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It's a conflict of interest. 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,959 Speaker 3: Here's what he said in part quote. I love football 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 3: at its core. It's a game of principles, and with 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 3: all the success that has given me, I feel I 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 3: have a moral and ethical duty to the sport, which 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 3: is why the point where my roles intersect is not 16 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 3: actually a point of conflict, despite what the paranoid and 17 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 3: distrustful might believe. Rather, it's the place from which my 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: ethical duty emerges to grow, evolve, and improve the game 19 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 3: that is given me everything. 20 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 4: What do he say? 21 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 5: Call people again? 22 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 3: He called you, Rob Parker, paranoid and distressful. 23 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 1: Thank you and Tom Brady, is this on. I hope 24 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: you're listening loud and clear. There's a reason that people 25 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: don't trust you in this circumstance because along with being 26 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: a great quarterback, you're a great cheater and you come 27 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: from an organization that did nothing but cheat. The flake Gate, 28 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: spy gait. What was the other gate? It was one 29 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: more all the gates. I got a couple gates for you, 30 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: all right, Like there's just so many things out there. 31 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: And Tom Brady, you're the one who was suspended by 32 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: the National Football League. Do you remember when you destroyed 33 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: your phone rather than cooperate all Tom Brady had to do. 34 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: I'll never forget this moment in NFL history when Peter 35 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: Alexander from NBC News looked you straight in the face 36 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: and said, is Tom Brady at cheater? He shrugged his shoulders, 37 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: threw his hands up and said. 38 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 5: I don't think so. What do you mean, I don't 39 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 5: think so, That's what he said. I don't think so. 40 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: But he destroyed his phone rather than cooperate with the NFL. 41 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: Somehow he had three hundred text messages with a guy 42 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: he said he didn't know anything about. Either they were 43 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: having a relationship or something else. 44 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 5: I mean, you have three hundred text messages and you 45 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 5: don't know He. 46 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: Claims, you don't know the guy personally, and his nickname 47 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: was the deflator in those Texas. 48 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 5: Can you help me? You don't know who that guy is. 49 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: Come on, Tom, this is why people don't trust you. 50 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: Your history, your legacy is filled with cheating. Why would 51 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: you stop now? And you could say, oh, I didn't 52 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: know what was going on. Oh g golly with I 53 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: don't know stop it. You knew what was going on 54 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: with the deflated footballs. 55 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 4: I have no knowledge of anything. Respect him. 56 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 5: Robbie said he had no knowledge. So my point is simple. 57 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: People don't think this is a good idea and it 58 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: is a conflict of interest and you can't see it 59 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: because you want what you want. You want the high 60 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: paying television job, yet you want to be an owner. 61 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 5: Nobody else is doing that. 62 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: Nobody else because it doesn't go together for the fellow coaches, 63 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: and people go, oh, they're. 64 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 5: A big deal. They just like you. 65 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: In reality, if they were asked an honest question where 66 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: maybe they didn't have to be counted, they'd have a 67 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: different response. 68 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 6: Look, I mean you already touched the we we've talked 69 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 6: about that, and then you touched on some of the 70 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 6: things that I'm gonna add to it. So Tom Brady 71 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 6: went from deflating and scrubbing balls to scrubbing calls, right, 72 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 6: he went to, you know, hey, scrubbing them calls out 73 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 6: the call log. And we know about the deflate gate, 74 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 6: Tampa Gate. Don't forget Tampa Gate with Tampa Wine with 75 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 6: the Dolphins. And this is what I think he's misconstruing. 76 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 5: Tom. 77 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 6: Let's say you've turned a new leaf. Nobody's saying you're 78 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 6: going to but Daggin people say you can. And I 79 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 6: don't think I don't understand how he can have an 80 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 6: issue with people saying there's a possibility when you had 81 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 6: the track record. But also we've known in sports people 82 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 6: try to find a competitive edge. Let me add another 83 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 6: one that he did wasn't illegal, but it was him 84 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 6: and somebody else trying to find a competitive edge. Remember 85 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 6: when he and his fellow great who had found out 86 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 6: now they're like best of buzz. 87 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,119 Speaker 5: They didn't want us to know when they were playing 88 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 5: Peyton Manny. 