1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Neither folks did. Is Friday, May thirtieth, the third week 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: of testimony in the Ditty trial is wrapping up today. 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ MTJ Holmes 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: alongside my partner Amy Roboch and we continue to be 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: your one stop shop to get you caught up on 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: everything going on in the Ditty trial day in and 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: day out and robes. I don't know how to keep 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: being surprised, shocked, horrified by what we hear. We've heard 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: so much already, but then another day now is in 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: the books. Were very important witness and here we go again. 11 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: We can't believe what we heard. 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: I know this witness in particular actually testified anonymously. She 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: went under the name or the pseudonym of Mia, but 14 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 2: she was one of Ditty's personal assistants who claims and 15 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: testified that she was raped and sexually assaulted by Ditty. 16 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: And she was up there weeping on the stand. And yeah, 17 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: to your point, you think you've heard it all. And 18 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: these witnesses are consistent the picture that they are painting, 19 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: the stories that are telling are all consistent with this 20 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 2: theme of Diddy being a horrifically violent and angry man 21 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: who did whatever he wanted to whommeever he wanted, when 22 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: he wanted, and it's just appalling if you're believing what 23 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: each of these witnesses are testifying to. They are painting 24 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 2: the picture of an evil, maniacal tyrant. 25 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: And we do have to give your heads up. Some 26 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: of the stuff you're going to hear in this episode 27 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: here quite disturbing and probably farther than we have gone 28 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: before in some of the stuff. But it's important for 29 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: to get the story across for what they were saying 30 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: on the stand. But rose to your point about we 31 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: have heard so much about freak coughs. You think you've 32 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: heard it all. This witness offered some more extra detail 33 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: that we were still like, Eh, we've heard so much. 34 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: And they're telling almost the same but they're coming from 35 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: different perspectives, they have different details, and each time they're 36 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: adding something to the story. But to your point, it's consistent. 37 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: The stories line up. 38 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: They really do, and they're all like each witness that 39 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 2: gets on the stand is corroborating what the witness before 40 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: them said and before them said, and then making it 41 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: feel and seem and appear to be even worse than 42 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: we originally thought so. 43 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yesterday, the day started with Deontae Nash on the 44 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: stand celebrity stylists who had been up on the stand 45 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: the day before, testifying to all kind of horrific things 46 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: he saw. But we were looking I say looking forward 47 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: to not in a pleasant way, but a lot of 48 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: people were highly anticipating the next witness that was going 49 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: to come up. We just mentioned her name, Mia, that's 50 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: all we know. But she's the former assistant to Ditty, 51 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: also a close friend to Cassie Ventura. Fine, this is 52 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: some of the most compelling stuff I have heard. It's 53 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: not just compelling robes in what she said, but how 54 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: a lot of court room observers described her demeanor and 55 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: how she talked up there. Yes, the crying and so 56 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: but they said she barely was able at times to 57 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: get above a whisper as she talked on the stand. 58 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 2: I saw that too, that that just spoke to It 59 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: was almost like it was hard to say it out loud, 60 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: so she had to say it softly in order to 61 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: get it out because it's powerful. 62 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: That's exactly when she did, is when she had to 63 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: describe yes, being allegedly raped by Sean Combs or get 64 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: into some of those details. But before they started this 65 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: was we told her like how she possibly testifying in 66 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: court anonymously, so she was sitting there everybody in the 67 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: court could see her. But the judge made pretty clear 68 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: early on how this was going to go, and he 69 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: gave them strict gave the court strict instructions. 70 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: At a time, there were to be no descriptions of 71 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: what Mia actually looked like. In fact, the courtroom sketch 72 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: artist drew a blank face. Now, the jurors did get 73 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: to know her name, so I think that's important to know. 74 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: She did put her name out there in the courtroom 75 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: and stood by what she was saying. But the entire 76 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: courtroom was instructed to not obviously repeat her name or 77 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 2: describe her in any way. 78 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: And she is critical. She is one of the ones 79 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: that the prosecution has built almost this entire case on. 80 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: She is an alleged victim of Sean Ditty Combs. She 81 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: spent some really robes intimate time with him. It sounds like, yes, 82 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: she said she kept an apartment here in New York, 83 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: but as his assistant and being someone he needed all 84 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: the time, she stayed at his homes with him, is 85 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: what she explained, and that is where I mean she 86 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: I think she even used countless times that assaults or 87 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: violence that she saw, but she described in particular robes 88 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: being at his house, a place where she said she 89 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to lock her door when she stayed there, 90 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: but she described an incident one day she was sleeping 91 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: there and she was awakened. 