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Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher

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Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to the Herd. It's a lovely Thursday

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Speaker 3: in sunny and warm Los Angeles. Yep, we got the

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Speaker 3: heat wave out here. Sorry to those of you dealing

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Speaker 3: with cold March weather. We don't know what that's like.

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Speaker 3: And it's not just the weather that's hot in LA.

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Speaker 3: It's the Lakers. Oh my goodness, or is the kids

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Speaker 3: like to say, oh MG, Welcome to the Herd. It's

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Speaker 3: me Jason McIntyre in for vacationing Colin Cowherd. He's now

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Speaker 3: cutting me off, won't talk to me because the Lakers

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Speaker 3: are so hot, and he knows he's got to come

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Speaker 3: back and do We're Colin was wrong seventeen times on

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Speaker 3: the LA Lakers. I'm joined today by Rachel Nichols. Listen

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Speaker 3: We had a spirited morning meeting. Rachel. I know you're

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Speaker 3: fired up obviously NCAA tournament, but the Lakers are the

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Speaker 3: big story. We got Janis Janis. Yeah, there's a lot

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Speaker 3: going on right now. There is a lot happening. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna get to Jannis at a moment, but I need

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Speaker 3: to start with the Lakers and their win last night

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Speaker 3: over the Rockets. They go to Houston this week, sweep

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Speaker 3: the Rockets with two dominant fourth quarters Monday. It was

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Speaker 3: defensively okay, remember the blitzing, the pressing of Kevin Durant Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: It was offense and it was a Luka danciech talking spicy.

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Speaker 3: Did you hear him? That's what I'm bleeping do to

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Speaker 3: the crowd in Houston after just taking over Luca was sensacio. Now,

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Speaker 3: as they say in soccer, folks, I'm just telling you.

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Speaker 3: I know people like to say always overweight, he's not dunking.

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Speaker 3: Are you watching basketball? Why are we doubting this guy?

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Speaker 3: The highlight reel from last night alone, the alley oops

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Speaker 3: eight Ruey Lebron. It was incredible and it the Lakers'

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Speaker 3: performance overall made three things. Look at this job, Look

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Speaker 3: he's making Jabari Smid dance, poor guy, and then he's

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Speaker 3: looking at the crowd saying, that's what I do. I'm

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Speaker 3: just telling you, if you don't like the Don Luca,

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Speaker 3: you got problems. This guy is one of the best

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Speaker 3: shows in the league. And what he showed me last

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Speaker 3: night in the Lakers Three things are very obvious.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Number one, the Lakers are contenders, serious title contenders. The

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Speaker 3: round mound of rebound, who just last weekend was out.

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, they're not gonna I think you got to

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Speaker 3: change your two. When you could take down New York, Minnesota,

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Speaker 3: Denver and sweep Houston on the road. Peaking matters more

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Speaker 3: in March than it does in January and December. The

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Speaker 3: Lakers are hot right now. That's clear Number one. Number

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Speaker 3: two is Lebron James has fit into the role JJ

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Speaker 3: Reddick put him in. They had some come to Jesus discussion.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure it's going to come out later on about

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Speaker 3: what went down, but look at this hot streak. The

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Speaker 3: Lakers are on fire. Lebron's doing everything right. He had

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Speaker 3: an amazing game last night, thirteen or fourteen six dunks,

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Speaker 3: the most he's had in a game since twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 3: We'll give Lebron his own segment shortly. But I think

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Speaker 3: my big picture takeaway watching this team gel or coalesce.

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Speaker 3: As reddis likes to say, I think it's very clear,

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Speaker 3: guys that I would rather face OKC in the second

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Speaker 3: round than the San Antonio Spurs. The Spurs terrified me. Okay,

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Speaker 3: they are downright scary. Oka see really really good defending champs.

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Speaker 3: But right now, the way the Lakers are playing, as

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Speaker 3: you hear JJ Reddick here, I'm not afraid of the thunder.

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Speaker 3: Here's Reddick on the Lakers hot streak.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of things that are really good right now. Again,

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Speaker 5: I talked about it before the game, just high level

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Speaker 5: of people embracing the roles that the team needs. I

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Speaker 5: think our guys are doing a fantastic job of making

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Speaker 4: Couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: It's just so smart. Gotta love JJ Reddick. And let's

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Speaker 3: be real, it's not just Lebron who's bought in DeAndre Ayton.