89 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 6: Remember they went and talked to the league about stop 90 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 6: hitting us low and we don't want to hit us here, 91 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 6: and they're hitting us like that, and then Tom Brady 92 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 6: a few years back. 93 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 5: Man, they got to take hits. 94 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,119 Speaker 6: I was out there to take It's Tom easy, Tom, 95 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 6: You and Peyton Manning were the main two going about, 96 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 6: we're getting hit too hard, we're getting hit too low, 97 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 6: and get you here. 98 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: Also the ones who went to the league to ask 99 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: that they have their own balls every time they were quarterbacking, 100 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: their balls came in and that's how and that's the 101 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: whole thing. Came back with something else. Just be one 102 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: game ball, right. 103 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 6: So so again, what he's misconstruing is nobody is walking. 104 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 6: I think he's taking it as if people were saying, oh, 105 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 6: you're going to repairanoid. No, we're saying what we've learned 106 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 6: about sports, people are going to find a competitive edge, 107 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 6: whether they're gonna be habitual line steppers and right there 108 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 6: on the line, or if they're gonna cross it a bit, 109 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 6: whether it's steroids and track. We know how flunny that 110 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 6: was throughout the eighties and nineties, early two thousands. We 111 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 6: know about it in baseball, we know about we just 112 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 6: got all this stuff with the Clippers allegedly. Point is 113 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 6: people teams are gonna take full advantage opportunities, Tom, you 114 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 6: have a track record of it, or at least being 115 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 6: a line stepper. So the idea that if there is 116 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 6: a competitive edge to be had, you wouldn't take it, 117 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 6: stop it. All you gotta do is say, hey, man, 118 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 6: I ain't here for none of that. I'm here to 119 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 6: play ball, help you know, or help my team win. 120 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 6: But you don't have to act like we're crazy. That's 121 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 6: the part that you don't act like we're crazy, like, 122 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 6: oh my god, who would have should distrustful and paranoid? 123 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 6: Come on, Tom, paranoid is if the aliens are coming 124 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 6: on this day, then we got Timpleka. They were paranoid. 125 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 6: I'm in my sleep, somebody's breaking in my house, and 126 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 6: that's paranoid. This is just a proven track record that 127 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 6: you have, improven track record that people have oftentimes in 128 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 6: professional sports trying to find a competitive edge. It happens annually. 129 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 6: Look at the what Michigan did, look at what other 130 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 6: teams have done in other things. So don't act like 131 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 6: we're crazy, we're distrustful, or we're paranoid. That's the part 132 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 6: that I him me if he defended himself like, man, 133 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 6: I'm not gonna be I'm gonna be on the up 134 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 6: and up and I'm ready to help the Raiders. Cool, 135 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 6: that's what he believes, But don't put it on us 136 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 6: like we're crazy or naive. 137 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 138 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: the nation. 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Listen Over Promised with Covino and 168 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 8: Rich on the Iheartrate Apple Podcasts or wherever you get 169 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 8: your podcasts. 170 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 6: Fred Knott, we were concerned about the coordinators Ben Johnson 171 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 6: leaving Aaron Glenn Leavin, and rightfully so, I understand that 172 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 6: you use to lose your coordinators who were both implemental 173 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 6: to what you were doing instrumental, I should say, I 174 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 6: understand that, But Daggett, these coordinators look good right now. 175 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 4: They have found. 176 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 6: Ways to put up at fifty piece on the Bears. 177 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 6: Mind you, that is Ben Johnson, who supposedly knew everything 178 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 6: about the team, knew everything they're gonna do. He's been 179 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 6: there all those years, he knows the roster, he knows 180 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 6: all this. It looked like they knew him and they 181 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 6: destroyed what he was trying to do to a fifty 182 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 6: something piece barbecue speaking of looked like barbecue chicken. And 183 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 6: Shaq would say, Man, you coming to this game against 184 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 6: I have in the Super Bowl, you have winning the 185 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 6: Super Bowl and obviously a guy who competes for an 186 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 6: MVP every year, and guy who competes for Offensive Player 187 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 6: of the Year and Derrick Henry, and to come in 188 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 6: and you're able to put up thirty eight on this 189 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 6: team four hundred and twenty six yards. Here's the most 190 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 6: important part, two hundred and twenty four rushing yards to 191 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 6: their eighty five rushing yards. And that includes Derrick Henry 192 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 6: and Lamar Jackson rushing only eighty five yards. So I 193 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 6: looked at this game a couple of things. Now do I? 194 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 6: I think the Lions have something that I am big on. 195 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 5: And you know this, you've been doing now radio with 196 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 