1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: here with Cliff Don Brown, and we are gonna give 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: you our final fifty three man roster predictions. These are 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: We've done the pencil. We've done the pen This is 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: the one that gets laminated, Cliff, Okay, all right. So 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: the Ravens beat the Washington Commanders thirty to three today 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 1: to cap a undefeated preseason slate for the Ravens. My 8 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: plan for the year, I don't know, Cliff, You let 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: me know what you think. Is like, how about we 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: just don't lose, period, we just don't lose. 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: That would be cool. 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: Let's sign up for that. 13 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: We'd all remember a season like that for sure. Right. 14 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. So before we get to our roster predictions, I mean, 15 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: a good preseason, I think that the Ravens just to 16 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: kind of big picture, like, you have to feel good 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: coming out of this preseason. A first and foremost, you 18 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: stayed healthy. You know, there's only one player with a 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: projected significant role that's in question for Week one, I 20 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: mean other than ourd area's watching. That injury happened a 21 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: while ago, but Isaiah likely from the start of training 22 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: camp till now Isaiah likely is the only player that 23 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: went down with an injury that could impact him in Buffalo. 24 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 1: So that's check mark, big check mark there. And then 25 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 1: I think the offense, the starters, the first string offense 26 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: and defense I think got in really good work in 27 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: the training camp, Like the defense is Bawne. Offense looks 28 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: really good. And then you get to these preseason games 29 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 1: where the starters don't play and the backups look really good, 30 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: and you know there are the Ravens backups are dominating 31 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: other teams backups. That's what you also want to see 32 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: from a depth perspective and player development perspective. 33 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: Right, We've been saying the Ravens might be the deepest 34 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: team NFL, and they looked like it during the preseason, 35 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: as you mentioned, Yet the Washington game was the most 36 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: that's our example to me of when Yeah, the Ravens 37 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: backups looked far superior to watching his backups that game. 38 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 2: They dominated from the start. Raves did two touchdown drives 39 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 2: right away, just rolled down the field defense making plays. So, yes, 40 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: the Ravens got better I thought as the preseason went along. 41 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: I think they feel as good or maybe even better 42 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: about their team than they did when training camp started, 43 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: and that's what you want. 44 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely agree. So with that, Cliff, let's jump into 45 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: our fifty three man roster predictions. Listeners can go on 46 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: and check out Cliff's commentary also in his final breakdown 47 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: that's posted on the website app right now. But we'll 48 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: give you a little more context behind cliffs picks picks 49 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: as well as my selections. And so Cliff, let's just 50 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: start it out on offense with quarterback here. Both have 51 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: the same thing. Lamar Jackson, Cooper Rush. Head coach John 52 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: Harwell did say after Saturday's game that he expects Lamar 53 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: to practice on Monday, which is great news, you know, 54 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 1: unless Lamar doesn't feel like practicing on Monday. But from 55 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: a health standpoint, I think that, like the Ravens, believe 56 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: that Lamar will be healthy enough to practice and so 57 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: very good news. After I know there are a lot 58 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: of Ravens fans kind of sweating it out when he 59 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: left practice after getting his footstepped on. 60 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: Absolutely right, right, So yeah, I mean I think that 61 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: you know, not to jump in there, but Lamar and 62 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: Cooper Rush I think has played better as the preseason 63 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: went along, and obviously he was brought in here to 64 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: be a backup who if something happened with Lamar, could 65 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: we could win games with the Ravens, could keep the 66 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: offense going with him at the helm. He's proven he 67 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: can do that with the Dallas Cowboys. I think his 68 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: comfort level really he jumped the last couple of weeks 69 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: with the new offense. And so yeah, I mean Lamar 70 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: it's great news that he can get back to practice 71 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: next week, but down the road, if something happens to 72 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: him this season and he has to miss a few games, 73 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: I think the Ravens still feel better about their situation 74 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: now with Cooper Rush playing the way he did the 75 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. 