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Speaker 3: I think he's going to remove his nickname of dominating,

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Speaker 3: which is goofy. You don't dominate anything, Okay, you get

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Speaker 3: You know, You're not out here looking for some big contracts.

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Speaker 3: Stop trying. Let Luca cook. I mean, Austin Reeves was

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Speaker 3: terrible the last two games, and the Lakers won handily.

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Speaker 3: And I look at this potential opponent, you know, everybody

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Speaker 3: all the thunder or terrifying. Yes, they won the title

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Speaker 3: last year. Do I need to remind you guys how

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Speaker 3: they did because against it Den Aaron Gordon was on

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Speaker 3: you face the Pacers in the finals, and Game seven

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Speaker 3: was looking scary early and then Tyrese Haliburton goes down

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Speaker 3: asterisk by their title. It's not like the Raptors. Remember

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Speaker 3: when the Raptors beat the Warriors because KD was down

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Speaker 3: and Clay was down. Like, that's different. This OKAC team

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Speaker 3: Keseon Wallace, Yeah, really nice, Caruso, nice dude, Lou Dort.

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Speaker 3: Here's the problem. They're so deep. OKAC runs like twelve deep.

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Speaker 3: They're a great regular season team, a bunch of young

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Speaker 3: guys who are tryhards. They run NonStop. But here's the problem.

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Speaker 3: You start looking at the postseason and there's a great

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Speaker 3: pat Riley quote. You play eight and you trust seven.

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Speaker 3: You're not playing twelve or even ten guys in a

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Speaker 3: playoff series. It's too high level. The minutes matter. You're

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Speaker 3: So like Mitchell, who's a really nice player, Jared McCain, Wiggins,

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Speaker 3: I like the Lakers matchup against the Thunder, and you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to sell the staff guys, I'm terrified of

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Speaker 3: whom ben Yama. There is no matchup for him anywhere

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Speaker 3: Min Yama. I was like fifth row when wem Benyama

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Speaker 3: went for like twenty eight points in the first quarter

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Speaker 3: but they got humiliated. There are there's no zone defense.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna stop Wemby. He's unstoppable. And you look at

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Speaker 3: young defender in the league. I do not want Luca

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Speaker 3: he's fine, but we know he's a cheap shout artist

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Speaker 3: getting thrown out of games doing dirty stuff. Lucas had

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Speaker 3: I need to remind you guys, the last team and

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Speaker 3: Luka Doncicz with the Dallas Mavericks two years ago.

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Speaker 3: Luca averaged a nice twenty four, ten and eight in

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Speaker 3: that series, Utterly dominant and guess what else happened. All

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Speaker 3: the role players on Dallas fit perfectly. Everybody did their role.

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Speaker 3: I think the Lakers could do that. And honestly, if

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Speaker 3: you don't think the Lakers are at least a major

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Speaker 3: contender to come out of the West, you haven't been

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Speaker 3: watching the basketball close enough. All right, I want to

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Speaker 3: little troubling. You could see this coming from a mile away,

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Speaker 3: but reports surface yesterday that Yanis and the Milwaukee Bucks

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Speaker 3: are kind of sort of beefing. And I'm looking for

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Speaker 3: the exact quote here because it's a little clunky when

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Speaker 3: it comes out on social media and you start to wonder, well,

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Speaker 3: is just coming from Yannis. I'm gonna read it to you.

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Speaker 3: The Bucks want Yannas shut down for the remainder of

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Speaker 3: been paying attention the Bucks, who haven't out of the

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Speaker 3: first round in the last three years, Yiannis keeps getting injured.

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Speaker 3: Not great for a guy who's thirty one years old.

