120 --> 02:54:07,560
Speaker 1: he'll say something like specifically incredibly inflammatory is a way

2862
02:54:07,600 --> 02:54:10,200
Speaker 1: to start of get media attention to him. Yeah, But

2863
02:54:10,280 --> 02:54:12,960
Speaker 1: in this case, we can't fucking do that because all

2864
02:54:13,000 --> 02:54:15,240
Speaker 1: of the policy proposals that these people want are getting

2865
02:54:15,280 --> 02:54:19,560
Speaker 1: actually fucking implemented. So here here's from the Human Rights

2866
02:54:19,600 --> 02:54:22,480
Speaker 1: Campaign about how bad things have gotten. Less than two

2867
02:54:22,560 --> 02:54:25,960
Speaker 1: months into twenty twenty three, Human Rights Campaign is already

2868
02:54:26,000 --> 02:54:29,640
Speaker 1: tracking three hundred and forty anti LGBTQ bills that have

2869
02:54:29,680 --> 02:54:33,840
Speaker 1: been introduced in statehouses across the country. I think four hundred.

2870
02:54:33,879 --> 02:54:36,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's this, Yeah, I was gonna get this.

2871
02:54:36,480 --> 02:54:38,520
Speaker 1: So those numbers are from early Those numbers are from

2872
02:54:38,520 --> 02:54:41,880
Speaker 1: early February, right or mid February now, yeah, it's something

2873
02:54:41,920 --> 02:54:43,800
Speaker 1: like over four hundred. It's really hard to get actual

2874
02:54:43,800 --> 02:54:47,640
Speaker 1: totals because there are so fucking many of them. One

2875
02:54:47,720 --> 02:54:50,280
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty of those would specifically restrict the rights

2876
02:54:50,320 --> 02:54:53,160
Speaker 1: of transgender people, the highest number of bills targeting transgender

2877
02:54:53,200 --> 02:54:55,320
Speaker 1: people in a single year to date. They also note,

2878
02:54:55,320 --> 02:54:58,320
Speaker 1: as everyone else does, every single successive year breaks the

2879
02:54:58,360 --> 02:55:02,120
Speaker 1: record for the most number of bills targeting people. Um. Yeah,

2880
02:55:02,120 --> 02:55:04,560
Speaker 1: those numbers are already out of date. And okay, So

2881
02:55:05,720 --> 02:55:08,680
Speaker 1: on the one hands, right there, there are there are

2882
02:55:09,240 --> 02:55:14,240
Speaker 1: real problems with projects that just track the raw number

2883
02:55:14,240 --> 02:55:18,240
Speaker 1: of bills, and you know, okay, on the one hands,

2884
02:55:18,240 --> 02:55:20,760
Speaker 1: the world like the raw numbers are I think a

2885
02:55:20,800 --> 02:55:24,800
Speaker 1: good way of actually getting people to sort of understand

2886
02:55:25,160 --> 02:55:28,120
Speaker 1: like the level of threat that is happening, like just

2887
02:55:28,160 --> 02:55:30,800
Speaker 1: sort of just sort of the raw magnitude of the threats.

2888
02:55:31,560 --> 02:55:35,720
Speaker 1: On the other hands, okay, it's kind of misleading in

2889
02:55:35,720 --> 02:55:37,520
Speaker 1: the sense that almost all these bills are going to

2890
02:55:37,560 --> 02:55:40,720
Speaker 1: fail because most of these most most and this is

2891
02:55:40,760 --> 02:55:44,080
Speaker 1: the incredible important thing here, most but not all, most

2892
02:55:44,120 --> 02:55:46,480
Speaker 1: of these bills are made by just random state lawmakers

2893
02:55:46,480 --> 02:55:50,600
Speaker 1: and no political backing. And this allows organizations you know,

2894
02:55:50,680 --> 02:55:53,000
Speaker 1: sort of like like a lot of the nonprofit groups

2895
02:55:53,000 --> 02:55:55,280
Speaker 1: who who work in these sort of legislative spaces to

2896
02:55:55,320 --> 02:55:59,279
Speaker 1: like claim credit for defeating like ninety percent of the bills,

2897
02:55:59,280 --> 02:56:00,840
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, no, like most of those, like

2898
02:56:00,879 --> 02:56:02,360
Speaker 1: almost none of them we're ever going to pass in

2899
02:56:02,360 --> 02:56:05,440
Speaker 1: the first place. And the second thing that it does

2900
02:56:05,560 --> 02:56:07,720
Speaker 1: is it puts this sort of cloud out, which makes

2901
02:56:07,720 --> 02:56:10,600
Speaker 1: it really really difficult. You know, if you're just being if,

2902
02:56:10,680 --> 02:56:14,480
Speaker 1: if you're if you're trying to follow right the sort

2903
02:56:14,480 --> 02:56:17,440
Speaker 1: of legislative process here, it gets very very hard because

2904
02:56:18,240 --> 02:56:20,560
Speaker 1: it's it's very difficult to sort out which bills have

2905
02:56:20,560 --> 02:56:22,200
Speaker 1: any chance of passing in which ones are just some

2906
02:56:22,320 --> 02:56:26,800
Speaker 1: random dipshit like first term like I don't know, some

2907
02:56:26,959 --> 02:56:29,880
Speaker 1: some some like first term lawmaker from like a part

2908
02:56:29,879 --> 02:56:36,000
Speaker 1: of Mississippi that is two lawmakers right like. But so my, my,

2909
02:56:36,000 --> 02:56:38,360
Speaker 1: my solution to this is we're going to run through

2910
02:56:38,400 --> 02:56:40,640
Speaker 1: the bills had ever already been passed. Um, I guess

2911
02:56:40,640 --> 02:56:43,680
Speaker 1: we should just start in Mississippi because we've sort of

2912
02:56:43,720 --> 02:56:47,000
Speaker 1: already talked about, Yeah, Governor Tate Reeves inviting that wallshing

2913
02:56:47,080 --> 02:56:51,840
Speaker 1: of a speech at the bill signing ceremony. So in Mississippi,

2914
02:56:51,959 --> 02:56:56,760
Speaker 1: a law was passed called the reap Act, which you know,

2915
02:56:56,879 --> 02:56:59,840
Speaker 1: that's that's great. It's a that's that that tells you

2916
02:57:00,000 --> 02:57:04,280
Speaker 1: exactly what they fucking I mean by this. This is

2917
02:57:04,280 --> 02:57:06,280
Speaker 1: a bill that bands and this this is a very

2918
02:57:06,360 --> 02:57:09,800
Speaker 1: very common pattern for bills. Um. It bans miners from

2919
02:57:09,800 --> 02:57:13,120
Speaker 1: getting hormones, from getting any kind of gender affirming surgery,

2920
02:57:13,200 --> 02:57:16,720
Speaker 1: and blocks anyone from getting puberty blockers. We've said this before,

2921
02:57:16,760 --> 02:57:19,800
Speaker 1: We'll say it again. All of this stuff is good.

2922
02:57:19,920 --> 02:57:21,800
Speaker 1: Kids should be able to get these things. Kids should

2923
02:57:21,800 --> 02:57:25,000
Speaker 1: be able to get these things easier. They they just

2924
02:57:25,160 --> 02:57:28,200
Speaker 1: unfathomably improve the lives of the child to get them.

2925
02:57:29,840 --> 02:57:32,520
Speaker 1: All of the data supports this notion. This has been

2926
02:57:32,560 --> 02:57:36,240
Speaker 1: normalized for literally decades. Yeah, and I mean puberty blockers

2927
02:57:36,240 --> 02:57:38,280
Speaker 1: in particular is one of the things that's become the

2928
02:57:38,320 --> 02:57:40,760
Speaker 1: focus of like, oh, it's not safe. It's like puberty

2929
02:57:40,800 --> 02:57:43,280
Speaker 1: blockers were the compromise position, right, And this is something

2930
02:57:43,320 --> 02:57:44,600
Speaker 1: that I think has been lost in a lot of

2931
02:57:44,600 --> 02:57:46,680
Speaker 1: debate about this, because you know, we've gotten to the

2932
02:57:46,680 --> 02:57:50,280
Speaker 1: point where everything is being banned, but puberty blockers, you know,

2933
02:57:50,400 --> 02:57:53,040
Speaker 1: we're a compromise position because you could give people puberty

2934
02:57:53,040 --> 02:57:56,240
Speaker 1: blockers without like actually giving trans kids to hormones that

2935
02:57:56,280 --> 02:57:59,320
Speaker 1: they need, and even that, you know, we're at a

2936
02:57:59,320 --> 02:58:03,080
Speaker 1: point where stare full on banning kids from getting them.

2937
02:58:03,200 --> 02:58:09,520
Speaker 1: This sucks, It's awful. It is killing trans kids. Um.

2938
02:58:09,560 --> 02:58:13,160
Speaker 1: Mississippi also has a band. One of the other things

2939
02:58:13,200 --> 02:58:15,560
Speaker 1: about this specific one and not not all the states

2940
02:58:15,560 --> 02:58:17,960
Speaker 1: are doing it do this, but the specific bill also

2941
02:58:18,080 --> 02:58:22,119
Speaker 1: bans state money from going to any institution that practices

2942
02:58:22,200 --> 02:58:26,000
Speaker 1: like does like gender form for minors. They also have

2943
02:58:26,040 --> 02:58:27,680
Speaker 1: an anti sports law, so you can, you know, you

2944
02:58:27,680 --> 02:58:30,720
Speaker 1: can see the sort of like how how the dominoes

2945
02:58:30,800 --> 02:58:35,880
Speaker 1: went down in terms of, like, I sorry, you can

2946
02:58:35,920 --> 02:58:37,440
Speaker 1: see how the dominoes fell down in terms of where

2947
02:58:37,480 --> 02:58:39,360
Speaker 1: it started and where it was going right for at

2948
02:58:39,400 --> 02:58:41,400
Speaker 1: first you get your anti bathroom long and then you

2949
02:58:41,400 --> 02:58:44,959
Speaker 1: you get your sort of like keep trans people out

2950
02:58:44,959 --> 02:58:51,120
Speaker 1: of sports, and then the yeah, yeah, so I will

2951
02:58:51,240 --> 02:58:54,480
Speaker 1: also has a band that's you know, but basically identical

2952
02:58:54,640 --> 02:58:58,200
Speaker 1: identical ban on hormone, gender firming surgery and puberty blockers.

2953
02:58:58,720 --> 02:59:01,440
Speaker 1: They also passed to build bands trans kids from using

2954
02:59:01,440 --> 02:59:04,080
Speaker 1: bathrooms and locker rooms according to their gender and elementary,

2955
02:59:04,120 --> 02:59:06,760
Speaker 1: middle and high schools and I want to talk a

2956
02:59:06,760 --> 02:59:09,039
Speaker 1: little bit about this, because this is going to lead

2957
02:59:09,040 --> 02:59:12,360
Speaker 1: to kids getting fucking raped, because it turns out if

2958
02:59:12,360 --> 02:59:15,160
Speaker 1: you force a trans girl into a men's locker room,

2959
02:59:15,879 --> 02:59:17,960
Speaker 1: things are going to go real fucking bad for them.

2960
02:59:17,959 --> 02:59:20,040
Speaker 1: They don't give a shit about this, right, They simply

2961
02:59:20,080 --> 02:59:23,560
Speaker 1: do not care. Um. But that's you know that that

2962
02:59:23,720 --> 02:59:29,600
Speaker 1: that's that that that's the actual substantive results. Um. I

2963
02:59:29,640 --> 02:59:33,640
Speaker 1: will also pass. I've seen it variously refers to as

2964
02:59:33,680 --> 02:59:35,400
Speaker 1: like I don't say trans or like I don't say

2965
02:59:35,520 --> 02:59:39,320
Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus bill. This is a bill that prohibits teachers

2966
02:59:39,360 --> 02:59:42,320
Speaker 1: who teach either from kindergarteners through sixth grade from teaching

2967
02:59:42,320 --> 02:59:44,960
Speaker 1: about transniss like at all. You can't teach about gender.

2968
02:59:45,080 --> 02:59:48,160
Speaker 1: You can't teach about like sex. You can't teach about

2969
02:59:48,360 --> 02:59:51,880
Speaker 1: you know, you can't teach about the fact that you can,

2970
02:59:51,959 --> 02:59:55,000
Speaker 1: in fact change your gender and it's good and cool. Um.

2971
02:59:55,240 --> 02:59:58,400
Speaker 1: The Human Rights Campaign says quote. This bill would also

2972
02:59:58,440 --> 03:00:02,400
Speaker 1: prohibit schools from providing to refer me accommodations for transgender

2973
03:00:02,440 --> 03:00:06,000
Speaker 1: students without parental consent, and would require school staff to

2974
03:00:06,120 --> 03:00:09,760
Speaker 1: out transgender students. Um. So I read this bill and

2975
03:00:09,840 --> 03:00:11,920
Speaker 1: it's not clear to me how it requires that. But

2976
03:00:12,240 --> 03:00:13,959
Speaker 1: that's what the lawyers are saying, and I'm not a lawyer,

2977
03:00:14,720 --> 03:00:16,680
Speaker 1: so it may or may not require that. This is

2978
03:00:16,720 --> 03:00:19,760
Speaker 1: another thing, very specifically, this isn't everything that that that's

2979
03:00:19,760 --> 03:00:23,280
Speaker 1: been happening in the sort of newer waves of these

2980
03:00:23,400 --> 03:00:28,000
Speaker 1: laws are laws that specifically require school counselors, teachers, and

2981
03:00:28,080 --> 03:00:31,240
Speaker 1: school staff to out their kids, like to out kids

2982
03:00:31,280 --> 03:00:35,520
Speaker 1: to their parents, which is unbelievably dangerous. Un in the

2983
03:00:35,560 --> 03:00:37,720
Speaker 1: last few years alone, there have been a bunch of

2984
03:00:37,720 --> 03:00:40,440
Speaker 1: trans people who are just killed by their parents. And

2985
03:00:40,560 --> 03:00:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, forcibly adding people is like you're you're you're

2986
03:00:43,520 --> 03:00:45,720
Speaker 1: exposing them to the risk of abuse, You're exposing them

2987
03:00:45,720 --> 03:00:48,280
Speaker 1: to the risk of unsafe housing environments. No, it's just

2988
03:00:48,360 --> 03:00:51,640
Speaker 1: a little soft whack by your grandma, I remember, just

2989
03:00:51,680 --> 03:00:53,960
Speaker 1: a little a little tap on the head. Yeah, yeah,

2990
03:00:53,959 --> 03:00:58,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna fucking beat you to death. So these

2991
03:00:58,080 --> 03:01:01,320
Speaker 1: bills in Iowa have been and passed by the House

2992
03:01:01,320 --> 03:01:03,360
Speaker 1: in the Senate and they're just like they're just like

2993
03:01:03,360 --> 03:01:05,400
Speaker 1: sitting on a desk winning for the government to sign them,

2994
03:01:05,440 --> 03:01:08,480
Speaker 1: and the governor's going to so yeah, that's that's the

2995
03:01:08,480 --> 03:01:12,080
Speaker 1: situation Iowa. In Arkansas, you have the hormone puberty blockers,

2996
03:01:12,120 --> 03:01:15,440
Speaker 1: gender firming surgery ban. The Arkansas one is on hold

2997
03:01:15,640 --> 03:01:17,960
Speaker 1: because you know, and this is a this is true

2998
03:01:18,000 --> 03:01:20,160
Speaker 1: for a couple of these, is that people have done

2999
03:01:20,240 --> 03:01:24,680
Speaker 1: legal challenges on it. And yeah, our Arkansas particulars had

3000
03:01:24,680 --> 03:01:27,840
Speaker 1: a huge legal fight. We still don't know how that's

3001
03:01:27,879 --> 03:01:29,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the legal fights are going on for like

3002
03:01:29,080 --> 03:01:31,480
Speaker 1: a year. We still haven't gotten ruling on it yet.

3003
03:01:32,160 --> 03:01:35,320
Speaker 1: They also have a ban on transgids competing in sports.

3004
03:01:36,320 --> 03:01:39,680
Speaker 1: Alabama made it a Class C felony punishable by up

3005
03:01:39,720 --> 03:01:42,320
Speaker 1: to a decade in prison. To give trench gender kids hormones,

3006
03:01:42,640 --> 03:01:46,000
Speaker 1: puberty blockers, gender affirming surgery. This was also interesting because

3007
03:01:46,280 --> 03:01:48,000
Speaker 1: it's the only built so most of these ones when

3008
03:01:48,000 --> 03:01:50,360
Speaker 1: they do when they say minors, right, it's until you're eighteen.

3009
03:01:50,400 --> 03:01:53,560
Speaker 1: You can't get it for whatever reason. Alabama. It also

3010
03:01:53,640 --> 03:01:55,680
Speaker 1: bans eighteen year olds from getting any of these things.

3011
03:01:56,520 --> 03:02:00,800
Speaker 1: You just have to be nineteen. Yeah. Part part of

3012
03:02:00,800 --> 03:02:04,320
Speaker 1: the bill, you know about hormone blockers, So okay, So

3013
03:02:04,600 --> 03:02:07,240
Speaker 1: specifically the part of the parts of this bill that

3014
03:02:07,280 --> 03:02:10,400
Speaker 1: are about hormones and hormone blockers are on hold pending

3015
03:02:10,400 --> 03:02:12,760
Speaker 1: sort of resolution to legal challenges, but the judge was like,

3016
03:02:12,840 --> 03:02:16,080
Speaker 1: fuck it, you can do the surgery band. So that sucks.

3017
03:02:16,920 --> 03:02:20,520
Speaker 1: Um Alabama also has bills that you know, have the

3018
03:02:20,560 --> 03:02:23,400
Speaker 1: whole trans kids in schools can't use the right bathroom

3019
03:02:23,480 --> 03:02:26,920
Speaker 1: and you know, teachers, counselors and other school officials have

3020
03:02:26,959 --> 03:02:31,640
Speaker 1: to out them. They also have another Dosa trans bill

3021
03:02:31,760 --> 03:02:34,600
Speaker 1: that does a very similar thing about bands teachers from

3022
03:02:34,640 --> 03:02:37,320
Speaker 1: talking about transit until fifth grade. I think a lot

3023
03:02:37,320 --> 03:02:39,480
Speaker 1: of these bills are written by like lobbying groups who

3024
03:02:39,600 --> 03:02:42,320
Speaker 1: just and paced the same thing and see a whole

3025
03:02:42,360 --> 03:02:45,600
Speaker 1: bunch of different states. I will say there are weird

3026
03:02:45,680 --> 03:02:49,920
Speaker 1: differences in them, like so you'll see like different completely

3027
03:02:50,000 --> 03:02:54,360
Speaker 1: scatter shot like definitions of what hormones are, or like

3028
03:02:54,720 --> 03:02:57,080
Speaker 1: like some somebody's bills trying to find what a woman is.

3029
03:02:57,400 --> 03:03:00,160
Speaker 1: And it's very funny because they have to like do

3030
03:03:00,200 --> 03:03:03,760
Speaker 1: all this weird stuff about like like clusters of like chromosomes,

3031
03:03:03,920 --> 03:03:07,440
Speaker 1: but also there's like chromosomal diseases, Like you can't do this,

3032
03:03:07,520 --> 03:03:10,280
Speaker 1: like a fuck off. It's it's so funny. We should

3033
03:03:10,280 --> 03:03:12,760
Speaker 1: also mention that, like there will be more reporting on

3034
03:03:12,800 --> 03:03:15,720
Speaker 1: this later. This bill. This episode is already too long,

3035
03:03:16,160 --> 03:03:18,840
Speaker 1: but there have been a bunch of emails released from

3036
03:03:18,879 --> 03:03:23,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of anti trans sort of organizers and fake

3037
03:03:23,640 --> 03:03:26,480
Speaker 1: scientists and stuff about how they've been coordinating all of this,

3038
03:03:26,560 --> 03:03:28,120
Speaker 1: and a lot of the experts that they use for

3039
03:03:28,160 --> 03:03:31,320
Speaker 1: testimony for all they show up to these capitals are

3040
03:03:31,320 --> 03:03:34,360
Speaker 1: like are exactly the same people. And the big guy

3041
03:03:34,440 --> 03:03:37,280
Speaker 1: they have saying that puberty blockers is unsafe like has

3042
03:03:37,360 --> 03:03:39,959
Speaker 1: never worked with a trans person in their life and

3043
03:03:40,240 --> 03:03:43,320
Speaker 1: has no fucking idea what they're talking about. So you know,

3044
03:03:43,360 --> 03:03:46,400
Speaker 1: this is this is this is fun Utah also bands

3045
03:03:48,440 --> 03:03:51,960
Speaker 1: also passed a band banning gender affirming surgeries, puberty blockers,

3046
03:03:51,959 --> 03:03:54,360
Speaker 1: and hormones. They also have a band I also have

3047
03:03:54,360 --> 03:03:56,800
Speaker 1: a bill forcing students and counselors to out their students

3048
03:03:57,360 --> 03:04:01,080
Speaker 1: to their families. Last year, you take Governor Spencer Cox

3049
03:04:01,200 --> 03:04:04,280
Speaker 1: was praised by the media for a symbolic veto of

3050
03:04:04,280 --> 03:04:06,160
Speaker 1: a bill that made it illegal for trans students to

3051
03:04:06,160 --> 03:04:11,400
Speaker 1: compete in sports. Cox signed this fucking bill, signed, signed,

3052
03:04:11,440 --> 03:04:15,320
Speaker 1: the one signed, the one that bands of gender affirming surgeries,

3053
03:04:15,320 --> 03:04:17,920
Speaker 1: beauty blockers, and hormones. Yeah. I think we talked about

3054
03:04:17,959 --> 03:04:22,560
Speaker 1: this last year. Yeah, I want to we had we

3055
03:04:22,600 --> 03:04:26,360
Speaker 1: talked about some Utah thing last Yeah, well we talked. Yeah,

3056
03:04:26,400 --> 03:04:29,440
Speaker 1: the thing we talked about was him vetoing that bill. Um,

3057
03:04:29,720 --> 03:04:33,119
Speaker 1: I want to read his thing for why why he packed?

3058
03:04:33,120 --> 03:04:35,640
Speaker 1: Why so he vetoed the bill that was less bad

3059
03:04:36,840 --> 03:04:39,600
Speaker 1: and signed the one that's worse. And I'm gonna read

3060
03:04:39,920 --> 03:04:43,680
Speaker 1: what he said about this quote. Well, we understand our

3061
03:04:43,720 --> 03:04:46,320
Speaker 1: words will be of little comfort to those who disagree

3062
03:04:46,360 --> 03:04:48,600
Speaker 1: with us. We sincerely hope that we can treat our

3063
03:04:48,600 --> 03:04:52,120
Speaker 1: transgender families with more love and respect as we work

3064
03:04:52,200 --> 03:04:55,720
Speaker 1: to better understand the science and consequences behind these procedures.