76 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I feel more confident about the backup 77 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: quarterback situation today than I did let's say, three weeks ago. 78 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: And and you know that's to be expected a guy 79 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: in a new offense. It's going to take time and 80 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: reps and end preseason game reps. And as Cooper Rush said, 81 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: you know that's important stuff for somebody like him who's adjusting, 82 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: you know, to playing quarterback for a new team. And 83 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: you know, I think that if Cooper Rush were to 84 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: see time, it would probably be a fairly heavy run 85 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: running attack. You know, that's what we saw at the 86 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: beginning of this game. It was run, run, run, run, 87 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: run the Ravens just by virtue of they can beat 88 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: you in any many different ways. That's probably what they 89 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: lean on. And trust. You have to trust keep a 90 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,679 Speaker 1: Rush to make smart decisions and make some key throws. 91 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: And I think he showed over the past two priests 92 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: in games that like he can definitely do that. You know, So, 93 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: Devin Leary, I would expect uh would be under serious 94 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: consideration for the practice squad. But Lamar and Rush on 95 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: the fifty three all right, running back the obvious three here, 96 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, Justice Hill, Keaton Mitchell and Rashine A Lee 97 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: is been making a push for that fourth roster spot. Cliff, 98 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: you think he's done enough. 99 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: I do, And more importantly, I think that John Harball 100 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: on the coaching staff think he's done enough. Yes, I 101 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: mean Rashine I Li definitely an interesting case. I feel 102 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 2: that when training camp began, hardly anyone at least in 103 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: the media was talking about Rashe and a Li being 104 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: on the fifty three man roster. I mean, no shade 105 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 2: on him, It's just that the Ravens are so strong 106 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 2: at that position, and you could still make a case, well, 107 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: why do the Ravens need to put him on a 108 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: fifty three even though he has looked good in the preseason. 109 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: But I think his versatility for sure helps him as 110 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: a special teamer, not just a return special teamer, but 111 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: playing on the special team's units. Obviously the way he 112 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 2: looked during the preseason, his ability as a pass catcher, 113 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 2: and also I think there's a feeling that, you know, 114 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: the Ravens are a run heavy team. If any of 115 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: their running backs get nicked up, they want to have 116 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: depth at that position, and he is shown during this 117 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: preseason that you know he can help you in a 118 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: lot of ways. He's a much better player than he 119 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: was last year, and it was a long shot for 120 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: him to make the Ronster, but I believe that he 121 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 2: has done it for me. 122 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: I think Rashina a lee and this decision comes down 123 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: to special teams, and John Harball said he's on all 124 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: of their units, coverage and otherwise, and really between he 125 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: and Keaton Mitchell, they basically have two kick returners. You 126 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: send two guys back there. And I think that as 127 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: much as we all want Keaton Mitchell and think that 128 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: he has the tools to be a dynamic kickoff returner, 129 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: of which we expect more kickoff returns this year because 130 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: of the new rules. As much as we think that 131 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: Keaton like can do that, he didn't do it at 132 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: all in college, and so like we haven't really seen 133 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: a lot of it, a lot of evidence that of that. 134 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: Yet I still think he can. But like rashin On 135 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: Lee has been the better kick returner in preseason games. Now, 136 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: Keith Mitchell missed one game but and didn't really play 137 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: but today in the preseason finale. But I think that 138 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: Rashina Lee's shown himself to be a pretty darn good returner, 139 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: had a long return against the Colts in the first 140 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: preseason game, and so I think that he offers something there. 141 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: And if you're gonna have also Keaton Mitchell, you know 142 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: the obvious injury history with him. He's missed some time 143 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: also due to a hamstring in this training camp. So 144 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: I think that to your point of depth is good. 145 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: And I think that special teams really is what wins 146 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: rashin A Lee a spot on the fifty three man roster, 147 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: because offensively, it's tough to see how he would get 148 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: much action if there weren't an injury. All right, yeah, 149 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: wide receiver. I think we're both in agreement here with 150 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: six wide receivers Dave Flowers for Sean Bateman, DeAndre Hawkins, 151 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: Tyler Wallace, Davontes Walker, and Lejonte Wester. The rookie sixth 152 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: round pick entered training camp. I think we all thought 153 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: that he was probably the leader for that sixth spot 154 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: given his punt return abilities, and then he returned one, 155 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: took one back to the house in the preseason opener, 156 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: and that pretty much stealed the job, and he's been good. 157 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: It was a wide receiver, so I think Lejontay Western 158 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: claimed that sixth spot absolutely. 