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Speaker 3: The team's playoff chances dwindled, but Attenakoumpo has refused the

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Speaker 3: team's requests and wants to play. Why you're hurt you're

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Speaker 3: not making the playoffs, but Giannis wants to play. It

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Speaker 3: gets better, folks. There have been multiple meetings over Attenekupo's

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Speaker 3: extended me and a disagreement has ensued between the sides

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Speaker 3: of the belief and feel free to disagree that this

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Speaker 3: Yannis is trying to come out not looking like the

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Speaker 3: set up shop and want a title. But it's looking

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Speaker 3: increasingly like that's gonna be the case, folks. I'm just

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Speaker 3: gonna break it down for you pretty easily, Okay. Richel

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Speaker 3: especially in this draft. Milwaukee sitting at twenty eight and

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Speaker 3: But Dallas is twenty three and forty seven, only five

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Speaker 3: not good with him right now. I think they're two

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Speaker 3: with him. They're horrific without him. So you can triple

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Speaker 3: almost trip well your chances from thirteen to thirty seven

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Speaker 3: They could score. You see it on the screen. Without him,

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Speaker 3: Jaren Jackson's hurt and they give up one hundred and

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Speaker 3: forty seven to the Timberwolves without Anthony Edwards. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: they're trying not to win games because they want another

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Speaker 3: good pick. The Bucks should be doing that. So why

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Speaker 3: the hell is Giannis insisting I want to come back

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Speaker 3: the Bucks don't want him to play. Do you remember

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Speaker 3: what just went down with Max Crosby and the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: They wanted to tank for Fernando Mendoza, so they tried

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Speaker 3: He went and posted a video on Instagram with him

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Speaker 3: Why isn't he out there now? He obviously was injured,

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Speaker 3: On The Herd, Hey, Albert breerfloated something fascinating on Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 3: So Albert Rereer came on the show yesterday and we

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Speaker 3: Then he goes back to Cleveland. Now, can he play

425
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Speaker 3: with Kyrie Irving, a bold, dominant point guard. Yeah, they

426
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Speaker 3: took down the seventy three win Warriors in the finals.

427
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Speaker 3: Then he goes to the Lakers Anthony Davis. Can they

428
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Speaker 3: work together? I mean, two ball stoppers, two non shooters,

429
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Speaker 3: yet win a title in the bubble. At some point,

430
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Speaker 3: we've got to get wise and be like, dude, why

431
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Speaker 3: on earth are we doubting this guy? Why all he

432
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Speaker 3: does is deliver all the freaking time. It's like with

433
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Speaker 3: Nicola jokicch and Denver, Well, he's kind of doweye. He's

434
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Speaker 3: not athletic. He's just a great freaking basketball player. And

435
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Speaker 3: we see this in sports all the time. I mean,

436
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Speaker 3: our next guest is in Denver, and like John Elway

437
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Speaker 3: could not win the Super Bowl for the longest time,

438
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Speaker 3: then he couldn't get back to the Super Bowl. Then

439
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Speaker 3: it's like, oh, is he that good? And then he

440
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Speaker 3: went to the Super Bowl a couple times late and delivered, Like,

441
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Speaker 3: stop doubting superstars. They got where they are because they're

442
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Speaker 3: special players, special athletes, a different makeup.

443
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Speaker 4: You're just built different.

444
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Speaker 3: All right, Let's get to our guest Fox Sports NFL

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Speaker 3: analyst Mark Schlaret. I've worked with him many many years.

446
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Speaker 3: The guy has to be super excited right now about

447
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Speaker 3: his Denver Broncos. Where are you right now, Mario? That

448
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 3: is a nice setup.

449
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Speaker 4: I'm you know what, I'm Jason right now.

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Speaker 8: I'm at the UH at the studio, just in a

451
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Speaker 8: conference room at the studios that I work at in

452
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Speaker 8: Denver Radio.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, looks sweet. So Denver's very excited right now, huh.

454
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Speaker 3: I mean goodness, gracious, Jalen Waddle for nothing.

455
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Speaker 8: Like it went from it went from this, this panic

456
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Speaker 8: stricken like the only the only players that we had

457
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Speaker 8: signed were our own players in free agency, and the

458
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Speaker 8: Denver bro i mean Broncos country was just beside themselves,

459
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Speaker 8: like we're not going to participate in free agency, and

460
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Speaker 8: like we need a weapon and we haven't addressed anything,

461
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Speaker 8: and we don't think our players are all that good,

462
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Speaker 8: although this roster is exceptional, but I will agree with

463
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Speaker 8: the panic Broncos Country that.

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Speaker 4: We needed a weapon.