3065
03:04:55,959 --> 03:04:58,879
Speaker 1: Fuck off, Fuck all the way off. He's trying to

3066
03:04:58,879 --> 03:05:04,039
Speaker 1: avoid the Nurembug trials. Look As a as a neutral

3067
03:05:04,080 --> 03:05:06,959
Speaker 1: objective journalist, I'm obligated to inform me that Spencer Cox

3068
03:05:07,040 --> 03:05:09,560
Speaker 1: was a full time missionary from the Mormon Church, which

3069
03:05:09,600 --> 03:05:12,520
Speaker 1: is currently embroiled in a pedophilius gandal. Lefter is revealed

3070
03:05:12,520 --> 03:05:15,200
Speaker 1: to have systematically protected church members and members of the

3071
03:05:15,240 --> 03:05:19,800
Speaker 1: clergy who sexually abused children from church sanctions and legal repercussions.

3072
03:05:19,920 --> 03:05:23,119
Speaker 1: Under Utah law, clergy have the right of penitent privilege,

3073
03:05:23,200 --> 03:05:25,800
Speaker 1: which means they are not required to report child abuse

3074
03:05:25,840 --> 03:05:28,240
Speaker 1: to the authorities as long as the information is revealed

3075
03:05:28,320 --> 03:05:31,960
Speaker 1: during confession. Both the Mormon and Catholic churches, along with

3076
03:05:32,040 --> 03:05:35,440
Speaker 1: Jehovah's witnesses, have lobbied against all efforts have changed this law.

3077
03:05:35,840 --> 03:05:38,440
Speaker 1: Earlier this month, survivors of the Mormon Church rallied in

3078
03:05:38,480 --> 03:05:40,840
Speaker 1: support of a bill that would have ended penitent privilege.

3079
03:05:41,200 --> 03:05:44,240
Speaker 1: Governor Cox publicly announced his support for the bill being

3080
03:05:44,320 --> 03:05:47,959
Speaker 1: considered in the legislature, but did nothing to pressure legislators

3081
03:05:47,959 --> 03:05:50,039
Speaker 1: to vote for and as of time of recording, the

3082
03:05:50,080 --> 03:05:52,280
Speaker 1: bill is dead, leaving the church free to protect yet

3083
03:05:52,280 --> 03:05:57,760
Speaker 1: another route of pedophiles. Also, his name is Cox. Yeah,

3084
03:05:57,840 --> 03:06:02,200
Speaker 1: so South Dakota also, I did I could do this

3085
03:06:02,240 --> 03:06:04,800
Speaker 1: for every fucking governor on this list, and I decided

3086
03:06:04,840 --> 03:06:06,039
Speaker 1: I was going to do it once and not do

3087
03:06:06,080 --> 03:06:08,680
Speaker 1: it for all the rest of them, but fuck them.

3088
03:06:09,440 --> 03:06:12,000
Speaker 1: South Dakota has a sports bill. They also have a

3089
03:06:12,040 --> 03:06:15,680
Speaker 1: ban on puberty blockers, hormones, genderate firming surgery. Arizona has

3090
03:06:15,720 --> 03:06:21,200
Speaker 1: an anti bathroom bill. Tennessee has a sports ban. It

3091
03:06:21,240 --> 03:06:24,840
Speaker 1: has the basically identical ban on puberty blockers, hormones, and

3092
03:06:24,879 --> 03:06:27,360
Speaker 1: gender firming surgery, and it also has this. It also

3093
03:06:27,440 --> 03:06:31,240
Speaker 1: has what's been kind of a new innovation. I guess

3094
03:06:32,200 --> 03:06:35,040
Speaker 1: which is the anti they have an anti drag law. Yes,

3095
03:06:35,160 --> 03:06:36,840
Speaker 1: this is the one that's gotten the most amount attraction

3096
03:06:36,840 --> 03:06:39,960
Speaker 1: and has sparked some debate over how much of it

3097
03:06:40,000 --> 03:06:43,119
Speaker 1: can actually be applied against just trans people living their

3098
03:06:43,120 --> 03:06:46,560
Speaker 1: lives because it is tied to the state's pre existing

3099
03:06:46,600 --> 03:06:50,280
Speaker 1: obscenity laws. So there's been some debate about this. We will,

3100
03:06:51,240 --> 03:06:54,280
Speaker 1: we will. We will learn more about this as it

3101
03:06:54,280 --> 03:06:57,879
Speaker 1: starts being enforced by law enforcement and the court system. Yeah,

3102
03:06:58,080 --> 03:07:01,320
Speaker 1: I want to talk about it. It's not good. Like, Yeah,

3103
03:07:01,360 --> 03:07:04,000
Speaker 1: I want to talk about it a little bit more

3104
03:07:04,240 --> 03:07:06,680
Speaker 1: so the specific bill it makes it illegal for anyone

3105
03:07:07,240 --> 03:07:09,680
Speaker 1: to be underage and a drag show. And you know,

3106
03:07:09,720 --> 03:07:12,199
Speaker 1: it basically applies like the rules around the sex offender

3107
03:07:12,280 --> 03:07:17,160
Speaker 1: list for where you can have drag shows. So Governor

3108
03:07:17,200 --> 03:07:19,840
Speaker 1: William Brian Lee, who signed this bill did drag in

3109
03:07:19,920 --> 03:07:21,840
Speaker 1: high school, which I'm saying. No, I'm saying here not

3110
03:07:21,879 --> 03:07:24,040
Speaker 1: to point out the hypocrisy, like Governor Lee doesn't see

3111
03:07:24,040 --> 03:07:27,000
Speaker 1: anything any hypocrisy here, but to get across the fact

3112
03:07:27,000 --> 03:07:29,360
Speaker 1: the Republicans who want to do this stuff will still

3113
03:07:29,360 --> 03:07:31,680
Speaker 1: be able to. This bill will targeted a very very

3114
03:07:31,680 --> 03:07:35,120
Speaker 1: specific group of people. As Jules gil Peterson points out

3115
03:07:35,120 --> 03:07:36,640
Speaker 1: in your piece the left Hand to the Law, which

3116
03:07:36,640 --> 03:07:39,039
Speaker 1: people should go read, this is an attack on a

3117
03:07:39,200 --> 03:07:42,400
Speaker 1: very specific, precarious class of workers, many of whom are trans,

3118
03:07:42,520 --> 03:07:46,640
Speaker 1: some of whom aren't, who do drag performances. This is

3119
03:07:46,680 --> 03:07:49,400
Speaker 1: this is it's it's a very specific attempt to sort

3120
03:07:49,400 --> 03:07:55,720
Speaker 1: of like neutralize, Okay, it's targeting this very specific middle

3121
03:07:55,720 --> 03:07:59,680
Speaker 1: ground between sort of like being in the formal economy

3122
03:07:59,720 --> 03:08:02,280
Speaker 1: and do sex work. They're an enormous amount of trans

3123
03:08:02,320 --> 03:08:06,760
Speaker 1: people who do sex work. Drag shows provide a way

3124
03:08:06,800 --> 03:08:11,000
Speaker 1: to sort of like not exactly enter the middle class,

3125
03:08:11,080 --> 03:08:14,800
Speaker 1: but it provides a legal way for trans people to

3126
03:08:15,000 --> 03:08:18,240
Speaker 1: like have a job that's not fucking that and those

3127
03:08:18,440 --> 03:08:22,400
Speaker 1: and those workers are specifically the people being targeted by this. Weirdly,

3128
03:08:22,480 --> 03:08:27,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. The other thing that's unclear is, for example,

3129
03:08:27,480 --> 03:08:29,760
Speaker 1: like if a podcast does a live show where there's

3130
03:08:29,760 --> 03:08:34,280
Speaker 1: trans people, like, what will happen? We don't know. But

3131
03:08:34,320 --> 03:08:35,640
Speaker 1: the other thing I want to say about this, right

3132
03:08:35,720 --> 03:08:38,160
Speaker 1: is everyone's talking about this fucking drag bill. I have

3133
03:08:38,280 --> 03:08:41,840
Speaker 1: seen like basically zero discussion of the of the fact

3134
03:08:41,840 --> 03:08:45,200
Speaker 1: that they also past the same fucking ban on puberty blockers, tormones,

3135
03:08:45,240 --> 03:08:49,000
Speaker 1: and gender affirming surgery, which is way way more destructive

3136
03:08:49,040 --> 03:08:52,600
Speaker 1: and damaging. It's like but directly attacking. Yeah, so I

3137
03:08:52,640 --> 03:08:55,760
Speaker 1: think I want to push back about the like, yeah,

3138
03:08:55,840 --> 03:08:58,320
Speaker 1: like what you're talking about about, like what will happen

3139
03:08:58,400 --> 03:09:00,320
Speaker 1: if you do a live show? Like what will happen?

3140
03:09:00,680 --> 03:09:03,360
Speaker 1: Because to trans people who live in these states. The

3141
03:09:03,400 --> 03:09:05,240
Speaker 1: state I live in as a red state, well it's

3142
03:09:05,240 --> 03:09:07,480
Speaker 1: not supposed to be, but as a red state, and

3143
03:09:08,040 --> 03:09:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, is considering a drag bill and things like that.

3144
03:09:10,600 --> 03:09:14,760
Speaker 1: And I recognize that they're like aimed, they're targeted specifically

3145
03:09:14,879 --> 03:09:20,120
Speaker 1: at drag performances, but there's a fairly easy interpretation of

3146
03:09:20,120 --> 03:09:22,200
Speaker 1: a lot of these things that literally says I can't

3147
03:09:22,200 --> 03:09:24,520
Speaker 1: go to the grocery store. And that is how like

3148
03:09:24,560 --> 03:09:27,959
Speaker 1: a lot of trans people in Tennessee are viewing this

3149
03:09:28,040 --> 03:09:31,840
Speaker 1: right now. And so I don't think it's a disproportionate

3150
03:09:32,560 --> 03:09:35,000
Speaker 1: thing that the drag bill is something that a lot

3151
03:09:35,040 --> 03:09:37,080
Speaker 1: of people are focusing on. I mean, we all care

3152
03:09:37,120 --> 03:09:41,760
Speaker 1: also about the hormone issues or whatever, but the Tennessee

3153
03:09:41,760 --> 03:09:45,960
Speaker 1: passing the drag law that other states are considering is

3154
03:09:46,000 --> 03:09:53,760
Speaker 1: a new bad thing that could criminalize our very public existence. Yeah,

3155
03:09:53,920 --> 03:09:56,480
Speaker 1: that is part of the kind of discussion around this

3156
03:09:56,720 --> 03:10:00,680
Speaker 1: laws ties to the pre existing obscenity laws, and that

3157
03:10:00,720 --> 03:10:04,600
Speaker 1: will heavily depend on the discretion that law enforcement chooses

3158
03:10:04,640 --> 03:10:08,039
Speaker 1: to employ this law, and if it gets taken up

3159
03:10:08,080 --> 03:10:10,400
Speaker 1: to the court system, how the court's going to interpret

3160
03:10:10,440 --> 03:10:15,039
Speaker 1: this law. So it is like the vagueness is part

3161
03:10:15,040 --> 03:10:17,280
Speaker 1: of the point because that causes a lot of fear

3162
03:10:17,320 --> 03:10:20,240
Speaker 1: because you really just don't know what it all entails.

3163
03:10:20,920 --> 03:10:24,240
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's fucking weird because you don't know if

3164
03:10:24,280 --> 03:10:27,200
Speaker 1: you going to the store is going to be a

3165
03:10:27,240 --> 03:10:30,240
Speaker 1: felony or not, And how are you supposed to live

3166
03:10:30,240 --> 03:10:34,400
Speaker 1: like that? Yeah, and it I don't know. The sort

3167
03:10:34,440 --> 03:10:38,280
Speaker 1: of pervasive atmosphere of fear is definitely like part of

3168
03:10:38,320 --> 03:10:41,160
Speaker 1: the point of this, right, Like part of the way

3169
03:10:41,200 --> 03:10:44,119
Speaker 1: the sort of extermination campaign works is by forcing everyone

3170
03:10:44,160 --> 03:10:46,200
Speaker 1: to sort of live in fear of what they can

3171
03:10:46,280 --> 03:10:49,480
Speaker 1: and can't do, and also live in fear specifically of

3172
03:10:49,520 --> 03:10:52,320
Speaker 1: the police increasing the amount of violence that they're deploying. Yeah,

3173
03:10:52,360 --> 03:10:54,320
Speaker 1: I mean, and all the stuff like we talked about,

3174
03:10:54,560 --> 03:10:58,119
Speaker 1: they're specifically targeting people's ability to exist in a public life,

3175
03:10:58,600 --> 03:11:01,480
Speaker 1: which is whenever you want to do a genocide, that's

3176
03:11:01,520 --> 03:11:03,199
Speaker 1: one of the things you do is you make people

3177
03:11:03,280 --> 03:11:05,879
Speaker 1: unable to exist in public life. This is literally what

3178
03:11:05,920 --> 03:11:08,800
Speaker 1: the Nazis did, right, Like you section them off into

3179
03:11:08,840 --> 03:11:11,760
Speaker 1: their own little communities where they cannot actually leave and

3180
03:11:11,959 --> 03:11:16,680
Speaker 1: enter into the outside world. Yep. So, so far as

3181
03:11:16,680 --> 03:11:20,720
Speaker 1: of writing this, there are seven states with bands on gender,

3182
03:11:20,720 --> 03:11:22,400
Speaker 1: firm and care for Youth. I was about to become

3183
03:11:22,520 --> 03:11:25,400
Speaker 1: number eight whenever the governor gets round as signing the bill.

3184
03:11:25,480 --> 03:11:29,560
Speaker 1: There are nineteen states that ban transathletes from competing. There

3185
03:11:29,600 --> 03:11:32,800
Speaker 1: are a number of states. Oh so other st forgot

3186
03:11:32,959 --> 03:11:37,080
Speaker 1: much So there's like literally while I was like, while

3187
03:11:37,120 --> 03:11:40,720
Speaker 1: I was like waiting to record this episode, there were

3188
03:11:40,720 --> 03:11:45,880
Speaker 1: a few things that happened in like the legislature. So

3189
03:11:46,000 --> 03:11:49,160
Speaker 1: in Florida, there was a bill that got just got

3190
03:11:49,160 --> 03:11:53,360
Speaker 1: out of committee that would ban LGBTQ books like in

3191
03:11:53,440 --> 03:11:57,000
Speaker 1: all libraries, not just sort of school libraries. So I

3192
03:11:57,000 --> 03:11:58,680
Speaker 1: don't know that that actually has a real chance of

3193
03:11:58,680 --> 03:12:01,840
Speaker 1: passing because it's Florida. There's a lot of movement right now.

3194
03:12:01,920 --> 03:12:07,920
Speaker 1: The situation is very very sort of fluid and bad. Yes, yeah,

3195
03:12:08,000 --> 03:12:10,440
Speaker 1: how I would say it it is, I think one

3196
03:12:10,480 --> 03:12:13,520
Speaker 1: closing note, I will save my kind of my ending

3197
03:12:13,560 --> 03:12:15,720
Speaker 1: thesis to start the next episode, just because we're going

3198
03:12:15,760 --> 03:12:17,640
Speaker 1: on so long here. But the last thing I will

3199
03:12:17,640 --> 03:12:21,360
Speaker 1: say is I be wary of social media accounts that

3200
03:12:21,560 --> 03:12:24,080
Speaker 1: depend on ramping up and spreading panic to grow their

3201
03:12:24,080 --> 03:12:28,160
Speaker 1: follower accounts. Typically news news aggregation accounts are not the

3202
03:12:28,160 --> 03:12:31,359
Speaker 1: best source of information because their existence is entirely dependent

3203
03:12:31,600 --> 03:12:36,360
Speaker 1: on causing panic. So like look into the things like

3204
03:12:36,560 --> 03:12:39,440
Speaker 1: beyond just a tweet, Like look into stuff before before

3205
03:12:39,440 --> 03:12:42,400
Speaker 1: you spread it, just as like a general rule of thumb.

3206
03:12:42,440 --> 03:12:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm not calling anybody out here in any way, I'm

3207
03:12:44,920 --> 03:12:47,480
Speaker 1: just saying it. It is a good practice to get into,

3208
03:12:47,600 --> 03:12:51,640
Speaker 1: especially when we're looking into stuff that is about our

3209
03:12:51,760 --> 03:12:54,720
Speaker 1: very existence being criminalized, and that can be very depressing

3210
03:12:55,879 --> 03:12:58,840
Speaker 1: and it can suck to be constantly bombarded with. So

3211
03:12:58,920 --> 03:13:01,120
Speaker 1: it's good to stayed to stuff that's going on in

3212
03:13:01,120 --> 03:13:03,760
Speaker 1: your own state. It's good to state connected to bills

3213
03:13:03,800 --> 03:13:06,520
Speaker 1: that have a decent trans of passing. But but be

3214
03:13:07,120 --> 03:13:11,960
Speaker 1: wary of of of of undo panic spreading just constantly, NonStop,

3215
03:13:12,680 --> 03:13:14,760
Speaker 1: because a big part of being trends needs to also

3216
03:13:14,800 --> 03:13:18,800
Speaker 1: be like finding joy in living Yeah, And I think

3217
03:13:18,840 --> 03:13:20,800
Speaker 1: I think the very last thing I want to say

3218
03:13:20,840 --> 03:13:23,640
Speaker 1: don't lead into this next episode is we're not fucking

3219
03:13:23,680 --> 03:13:26,199
Speaker 1: done yet. We are still here. We're going to continue

3220
03:13:26,240 --> 03:13:28,240
Speaker 1: to be here. We are going to kick these people's

3221
03:13:28,240 --> 03:13:31,400
Speaker 1: fucking shit in and we are going to fight them

3222
03:13:31,400 --> 03:13:33,080
Speaker 1: for every fucking inch and they are going to lose.

3223
03:13:33,720 --> 03:13:36,080
Speaker 1: And next episode is going to be us talking about

3224
03:13:36,120 --> 03:13:55,080
Speaker 1: how you can start doing that. Oh boy, welcome to

3225
03:13:55,160 --> 03:13:57,520
Speaker 1: It could happen here, and it sure do feel like

3226
03:13:57,560 --> 03:14:02,240
Speaker 1: it's happening, don't it. M thank for surviving that last long,

3227
03:14:02,320 --> 03:14:05,200
Speaker 1: excruciating episode full of basically just like a bunch of

3228
03:14:05,200 --> 03:14:07,440
Speaker 1: hate speech that we were trying to be like, Hey,

3229
03:14:07,560 --> 03:14:11,080
Speaker 1: doesn't this look like hate speech? This is bad. Maybe

3230
03:14:11,200 --> 03:14:17,280
Speaker 1: platforms like Spotify, YouTube other podcast hosting platforms that I

3231
03:14:17,320 --> 03:14:20,840
Speaker 1: am somehow forgetting the name of, but perhaps they shouldn't

3232
03:14:20,879 --> 03:14:23,080
Speaker 1: be hosting all of this Daily Wire content that is

3233
03:14:23,560 --> 03:14:30,680
Speaker 1: explicitly calling for genocide. Anyway, I think it is interesting

3234
03:14:30,720 --> 03:14:32,640
Speaker 1: what the Daily Wire is trying to do here because

3235
03:14:32,800 --> 03:14:36,200
Speaker 1: they obviously saw what is a woman? The documentary, the

3236
03:14:36,240 --> 03:14:39,480
Speaker 1: quote unquote documentary by Matt Walsh last year get incredible

3237
03:14:39,480 --> 03:14:43,720
Speaker 1: traction online and boost their subscription service. So now they're

3238
03:14:43,760 --> 03:14:45,600
Speaker 1: they're they're doubling dead on this because this is how

3239
03:14:45,600 --> 03:14:49,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna try to make content, and they are trying

3240
03:14:49,040 --> 03:14:52,000
Speaker 1: out as many rhetorical styles and arguments as possible just

3241
03:14:52,120 --> 03:14:54,440
Speaker 1: to see what sticks. Like it really feels like they're

3242
03:14:54,440 --> 03:14:56,880
Speaker 1: just doing like the shotgun method of like throwing every

3243
03:14:56,920 --> 03:15:00,360
Speaker 1: single possible reason that turns people are ikey up against

3244
03:15:00,360 --> 03:15:02,959
Speaker 1: the wall and seeing which one like catches on, like

3245
03:15:02,959 --> 03:15:07,080
Speaker 1: they're doing, they're doing a band and transgenderism entirely, what

3246
03:15:07,320 --> 03:15:10,600
Speaker 1: is a woman? Groomers? They can't be genocided because they

3247
03:15:10,600 --> 03:15:15,440
Speaker 1: don't exist. Attacking transgenderism as a cover for trans people. Right,

3248
03:15:15,480 --> 03:15:18,440
Speaker 1: So it's all these all these various various tactics, all

3249
03:15:18,440 --> 03:15:22,800
Speaker 1: these different rhetorical strategies, calling them demonic, it's it's it's

3250
03:15:22,879 --> 03:15:25,320
Speaker 1: it's very much trying to be like if we, if we,

3251
03:15:25,400 --> 03:15:27,680
Speaker 1: if we throw up as much stuff as possible attacking

3252
03:15:27,680 --> 03:15:31,640
Speaker 1: and demonizing trans people. Some of these trends will catch

3253
03:15:31,680 --> 03:15:34,119
Speaker 1: on online, right, some of these will will catch on,

3254
03:15:34,320 --> 03:15:37,800
Speaker 1: will be spread to legislators. Eventually something will stick. And

3255
03:15:37,800 --> 03:15:39,520
Speaker 1: that that is that is very much the tactic that

3256
03:15:39,520 --> 03:15:42,400
Speaker 1: they are trying to use. And I think this is

3257
03:15:42,400 --> 03:15:45,280
Speaker 1: a point I wanted to make last episode, but I

3258
03:15:45,280 --> 03:15:47,640
Speaker 1: think it's still it's it's it's useful to hear now

3259
03:15:47,720 --> 03:15:52,320
Speaker 1: kind of in retrospect everything all of the like extremism

3260
03:15:52,320 --> 03:15:55,039
Speaker 1: that you heard in in the last episode, all of

3261
03:15:55,040 --> 03:15:59,080
Speaker 1: these like very very fascist talking points. This is what

3262
03:15:59,160 --> 03:16:03,680
Speaker 1: conservatism is now, right, Like, this is the mainstream new right.