5: me for a year. 197 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 4: In identity, Rob. 198 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 6: They know who they are, what they do, how they 199 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 6: do it, no matter who, And that to me is 200 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 6: attributed to Tan Campbell gambling. Campbell, he gambled even when 201 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 6: I was having heart attacks and I was rooting for him. 202 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 6: He's going forward early as that first quarter fourth down, 203 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 6: going for it. He ends up being three for three, 204 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 6: because that's what they do, even to ice the game. 205 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 4: They're up eight, Why would you do this? You punt it, 206 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 4: you're up a he goes for it. 207 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 6: They throw a fourth and you know two and it 208 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 6: ends up being like a twenty five yard pass. 209 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 4: Dan Campbell knows exactly who he is. 210 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 6: He knows exactly what this team is, and you know 211 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 6: exactly what they're capable of doing. And to me, I 212 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 6: watched that game and they look more prepared, they look 213 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 6: more in sync, they look more united, They play tougher, 214 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 6: they played faster, and they I looked at them, and 215 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 6: that was the contrast to Baltimore. Baltimore didn't look like 216 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 6: they knew who was gonna close. I call it ABC. 217 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 6: If you're in sales, anybody listening sales know what ABC means, 218 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 6: always be closing. And the Baltimore Ravens they don't know 219 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 6: how to close. For whatever reasons, I have them going 220 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 6: to the super Bowl. But it makes you nervous picking 221 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 6: them because they struggle closing games. And you don't know 222 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 6: if it's Lamar, you don't know if it's John Harball, 223 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 6: who you've mentioned to me, critic love, You don't know 224 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 6: if it's the defense that's gonna let them down. Defense 225 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 6: ray Lewis rolled around in his bed, very roll around 226 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 6: his bed right now, the way that defense looks this season. 227 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 6: So I look at this game and I walked away 228 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 6: looking at Dan Campbell and looking at that Lion's team saying, 229 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 6: they know exactly who they are and what they do. 230 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 6: Gonna run the ball, They're gonna smash it down. They're 231 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:04,599 Speaker 6: gonna get after you the defensively. They might not have 232 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 6: the greatest defensive players individually, but as a collective, they're 233 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 6: gonna get after you and that, and they're gonna go 234 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 6: for it on fourth down. Whether you like it or 235 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 6: love it. I hope he changes a little bit in 236 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 6: the postseason. That story for another day. But I just 237 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 6: looked at that and said, Wow, they know exactly what 238 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 6: they are and that's why they played well, and that's 239 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 6: why I still obviously have them going to the postseason. 240 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 6: But I was disappointed in the Ravens the way they 241 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 6: always look frazzled. 242 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 4: They don't look like they're know what they're doing. 243 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 6: The Lions come out, they know exactly what fourth down 244 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 6: they're running, they know exactly what play they're running. 245 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 4: On third down to get to the fourth down. 246 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 6: They know exactly that they're going for it and they 247 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 6: and they look steady. The Ravens don't look steady when 248 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 6: they're down or when it's closed, so when it's they 249 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 6: look frazzled and weird at times. And again, who's gonna 250 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 6: be the person instead of is that John Harball in 251 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 6: his scheme and he's gonna change and he's gonna find 252 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 6: a way to stop to run or find a way 253 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 6: to put Lamar in better situations, or is Lamar gonna 254 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 6: say screw everybody on here, I'm gonna get it done. 255 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 6: I walked away like that's what. That's why we all 256 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 6: have a little anks with the race at times, because 257 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 6: he's the best player. He's so skilled, so is Derrick Henry. 258 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 6: But you walk away like I don't know. And that 259 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 6: was disappointing to see from the Ravens. But great game 260 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 6: from the Lions. They're exactly in a great position. You 261 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 6: have the Browns, you have the Bengals. If you win 262 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 6: that and you're up four to one right now in 263 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 6: the season, that is a tremendous, tremendous start, considering you 264 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 6: lost your coordinators and some people like when I sit 265 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 6: next to you said you ain't even gonna make the 266 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 6: postseason barbecue? 267 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: Are you done with that lame take of the Lions? 