92 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 2: That's right. She says that Diddy, of course, yes forbade 93 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: her to lock her door in his home. So she 94 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,799 Speaker 2: says he came into the room, climbed on top of her, 95 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: penetrated her, and she said that she was quietly just 96 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 2: taking it and just let him do what he was 97 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 2: going to do, because she said she felt like she 98 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: was unable to say no. She said she feared retaliation. 99 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 2: This quote that she said, or this testimony that she gave, 100 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 2: was jarring to me. Even though she's describing the rape, 101 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 2: she's describing what happened. When she said this, it made 102 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 2: me feel sick. She said, I couldn't tell him no 103 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: about a sandwich. I couldn't tell him no about anything. 104 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: There was no way I could tell him no, because 105 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: then he would know that I thought what he was 106 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: doing was wrong. And then I would be a target. 107 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: I mean, some books will try to I mean, it's 108 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: tough to get your hand around. It's tough to understand. 109 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: We've done stories and many people, most people in this country, 110 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: are familiar or know someone in some way form of 111 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: fashion who's been probably a victim in some way of 112 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: sexual assault, sexual violence. 113 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: In some way. 114 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: It's always complex and to understand, well, why didn't she 115 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: just run, or why she didn't she just scream and 116 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: all these things. And this woman was explaining so much 117 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: of what was happening to her where she was asleep 118 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: in his house. The thing that woke her up, she said, 119 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: was the weight of someone on top of her. That 120 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: is how she woke up. And in that moment, she said, 121 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: she froze. He didn't say much of anything to her. Instead, 122 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: she said, he said, sh is how he was telling 123 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: her to behave. She said, she completely froze. He put 124 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: his hand down, took his mands off with one hand, 125 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: and put himself inside her. And she said she just 126 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: lay there and froze and didn't move. That's tough to hear, 127 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: and it's also tough to understand. But when she starts 128 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: to explain more of her story and that there is 129 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: fear that you must do what this man says. Are 130 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: you going to lose your job, You're going to lose 131 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: your career, You're gonna lose your future, and in some 132 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: cases you might lose your life. Is what these folks 133 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: describe being around this guy was. 134 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 2: I don't think it's hard to understand it all because 135 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: human beings either you either fight. You either fight or 136 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 2: you freeze. And the freezing thing I get as a woman, 137 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: I totally absolutely relate to that. And she described it 138 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: so chillingly, and she also talked about how that wasn't 139 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: the only time. I think she said it began in 140 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: her mid twenties when she started to work for him. 141 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: During one of his birthday parties, his fortieth birthday party 142 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: at the Plaza Hotel here in New York City, she 143 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: says Combs kissed her and put his hand up her 144 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: dress at the party, and she said she thought it 145 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: would never happen again, But then, of course, that incident 146 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: happened in that bedroom that she was staying at at 147 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: Ditty's house. But then she said another time she was 148 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: packing a back for him in his closet and he 149 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: came into the closet. She said, his penis was exposed. 150 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: She said, he grabbed her head and forced her to 151 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: give him oral sex um. 152 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: She described, And again, I don't know if you up 153 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: in front of you there, I kind of remember on 154 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: the top of my head how long she worked for him. 155 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: I think it was a matter of several years, if 156 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: I have this right. But she said every time there 157 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: was an assault, she saw it thought it was the 158 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: last time. It was interesting to hear her say when 159 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: any assault was over, alleged assault was over, she just 160 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: went back to business as usual, just went back to 161 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: doing her job, and everybody just went about doing things 162 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: the way they were. But it was crazy to hear 163 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: every time it happened. She said, Okay, it's not gonna 164 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: happen again. If it does happen again, I'm going to 165 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: be ready. I'm going to be prepared. But there was 166 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: so much time in between them, there was no rhyme 167 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 1: or reason. They were completely random. So the next time 168 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: what happened comes out of nowhere. She said. There was 169 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: just so much time and distance between the incidents that 170 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: you never knew when a way. 171 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: She would let her guard down. And by the way 172 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: she worked for Diddy for eight years, beginning in two 173 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: thousand and nine, and she said the highs were really 174 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: high and the lows were really low. And we've heard 175 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: that almost exact same sentiment repeated by other and says 176 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 2: who have taken the stand who have worked for Diddy. 