1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should Know, a production of I 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast Josh here, 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: Chuck there, not Josh and Clark, which cracks me up 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: still every time. Uh, this is Josh and Chuck your pals. 5 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: You know us, don't you know us? And this is 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: stuff you should know? Are you superstitious at all? I 7 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: feel like we probably talked about this at some point. Yeah, 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: I was like, have we done a superstition episode? In 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: the closest one we did is Friday? Am I superstitious? 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: To answer your question, Chuck, let me just get back 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: to that right now. Yes, I am in a lot 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: of dumb ways, but like really childish ways. I'm not 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form genuinely superstitious. But I 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: knock wood when I say something that like invites the 15 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: hubrews of the gods. You know, I feel like I've 16 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: seen that out of you a little bit here and there. 17 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: Now that you mention it, I, Um, what else do 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: I do? Oh? I throw salt over my shoulder when 19 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: I see ladders. Yeah, I got no problem with laders. 20 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous. Okay. Yeah, See, I'm not superstitious at all. 21 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: And uh, sometimes even bugs Emily that I will um 22 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,839 Speaker 1: sort of flout that blatantly by walking under ladders or 23 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: not knocking on wood, and she's just like, just do it. 24 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: And I'm like, better safe some stupid wood. That's the 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: superstitious mindsets. Better safe than sorry, I guess so, And 26 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: it's fine. I'm not. I'm not gonna yuck someone's young 27 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: superstitions or are just sort of silly and fun. But 28 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: I I'm a man of science, and I know that 29 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: there is no real world connection to knocking on wood. 30 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: So I don't do it, but I will do it 31 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: to satisfy my wife. Yeah, I think that's very kind 32 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: of you. You're you're I don't make fun of her. 33 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: I don't go, Okay, well do this dumb thing you 34 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: think work right, I'll knock on what I'll say, Okay, sorry, 35 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: I think I've said before. You me superstitious of the 36 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: numbers four and nine, So I will do things for 37 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: her to like I'll try not to let the gas number, 38 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: like the dollar amount of the gallon amountain have a 39 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: four in it, which is harder than you think to do, 40 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: or non she turns forty nine is going to freak out. 41 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: She's just gonna be like, well, I'm fifty's going to 42 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: go right for sure? That's oh that's an't even better. 43 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: I'll pass that one along doors and then skip right 44 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: over to fifty when the time comes right, just go beope. 45 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: But if you look on some Japanese or Korean or 46 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: I think Chinese as well, UM elevators, they don't have 47 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: like a number four when there's a fourth floor, they'll 48 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: leave it. They'll skip it like thirteen in America. UM. 49 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: Or they will just put the letter F right, So 50 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: there you go, because I think they're saying, like f 51 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: the number four. Yeah, And I've also tried to not 52 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: at that one myself. It was okay. I also try 53 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,839 Speaker 1: to not be the jerk that says, no, there's still 54 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,119 Speaker 1: the thirteenth floor even though it says it's not thirteen. Man, 55 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: I feel like we've really evolved and grown up over 56 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: the years, you know. I mean this show started when 57 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: I was in my thirties and yeah, same here, Yeah, 58 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: except early thirties for me, and I'm nowhere near fifty 59 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: right now. You get closer than you think, my friend, 60 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about that kind of thing. Let's 61 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: talk about superstition. So, um, just to kind of start off, 62 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: I was digging into what makes us superstitious? And and 63 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: there's this article I found all these articles, I just 64 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: put together a handful of cute little articles from how 65 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: stuff Works, most of them written by Debbie Ranka your 66 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: pal um. And the premise of the whole thing is 67 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: that humans are superstitious because we have this desire to 68 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: control the world. That like, that is a way for 69 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: us to to feel like we're just subject to the 70 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: whims and vagaries of fate or God or whatever um 71 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: that we can we can do things by noticing patterns, 72 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: making cause and effect causal connections, and then using them 73 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: to our advantage by doing something or not doing something 74 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: in a certain situation to affect the outcome. That's a 75 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: superstition at its space. Yeah, and you know, superstitions don't 76 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: work in one sense because of course, if you're a 77 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: baseball player who uh doesn't change their underwear after they 78 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: have a big game in the playoffs for the remainder 79 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: of the playoffs. Of course, that's not really going to 80 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: help you hit better or feel better or pitch better, 81 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: but uh, it may if that tricks your mind into 82 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: being more relaxed or more confident, you may perform better. 