268 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: They know exactly what did you wing? They knew? 269 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 6: What? 270 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 5: Did they know what they were doing against Green Bay? No? 271 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 5: They did not. 272 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: Can they bank on two hundred and fifty yards on 273 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: the ground every week? 274 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 5: No they can. 275 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: Do you see how easily Baltimore was able to score 276 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: on them? 277 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 5: No? No, yes. 278 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: And the other one is if you're gonna get a 279 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: gift fumble where you're able to cash it, and of 280 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: course that's gonna help you. I looked at this game. 281 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: I didn't come away with the Lions are great. 282 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 6: I came away with the Ravens have let down, Lamar, 283 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 6: the coaches let them down. 284 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 5: The defense, they give up forty points every night. They 285 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 5: haven't done anything. 286 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: The Lions didn't do anything special, be Ranclodi points. The 287 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: defense is terrible. That's what I'm talking about. The fumbles 288 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: costantly fumbles. Yes, the Lions got their Christmas gift and 289 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: the Lions got their Christmas wish. 290 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 5: That's what this was. 291 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: You'll look back on this and this will be the 292 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: Lions super Bowl. 293 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 6: This game, right, here, celebrate all you won. This will 294 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 6: be the game, and you'll go back and go. Man, 295 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 6: what happened to that team? 296 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: When they beat the Ravens in Week three and they 297 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: re beat them in Baltimore that I thought they were 298 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: on their way and then they all of a sudden 299 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: lost to Cleveland and some other game, and I didn't 300 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: know what happened there. 301 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 5: Really, I didn't walk away with the Lions. 302 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: I walked away with how bad Baltimore played and what 303 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: they didn't do, and how they can't secure the ball, 304 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: and how they have a coach I told you who 305 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: should be fired because this is this is happens over 306 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: and over and over. How many times are we going 307 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: to see this? 308 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 4: So? 309 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 6: Why are you the Ravens in because they have the 310 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 6: greatest player. They have the greatest player in the league 311 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 6: right now, That's what I want. Why I'm hot? Why 312 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 6: can't Lamar close? You stop it with the Lamar? I said, 313 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 6: he's the best player. Why can't close the game? 314 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 5: They can get two hundred and fifty yards on the ground. 315 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 5: Would have to do with Lamore? 316 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 6: Why can't he close the game? No that I didn't say. 317 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 6: We have to go tackle people. Come on, why can't 318 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 6: he close? You can't do anything with dad when. 319 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: The game. 320 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 6: That's ridiculous. Come off of that game. Why can't Lamar Jackson? 321 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 5: Why can't can't hold on to the football? Come on, exactly, 322 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 5: that's a lazy take. Let's that's absolutely nothing to do 323 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 5: with that game. 324 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: He got sack seven times to start running back, caught 325 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: up another fourth quarter football that turned into. 326 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 6: Points, and you are Jackets, stop on defense. Come on, 327 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 6: Mark Jackson football and now I need him to be 328 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 6: the best player off. I need him to make him 329 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 6: play the big name Jaxic can make us play. It's 330 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 6: okay to be critical of him. Rob, It's okay, I 331 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 6: promise you. No, it's okay. It just promise you he 332 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 6: had none he makes. He doesn't make every play. I 333 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 6: promise you he doesn't. Had nothing to do with Lamar. 334 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 6: Didn't you watch the war? 335 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 5: Yes? No you didn't. I did too. 336 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 6: Then there's no way you walked away from that thinking 337 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 6: that Lamar Jackson played well. Nobody's questioning that he eternally 338 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 6: for the ninety seven percent of his games. 339 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 4: He's gonna play well. But what's the difference. 340 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 6: Why do we talk about Patrick Mahomes, Why do we 341 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 6: talk about Josh Allen. 342 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: Give me a game where Patrick's Mahomes defense gave up 343 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty yards? 344 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 5: Glad? How about yards on the ground every. 345 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 6: Single playoff game he played on a run, he was 346 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 6: down ten and he filed a way to win and 347 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 6: won the Super Bowl? 348 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 4: How about that? 349 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 6: Do you got Lamar Jackson two undred and fifty yards 350 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 6: on the ground in your court and your running back 351 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 6: coughs up the ball in the fourth. 352 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 5: And you're still in the game. Bit No, no, you can't. 353 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 5: He's doing that. 354 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 4: Came on that last time. 355 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 5: You kid't keep doing that. 356 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 6: You would have to doing that at some point, say 357 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 6: Lamar Jackson, I need a bit more from you to 358 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 6: close games. 