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Speaker 1: Welcome to Prognosis. I'm Laura Carlson. It's day two hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy nine since coronavirus was declared a global pandemic.

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Speaker 1: Today's main story. Right now, vaccines are being administered to

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Speaker 1: select people throughout US hospitals and healthcare systems, but companies

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Speaker 1: are preparing for the moment the shots are more widely

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Speaker 1: available and getting ready for the challenge of vaccinating millions

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Speaker 1: of workers. But first, here's what happened in virus news today.

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Speaker 1: Maderna's COVID nineteen vaccine is expected to gain clearance from

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Speaker 1: the Food and Drug Administration as soon as today. That's

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Speaker 1: after a panel of outside advisors backed authorizing the drug

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Speaker 1: yesterday in a twenty zero vote with one abstention. F

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Speaker 1: d A Commissioner Stephen Hahn said that the agency will

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Speaker 1: work quickly toward authorizing the vaccine. The European Commission has

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Speaker 1: doubled its order of Madernas shots to one hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixty million doses. The first COVID nineteen shots have already

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Speaker 1: been given to more than one point one million people

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Speaker 1: in four countries, according to data collected by Bloomberg. It's

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Speaker 1: the start of the biggest vaccination campaign in history and

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Speaker 1: one of the largest logistical challenges ever undertaken. The Fiser

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Speaker 1: bio en tech vaccine was rolled out this week beginning

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Speaker 1: with healthcare workers, and twenty four states reported the first

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Speaker 1: forty nine thousand, five hundred and sixty seven doses administered.

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Speaker 1: Those numbers are expected to surge in coming days as

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Speaker 1: more states work through their early allocation of shots and

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Speaker 1: begin to report their numbers. Finally, some U s States

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Speaker 1: say the federal government has cut their allocations of the

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Speaker 1: Fiser vaccine for next week without explanation. Oregon's allotment of

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Speaker 1: FISER doses for next week was cut by forty according

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Speaker 1: to Governor Kate Brown in a tweet on Thursday evening.

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Speaker 1: Washington State had been expecting more than seventy four thousand

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Speaker 1: doses of the shot for next week, but Operation warp Speed,

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Speaker 1: the US Vaccine Development Program told them the state would

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Speaker 1: receive forty four thousand, eight hundred and fifty instead. Before

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Speaker 1: the Fiser vaccine began to roll out this week, states

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Speaker 1: reported widespread confusion and frequently changing estimates for how many

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Speaker 1: doses they should expect. In a statement on Thursday, Washington

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Speaker 1: State officials said they were not given an explanation as

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Speaker 1: to why the state's allocation was reduced, and they don't

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Speaker 1: know how much they'll be allocated beyond next week. And

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Speaker 1: now for today's main story, US companies are taking some

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Speaker 1: of the first concrete steps to prepare for the unprecedented

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Speaker 1: and complex task of distributing hundreds of millions of doses

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Speaker 1: to the American workforce. For some, that means procuring deep

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Speaker 1: freezers to store vaccines or setting up health clinics at

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Speaker 1: their facilities. Others are weighing whether to require vaccination for

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Speaker 1: employees returning to in person work. Several industries are lobbying

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Speaker 1: after the first doses go to healthcare workers and nursing

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Speaker 1: home residents. I spoke to Ryan be about a crucial

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Speaker 1: vector for vaccine distribution the American workplace. So, Ryan, what

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Speaker 1: are some of the companies or even industries that have

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Speaker 1: and how exactly are they going to be doing this.

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Speaker 1: It's still very much a working problem, if you will,

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Speaker 1: but you know, some companies have started to take some

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Speaker 1: of the first concrete steps to to prepare for their turn,

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Speaker 1: Ford Motor Company has gone out and purchased about a

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Speaker 1: dozen UH ultra cold deep freezers that are capable of

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Speaker 1: storing the Maderna and Visor vaccines at like Arctic like

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Speaker 1: temperatures of negative seventy degrees celsius negative forty degrees celsius um,

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Speaker 1: largest poultry producers, they've already set up health clinics to UH,

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Speaker 1: and they declined to comment just because they're still trying

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Speaker 1: to figure this out. There's still a lot of work

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Speaker 1: that needs to happen at the federal and state levels

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Speaker 1: UH to you know, provide companies with additional clarity about

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Speaker 1: how they will receive those vaccines. A lot of companies

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Speaker 1: I mean, do these companies, whether or not they've announced

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Speaker 1: Have these companies announced any timeline as far as when

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Speaker 1: federal level. As these vaccines continue to go through the

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Speaker 1: which they've said should go to healthcare workers at risk

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Speaker 1: facilities like nursing homes, where we saw some of the biggest,

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Speaker 1: most deadly outbreaks early on in the pandemic. As more

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Speaker 1: vaccines go through that process, UH, I think we'll have

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Speaker 1: better sense of the timing of the distribution. Now in

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Speaker 1: addition to timelines, and you already mentioned a little bit

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Speaker 1: in terms of the actual equipment and logistics needed for

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Speaker 1: storing and and even distributing these vaccines. I mean, Fiser's

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Speaker 1: vaccine into itself requires quite low temperatures that a normal

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Speaker 1: equipment that is needed to store this vaccine by a company,

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Speaker 1: how they are acquiring the special equipment, which understandably is

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Speaker 1: going to be quite in demand over the next coming months. Sure,

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Speaker 1: I spoke to UH an executive at a smaller UH

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Speaker 1: ultric cold freezers. That's the sort of the term of

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Speaker 1: never needed these types of freezers before. Mom and pop pharmacies, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Most of the demand that he's seen is coming from

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Speaker 1: Are some companies or industries in particular trying to say,

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Speaker 1: particularly those in the food industry. We've seen both lobbying organizations,

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Speaker 1: to get them priority for a vaccine. UM. A lot

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