83 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: So in a sense, it maybe does work in a 84 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: in a weird way. Precisely. Yeah, I saw that in 85 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: a number of places that there is this idea that 86 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: rituals like superstitions can have a real world effect, but 87 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: they have a real world effect on you, the person 88 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: who's superstitious, right and they I think it could also. 89 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: I didn't see it anywhere, but it's logical to an extent, 90 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: and we're just throwing out superstitions here, so I feel 91 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: like I can riff. We're riven. But the idea is 92 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: there could kind of be a no cebo effect to 93 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: that thing too, where if you feel like you violated 94 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: some sort of superstitious taboo like walking under a ladder 95 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: and not remedy, you might be a little more clumsy 96 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: than you would think because you're psyching yourself out, you're 97 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: expecting bad luck to happen um, and so you may 98 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: actually kind of go face first into bad luck where 99 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: otherwise you might not because you haven't been focused on 100 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: something bad happening. Or there's a reverse attribution that happens 101 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: where you're like you hit your thumb with a hammer 102 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: later that day and you're like, see, because I want 103 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: into right right? Or or is there an evolutionary basis 104 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: in this? You're right? I mean I think it was 105 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: in that one article from Debbie where she talked about 106 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: like an animal um hunting at night and if there 107 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: was a full moon out, they may make a false 108 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: association with like a rustling sound in the bushes being 109 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: connected to that full moon, being connected with a kill 110 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: and eating good for the night, or being killed by 111 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: that that large animal. So you run away. Yeah, I guess, 112 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: so avoiding that animal that's rustling in the bushes, I 113 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: guess that makes more sense. Well, both of them do. 114 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: Because you can have a positive reinforcer or a negative 115 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: reinforce or reinforcer or a punisher is what they're called, 116 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: and it will either make you want to do the 117 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: repeat that behavior that you think is magical, or avoid 118 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: that behavior that you think is magical. So it could 119 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: go either way in that situation, and at its base 120 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: the idea that if you hear rustling in the bushes um, 121 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: you would probably probably be wise to run, and therefore, 122 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: under natural selection, you would be likelier to survive a 123 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: lion attack because you didn't stick around to see whether 124 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: it was a lion, so you could pass on your 125 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: genes so we could select for scarity cats or natural 126 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: selection could um. And then that makes sense at its basis. 127 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: When you start to add additional things, additional omens or signs, 128 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: like that full moon you were talking about, that superstition 129 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: really said soon because before it's just like, that's just 130 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,119 Speaker 1: a good instinct, that's a survival instinct. Once you add 131 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: the full moon being a part of it, then you've 132 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: reached superstition and it's probably a little foolish, all right. 133 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: Should we dive into some of these yeah, because these 134 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: are so great man. Yeah. I mean mainly what this 135 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: is is a an origin podcast on the origin of 136 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: some of these terms. It's like where Peter Parker came from, 137 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: but with superstition, that's right. Some of these customs, like 138 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: horse shoes, I do not do it, but I whenever 139 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: I see a house or an entry way with a 140 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: horseshoe hung above it, I always think that's kind of cool. 141 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: I dislike the tradition of it all. I don't think, 142 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a superstition, but I don't judge it 143 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: and think it's silly. I think it's kind of a 144 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: and I think most of these are kind of just 145 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: fun customs that I don't mind either adhering to or 146 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: seeing them around me. Right sure, because there is something 147 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: to be said. There's something I'm very quaint and charming 148 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: about folksiness, earthiness that like a lot of these superstitions 149 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: have a horse. It's very much like that. Yeah, and 150 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: it does have that kind of charming, charming aspect to it. 151 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,239 Speaker 1: I think also one of the things about horse shoes 152 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: and being being positive is that it's meant to be 153 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: a good luck charm as well. Like, not only does 154 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: it supposedly ward off evil, it actually blesses you with 155 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: good luck for walking under it. Typically. Yes, so this 156 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: one may have its roots in Ireland. Uh. It's a story, 157 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: a legend of a blacksmith and the devil. Blacksmith is 158 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: working along forging horse shoes. The devil shows up and says, 159 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: give me my shoes. I want horse shoes on my 160 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: little cloven home. No, no no, no, it's you need to 161 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: do is sammy d oh. Hey man, I could use 162 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: a little iron down below, if you know what I mean. Uh. 163 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: And so the devil appears asked for that. In the 164 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: blacksmith recognizes the devil, takes a hot horseshoe and nails 165 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: it into the hoofs. The devil gets burned, rips them off, 166 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: and says, I'll never go near these horseshoes again. No, no, 167 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: what does he say? What does he sound like when 168 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: he said, I'm not Me and any other listener listening 169 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: right now are not going to stand for that kind 170 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: of laziness. Sorry, cat, but I am done Joe with 171 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: the horseshoe thing, Thank you, Chuck. And then all of 172 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: a sudden that becomes tied to the tradition of hanging 173 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: a horseshoe over your door to keep the devil out 174 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: or evil spirits. Yeah. So yeah, And anytime you see it, 175 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: from what I can tell with superstition, when or folklore, 176 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: even when the devil makes an appearance, you can just say, Okay, 177 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: the devil is this Christian incarnation of any and all 178 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: evil spirits, from fairies to nymphs, to witches to whatever 179 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: that predate the traditional Christian idea of the devil. But 180 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: it's the same thing. You're being protected from evil by 181 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: this thing. And so the horseshoe itself has like a 182 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 1: story as a horseshoe. But the fact that horseshoes have 183 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: usually typically been made of iron the whole time people 184 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: have been making horseshoes UM in and of itself is 185 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: makes it kind of like a good luck charm. And 186 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: that people used to attribute um magic to to iron 187 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: all over the world, the Arabs, Chinese, the Western Europeans, um, 188 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: I think the Chaldeans, which were an ancient I think 189 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: they're still around. Catholic Eastern Catholic sect from iraq Um, 190 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: a lot of cultures. Uh basically said iron is something special. 