465
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Speaker 8: We needed somebody in the offensive passing game to take

466
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Speaker 8: some pressure off of Bonnicks that Bonnicks can really play

467
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Speaker 8: with and get excited about. And the thing about Jaylen

468
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Speaker 8: Wadel is he's a guy that can lift the top

469
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Speaker 8: of coverage. He'll run every route on the road tree,

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Speaker 8: He'll run the in cutting routes.

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Speaker 4: Catch the ball.

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Speaker 8: He can catch it, you know, at eight yards and

473
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Speaker 8: take it eighty. He's that type of player and that's

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Speaker 8: what he does. He's a phenomenal football player, a great kid,

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Speaker 8: who fishs the culture of the Denver Broncos, hard worker,

476
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Speaker 8: all those things.

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Speaker 4: And I tell you, I tell you.

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Speaker 8: He's also a guy that's smart that can play every position.

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Speaker 8: So he can play, Hey, if Courtland Sutton's out, he

480
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 8: can play the X. If they want to put him

481
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Speaker 8: at the Z receiver, you know, the strong side receiver,

482
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Speaker 8: he can play that receiver. He can motion down and

483
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Speaker 8: play in the slot, so he can do everything. He's

484
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Speaker 8: an exceptional athlete. And I really think this is the

485
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Speaker 8: one boy the Broncos were really missing that really helps

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Speaker 8: them out in their passing game.

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Speaker 3: Interesting. So I don't want to get too excited about

488
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Speaker 3: your Broncos, but I'm going through the depth chart secondary

489
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Speaker 3: stacked linebackers are very good. Defensive line line, offensive line excellent,

490
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Speaker 3: you know, offensive lines as well as anybody. I don't

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Speaker 3: see a discernible weakness on this team. If you had

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Speaker 3: to identify a position group, where is the weakness mark Well.

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Speaker 4: I would say versatility that end position.

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Speaker 8: They have a guy they named Troutman who you know

495
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Speaker 8: if he's in in base formation, and when I talk

496
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Speaker 8: about base in the NFL, like bases first and ten

497
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Speaker 8: for me, or second down and five minus, if Troutman

498
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Speaker 8: is in there, it's probably I did an eight down

499
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Speaker 8: break at breakdown of him and just his targets over

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Speaker 8: the season, and an a game breakdown. There's probably and

501
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Speaker 8: this off the top of my head just watching all

502
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Speaker 8: the film, about an eighty percent chance that they're going

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Speaker 8: to run the ball when he's in for Ingram, it's

504
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Speaker 8: exactly the opposite. If he's in on first and ten

505
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Speaker 8: or second down in five minus, there's probably about an

506
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Speaker 8: eighty percent chance they're throwing the ball. So to have

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Speaker 8: that guy that's got duality, the guy that's got the

508
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Speaker 8: versatility to line up and you have to decide as

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Speaker 8: a defense, hey man, they're gonna throw the ball, or

510
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Speaker 8: they're gonna pass, they're gonna throw.

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Speaker 4: The ball, they're gonna run the ball.

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Speaker 8: Should we play them in nickel or should we play

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Speaker 8: them in base? Like that's a big thing. And that's

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Speaker 8: a weakness for me with the Broncos right now at

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Speaker 8: that tight end position.

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Speaker 4: And then the health of your running back. JK.

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Speaker 8: Dobbins is phenomenal, but he's phenomenal for about eight or

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Speaker 8: nine games a season.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 8: And so and I did not think that R. J.

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Speaker 8: Harvey as good as he was in his rookie year.

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Speaker 8: I did not think that he was in every down

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Speaker 8: like a first and second down back. He excelled in

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Speaker 8: third down situations. In my mind, So, do you have

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Speaker 8: enough in your backfield to feel confident about your team?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I just was thinking. Listen to you talk. So

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Speaker 3: you didn't mention bot Nicks as a potential week I

528
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Speaker 3: don't think he's a weakness. But I do recall at

529
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Speaker 3: when he got injured. I think there was something where

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Speaker 3: Sean Payton was like, yeah, you know he was bound

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Speaker 3: to get hurt given the injury, and then bo Nicks

532
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Speaker 3: called a press conference or maybe called into yourself. I

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Speaker 3: don't remember what it was, but bo Nick's essentially was like, no,

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Speaker 3: he's wrong. Was there any brief offseason squabble between those

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Speaker 3: two or am I making stuff up? No?