177 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: But not only did she testify to sexual assaults, she 178 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 2: talked about what he physically assaulted her with. She said 179 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: he'd thrown her against the wall, he threw her into 180 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 2: a pool, he threw an ice bucket over her head, 181 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: He slammed her arm into a door. She talks about 182 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: how he threw a bowl of spaghetti at her head, 183 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: a computer at her head, WiFi went out right exactly 184 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: like for almost seemingly insignificant things or things she had 185 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 2: absolutely no control over. She would be suddenly the subject 186 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: of violence if he got pissed off. Basically, she also 187 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 2: said this, which I thought was just such an interesting thing, 188 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: and just get your head around where his head was. 189 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: She said, he could ask you to do seventeen thousand 190 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 2: things at one time that would range from cracking his 191 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: knuckles to writing his next movie to doing his taxes, 192 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: and he was all on a whim. You never knew 193 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: when a request was coming, but if you couldn't figure 194 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: out how to do it, you might be in trouble. 195 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: I think it was a prosecut that said, talk about 196 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: how difficult things were and how tough the environment was, 197 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: and asked her directly, well, what determined what the mood 198 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 1: was going to be like on a particular day. She said, 199 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: puff's mood that you just okay, let's see how he is. 200 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: And I think you and I have both worked with 201 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: people in this industry before, in news where every day 202 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: everybody is waiting to see what that person's mood is, 203 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: and then everybody in the studio has to walk on 204 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: eggshells depending on that person's mood. To think that this 205 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: is the person that you depend on for your life, 206 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: your money, your career, your everything. You're tiptoeing around just 207 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,479 Speaker 1: to see what the mood is. They describe a horrific 208 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: experience going on, and this young lady look I talking 209 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: about the experience of what she had. She actually she's testifying, Yes, sure, 210 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: she's compelled to testify. She says she wanted to die 211 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: with this information. She didn't want to ever have to 212 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: She was so ashamed and humiliated by what she had 213 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: gone through and what she had done and allowed to 214 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: happen to her to a certain degree that she did 215 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: not she had the plan of going to her grave 216 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: with never telling somebody else. 217 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 2: You know, the shame and guilt, And anyone who has 218 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: faced any sort of sexual assault or any kind of 219 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: abuse understands that shame and guilt are a part of it, 220 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: because you think to yourself, I could have done more, 221 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: I should have done more, I should have done this, 222 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 2: And not that you believe you deserved it, but you 223 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 2: believe that you could have done something to stop it 224 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: or change it. And that's part of the reason why 225 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: so many women and so many abuse victims never come forward. 226 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: So to even see her on the stand and admit 227 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 2: that and talk about these unthinkable, unspeakable acts, I really 228 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: have to give her and so many of the other 229 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: people who've gotten up on that witness stand and said 230 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: what they didn't want to say, and said what they 231 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: never intended to ever tell anyone else, and had to 232 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: do it in front of the world, with Ditty just 233 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 2: a few feet in front of them. I cannot imagine 234 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 2: what that was like. But she also described that part 235 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: of her job was to clean up and we've heard 236 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: this from other assistants who worked for him, either to 237 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 2: set up or to clean up hotel rooms after some 238 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 2: of these freak offs, and she describes the scenes, and 239 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 2: it was just jarring to hear what she said. She 240 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: had to clean up. 241 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: This is we've been hearing a lot about freak off, 242 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: to the point I don't want to hear anything else 243 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: about a freak off. But she's still giving this information. 244 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: She described what did she say, a nightmare? The rooms 245 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: looked like a nightmare when they were done. So we 246 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: talked previously about the hotel staff out in California. They 247 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: had a profile on Ditty, right, so when he was 248 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: staying there, they knew, all right, we're going to have 249 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: to close the whole place down for a little while 250 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: to clean. And that so places knew they'd have to 251 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: clean this. Mia came in to clean before the other 252 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: folks cleaned, because she had to pick up the little 253 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: things that need to be left behind any signs of 254 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: actual ditty, but oil and blood stains on the damn furniture. 255 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, the melted wax candles, you heard about that too, 256 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 2: But yet she just described just wet towels and blood 257 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: and urine and just fluids. I just I can't even 258 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: imagine being tasked with that. 259 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: Mister job, official job. This is part of her responsibility 260 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: and duties as an assistant to this guy is to 261 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: do that, according to her. So we I say, and 262 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: again the freak calls became the headline baby oil and 263 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: all this stuff. But we are hearing that's just nothing 264 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: about them. I mean that, you can't I don't want 265 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: to hear anybody crack another joke about baby oil and frankliness. 