3263
03:16:04,200 --> 03:16:08,840
Speaker 1: Sure you can call it fascist because by definition it is,

3264
03:16:09,440 --> 03:16:13,640
Speaker 1: but sometimes that term fascist or fascism it carries with

3265
03:16:13,680 --> 03:16:17,480
Speaker 1: it this false sense of foreignness. It has like this,

3266
03:16:17,600 --> 03:16:20,720
Speaker 1: it has like this displacement in the time right. Most

3267
03:16:20,800 --> 03:16:24,920
Speaker 1: people view fascism as something that happens elsewhere or something

3268
03:16:24,959 --> 03:16:29,560
Speaker 1: that happened in the past. By by by just referring

3269
03:16:29,600 --> 03:16:31,959
Speaker 1: to this stuff as fascist, it creates a distance in

3270
03:16:32,000 --> 03:16:37,440
Speaker 1: people's minds. This this this like um exotic improbability. But

3271
03:16:37,959 --> 03:16:42,000
Speaker 1: this stuff is like the mainstream conservative platform that the

3272
03:16:42,080 --> 03:16:44,800
Speaker 1: up and coming leaders of the conservative movement are trying

3273
03:16:44,800 --> 03:16:47,840
Speaker 1: to normalize. That this was like the main talking point

3274
03:16:47,840 --> 03:16:51,240
Speaker 1: at CEPAC, which is like the biggest conservative convention in

3275
03:16:51,280 --> 03:16:54,920
Speaker 1: the entire country. It is this stuff is is what

3276
03:16:54,959 --> 03:16:58,360
Speaker 1: the conservative platform is now, and I think it is

3277
03:16:59,040 --> 03:17:02,480
Speaker 1: It is just as it's important to emphasize that this

3278
03:17:02,600 --> 03:17:06,440
Speaker 1: is what the modern conservative mainstream is, and it is

3279
03:17:06,480 --> 03:17:08,280
Speaker 1: it is. It is just as important to say that

3280
03:17:08,320 --> 03:17:11,080
Speaker 1: as it is to tie it and tie this rhetoric

3281
03:17:11,320 --> 03:17:15,039
Speaker 1: to the history of fascism, because the Overton window is

3282
03:17:15,080 --> 03:17:18,879
Speaker 1: certainly accelerating. Right, Like, this thing can both be heavily

3283
03:17:18,920 --> 03:17:22,039
Speaker 1: steeped in the history of fascist rhetoric and also be

3284
03:17:22,200 --> 03:17:24,920
Speaker 1: like the new up and coming version of the conservative

3285
03:17:25,000 --> 03:17:27,720
Speaker 1: right that the Daily Wire and its allies are trying

3286
03:17:27,720 --> 03:17:30,440
Speaker 1: to normalize. And I just think that is, that is

3287
03:17:30,440 --> 03:17:32,200
Speaker 1: something that I that I am trying to focus on

3288
03:17:32,240 --> 03:17:34,000
Speaker 1: a little bit more when I when I'm doing my

3289
03:17:34,040 --> 03:17:37,280
Speaker 1: writing and my research in these topics. Um is that

3290
03:17:38,280 --> 03:17:40,760
Speaker 1: we often will use terms like fascist because these things

3291
03:17:40,760 --> 03:17:44,160
Speaker 1: are are are pretty fascist, and I want to make

3292
03:17:44,160 --> 03:17:46,760
Speaker 1: sure that doesn't like create this false distance in people's

3293
03:17:46,840 --> 03:17:49,680
Speaker 1: in people's minds when they when they think about these bills,

3294
03:17:49,720 --> 03:17:52,640
Speaker 1: when they and when they think about this rhetoric. Yeah,

3295
03:17:52,800 --> 03:17:56,480
Speaker 1: and I and I think I think the way in

3296
03:17:56,520 --> 03:18:00,680
Speaker 1: which this is simply what the modern right is demands

3297
03:18:00,840 --> 03:18:03,920
Speaker 1: a different kind of response than a lot of what

3298
03:18:04,000 --> 03:18:08,119
Speaker 1: we've been seeing so far. Yeah, you can't simply try

3299
03:18:08,120 --> 03:18:11,160
Speaker 1: to catch them in their contradictions. You can't simply catch

3300
03:18:11,200 --> 03:18:14,520
Speaker 1: them in their hypocrisy. Every every tactic that liberals tried

3301
03:18:14,560 --> 03:18:16,879
Speaker 1: to use against Trump in the lead up to his election,

3302
03:18:16,920 --> 03:18:19,840
Speaker 1: and even Republicans try to use those tactics aren't going

3303
03:18:19,840 --> 03:18:22,360
Speaker 1: to be successful here because they weren't successful back then.

3304
03:18:22,400 --> 03:18:25,600
Speaker 1: Like you can't, you can't like outthink them in that

3305
03:18:25,800 --> 03:18:28,720
Speaker 1: in that way. Well, but the reason that you like

3306
03:18:29,440 --> 03:18:31,000
Speaker 1: when you when you call out, say the governor of

3307
03:18:31,080 --> 03:18:33,480
Speaker 1: Tennessee or lieutenant governor or whatever Tennessee for about his

3308
03:18:33,520 --> 03:18:36,280
Speaker 1: hypocrisy and how addressed and dragon stuff, it's not that.

3309
03:18:38,040 --> 03:18:40,640
Speaker 1: The thing that that does to defend it a little

3310
03:18:40,640 --> 03:18:43,680
Speaker 1: bit to that calling out is it doesn't make his supporters,

3311
03:18:43,720 --> 03:18:45,640
Speaker 1: It doesn't change his mind, It doesn't expose him as

3312
03:18:45,640 --> 03:18:48,880
Speaker 1: a hypocrite to his base, but it does expose him

3313
03:18:48,879 --> 03:18:51,520
Speaker 1: as a hypocrite to his enemies. UM, and I think

3314
03:18:51,520 --> 03:18:55,400
Speaker 1: it is worth understanding that are the people who have

3315
03:18:55,480 --> 03:18:58,680
Speaker 1: declared us their enemies. It's worth understanding that they are

3316
03:18:58,720 --> 03:19:02,680
Speaker 1: not like UM more worally consistent actors. You know, it

3317
03:19:02,800 --> 03:19:05,240
Speaker 1: is worth understanding that they don't believe the things they

3318
03:19:05,240 --> 03:19:09,400
Speaker 1: are saying. A lot of their base does. But so

3319
03:19:09,480 --> 03:19:11,560
Speaker 1: I actually do think that there is a point. Um,

3320
03:19:11,600 --> 03:19:14,360
Speaker 1: all of the shit talk on Trump or whatever. UM,

3321
03:19:14,400 --> 03:19:16,280
Speaker 1: I think might be part of how Trump didn't get

3322
03:19:16,280 --> 03:19:18,879
Speaker 1: elected again is because he as he got more and

3323
03:19:18,920 --> 03:19:21,560
Speaker 1: more defensive, he looked more and more ridiculous, not to

3324
03:19:21,640 --> 03:19:26,120
Speaker 1: his base, but to uh to the middle, which is

3325
03:19:26,160 --> 03:19:29,119
Speaker 1: basically the Democrats at this point. Yeah, it was able

3326
03:19:29,120 --> 03:19:34,200
Speaker 1: to recruit like a growing moderate oppositional force, which was

3327
03:19:34,360 --> 03:19:37,800
Speaker 1: what beat Trump. Trump was not beaten because people liked Biden.

3328
03:19:38,200 --> 03:19:40,039
Speaker 1: He was beaten because they didn't like Trump. And I

3329
03:19:40,040 --> 03:19:42,240
Speaker 1: think you are you are right in having that that

3330
03:19:42,360 --> 03:19:44,560
Speaker 1: is a point to focus on. Um. I think it's

3331
03:19:44,640 --> 03:19:47,880
Speaker 1: it's important to mention that like fascists do not believe

3332
03:19:47,920 --> 03:19:50,600
Speaker 1: in the absurdity of what they say, um, it is

3333
03:19:50,959 --> 03:19:54,680
Speaker 1: that that is not necessary to maintain fascism. Yeah, and

3334
03:19:56,400 --> 03:20:00,720
Speaker 1: I think I think so. The position we're at right

3335
03:20:00,760 --> 03:20:03,560
Speaker 1: now is a very very strange one for the left,

3336
03:20:03,760 --> 03:20:07,879
Speaker 1: which is that we're in a position where, you know,

3337
03:20:07,879 --> 03:20:10,480
Speaker 1: when when when the Republicans tried to run on this

3338
03:20:10,520 --> 03:20:13,879
Speaker 1: shit in in twenty twenty two, they got destroyed. Right,

3339
03:20:13,879 --> 03:20:18,760
Speaker 1: this is actually have mass popularity. This is what I

3340
03:20:18,760 --> 03:20:21,680
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about next I have this is this

3341
03:20:21,760 --> 03:20:23,800
Speaker 1: is the very last section I have written is on

3342
03:20:23,840 --> 03:20:27,600
Speaker 1: this topic, because yeah, this off putting focus on like

3343
03:20:27,640 --> 03:20:30,800
Speaker 1: a genocide and like the culture war stuff seemed to

3344
03:20:30,920 --> 03:20:34,959
Speaker 1: hurt conservatives in the last election cycle ended, and yet

3345
03:20:35,000 --> 03:20:38,560
Speaker 1: again there they are. They are still doubling down on it. Um.

3346
03:20:38,879 --> 03:20:42,000
Speaker 1: Voters in some of swing states were turned off by

3347
03:20:42,000 --> 03:20:46,000
Speaker 1: the focus on the regression of queer rights instead of

3348
03:20:46,040 --> 03:20:50,200
Speaker 1: like actually addressing material conditions. This strategy, though, is a

3349
03:20:50,200 --> 03:20:53,160
Speaker 1: core concept of the fascist project right. Instead of addressing

3350
03:20:53,160 --> 03:20:56,200
Speaker 1: material conditions under capitalism to improve people's lives, right wing

3351
03:20:56,240 --> 03:20:59,400
Speaker 1: populists will conjure up this culture war bilgie Man to

3352
03:20:59,480 --> 03:21:02,160
Speaker 1: blame all of like society's problems on and to to

3353
03:21:02,680 --> 03:21:06,400
Speaker 1: talk about the social war that is contributing to degeneracy.

3354
03:21:08,440 --> 03:21:11,720
Speaker 1: I also think that they're winning, unfortunately not winning in

3355
03:21:11,800 --> 03:21:15,480
Speaker 1: a broader sense, but in terms of um, yes, this

3356
03:21:15,560 --> 03:21:17,959
Speaker 1: is a very unpopular issue that they're doubling down on.

3357
03:21:18,280 --> 03:21:21,600
Speaker 1: But I think that, um, you know, I've I've seen

3358
03:21:21,640 --> 03:21:24,359
Speaker 1: studies where like a higher percentage of the US population

3359
03:21:24,920 --> 03:21:28,200
Speaker 1: supports anti trans stuff than did two years ago. It's

3360
03:21:28,200 --> 03:21:31,480
Speaker 1: still a minority thing to hate trans people, but it

3361
03:21:31,600 --> 03:21:34,760
Speaker 1: is a growing minority. Um. Yes, which is why, like

3362
03:21:34,760 --> 03:21:36,400
Speaker 1: we're talking about how in a lot of ways it's

3363
03:21:36,520 --> 03:21:39,640
Speaker 1: easier to be trans in twenty fifteen than it is now.

3364
03:21:40,120 --> 03:21:43,200
Speaker 1: Um And And kind of on that point, I'm going

3365
03:21:43,240 --> 03:21:45,800
Speaker 1: to play the very final clip of Michael Knowles. We

3366
03:21:46,080 --> 03:21:49,840
Speaker 1: will never have to hear his voice again, hopefully his

3367
03:21:50,000 --> 03:21:54,120
Speaker 1: annoying little voice. UM. But I'm I'm gonna play a

3368
03:21:54,160 --> 03:21:56,920
Speaker 1: bit of a longer clip from him. Um. And this

3369
03:21:57,000 --> 03:22:00,640
Speaker 1: is from his initial like band Transgenderism entire early rant.

3370
03:22:01,000 --> 03:22:03,920
Speaker 1: And I'm only going to play this because he actually

3371
03:22:03,959 --> 03:22:07,000
Speaker 1: makes a point that we ourselves have made before when

3372
03:22:07,000 --> 03:22:11,480
Speaker 1: discussing this topic. The conservative right is desperately trying to

3373
03:22:11,520 --> 03:22:14,959
Speaker 1: play catch up. Right, Us who believe in like liberation

3374
03:22:15,080 --> 03:22:19,320
Speaker 1: and freedom have been winning historically, and the rights getting

3375
03:22:19,440 --> 03:22:22,879
Speaker 1: very scared and desperate. So in response, they're introducing all

3376
03:22:22,879 --> 03:22:25,520
Speaker 1: of these bills, right, and they're accelerating these types of

3377
03:22:25,920 --> 03:22:31,000
Speaker 1: eliminationist rhetoric. But in this clip, Michael Knowles provides us

3378
03:22:31,000 --> 03:22:33,960
Speaker 1: with our pathway to victory. We cannot simply hold our

3379
03:22:34,000 --> 03:22:36,920
Speaker 1: ground on these issues. We have to keep pushing forward.

3380
03:22:36,920 --> 03:22:39,879
Speaker 1: Because as long as we keep going forward and get

3381
03:22:39,920 --> 03:22:42,240
Speaker 1: on the offense, the right will be stuck playing a

3382
03:22:42,320 --> 03:22:46,680
Speaker 1: catch up forever. And it reminds us of a truth

3383
03:22:46,680 --> 03:22:50,560
Speaker 1: and politics that Republicans all too often forget. You're either

3384
03:22:50,840 --> 03:22:56,560
Speaker 1: on offense or you're on defense. You're either making gains

3385
03:22:56,600 --> 03:22:59,199
Speaker 1: in the culture or you're losing ground in the culture.

3386
03:22:59,240 --> 03:23:02,439
Speaker 1: There's no standing still, there's no status quo, there's no neutrality.

3387
03:23:02,600 --> 03:23:04,840
Speaker 1: And what the Conservatives have screwed up on for at

3388
03:23:04,920 --> 03:23:08,360
Speaker 1: least fifty years now, probably more, is the Libs make

3389
03:23:08,480 --> 03:23:11,760
Speaker 1: some crazy aggressive play and then we try to dial

3390
03:23:11,800 --> 03:23:15,200
Speaker 1: it back by about five to ten percent, or worse,

3391
03:23:15,280 --> 03:23:18,400
Speaker 1: we try to slow it down by about five to

3392
03:23:18,400 --> 03:23:22,920
Speaker 1: ten percent. So the Libs attack the family through feminism,

3393
03:23:23,640 --> 03:23:27,480
Speaker 1: the fundamental political institution. They claim that men and women

3394
03:23:27,480 --> 03:23:31,160
Speaker 1: are basically the same. That takes the culture pretty far

3395
03:23:31,200 --> 03:23:33,920
Speaker 1: to the left. And then Conservatives try to try to

3396
03:23:33,959 --> 03:23:36,280
Speaker 1: inch it back a little bit, but not by the

3397
03:23:36,280 --> 03:23:38,680
Speaker 1: time they're even thinking about inching it back, the Libs

3398
03:23:38,720 --> 03:23:41,840
Speaker 1: push forward with the normalization of other sexual practices. They

3399
03:23:41,920 --> 03:23:45,160
Speaker 1: agree with this, and then by the time the Conservatives

3400
03:23:45,160 --> 03:23:47,240
Speaker 1: are trying to dial all that back, they've lurched much

3401
03:23:47,280 --> 03:23:49,920
Speaker 1: further to the left. They're trying to redefine marriage. Now

3402
03:23:50,040 --> 03:23:51,960
Speaker 1: they're saying redefine marriage. Well, I don't know. I guess

3403
03:23:51,959 --> 03:23:53,360
Speaker 1: we could come to some kind of terms with a

3404
03:23:53,440 --> 03:23:55,680
Speaker 1: civil union. And by the time you say that, they've

3405
03:23:55,959 --> 03:23:58,480
Speaker 1: lurched even further to the left. Now they're saying, actually,

3406
03:23:58,480 --> 03:24:01,560
Speaker 1: we've got transgenderism. She Now a man can become a woman,

3407
03:24:01,560 --> 03:24:04,480
Speaker 1: a man can become a woman. Okay, but but maybe

3408
03:24:04,480 --> 03:24:05,920
Speaker 1: we shouldn't do it till mind. By the time we

3409
03:24:05,959 --> 03:24:07,840
Speaker 1: say that, oh my gosh, we're now we're all the

3410
03:24:07,879 --> 03:24:10,119
Speaker 1: way off the screen because now they're trying to train

3411
03:24:10,120 --> 03:24:13,000
Speaker 1: as the kids. And there are many conservatives never were saying, Look,

3412
03:24:13,240 --> 03:24:14,400
Speaker 1: if you want, if you're a man and you want

3413
03:24:14,400 --> 03:24:16,080
Speaker 1: to put on address, that's fine, but just don't do

3414
03:24:16,120 --> 03:24:19,480
Speaker 1: it to children. Just don't make me pay for it. No,

3415
03:24:20,640 --> 03:24:23,720
Speaker 1: that is such an interesting little cliff. No, I mean

3416
03:24:24,280 --> 03:24:26,000
Speaker 1: it's funny because this is like kind of this is

3417
03:24:26,040 --> 03:24:27,760
Speaker 1: what I've been saying for a long time, since about

3418
03:24:27,760 --> 03:24:30,680
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen or so, like looking at the rise all

3419
03:24:30,760 --> 03:24:32,920
Speaker 1: this shit and you know, Trump and all that is

3420
03:24:32,959 --> 03:24:36,400
Speaker 1: that we were winning. Culturally, I hate the word culture

3421
03:24:36,440 --> 03:24:39,080
Speaker 1: war now means something different. It means arguing about guns

3422
03:24:39,160 --> 03:24:44,240
Speaker 1: or whatever. But like we were winning on a cultural

3423
03:24:44,360 --> 03:24:48,960
Speaker 1: front very dramatically, and like I would point to Stephen

3424
03:24:49,120 --> 03:24:52,840
Speaker 1: Universe as the evidence that we are winning, right, you know.

3425
03:24:54,400 --> 03:24:57,279
Speaker 1: And then they basically had to play to their strengths.

3426
03:24:57,600 --> 03:25:00,680
Speaker 1: And he's talking about He's like, look, the it's funny

3427
03:25:00,720 --> 03:25:02,480
Speaker 1: that so much this is happening on a cultural front

3428
03:25:02,720 --> 03:25:07,000
Speaker 1: because it is not a conservative strength. They have some

3429
03:25:07,080 --> 03:25:09,600
Speaker 1: cards in their hand when it comes to cultural stuff,

3430
03:25:09,640 --> 03:25:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, the antimidarity stuff when it does weird, anti semitic,

3431
03:25:15,480 --> 03:25:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, almost anti capitalism or whatever. That's like a

3432
03:25:17,920 --> 03:25:20,120
Speaker 1: strong card they like pulling out all the time. But

3433
03:25:20,160 --> 03:25:22,320
Speaker 1: conservatives overall are not very good at the cultural thing.

3434
03:25:22,320 --> 03:25:26,240
Speaker 1: But they're good at is politics and violence. And so

3435
03:25:26,400 --> 03:25:29,520
Speaker 1: they're playing to their immediate strengths as hard and fast

3436
03:25:29,520 --> 03:25:32,200
Speaker 1: as they can because they're on their back foot. Yeah, no,

3437
03:25:32,320 --> 03:25:35,840
Speaker 1: they are. They they're defaulting to advocating physical violence and

3438
03:25:35,959 --> 03:25:39,280
Speaker 1: enforcing their worldview with violence and advocate and doing stuff

3439
03:25:39,280 --> 03:25:43,119
Speaker 1: on like the political legislative front because they've realized just

3440
03:25:43,360 --> 03:25:46,960
Speaker 1: screaming about transpeople isn't enough. They have to actually start

3441
03:25:47,160 --> 03:25:50,640
Speaker 1: dedicating millions and millions and millions of dollars to pushing

3442
03:25:50,640 --> 03:25:53,680
Speaker 1: these through state legislative cycles, which is why The Daily

3443
03:25:53,680 --> 03:25:55,879
Speaker 1: Wire has su spent the past month and a half

3444
03:25:56,160 --> 03:25:59,040
Speaker 1: harping on this so hard as the legislative cycle for

3445
03:25:59,040 --> 03:26:03,000
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three is starting to like ramp up. Yeah,

3446
03:26:03,040 --> 03:26:05,360
Speaker 1: And I think there's another thing here, which is the

3447
03:26:05,400 --> 03:26:08,760
Speaker 1: sort of fundamental disparity, you know, the fact that they've

3448
03:26:08,840 --> 03:26:13,480
Speaker 1: chosen this front, right, there's a fundamental disparity in what

3449
03:26:13,520 --> 03:26:15,720
Speaker 1: they have to do versus what we have to do. Right,

3450
03:26:16,080 --> 03:26:18,520
Speaker 1: and and this this, this is a giant sort of

3451
03:26:19,560 --> 03:26:24,360
Speaker 1: shift in a way that I don't think has we

3452
03:26:24,400 --> 03:26:26,400
Speaker 1: don't I don't think the left really has much experience

3453
03:26:26,440 --> 03:26:28,160
Speaker 1: with right, which is like, the thing that is happening

3454
03:26:28,200 --> 03:26:29,840
Speaker 1: in the US right now is that we are the

3455
03:26:29,840 --> 03:26:33,880
Speaker 1: silent majority, Like this is this is true when when

3456
03:26:33,959 --> 03:26:36,160
Speaker 1: like consistently over and over again, when you when you

3457
03:26:36,200 --> 03:26:39,880
Speaker 1: look at polling on these issues, right, like just regular

3458
03:26:39,959 --> 03:26:42,760
Speaker 1: people are like, what the fuck are you guys doing? Right?

3459
03:26:42,879 --> 03:26:47,040
Speaker 1: The problem is that you know, we haven't those people

3460
03:26:47,040 --> 03:26:50,120
Speaker 1: haven't been mobilized. And you know, it doesn't matter if

3461
03:26:50,120 --> 03:26:52,520
Speaker 1: you're a majority as long as these sort of like

3462
03:26:52,560 --> 03:26:55,720
Speaker 1: you know, because because again, like who the actual majority

3463
03:26:56,040 --> 03:26:58,560
Speaker 1: is in the us or like who actually what what

3464
03:26:58,560 --> 03:27:02,080
Speaker 1: what actual regular people believe has very very little impact

3465
03:27:02,560 --> 03:27:04,400
Speaker 1: on the kinds of policies that are that are that

3466
03:27:04,400 --> 03:27:06,920
Speaker 1: are sort of enacted. But you know, but there's a

3467
03:27:06,959 --> 03:27:09,840
Speaker 1: second sort of issue here, right, which is the conservatives

3468
03:27:09,879 --> 03:27:13,000
Speaker 1: have like, because of the fact that we are, right now,

3469
03:27:13,120 --> 03:27:15,119
Speaker 1: the sort of silent majority that we have a kind

3470
03:27:15,879 --> 03:27:17,879
Speaker 1: of I guess you know, the gramsyan thing would be

3471
03:27:17,920 --> 03:27:20,640
Speaker 1: like hegemony, right, but like we have we have an

3472
03:27:20,640 --> 03:27:25,880
Speaker 1: advantage in just how average people behave. Right, they have

3473
03:27:26,000 --> 03:27:29,120
Speaker 1: to kill us, they have to fucking kill us. They

3474
03:27:29,120 --> 03:27:30,840
Speaker 1: have to make it illegal for us to exist, and

3475
03:27:30,879 --> 03:27:33,400
Speaker 1: they could do this right there, there is a there

3476
03:27:33,440 --> 03:27:35,240
Speaker 1: is a real there is a real possibility that they

3477
03:27:35,240 --> 03:27:37,840
Speaker 1: can win. Right. They are winning on this rent right now.

