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Speaker 1: San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption prode.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGuinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 2: Why did you do it?

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Speaker 1: I did it because I was foolish.

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Speaker 2: Listen to how to Bribe a Judge on Revolver podcast

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Speaker 3: The John Annick and Kenny Florian Podcasts Gary Kenny Florian,

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Speaker 3: Oh God, you're your hosts John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 4: Whoo huh ha ha.

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Speaker 5: Dateline Boca Raton, Florida to Los Angeles, California, Monday, May fourteenth,

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Speaker 5: twenty eighteen, Episode one fifty five. I think didn't write

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Speaker 5: it down Anak and Florian podcast. Good to be on us,

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Speaker 5: Soil Care and nice to see you. Long weekend in

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Speaker 5: Rio Dejaneiro.

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Speaker 6: I bet man, must been a little bit of a

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Speaker 6: world wind tour for you. You went there, called some fights,

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Speaker 6: called a lot of fights, then came back like on

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Speaker 6: the Red Eye. I'm sure you probably got robbed once

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Speaker 6: or twice.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I'm a boy scout.

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Speaker 5: Thankfully, I know I was never a boy scout of America,

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Speaker 5: but when I'm on the road for the UFC, I'm

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Speaker 5: a boy scout. So I was in my hotel room

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Speaker 5: and avoided what plague some of our coworkers and not

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Speaker 5: going to obviously get into details here, but scary stuff,

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Speaker 5: and I think it would give a lot of them

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Speaker 5: pause to go back. Rio is just not a great

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Speaker 5: place right now. And every country has its issues, obviously,

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Speaker 5: and every city does, but Rio in particular, right now

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Speaker 5: doesn't appear to be the safest place. And thankfully we're

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Speaker 5: in and out and we have a whole lot to

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Speaker 5: talk about. But before we go there, Today the Supreme

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Speaker 5: Court of the United States of America struck down a

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Speaker 5: federal law that prohibits sports gambling and a landmark decision

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Speaker 5: that gives states the right to lead betting on sports.

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Speaker 5: Reading here from David Purdham's piece at ESPN dot com,

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Speaker 5: The Court world six three to strike down the Professional

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Speaker 5: and Amateur Sports Protection Act, a nineteen ninety two law

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Speaker 5: that barred state authorized sports gambling, with some exceptions, made

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Speaker 5: Nevada the only state where a person could wager on

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Speaker 5: the results of a single game. So states that want

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Speaker 5: to offer legal sports betting are allowed to do so.

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Speaker 5: Now New Jersey will be first, Delaware, Mississippi, New York, Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 5: West Virginia among the states expected to quickly get into

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Speaker 5: the legal book making game. So what does this mean

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Speaker 5: for an American sports better like me? This is incredible news.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is this is a potentially life changing

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Speaker 5: thing for me that within a year I could drive

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Speaker 5: forty minutes to Gulfstream Park and bet on the Cleveland Cavaliers.

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Speaker 5: I mean that's that's like a pipe dream my whole life.

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Speaker 5: And this might this is happening Kenny today?

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Speaker 4: Is this like?

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Speaker 6: So is it going to be like National Gambling Day eventually?

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Speaker 6: And this is going to be like your Independence Day?

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Speaker 6: This is annex like like a birthday?

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Speaker 4: What is this like? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean it certainly it puts a birthday to shame.

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Speaker 5: It's certainly not like getting a Brazilian Jiu jitsu black belt.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know that we need to glorify

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Speaker 5: it like that. But so the court ruled in favor

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Speaker 5: of New Jersey and against the NCAA. I mean, Kenny,

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Speaker 5: this is crazy, the NFL, NBA, NHL, and Major League

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Speaker 5: Baseball capping a nearly six year legal battle and overturning

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Speaker 5: a federal statute that the sports leagues had adamantly stood

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Speaker 5: by for more than twenty years. So I have made

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Speaker 5: tens of thousands of sports bets in my life, okay,

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Speaker 5: more than ten thousand sports bets easily okay, and in

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Speaker 5: any number of ways right that I maybe should or

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Speaker 5: shouldn't have I don't even know if it was legal

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Speaker 4: Right, I mean who?

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Speaker 5: And I understand that a bookie isn't isn't necessarily a

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Speaker 7: Right right?

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Speaker 5: But this is this is just exciting stuff. And Florida

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Speaker 5: better gets get on a tours because see, I'm living

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Speaker 4: York and to have sports betta sports books there, like

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Speaker 4: I will, I move where the sports books are.