266 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: People even cracking jokes about this hearing this now, these 267 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: were horror shows for folks. Ugh, and this line came 268 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: out of it. Everybody it was understood. We always talking, 269 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: we've been talking ropes with when everybody say, it was 270 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: kind of an open secret. Yeah, everybody in the environment 271 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: knew what was going on. They knew it to a 272 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: point that they even had a common phrase they use 273 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: when they had to recover. When they knew that Diddy 274 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: and Cassie were in recovery after a freak off, they 275 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: just said, man down. And everybody understood those two are 276 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: going to need a couple of days. So all of 277 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: us are going to have to keep things running because 278 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: those two are recovering, just man down. 279 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 2: Get your head around that. Wow, that is really insane 280 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 2: to even think about. And then she also Mia also 281 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: testified about being with Cassie being on vacation in Turks 282 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: and Caicos, I believe, and Cassie came running out of 283 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 2: the hotel room begging Mia to help her, saying, you've 284 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 2: got to help me. He's going to kill me. 285 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: We've heard right in relation to Cassie, several accounts of 286 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: where this young lady feared for her life repeatedly, in 287 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: some cases where it sounded like she didn't care if 288 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: she lived or died, she just wanted to get out. 289 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: This is at least one scenario where a story we're 290 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: hearing where she was desperately trying to survive him night, 291 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: but they blockade. I mean, I see this. I've never 292 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: done this in real life, but they did it. They 293 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: she came into MIA's hotel room, she testified. Cazie comes 294 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: in there yelling scream, he's gonna kill me. Comes in 295 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: her home to close the door, and the two ladies 296 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: started barricading the door with furniture to try to I've 297 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: only seen a swear in horror movies. I swear the 298 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: only time I've seen that. I've never seen anybody or 299 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: heard him by doing that in real life to escape 300 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: a mad man that you think is gonna kill you. 301 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: This happens in real life in Turks and Kikos. 302 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 2: That you spend years with, that you continue to go 303 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: back to. That's just it. It's hard to get your 304 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: head around it. 305 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: Again. 306 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: I know, I keep saying that, but this is all, 307 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: like you said, like a horror movie. It doesn't feel 308 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: like this could possibly have actually happened. But yet we 309 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: have witness after witness testifying to the same sort of thing. 310 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: So yeah, they were able to run out the back, 311 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: I believe, and they actually were like looking for a 312 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: place to go to get away from him. They found paddleboards, 313 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: and they actually took the palace boards and went way 314 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: out into the ocean to get away from Ditty. According 315 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: to Mia, so they could barely even see the land 316 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 2: or the buildings, like that's how far out they were. 317 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 2: And then the weather started to turn and they realized 318 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: they might be in trouble with mother nature. And she 319 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 2: said that they actually had to make a decision what's worse, 320 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: facing Mother Nature or facing Ditty. That's wild that they 321 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: had to. They were in that position out in the 322 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 2: ocean with a storm brewing, and they felt safer there 323 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 2: than they did near Diddy. 324 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: That's I'm very much scared of the ocean right if 325 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: you get out too far. It's just intimidating one hundred 326 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: percent to think that was a safer place at the time. 327 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: Their on paddleboard, they're not a boat, they're not rome. 328 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: They're out there in the elements with nothing protecting them, 329 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: and that was a better option at the time. Jen 330 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: that this is all alleged incidents, but if some of 331 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: this stuff, if that's true, that that is another deep 332 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: die or another another way of a depth of context 333 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: of what these folks experienced in the world of Ditty. 334 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: That is insane to me that that took place. They eventually, yes, 335 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: they obviously had to go back. Mia was also the 336 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: one we've been talking so much about this story as well, 337 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: and again, as we say ropes corroboration, we've heard this 338 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: story told several times. The incident in which Ditty was 339 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: attacking Cassie and Deontae Nash, the stylist, and another woman 340 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: who was there we now know it was Mia literally 341 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: had to jump on his back to try to get 342 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: him off of her. She ends up with a gash 343 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: in her head. That incident, she described, she said, this 344 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: was the moment that she knew they were in real 345 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: danger from Ditty. Of all the other stuff she had seen, 346 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: she said, there was something about his eye. His eyes 347 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: were black. It's the second time we've heard that. Yes, 348 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: we've heard that. But she said, this was real fear 349 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: and real danger, she said, versus all the other incidents. 