159 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he's an electric returner, which I think 160 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: is not easy to do immediately when you make the 161 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: jump from college to the NFL. He's shown he can 162 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: be explosive as a returner, very aggressive catching the ball, 163 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 2: doesn't like to let it bounce, and once he catches it, 164 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: he's looking to turn up field. So that was kind 165 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 2: of the biggest I don't know, mystery or a question 166 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 2: was who was gonna be the punt return this year? 167 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: Would Western be able to handle as a rookie, it 168 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 2: looks like he can. But I mean, Devontes Walker has 169 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: really maybe improved to me as much as any Raven 170 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: from year one to year two. I still think it's 171 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: going to be difficult for him to get a lot 172 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 2: of touches when the whole wide receiver crew is healthy 173 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: with Flowers and Bateman and now Hopkins at the top. 174 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: But Walker definitely to me has a future as an 175 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 2: NFL wide receiver. He's kind of shown that for the 176 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: last two or three months making plays. So this is probably, 177 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: in my opinion, the strongest group of wildeouts the Ravens 178 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: have ever had from top to bottom. 179 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: Yep, yep, totally agree, all right, tight end, I think 180 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: that we're in agreement here as well. The one question 181 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: mark here was with Isaiah Likely and you know he's 182 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: coming back from the foot injury and whether you keep 183 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: him on the fifty three man roster or not. We 184 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: both decided that we would We think he will be 185 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: kept on the fifty three. So it's Mark Andrews, Isaiah likely, 186 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: Charlie Kohler, and then pat Ricard is your tight end 187 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: slash fullback to me? With Isaiah likely a the Ravens 188 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: haven't ruled him out for week one. Even if he's 189 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: not gonna play in week one, if you think that 190 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: he is capable of coming back for Week four or earlier. 191 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: Week four is a huge game against the Kansas City Chiefs, 192 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: so you might be battling them, and the Bills I 193 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: would expect are the you know, the two teams the 194 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: Ravens are gonna be battling for the top seed in 195 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: AFC in the playoffs. So if you think he can 196 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: play against the Chiefs, to me, it's worth a fifty 197 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: three man roster spot because that's a massive game and 198 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: he's a great player. 199 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: Really, I think that's the thinking. I mean, obviously, if 200 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 2: he is on all right, that's a problem that you 201 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: know he's not playing the first four and that maybe 202 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 2: it's going to take him longer to recover than we hope, 203 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 2: So we hope you don't see that, and yeah, you 204 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 2: take the chance of putting him on the ronster knowing 205 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: you're still deep at that spot with Andrews and Cohler 206 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: if he can't play, and hopefully by week four the latest, 207 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: he's back in the lineup. So I do expect him 208 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: to be one of the fifty three Isaiah likely. 209 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Next to is offensive line, and we'll 210 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: go with the slam dunks. Here. You have Ronnie Stanley 211 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: Andrew Voor He's he won the left guard job. You 212 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: have Tyler Linderbaum at center, Daniel Folele at right guard, 213 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: and Roger rose Garden at right tackle. There's you're starting 214 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: five right there. That's official been named. The starters. The 215 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: backups Joe Noteboom, Ben Cleveland. Noteboom's your top tackle backup. 216 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: Cleveland's your your I think guard backup. I have Corey 217 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: Bullock on as your top center backup. And then you 218 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: have Carson Vincent, the fifth round draft pick, who's more 219 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: of a developmental prospect at tackle. You know, can he 220 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: become your backup offensive tackle, your sixth man next year? 221 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: I think is kind of the vision for him. For 222 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: Carson Vincent, I wouldn't expect that. He's probably active on 223 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: game days. But that's nine offensive linemen, and for me, 224 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: the question was whether you keep nine or ten. The 225 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: tenth would be a competition between rookie seven er and 226 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: pick Garrett Dellinger or Nick Semac most likely. I think 227 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: Darien Dalcourt would be in that mix. As well as 228 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: a guard. So I think they keep nine. Cliff, what 229 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: do you think? 230 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: I agree? I went with those nine that you mentioned 231 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: as well. I just think that you know, the front five, 232 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 2: it was always set lineman play every snap. So if 233 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: you have a healthy offensive line, then do you really 234 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: need to carry ten linemen? And the Ravens just have 235 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: so many tough decisions to make at other positions that 236 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: they need to keep it to nine if they can. 237 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: And knock on wood right now, everyone is healthy. The 238 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: rotations I think are clear in their minds when they 239 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: have a healthy nine, and just keeping ten would hurt them, 240 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: force them to lose a player another player in another 241 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: position that they don't want to lose. So I think 242 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: they're just going to stick with that nine. 243 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: What I would expect hopefully all those players that don't 244 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: make the fifty three land on the practice squad or 245 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, the of the guys that I mentioned that 246 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: are kind of on the cusp, and so even if 247 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: one were to be claimed by another team, let's just say, 248 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: like you have other you have enough young talent there 249 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: that I think somebody will make it to the practice 250 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: squad that if you did have an injury and you 251 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: had to you felt like you want to call somebody up, 252 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: like you have enough reserves. There is kind of my point. 