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Speaker 8: I think there's I mean, I think the way Sean coaches,

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Speaker 8: there's always a little bit of tension. I think it's

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Speaker 8: one of the reasons they went to Davis Webb as

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Speaker 8: the new offensive play caller is because that was the

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Speaker 8: quarterbacks coach. There's a combination and a reflection there, and

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Speaker 8: I think sometimes Sean looks at it and says, maybe

542
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Speaker 8: I'm a little bit too close and I need to step.

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Speaker 4: Back a little bit.

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Speaker 8: And I think there's part of it also that I

545
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Speaker 8: think Sean looking back on and I don't know, I

546
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Speaker 8: haven't talked to him about this, but Sean looking back

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Speaker 8: on that AFC Championship game, I bet you he sits

548
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Speaker 8: there and goes, if I wasn't such a competitive play caller,

549
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Speaker 8: and I wasn't calling the plays on that fourth down

550
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Speaker 8: and one, if I was, just if I just had

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Speaker 8: that thirty thousand foot view, I probably would have kicked

552
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Speaker 8: that field goal. Yeah, And I think if we kicked

553
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Speaker 8: that field goal, we go up ten to nothing. Remember

554
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Speaker 8: the time New England had twelve plays and twelve total

555
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Speaker 8: yards in that game and a snowstorm was coming.

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Speaker 4: And I think you look back on that.

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Speaker 8: And say, maybe I would have been a better decision

558
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Speaker 8: maker had I been to CEO as opposed to the

559
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Speaker 8: CEO slash play caller.

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Speaker 3: This is why we have you on. That's a great take.

561
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Speaker 3: I hadn't heard that anywhere. I like that. All right,

562
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Speaker 3: let's look at the macro stuff around the league. Let's

563
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Speaker 3: start with well, let's see the Max Crosby stuff. When

564
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Speaker 3: you first heard that the Ravens backed out a had

565
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Speaker 3: you ever experienced anything like that or heard of a

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Speaker 3: move where you signed somebody big trade FANFAREH, No, we

567
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Speaker 3: don't want them. That seemed kind of shocking and it

568
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Speaker 3: was a bad look for the Ravens Or is that over?

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Speaker 4: It wasn't. No, it was a bad look. And listen man.

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Speaker 8: I did an extensive breakdown on my podcast to get

571
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 8: True podcasts about I failed three physicals in a row

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Speaker 8: in nineteen ninety after the ninety four season, ninety five

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Speaker 8: going into nineteen ninety five, and I failed in Chicago,

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Speaker 8: I failed in Indianapolis. I felt in Atlanta where the

575
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Speaker 8: doctor in Atlanta told me I had the left knee

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Speaker 8: of an eighty year old woman and didn't believe that

577
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Speaker 8: I played in the National Football League.

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Speaker 4: That's exact quote. That's a quote.

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Speaker 8: And then I went to Denver and I literally could

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Speaker 8: have made fart noises with my armpit and they were

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Speaker 8: going to pass me. And I find out later that

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Speaker 8: Mike Shanahan just said, hey, man, I want this guy's

583
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Speaker 8: a great player, and he passes the physical regardless.

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Speaker 4: So now think about.

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Speaker 8: This, huh, that same knee at that point, that same

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Speaker 8: knee that failed three physicals when I went in for

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Speaker 8: in the line of duty disability after I retired in

588
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Speaker 8: two thousand and one, that knee at that point, I

589
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Speaker 8: think it had.

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Speaker 4: Six surgeries on it.

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Speaker 8: After that point, another six years in the league, other

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Speaker 8: six years of wear and tear, I had another nine

593
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Speaker 8: surgeries on that knee in particular right, so fifteen total

594
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Speaker 8: surgeries on that knee. And I went into a physical

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Speaker 8: with the NFL doctors, and the first one I took

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Speaker 8: they did not pass me as being disabled enough to

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Speaker 8: collect in.

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Speaker 4: The line of due to disability.

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Speaker 8: So meaning from another six years and another nine surgeries,

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Speaker 8: the knee that failed three.

