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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to our pre Halloween show, George, and

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Speaker 2: we're with you. Spiritualists in the United States believe that

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Speaker 2: the dead are able to contact a living, reportedly using

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Speaker 2: a talking board similar to Ouija board. This happened in

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Speaker 2: Ohio in eighteen eighty six. Now what's happening in a moment?

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Speaker 2: Karen Dolman joins us. Karen is a best selling author,

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Speaker 2: licensed counselor, and voice and modern spirit communications. She holds

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Speaker 2: a master's degree in counseling psychology and works to bridge

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Speaker 2: the worlds of science and the spirit with grounded inside

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Speaker 2: and depth. Her latest work is called When Cats Had Wings. Karen,

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great, George, and I'm super thrilled to be

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Speaker 3: here tonight, especially on the eve of Halloween, because tonight

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Speaker 3: isn't going to be about fear. It's going to be

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Speaker 3: about awareness. And as you know, and you've talked about

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Speaker 3: it many times in the show, the Luigi board is

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Speaker 3: carrying this very spooky reputation, reputation for decades.

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Speaker 4: But I've got to say that that.

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Speaker 3: Spookiness is really only a reflection of our own collective

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Speaker 3: fear of the unseen the unknown, and the Wisure Board

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Speaker 3: tends to bring that out in person. But I want

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Speaker 3: to say this too, When and if we sit in

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Speaker 3: great curiosity, gratitude, respect, the board can become a doorway

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Speaker 3: to wisdom and it can let us experience this expanded

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Speaker 3: wisdom and awareness that mystics, artists, and adventures throughout time

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Speaker 3: have always tapped into. So tonight I want to share

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Speaker 3: with you and the listeners that the spirit world is

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Speaker 3: not something to fear. Instead, it's something to remember, and

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Speaker 3: that remembrance is that.

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Speaker 4: We're all part of when vast field of consciousness.

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Speaker 3: So tonight we're going to be talking a lot about

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Speaker 3: consciousness and awareness.

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Speaker 2: Kerron, let's go back a little bit. How did you

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Speaker 2: get interested in the spirit world generally?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I've always been able to see in

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Speaker 3: two other dimensions.

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Speaker 4: I came into this.

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Speaker 3: World with the clear senses, the ability to see ye

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Speaker 3: feel different energies. So I've always had this relationship with

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Speaker 3: awareness and with greater levels of consciousness. I just didn't

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Speaker 3: have the words back then. But when I was introduced

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Speaker 3: to the board at that point, I'd already had what

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Speaker 3: you would call an imaginary playmate, which wasn't imaginary, and

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Speaker 3: I was already seeing beans and other dimensions, and I

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Speaker 3: knew that because people said they couldn't see them. So

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Speaker 3: when I was introduced to the board's it was, you know,

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Speaker 3: as a very young girl, it was a long way

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Speaker 3: way long before I've understood what consciousness was, and it

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Speaker 3: wasn't scary, and in fact, it was actually fascinating, so

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Speaker 3: fascinating that I wanted to explore it. And it took

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Speaker 3: me on this, you know, lifelong odyssey to continue to

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Speaker 3: find myself, creating a sacred space around the board and

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Speaker 3: learning to use this tool no different than I would

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Speaker 3: if I was channeling other types of energies in other ways.

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Speaker 2: I've used this story before, Karen, but I'm going to

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Speaker 2: mention it to you, and I want your impression of

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Speaker 2: this thing. I had a weed you board years ago.

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Speaker 2: Years ago, I had a Wiji board when I was

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Speaker 2: doing my Saint Louis Nighthawk program and I brought this

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Speaker 2: thing into the studio. First big mistake. Everything in the

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Speaker 2: studio technically went wrong. The board went wrong, Everything was haywire.