359 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 4: Yes, issue would ever come. 360 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: I watched him in San Francisco blow out the forty 361 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: nine ers. 362 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 6: On Christmas Day. I've seen plenty of games. 363 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 5: He's been plenty plenty. 364 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 4: I need you when you're when you're not in a 365 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 4: front to come. Can you close the game? 366 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 8: Bar? 367 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: He threw a ball of Mark Andrews last year and 368 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: Buffalo and what did he do? 369 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 5: He dropped it? But but Lamar can't get it done. 370 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 5: Go watch tape. 371 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 6: Go watch the tape, Watch the tape, they he might 372 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 6: win it to be this year. It's okay, Rob Lamar 373 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 6: Jackson trying to better watch the game. 374 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 5: And you know what funny was against against Kansas. 375 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: City, Mars Jackson would up the two yard line if 376 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson was right after doing Lamar, if Lamar Jackson 377 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: was saying, Hey, yo, Dub, you're right, I gotta be better. 378 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 4: I gotta close games out. 379 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 6: Nobody's saying that Derreck Henry didn't foot things are you 380 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 6: know how many things happened to Great quarterbacks are out 381 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 6: the game and they can find a way, and Lamar 382 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 6: is too talented to not be able to find a 383 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 6: way at times when it's critical. At times, I just 384 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 6: think it's lazy. And this is what people do. 385 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: You'll bang on Lamar all you want and then he'll 386 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: win and you'll change your tune. 387 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 5: And I get it, No, no get it. He's because 388 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 5: what it takes. 389 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: He's what he has to do is win one, just 390 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: like John Elway couldn't win, and he won. 391 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 5: His last two Super Bowls his last two years. And 392 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 5: guess what. 393 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: John Elway is an all time great and he was 394 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: always great. 395 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 6: Lamar Jackson the same time great, which is why we 396 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 6: are not buying that if Lamar Jackson wasn't at all 397 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 6: forty points every game, because they lost two games and 398 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 6: they gave up forty points and Lamar is the reason 399 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 6: and start running back fumbled in both of those games in. 400 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 5: The fourth quarter. So so Lamar is going to get 401 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 5: me something clean. 402 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 4: So guess what. 403 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 6: So Lamar Jackson is gonna look up and will have 404 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 6: played seven eight more years of amazing football and at 405 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 6: some point we're gonna find every the defense did this, 406 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 6: his coach didn't do that. It's into Derek Henry fumble 407 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 6: that at some point he has to be able to say, 408 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 6: I have been this good. And watching that game last night, 409 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 6: there were too many moments that for the fourth when 410 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 6: they go for it on goal line against the Lions, 411 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 6: they just running plays, not even they're just out there 412 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 6: doing stuff like they know. They are not built. They're 413 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 6: not situated to absolutely go exactly what they're doing, and 414 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 6: Lamar has to find ways. It's on him. He knows it. 415 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 6: If he's sitting next to me, he would say, you 416 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 6: are right now. Not every game does any games where 417 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 6: defense lets up this or Derek Henry fumbles five. But 418 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 6: we're saying when I need to depend on him at 419 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 6: times he is faltered. 420 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 421 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 422 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 423 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 2: listen live. 424 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 5: Well very quietly. 425 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 3: One of the most important and big games of the 426 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 3: weekend is this upcoming Rams Colts game, because the Cult 427 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 3: are three and oh, the Rams are two and one. 428 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 3: They look like one of the best teams in football 429 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 3: for about three and a half quarters and they blew 430 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 3: it there in Philadelphia. 431 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, bad loss bade. 432 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 3: This game is very big long term for the NFL season. 433 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 3: And you mentioned that Shane Sneiken met with the media 434 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 3: earlier today. He was asked about Matthew Stafford and how 435 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 3: is it he's able to play at such a high 436 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 3: level at the ripe page of thirty seven. Take a 437 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 3: listen to this doozy. 438 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 9: I think he's one of the best probably to ever 439 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 9: do it. And I think he has a physicality about him, 440 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 9: like he's tough as it gets. I mean, you see 441 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 9: him taking shots and he gets up and he ain't 442 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 9: coming out of the game, and that's respect there, you know, 443 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 9: right away, just seeing that, but I think he can 444 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 9: make all the throws. You know, I think he does 445 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 9: a great job at seeing it. I mean, like I said, 446 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 9: he makes a big plays. 