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Speaker 4: Physicals and it failed the physical in San Diego in

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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety seven as well.

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Speaker 8: The knee that failed four physicals wasn't disabled enough.

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Speaker 4: To get the benefit from the NFL.

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Speaker 8: So the reason I tell you all that is because

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Speaker 8: if Trey Hendrickson isn't available, if Trey Hendrickson signs in

607
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Speaker 8: Indianapolis or he signs for forty million dollars and he's

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Speaker 8: not available, MaTx Crosby passes that physical. That's what I believe.

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Speaker 8: That's how it works. And so you've given yourself it

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Speaker 8: out and you took the out, and I get it.

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Speaker 4: You can do it. It's a bad lead, it's a

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00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 4: bad look.

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Speaker 8: But you didn't all of a sudden like you didn't

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Speaker 8: all of a sudden Max Crosby come in there and

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Speaker 8: all of a sudden your doctors go, did you guys

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Speaker 8: know he had surgery?

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Speaker 4: We didn't know. He just cut off crutches. We have

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Speaker 4: no idea.

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Speaker 8: There is always going to be degenerative changes in any joint.

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Speaker 8: If you play in the NFL, you can have the

621
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Speaker 8: most pristine career and never been heard, and you will

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Speaker 8: have arthritic degenerative changes in every joint in your body

623
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Speaker 8: because you play in the National Football League.

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Speaker 4: That's just the way it is. They backed out of

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Speaker 4: a deal because they.

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Speaker 8: Have an opportunity to back out of a deal, and like,

627
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Speaker 8: look at man, that's their prerogative.

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Speaker 4: That's how the rules work. But like you said, it's

629
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Speaker 4: a really bad look.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, let's go to Kyler Murray. I was kind

631
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Speaker 3: of sort of stunned that the Minnesota Vikings make it

632
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Speaker 3: sound like some of these reports that he's going to

633
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Speaker 3: be the guy in Minnesota. But Mark, my question is,

634
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Speaker 3: once the Cardinals tried to trade Kyler no takers, Fine, okay,

635
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: they cut him no takers, but Minnesota thinks he's a

636
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Speaker 3: starter over JJ McCarthy. What are your thoughts on on

637
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray going to Minnesota.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think he I think he is a starter

639
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Speaker 8: over McCarthy and what we've seen here in recent years.

640
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 8: You can go to Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield was playing

641
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Speaker 8: scout team defensive end for the Carolina Panthers, gets cut,

642
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Speaker 8: goes to the Rams for a couple of weeks, has

643
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Speaker 8: a game against the Broncos where it hangs fifty on him,

644
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 8: has this quarterback rehabilitation process, Goes to Tampa and has

645
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 8: been great right. I mean he does that, So you

646
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 8: got that aspect. Then you're talking about a guy like

647
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 8: Damn Darnold who turns down other teams to go to

648
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 8: San Francisco to have that opportunity to go to quarterback

649
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 8: Reh goes to Minnesota, plays exceptionally well, then wins the

650
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 8: Super Bowl last year.

651
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 4: Right now, all of a sudden, you've had.

652
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 8: This, Hey MATC Jones going to San Francisco and playing

653
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 8: exceptionally well under Kyle.

654
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 4: Shanahan last year.

655
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 8: That was so you look at Kyler and say, hey, man,

656
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 8: if we can get Kyler to play within the system.

657
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 4: The problem with.

658
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 8: Kyler Murray and I've done a lot of Arizona games

659
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 8: that he's in love with the sizzle more than he

660
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 8: is the stake to be a great quarterback in the

661
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 8: National Football League, it's not about putting up highlights for

662
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 8: Fox or for ESPN or whatever. It's about falling in

663
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 8: love with the boring. And until he learns to fall

664
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 8: in love with the boring, he's always going to be

665
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 8: one of those guys that puts up unbelievable highlights and

666
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 8: loses games.

667
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 4: That's who he is until he learns to do that.

668
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 3: Jason but you're in those meetings with Kevin O'Connell when

669
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: you call games. I thought he was more of an

670
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 3: I need my guy on script. I don't want you

671
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: running around like a shack him with your head cut off,

672
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: just trying to make plays. So that's the only reason

673
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 3: I'm still like McCarthy's a pocket guy. He can scramble,

674
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 3: but I feel like he wants to go pocket first.