191 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: So the fact that you could, you would make a 192 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: horseshoe out of iron meant that it was automatically a 193 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: good luck charm. And then the shape also made it 194 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: even luckier because creuscent crescent shapes have been viewed as 195 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: having very special magical powers for a very long time. 196 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: That's right. And not only that, but the number of 197 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: nails seven holes in a horseshoe in the horse's foot, 198 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: that is lucky number and many many cultures. And the 199 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: way you hang it though is kind of where it 200 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: comes into some dispute. Some people say hang it upside 201 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: down to hold in your to hold the good luck. 202 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: Other people say hang it uh, or did say upside 203 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: on it? Right side up? I think you sit upside down, 204 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: heels down the little points down. Yeah, heels down would 205 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: be dumping good luck on you. Heal's up would be 206 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: containing that good luck for those who enter. And I 207 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: you know, I've heard people say it both ways, so 208 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if there is a right way. 209 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: The right way is to put two horse shoes, one up, 210 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: one down. Here you go that why why discriminate their 211 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: horse shoes from sake? Um? And then one other thing. 212 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: I think you should take a break. But I wanted 213 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: to give a shout out to you know how. I'm 214 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: always into contemporary journalism. I found an article in the 215 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: Journal of American Folklore by Robert M. Lawrence from that 216 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 1: is just a page turner, So I recommend everybody go read. 217 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: It's about horse shoes and superstition, and it's pretty great. 218 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: All right, we'll be right back, All right, Chuck, So 219 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: we've gone through horseshoes. I feel like the well is dry? 220 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: Is this the end of the episode? It's not, my friend, 221 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: because I'm I got my pinky wrapped around a wishbone 222 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: and I'm just waiting on you to come over. Well, 223 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: I wish that this episode could just go on forever, 224 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: and we'll be doomed to eternal damnation doing this episode forever. Uh. 225 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: The fercula is the wishbone of a foul of a turkey, 226 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,599 Speaker 1: at duck or a chicken, and that's where the clavicle 227 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: is fused to the stern um right above the stern 228 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: hum there, Yeah, fused together, so everyone knows the trick. 229 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: You put one pinkie on each side of a wishbone, 230 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: you both make a wish, you tear it, and whoever 231 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: you know it breaks apart, and whoever you gotta dry 232 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: it out first. That's key if you try to do 233 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: it fresh out of a turkey, just because it's collagen, 234 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: and collagen doesn't break very easily. Yeah, But whoever ends 235 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: up with the biggest part of the wishbone, their wish 236 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: will come true. And this goes way way back, doesn't it, 237 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: Super far back, um, as far back as we've identified 238 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: so far, to the Etruscans, who were the rivals of 239 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: the ancient Greeks and the predecessors of the ancient romans 240 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: Um who lived in Italy, and they engaged in um 241 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: animal sacrid kinds of stuff. Yeah, it was probably orgy 242 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: every night of the week kind of thing. Um. But 243 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: one of the things they did was blood sacrifices of chickens, 244 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: and for some reason the wishbone caught their attention. Um. 245 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: Chickens and birds in general were believed to be um 246 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: oracles or divine. You could tell the future with that 247 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: kind of thing, or you could make a wish on them, 248 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: And for some reason, the ferculum was identified as this 249 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: particularly magically potent part of this already magical animal, the 250 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: bird or the chicken. Yeah, so they would they would 251 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: stroke this thing, they would make a wish on it. 252 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: I think the breaking apart didn't come to a little 253 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: bit later. I think that was the Romans because they 254 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of chickens, which surprised me. I 255 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: thought the Romans had a lot of everything. Yeah, are 256 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: there any if there's a Roman scholar out there who 257 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: who let us know? Does that sound hinky? Is that 258 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: makes sense? And if so, why did the Romans not 259 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: have chickens? And I think we just came up with 260 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: a new super in group T shirt for stuff Romans 261 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: colon where the chickens. No, you mean cold, then that's right. 262 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: We need a colon jingle jingle, didn't we I don't 263 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: think so? Did somebody already? Someone in Oh? No, I 264 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: saw an email from a guy saying, we have a 265 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: cold and sound I think you're talking about a fart. Oh, 266 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: I see. I might have read that wrong though, But anyway, 267 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: not as many chickens, not as many wishbones, So people 268 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: would break bones in half. And that supposedly is where 269 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: the breaking of the wishbone finally comes in, which is then, 270 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: of course passed along to Britain, passed on to America 271 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: where we had lots of ducks and turkeys and chickens. 