253 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: It's just it's tough to carry ten offensive linement. As 254 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: much as I think the Ravens have got ten guys 255 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: that are deserving, I think that it would be tough 256 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: to do so. So that's our offensive fifty three man roster. 257 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: That's twenty five players. You know, balanced rosters. Twenty five offense, 258 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: twenty five defense, three specialists. So twenty five offensive players 259 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: there for me and you, Cliff. Let's take a break 260 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: and when we come back, we'll give our roster predictions 261 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball. Thank you for 262 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: listening to Lounge. We're coming to you from the seat 263 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: Geek Studio. We also want our listeners to know that 264 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: this week, the DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner 265 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: of the Baltimore Ravens, has a limited time offer you 266 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: won't want to miss. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app now 267 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: use code fluck. New customers can get a deposit bonus 268 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: of up to one thousand dollars only at DraftKings Sportsbook 269 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: with promo code fluck. 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I'm going with five 278 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: d linemen there, Cliff, what are you going with? 279 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: I'm only going with four. 280 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: Oh, we have our first difference, folks. 281 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: Right obviously, noam the Travis Jones, Broderick Washington Junior, and 282 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: Anias Peebles are my four. I do believe that both 283 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: John Jenkins and Brett Urbin may be part of the roster, 284 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: or very good chance that they will be after the 285 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 2: initial fifty three has decided. But I believe the Ravens 286 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: may take a risk only put four on the fifty 287 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: three hope that they can sign Jenkins urban maybe both 288 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: after they are you know, after the waivers and everything 289 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: else is settled, but only go with four to leave 290 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 2: room for another position where namely the secondary, where I 291 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 2: think they have some really tough decisions they want to 292 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: make and want to have make sure they have enough 293 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 2: depth there. 294 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: So the situation with a player such as John Jenkins 295 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: and Brent Urban, is there a vested veteran, they don't 296 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: have to clear through waivers, right, So for our listeners 297 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: out there, a younger player with fewer years of service, 298 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: when they're released, they have to clear waivers. When they're 299 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: on waivers, any other team around the league can claim them. Now, 300 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: if you claim somebody off waivers, they have to go 301 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: in your fifty three man roster. So it's not like 302 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: you can just claim somebody for your practice squad. If 303 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: a player goes unclaimed, then they are agent for you 304 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: to sign with any team. It could be another different 305 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: teams practice squad. It could be the Ravens practice squad 306 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: or whatever. Vested veterans such as John Jenkins and Brent 307 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: Urban don't go through waivers, so when they're released, they 308 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: can just say I want to stay in Baltimore and 309 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna sign to the practice squad. Now with Urban, 310 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: I think that that makes a whole lot of sense. 311 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: I agree. I think that that's what's gonna happen. He's gonna, 312 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: he's gonna there's kind of an understanding that he signs 313 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,719 Speaker 1: back and goes in the practice squad and and he 314 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: gets elevated for it's up to three weeks of game 315 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: action and then we'll see, you know, if they whatever 316 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: happens as a spot and all the fifty three ye 317 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,479 Speaker 1: opens up, he could take that spot or whatnot. Uh. 318 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: I have a little harder time seeing that with John Jenkins, 319 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: just because like Brent Urban's been here for forever, there's 320 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: an understanding, you know, like he wants to rain in Baltimore. 321 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: You know, I think John Jenkins wants to be in 322 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: Baltimore too. It's by sign here. But like it's a 323 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: different situation I think with John Jacobs. So that's why 324 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: I'm not as you know, for some vetterans, they're like, 325 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: I'm not agreeing to practice squad. I'm not a practice 326 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: squad player, you know what I mean? And and like 327 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: I just I don't know, I just don't I'm not 328 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: ruling it out. I think it's entirely possible, it could 329 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: that could happen. But I don't envision it happening. 