3478
03:27:38,240 --> 03:27:40,000
Speaker 1: This is this is what they are you know, in

3479
03:27:40,000 --> 03:27:41,720
Speaker 1: the places where they have power. This is what they

3480
03:27:41,720 --> 03:27:45,879
Speaker 1: are doing. All we really have to do is survive.

3481
03:27:46,879 --> 03:27:50,880
Speaker 1: Because if if we survive and we're able to stop them,

3482
03:27:51,160 --> 03:27:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, even if we don't get sort

3483
03:27:52,600 --> 03:27:54,840
Speaker 1: of like Argentina style, like we're gonna have like like

3484
03:27:54,920 --> 03:27:57,160
Speaker 1: hiring mandates for trans people, right, Like, even if we

3485
03:27:57,240 --> 03:28:00,760
Speaker 1: just hold the ground that we already have, we will

3486
03:28:00,760 --> 03:28:06,400
Speaker 1: win inevitably, right, like the sort of march of where

3487
03:28:06,440 --> 03:28:09,440
Speaker 1: of where the culture has been going will favor us.

3488
03:28:09,560 --> 03:28:11,680
Speaker 1: Trans people will be able to sort of exist in public.

3489
03:28:11,680 --> 03:28:15,640
Speaker 1: Trans people will be able to survive unless they kill

3490
03:28:15,720 --> 03:28:18,920
Speaker 1: us right now. And that's that's that's sort of that's

3491
03:28:18,920 --> 03:28:22,000
Speaker 1: the sort of the key thing that that Knowles has realized, right,

3492
03:28:22,080 --> 03:28:26,600
Speaker 1: is that this is the critical moments where either we

3493
03:28:26,680 --> 03:28:28,879
Speaker 1: win and we interns people get to continue our lives,

3494
03:28:29,000 --> 03:28:32,039
Speaker 1: or they kill us. I would argue that it's not

3495
03:28:32,240 --> 03:28:35,000
Speaker 1: just kill us. I think that even though we're listening

3496
03:28:35,040 --> 03:28:38,080
Speaker 1: to all this exterminationist rhetoric, I think that the odds

3497
03:28:38,080 --> 03:28:40,120
Speaker 1: are that most of these people don't actually envision a

3498
03:28:40,160 --> 03:28:42,240
Speaker 1: future where they're like rounding us up and putting us

3499
03:28:42,240 --> 03:28:45,000
Speaker 1: in camps and gassing us. I think that overall, it's

3500
03:28:45,040 --> 03:28:47,960
Speaker 1: a drive back into the closet. I actually I actually

3501
03:28:48,000 --> 03:28:50,680
Speaker 1: take them at their word that they want to destroy transgenderism,

3502
03:28:51,040 --> 03:28:54,720
Speaker 1: and if transgender people have to die along the way,

3503
03:28:54,760 --> 03:28:58,240
Speaker 1: that's on us. But if we, you know, put on

3504
03:28:58,280 --> 03:29:02,039
Speaker 1: appropriate clothing and shut the fuck up, like, I actually

3505
03:29:02,040 --> 03:29:04,760
Speaker 1: think that that would suit them just fine. So I

3506
03:29:04,800 --> 03:29:07,920
Speaker 1: actually think they have to kill transgenderism. I think that's

3507
03:29:07,959 --> 03:29:11,200
Speaker 1: true now, but I don't know how true that is

3508
03:29:11,480 --> 03:29:14,960
Speaker 1: as they keep actually having to implement there. They don't

3509
03:29:14,959 --> 03:29:17,840
Speaker 1: think being trans actually exists though, right like they they

3510
03:29:17,879 --> 03:29:20,720
Speaker 1: think it just is people doing these things. So as

3511
03:29:20,720 --> 03:29:24,600
Speaker 1: long as trans people are able to, for one, maybe

3512
03:29:24,600 --> 03:29:28,280
Speaker 1: even not even realize their trans to like repress that

3513
03:29:28,480 --> 03:29:30,320
Speaker 1: and just live their lives as if they were as

3514
03:29:30,360 --> 03:29:33,520
Speaker 1: this person, that that that is all that that that's

3515
03:29:33,520 --> 03:29:35,920
Speaker 1: what conservatives think trans people already are. And I think

3516
03:29:35,959 --> 03:29:37,720
Speaker 1: that that is a large part. That is a large

3517
03:29:37,800 --> 03:29:40,000
Speaker 1: large part of it is making us just not able

3518
03:29:40,040 --> 03:29:43,320
Speaker 1: to be trans in public life at all in any capacity.

3519
03:29:43,360 --> 03:29:46,320
Speaker 1: I think that's true, but I don't. I don't think

3520
03:29:46,440 --> 03:29:50,400
Speaker 1: they can. I don't think their political path allows them

3521
03:29:50,440 --> 03:29:53,920
Speaker 1: to maintain that position. Like I don't. I don't think

3522
03:29:54,000 --> 03:29:56,440
Speaker 1: they can, Like I like, you know what, one of

3523
03:29:56,480 --> 03:29:58,039
Speaker 1: one of the things that's happening with with right right

3524
03:29:58,080 --> 03:30:00,560
Speaker 1: now is they're they're they're they're doing those feedback right

3525
03:30:00,600 --> 03:30:02,840
Speaker 1: where they get you know, like like where where they're

3526
03:30:02,879 --> 03:30:05,480
Speaker 1: they're sort of media people right or are continuously radicalized

3527
03:30:05,480 --> 03:30:08,199
Speaker 1: by their base, and their base radicalizes them back. And

3528
03:30:08,320 --> 03:30:11,119
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think they can maintain an equlibrium

3529
03:30:11,160 --> 03:30:13,440
Speaker 1: position that doesn't involve like we have to hunt all

3530
03:30:13,440 --> 03:30:15,200
Speaker 1: these people down to make sure they don't go after

3531
03:30:15,200 --> 03:30:17,200
Speaker 1: our kids. Like I know, I don't don't think they're

3532
03:30:17,200 --> 03:30:18,440
Speaker 1: gonna I don't think they're doing that now. I don't

3533
03:30:18,440 --> 03:30:21,120
Speaker 1: think they're planning that now. But it's it's I don't

3534
03:30:21,160 --> 03:30:25,080
Speaker 1: know how they can keep up this cycle without eventually

3535
03:30:25,120 --> 03:30:28,680
Speaker 1: getting to something like that. Well it's worth, it's worth

3536
03:30:28,720 --> 03:30:32,480
Speaker 1: being prepared for that type of possibility. But the kind

3537
03:30:32,480 --> 03:30:34,480
Speaker 1: of thing that I feel like, really strongly about with

3538
03:30:34,480 --> 03:30:37,160
Speaker 1: all of this is to like really not like the

3539
03:30:37,200 --> 03:30:39,720
Speaker 1: sky is falling, but it's not falling the way that

3540
03:30:39,720 --> 03:30:43,680
Speaker 1: we sometimes say it is. And and when we say

3541
03:30:43,680 --> 03:30:45,480
Speaker 1: this guy is falling in a way that people look

3542
03:30:45,480 --> 03:30:47,080
Speaker 1: around they're like, oh, just know how this guy is

3543
03:30:47,080 --> 03:30:49,560
Speaker 1: falling to me, then people get like, well, actually, I

3544
03:30:49,600 --> 03:30:52,560
Speaker 1: think you all are being hyperbolic, right, yes, And and

3545
03:30:52,600 --> 03:30:55,520
Speaker 1: so I think that we do need to be really

3546
03:30:55,560 --> 03:31:00,760
Speaker 1: clear that they are open to the possibility of mass

3547
03:31:00,879 --> 03:31:05,920
Speaker 1: murdering us, and they are actively discussing individual acts of

3548
03:31:06,000 --> 03:31:10,840
Speaker 1: violence being very justified against us. But currently I believe

3549
03:31:10,879 --> 03:31:12,840
Speaker 1: the thing that they are trying to do is eradicate

3550
03:31:13,560 --> 03:31:18,160
Speaker 1: the concept of being trans as a thing you can

3551
03:31:18,240 --> 03:31:23,680
Speaker 1: do in American society. And of course, like there's a

3552
03:31:23,680 --> 03:31:27,360
Speaker 1: lot of people who believe in death before detransition, and

3553
03:31:27,840 --> 03:31:30,039
Speaker 1: all fucking power to I don't even know where I

3554
03:31:30,080 --> 03:31:31,600
Speaker 1: fall in all this shit. I'm not trying to. I

3555
03:31:31,640 --> 03:31:33,280
Speaker 1: literally don't want to opine about it because I don't

3556
03:31:33,280 --> 03:31:36,400
Speaker 1: want to give anyone. I don't want to tell anyone

3557
03:31:36,440 --> 03:31:38,240
Speaker 1: to do about that shit. Right, Everyone makes their own

3558
03:31:38,280 --> 03:31:42,320
Speaker 1: decisions about closeting not closeting based on their own positions,

3559
03:31:42,400 --> 03:31:45,600
Speaker 1: you know. But I think we do have to be

3560
03:31:45,680 --> 03:31:47,560
Speaker 1: like careful about it. And I think one of the

3561
03:31:47,600 --> 03:31:52,080
Speaker 1: reasons is because, from my point of view, they have

3562
03:31:52,160 --> 03:31:54,720
Speaker 1: picked trans people not because they care so much about us,

3563
03:31:54,760 --> 03:31:57,760
Speaker 1: but because we're a wedge issue. You know. We saw

3564
03:31:57,800 --> 03:32:01,160
Speaker 1: this in like actually I don't want to name them

3565
03:32:01,160 --> 03:32:03,240
Speaker 1: because I don't want to get or whatever, like different

3566
03:32:03,800 --> 03:32:08,080
Speaker 1: large coalitions of LGBT people were perfectly willing to drop

3567
03:32:08,120 --> 03:32:10,520
Speaker 1: the T twenty years ago if in order to get

3568
03:32:10,560 --> 03:32:13,080
Speaker 1: certain like equal rights ship passed. They just like straight

3569
03:32:13,160 --> 03:32:15,480
Speaker 1: up like trans people did all this fucking work organizing

3570
03:32:15,480 --> 03:32:17,360
Speaker 1: for this ship. As soon as it got to like

3571
03:32:17,680 --> 03:32:20,279
Speaker 1: higher up level in the government. They were like, oh,

3572
03:32:20,360 --> 03:32:22,520
Speaker 1: trans people, that's gonna be a problem. We're gonna take

3573
03:32:22,560 --> 03:32:27,000
Speaker 1: them off of their right and you know, and because

3574
03:32:27,040 --> 03:32:30,480
Speaker 1: we are a wedge issue, and we always have been,

3575
03:32:30,520 --> 03:32:32,200
Speaker 1: and I think the Nazis used us in a very

3576
03:32:32,240 --> 03:32:38,080
Speaker 1: similar way. But even within US, there's trans sorry, there's

3577
03:32:38,080 --> 03:32:41,240
Speaker 1: wedge issues within that. And so sports was the first

3578
03:32:41,280 --> 03:32:44,039
Speaker 1: wedge issue. I actually believe I was reading this earlier,

3579
03:32:44,040 --> 03:32:45,480
Speaker 1: but I wasn't reading it for this, so I didn't

3580
03:32:45,480 --> 03:32:49,000
Speaker 1: take notes. I believe that the majority of Americans do

3581
03:32:49,040 --> 03:32:51,240
Speaker 1: not believe that trans people should be able to compete

3582
03:32:52,200 --> 03:32:58,760
Speaker 1: in high school sports based on their preferred gender. I'm

3583
03:32:58,800 --> 03:33:01,520
Speaker 1: under the impression that is minority position to be trans

3584
03:33:01,560 --> 03:33:05,640
Speaker 1: supportive of trans athletes in school. And so that is

3585
03:33:05,680 --> 03:33:08,600
Speaker 1: the wedge issue that they used to open up this

3586
03:33:08,640 --> 03:33:12,640
Speaker 1: divide in order to then come at us. But we're

3587
03:33:12,680 --> 03:33:14,720
Speaker 1: still just a wedge issue. And one of the reasons

3588
03:33:14,800 --> 03:33:16,560
Speaker 1: I think it's so important for people to understand us

3589
03:33:16,560 --> 03:33:18,840
Speaker 1: as a wedge issue is so that people understand, like

3590
03:33:18,959 --> 03:33:21,480
Speaker 1: really clearly that they are not fucking stopping with us.

3591
03:33:22,959 --> 03:33:25,480
Speaker 1: You know, this is like absolutely about like you can

3592
03:33:25,560 --> 03:33:27,200
Speaker 1: hear it, and that guy talking because one of the

3593
03:33:27,200 --> 03:33:29,320
Speaker 1: other things he's talking about is he's talking about like

3594
03:33:29,760 --> 03:33:31,720
Speaker 1: women need to get back in the kitchen and be

3595
03:33:31,760 --> 03:33:34,120
Speaker 1: obedient to their husbands and shit. And one of the

3596
03:33:34,160 --> 03:33:37,080
Speaker 1: reasons that trans people scare them so much is because

3597
03:33:37,080 --> 03:33:40,040
Speaker 1: we like, like it's so funny because like largely, by

3598
03:33:40,080 --> 03:33:42,039
Speaker 1: and large, like trans men are left out of this

3599
03:33:42,080 --> 03:33:44,200
Speaker 1: discussion and trans women are seeing these like evil monsters

3600
03:33:44,280 --> 03:33:47,120
Speaker 1: or whatever. Right, but trans men are absolutely part of

3601
03:33:47,120 --> 03:33:53,400
Speaker 1: it because massive threat. Absolutely because it's stealing women from them.

3602
03:33:53,440 --> 03:33:57,360
Speaker 1: It is stealing their fucking wives that they want to have.

3603
03:33:57,600 --> 03:34:00,800
Speaker 1: They want to fucking own women, and like so they

3604
03:34:00,879 --> 03:34:04,080
Speaker 1: can't handle the idea of anyway whatever. I know a

3605
03:34:04,080 --> 03:34:05,600
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of the things they get so

3606
03:34:05,640 --> 03:34:08,320
Speaker 1: mad about is when they see a young transgai on

3607
03:34:08,400 --> 03:34:10,960
Speaker 1: TikTok and they're like, look, sorry, this is going to

3608
03:34:11,040 --> 03:34:14,119
Speaker 1: be like gross, but like, look at this potentially beautiful

3609
03:34:14,160 --> 03:34:20,280
Speaker 1: woman who's now been ruined, like just horrible, horrible, horrible, right,

3610
03:34:20,480 --> 03:34:22,400
Speaker 1: But that is but we have so many grown men,

3611
03:34:22,520 --> 03:34:25,560
Speaker 1: like thirsting over fourteen year old like a fab people

3612
03:34:25,800 --> 03:34:27,840
Speaker 1: who are who are deciding that hey, maybe I want

3613
03:34:27,840 --> 03:34:29,920
Speaker 1: to start HRT, maybe I want to use different pronouns

3614
03:34:29,959 --> 03:34:32,800
Speaker 1: maybe I want to have a binder and this They

3615
03:34:32,840 --> 03:34:35,680
Speaker 1: get so so mad at that. And I think a

3616
03:34:35,760 --> 03:34:38,840
Speaker 1: big part of not not simply I think, I think

3617
03:34:38,840 --> 03:34:41,000
Speaker 1: it is truly not enough just to hold our ground.

3618
03:34:41,040 --> 03:34:42,840
Speaker 1: We have to keep going forward. And a big part

3619
03:34:42,879 --> 03:34:46,760
Speaker 1: of that is having more intersectionality with transmasculine people. A

3620
03:34:46,800 --> 03:34:49,119
Speaker 1: big part of that is having a much much more

3621
03:34:49,120 --> 03:34:51,560
Speaker 1: of a focus on gender not nonconforming people and non

3622
03:34:51,560 --> 03:34:55,039
Speaker 1: binary people. Um. Because we have we have to keep

3623
03:34:55,080 --> 03:34:57,120
Speaker 1: pushing it forward. We cannot simply hold our ground on

3624
03:34:57,160 --> 03:35:00,080
Speaker 1: this because if if we simply hold our ground, they

3625
03:35:00,080 --> 03:35:02,879
Speaker 1: can pull out the rug from from under us. UM.

3626
03:35:03,240 --> 03:35:05,360
Speaker 1: So I think that is that is that is a

3627
03:35:05,400 --> 03:35:07,760
Speaker 1: massive part of this, and I think I do believe

3628
03:35:07,760 --> 03:35:11,120
Speaker 1: that we will win. I fundamentally do because if you

3629
03:35:11,200 --> 03:35:13,920
Speaker 1: look at if you look at like the rights of

3630
03:35:13,920 --> 03:35:18,080
Speaker 1: which young people zoomers and even the generation younger than zoobers,

3631
03:35:18,080 --> 03:35:20,400
Speaker 1: I do not know what they're called, um, but if

3632
03:35:20,440 --> 03:35:23,119
Speaker 1: you look at the amount of amount of us who

3633
03:35:23,200 --> 03:35:26,800
Speaker 1: are who who self identify us non binary, trans or

3634
03:35:26,840 --> 03:35:30,640
Speaker 1: gender nonconforming, it is so much bigger than any previous

3635
03:35:30,920 --> 03:35:35,320
Speaker 1: generation people. Once people experience a form of freedom, it

3636
03:35:35,480 --> 03:35:38,360
Speaker 1: is hard to take that freedom away. There are so

3637
03:35:38,400 --> 03:35:40,959
Speaker 1: many people who are entering their teens and are realizing

3638
03:35:40,959 --> 03:35:42,560
Speaker 1: they can be so much more free and they don't

3639
03:35:42,560 --> 03:35:46,240
Speaker 1: need to be limited to these weird, draconian like dualistic

3640
03:35:46,280 --> 03:35:48,800
Speaker 1: notions of gender. And that's amazing. If you look at

3641
03:35:49,240 --> 03:35:52,160
Speaker 1: a whole new wave of like actors and actresses and

3642
03:35:52,240 --> 03:35:55,879
Speaker 1: people in the entertainment industry, almost all of our non binary,

3643
03:35:56,040 --> 03:35:58,760
Speaker 1: like the person who plays Ellie in the in the

3644
03:35:59,400 --> 03:36:03,800
Speaker 1: Last of Us is transum. I believe they identify trans

3645
03:36:04,480 --> 03:36:07,920
Speaker 1: non binary or some of them of gender queer. But

3646
03:36:08,040 --> 03:36:10,280
Speaker 1: this sort of play Ellie like that too anyway, I

3647
03:36:10,280 --> 03:36:13,600
Speaker 1: just like absolutely, but this is something that that keeps happening.

3648
03:36:13,760 --> 03:36:16,120
Speaker 1: We are going to win this because there's so many

3649
03:36:16,160 --> 03:36:19,720
Speaker 1: of us and we know that it rules to exist

3650
03:36:19,800 --> 03:36:21,640
Speaker 1: like this, and we're not going to let them take

3651
03:36:21,680 --> 03:36:23,520
Speaker 1: it away. And I think that that is a big

3652
03:36:23,560 --> 03:36:27,400
Speaker 1: part of not only standing our ground, but continuing to

3653
03:36:27,440 --> 03:36:30,560
Speaker 1: move forward with the confidence that we will win in

3654
03:36:30,720 --> 03:36:33,560
Speaker 1: the long run. Yeah, and I think that we can.

3655
03:36:34,360 --> 03:36:36,920
Speaker 1: And I think that like a lot of the stuff,

3656
03:36:36,959 --> 03:36:41,440
Speaker 1: including myself, right, Um, I'm famously armed. I'm someone who

3657
03:36:41,520 --> 03:36:44,720
Speaker 1: you know, believes in self defense and in all of

3658
03:36:44,720 --> 03:36:48,480
Speaker 1: these things, right, Um, But I think that we always

3659
03:36:48,560 --> 03:36:51,880
Speaker 1: need to like focus on our strengths when it comes

3660
03:36:51,879 --> 03:36:54,920
Speaker 1: to being especially on the offense, right. And so when

3661
03:36:54,920 --> 03:36:57,680
Speaker 1: I think about like strategizing how do we win, the

3662
03:36:57,720 --> 03:36:59,600
Speaker 1: stuff that you're talking about about staying on the offensive

3663
03:36:59,640 --> 03:37:03,880
Speaker 1: makes so much sense. And I think that, to misquote

3664
03:37:03,879 --> 03:37:05,680
Speaker 1: the art of war, you attack your enemy where they

3665
03:37:05,680 --> 03:37:09,120
Speaker 1: are weak and you are strong, you know, and so like,

3666
03:37:09,520 --> 03:37:13,320
Speaker 1: and they are weak at cultural creation and I don't

3667
03:37:13,320 --> 03:37:18,560
Speaker 1: mean culture wars and culture war issues like art like creativity. Yeah,

3668
03:37:18,600 --> 03:37:23,000
Speaker 1: and so like we win because we say because our

3669
03:37:23,040 --> 03:37:26,280
Speaker 1: ideas are good, and when we express them, people are like,

3670
03:37:26,400 --> 03:37:31,200
Speaker 1: oh that sounds sick. I want to be free, right yeah. Um. Now,

3671
03:37:31,240 --> 03:37:34,519
Speaker 1: at the same time, we need to shore up our weaknesses.

3672
03:37:34,840 --> 03:37:38,800
Speaker 1: And I think our weaknesses at the moment are in

3673
03:37:38,840 --> 03:37:42,080
Speaker 1: the political sphere, which we're at on a back We're

3674
03:37:42,120 --> 03:37:43,720
Speaker 1: on the back foot right now because of all the

3675
03:37:44,280 --> 03:37:46,400
Speaker 1: I guess I don't track this stuff as much, but

3676
03:37:46,440 --> 03:37:48,480
Speaker 1: like all the judges and shit that got put in

3677
03:37:48,560 --> 03:37:53,000
Speaker 1: under Trump, and we are also not at our strongest.

3678
03:37:53,080 --> 03:37:55,240
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to call us weak here, but like

3679
03:37:55,600 --> 03:37:58,160
Speaker 1: far few of us, few of us are like weird

3680
03:37:58,280 --> 03:38:03,039
Speaker 1: gun nuts and like no, you know, militant strategy protect

3681
03:38:03,040 --> 03:38:06,080
Speaker 1: e type people. And I we've seen us shoring up

3682
03:38:06,120 --> 03:38:09,720
Speaker 1: that weakness and that rules. But I think it's always important.