447 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 4: With his arm. 448 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 9: And when you got a guy that's done it at a 449 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 9: high level for a long time, He's seen a lot 450 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 9: of different looks and so getting them in out of 451 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 9: the right places. 452 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 4: He's been doing that for a long time. 453 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 9: But I mean, just most respect for him. 454 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: Just once again, a total like what are these guys smoking? 455 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: These coaches and whatnot. I know, you want to give 456 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: the other guy some kind words or whatever. Stafford has 457 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: played a long time. I watched his very first game 458 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: in Detroit. I covered most of his career. Okay, so 459 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: I've watched him play. But to consider him one of 460 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: the greatest who has ever done it, this reminds me 461 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: of these young kids who think Paul George is their goat. 462 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford is Paul George with a lucky championship that 463 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: he was able to get, you. 464 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 5: Know, late in his career. 465 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: None of the numbers or anything you talk about with 466 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford add up. None of it. There's a reason 467 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 1: he was called stat Padford in Detroit. They were down 468 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: twenty one to nothing, prevent defense. They let you throw 469 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: in front of him. You notice you watched it, and 470 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: he piled up numbers and whatnot, and they lost and 471 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: they will lose all the time. And I'm just saying, 472 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: those are the numbers that Stafford has. 473 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 5: They weren't any. I don't know if Stafford played for real. 474 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: I'm not sure he played ten games that mattered in 475 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: his entire career in Detroit. And I'm talking about the 476 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: three playoff games and maybe a couple of seasons, the 477 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: first game of the year, you know what I mean, 478 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: where something was on the line. I'm dead serious, Like, 479 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: I'm not so sure he played ten games in his 480 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: career that matter before he came to Los Angeles. Here's 481 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: the issue I have in this long career. Always a 482 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: Tier two quarterback, right, I only got to think one 483 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: time was he ever even considered a Tier one quarterback? 484 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: And I can't dispute that two time Pro Bowler one time. 485 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: I know he was an alternate on the Pro Bowl. 486 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: Has a losing record as a starter ten one, fourteen 487 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: and one in the playoffs, five and five and one 488 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: in five outside of that Super Bowl run. You know what, 489 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: I mean, And let's not forget the Rams went to 490 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl with Jared Goff. 491 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 5: Before he got there. 492 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: They weren't like an also ran or down try out 493 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: an organization, and the Messiah showed up and got him there. 494 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 5: So none of this stuff makes any sense to me. 495 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 5: I get it. 496 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: You fall in love with the arm and some of 497 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: the other attributes, which is fine to say that he 498 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: can sling the football and he he does a lot 499 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: of things well or whatever, but one of the greatest, 500 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: one of the best, who ever did it? I just 501 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: think it's overblown and people just toss around the idea 502 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: of who's great. 503 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 5: How could you even consider him one of the greatest 504 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 5: whoever done it? He has a losing record two Pro Bowls. 505 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 5: I don't know. 506 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: I'll ask you, Rob G. Can you look this up? 507 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: Has he ever gotten one vote for MVP? I'm serious? 508 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: In all these years he played in national football, I 509 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: don't think he's gotten actually one vote. 510 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 6: I wouldn't be surprised if he got maybe one one 511 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 6: of those years where he cars. 512 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: But I'm if I was a betting man right now, 513 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: I say he's never gotten even one MV. 514 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 5: That's possible. 515 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 6: So here so Matthew Stafford is one of those guys that, 516 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 6: again we've talked about in other sports, Kyrie Irving. You 517 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 6: mentioned Paul George, but I'll go Kyrie Irving one time champ. 518 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 6: But because of circumstances, it's gonna be hard to explain 519 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 6: his full story. 