272 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: And uh, that's kind of the deal. That's why Americans 273 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: still do that today. I still do it every now 274 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: and then. Sure, yeah, I mean why not. The animal 275 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: died for that purpose. Mostly you might as well do 276 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: something about it. But there's supposedly the Brits like took 277 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: that and really ran with it and added some stuff 278 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: to it, like initially in Britain, right, I should say, 279 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: during the golden age of wishbone breaking in Great Britain, Um, 280 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: you would balance the wishbone on your nose make a 281 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: wish and then take it off, let it fall off 282 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: and um, and then you would go about breaking it 283 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: with somebody. And then after that, if you won the 284 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: larger piece, you still had another obstacle to make it pass, 285 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: which was you would take each piece, put it in 286 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: your fist and make the person choose a fist, and 287 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: if they chose the shorter one, finally, you who held 288 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: onto this longer one throughout the whole time will get 289 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: your wish granted. If not, they could come up and 290 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: sneak your wish away, um, just by getting the longer 291 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: piece out of your fist at the end there. So 292 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: of course the Puritans are like, that seems pretty ungodly. 293 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: Let's really let's trim this down and make it more 294 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: puritan asking. There you go. Uh. The only do be 295 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: as part of this part of the article to me 296 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: is it says that's where the term getting your lucky 297 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: break comes from. And I'm not quite sure about that. No. 298 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: From everything I saw, that came about from playing pool 299 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: and billiards starting in the mid nineteenth century, so which 300 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: makes way more sense. And then one more thing about 301 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: the fercula. It's actually a really ancient bone, um, it 302 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: allows wing movement among turkeys and chickens and stuff like that. 303 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: But um, they also found them among velociraptors and t 304 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: rex as well to allow for arm movement and extension. 305 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: So it kind of is one of those things that 306 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: directly connects the dinosaurs to modern day birds. Very cool, 307 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: I think so too. I wasn't gonna let that one 308 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: pass man, no way. So should we get into salt. Yeah, 309 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: So throwing salts over your shoulder, that's the thing. You 310 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: spill a little to salt, you take a you take 311 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: a pinch, pinch, you throw it over that left shoulder. 312 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: And this, uh, they say may have come from da 313 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: Vinci's painting of the Last Supper. If you look closely, 314 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: Judas is scary. It has knocked over the salt, spilled 315 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: that salt. Judas was not a good guy. He betrayed 316 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: Jesus in the Bible, and so the association of salt 317 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: and disloyalty started there. And the idea that the devil 318 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: is sitting over your left shoulder in you know, some 319 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: Christian beliefs, and you're throwing salt over your shoulder to 320 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: blind the devil over that left shoulder. That might be 321 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 1: where that comes from. Yeah, I saw elsewhere. I saw 322 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: a few places that it was Da Vinci started that 323 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: with that painting. Also saw that he was following on 324 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: a much, much older tradition of the idea of spilling 325 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: salt being considered unlucky, which makes sense because um people 326 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: probably were not actually paid in salt ever at any 327 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: point in Western history, and we talked about this in 328 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: our currency episode. I hope we busted that one, because 329 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: I don't think it's actually true. It's just such a great, 330 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: a great um factory, but not necessarily a true one. 331 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: But that's not to say that salt was in an 332 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: extremely valuable commodity for a very long time. So they 333 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: think that there was a taboo that grew around spilling 334 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: the salt that turned into a superstition that had kind 335 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: of practical origins, which was that's really expensive stuff, don't 336 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: don't spill it, or else you're basically letting the devil 337 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: take over, and that that made sense for why you 338 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: would throw some of that salt over your shoulder, although 339 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: it's even more wasteful, But that's what I was getting at. 340 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: I just don't get that. Yeah, yes, agreed, I guess 341 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: it's just a pinch, but still maybe they came about 342 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: after salt became a little more easy to get. Now 343 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: it's basically free, like people pay you to take salt. Now, basically, 344 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: you try to go out a street corner in New 345 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: York and not have somebody to give you salt, you 346 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: can't just happens. I think we could probably move on 347 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: to the rabbit's foot now, this is my favorite, so 348 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: just be prepared. Yeah, this is one where I remember 349 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: and you probably do too. Growing up in the seventies 350 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: and eighties, I saw a lot of highly dyed and 351 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: colored rabbit's foot key chains, and I always thought those 352 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: were real rabbits feed, and thankfully have learned that they 353 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: are generally synthetic these days. These days, I'm not sure 354 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: about the seventies man they may have been. Were they 355 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: real rabbits feed? It's entirely possible. I mean, think about 356 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: where you're seeing those things, like next to a deaf 357 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: leopard mirror, you know, like the people peddling these were 358 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: not necessarily the best and brightest society had to offer, 359 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: and they probably had a line on rabbits cheaper than 360 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: they did on synthetic rabbits. Feet in the seventies, you know, yeah, 361 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: that was I don't know if you remember this, but 362 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: in the eighties at my school, there was a trend 363 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: that happened for a little while where girls would have 364 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: these ridiculous key chains with like three keys and like 365 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: forty other things on them, including rabbits feet and like feathers, 366 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: and remember the Mr. T feathers that you would put 367 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: on your ear And it wasn't until you're older that 368 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: you realized it was a roach clip and that's why 369 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: it hurt so much. Do you remember that? Oh, sure, totally. 