675
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 3: Do you think Kyler can be a pocket first guy.

676
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 8: I think Kyler has to have a moment of humility

677
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 8: and self reflection where he says, man, I make a

678
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 8: lot of really big plays and it looks really cool,

679
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 8: but ultimately it doesn't win. That doesn't win the NFL. Hey, listen,

680
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 8: when you're playing off script. I always say the NFL

681
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 8: is a seventy thirty rule league. Seventy percent of the time.

682
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 8: You got to be on script thirty percent of time.

683
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 8: When things break down, you got to.

684
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 4: Make a play.

685
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 8: But your default mechanism, Jason has got to be from

686
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 8: the neck up, not the neck down, because what ends

687
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 8: up happening is you'll make two or three big plays

688
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 8: and they're remarkable, they're spectacular, but you'll take four sacks.

689
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 8: You'll fumble the ball and you'll throw an interception, and

690
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 8: at the end of the day, you've got a highlight

691
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 8: reel that's exceptional that nobody can match.

692
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 4: Like you lost twenty seven to twenty three.

693
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 8: Right, that's the way these things go down, and that's

694
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 8: what he has to learn. Can Kevin O'Connell and the

695
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 8: Minnesota Vikings convince him that that's the way he's got

696
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 8: to play. I've seen him do it. I know he's capable.

697
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 8: Will he that's my question?

698
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 3: Can you teach an old dog nu tricks? I'm gonna

699
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: go ahead and say no, I forgot when I talked

700
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: about the Dolphins Raight for Waddle. Malik Willis goes to Miami.

701
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 3: Within a week they trade Jalen Waddle. Mark, I'm gonna

702
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 3: read to you Malik Willis's first chance to be a starter. Right,

703
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 3: these are the receivers that Dolphins gave him, Malik Washington,

704
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 3: Jalen Tolbert to too out well, THEO why's Theowize Junior,

705
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 3: Taj Washington. He's gonna have no chance to win there

706
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: or have any success. I mean, do you think he's

707
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 3: got buyer's remorse? I know he got paid, so he

708
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 3: probably doesn't care.

709
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 8: But now I think there's a rebuilding process that's going

710
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 8: on here in Miami.

711
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 4: Listen, man, Miami is.

712
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 8: One of the toughest places in the National Football League

713
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 8: to win because just the culture of Miami. You know,

714
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 8: you know when Mike McDaniel went there to when he

715
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 8: went there to coach, like he goes as football nerd.

716
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 4: He comes out as you know, crocking tubs, you.

717
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 8: Know, with the you know, obviously he's got the Kulotte pants,

718
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,479
Speaker 8: the pedal pusher pants. You know, he's got the big

719
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 8: glasses and the whole nine yard. Like there's a cultural

720
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 8: thing there. It's just hard to win. And I always

721
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 8: say this, man, you get late in the season and

722
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 8: it's like your coaches are up your can, right, they're

723
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 8: on you. You just lost a game. It's miserable, you're

724
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 8: grinding through the tape. Everybody's just angry and pissed off.

725
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 8: You go home, right, and it's raining out and it's nasty,

726
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 8: and you come back and you just got to do

727
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 8: anything you can to get that victory. In Miami, all

728
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 8: those things are true. And then you walk out of

729
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 8: the facility in its beautiful sunshine. You go, let's go

730
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 8: down to the beach and get Margarita's. You know, life

731
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 8: is great, it's just hard culturally to win there.

732
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 4: You got to get the right type of players.

733
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 8: You got to get guys who love the game, who

734
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 8: are intrinsively motivated and not out, you know, trying to

735
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 8: be part of the Miami scene.

736
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we'll wrap up Mark real quick, because

737
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: you will. We work at Fox. We're contractually obligated to

738
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: ask you about Aaron Rodgers, who is either on a

739
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: darkness retreat or doing iyahuasca somewhere in Bali. Right now,

740
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 3: we don't know, first of all, what's your interest level

741
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: in Aaron Rodgers? And be should the Steelers even want

742
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 3: and back or do they say, let's reboot on the

743
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 3: cheap guy? Will Howard see what we've got and if

744
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 3: we don't have anything, we draft a quarterback next year

745
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: start over?