3683
03:38:10,480 --> 03:38:12,240
Speaker 1: Maybe not always, maybe there would be a time when

3684
03:38:12,240 --> 03:38:15,279
Speaker 1: this would shift, But overall, I don't think that's our strength.

3685
03:38:15,320 --> 03:38:17,600
Speaker 1: That's not where we go on the offense. That is

3686
03:38:17,640 --> 03:38:25,200
Speaker 1: where we stay, like protecting ourselves. Yes, and no. DREG

3687
03:38:25,280 --> 03:38:29,200
Speaker 1: defense like DREG defense, square defense that has defense in

3688
03:38:29,240 --> 03:38:33,600
Speaker 1: the name, exactly, It is crucially important, exactly. It also

3689
03:38:34,080 --> 03:38:37,640
Speaker 1: terrifies the fascist right. The fact the fact that like

3690
03:38:37,959 --> 03:38:40,160
Speaker 1: like that one one hundred and forty pound twink can

3691
03:38:40,200 --> 03:38:43,560
Speaker 1: carry an AAR and defend a DREG show terrifies fascists.

3692
03:38:44,120 --> 03:38:50,680
Speaker 1: It utterly destroys their brains. You know. For sequalizations a

3693
03:38:50,720 --> 03:38:55,640
Speaker 1: hell of a thing. Sorry, buddy, The trigger pole is

3694
03:38:55,640 --> 03:39:01,000
Speaker 1: two and a half pounds. Yeah, you know what else

3695
03:39:01,080 --> 03:39:06,680
Speaker 1: is a four key force equalizer, the force of advertising

3696
03:39:13,280 --> 03:39:16,800
Speaker 1: and pole arms. As as long as we don't have

3697
03:39:16,800 --> 03:39:18,840
Speaker 1: an ad for a rabbit air who has an office

3698
03:39:18,920 --> 03:39:24,640
Speaker 1: in Pasadena, California, I'm fine. So I think if you've

3699
03:39:24,680 --> 03:39:28,080
Speaker 1: listened to the show a lot, they're they're One of

3700
03:39:28,120 --> 03:39:31,800
Speaker 1: the sort of sub themes of a lot of the

3701
03:39:31,879 --> 03:39:34,879
Speaker 1: writing that I do is thinking about what we owe

3702
03:39:34,920 --> 03:39:40,320
Speaker 1: the dead. And on the face of it, it's a

3703
03:39:40,360 --> 03:39:43,400
Speaker 1: sort of nonsensical question. Right, you can't have any kind

3704
03:39:43,400 --> 03:39:47,040
Speaker 1: of reciprocal relationship with someone who's dead, because well, you know,

3705
03:39:47,120 --> 03:39:51,920
Speaker 1: they're dead. And this question, this question of what we

3706
03:39:51,959 --> 03:39:54,280
Speaker 1: owe the dead is a question board of grief, of

3707
03:39:54,280 --> 03:39:57,680
Speaker 1: a kind of sort of raw and immaculate anguish that

3708
03:39:57,720 --> 03:40:00,680
Speaker 1: comes to the memory of people who are like you

3709
03:40:00,760 --> 03:40:02,920
Speaker 1: in every way except that you're here and they're not.

3710
03:40:03,560 --> 03:40:07,039
Speaker 1: And this was written, you know, this is written seven

3711
03:40:07,080 --> 03:40:11,720
Speaker 1: weeks ago. The people this is written for aren't even

3712
03:40:11,760 --> 03:40:18,040
Speaker 1: the same people that you know, that that that like

3713
03:40:18,160 --> 03:40:22,360
Speaker 1: that that is for now. Right, the question, in some

3714
03:40:22,400 --> 03:40:24,240
Speaker 1: sense becomes, what do we owe the people who have

3715
03:40:24,360 --> 03:40:26,680
Speaker 1: died and were thus denied to live, that denied the

3716
03:40:26,760 --> 03:40:29,520
Speaker 1: chance to live the lives that we do You know what,

3717
03:40:29,520 --> 03:40:32,520
Speaker 1: what do we owe them? What do we owe these

3718
03:40:32,520 --> 03:40:35,640
Speaker 1: people that we failed to keep alive? And this has

3719
03:40:35,640 --> 03:40:38,160
Speaker 1: an answer, this has this has a very very definite

3720
03:40:38,240 --> 03:40:41,520
Speaker 1: political answer. We owe them the destruction of the world

3721
03:40:41,560 --> 03:40:43,840
Speaker 1: that killed them. We owe them a future that we

3722
03:40:43,879 --> 03:40:45,440
Speaker 1: owe them the future that they should have had, and

3723
03:40:45,480 --> 03:40:49,320
Speaker 1: we owe them, we owe them a world where they

3724
03:40:49,360 --> 03:40:51,879
Speaker 1: never take another one of this another one of us. Again,

3725
03:40:52,840 --> 03:40:55,080
Speaker 1: the world is already fucking burning. It is time to

3726
03:40:55,120 --> 03:40:59,160
Speaker 1: start the counterfire now. One of one of the things

3727
03:40:59,200 --> 03:41:01,360
Speaker 1: that you that you will hear a lot, and this,

3728
03:41:01,560 --> 03:41:04,560
Speaker 1: this is, this has been, this has been one of

3729
03:41:04,600 --> 03:41:07,760
Speaker 1: the sort of dominant responses, for better or for worse,

3730
03:41:08,640 --> 03:41:11,640
Speaker 1: from how people are thinking about these laws is that

3731
03:41:11,720 --> 03:41:14,440
Speaker 1: these laws, you know, these anti trans laws are unconstitutional

3732
03:41:14,840 --> 03:41:19,240
Speaker 1: and that does not matter. That does not matter for shit,

3733
03:41:19,760 --> 03:41:24,320
Speaker 1: right like, oh, oh, our old friend the Constitution. Ha,

3734
03:41:24,680 --> 03:41:26,760
Speaker 1: Like I just, I just I need. I need everyone

3735
03:41:26,800 --> 03:41:30,160
Speaker 1: to understand that the ability of the Supreme Court to

3736
03:41:30,280 --> 03:41:33,560
Speaker 1: strike down a law is not in the Constitution. None

3737
03:41:33,560 --> 03:41:35,720
Speaker 1: of this ship matters. They're making all of it up.

3738
03:41:36,040 --> 03:41:39,360
Speaker 1: The only thing that actually matters is power. And to

3739
03:41:39,680 --> 03:41:42,400
Speaker 1: understand why the law is about power and you know,

3740
03:41:42,560 --> 03:41:46,160
Speaker 1: and and why legality is not actually a tool that

3741
03:41:46,200 --> 03:41:47,480
Speaker 1: we can rely on. I want to I want to

3742
03:41:47,520 --> 03:41:50,120
Speaker 1: tell the story. I'm not sure if I've told this

3743
03:41:50,160 --> 03:41:53,480
Speaker 1: story on on this on this podcast before, but I

3744
03:41:53,520 --> 03:41:55,320
Speaker 1: want to tell the story of the worst mistake I

3745
03:41:55,400 --> 03:41:59,960
Speaker 1: ever made as an activist. So the year is two thousand.

3746
03:42:00,240 --> 03:42:04,280
Speaker 1: In seventeen, Donald Trump's Executive Order one three seven six nine,

3747
03:42:04,760 --> 03:42:09,280
Speaker 1: locally known as the Muslim Ban, has prevented people from Iran,

3748
03:42:09,360 --> 03:42:13,680
Speaker 1: Iraq with whore they drop a rock, later Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria,

3749
03:42:13,720 --> 03:42:18,480
Speaker 1: and Yemen from entering the country. Now, almost immediately after

3750
03:42:18,560 --> 03:42:22,720
Speaker 1: the Muslim Ban is announced, um there is a spontaneous

3751
03:42:22,800 --> 03:42:26,360
Speaker 1: wave of airport occupations that sweeps the country. And these

3752
03:42:26,360 --> 03:42:30,560
Speaker 1: protests have two goals. Their immediate goal is to free

3753
03:42:30,600 --> 03:42:33,119
Speaker 1: the people who have been taking captive by immigration authorities

3754
03:42:33,120 --> 03:42:35,959
Speaker 1: before they can be deported, and the second goal is

3755
03:42:35,959 --> 03:42:38,640
Speaker 1: to end the Muslim band more broadly. This was this

3756
03:42:38,640 --> 03:42:40,920
Speaker 1: was actually my this was my first Irrell direct action.

3757
03:42:42,000 --> 03:42:44,039
Speaker 1: I you know, I remember I was in this train

3758
03:42:44,080 --> 03:42:46,480
Speaker 1: car on the Blue Line to O'Hare, which is our

3759
03:42:47,200 --> 03:42:50,880
Speaker 1: airport in Chicago. And you know, I'm on this train

3760
03:42:50,959 --> 03:42:56,240
Speaker 1: and it's packed and everyone is completely silent, and you know,

3761
03:42:56,320 --> 03:42:58,520
Speaker 1: everyone thinks people are going to get off, but as

3762
03:42:58,760 --> 03:43:01,320
Speaker 1: we get to this airport, lies that the entire train

3763
03:43:01,400 --> 03:43:04,119
Speaker 1: is completely full of protesters. Like everyone on there's a protester.

3764
03:43:04,440 --> 03:43:07,280
Speaker 1: And it goes on and on and on, and we

3765
03:43:07,360 --> 03:43:09,160
Speaker 1: get off the train, right and we're walking through the airport.

3766
03:43:09,160 --> 03:43:11,440
Speaker 1: And the way this airport is structured is there's like

3767
03:43:11,440 --> 03:43:13,800
Speaker 1: this overpass that you walk over where you can see

3768
03:43:13,840 --> 03:43:17,320
Speaker 1: the trains coming in and every single train is full

3769
03:43:17,320 --> 03:43:19,520
Speaker 1: of protesters. And the trains keep coming and they keep

3770
03:43:19,520 --> 03:43:22,600
Speaker 1: coming and they keep coming, and you know, every everyone

3771
03:43:22,720 --> 03:43:25,000
Speaker 1: and every time a train shows up, everyone starts cheering

3772
03:43:25,000 --> 03:43:26,760
Speaker 1: and it is like it is, you know, one of

3773
03:43:26,760 --> 03:43:28,640
Speaker 1: the most amazing things I've ever been a part of.

3774
03:43:30,000 --> 03:43:33,000
Speaker 1: And you know, and we we start moving and there

3775
03:43:33,000 --> 03:43:34,800
Speaker 1: are just you know, this is a fucking this is

3776
03:43:34,840 --> 03:43:36,520
Speaker 1: an airport, right, Like, this is one of the most

3777
03:43:36,520 --> 03:43:39,320
Speaker 1: heavily policed places in the world. There are not enough

3778
03:43:39,320 --> 03:43:42,680
Speaker 1: cops to stop us. And you know, they make this

3779
03:43:42,720 --> 03:43:44,600
Speaker 1: one token attempt to try to clear us, and they

3780
03:43:44,640 --> 03:43:46,720
Speaker 1: can't do it, and they pull back and now we

3781
03:43:46,800 --> 03:43:50,920
Speaker 1: are holding the airport, and we do it. We reat them,

3782
03:43:50,959 --> 03:43:54,000
Speaker 1: We win. The airport releases the detainees they've been they've

3783
03:43:54,000 --> 03:43:56,080
Speaker 1: been negotiating with the a CLU, the ASU have been

3784
03:43:56,080 --> 03:43:58,480
Speaker 1: trying to get me released. And the person from the

3785
03:43:58,480 --> 03:44:01,840
Speaker 1: person from the ASLU, like God, comes on the mic

3786
03:44:01,920 --> 03:44:04,720
Speaker 1: and announced that they've they've released everyone and everyone chairs,

3787
03:44:05,400 --> 03:44:08,959
Speaker 1: and then and then the person on the ALU personal

3788
03:44:09,040 --> 03:44:11,440
Speaker 1: and the mic says they're going to beat the Muslim

3789
03:44:11,440 --> 03:44:15,800
Speaker 1: band in court, and everyone goes home. It takes a

3790
03:44:15,840 --> 03:44:18,080
Speaker 1: few hours, but by the end of it, everyone goes home.

3791
03:44:18,720 --> 03:44:23,039
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. The ACLU several years later lost

3792
03:44:23,080 --> 03:44:26,040
Speaker 1: that case at the Dream Court. The Muslim band continued

3793
03:44:26,080 --> 03:44:28,960
Speaker 1: the entire fucking Trump administration. Right, it wasn't repealed until

3794
03:44:29,000 --> 03:44:33,120
Speaker 1: Biden took office. We could have stopped it there, right,

3795
03:44:33,760 --> 03:44:38,879
Speaker 1: we held that fucking airport. Airports across the country and

3796
03:44:38,920 --> 03:44:42,640
Speaker 1: fucking like dozens and dozens of states were being held

3797
03:44:42,640 --> 03:44:46,240
Speaker 1: by protesters, and we could have stopped them. But we didn't,

3798
03:44:46,360 --> 03:44:48,440
Speaker 1: and we didn't because we trusted the courts. Right we

3799
03:44:48,480 --> 03:44:53,320
Speaker 1: went home, we trusted the SLU, and they lost because again,

3800
03:44:53,360 --> 03:44:55,080
Speaker 1: the law is not about the law. The law is

3801
03:44:55,080 --> 03:44:59,000
Speaker 1: about power, and millions of people suffered the consequences of that.

3802
03:44:59,400 --> 03:45:01,440
Speaker 1: And this is what's going to happen if we if

3803
03:45:01,440 --> 03:45:04,920
Speaker 1: we leave this fight to the courts, either either we

3804
03:45:05,040 --> 03:45:08,360
Speaker 1: actually sort of like stand up and actually fight not

3805
03:45:08,440 --> 03:45:10,640
Speaker 1: in the courtroom, but in the streets, in schools, in

3806
03:45:10,640 --> 03:45:13,160
Speaker 1: salons and shop floors, in the places where we have

3807
03:45:13,240 --> 03:45:15,840
Speaker 1: power or we are going to die. That is my

3808
03:45:15,920 --> 03:45:18,560
Speaker 1: intro to this, which is that we cannot we literally like,

3809
03:45:18,600 --> 03:45:21,119
Speaker 1: if we try to leave this to the people who

3810
03:45:21,120 --> 03:45:23,640
Speaker 1: have been acting right now, right, if if we leave

3811
03:45:23,640 --> 03:45:26,200
Speaker 1: this electorialists, if we leave this to sort of legal institutions,

3812
03:45:26,200 --> 03:45:28,960
Speaker 1: and if we purely fight self defense battles, we are

3813
03:45:28,959 --> 03:45:33,560
Speaker 1: going to lose. Yeah. So the question from there is

3814
03:45:33,640 --> 03:45:37,080
Speaker 1: how do we hit them back? And the thing that

3815
03:45:37,120 --> 03:45:39,879
Speaker 1: I specifically wanted to talk about first is I wanted

3816
03:45:39,879 --> 03:45:44,160
Speaker 1: to talk about this thing called power mapping. Now, Okay,

3817
03:45:44,720 --> 03:45:46,680
Speaker 1: the moment, the moment you say that we're in map

3818
03:45:47,080 --> 03:45:49,720
Speaker 1: around leftists, people immediately start talking about how the map

3819
03:45:49,800 --> 03:45:53,560
Speaker 1: is not the terrain. And that's true, true, the map

3820
03:45:53,640 --> 03:45:59,120
Speaker 1: is not the terrain. They're different things, don't both are useful? Yeah, yeah,

3821
03:45:59,280 --> 03:46:03,160
Speaker 1: you still a map when your hiking, even though it's not. Actually,

3822
03:46:03,160 --> 03:46:09,480
Speaker 1: that's spash the maps. Spash the maps. Situation is practice

3823
03:46:09,720 --> 03:46:11,640
Speaker 1: walk around the city without a map, but mess up

3824
03:46:11,640 --> 03:46:13,879
Speaker 1: the maps. It sabotage the mass. Yeah, don't walk through

3825
03:46:13,920 --> 03:46:18,840
Speaker 1: the forest about a fucking map. Forest is dispassionate and

3826
03:46:19,000 --> 03:46:25,040
Speaker 1: cruel and will kill you. So all right, So what

3827
03:46:25,480 --> 03:46:28,200
Speaker 1: is power mapping? So there there is a normal version.

3828
03:46:28,400 --> 03:46:30,520
Speaker 1: There is a version of this that gets you know,

3829
03:46:30,560 --> 03:46:32,199
Speaker 1: it's it's part of sort of like what I guess

3830
03:46:32,200 --> 03:46:34,600
Speaker 1: you would call like the liberal version of organizer training

3831
03:46:34,640 --> 03:46:38,760
Speaker 1: one on one, which is this like pure NGEO thing,

3832
03:46:38,959 --> 03:46:40,720
Speaker 1: which is you know, I guess you could you could

3833
03:46:40,800 --> 03:46:43,560
Speaker 1: argue it's from like a lins like like from Salo

3834
03:46:43,640 --> 03:46:47,400
Speaker 1: Lynsky or whatever the fuck. Um And and this this

3835
03:46:47,520 --> 03:46:50,120
Speaker 1: version about it is this version is about finding and

3836
03:46:50,120 --> 03:46:54,119
Speaker 1: pressuring quote unquote stakeholders. This is almost completely useless to us.

3837
03:46:54,520 --> 03:46:57,440
Speaker 1: It's largely politically bankrupt and tactically it is simply not

3838
03:46:57,480 --> 03:47:00,520
Speaker 1: going to work. Right, Like, there is some value in

3839
03:47:00,920 --> 03:47:04,560
Speaker 1: mapping out which specific like legislators and which specific governors

3840
03:47:04,600 --> 03:47:08,480
Speaker 1: are going to like sign bills, right Yeah, but like okay,

3841
03:47:09,080 --> 03:47:11,039
Speaker 1: NGO style pressure campaigns are not going to stop this

3842
03:47:11,560 --> 03:47:14,160
Speaker 1: is this is simply not going to work. Um. And

3843
03:47:14,240 --> 03:47:16,600
Speaker 1: the strategies that people have been employing to sort of

3844
03:47:16,640 --> 03:47:19,080
Speaker 1: stop this, right which is you know, relying on our

3845
03:47:19,120 --> 03:47:22,920
Speaker 1: suffering and our pain and relying on medical expertise that

3846
03:47:22,920 --> 03:47:26,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't that doesn't work. It's weigh them a lack

3847
03:47:26,160 --> 03:47:29,160
Speaker 1: of diversity of tactics. Yeah, the only language people understand

3848
03:47:29,200 --> 03:47:34,160
Speaker 1: is power. So Okay, having said all this, we can

3849
03:47:34,200 --> 03:47:38,600
Speaker 1: strategically use other groups like NGOs or sympathetic lawmakers to

3850
03:47:38,760 --> 03:47:40,840
Speaker 1: do their own pressure campaigns. But that that that is

3851
03:47:40,879 --> 03:47:43,120
Speaker 1: not what I'm talking about here. We can leave. We

3852
03:47:43,120 --> 03:47:45,240
Speaker 1: can leave those people in their terrain they're paid to

3853
03:47:45,280 --> 03:47:49,680
Speaker 1: do it. Don't get sucked up into it. But you know,

3854
03:47:49,720 --> 03:47:52,520
Speaker 1: and I will say, like, okay, sometimes very strategically right,

3855
03:47:52,640 --> 03:47:56,520
Speaker 1: like you can you can show up to people's events

3856
03:47:56,520 --> 03:47:58,560
Speaker 1: and embarrass them because you know who they are and

3857
03:47:58,600 --> 03:48:01,440
Speaker 1: what they're doing, and that that that can be useful sometimes,

3858
03:48:02,480 --> 03:48:04,879
Speaker 1: like I I you know, I sci shame can be

3859
03:48:05,040 --> 03:48:08,080
Speaker 1: can be a useful tactics sometimes, yeah, like I know,

3860
03:48:08,080 --> 03:48:10,320
Speaker 1: I know people who've done union campaigns were like things

3861
03:48:10,320 --> 03:48:12,920
Speaker 1: have turned around when they like showed up to like

3862
03:48:12,920 --> 03:48:14,760
Speaker 1: some NGEO person's fund raiser and they're like, hey, you

3863
03:48:14,800 --> 03:48:16,600
Speaker 1: guys aren't paying us, and they're like everyone was like,

3864
03:48:16,600 --> 03:48:20,959
Speaker 1: oh my god, but you know what what what what?

3865
03:48:20,959 --> 03:48:23,360
Speaker 1: What are we? What are we actually doing here? And

3866
03:48:24,480 --> 03:48:26,879
Speaker 1: what what? What? What? What? What I'm specifically talking about

3867
03:48:26,959 --> 03:48:29,760
Speaker 1: is powermapping in the context of direct action and in

3868
03:48:29,800 --> 03:48:34,000
Speaker 1: the context a sort of offensive direct action and when

3869
03:48:34,080 --> 03:48:36,320
Speaker 1: when you're thinking about power mapping. Here there's two kinds

3870
03:48:36,320 --> 03:48:39,560
Speaker 1: of mappings that are useful. One is physical mapping, and

3871
03:48:39,640 --> 03:48:42,160
Speaker 1: this is something that people don't do enough. I don't

3872
03:48:42,160 --> 03:48:44,440
Speaker 1: know why they don't do this more. But first of

3873
03:48:44,680 --> 03:48:46,000
Speaker 1: one of one of the things that made the Hong

3874
03:48:46,080 --> 03:48:50,440
Speaker 1: Kong protest work is that Hong Kong had really really

3875
03:48:50,680 --> 03:48:53,960
Speaker 1: detailed maps, right they were you know, they they had

3876
03:48:53,959 --> 03:48:57,040
Speaker 1: apps for this that were very very detailed maps of

3877
03:48:57,200 --> 03:49:00,280
Speaker 1: Hong Kong city streets. They would map where the police swear,

3878
03:49:00,320 --> 03:49:02,520
Speaker 1: they would map where the police were moving to, they

3879
03:49:02,520 --> 03:49:07,840
Speaker 1: would map where protesters were and you know, obviously there

3880
03:49:07,840 --> 03:49:10,440
Speaker 1: are sort of security and tactical considerations to this, but

3881
03:49:10,920 --> 03:49:13,520
Speaker 1: if we know the terrain better than the police do,

3882
03:49:13,960 --> 03:49:16,520
Speaker 1: we can do a lot of things. This is this

3883
03:49:16,600 --> 03:49:20,040
Speaker 1: is something that people are successfully employing in the city

3884
03:49:20,080 --> 03:49:22,920
Speaker 1: of Atlanta, yep, yep. And anyway, I mean this, this, this,

3885
03:49:23,040 --> 03:49:24,560
Speaker 1: this is the thing where we have we actually do

3886
03:49:24,600 --> 03:49:27,840
Speaker 1: have an a legitimate advantage in in large cities, which

3887
03:49:27,880 --> 03:49:31,000
Speaker 1: is that like the cops who are in large cities

3888
03:49:31,040 --> 03:49:35,520
Speaker 1: are not from like those those cities, right you know,

3889
03:49:35,560 --> 03:49:38,480
Speaker 1: And and I think I think we squander this advantage

3890
03:49:38,480 --> 03:49:40,680
Speaker 1: a lot By just like like in fucking Chicago, there's

3891
03:49:40,680 --> 03:49:44,480
Speaker 1: this one plaza right like pretty close to Trump Tower

3892
03:49:44,520 --> 03:49:48,640
Speaker 1: where every single protest starts. And that's like it's in

3893
03:49:48,680 --> 03:49:50,720
Speaker 1: the middle of fucking downtown, So I guess people sort

3894
03:49:50,760 --> 03:49:53,480
Speaker 1: of know the way around there, but like I fuck nobody,

3895
03:49:53,520 --> 03:49:56,080
Speaker 1: like nobody lives there who doesn't make like fucking seven

3896
03:49:56,200 --> 03:49:59,120
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars a year, right, Like you're you're you're

3897
03:49:59,200 --> 03:50:02,040
Speaker 1: kind of squandering whatever tactical advantage you haven't. Also, you know,

3898
03:50:02,040 --> 03:50:04,920
Speaker 1: and and and another sort of another reason to do

3899
03:50:05,000 --> 03:50:09,080
Speaker 1: mapping and stuff is so you know, you can you

3900
03:50:09,120 --> 03:50:11,120
Speaker 1: can plan things out ahead of time, Right, you can

3901
03:50:11,160 --> 03:50:13,480
Speaker 1: plan out where your lines of retreat are. You can

3902
03:50:13,520 --> 03:50:15,920
Speaker 1: figure out where choke points are so you don't get kettled,

3903
03:50:15,920 --> 03:50:18,360
Speaker 1: a thing that like I swear to God, no one

3904
03:50:18,560 --> 03:50:22,080
Speaker 1: who arranges the protest in the US fucking ever does.