370 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, there was just a big, gaudy key chain 371 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: movement in the eighties, and it was always girls who 372 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: had all these things on their key chains. And I 373 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: feel like all of them always had like a purple 374 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: or pink rabbits foot. No, they definitely did, every single 375 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: one of them. There wasn't a single girl that didn't 376 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: have that, maybe early nineties. And they also had that big, 377 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: giant um multi colored pan, yes, you know, the one 378 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: that could could write in all sorts of different colors, 379 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: and yes, big hair too. For sure. It was the 380 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: age of a quinet, that's right. But we're talking about 381 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: the rabbit's foot here. And this kind of goes back to, uh, 382 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: the idea of of a totem totem is um and 383 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 1: carrying around a lucky charm. And in ancient times, hairs 384 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: and rabbits were lucky for a lot of cultures. Yeah. Um. 385 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: So one of the reasons why they were considered lucky 386 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: because they were a symbol of fertility, which extended not 387 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: just like having a bunch of kids, which is something 388 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: you really wanted to do in an a grarian society, 389 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: because more kids you had, the more help you had 390 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: on the farm, the more you could grow and produce 391 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: and and um, survive all sorts of terrible misfortune um, 392 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: but also fertility in those crops as well. So rabbits 393 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: were considered lucky in that respect. But then also rabbits 394 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: make their homes underground, so they were also associated with 395 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: the underworld too. And there's a lot of spirits that 396 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: live in the underworld that you may or may not 397 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: want to be in contact with, that's right. And this, 398 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: I mean, this seems to have been something that started 399 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: in ancient times and probably never stopped all the way 400 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: right through today. Like you don't see him around that 401 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: much anymore, but it's still a thing. The thing that 402 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: cracks me up is it was originally hair's feet, um, 403 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: which is the you know, slightly larger version of the rabbit. 404 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: But they realized along the way, like, you can't really 405 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: tell if it's a hair or rabbit's foot once it's 406 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: cut off of the body, So we'll just say they're 407 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: both lucky. It's basically the consensus everyone came to in 408 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: the superstitious world. Yeah, but I mean, what's the difference. 409 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: Really little different size, right speed. That's about it from 410 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: what I can tell. But um, one of the places 411 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: where it popped up, So the rabbit's foot is we 412 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: understand it today, is a lucky charm. Was actually brought 413 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: over by people who were enslaved in West Africa and 414 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: brought to the America's um and they developed who Do, 415 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: which is not to be confused with voodoo. It is 416 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: a totally different thing. Who Do was more of African 417 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: West African folk magic. And one of the things about 418 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: West African folk magic, one of the hallmarks of it 419 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 1: is that things have an opposite, a reverse effect. So 420 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: a rabbit's foot was lucky because it was actually a 421 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: highly deeply evil thing, and that a rabbit. Typically one 422 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: where you saw a rabbit at night in a graveyard 423 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: was actually a witch. It was a transfigured witch who 424 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: had morphed into the shape of a rabbit. If you 425 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: could shoot that rabbit with a silver bullet around midnight 426 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: in a graveyard, and you cut off its rear which 427 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: was the magical foot, the rare few or most magical 428 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: on a rabbit, and the left foot, which was the 429 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: sinister associated with witches, that was an extremely potent magic charm. 430 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: You basically had the back left leg of a witch 431 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: in your pocket. And so because it was such a 432 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: potent evil thing, it actually warded off other evils, so 433 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: you could carry it around on you to protect you 434 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: from real evil. And that's where are kind of idea 435 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: of a rabbit's foot in America came about as a 436 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: lucky charm. So the luckiest one you could have is 437 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: the left rear foot of a rabbit shot in the 438 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: cemetery with a silver bullet around midnight. That's precisely correct 439 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: as far as American who was concerned. Doesn't get much 440 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: more magical than that. I love it. I love it too. 441 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: And apparently there's an anecdote where Booker T Washington m 442 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: accidentally he was in d c or at a um 443 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: at some sort of dignitary dinner, and he and the Austrian, 444 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: the Austrian ambassador I think, got their coat switched, and 445 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: the Austrian ambassador realized that he had Booker Tase coat 446 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: because he or that he didn't have his coat because 447 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: he found