520 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 5: I give you another guy, but. 521 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: At least Kyrie had like a big shot in a 522 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: big moment, you know what I mean. 523 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 6: We know Kyrie is Kyrie, but it's gonna be hard 524 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 6: because you'll name so many other guys you'll put above 525 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 6: him that if you didn't really see it, you'll be 526 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 6: hard to explained. Now, Matthew Stafford, I think why people 527 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 6: love him, Why he's your favorite quarterbacks, favorite quarterback or 528 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 6: quarterbacks of the past. 529 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 5: They drool over him. 530 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 6: Offensive coordinator Sean McVay while he was like, we're not 531 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 6: gonna ride with Jared Goff's young guy, he believes, like, 532 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 6: get out of here. 533 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 5: We can get Matthew Stafford. The reason. There's a couple 534 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 5: of reasons why. 535 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 6: And sometimes I think in anything you want to go 536 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 6: where it could be music, it could be movies, there's 537 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,479 Speaker 6: an adoration that people have for somebody. Part of it 538 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 6: is their circumstances. And I think there's a lot of 539 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 6: people who look at Matthew Stafford, you know, the people 540 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 6: who study the game and know the game, they say, man, 541 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 6: if that guy was in place X or had the 542 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 6: same opportunities as Joe blow Man, what would he do? 543 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 6: He makes every throw and you know this, he his 544 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 6: arm angles and throws was ridiculous. He can throw a 545 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 6: ball up under overside ways, switch hand, left hand, no looks. 546 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 6: And he's big, he's strong, I mean, he's his big arm, 547 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 6: he's tough, he stays in games. And I think there's 548 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 6: a part of guys who watch him and say, man 549 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 6: if he was only in a Kyle Shanahan systems for 550 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 6: a decade, if he was only. 551 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 5: With Andy Reid. 552 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 6: Andy Reid got Kevin Cobb, made Kevin Cobb look like 553 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 6: a thing. He brought Michael Vick from prison to the 554 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 6: comeback Player of the Year. Now that they mcnav stayed 555 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 6: in and it's Jimmy super Bowl. 556 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 5: Who go to bad situations? 557 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,479 Speaker 1: Okay, Michael Jordan went to the Chicago Bulls that had 558 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: a terrible organization. Go look it up before he showed up. Okay, 559 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: really bad. They didn't won anything. Yeah, and Reggie Theas 560 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: and all those guys. And that's all I'm saying. There 561 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: are plenty of guys. Peyton Manning went to Indianapolis. I 562 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: could go on and on and on. Not the best situation, 563 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: not the best circumstance. You can't always use that for everybody. 564 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: There are people who changed the organization. Joe Burrow. They 565 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: could not win a playoff game him in Cincinnati, right, 566 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: people were saying, don't go to Cincinnati, Joe Burrow. You 567 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: don't deserve that. You deserve better. And what did he 568 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: do with second year to come to the super Bowl. 569 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to say is that he's That's why. 570 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: And Calvin Johnson and Domakan sue Nick fairly like they 571 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: had some players that are tough five defense to let 572 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: the year they lost to Dallas in the playoffs, go 573 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: look it up. 574 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 5: You remember that year was throwing humans around, Nick fair 575 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 5: remember that. But that year they had a really good defense. 576 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 6: So no, So the guys you named, I'm glad you 577 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 6: named them because Michael Jordan was just scoring a bunch 578 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,959 Speaker 6: of pointless points until he got Phil Jackson. Peyton Manning 579 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 6: was just throwing a bunch of touchdowns till he got 580 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 6: Tony Dungee and they created a team. And that's the 581 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 6: point people who watched Matthew Stafford say, man, if only 582 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 6: he had a situation that And I'm just telling. 583 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 5: You why people put him. 584 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 1: That he had no control of anything. But this is 585 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: where I'm gonna push back. It ain't the minute he 586 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: got the team, because they. 587 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 6: Had already had successful, they had already gone to the 588 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 6: Super Bowl. 589 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 5: And I'm gonna tell you this, and i want you 590 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 5: to go look it up. 591 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: If the what's that kid's name, Sequsskey Tart or whatever 592 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: his name is, Kurosky Tart, if he catches that interception 593 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: and the and the Rams lose that game, Matthew like 594 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: his narrative about Matthew Stafford is night and day, because 595 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: it was right on Q. Matthew Stafford through a game 596 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: winning touchdown in the Super Bowl and didn't get the 597 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVP. You know why because he had two 598 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: interceptions in that game as well. 599 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 5: And that's all I'm trying to tell you is that he's. 600 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: One play away, one play from being garbage. 