3905
03:50:22,840 --> 03:50:24,480
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I know some people do it, but

3906
03:50:24,520 --> 03:50:28,360
Speaker 1: like Jesus Christ, you can you can figure out on

3907
03:50:28,440 --> 03:50:30,880
Speaker 1: a map where you're gonna get kettled, Like you can

3908
03:50:30,920 --> 03:50:35,000
Speaker 1: do this, yeah, and you know, and you can do

3909
03:50:35,080 --> 03:50:37,240
Speaker 1: other things too with maps, right, you can you can

3910
03:50:37,240 --> 03:50:40,480
Speaker 1: figure out where the locations are of infrastructure that is

3911
03:50:40,520 --> 03:50:44,000
Speaker 1: particularly vulnerable, you can figure out what roads will will

3912
03:50:44,000 --> 03:50:46,160
Speaker 1: cause the maximum a matter of sort of economic damage

3913
03:50:46,160 --> 03:50:48,160
Speaker 1: if you shut them down, you can figure you know,

3914
03:50:48,160 --> 03:50:50,000
Speaker 1: you can figure out things like can you learn the

3915
03:50:50,040 --> 03:50:53,080
Speaker 1: police into places where they can't use their numbers very well? Right?

3916
03:50:53,280 --> 03:50:55,360
Speaker 1: Can you spread them out over one hundred different areas

3917
03:50:55,400 --> 03:50:58,000
Speaker 1: and neutralize their effectiveness? And this is a kind of

3918
03:50:58,040 --> 03:50:59,720
Speaker 1: These are the kind of terms that we need to

3919
03:50:59,720 --> 03:51:01,760
Speaker 1: be thinking thinking about in terms and when when when

3920
03:51:01,760 --> 03:51:04,400
Speaker 1: we're physically mapping and physically trying to understand an area,

3921
03:51:05,280 --> 03:51:07,360
Speaker 1: which is that we need to be thinking in very direct,

3922
03:51:07,440 --> 03:51:09,360
Speaker 1: tactical terms. We need to figure out what kind of

3923
03:51:09,360 --> 03:51:12,520
Speaker 1: places you know? And this also this also works defensively, right,

3924
03:51:12,760 --> 03:51:14,720
Speaker 1: we need to be figuring out you know, okay, so

3925
03:51:14,760 --> 03:51:17,920
Speaker 1: we have a drag show that's under attack, right, we

3926
03:51:17,920 --> 03:51:20,080
Speaker 1: need we need to figure out what kinds of places

3927
03:51:20,080 --> 03:51:21,880
Speaker 1: if people are attacking, we need to figure out how

3928
03:51:21,920 --> 03:51:24,240
Speaker 1: we can defend them. And we need to be thinking

3929
03:51:24,320 --> 03:51:26,840
Speaker 1: again not not just like showing up to a place

3930
03:51:26,880 --> 03:51:29,160
Speaker 1: and being like, okay, we're hearing these people across the street, right,

3931
03:51:29,400 --> 03:51:33,400
Speaker 1: like before that happens, and be like before a protest,

3932
03:51:33,400 --> 03:51:36,480
Speaker 1: stars before an actually starts. There needs to be like

3933
03:51:36,640 --> 03:51:39,520
Speaker 1: work put in to make sure that what we're that

3934
03:51:39,840 --> 03:51:42,320
Speaker 1: the actions that we're doing are effective, are as effective

3935
03:51:42,320 --> 03:51:48,000
Speaker 1: as possible, so that that's that. Yeah, that that that

3936
03:51:48,080 --> 03:51:49,920
Speaker 1: that that that's that's one part of this kind of

3937
03:51:49,960 --> 03:51:51,680
Speaker 1: mapping stuff. You know, if if if you if you

3938
03:51:51,680 --> 03:51:53,640
Speaker 1: want more sort of inspiration for this stuff. There's a

3939
03:51:53,640 --> 03:51:56,720
Speaker 1: bunch of uh, oh my god, I'm not forgetting the

3940
03:51:56,800 --> 03:51:58,440
Speaker 1: name of every book I puble should have actually written

3941
03:51:58,440 --> 03:51:59,840
Speaker 1: the books in here, but they're they're that you can

3942
03:52:00,040 --> 03:52:01,760
Speaker 1: some of the some of the Italian Autonomous will talk

3943
03:52:01,800 --> 03:52:04,000
Speaker 1: about this stuff and they have all of these like

3944
03:52:04,120 --> 03:52:06,560
Speaker 1: really wild sort of tactical stuff about like things you

3945
03:52:06,560 --> 03:52:08,760
Speaker 1: could do in a city, like you can mess up

3946
03:52:08,800 --> 03:52:12,720
Speaker 1: stop lights, you can like I don't know, like they

3947
03:52:12,240 --> 03:52:14,080
Speaker 1: they they did a lot of stuff and like moving

3948
03:52:14,120 --> 03:52:16,640
Speaker 1: signs around there. There's a lot of very weird things

3949
03:52:17,320 --> 03:52:18,840
Speaker 1: in a city that you can do that we don't

3950
03:52:18,840 --> 03:52:21,800
Speaker 1: think about because we've limited our tactical arsenal to like

3951
03:52:21,960 --> 03:52:27,280
Speaker 1: people show up at a place and yell yes, stand

3952
03:52:27,440 --> 03:52:30,400
Speaker 1: stand outside of a building and yell at a building.

3953
03:52:31,040 --> 03:52:33,560
Speaker 1: End of protests. Yeah, and that that doesn't work, Like

3954
03:52:33,760 --> 03:52:35,320
Speaker 1: we need to have tactics that are sort of like

3955
03:52:35,400 --> 03:52:38,240
Speaker 1: that are beyond that. I guess, I guess part of

3956
03:52:38,280 --> 03:52:41,520
Speaker 1: the reason that I'm I'm starting here is that I

3957
03:52:41,600 --> 03:52:45,000
Speaker 1: want people to like literally go back very much to

3958
03:52:45,160 --> 03:52:49,480
Speaker 1: square one of thinking about what our response needs to

3959
03:52:49,520 --> 03:52:52,920
Speaker 1: be before we start moving, because you know, like, and

3960
03:52:53,080 --> 03:52:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm not this this this is not a sort of

3961
03:52:55,040 --> 03:52:56,800
Speaker 1: criticism of the people who've been doing dract de fats,

3962
03:52:56,800 --> 03:52:59,720
Speaker 1: like they've been doing a great job, right, but our

3963
03:53:00,000 --> 03:53:04,360
Speaker 1: standard protest arsenal is not enough. It has not been working,

3964
03:53:04,400 --> 03:53:08,280
Speaker 1: and we need to reevaluate what we're doing. It needs

3965
03:53:08,280 --> 03:53:10,320
Speaker 1: to expand, and we need to see a better understanding

3966
03:53:10,320 --> 03:53:12,800
Speaker 1: of what diversity of tactics means. I also think that

3967
03:53:12,880 --> 03:53:17,840
Speaker 1: on this particular issue, until fairly recently, our primary threat

3968
03:53:17,960 --> 03:53:23,720
Speaker 1: vector was non state actors threatening physical violence, and so

3969
03:53:23,760 --> 03:53:27,160
Speaker 1: the community defense model is actually a very effective response

3970
03:53:27,200 --> 03:53:30,760
Speaker 1: to that threat and has been incredibly effective on numerous times.

3971
03:53:31,200 --> 03:53:34,360
Speaker 1: Now that we are looking at the threat coming from

3972
03:53:34,400 --> 03:53:38,480
Speaker 1: the state in terms of legislative legislative action and all

3973
03:53:38,520 --> 03:53:44,000
Speaker 1: that stuff, it does open up a lot more tactical possibility,

3974
03:53:44,040 --> 03:53:47,840
Speaker 1: like what you're talking about, and that's cool, and people

3975
03:53:47,840 --> 03:53:51,280
Speaker 1: should realize that. Yeah, No, I think you're right. We

3976
03:53:51,280 --> 03:53:54,120
Speaker 1: should go back and look from the ground up and

3977
03:53:54,160 --> 03:54:00,000
Speaker 1: like come to new conclusions, new ideas, And I think

3978
03:54:00,120 --> 03:54:02,560
Speaker 1: I think the the the the other thing of going

3979
03:54:02,600 --> 03:54:05,240
Speaker 1: back to sort of like basics, right, is going going

3980
03:54:05,280 --> 03:54:08,200
Speaker 1: back to the kinds of going going going back to

3981
03:54:09,800 --> 03:54:12,720
Speaker 1: changing how we think about the world around us so

3982
03:54:12,800 --> 03:54:15,760
Speaker 1: that we can actually so that we can more effectively

3983
03:54:16,200 --> 03:54:18,040
Speaker 1: take action. And the other kind of thing that we

3984
03:54:18,080 --> 03:54:21,040
Speaker 1: need to do is social mapping. It's figuring out the

3985
03:54:21,080 --> 03:54:24,160
Speaker 1: resources that we have, the resources that they have, where

3986
03:54:24,200 --> 03:54:27,280
Speaker 1: they are, how they function. And this is something that Margaret,

3987
03:54:27,320 --> 03:54:30,400
Speaker 1: you've you've talked about in your in your threat about this,

3988
03:54:30,400 --> 03:54:33,040
Speaker 1: which is very good. Yeah, but one of the things

3989
03:54:33,040 --> 03:54:35,040
Speaker 1: that we need to figure out very quickly is what

3990
03:54:35,240 --> 03:54:37,720
Speaker 1: skills do we have and what resources do we have?

3991
03:54:40,160 --> 03:54:43,240
Speaker 1: And you know this this expands into a lot of

3992
03:54:43,360 --> 03:54:49,160
Speaker 1: into a lot of different sort of fields, right um.

3993
03:54:49,240 --> 03:54:53,240
Speaker 1: You know, there's some of this is sort of territorial, right,

3994
03:54:53,440 --> 03:54:56,600
Speaker 1: Like it's about thinking about like what kinds like what's

3995
03:54:56,680 --> 03:54:59,840
Speaker 1: physically what spaces are safe for us and which ones aren't.

3996
03:55:00,120 --> 03:55:02,560
Speaker 1: How can we sort of leverage the spaces that we

3997
03:55:02,600 --> 03:55:06,120
Speaker 1: have that are safe and you know, maneuver in the

3998
03:55:06,120 --> 03:55:09,040
Speaker 1: ones that are how is this changing? There's also something

3999
03:55:09,040 --> 03:55:12,680
Speaker 1: that I I want to sort of think about here,

4000
03:55:12,720 --> 03:55:14,680
Speaker 1: which is this old this is old tradition. Do you do?

4001
03:55:14,680 --> 03:55:18,960
Speaker 1: You do? You know what workers inquiry is? I don't know? Okay,

4002
03:55:18,960 --> 03:55:21,640
Speaker 1: So this is this is a very old Marxist tradition.

4003
03:55:21,880 --> 03:55:24,400
Speaker 1: Um it means a lot of different things to a

4004
03:55:24,440 --> 03:55:28,680
Speaker 1: lot of different people, Like Marx was attempting. So the

4005
03:55:28,720 --> 03:55:30,560
Speaker 1: origin of this is Marx was trying to like send

4006
03:55:30,560 --> 03:55:33,040
Speaker 1: out surveys to like workers to figure out what their

4007
03:55:33,040 --> 03:55:36,840
Speaker 1: conditions were, and people over time took this into more

4008
03:55:36,880 --> 03:55:40,320
Speaker 1: interesting directions of you know, but it turns into a

4009
03:55:40,400 --> 03:55:43,800
Speaker 1: kind of like like a worker's ethnography of you know,

4010
03:55:43,880 --> 03:55:47,880
Speaker 1: workers sitting down and writing or doing interviews about just

4011
03:55:48,000 --> 03:55:50,960
Speaker 1: literally like what what their work day is, like, what

4012
03:55:51,000 --> 03:55:53,400
Speaker 1: the sort of like labor processes they're involved in are,

4013
03:55:53,560 --> 03:55:56,360
Speaker 1: How does how does that work? Like? Who? Like, how

4014
03:55:56,400 --> 03:55:58,720
Speaker 1: do their bosses work? How how are they being managed?

4015
03:55:58,720 --> 03:56:01,560
Speaker 1: How are they resisting them? And you know, and you

4016
03:56:01,560 --> 03:56:03,600
Speaker 1: you there there there are other things you can sort

4017
03:56:03,640 --> 03:56:06,240
Speaker 1: of use this for that are very useful to us,

4018
03:56:06,280 --> 03:56:09,280
Speaker 1: which is, for example, figuring out things like what does

4019
03:56:09,320 --> 03:56:13,520
Speaker 1: the what does your local economy depend on? What are

4020
03:56:13,520 --> 03:56:17,600
Speaker 1: the sort of important logistics lines in that local economy?

4021
03:56:17,640 --> 03:56:20,560
Speaker 1: You know, who is physically doing the labor that the

4022
03:56:20,600 --> 03:56:22,880
Speaker 1: economy depends on, who is doing the care labor, because

4023
03:56:22,880 --> 03:56:26,440
Speaker 1: that's another side of this that gets sort of brushed

4024
03:56:26,480 --> 03:56:29,640
Speaker 1: over a lot. But for example, this this, this is

4025
03:56:29,680 --> 03:56:32,040
Speaker 1: a large part of why teachers are enormously powerful because

4026
03:56:32,080 --> 03:56:35,080
Speaker 1: teachers are doing a shit ton of care labor that

4027
03:56:35,200 --> 03:56:38,080
Speaker 1: is is necessary for the necessary for the entire economy

4028
03:56:38,120 --> 03:56:41,320
Speaker 1: to function, but isn't really seen that way, right, And

4029
03:56:41,400 --> 03:56:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, and and you you you you can ask

4030
03:56:43,560 --> 03:56:49,200
Speaker 1: other questions like you know what what what? Like literally,

4031
03:56:49,240 --> 03:56:51,840
Speaker 1: what are the physical conditions under which you and the

4032
03:56:51,840 --> 03:56:54,440
Speaker 1: people around you are working? A lot of the stuff's

4033
03:56:54,440 --> 03:56:58,280
Speaker 1: come to you like person who works a job. Right, Um,

4034
03:56:58,400 --> 03:57:01,240
Speaker 1: there there is an advantage that we have as people

4035
03:57:01,280 --> 03:57:04,000
Speaker 1: who do this stuff, which is that we we will

4036
03:57:04,080 --> 03:57:07,200
Speaker 1: understand the terrain of our own workplace is better than

4037
03:57:07,200 --> 03:57:08,640
Speaker 1: the people who are sitting at the at the top

4038
03:57:08,640 --> 03:57:10,600
Speaker 1: of the power structure because we're on the bottom of it,

4039
03:57:10,720 --> 03:57:13,320
Speaker 1: right the people who are above us. And and this

4040
03:57:13,360 --> 03:57:15,040
Speaker 1: this is another thing that that's important about this kind

4041
03:57:15,080 --> 03:57:18,400
Speaker 1: of transphobia is that it's it's very much an elite thing.

4042
03:57:19,360 --> 03:57:21,600
Speaker 1: This is I think especially noticeable in the UK, where

4043
03:57:21,600 --> 03:57:24,000
Speaker 1: like you can literally track who is going to be

4044
03:57:24,040 --> 03:57:26,000
Speaker 1: a turf by like what kind of like elite schools

4045
03:57:26,000 --> 03:57:29,480
Speaker 1: they're going to. Okay, but but like literally like if

4046
03:57:29,560 --> 03:57:30,680
Speaker 1: someone goes to eat like you know, it's like who

4047
03:57:30,720 --> 03:57:32,320
Speaker 1: goes to eaton? Right, Like this is this is the thing.

4048
03:57:32,480 --> 03:57:34,480
Speaker 1: It tracks who the ruling class isn't who and who

4049
03:57:34,520 --> 03:57:36,040
Speaker 1: is a turf and who's not going to be a turf?

4050
03:57:36,160 --> 03:57:38,320
Speaker 1: Right and but this is this is also true in

4051
03:57:38,320 --> 03:57:40,680
Speaker 1: the US, where like I mean again, if you look

4052
03:57:40,720 --> 03:57:42,640
Speaker 1: at them media people who are pushing this, it's a

4053
03:57:42,640 --> 03:57:45,040
Speaker 1: bunch of people sitting on like an unbelievable amount of

4054
03:57:45,040 --> 03:57:46,520
Speaker 1: trust fund money and getting a bunch of sort of

4055
03:57:46,600 --> 03:57:50,440
Speaker 1: right wing billionaire money. Yes, my experience has been that

4056
03:57:50,640 --> 03:57:55,720
Speaker 1: since Trump's selection, the random folks around me have become

4057
03:57:55,960 --> 03:57:59,880
Speaker 1: substantially less favorable towards me. Um And I think anti

4058
03:58:00,120 --> 03:58:04,440
Speaker 1: and stuff is is popular across class. But I don't know,

4059
03:58:04,440 --> 03:58:06,680
Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's true, but I don't

4060
03:58:06,680 --> 03:58:09,800
Speaker 1: think it matters that much because like like the the

4061
03:58:09,960 --> 03:58:13,520
Speaker 1: the ordinary person in your neighborhood who has become transphobic,

4062
03:58:13,560 --> 03:58:15,360
Speaker 1: isn't the person who has the capacity to get these

4063
03:58:15,440 --> 03:58:18,360
Speaker 1: laws passed? Okay, that's fair. And and the things that

4064
03:58:18,400 --> 03:58:21,480
Speaker 1: they know are not the things that the actual people

4065
03:58:21,560 --> 03:58:25,520
Speaker 1: running these campaigns know. Yeah, okay. And and that that

4066
03:58:25,640 --> 03:58:27,640
Speaker 1: that that I think is what is sort of important

4067
03:58:27,680 --> 03:58:32,640
Speaker 1: about this, is that like legislatures, right, or like you know,

4068
03:58:32,680 --> 03:58:36,680
Speaker 1: the people who are funding who are funding these campaigns,

4069
03:58:36,720 --> 03:58:39,400
Speaker 1: the people who donate to these who donate literally literally

4070
03:58:39,480 --> 03:58:43,360
Speaker 1: donate to sort of political campaigns. Right. These people do

4071
03:58:43,440 --> 03:58:46,760
Speaker 1: not understand what our jobs are. They don't understand what

4072
03:58:46,760 --> 03:58:49,960
Speaker 1: we do, They don't understand how the economy works very well.

4073
03:58:49,960 --> 03:58:54,080
Speaker 1: What the version of reality that they can see is

4074
03:58:54,080 --> 03:58:56,200
Speaker 1: is a sort of bureaucratic image of it produced by

4075
03:58:56,200 --> 03:59:00,440
Speaker 1: their subordinates. And you know that there's a realm with that,

4076
03:59:00,480 --> 03:59:04,160
Speaker 1: which is that a lot of the time, right, the

4077
03:59:04,400 --> 03:59:06,440
Speaker 1: more powerful person is, the more likely it is that

4078
03:59:06,480 --> 03:59:08,200
Speaker 1: the version of reality that they're getting is the version

4079
03:59:08,200 --> 03:59:10,680
Speaker 1: of reality that is just being told to them by

4080
03:59:10,240 --> 03:59:15,120
Speaker 1: the people by the people below them. And you know,

4081
03:59:15,160 --> 03:59:18,800
Speaker 1: and this this means, like the more powerful the people

4082
03:59:18,800 --> 03:59:21,200
Speaker 1: we're dealing with, the less capacity they actually have to understand.

4083
03:59:21,280 --> 03:59:24,120
Speaker 1: Is this is true even with for organizations to have

4084
03:59:24,160 --> 03:59:27,320
Speaker 1: like an enormous amount of raw intelligence that you know,

4085
03:59:27,360 --> 03:59:29,880
Speaker 1: they're sort of spy and surveillance networks have assembled, right

4086
03:59:30,080 --> 03:59:32,080
Speaker 1: they're you know, they have all this information, but they

4087
03:59:32,080 --> 03:59:36,200
Speaker 1: don't understand and they're sort of buried in trying to

4088
03:59:36,440 --> 03:59:39,200
Speaker 1: like trying and often failing to sort through all of

4089
03:59:39,200 --> 03:59:41,680
Speaker 1: the information that they have. Yeah, and they try and

4090
03:59:41,720 --> 03:59:43,400
Speaker 1: map it to their world view. It's how you always

4091
03:59:43,480 --> 03:59:45,680
Speaker 1: end up with like we found the like I have

4092
03:59:45,680 --> 03:59:49,440
Speaker 1: a friend who is investigated as the leader of international anarchism,

4093
03:59:49,880 --> 03:59:52,960
Speaker 1: and it took them a really really long time before

4094
03:59:52,960 --> 03:59:56,920
Speaker 1: they were like, I don't think that's a thing. Yeah,

4095
03:59:56,960 --> 03:59:59,120
Speaker 1: well it's like they don't they don't understand how our

4096
03:59:59,160 --> 04:00:01,920
Speaker 1: networks work very well, because yeah, they have stuff like that.