a rabbit's foot in the pocket. And Booker 448 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: T apparently was like, that's that's my Coat's I wish 449 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: you hadn't have told people that, Please please put that down. Amazing. Yeah. Um, 450 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: all right, so let's take a break and maybe we'll 451 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: come back and cover two more wacky superstitions right after this. 452 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: All right, Chuck, So I think next we can't avoid 453 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: it any longer. We have to talk about walking under 454 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: a ladder, which I'm not at all afraid of, but 455 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: I do find this one particularly fascinating, in part because 456 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot of interesting theories, but also there's ways 457 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: to undo the problems you created for yourself with further 458 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: superstitious behavior. Yeah, and you know we should point out 459 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: the regular real world danger walking under a tall ladder. Uh, 460 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: if there's a tall ladder up there may be someone 461 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: on it. There may be a hammer sitting up there. 462 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: There may be a tray of paint. Uh, you know, 463 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: walking under a ladder, there could be a real world 464 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: consequence that has nothing to do with luck by walking 465 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: under a ladder. Right, So, I mean there's it's kind 466 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: of like spilling really really expensive salt. Taboos kind of 467 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: developed around a very practical thing to not do right, 468 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: but that has nothing to do with the superstition. Superstition wise, 469 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: they think it might have its roots in religion. If 470 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: you believe in the Bible, you believe in the Holy 471 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: Trinity of the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost or 472 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit, and that you know, forms a triangle, 473 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: and the triangle and the number three can be sacred 474 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: in other cultures as well. And so the idea that 475 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: you are walking through that triangle, which is the ladder, 476 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: means that you are breaking up the Father, of the 477 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: Son and the Holy Ghost. You're breaking that that three 478 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: way connection. So um, when you when you don't want 479 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: to do that, because there's a couple of things. Don't 480 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: When you're you're insulting the Christian God, very powerful, potent God. 481 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: And then secondly you're also um and summoning the devil, 482 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: are inviting the devil in because you've broken that very 483 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: sacred bond um that represents the Trinity and Christianity. So um, 484 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: that in and of itself is reason enough not to 485 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 1: walk under a ladder? Correct, What are some what are 486 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: you blasphemer? What are some other um reasons why you 487 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: might not want to walk under a ladder? Superstitious wise though, 488 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: I think they use ledders for gallows, or a ladder 489 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: against a wall might resemble a gallows. So there was 490 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: a theory that if you, you know, walk under a ladder, 491 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: it's just reminiscent of walking to your your execution, or 492 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: you're basically walking through where the person would be hanging. Two. Yeah, 493 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,679 Speaker 1: just creepy, don't even think about. And then supposedly the 494 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: Egyptians had a superstition against walking under a ladder, and 495 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: that they said that you could conceivably accidentally spy a 496 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: god walking up or down the ladder. I could didn't 497 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: see this anywhere except repeated everywhere. Um, I didn't see 498 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: any scholarship on it, and I'm not entirely certain when 499 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: the first ladders were developed. There's like some cave paintings 500 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: from I think sixty tho years ago that Neanderthals made 501 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: in Europe that looks like a ladder, but it could 502 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: also just be a design um and the ladders just 503 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: kind of hang out until the nineteenth century in Dayton, 504 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: when some guy invented the collapsible ladder. So somewhere in there, 505 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: it's possible that the ladder was invented in Egyptians used it. 506 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: Some people also point to Jacob's ladder being present in 507 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: the Bible, but that could also have just been a 508 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: strange translation where it would make sense to somebody living 509 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: in a world where ladders have been invented that what 510 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: they're describing as a ladder, but they were not necessarily 511 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: describing a ladder, you know what I mean. So who knows? 512 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: Who knows, But it makes a good story because I'm 513 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: guessing the sight of a god going up or down 514 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: a ladder viewed from underneath, it's not pleasant. You don't 515 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: want to see that jump. Uh. This is one, like 516 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, though, that you can undo with further superstition. Um, 517 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: there are a few different things if you accidentally, let's say, 518 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: walk under a ladder. First of all, that means get 519 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: off your phone and look where you're going, because walking 520 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: under a ladder is a very specific thing and if 521 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: you do it unawares, then that means you should pay 522 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: attention more so that aside, if you happen to accidentally 523 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: do that. Um, you can make a wish while you're 524 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: walking under the ladder, uh, and then walk backwards through 525 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: that ladder again and that might undo the bad luck, 526 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: right and get that wish coming true. That one's good, 527 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: It makes sense. Uh. One of my favorites is so disgusting. 