601 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 5: One play we know we can one play it for 602 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 5: to death. We know that. 603 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 6: I'm telling you going back to making the change. This 604 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 6: is why I disagree with you on this one. Matthew 605 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 6: Stafford came into an ow to sixteen team and he 606 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 6: didn't eli manning it. He didn't should do her. Maybe 607 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 6: I won't go play there. He didn't do any of that. 608 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 6: Matthew Stafford embrace and I remember, obviously I'm watching his 609 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 6: fan I'm like, who are we gonna drive? And they 610 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 6: kept saying this kid out of Georgia, kid out of Georgia. 611 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 6: Matthew Stafford's a guy, kid out of Georgia. Matthew Stafn's 612 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 6: a guy. I'm like, all right, And anytime they would 613 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 6: ask him, the Lions have been futrid. The Lions sucked, 614 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 6: The Lions aren't good. It's been a bad organization. Why 615 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 6: would you want to go there? Why would you want 616 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 6: to go there? He said, I want to be a 617 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 6: part of the change. And for the most part they 618 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 6: were a team you had to beat with him. They 619 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 6: made the postseason a few times with him. They wasn't 620 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 6: doing that before him, And you know that you were there. 621 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 5: What do you mean they weren't doing that? 622 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 6: There was a long period where the Lions sucked and 623 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 6: didn't even make the postseason for a long time before 624 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 6: Matthew Stafford got there. 625 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: But this's so what I'm saying all the plu But 626 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: they were bad and they got a lot of great players. 627 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson, they had a first top pick for year 628 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: after year after. 629 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 6: One of them is no longer winning, Charles Rogers. They 630 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 6: were just picking people receiver at receive, William They're picking receiver. 631 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: And here's the other thing that doesn't bode well. Look 632 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: at the other guys, Matthew Stafford with the two Pro Bowls, 633 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: Derek Carr four, Andy Dalton three, Kirk Cousins four, and. 634 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 4: Every person. 635 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 6: You tell me if I'm wrong, you would take Matthew 636 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 6: Stafford out of everybody you just named. 637 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 5: No on that list would you take over? 638 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: And not at the time when they played, because there 639 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: were there's a lot of bad Matthew Stafford that I 640 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: was there every Sunday. I was there every Sunday. No, No, 641 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: you're doing it after the feeder. I'm it doesn't work 642 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: know in real time. No, it doesn't matter like Stafford. 643 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: You're looking at Matthew Stafford after Yes, you. 644 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 6: Are, dude, Matthew Stafford has been he has been your 645 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 6: favorite and now analyst and and Nalys says, break down 646 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 6: quarterback of the quarterbacks. 647 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 4: People love matt He threw a. 648 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: Ton of big interceptions again for us with the Lions, 649 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: Are you kidding? 650 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 6: I was watching he has in one season ever because 651 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 6: his teams were down because they weren't great, and he 652 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 6: found a way to get them back. Yeah, eight comebacks 653 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,479 Speaker 6: and win. You how players don't have that in their 654 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 6: tire fifteen. 655 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: But the problem is there were situations where they could 656 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: have beat Green Bay. The last game of the season 657 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: at home, he has a terrible game. I could go 658 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: and document all these games. There's a reason that people 659 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: went along with that nickname stat Pafford because most of 660 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: his stats came late. 661 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 5: They didn't come when the game was in flux. 662 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 6: I saw too many come back I watched all these games. 663 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 6: He won games they shouldn't have won. And that's why, 664 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,239 Speaker 6: like when they called him the cardiac Cats, because they 665 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 6: knew how to come back. 666 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 5: Look Matthew Stafford again. 667 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 6: I think the benefit he has is people say, if 668 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 6: you put him in a winning situation, what happened? He 669 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 6: got to one and he won that situation the postseason 670 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 6: and in the postseason with Sean mcv I know he's 671 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 6: five five is what he is. And un fon and 672 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 6: people saw him all right, he made a horrible futriit 673 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 6: franchise solid, they weren't great. He made them solid and 674 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 6: competitive for so long and then he goes to it. 675 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: They weren't competitive to me, I were They lost twenty 676 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: three twenty three straight road games when. 677 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 6: The same Matthew Stafford that had them in the postseason 678 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 6: handful of times, but I know a time. Never those 679 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 6: years three times Matthew Stafford to go to the playoffs 680 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 6: all the time, Barry Sanders, Wayne Fons, they went every 681 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 6: other year. 682 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 5: To the postseason. 683 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 6: And that stopped at about ninety ninety eight, and we 684 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 6: ain't go back to about what twenty eleven. 685 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 5: Literally, I think that's what it was.