4097
04:00:02,560 --> 04:00:05,680
Speaker 1: But but this is also true, especially like on the

4098
04:00:05,800 --> 04:00:10,120
Speaker 1: level of the workplace, right, Um, there is a bunch

4099
04:00:10,120 --> 04:00:13,880
Speaker 1: of stuff that we know that cannot be replicated by

4100
04:00:13,880 --> 04:00:15,640
Speaker 1: the people on the top of the org chart. And

4101
04:00:15,680 --> 04:00:18,360
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff has to do with we

4102
04:00:18,440 --> 04:00:21,360
Speaker 1: know how to make things stop working in ways that

4103
04:00:21,400 --> 04:00:25,040
Speaker 1: they don't, okay, and and that that is that that

4104
04:00:25,040 --> 04:00:29,120
Speaker 1: that is very sort of useful information to have, because

4105
04:00:29,160 --> 04:00:31,160
Speaker 1: if you know how something works, you can make it

4106
04:00:31,200 --> 04:00:34,800
Speaker 1: stop working. And this is this is the sort of uh,

4107
04:00:35,040 --> 04:00:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, this is a lot of what the Marxist

4108
04:00:37,800 --> 04:00:40,320
Speaker 1: tradition sort of was, right, It was an attempt to understand,

4109
04:00:40,360 --> 04:00:43,320
Speaker 1: like what workers are doing. The distinction I would make

4110
04:00:43,360 --> 04:00:45,360
Speaker 1: is they were trying to figure out what workers are

4111
04:00:45,360 --> 04:00:47,440
Speaker 1: doing because they were trying to figure out how capitalism works.

4112
04:00:48,200 --> 04:00:51,400
Speaker 1: And I don't care about that enormously like that. That's

4113
04:00:51,440 --> 04:00:55,200
Speaker 1: that's that's not a thing that actually sort of like

4114
04:00:56,760 --> 04:00:58,280
Speaker 1: I don't know whatever I do, I don't I don't

4115
04:00:58,280 --> 04:01:01,520
Speaker 1: care about whatever esoteric value debates they were having. The

4116
04:01:01,600 --> 04:01:03,880
Speaker 1: decision I would make here is that, you know, the

4117
04:01:03,920 --> 04:01:05,840
Speaker 1: Marxist version of this has a tendency to collapse and

4118
04:01:05,880 --> 04:01:09,080
Speaker 1: dollar production into just like incredibly bitter and minute debates

4119
04:01:09,080 --> 04:01:11,640
Speaker 1: about Marxism. We are not trying to do that. The

4120
04:01:11,720 --> 04:01:13,800
Speaker 1: thing we're trying to do with our version of this

4121
04:01:13,960 --> 04:01:17,200
Speaker 1: is stop agendicide. Right. Our Our version of inquiry means

4122
04:01:17,200 --> 04:01:19,560
Speaker 1: attack and and when when when When I say when,

4123
04:01:19,600 --> 04:01:22,320
Speaker 1: when I'm talking about this kind of stuff, right, I'm

4124
04:01:22,360 --> 04:01:27,400
Speaker 1: talking about like you and finding the other people in

4125
04:01:27,440 --> 04:01:30,560
Speaker 1: your workplace who are supportive of this stuff. And you know,

4126
04:01:30,640 --> 04:01:33,160
Speaker 1: I mean literally just on like a very very basic level.

4127
04:01:33,160 --> 04:01:35,040
Speaker 1: And this is something that you get union organizing right.

4128
04:01:35,040 --> 04:01:36,800
Speaker 1: It's like just figuring out what the fuck they do,

4129
04:01:37,360 --> 04:01:40,680
Speaker 1: because like management doesn't know what you do, right, Like

4130
04:01:40,720 --> 04:01:43,880
Speaker 1: I I I have I have worked in a lot

4131
04:01:44,000 --> 04:01:47,000
Speaker 1: of of of places. I have talked to managers a lot.

4132
04:01:47,040 --> 04:01:49,760
Speaker 1: They have no fucking idea what what anyone is actually doing.

4133
04:01:50,320 --> 04:01:52,600
Speaker 1: And if if you if you can build up and

4134
04:01:52,680 --> 04:01:54,360
Speaker 1: this is this is you know, this is all going,

4135
04:01:54,960 --> 04:01:58,280
Speaker 1: this is all kind of abstract. But if if you

4136
04:01:58,320 --> 04:02:02,120
Speaker 1: can figure out how your workplace works, and you can

4137
04:02:02,160 --> 04:02:06,160
Speaker 1: figure out how the workplaces of the people around you work,

4138
04:02:06,360 --> 04:02:10,160
Speaker 1: and how how the workplaces that like actually genuinely matter

4139
04:02:10,520 --> 04:02:13,160
Speaker 1: to the people who are doing this stuff, you suddenly have.

4140
04:02:13,560 --> 04:02:16,800
Speaker 1: You suddenly have leverage that you normal that you know,

4141
04:02:17,120 --> 04:02:22,600
Speaker 1: a sort of like traditional like protest thing doesn't. And

4142
04:02:22,880 --> 04:02:27,080
Speaker 1: this means, for better or for worse, trying to get

4143
04:02:27,200 --> 04:02:31,720
Speaker 1: unions involved. Um, there are upsides and downsides here. The

4144
04:02:31,720 --> 04:02:33,360
Speaker 1: downside is that there just aren't there many unions and

4145
04:02:33,400 --> 04:02:36,440
Speaker 1: there aren't there many people in unions as I just

4146
04:02:36,480 --> 04:02:42,200
Speaker 1: have like a middling faith in them. Yeah, or working

4147
04:02:42,280 --> 04:02:43,960
Speaker 1: on it. I mean, yeah, I mean some of them,

4148
04:02:43,960 --> 04:02:46,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure good, and I want to challenge all of

4149
04:02:46,680 --> 04:02:49,760
Speaker 1: them too, and if they do, I will eat my shoe.

4150
04:02:49,880 --> 04:02:53,960
Speaker 1: Whatever they saying is um some yeah, I mean it's

4151
04:02:54,000 --> 04:02:57,080
Speaker 1: like they're not going to do unless they're forced you, right, well,

4152
04:02:57,800 --> 04:03:01,520
Speaker 1: depending on the I think some unions do. Now I'm

4153
04:03:01,520 --> 04:03:03,640
Speaker 1: like suddenly one eighteen, I mean, like talk shit on

4154
04:03:03,720 --> 04:03:06,720
Speaker 1: unions like that. Whatever anyway continues, So okay. So the

4155
04:03:06,840 --> 04:03:10,200
Speaker 1: thing part of the other reason that that I'm focusing

4156
04:03:10,200 --> 04:03:13,040
Speaker 1: specifically on unions and I'm specifically I'm focusing a lot

4157
04:03:13,120 --> 04:03:17,000
Speaker 1: and workplace organizing stuff is that, Okay, one of the

4158
04:03:17,040 --> 04:03:19,600
Speaker 1: inherent problems of trans organizing is that trans people are

4159
04:03:19,680 --> 04:03:22,040
Speaker 1: not a large enough minority to enter the most sort

4160
04:03:22,040 --> 04:03:25,880
Speaker 1: of like cynical, like numerically determinist accounts of who matters

4161
04:03:25,960 --> 04:03:31,960
Speaker 1: enough to support right like not not yet not right.

4162
04:03:32,000 --> 04:03:34,120
Speaker 1: But as as of right now, we're like maybe two

4163
04:03:34,120 --> 04:03:37,880
Speaker 1: percent of the population. Now change it is, it is grown.

4164
04:03:38,280 --> 04:03:41,440
Speaker 1: If the zuber numbers continue, we're gonna be We're gonna

4165
04:03:41,480 --> 04:03:44,600
Speaker 1: be quite quite the problem. I remember marching with my

4166
04:03:44,600 --> 04:03:47,880
Speaker 1: my first boyfriend and this this bashback March where we're

4167
04:03:47,960 --> 04:03:51,360
Speaker 1: chanting one in ten is not enough. Yeah, and it's

4168
04:03:51,360 --> 04:03:54,240
Speaker 1: just funny because it's like it works. There's more of

4169
04:03:54,320 --> 04:03:57,160
Speaker 1: us now, yeah. Yeah, And this is trands are really

4170
04:03:57,160 --> 04:04:00,240
Speaker 1: good at recruiting the LGBT, because literally, you can not

4171
04:04:00,320 --> 04:04:03,600
Speaker 1: think I'm cute and be heterosexual. There's no way of

4172
04:04:03,680 --> 04:04:07,760
Speaker 1: making that happen. True. No, this is like legit legitimately.

4173
04:04:07,760 --> 04:04:09,280
Speaker 1: One of the reasons that I figured out that I

4174
04:04:09,400 --> 04:04:12,200
Speaker 1: wasn't like a sistet straight dude was I was dating

4175
04:04:12,240 --> 04:04:15,000
Speaker 1: an un binary person, and I was like, shit, okay,

4176
04:04:14,680 --> 04:04:22,840
Speaker 1: something like it's, um, there are places where trans people

4177
04:04:22,920 --> 04:04:26,640
Speaker 1: are like enormously overrepresented, right and and and there are

4178
04:04:26,640 --> 04:04:29,440
Speaker 1: places where we exist in numbers enough that we actually

4179
04:04:29,520 --> 04:04:33,240
Speaker 1: statistically matter. And unions are one of those places because

4180
04:04:33,520 --> 04:04:37,480
Speaker 1: the people to people who are organizing unions, like trans

4181
04:04:37,520 --> 04:04:41,640
Speaker 1: people are so unbelievably fucking overrepresented in all of that stuff.

4182
04:04:41,760 --> 04:04:44,960
Speaker 1: And this is this is as much true of I mean, okay,

4183
04:04:44,960 --> 04:04:49,360
Speaker 1: so this this is true really, especially of any kind

4184
04:04:49,360 --> 04:04:51,720
Speaker 1: of sort of new unionism, like particularly things like grad

4185
04:04:51,720 --> 04:04:54,280
Speaker 1: student unions, right, but it's also true of like like

4186
04:04:54,320 --> 04:04:56,400
Speaker 1: all all of the fucking service sector unions that are

4187
04:04:56,400 --> 04:04:58,720
Speaker 1: getting organized and this has been true for like twenty years.

4188
04:04:59,040 --> 04:05:01,080
Speaker 1: All of the people ORGANI using that, whether they realize

4189
04:05:01,080 --> 04:05:05,120
Speaker 1: it or not, are trans. And you know, but this

4190
04:05:05,120 --> 04:05:07,920
Speaker 1: this means we actually have leverage there, right, because this

4191
04:05:08,280 --> 04:05:10,800
Speaker 1: is this is a part of the economy where if

4192
04:05:10,880 --> 04:05:14,400
Speaker 1: we stop doing our job, shit will actually fall apart, right,

4193
04:05:14,680 --> 04:05:17,600
Speaker 1: like you know, act actual sort of large scale union

4194
04:05:17,600 --> 04:05:22,200
Speaker 1: campaigns like cannot work without us. And that means that

4195
04:05:22,240 --> 04:05:25,360
Speaker 1: we actually we have the ability to pressure them into

4196
04:05:25,400 --> 04:05:28,480
Speaker 1: doing shit in a way that's not necessarily true. Another,

4197
04:05:28,480 --> 04:05:32,280
Speaker 1: and I'm talking here like specifically about like you the

4198
04:05:32,360 --> 04:05:37,560
Speaker 1: listener who is trans, which is like statistically, statistically like

4199
04:05:37,680 --> 04:05:41,679
Speaker 1: you the listener is not trans. If you are, congratulations, um,

4200
04:05:41,760 --> 04:05:45,360
Speaker 1: if you're not, I also suspect that they are slightly overrepresented.

4201
04:05:45,880 --> 04:05:50,640
Speaker 1: That definitely still probably not a majority, yes, I guess

4202
04:05:50,640 --> 04:05:52,880
Speaker 1: I like I also want to say that like, um,

4203
04:05:52,920 --> 04:05:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny because the way to define sis

4204
04:05:55,080 --> 04:05:58,320
Speaker 1: allyship is literally as if you're willing to car yourself siss,

4205
04:05:59,160 --> 04:06:01,640
Speaker 1: you know, because it's not actually a slur, it's just

4206
04:06:01,680 --> 04:06:05,600
Speaker 1: a description. It's just a you know, like that the

4207
04:06:05,720 --> 04:06:08,560
Speaker 1: not trans word, right, and it's not bad at all. Yeah,

4208
04:06:09,640 --> 04:06:12,680
Speaker 1: And now that that's a battleground word. It's like pronouns

4209
04:06:12,680 --> 04:06:15,360
Speaker 1: and profile or whatever. You know. It's like it's actually

4210
04:06:15,360 --> 04:06:19,240
Speaker 1: fairly easy to make it clear where you stand on

4211
04:06:19,280 --> 04:06:23,360
Speaker 1: this kind of issue. And I I will say, I mean,

4212
04:06:23,400 --> 04:06:25,720
Speaker 1: obviously trans people will do a lot of this organizing,

4213
04:06:25,720 --> 04:06:28,120
Speaker 1: but I think that we have a lot, an awful

4214
04:06:28,120 --> 04:06:30,280
Speaker 1: lot of CIS people with us, And so you, the

4215
04:06:30,440 --> 04:06:33,760
Speaker 1: CIS listener, we also fucking love and respect you because

4216
04:06:33,760 --> 04:06:36,040
Speaker 1: if you've made it into an hour of us talking

4217
04:06:36,040 --> 04:06:37,840
Speaker 1: about how much this matter is, it clearly matters to

4218
04:06:37,880 --> 04:06:40,040
Speaker 1: you too, you know. Yeah, this is probably our like

4219
04:06:40,400 --> 04:06:43,200
Speaker 1: three or whatever the fuck and both episodes and soon

4220
04:06:43,240 --> 04:06:45,240
Speaker 1: you won't be allowed to wear pants if you're a

4221
04:06:45,360 --> 04:06:51,680
Speaker 1: fab So you know this is gonna hit everyone. Yeah, yeah,

4222
04:06:51,680 --> 04:06:53,160
Speaker 1: and I think you know all of the stuff that

4223
04:06:53,200 --> 04:06:56,240
Speaker 1: I've been seeing right about you know. Like another part

4224
04:06:56,280 --> 04:06:59,560
Speaker 1: of this also is is literally just like a thing

4225
04:06:59,600 --> 04:07:01,680
Speaker 1: that you can do that is organizing that will help

4226
04:07:01,680 --> 04:07:04,080
Speaker 1: in this stuff is literally just talking to your friends, yeah,

4227
04:07:04,680 --> 04:07:08,640
Speaker 1: and being like, hey, here's my eight friends or whatever,

4228
04:07:08,920 --> 04:07:12,160
Speaker 1: here are things. How do you feel about this? You know,

4229
04:07:12,240 --> 04:07:13,800
Speaker 1: and then and then and then try and then you know,

4230
04:07:14,000 --> 04:07:15,880
Speaker 1: using using this kind of stuff using this kind of

4231
04:07:15,920 --> 04:07:20,640
Speaker 1: mapping stuff and you know, using using what you can

4232
04:07:20,880 --> 04:07:25,080
Speaker 1: learn about how you know this this this, this, this

4233
04:07:25,240 --> 04:07:26,760
Speaker 1: part of it has been kind of abstract, but I

4234
04:07:27,680 --> 04:07:31,240
Speaker 1: think intentionally so it's like we we we we are,

4235
04:07:31,320 --> 04:07:33,480
Speaker 1: we are in a place where we need to very

4236
04:07:33,560 --> 04:07:38,320
Speaker 1: rapidly build up capacity for a kind of movements that

4237
04:07:38,360 --> 04:07:41,320
Speaker 1: can actually do things. And I think this is this,

4238
04:07:41,320 --> 04:07:47,440
Speaker 1: this is sort of like the planning phase for that is. Yeah,

4239
04:07:47,640 --> 04:07:49,360
Speaker 1: but you know, like these these are things that are

4240
04:07:49,360 --> 04:07:51,360
Speaker 1: going down to be created very quickly. These were we

4241
04:07:51,400 --> 04:07:54,200
Speaker 1: are going to have to very quickly figure out you

4242
04:07:54,240 --> 04:07:57,600
Speaker 1: know what what what levers can be like pushed right.

4243
04:07:57,600 --> 04:08:02,040
Speaker 1: And one of the things about like the first bathroom

4244
04:08:02,080 --> 04:08:05,680
Speaker 1: bill in North Carolina, right, it didn't get repealed, but

4245
04:08:05,920 --> 04:08:09,840
Speaker 1: it got like amended to be slightly less bad. Yeah,

4246
04:08:09,840 --> 04:08:12,240
Speaker 1: And it got amended to be slightly less bad because

4247
04:08:12,520 --> 04:08:14,520
Speaker 1: the state it very quickly ran into trouble with a

4248
04:08:14,520 --> 04:08:17,200
Speaker 1: bunch of corporations who were like, you know, because an

4249
04:08:17,200 --> 04:08:19,240
Speaker 1: initial push that they were like we're like, Okay, we're

4250
04:08:19,280 --> 04:08:21,080
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna pull out of events in this state.

4251
04:08:21,120 --> 04:08:23,720
Speaker 1: We're gonna pull out of like backing your giant, Like

4252
04:08:23,720 --> 04:08:25,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna pull out of having our giant like fucking

4253
04:08:25,560 --> 04:08:28,640
Speaker 1: sports tournaments here, We're gonna pull out of like advertising

4254
04:08:28,680 --> 04:08:30,760
Speaker 1: for like retails off and that. And that got them

4255
04:08:30,800 --> 04:08:33,960
Speaker 1: to sort of like run away very very quickly, right,

4256
04:08:34,360 --> 04:08:36,880
Speaker 1: And that's been the one big thing they've been actually

4257
04:08:36,880 --> 04:08:38,400
Speaker 1: scared of. And I think this is part of why

4258
04:08:38,640 --> 04:08:41,200
Speaker 1: they've been pushing this sort of like quote corporation like

4259
04:08:41,240 --> 04:08:45,440
Speaker 1: anti Disney stuff so hard. Is that like the kind

4260
04:08:45,480 --> 04:08:48,480
Speaker 1: of backlash that can very quickly get these people to

4261
04:08:48,640 --> 04:08:51,680
Speaker 1: flip is the kind of backlash that starts actually hurting.

4262
04:08:52,200 --> 04:08:55,000
Speaker 1: If these kinds of bills start hurting their bottom line,

4263
04:08:55,320 --> 04:08:57,720
Speaker 1: these a lot of these people will flip because a

4264
04:08:57,800 --> 04:08:59,520
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of even the legislators who are

4265
04:08:59,560 --> 04:09:01,880
Speaker 1: voting for this arn't as hardline as to sort of

4266
04:09:01,920 --> 04:09:06,600
Speaker 1: like daily wire people. And if their campaign funders are like, hey,

4267
04:09:06,680 --> 04:09:09,560
Speaker 1: you gotta fucking turn this around so the economy can

4268
04:09:09,600 --> 04:09:12,440
Speaker 1: go back to normal, like they they will flip on

4269
04:09:12,480 --> 04:09:14,960
Speaker 1: this stuff. Okay, this is what I was talking about,

4270
04:09:15,040 --> 04:09:17,080
Speaker 1: is about things that you can do to begin to

4271
04:09:17,200 --> 04:09:20,360
Speaker 1: mount pressure campaigns and mount direct actions. I also wanted

4272
04:09:20,360 --> 04:09:24,160
Speaker 1: to talk about sort of like just survival network stuff

4273
04:09:24,200 --> 04:09:26,000
Speaker 1: because that also was going to be a part of this.

4274
04:09:27,200 --> 04:09:29,400
Speaker 1: And yeah, Margaret, you had a lot of very very

4275
04:09:29,440 --> 04:09:33,000
Speaker 1: good stuff in a thread that you wrote about this. Yeah,

4276
04:09:33,040 --> 04:09:36,640
Speaker 1: I wrote a thread a week or so ago about

4277
04:09:36,680 --> 04:09:39,440
Speaker 1: all this stuff as I woke up and doom squirrelled

4278
04:09:39,480 --> 04:09:41,400
Speaker 1: for a while, and you know, and I was just

4279
04:09:41,440 --> 04:09:43,760
Speaker 1: thinking a lot back on the organizing that I know

4280
04:09:43,800 --> 04:09:45,440
Speaker 1: people are doing and stuff like that, and trying to

4281
04:09:45,440 --> 04:09:47,560
Speaker 1: put things together and and so some of it's just

4282
04:09:47,680 --> 04:09:53,160
Speaker 1: kind of like tips, right, And I want to say,

4283
04:09:53,760 --> 04:09:57,720
Speaker 1: like again, well again to the threat, not to something

4284
04:09:57,760 --> 04:10:00,080
Speaker 1: I've said here, Um, I think that we need to

4285
04:10:00,120 --> 04:10:02,640
Speaker 1: focus on what unites us and not what divides us.

4286
04:10:02,720 --> 04:10:04,600
Speaker 1: Right now. I think that this is not a time

4287
04:10:05,920 --> 04:10:12,480
Speaker 1: for public facing internal conflict. It is not a time

4288
04:10:12,560 --> 04:10:19,760
Speaker 1: for interpersonal conflict to be aired publicly. Not to say

4289
04:10:19,760 --> 04:10:22,360
Speaker 1: that interpersonal conflict doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. We need

4290
04:10:22,400 --> 04:10:25,080
Speaker 1: to you know. I believe mediation is actually one of

4291
04:10:25,120 --> 04:10:28,320
Speaker 1: the most important skills actually, frankly, literally, if you're listening

4292
04:10:28,320 --> 04:10:30,040
Speaker 1: and you have any mediation skills, I think it is

4293
04:10:30,080 --> 04:10:32,160
Speaker 1: the thing that the revolution needs more than anything else.

4294
04:10:32,200 --> 04:10:37,880
Speaker 1: Off the top of my head, but overall, basically, there's

4295
04:10:37,920 --> 04:10:40,440
Speaker 1: something that MC Soul said, I don't know if his

4296
04:10:40,520 --> 04:10:42,320
Speaker 1: own podcast might have been Twitter a long time ago.

4297
04:10:42,360 --> 04:10:44,200
Speaker 1: And it's really stuck in my head, which is that

4298
04:10:44,200 --> 04:10:46,560
Speaker 1: we need to focus on. We need to de escalate

4299
04:10:46,640 --> 04:10:49,160
Speaker 1: all conflict that isn't with the enemy, Which isn't to

4300
04:10:49,160 --> 04:10:51,640
Speaker 1: say that the conflict doesn't happen, is that we need

4301
04:10:51,720 --> 04:10:53,720
Speaker 1: to look how to de escalate it and bring it

4302
04:10:53,800 --> 04:10:57,640
Speaker 1: down in pressure. Except when it's with the enemy, like

4303
04:10:57,640 --> 04:10:59,960
Speaker 1: with someone who's trying to murder all the trans people

4304
04:11:00,080 --> 04:11:02,640
Speaker 1: or someone who's like a white nationalist or whatever, right,

4305
04:11:02,880 --> 04:11:05,360
Speaker 1: we are not looking to de escalate that conflict. We

4306
04:11:05,400 --> 04:11:08,320
Speaker 1: are probably looking to escalate that conflict. We are looking

4307
04:11:08,320 --> 04:11:09,960
Speaker 1: to make it very clear the way in which we

4308
04:11:10,000 --> 04:11:13,640
Speaker 1: are not that person. But and I'm as guilty this

4309
04:11:13,680 --> 04:11:16,040
Speaker 1: as anyone else. I have a lot of pet peeves

4310
04:11:16,080 --> 04:11:21,000
Speaker 1: that people who listen to my show are very aware of. Also,

4311
04:11:21,240 --> 04:11:23,680
Speaker 1: this fight will happen on multiple fronts, using multiple tactics.