350 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 2: That's hard to imagine with everything she testified that she experienced, 351 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: and that she endured that that was the moment where 352 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 2: she felt like, actually her life, Cassie's life, Deontay's life 353 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 2: might all actually be threatened because of Ditty and his 354 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 2: rage and the black and his eyes. It's beyond scary 355 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 2: to think about. And speaking of Deonte, I found this 356 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 2: was interesting that Ditty's defense team was doing their best 357 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 2: to try and you know, just poke some holes in 358 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 2: what he was saying. And when they actually brought up 359 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 2: an instance when Deontay said he left a hotel room 360 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: because Colmbs wanted to invite a guy over, and so 361 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 2: the defense attorney said, hey, well then you must not 362 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: have been that concerned about Cassie's safety if you were 363 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 2: willing to leave the hotel room, and he said I 364 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 2: always did. I was always worried. And can you imagine 365 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 2: being in that inner circle, having a job and yet 366 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 2: knowing you couldn't say no to Diddy, and knowing that 367 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: when you left, you weren't sure if your friend was 368 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 2: going to be safe or not. That is what each 369 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 2: of these employees had to live with and are speaking 370 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 2: to that they were, yes, concerned for their own safety, 371 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: but always worried about Cassies when they left her alone. 372 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: We did get some updates as well from the court 373 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: as far as how this trial is going to go. 374 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: We've been talking Robes about the prosecution said they're right 375 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: on track and even in recent days said they're ahead 376 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: of schedule and thought they'd be done, maybe even a 377 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: week earlier than they thought they would be. Said they'd 378 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: be six weeks, maybe just five, and like, wow, they're 379 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: getting through this thing. Well, now the defense has said 380 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: they've changing things up. Apparently something that's taking place that 381 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: the defense is going to I don't want to say 382 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: fully changed strategy, but they say Robes they might need 383 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: some more time now. 384 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 2: So, yes, initially it was supposed to be eight weeks. 385 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 2: It looks like it's going to be at least eight 386 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 2: weeks to get through all of the testimony. And do 387 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 2: we have any idea, you know, there was early speculation. 388 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: I can't imagine that Diddy would take the stand, But 389 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: do we have any idea where Didty is going to 390 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 2: call up? Oh that did the stand to defend himself. 391 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: We don't have that list. But they're changing something around. 392 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: I wonder what it's going to look like. Very curious 393 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: to see what this is going to look like now 394 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: because they have a lot of information. Now they have 395 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: a lot to right. The defense gets to go second, 396 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: the prosecution will get to come back after that. But 397 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: they have now seen exactly what the strategy, if you will, 398 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: the prosecution is going to be. So they're changing potentially 399 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: defense strategy a little bit. And folks might be wondering, Mia, 400 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: we talk about domestic violence, We're talking about all these 401 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: assault but then people go away in a minute. He 402 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: starts with racketeering and prostitution, all these things. They say, 403 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: this is part of the legal experts will tell you 404 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: she is part of helping to build a case that 405 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: he had a criminal enterprise because forced labor. There's just 406 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: specific legalities in there to where her story now applies 407 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: to this racketeering charge of an idea of he's forcing 408 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: labor up on someone. That's just a technical legal thing 409 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: to prove, but it is a part of why they 410 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: needed to hear her story. 411 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, she said she once worked for five days without sleep. 412 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: She said her vision was blurring. She said she burst 413 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 2: into tears and that was the only point at which 414 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 2: did he let her take a break and be off 415 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 2: the clock. But by the way, with all that we 416 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: just described, all of this that she claims she endured. 417 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 2: She said her base salary was fifty thousand dollars a year. 418 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 2: Think about that, fifty thousand dollars a year to work 419 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: endlessly and to be working under those types of conditions, 420 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 2: did he people? 421 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: There was a time in the nineties people would have done, 422 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: in Emmy two thousands anything to get into that world. 423 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: They were on top of the world. 424 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: They just didn't know what that world actually was until 425 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 2: they were in it. 426 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: And now here we are, we're all finding out that 427 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 1: all of that means music, all of those videos, all 428 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: that stuff you love, all of those shows you watch. 429 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: Every time you clapped when he was on stage, every 430 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: time you saw him walk down a red carpet. Everything 431 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: looks different now and that just sucks. Mia is going 432 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: to be back on the stand today this morning. She 433 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: don't know how long. It's possible she could be up 434 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: there for quite a while today. The cross examination has 435 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: it even started, no with her, so you know, the 436 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: defense is really going to probably take some go after her. 437 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: So again, folks said, this one's a little more details. 438 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: Why sometimes we've left some things out, but some of 439 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: these details were horrific. But it was important to share 440 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: her story and that's why we did it. 441 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 2: And we will continue to share all of the stories 442 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 2: that we hear on the stand each and every day. 443 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 2: So we appreciate you listening here while we try to 444 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: sum up what is happening in that courtroom just a 445 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 2: few blocks from where we're recording this right now. But 446 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 2: we hope you have a wonderful day and a great weekend. Everyone, 447 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. 448 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: They do think