330 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the odds are in your favor here, MANK. 331 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 2: But I just have a I have a gut feeling 332 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 2: that the Ravens like some of their young town in 333 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: the secondary. They've had obviously guys who will get to 334 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: have played really well. They value corners and safeties a lot, 335 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 2: particularly corners, and that they feel that, you know, there 336 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 2: were some games where they're only dressed, you know, for 337 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: defensive lineman during the season. So again, if they're healthy 338 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 2: now at that spot, I think they pretty much know 339 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: Urban is going to be part of the team. So 340 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 2: worst case scenario in this, you know, they could lose 341 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 2: a player like Jenkins, who they signed. They obviously like 342 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 2: and certainly he's deserving of being on a fifty three. 343 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 2: But I feel that, you know, this is a way 344 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: that they could go to get some more young talent 345 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: in the secondary on the team. 346 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: We do know that the Ravens they'll work every avenue 347 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,479 Speaker 1: to try to keep as many talented players as possible. So, like, 348 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: you can never rule anything out, all right, So we 349 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: have our first difference. Let's go to safety. I have 350 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: five Kyle Hamilton, Malachi Stark, Sonoosa Kane. I have the 351 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: undrafted rookie Ruben Lowry making the team, and then I 352 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: also put on bow Braid as my fifth safety. I 353 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: have him making the team. I think Lowry a let's 354 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: just start there. I think he's made too many plays. 355 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: I just think, like this guy has just want a job. 356 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: You know, He's made plays consistently in practice, He's made 357 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: plays some preseason games flat out, the dudes won a job. 358 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: And and he's I think the Ravens love his versatility. 359 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: He can play safety, he can play cornerback. That's really. 360 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: He came to the Ravens as a corner and uh, 361 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: he's super smart. He's he's just I think they like 362 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: him and uh and really I think he kind of 363 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: steps into an Ardarius Washington esque role. I don't know 364 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: as much at Nickel as Ardarius kind of came to be, 365 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: but uh, you know, undersized player with a nose for 366 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: the football, and you know, until ard Aius comes back. 367 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying that Ruby Lowry is going to 368 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: get as many snaps as Ardarius did. Certainly not, but 369 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: he's kind of that type of player and kind of 370 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: feels that his shoes for the time being, and then 371 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: for me, Bo Braid, Look, I'm not just making this 372 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 1: pick because the guy's a turn all right. I mean, 373 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: that'll be the easy thing to do. But I have 374 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: more integrity than that journalistically. Okay, maybe I don't. I would, 375 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: I would pick him just because he's turt, but that's 376 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: not the reason that I'm doing this. I'm picking him 377 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: because he's a darn good player, and I think particularly 378 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: he's a guitar and good special teams player and this 379 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: this is a special team slot for me and Bo Braid. 380 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,239 Speaker 1: That dude runs and hits like you. You look at 381 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: the tackle leaders after a bunch of these preseason games 382 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: that guy's played in and he's the top of the list. 383 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: The guy can hit, and that's what you want on 384 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: special teams. Gonna play hard. Smart dude cares a lot 385 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: about it, and he'll he can tackle. And so that's 386 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: why I keep Bo Braid on my fifty. 387 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: Three, no question. I mean, we know how much the 388 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 2: Ravens value special teams and Brady and he to me 389 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 2: secured his Rochester spot with the special teams play because 390 00:21:55,400 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 2: I think Shanoozy Kane did outplay him during training camp 391 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 2: and the preseason that Kane earned his spot more for 392 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: what he did in safety than Braid did. But I 393 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 2: definitely would still want Bray to be on the team 394 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 2: because of his ability on special teams and Lowry, Yeah, 395 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 2: you already talked about him, the playmaking ability he's shown. 396 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: I think the versatility even kind of surprised the Ravens 397 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 2: that he picked things up so quickly at multiple positions 398 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 2: in the secondary that made him even more valuable in 399 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: addition to the plays he was making. He can just 400 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 2: play so many spots and pick things up so well 401 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 2: that it was almost like what are we having training 402 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 2: camp for if a player who's going to do this 403 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 2: doesn't make the team. I mean, he took a spot exactly. 