4312
04:11:23,680 --> 04:11:26,000
Speaker 1: There's this magical phrase diversity of tactics, and we have

4313
04:11:26,040 --> 04:11:28,640
Speaker 1: to mean it. And diversity of tactics usually means like

4314
04:11:28,720 --> 04:11:31,080
Speaker 1: kind of like, no, you should support my tactic, like

4315
04:11:31,280 --> 04:11:33,560
Speaker 1: especially if you're like tactic is like riots or something.

4316
04:11:33,600 --> 04:11:35,680
Speaker 1: You know. You often say diversity of tactics, and what

4317
04:11:35,720 --> 04:11:37,320
Speaker 1: you really mean is like my shit rules and your

4318
04:11:37,320 --> 04:11:39,880
Speaker 1: shit sucks. We actually have to straight up mean it.

4319
04:11:39,920 --> 04:11:42,320
Speaker 1: We need to support the people who are focused in

4320
04:11:42,400 --> 04:11:45,240
Speaker 1: legislative action, even though it's not where we are strong.

4321
04:11:45,640 --> 04:11:48,200
Speaker 1: It is a place that needs to be shored up.

4322
04:11:48,480 --> 04:11:50,560
Speaker 1: We need to focus. We need to support the people

4323
04:11:50,560 --> 04:11:53,800
Speaker 1: who focus on community defense. We need to focus. We

4324
04:11:53,880 --> 04:11:56,120
Speaker 1: need to support the people who are doing illegal things.

4325
04:11:56,360 --> 04:11:58,360
Speaker 1: We need to support the people who are doing organizing

4326
04:11:58,400 --> 04:12:01,640
Speaker 1: in all kinds of different ways. And if build organizations

4327
04:12:01,680 --> 04:12:04,960
Speaker 1: that accept diversity of tactics and don't expect to have

4328
04:12:04,960 --> 04:12:08,800
Speaker 1: a sort of hegemony over the movement, we can create

4329
04:12:08,800 --> 04:12:11,880
Speaker 1: a very strong movement. Most of my personal infighting is

4330
04:12:11,880 --> 04:12:13,400
Speaker 1: with people who do want to have a Gemini over

4331
04:12:13,440 --> 04:12:16,440
Speaker 1: a movement, and so you get I fall into this

4332
04:12:16,520 --> 04:12:20,480
Speaker 1: like trap where I'm like, how do we fucking anyway whatever? Okay,

4333
04:12:20,960 --> 04:12:23,400
Speaker 1: other things that people can do if you are not

4334
04:12:23,520 --> 04:12:25,920
Speaker 1: visibility LGBT and you feel like it is safe to

4335
04:12:25,960 --> 04:12:27,640
Speaker 1: do so, or you feel like it is dangerous to

4336
04:12:27,640 --> 04:12:29,080
Speaker 1: do so, and you're willing to be a little bit

4337
04:12:29,120 --> 04:12:32,440
Speaker 1: fucking dangerous because we are in complicated fucking times, be

4338
04:12:32,640 --> 04:12:36,960
Speaker 1: publicly clear that you support lg LGTP, whatever us And

4339
04:12:37,120 --> 04:12:40,000
Speaker 1: like the day that I wrote yeah, support the queers,

4340
04:12:40,240 --> 04:12:41,800
Speaker 1: Like the day that I wrote this. I live in

4341
04:12:41,840 --> 04:12:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, I live in West Virginia. I go to

4342
04:12:44,160 --> 04:12:47,080
Speaker 1: Lows and you know I'm having a bad day. I'm like, fuck,

4343
04:12:47,120 --> 04:12:49,760
Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, at what point is it

4344
04:12:49,760 --> 04:12:51,640
Speaker 1: going to be a crime for me to go to Lows? Right?

4345
04:12:51,960 --> 04:12:55,800
Speaker 1: And the like guy, just the fucking metal head guy

4346
04:12:55,840 --> 04:13:01,000
Speaker 1: who seemed kind of like super masculine metal guy tattoos

4347
04:13:01,680 --> 04:13:05,520
Speaker 1: and he had his fucking like trans ally support pin

4348
04:13:05,680 --> 04:13:08,320
Speaker 1: on And if we were in like a big major city,

4349
04:13:08,400 --> 04:13:10,440
Speaker 1: it might have almost seemed like cringey because it said

4350
04:13:10,480 --> 04:13:14,520
Speaker 1: like ally or whatever on it, right, And I'm fucking

4351
04:13:14,640 --> 04:13:18,440
Speaker 1: overworrying about what's cringe e. I'm like, no, thank you.

4352
04:13:18,560 --> 04:13:20,960
Speaker 1: I I went up and I thanked him, right, because

4353
04:13:20,960 --> 04:13:25,520
Speaker 1: it like fucking helped my day. And that kind of

4354
04:13:25,520 --> 04:13:28,400
Speaker 1: shit is going to matter because it is now actually

4355
04:13:28,440 --> 04:13:32,920
Speaker 1: a fairly dangerous thing in some places to be visibly

4356
04:13:33,800 --> 04:13:36,400
Speaker 1: in support of us, And I absolutely appreciate the people

4357
04:13:36,440 --> 04:13:43,320
Speaker 1: who are doing it. And another thing that we need

4358
04:13:43,360 --> 04:13:44,720
Speaker 1: to support this is the kind of thing that you've

4359
04:13:44,720 --> 04:13:46,480
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about is that, Okay, we need

4360
04:13:46,520 --> 04:13:49,080
Speaker 1: to have support networks. We need to have networks that

4361
04:13:49,120 --> 04:13:53,680
Speaker 1: are protecting trans people, families that are leaving environments. There's

4362
04:13:53,720 --> 04:13:57,600
Speaker 1: so many families that want to leave these states where

4363
04:13:57,320 --> 04:14:00,160
Speaker 1: their child is no longer safe will be or so

4364
04:14:00,280 --> 04:14:03,840
Speaker 1: detransition will not be allowed to transition. There are transparents

4365
04:14:03,840 --> 04:14:06,600
Speaker 1: in Florida who might be at risk of losing their children.

4366
04:14:06,640 --> 04:14:08,440
Speaker 1: All of these things, people are going to want to move.

4367
04:14:08,720 --> 04:14:11,680
Speaker 1: We need to support people materially who are trying to move.

4368
04:14:12,120 --> 04:14:14,440
Speaker 1: And there will be organizations that are doing this. If

4369
04:14:14,440 --> 04:14:16,960
Speaker 1: they don't exist yet, you can start them. And if

4370
04:14:16,960 --> 04:14:19,320
Speaker 1: you wait for them to start, that's also sometimes okay,

4371
04:14:19,320 --> 04:14:22,400
Speaker 1: if you're played is full, you can support those organizations

4372
04:14:23,000 --> 04:14:26,400
Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways. We can also support

4373
04:14:26,440 --> 04:14:28,400
Speaker 1: and not shame people who choose to live in red

4374
04:14:28,440 --> 04:14:31,160
Speaker 1: states as like, as a Red state transperson, I think

4375
04:14:31,200 --> 04:14:32,800
Speaker 1: about this a lot about like because like I'm not

4376
04:14:32,880 --> 04:14:36,480
Speaker 1: planning on moving right, you know, it helps that I'm

4377
04:14:36,480 --> 04:14:41,200
Speaker 1: an adult. I'm like settled whatever, Like my mental health

4378
04:14:41,320 --> 04:14:45,320
Speaker 1: is strong, you know, but I'm not planning on going anywhere.

4379
04:14:45,680 --> 04:14:48,640
Speaker 1: And that's why we can't give up these spaces, right.

4380
04:14:49,200 --> 04:14:52,160
Speaker 1: I think that one of the things I kind of

4381
04:14:52,160 --> 04:14:55,520
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, but is that like we are not in

4382
04:14:55,600 --> 04:14:58,200
Speaker 1: normal times. We need to take this seriously. We also

4383
04:14:58,280 --> 04:15:00,920
Speaker 1: need to not assume that all this is a foregone conclusion.

4384
04:15:01,480 --> 04:15:04,280
Speaker 1: We need to not assume that this will go down

4385
04:15:04,400 --> 04:15:07,920
Speaker 1: like Nazi Germany. However, we need to be aware that

4386
04:15:08,000 --> 04:15:11,400
Speaker 1: it might, and we need everyone This is not a

4387
04:15:11,400 --> 04:15:14,960
Speaker 1: trans people thing, This isn't everyone thing. We need to

4388
04:15:14,960 --> 04:15:18,640
Speaker 1: think about what that actually means. You know, there's that

4389
04:15:18,800 --> 04:15:21,080
Speaker 1: cliche that is true right now that is like, if

4390
04:15:21,120 --> 04:15:22,360
Speaker 1: you want to know what you have been doing in

4391
04:15:22,680 --> 04:15:25,680
Speaker 1: Germany in nineteen thirty three, it's what you're doing right now.

4392
04:15:26,320 --> 04:15:29,840
Speaker 1: And that's true. This is a time for us to

4393
04:15:30,000 --> 04:15:32,760
Speaker 1: be the kind of person that we want to be.

4394
04:15:33,200 --> 04:15:36,440
Speaker 1: We are in dangerous and complicated times, and it is

4395
04:15:36,480 --> 04:15:38,800
Speaker 1: times that we need to be brave, and we need

4396
04:15:38,800 --> 04:15:42,040
Speaker 1: to be brave for each other. Bravery is not the

4397
04:15:42,080 --> 04:15:46,640
Speaker 1: absence of fear. Bravery is doing things despite fear. Bravery

4398
04:15:46,720 --> 04:15:49,560
Speaker 1: is the presence of courage, not the lack of awareness

4399
04:15:49,560 --> 04:15:54,360
Speaker 1: that things are scary and bad. Yes, and that's kind

4400
04:15:54,360 --> 04:15:57,080
Speaker 1: of like my main thing is I want us to

4401
04:15:57,240 --> 04:16:02,240
Speaker 1: not panic, right, not assume that we're going to lose,

4402
04:16:03,040 --> 04:16:05,400
Speaker 1: to realize that they are acting this way because they're

4403
04:16:05,440 --> 04:16:09,040
Speaker 1: on their back foot. This was always going to happen

4404
04:16:09,680 --> 04:16:13,720
Speaker 1: in the fact that in a way we kind of

4405
04:16:13,800 --> 04:16:16,640
Speaker 1: started this fight by like existing and like coming out

4406
04:16:16,640 --> 04:16:19,200
Speaker 1: of the closet and shit. But we basically were like, no,

4407
04:16:19,320 --> 04:16:23,200
Speaker 1: we're allowed to be here, and most people were like, yeah, okay,

4408
04:16:23,240 --> 04:16:25,240
Speaker 1: I guess that tracks. I guess you're allowed to be here.

4409
04:16:25,400 --> 04:16:28,320
Speaker 1: And then some small portion were like, these are demons

4410
04:16:28,440 --> 04:16:32,000
Speaker 1: from hell sent to rip the tits off of the children.

4411
04:16:32,080 --> 04:16:35,800
Speaker 1: I'd like to marry. The freaks like Matt Walsh are

4412
04:16:35,800 --> 04:16:39,960
Speaker 1: the ones who declared quote unquote war on trans people, right,

4413
04:16:41,440 --> 04:16:45,520
Speaker 1: because we were coming for their way of life, not

4414
04:16:45,840 --> 04:16:49,120
Speaker 1: their way of life in terms of like heterosexual marriage

4415
04:16:49,360 --> 04:16:54,600
Speaker 1: that gets to still exist, that's fine, like, but compulsory

4416
04:16:54,640 --> 04:17:00,560
Speaker 1: heterosexuality and compulsory sis sexuality is the thing that we

4417
04:17:00,680 --> 04:17:04,160
Speaker 1: are coming for. And their way of life is hegemony.

4418
04:17:04,240 --> 04:17:06,920
Speaker 1: Their way of life is being the only force of power.

4419
04:17:07,480 --> 04:17:10,000
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I guess the other stuff is that

4420
04:17:10,080 --> 04:17:13,120
Speaker 1: we just okay, what would you do in Nazi Germany?

4421
04:17:13,160 --> 04:17:14,920
Speaker 1: That's what you're doing right now, and you should think

4422
04:17:14,960 --> 04:17:17,000
Speaker 1: about what skills you have and how they apply to

4423
04:17:17,080 --> 04:17:21,640
Speaker 1: different things. And then the kind of final point to

4424
04:17:21,800 --> 04:17:24,880
Speaker 1: a lot of this is as a specific issue and

4425
04:17:24,920 --> 04:17:26,840
Speaker 1: it's a pet issue of mine, and that could be

4426
04:17:26,840 --> 04:17:28,840
Speaker 1: completely wrong. I have a lot of bias about this,

4427
04:17:29,160 --> 04:17:31,840
Speaker 1: but I would fucking love it if liberals would shut

4428
04:17:31,840 --> 04:17:35,960
Speaker 1: the fuck up about guns. Right now, it is very

4429
04:17:36,040 --> 04:17:38,240
Speaker 1: hard for me to find a state that is not

4430
04:17:38,360 --> 04:17:40,240
Speaker 1: either in the process of trying to tell me that

4431
04:17:40,280 --> 04:17:43,200
Speaker 1: I can't wear a dress, or find a state that

4432
04:17:43,320 --> 04:17:45,160
Speaker 1: is trying to tell me that I can't carry the

4433
04:17:45,240 --> 04:17:48,360
Speaker 1: means to protect myself from the violent bigots who want

4434
04:17:48,400 --> 04:17:50,960
Speaker 1: to kill me because I wear a dress. It is

4435
04:17:51,040 --> 04:17:53,800
Speaker 1: incredibly hard to find states that are not pushing in

4436
04:17:53,840 --> 04:17:56,640
Speaker 1: one of those directions or another, and it is embarrassing.

4437
04:17:56,920 --> 04:18:01,080
Speaker 1: It is embarrassing that this, of all times, is the

4438
04:18:01,120 --> 04:18:04,760
Speaker 1: time that liberals are focusing so hard on gun issues,

4439
04:18:04,920 --> 04:18:07,800
Speaker 1: which is a culture war bullshit thing for them. They

4440
04:18:07,880 --> 04:18:11,960
Speaker 1: don't fucking care. They didn't fucking care about abortion. They

4441
04:18:12,040 --> 04:18:21,280
Speaker 1: just want your fucking votes. And we are probably entering

4442
04:18:21,320 --> 04:18:25,760
Speaker 1: a very bad and hard time. However, we can do it.

4443
04:18:26,320 --> 04:18:29,080
Speaker 1: We have done it in the past, and my reading

4444
04:18:29,120 --> 04:18:31,680
Speaker 1: of history it basically is this cycle I kind of

4445
04:18:31,720 --> 04:18:35,200
Speaker 1: don't quite believe in, like a forward progress everything gets better,

4446
04:18:36,640 --> 04:18:43,680
Speaker 1: things ebb and flow. And however, we will survive this,

4447
04:18:44,320 --> 04:18:48,480
Speaker 1: not necessarily all of us as individuals. Probably probably there

4448
04:18:48,520 --> 04:18:51,600
Speaker 1: won't be like large numbers of killings as a result

4449
04:18:51,640 --> 04:18:56,200
Speaker 1: of this, but it is possible, right, But they it

4450
04:18:56,360 --> 04:19:00,800
Speaker 1: is impossible to stamp out homosexuality, It is impossible to

4451
04:19:00,880 --> 04:19:06,280
Speaker 1: stamp out transsexuality. We have always been here, we will

4452
04:19:06,320 --> 04:19:13,000
Speaker 1: always be here. And so yeah, to quote my final

4453
04:19:13,160 --> 04:19:15,520
Speaker 1: quote in that particular threat, I definitely went off threat.

4454
04:19:15,560 --> 04:19:18,640
Speaker 1: But um, we need to find each other. We need

4455
04:19:18,680 --> 04:19:21,560
Speaker 1: to stop fighting with each other about bullshit. We need

4456
04:19:21,600 --> 04:19:24,200
Speaker 1: to defend each other. We need to be brave. And

4457
04:19:24,240 --> 04:19:30,640
Speaker 1: then I will cite the anarchist's prayer, which is that

4458
04:19:30,680 --> 04:19:32,720
Speaker 1: I ask not to be safe for my enemies, but

4459
04:19:32,840 --> 04:19:37,440
Speaker 1: dangerous to them, because all right, this is what we're

4460
04:19:37,480 --> 04:19:41,400
Speaker 1: fucking doing, and like, we all want to be safe,

4461
04:19:41,520 --> 04:19:46,000
Speaker 1: but that's not something that we're guaranteed. What we are

4462
04:19:46,040 --> 04:19:49,480
Speaker 1: guaranteed is that we can choose how to handle the

4463
04:19:49,520 --> 04:19:53,360
Speaker 1: situation that we're in. And then almost done, almost done.

4464
04:19:53,920 --> 04:19:56,040
Speaker 1: You talked to earlier about what we owe the dead

4465
04:19:56,080 --> 04:19:57,960
Speaker 1: I really liked your way phrasing that. I really liked

4466
04:19:57,960 --> 04:19:59,400
Speaker 1: a lot of what you were talking about about all

4467
04:19:59,400 --> 04:20:04,240
Speaker 1: of that, and one thing that I think about we're

4468
04:20:04,280 --> 04:20:07,280
Speaker 1: talking about like the Catholic church and shit right, one

4469
04:20:07,320 --> 04:20:09,760
Speaker 1: thing that I owe the dead is I owe Sister Dominic,

4470
04:20:09,920 --> 04:20:14,000
Speaker 1: a Catholic nun, to not fucking go back into the

4471
04:20:14,040 --> 04:20:17,200
Speaker 1: closet because when my cousin came out as trans, this

4472
04:20:17,280 --> 04:20:20,040
Speaker 1: woman who is literally married to God, she died a

4473
04:20:20,040 --> 04:20:23,800
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, maybe ten years ago now, before

4474
04:20:23,840 --> 04:20:26,600
Speaker 1: I came out, but my cousin came out before me,

4475
04:20:26,720 --> 04:20:29,640
Speaker 1: because it's a contagion now because we were always fucking trans,

4476
04:20:29,680 --> 04:20:33,760
Speaker 1: and she was completely supportive, completely and immediately in my like,

4477
04:20:34,720 --> 04:20:38,320
Speaker 1: you know, and just this is a woman who dedicated

4478
04:20:38,320 --> 04:20:45,320
Speaker 1: her entire life too well to God and saw literally

4479
04:20:45,440 --> 04:20:48,880
Speaker 1: no problem. Was the most immediately accepting person immediately said

4480
04:20:48,880 --> 04:20:51,320
Speaker 1: you know, I bet she's always felt that way. And

4481
04:20:51,360 --> 04:20:55,920
Speaker 1: so I personally owe it to her to tell these

4482
04:20:55,920 --> 04:20:59,760
Speaker 1: Catholics to shut the fuck up, because fucking Jesus Is

4483
04:21:00,040 --> 04:21:04,400
Speaker 1: wife says, it's fine. Fuck you, That's what I got.

4484
04:21:05,720 --> 04:21:09,440
Speaker 1: Thank you, Margaret, Yeah, that was fantastic. Where where can

4485
04:21:09,480 --> 04:21:13,280
Speaker 1: people find you? And some of your other work across

4486
04:21:13,440 --> 04:21:16,560
Speaker 1: the across the web. Yeah, I just finished a four

4487
04:21:16,600 --> 04:21:19,840
Speaker 1: part series on Stonewall and the stuff that came before Stonewall,

4488
04:21:19,840 --> 04:21:22,000
Speaker 1: the riots that kind of brought us this movement, and

4489
04:21:22,040 --> 04:21:24,920
Speaker 1: how it was all different types of queers and even

4490
04:21:24,960 --> 04:21:29,080
Speaker 1: some hat people working together to bring us as far

4491
04:21:29,120 --> 04:21:31,720
Speaker 1: as we've gotten. And you can find that on my

4492
04:21:31,760 --> 04:21:34,520
Speaker 1: podcast Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff. It's with It

4493
04:21:34,520 --> 04:21:39,560
Speaker 1: Could Happen here host Sharine as my guest. And you

4494
04:21:39,600 --> 04:21:41,720
Speaker 1: can also find me talking about the end of the

4495
04:21:41,760 --> 04:21:44,040
Speaker 1: world on Live Like the World Is Dying as another

4496
04:21:44,080 --> 04:21:47,640
Speaker 1: podcast that I'm a co host of. And my most

4497
04:21:47,680 --> 04:21:51,000
Speaker 1: recent book is called Escape from Insel Island, and it

4498
04:21:51,160 --> 04:21:53,840
Speaker 1: is not nonfiction. It is not something about how people

4499
04:21:53,880 --> 04:21:56,200
Speaker 1: should get better. It's literally about someone with the shotgun

4500
04:21:56,200 --> 04:21:57,960
Speaker 1: who lands on an island full of insults and has

4501
04:21:57,960 --> 04:22:02,880
Speaker 1: to get out alive. Fantastic. Well, thank you for listening

4502
04:22:02,920 --> 04:22:06,280
Speaker 1: through all the way. If you are still here, hopefully,

4503
04:22:06,600 --> 04:22:11,400
Speaker 1: hopefully you've learned something interesting across these these these two

4504
04:22:11,440 --> 04:22:14,800
Speaker 1: pretty pretty heavy episodes. We will we will see you

4505
04:22:14,800 --> 04:22:20,200
Speaker 1: on the other side. Hey, We'll be back Monday with

4506
04:22:20,360 --> 04:22:23,200
Speaker 1: more episodes every week from now and totally heat death

4507
04:22:23,200 --> 04:22:25,760
Speaker 1: of the Universe. It could Happen here as a production

4508
04:22:25,800 --> 04:22:28,840
Speaker 1: of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool Zone Media,

4509
04:22:28,960 --> 04:22:31,560
Speaker 1: visit our website cool zonemedia dot com or check us

4510
04:22:31,560 --> 04:22:34,400
Speaker 1: out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

4511
04:22:34,480 --> 04:22:37,040
Speaker 1: listen to podcasts. You can find sources for It could

4512
04:22:37,080 --> 04:22:41,000
Speaker 1: Happen Here, updated monthly at cool zonemedia dot com slash sources.

4513
04:22:41,240 --> 04:22:42,040
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.