528 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: You can spit three times through two of the wrongs, 529 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: between two of the wrongs. It's pretty gross. Okay. You 530 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: can also make the sign of the fig, which is 531 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: if you take your thumb and you put it between 532 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: your four finger in your middle finger and let it 533 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: yes exactly. That's called the fig sign and actually dating 534 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: back to well before, it represented female genitalia back in 535 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: the day, and it was considered a very rude thing 536 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: to to make it. Somebody probably along the lines of 537 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: you know, flipping someone the bird, which is of course 538 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: a fallus um that you're putting in their face. But 539 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: the form I read this this is really fascinating. If 540 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: we have any listeners in Russia who can attest let 541 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: us know. But the sign of the fig is apparently 542 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: pretty um, pretty uh widespread in Russia, but it's lost. 543 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: It's um, it's kind of negative meaning, and apparently it 544 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: means really emphatic. No, that's the sign of the fig 545 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: or the fig sign. Yet, No, you have to be 546 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: like nit I said it before, I'll say it again 547 00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: the last time. Nit Uh. You can say bread and 548 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: butter when you walk into that ladder and you don't 549 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: cancel out that bad luck to uh. And there's another 550 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: one that was spitting if you spit on your shoe, 551 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: but you have to spit on it then not look 552 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: at your shoe until the spit has dried. Supposedly my 553 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: favorite is the other one the fingers. Yeah, you have 554 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: to basically what make a peace sign? Is that correct? No, 555 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: just cross your fingers, cross your fingers. I forgot that 556 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: that was a different thing than making the peace signs. 557 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: Making the pea signs like the opposite of crossing your fingers. 558 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: And I think about it. But you cross your fingers 559 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: until you see a dog and then you can stop 560 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: and the spell has been broken. The bad luck has 561 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,479 Speaker 1: been removed because you saw a dog. I love that 562 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: one because you know the dogs. I didn't do anything. Now, 563 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to picture you someone flashing you the 564 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: pea sign and you're crossing your fingers in return, and 565 00:31:54,360 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, man, hope exactly fingers c hope for bees. 566 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: So let's see, how about stepping on cracks the last one. Yeah, 567 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: So this is when I have a personal association with 568 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: And I know I mentioned it at some point on 569 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: the show in the past thirteen years, but I have 570 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: a thing where I think it's a minor, low level 571 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: O C d um. It doesn't manifest itself in a 572 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: lot of ways. But ever since I was a kid, 573 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: I have no idea why I purposefully step on cracks 574 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: when I'm noticing it your toast. When I notice it, 575 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,959 Speaker 1: I don't like I think like every time I'm walking, like, 576 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: oh I gotta step on cracks. But still to this day, 577 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: if I notice like I've stepped on a crack with 578 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: my right foot, I will then step on the next 579 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: crack with my left foot to balance it out. That's 580 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: harder to do than you than it seems at first claims, 581 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: isn't it? It is? And it has led to a 582 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: little weird stutter steps here and there high life. Ever 583 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: since I was a kid. Nobody much knows about it, 584 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: but I do know that I've told that story at 585 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: some point, and the only thing I can think is 586 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: that it might just be a might be slightly on 587 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: the O C D spectrum maybe, But one of those 588 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: little stutter steps did bring you good luck, because I 589 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: remember it was on one of those at situtes that 590 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: you were doing it and you fell into the arms 591 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: of Eric Estrada. That's good luck in anybody's measure, always, always, 592 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, Stepping on the crack, though, usually denotes bad luck. 593 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: Step on a crack, break your mother's back, step on 594 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: a line, break your father's spine. Do you know that 595 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: second one? I had heard of it, but it's certainly 596 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: not ubiquitous like your mother's back. Devo left that one out. 597 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: That's right. That wasn't a Divo song, wouldn't it was 598 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:48,959 Speaker 1: in whip it? Right, it would be good. Remember remember 599 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: the Simpsons Variety Show episode where Whalen Smithers was doing 600 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: a version of whipp It but with licorice. I say, 601 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: whipp it licorice whip Oh yeah, I'm sorry. I forgot 602 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: you have covid. I gotta hilarity. Oh that's good. Um. 603 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: So the idea that this is bad luck it could 604 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: come from um again, from the old days where cracks 605 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: signified a gap in the boundary between Earth and the 606 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: metaphysical and if you're interacting with this chasm, even if 607 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: it's just a crack in the in the ground, then 608 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: that could bring misfortune to you in your families. Makes sense. 609 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 1: A lot of people were scared of things in the 610 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 1: ground or even like cravass in a wall or something 611 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: who knows what it was hiding, which you could also 612 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: kind of see stemming from those you know, hunter gatherer 613 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: days where it's like, yeah, you don't want to put 614 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: your finger in there because something really bad can happen. 615 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: And you know, the black widow could could sting you 616 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: something like that or bite you, and um, that's a 617 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,439 Speaker 1: good way to kind of pass that along without having 618 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: to explain black widows and venom in that kind of thing. 