404 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: I also think, you know, with Bo, it's special teams experience, 405 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: and like how good a special teams player is Ruben 406 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: Lowry right now? You know his size, like you kind 407 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: of want a bigger guy quite frankly, and like a 408 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: little bit more of a physical presence, and so like 409 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: when you combine kind of Ruben Lowry, I think in 410 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: terms of like defensive safety, like defensive role. Rubin got 411 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 1: reps in preseason games before Bo Braid, which like Bo 412 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: wasn't getting a lot of action till late in the game, 413 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: which makes you always makes reporters kind of say, like, 414 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: is this guy gonna make it? You know, Ruben Lowry 415 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: was first up before bow and but when it comes 416 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: to special teams experience, I think bo is probably right 417 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: now a better player special teams player than Ruben Lowry is. 418 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: And so it's kind of like two players almost filling 419 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,239 Speaker 1: one role to a degree. That's how I see it, 420 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: all right, cornerback, I have Marlon Humphrey, Nate Wiggins Jr, 421 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: Alexander Cheetah bay Ouzier, Jalen, Arma Davis, and TJ. Tampa. 422 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: That's six for me, Cliff. What do you got? 423 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? I have one additional I have the six you 424 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 2: who are on yours Marlon, Nate Wiggins, Jai Are Adobe, 425 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 2: TJ Tampa, Arma Davis, and Kean Martin another preseason training 426 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 2: camp star. I believe that he is going to be 427 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 2: on the fifty three. 428 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: Okay, So this is our difference. You have Martin on 429 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: Kean Martin on of pick six fame in the third 430 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: preseason game. He also got a safety in the Dallas 431 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: preseason game. So like dude, May played some preseason games, 432 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: he was he was the star of the show. In 433 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: today's game against the Commanders. You got to give him credit, 434 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: like that was the best story of the game. Also 435 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: had a tackle for loss in the game. I thought 436 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: he played well, played well in special teams. John Harbal 437 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: comments that after the game that, like, you know, the 438 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: he was out there as a an device going against 439 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: the gunner and just locked the dude up. And so 440 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: you're putting them on your fifty three. I have John 441 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 1: Jenkins on, so you're taking key on. I have John Jenkins. So, uh, 442 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: you just feel like you won a Spotcliffe I do. 443 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: I know the Ravens still, you know, have a tremendous 444 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: depth in the secondary and have depth at corner. But 445 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: you know, already before week one, we've had both six 446 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 2: round draft picks go down for the year. Jay air 447 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 2: Cheeto have missed time, practice time, TJ. Tampa and Jay L. 448 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 2: Armor Davis. Even though they've looked very good and have 449 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 2: been healthy, which has been great, you know, they've had 450 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 2: to deal with injuries in the past so. 451 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: Well Armor, yeah, I mean Armor Davis has been nicked up. 452 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: He was nicked up at times during. 453 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 2: Training game right right, So yeah, some time. 454 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: I mean I think, I think, yeah, to your point, 455 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,719 Speaker 1: like you have four corners there in Jay you'r cheeto, 456 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 1: Jaylen Arbor Davis and TJ. Tample with injury histories and 457 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: so like how many games you're gonna get out of 458 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: all those guys if if some of those guys, a 459 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: couple of those guys go down, you start to get Look, 460 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: you look real thin a corner and that's not a 461 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: place you want to be. And the Ravens are a 462 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 1: team that that can never say you can never have 463 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: too many corners. And so that's that's the argument you're 464 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: going with, Cliff, which I respect, Like I could easily 465 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: talk myself in to putting Kean Martin on this team 466 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 1: really and and he offers more nickel, like you don't 467 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: have a true nickel corner. Marlon is gonna play a 468 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: lot of nickel, and Kyle Hamilton's gonna play nickel some 469 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: but outside of that, like you know, Arthur Mallett was 470 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: on this team like year plus ago in training camp 471 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: he got injured, but like he was kind of a 472 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: true nickel kel. Martin might be like the closest thing 473 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: that you have to like a true nickel kind of 474 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: because of his smaller stature. My question is, like, Bobard, 475 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Ruben Lowry. You know, I think he offers 476 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: versatility as a corner. So that was part of the 477 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: reason I think. I don't feel like I have to 478 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: go with seven corners like you did. I went with six. 479 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: I'm a little later there, and I think that, you know, 480 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: Keon Martin for me, like, here's a guy, is he 481 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: gonna get claimed? That That's really when you're when you're 482 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: the Ravens and you're debating these cuts, the guys who 483 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: are on the bubble, like you have to evaluate do 484 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: you think some other team's gonna claim him? In Keyon 485 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: Martin's like a five FOT nine Louisiana Louisiana Lafayette undrafted, 486 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, I mean he wasn't part of the Ravens 487 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: initial undrafted class. He got a rookie camp invitation and 488 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: then signed so like, and the Ravens reportedly were the 489 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 1: only team that offered him a spot, you know, an opportunity, 490 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 1: let's say, and so like, if no team was really 491 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: interested before, now maybe they watched the preseason table they say, hey, 492 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: this guy's got some right the pick the pick was nice. 493 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 2: Nice, That was very nice. 494 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: He read that thing the whole way. He was in 495 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: the slot. He came off his guy undercut that. That 496 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: was nice play. That was so like. Maybe some team 497 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: watches watches that and they're like, hey, this guy's got something. 