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Speaker 6: So let me ask you this, how does that work?

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Speaker 6: Does you have to now file a some kind of

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Speaker 6: uh pay taxes on this money?

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Speaker 4: Is that. Yeah, like, did you have to do well knowledge?

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Speaker 6: You have to file yourself as a business as a

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Speaker 6: book Yeah, if you're a bookie, do you file something

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Speaker 6: in order to get approved to be able to do.

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Speaker 4: This or I don't know, I don't know how it's

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Speaker 4: all gonna go consume, right, just business.

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Speaker 5: Maybe we'll have you know, Kenny Floorian can start opening sports.

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Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. You're gonna

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Speaker 6: be my my one and only client. I'll be fine.

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Speaker 5: So how much do you think how much money, Kenny,

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Speaker 5: do you think Nevada took in excuse me, last year?

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Speaker 5: How much money do you think Nevada took in in

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Speaker 5: in sports betting?

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Speaker 6: Jeez?

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Speaker 4: A billion?

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Speaker 8: More?

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Speaker 4: Four point eight billion?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 4: So wow?

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Speaker 5: And this article tell there are a lot more people

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Speaker 5: So obviously the ramifications of this are pretty mind numbing

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Speaker 5: in terms of what it could do to help states

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Speaker 5: we're going to move on to UFC two twenty four,

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Speaker 5: I promise you, but right after this news broke, you know,

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Speaker 5: two twenty four, and there's so many different headlines. Very

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Speaker 5: long is going to join us here in about ten minutes,

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Speaker 5: but I want to, you know, start with the fighting

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Speaker 4: Amanda Nonez.

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Speaker 5: For me, there's a lot of different ways you could

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Speaker 4: Amanda Nunez.

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Speaker 6: Rarely do I believe that there's a professional fighter out

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Speaker 4: So I think those are the two major things.

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Speaker 5: The striking defense, you know, just seemed to always have

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Speaker 5: you know the weight cut at times, right, Nina answer off?

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Speaker 6: Well, she's improving too, which is scary, and she has

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Speaker 6: You know, So Amandon nunas you know, for anyone in

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Speaker 4: I mean that, that's how how good she is. And

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Speaker 5: And there are a lot of high level people working

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Speaker 5: necessarily during fight week. I mean, Dean Thomas is breaking

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Speaker 5: In real you got the undefeated Kaitlyn VI eight coming

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Speaker 6: But I also agree with you that she should take

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Speaker 5: Add good size, because you know you can add bad

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Speaker 5: This is something, Kenny, that a lot of people are

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Speaker 5: If a fighter says they've had enough, that's your thesis statement. Largely,

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Speaker 5: it's mine on this. I mean, I can understand parts

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Speaker 4: And here we are talking about it. Well, it was

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Speaker 6: So well done on that, John, And yeah again, you know,

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Speaker 6: you know anything about her, you know she's a very,

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Speaker 4: She's dealt with some serious injuries.

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Speaker 6: I think she had a broken back, she had a

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Speaker 6: I'm done. I've had enough, and you have the intelligence

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Speaker 8: Yes?

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Speaker 6: And if you're seeing rounds one through four and you're

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Speaker 6: in a corner. I'm sorry, because you just don't know

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Speaker 6: go and hey, listen, get focused here. This is what

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Speaker 6: who are you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Fight?

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Speaker 6: It's the fighter's job to know whether they want a

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Speaker 5: Well, the corners certainly let themselves open to criticism by

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Speaker 5: send her back out there for starters, right, I understand

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Speaker 5: My question is what exactly are you trying to accomplish?

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 5: Because you know, some people suggest there's some part of

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Speaker 5: the fight, when you sort of stop intelligently to that, right,

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Speaker 5: like the verb quit, what do you like? She so

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Speaker 5: You need a new verb if you're gonna say that

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Speaker 4: Quit exactly exactly.

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Speaker 6: And and you know, for that fighter, you know in

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Speaker 4: Get out of the sport.

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Speaker 6: Because it's about protecting your fighter first and foremost.

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Speaker 4: That's it. Take your ego out of it.

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Speaker 6: And and for some of those people like a fighter,

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 5: I mean a lot of fighters have chimed in on this.