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Speaker 2: We had carts to play commercials. In those days, it

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Speaker 2: wasn't on computer. I'm playing the carts and they would

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Speaker 2: jam up. I went to my producer, Howard. I said, Howard,

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Speaker 2: get this blankety blank thing out of here. Would you

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Speaker 2: please just take it out of here? And he did,

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Speaker 2: and everything seemed to come back up. The board started working,

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Speaker 2: the cart machines worked, the commercials went on. Everything was fine.

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Speaker 2: After the show ended, Karen I went up to Howard

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Speaker 2: and said, what did you do with the Wiji board?

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Speaker 2: He said, I gave it to Darryl. Daryl was one

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Speaker 2: of our news guys. Two days later, Daryl gets fired.

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Speaker 2: About a week later, we run into Daryl at a restaurant. Hey, Darryl,

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Speaker 2: how you doing. I'm sorry to hear what happened to you?

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Speaker 2: He said, yeah, I'll tell you what what. I'm sorry

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Speaker 2: all right. Now explain that, Karen, what happened to the guy.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's funny how we want to immediately

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Speaker 3: assume it has to do with a piece of board,

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Speaker 3: a neutral device that caused such havoc in our lives,

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Speaker 3: that maybe that havoc or that chaos or the changes

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Speaker 4: Maybe he needed to.

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Speaker 3: Get a new job, get a new girlfriend. Maybe she

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Speaker 3: really look at this over time. We too often have

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Speaker 4: And we can get more into that tonight.

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Speaker 3: But I really think that everything is probably a lot

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Speaker 4: If he wants to blame i'm a board, that's fine.

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Speaker 3: But one of these days he's going to wake up

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: When we take calls next hour with you, I'd love

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Speaker 2: for people to call us if they've used the weed

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Speaker 2: give us their thoughts. We're not going to beat you up, Karen,

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Speaker 2: that's not going to happen, but you're going to get

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Speaker 2: some tough calls too.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure I'm sure we're gonna get some really interesting

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Speaker 3: and inviting calls as well, because I got to tell you, George,

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Speaker 3: I've been using this board for fifty two years now,

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Speaker 3: fifty two and a half years, and what I've learned

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Speaker 3: is over the years, I've met so many people who

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Speaker 3: reach out to me and tell me such incredible stories.

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Speaker 3: Now I hear the other side of the stories and

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Speaker 3: we can address that. But I've heard some incredible stories

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Speaker 3: using this tool and how they've been able to, like

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Speaker 3: I said earlier, channel like the mystics, bring in information

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Speaker 4: So there's different ways you can use this tool for sure.

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Speaker 2: In your opinion, is is it the board or the

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Speaker 4: Well, the board is doing nothing. It's neutral.

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Speaker 3: It's just a focus point to allow the communications to occur.

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Speaker 3: It's actually the way of manner in which I choose

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Speaker 4: Wision board with the tool.

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Speaker 3: So it's not the tool doing it, it's the operator

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Speaker 3: and I like to call operators because the word operator

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Speaker 3: means you have a responsibility, like if you're operating a

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Speaker 3: correctly and safely. And so what I say about the

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Speaker 3: is the board is becomes this mirror, mirror, if you will,

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Speaker 3: a mirror to what we are putting into it, our intentions.

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Speaker 3: If we fear it, we're going to magnify and mirror

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Speaker 4: Whereas if we see it more.

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Speaker 3: As a device, a tool just to hear messages and

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Speaker 4: What we're going to get back from it. So it's

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Speaker 3: That's the most important part to this device is you

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Speaker 2: Tell us about this experience that happened in Mexico. It's

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Speaker 2: an incredible story. You've heard about, Oh.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about yes, Teresa and Sturmi, Well, this was

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Speaker 3: this is this is really fun. I was on a

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Speaker 4: And this is about an aperation. Okay.

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Speaker 3: I hadn't plan on doing any kind of spirit communication.