498 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 1: But like, and cornerback is one of those spots where 499 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: a lot of teams probably have this same mantra. You 500 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: can't have too many corners, so like, But I don't know, 501 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: I just feel like if the league generally speaking has 502 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: been like, this guy's not worth even inviting to rookie 503 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: mini caamp, Like, I don't know that he did enough 504 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: to change the minds. Now, you only have to change 505 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: one team's mind. So we'll see if he is released. 506 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: But that's my take on it. 507 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 2: No, it's an interesting debate. It's an interesting scenario. That's 508 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 2: what makes this an inexact science. And as you said, said, 509 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 2: the Ravens are mulling those types of things now as 510 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 2: every team is. But yeah, I mean he he is. 511 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 2: Kean is less under the radar now than he was 512 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 2: certainly back then when he was trying to get signed 513 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 2: with anybody. People know who he is now, and yes, 514 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 2: at that position, I think that enhances his chances of 515 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 2: making a team, not only because you know, again the 516 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 2: Ravens feel you can't have too many, but if another 517 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: team out there is looking for help there, he is 518 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 2: the type of player who might go elsewhere. So we'll 519 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 2: see what happens. It's gonna be interesting. 520 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. To me, I think it comes down to more 521 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: bowbraid versus Keon Martin, Like do you keep the extra 522 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: fifth safety or do you keep a seventh corner. In 523 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: my kind of calculation, I went with Bo because I 524 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: think like he offers more on special teams than Keon 525 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: Martin does. But I think that is a conversation that 526 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: the Ravens will probably be having. All right, outside linebacker, 527 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: I think we're in agreement here. Adafeoway, Calvin Tavis Robinson, 528 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: Mike Green, and David Ajabo a desa Isaac suffered the 529 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: disslocated elbow. He's going to be out for half the year, 530 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: if not more. He's going to land on ir and 531 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: uh I have five outside linebackers. I think you're in 532 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: agreement with that, all right. Mike Green, just the guy 533 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: continues to look great. I think he's I think really here, 534 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: it's a question of snap count, you know, and how 535 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: do you get Mike Green on the field. That's like 536 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: the biggest question mark to me at outside linebacker, Like, yeah, 537 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: what exactly what role does Mike Green play? I think 538 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see David Ajabo. I think he's improved, 539 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: like David Jabo, better player. Thought he he flashed a 540 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: little bit here in the third preseason game, And I 541 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: think Isaac's injury kind of locked up his roster spot, 542 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: though he could have very well made the team had 543 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: it not been for that. Also, all right, inside linebacker, 544 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: this is another interesting debate. We both have four here, 545 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: Roquans Trenton Simpson, Jake Hummel, and the rookie Teddy Buchanan. 546 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: Neither of us are putting our guy, Jay Higgins the 547 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: fourth on the roster unfortunately, even though he's been, you know, 548 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: kind of Kean Martin been the preseason playmaker. But I 549 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,239 Speaker 1: just I didn't put him on. Why Cliff, why did 550 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: you not? 551 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 2: Well? I think an insign linebacker, it's it would be 552 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 2: tough to keep five. I think they're definitely Teddy, you know, 553 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 2: obviously being a rookie. They like his upside. Trenton I 554 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 2: think has played very well. You know, he was never 555 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 2: in danger not making the team. But you know, Jake 556 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 2: Hommel special teams specialists. You know, based on his career 557 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 2: that he can handle special teams very well, and he 558 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 2: was brought in there for that. So to me, he 559 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 2: was almost a lock to make it. And I just think, 560 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 2: you know, it's a numbers game. Unfortunately for Jay, he 561 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 2: made plays, he definitely might surprise us and be on 562 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 2: the rotter. That wouldn't like shock me if he made it. 563 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 2: But they have, you know, plenty of players who are 564 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 2: deserving of making it who aren't going to do so. 565 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 2: And I just think that he didn't do quite enough 566 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 2: to show that he should be ahead of those four 567 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 2: or that the Ravens should keep five to keep him. 568 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: I think it comes down to, you know, he's flashed 569 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: as a defensive player. I think like if the Ravens 570 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: had an injury and they suddenly needed some guy that 571 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: was going to come in and play defensive snaps, he 572 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: would have a better shot for sure, you know what 573 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 1: I mean. Like Zach Orr raved about him in this 574 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: week in the press conference that there's no reason why 575 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: this guy can't have a long NFL career, And I 576 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: think that could be true. It's just like the Ravens, 577 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: you know. I think Teddy Buchanan's looked good too. I 578 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: don't know that they need another inside linebacker right now 579 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: who would would be active on game day and see snaps. 