746
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, listen, man, he played pretty well last year all

747
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 8: things considered. He's still pretty He's still yeah. But I

748
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 8: mean I think you look at it, like, would you

749
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 8: rather Kirk Cousins or Aaron Rodgers? Like if it comes

750
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 8: down to those two guys and you, is there still

751
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 8: a trade available? Is mac Jones is Matt Jones, like,

752
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 8: would that be a part of a trade Listen, I

753
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 8: personally feel like at this particular point, you know, there's

754
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 8: there's this sliding scale of justice, and you know, when

755
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 8: you are so exceptional, I mean, he had twenty seven

756
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 8: tds versus I think seven interceptions something of that nature.

757
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 8: But there's like, when you're so exceptional, you'll put up

758
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 8: with the isahuasca. You know, I've got a wife, but

759
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 8: nobody's ever met her. You know, you'll put up with

760
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 8: with all the stuff. Yes, And I'm a I'm an

761
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,479
Speaker 8: Aaron Rodgers lover, but I think at some point it's

762
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 8: time to move on. And I think abo Pittsburgh, I

763
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 8: am ready to say, hey, man, see you around sometimes.

764
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 4: Now.

765
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 8: The one thing is McCarthy there is interesting to me

766
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 8: because they have worked and they've won a Super Bowl together.

767
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 8: That's that that's the interesting dynamic. Can you get Aaron

768
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 8: to play, you know, Aaron Rodgers football, and can you

769
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 8: run the ball and take some pressure off of him

770
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 8: for some of.

771
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 4: The things he doesn't do as well as he used to.

772
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm kind of with you. I would

773
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 3: move on. It's just a headache. Kirk Cousins.

774
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 8: I don't know.

775
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 3: When you were a single guy, you like low maintenance women. Right,

776
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: It's like I don't. I don't need the high maintenance.

777
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers is high maintenance Kirk Cousins to deal with.

778
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 4: Right.

779
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 8: It feels to me like the you know, the juice

780
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 8: is not worth the squeeze anymore with Aaron Rodgers.

781
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 4: And I'm with you on Kirk Cousins.

782
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 8: I think Kirk Cousins now two years removed from the

783
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 8: Achilles and I thought last year doing an Atlanta game

784
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 8: and seeing what was going on on Friday practices, that

785
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 8: just baffled me.

786
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 4: And they nobody, nobody practiced off.

787
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 8: Kirk Cousins on a Friday going into a game, was

788
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 8: running his offense with nothing but backup wide receivers and

789
00:39:59,000 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 8: backup players.

790
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 4: I think I think.

791
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 8: Three or four of the offensive linemen weren't practicing. Uh,

792
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 8: none of the receivers were practicing. Like I understand that

793
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 8: on Wednesday if everybody's beat up, but Friday is your

794
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 8: dress rehearsal, and we are practicing on Friday with nobody

795
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 8: who's actually going to play in the game.

796
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 4: I was standing, what are we doing? But what are

797
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 4: we doing? Yeah, oh yeah, like they get you get

798
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 4: the day off. You know, your hands, trains are a

799
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 4: little store.

800
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know fire the staff. I mean,

801
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: you know.

802
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 4: It was for me.

803
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 8: It was one of those things where I'm like, dude,

804
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 8: that that that does.

805
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 4: Friday's your dress rehearsal Friday. I gotta have you going

806
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 4: like in my.

807
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 8: Day, if you didn't practice Friday, you didn't get to play.

808
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 4: That's that's how it worked, you know. And and you know,

809
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 4: I know I'm old man sham on.

810
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 8: Clouds like Colin always says, But dude, there's there's something

811
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 8: to being ready to play this game at an elite level.

812
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 4: There is something do being a profession.

813
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 8: I was a professional freaking football player because that's what

814
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 8: I did, and that's what I expect, And that to

815
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 8: me is not professional football.

816
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 4: That is that is patty cake, Pop Warner.

817
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 8: You know, everybody gets everybody gets a certificate of participation.

818
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 3: Stuff, participation trophy. Love it all right, Mark Claire, great stuff.

819
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 3: Enjoy the off season, buddy, We'll see you soon, all right.

820
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 4: Sounds gonna stake care eybody