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Speaker 3: You know, I had my golf clubs with me. I

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Speaker 3: did not bring a board. I brought my balls and

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Speaker 3: teas instead. But my friend quietly packed a small gloom

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Speaker 3: that our travel wiji aboard and set its planchet port

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Speaker 3: pointing towards my bed one night. And this kind of

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Speaker 3: Her name was Teresa, and she told me she was

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Speaker 3: looking for her daughter, Stirmy, a child that she had

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Speaker 3: lost tragically over a century ago. Now, with the help

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Speaker 4: And she communicate with us about this now.

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Speaker 3: Well, the other interesting part of the story was I

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Speaker 4: And I said, well, she was in my room last night.

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Speaker 3: This is what's going on. But you know that experience,

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Speaker 3: George taught me that consciousness isn't divided by life or death. Instead,

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Speaker 3: it's one continuous field of awareness and love is actually

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Speaker 3: the bridge between what we would call these two worlds.

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Speaker 2: You've said that the board is a gateway to consciousness.

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Speaker 3: What does that mean, well, you can use the board

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Speaker 3: to tap into other levels of awarenesses. So over the

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Speaker 3: years I've used this board and I began to speak

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Speaker 3: with different types of beings, and I learned that the

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Speaker 3: way to do that is through my own conscious awareness,

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Speaker 3: to the possibilities. And so when I did that, I

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Speaker 3: realized all these different beings of different dimensions or angelic

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Speaker 4: Right now, I speak with animal communication.

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Speaker 3: Like the book that when Kats had Wings, the last

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Speaker 3: to tap into all these different frequencies. Just by shifting

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Speaker 4: You and I've spoken about this before.

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Speaker 3: We can change our frequency to match the frequency of

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Speaker 3: And you know what, many cultures throughout eons have been

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Speaker 4: And that's what I do. I just happen to use

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Speaker 2: Have you ever had a bad experience with the Weedi board?

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Speaker 4: You know I haven't, but I will say this.

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Speaker 3: One time I had an experience where what my brother

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Speaker 4: This is many years ago, we're talking.

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Speaker 3: It was about nineteen eighty three, eighty foursh so maybe

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Speaker 3: And something came through and said just derogatory comments to

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Speaker 3: with that. So I picked the board and Sarah ceremoniously

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Speaker 3: what are you doing? I said, we I'm wiping off

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Speaker 3: look like I'm shifting the energy. And sure enough, when

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Speaker 3: once again come through. And that is when will Majean,

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Speaker 3: when my first i'll call her my bouncer, a gatekeeper,

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Speaker 3: and that that was a turning point too, George, because

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Speaker 3: I realized that's when you really have to have intentions

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Speaker 3: because when you use this tool, you get to know

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Speaker 3: what and who you're talking to by their frequency, by

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Speaker 3: like intimidation or fear based, stop, don't use this tool

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Speaker 4: That was my way. I realized later.

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Speaker 3: I shifted the energy in the room, focused again, and

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Speaker 2: It is fascinating how it works. Now. Do you do

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Speaker 2: think though, that some spirits, good ones come through the

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, it really depends upon the operator.

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Speaker 3: Again, absolutely, yes, that's all that comes through for me.

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Speaker 4: Again has to do with my intentions.

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Speaker 3: And again all the years of using this and learning

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Speaker 3: I communicate connect with other beings. It's like dialing up

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Speaker 4: So I find that people get stuck in.

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Speaker 3: Fear or a lower vibration and that will be mirrored back.

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Speaker 3: So that's when you start getting things that feel less

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Speaker 4: It's like attracts like and so if you want that

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Speaker 4: to shift, you got to shift your energy.

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Speaker 3: I always tell people, George, if they're going to use

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Speaker 3: this tool, check your baggage at the door. Get in

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Speaker 3: a good space, you know, think positive thoughts, set your

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Speaker 3: go about this this device, this channeling with intrigue, with curiosity,

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Speaker 3: with interest, and if you go on that level of energies,

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Speaker 3: you're gonna find that's what you're gonna be met with.

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