619 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: Just there's evil spirits that drell dwelling cracks. I don't 620 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: mess with them. Yeah, I never really thought about that. 621 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 1: You don't go stick in your hand in a crack, No, 622 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: you'd have to be a dinghis Sorry sorry, Chuck, No, no, no, 623 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. That wasn't a good fall. So, um, 624 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: you actually do kind of fall in line with another 625 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 1: version of the superstition where people say that stepping on 626 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: a crack is actually a positive thing because you break 627 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 1: the devil's back. So you're actually breaking the devil's back, 628 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: Chuck when you do that, And basically that's where that 629 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: came from early religious days. It's possible I could actually 630 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,959 Speaker 1: see that and you just forgot all about it. Well, 631 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: it's still a thing though, like grown adults like myself 632 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: still do it. And there was a pole supposedly in 633 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,240 Speaker 1: England where three thousand people uh they pulled and said 634 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 1: that one in twenty would not step on cracks. Still 635 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: is grown ups because they thought it could lead to 636 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: bad luck. Yeah, and I mean there's all sorts of 637 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: other superstitions people have, like um uh, well like what chuck, uh, Emily, 638 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,399 Speaker 1: when she passes a car with a headlight out, we'll 639 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: kiss her hand and hit the scene that. Yeah, And 640 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's good luck or not or 641 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: just a sort of a game. There's supposedly, um, you 642 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: are supposed to lift your feet over a bridge. I've 643 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: seen that one. Um. Yeah, there's just a lot of 644 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: like weird, little modern superstitions that that we might never 645 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: know the origins of you're knocking. Yeah, which is a 646 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: good one, but we're not going to talk about that one. 647 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 1: Do you know the origin? Yeah? Yeah, the Celts, as 648 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,720 Speaker 1: far as we know, the Celts and other cultures felt 649 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,720 Speaker 1: like trees were very enchanted places, filled with all sorts 650 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: of spirits, and they would actually sacrifice humans to the trees, 651 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: which made them even more mystical and magical. Um. And 652 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: so when you were knocking on wood, you were basically 653 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: asking those spirits for luck or a favor, help or 654 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: something like that. And then when you knocked twice, the 655 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 1: second knock was meant to say thank you very much 656 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: for that help. Look at there. Yeah, and then that 657 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: appeared to be on the fly. But the secret is 658 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: you research that and I didn't have a chance to. 659 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: Hey man, that's okay. As long as we got it 660 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: in there, I think people would have been been like, what, 661 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: how did you not talk about that you talked about 662 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: at the beginning, you didn't follow up with it, So 663 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: we did And I feel good, Um, you feel good. Well, 664 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: then I think the superstition episode has come through a 665 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,240 Speaker 1: conclusion chuck. So if you want to know more about superstitions, 666 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: type that word in the search bar. Good old house 667 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: stuff works and it will bring up a bunch of 668 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: good little articles about those and others we haven't talked about. 669 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 1: And since I said search bar, it's time for a 670 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: listener mail. Yeah. This one is from Poison Control And 671 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: this was kind of cool. We did a show on 672 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 1: poison control centers and we heard from poison control centers. 673 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: I always love it when they happened. Yeah. Same here 674 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: corrections when experts right in. Oh sure, yeah, and and 675 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: this is a correction and we're happy to issue it. 676 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: But um, they were very kind and they really love 677 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: the fact that we did a show kind of highlighting 678 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: the work they do. Uh. And they're always a little 679 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: more official, dought than like regular fanmail. And this one 680 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 1: starts out, Hello Mr Bryant to Mr Clark. We don't 681 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,919 Speaker 1: know who. I hope this email finds you both. Well. 682 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of stuff you should know and 683 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: I work at the headquarters the American Association of Poison 684 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: Control Centers. We would like to express our sinceres Gratitude 685 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: for showcasing poison control centers in a recent episode of 686 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: your podcast Stuff You Should Know. Towards the end of 687 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: said episode, at fifty uh, you mentioned the National Poison 688 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: Helpline phone number two two two one to two two, 689 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: followed by U r L. That is not accurate. The 690 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: accurate web page triage tool for the a p c 691 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: C is poison help dot org. And I think we 692 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: said poison dot org. We need to go back and 693 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: fix that. And I want to accidentally spend somebody to 694 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: the wrong place. Yeah, we should probably actually do that. 695 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: The two sites have similar to you r ls, so 696 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: we completely understand. But the correct address again is www 697 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,760 Speaker 1: dot poison help dot org. Thank you again for dedicating 698 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: an episode to poison control centers. Let us know if 699 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: you have any questions with gratitude this one. We got 700 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: a few of them. But this is from Davis Ladley 701 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 1: and operations associate there. That's awesome. Yeah, thank you very much, Davis. 702 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: That was a great correction and we will go do 703 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 1: something about it. So everybody can go here, some one 704 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 1: of us go poison help dot or Mr Herman right 705 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 1: look out for it in the counting days or weeks. Yeah, sorry, 706 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 1: we screwed up with the one U r L that 707 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 1: we needed to get right, right, right, because I don't 708 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,839 Speaker 1: think we mentioned any others in the whole episode. Nope. Well, 709 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: if you want to get in touch with Chuck and 710 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: I like, UM, Davis did um great name by the way, 711 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,800 Speaker 1: I was admired that named Davis. 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