580 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: And I don't know that he's done enough special teams wise, 581 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: you know, to kind of beat out other guys on 582 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: special teams and claim a spot there. So you know, generally, 583 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: like when we've seen these inside linebackers who have made 584 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: it as undrafted guys, these are big, faster guys who 585 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: can run down the field on special team. We're talking 586 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: six to two, six'. Three you, know these are like bigger. 587 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: Guys that's not you Know Jay. Higgins Jay higgins is 588 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: like a guy who's six foot played linebacker all his, 589 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: life great, instincts and we've seen, it like he's he's 590 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: around the, ball makes a lot of, tackles like we've seen. 591 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: That but he like isn't kind of in the mold 592 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: of that undrafted linebacker that they've necessarily kept and like 593 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: has gotten that special team's, role you know WHAT i? 594 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 2: Mean, YEAH i MEAN i agree with. You, now he 595 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 2: did play special. TEAMS i went for three years and 596 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 2: he does know that his path to this roster would 597 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 2: be on special, teams so he has focused on it 598 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 2: during training. Camp, Now i'm not going to sit here 599 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 2: and tell YOU i can evaluate how well he did 600 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 2: as a special, teamer but at least he was very aware, that, like, 601 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 2: HEY i can't just make plays on defense IF i 602 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 2: don't do it on special, Teams i'm making This i'm 603 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 2: not making this. Team so we'll see and if he, 604 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 2: doesn't then, Yeah i'll let you know that he didn't 605 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 2: do quite enough on special teams to make. 606 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: IT i also think that inside linebackers are not necessarily 607 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 1: like the ones that usually fly off the waiver, wires 608 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: you know WHAT i, Mean like waiver wire players that 609 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: there seems to be a shortage of death at or 610 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: the team's value taking extra guys would be corner and 611 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: offensive linemen would be the two THAT i kind of 612 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: put at the top of the. List and SO i 613 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: don't know the inside linebackers are necessarily, gonna you, know 614 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: you have as much concern of a team plucking. Them 615 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: SO i would hope fingers crossed At Jay higgins lands 616 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: on The ravens practice. Squad, then just to around this, 617 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: Out the three specialists are Obvious Tyler, Loop Jordan, stout 618 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: And Nick. Moore Tyler loup hit a sixty one. Yarder 619 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: all hit connected on all three of his field goal 620 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: attempts in the preseason finale against The, commanders so continues 621 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: to look very good kicking them. Ball so one of 622 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: the biggest storylines coming into training camp about whether he 623 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: was gonna win the job and how good he would. 624 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: Be put that to. Rest HE'S i think he's gonna 625 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 1: be pretty darn good and he definitely won the. 626 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 2: Job great to see an important spot he'll. Be he'll 627 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 2: be kicking some big spots obviously this, year but he 628 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 2: looks ready to handle. 629 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 1: It, yep. Yep so those are our fifty three man roster. 630 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,320 Speaker 1: Predictions we both know That garrett is at home and botch, 631 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: this but he's gonna claim here's the. Thing he's not 632 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: on the record, now so you Know garrett's gonna, say 633 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: you went fifty three for fifty. Three we just chalk it. Up, 634 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: Okay so if you're, Listening, garrett don't even try. It 635 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: don't even try. It when you get back into the 636 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: office after your. 637 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 2: Pros we're not we're not we're not, yeah we're not buying. 638 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: It i'm gonna need to see that time. Stamped his 639 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: baby boy is gonna have to to basically verify that for. 640 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: Me i'm gonna, Yeah i'm gonna need uh, Yeah i'm 641 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: gonna need that double checked a. Notary that's Where i'm 642 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: gonna need a, notary all. Right thanks for. Listening as, 643 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: always you can reach us at The lounge At ravens 644 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: DOT nfl dot net and we will be back with 645 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,919 Speaker 1: you next week as The ravens start to gear up 646 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,479 Speaker 1: for the regular season and make these fifty three man roster. 647 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 1: Decisions we'll be back to break it all down once 648 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: they actually make the decisions next, week Next tuesday at four. 649 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: O'clock that's the. Deadline thanks for. Listening