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Speaker 5: think that there have been many instances in UFC history

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: I think a big argument you're hearing on the other side, Kenny,

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Speaker 5: And yes, that is true, but respectfully, I would say

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Speaker 5: She's healed from all these injuries, right, So Raquel Pennington

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Speaker 5: I would assume you think that for Rakhal at this point, right,

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Speaker 4: But what else is she gonna say? What else is

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Speaker 6: You know, yeah, you know what, my coach is a dickhead,

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Speaker 6: and uh, you know, he really doesn't know the game

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Speaker 6: You know, like as far as what she showed during

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Speaker 6: Can you argue that she.

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Speaker 4: Won one of those rounds?

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Speaker 6: No, she was limping, her leg was messed up, she

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and she was getting outstruck and out grappled. Come on,

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Speaker 4: and not to bet you that.

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Speaker 5: Her friend Amanda Noon is like, you know, how much

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Speaker 5: And I think Longo is probably a pretty good guy

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Speaker 5: to talk about this with. So let's give him his

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Speaker 5: whole fancy intro intro Raymond Peter Longo, It is now

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Speaker 5: time for the.

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Speaker 3: Ray Longo minute.

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Speaker 9: And I'm gonna punch a hole in this fucking shup.

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Speaker 8: That's what I want with the.

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Speaker 3: Ray long Go minute during Rang the John Nick and

446
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Speaker 3: Kenny Florian podcast.

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Speaker 5: So the cardio killer Ray Longo, I mean he pushes

448
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Speaker 5: his fighters, Kenny. I know you push him right during

449
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Speaker 5: the weight cutter during training. The question is if they

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Speaker 5: tell you there done after round four of a championship

451
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Speaker 5: fight that they're getting crushed in, uh, you send them

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Speaker 5: back out there.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: That Look, that's a tough first off.

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Speaker 9: I think everything on this case as a coach is

456
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Speaker 9: an individual thing, and who knows what their relationship is was.

457
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Speaker 9: I thought they were given a good advice during the fight.

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Speaker 9: I think Roxie, if she was having any successes when

459
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Speaker 9: she was moving forward against the cage, she was just you.

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Speaker 8: Know, getting picked apart.

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Speaker 9: Uh. You know, my first thought was, why don't just

462
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Speaker 9: tell the ref I'm done. I don't know why she

463
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Speaker 9: went to the corner. I just really wish you would

464
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Speaker 9: either toll the ref I'm done and he stops to fight,

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Speaker 9: or she goes to the corner. My nose is shot,

466
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Speaker 9: I can't breathe, And then I think they would have

467
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Speaker 9: definitely stopped to fight, you know. So I'm it's a right.

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Speaker 8: Look. I walk in last night.

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Speaker 9: I trained with a girl that's got like twenty five

470
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Speaker 9: thirty fights at this point. First thing she says, if

471
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Speaker 9: I tell you I'm done in the corner, what would

472
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Speaker 9: you do? I said with you, I would stop to fight. Plus,

473
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Speaker 9: I know your injuries. If you tell me your neck

474
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Speaker 9: is killing you, that fights over, like you know what

475
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Speaker 9: I mean, I know.

476
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Speaker 8: What the injuries are for everybody.

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Speaker 9: If they even you know, you know, insinuate that that's

478
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Speaker 9: where the problem is. That fight is one hundred percent over.

479
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Speaker 9: But we don't really know what their relationship is. Maybe

480
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Speaker 9: during sparring, you know, she wigs out a little bit

481
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Speaker 9: and they get her back and they're scented.

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Speaker 8: But Kenny brings up a good point.

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Speaker 9: Definitely, in a close fight it would have been different,

484
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Speaker 9: but she was getting beat But man, I always want

485
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Speaker 9: to be optimistic, and who knows, it's mma, anything could happen.

486
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Speaker 8: But if a.

487
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Speaker 9: Person says that they're done at the end of the day,

488
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Speaker 9: it's just not a good thing. And the fight should

489
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Speaker 9: have been they should have stopped.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and right, don't you think she was kind of

491
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Speaker 6: like looking at her corner and going, hey, guys, help

492
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Speaker 6: me out here. Yes, exactly, you know what I mean,

493
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Speaker 6: Like I don't want to be the one to tell

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Speaker 6: the referee you guys are my freaking corner.

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Speaker 9: No, no, no, But the point is the damage has

496
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Speaker 9: already done. It's recorded, you know what I mean. So

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Speaker 9: either she could have just went to the referee and

498
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Speaker 9: said I'm done. I think that would have made it simple.

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Speaker 9: It would have been over and everybody would have nderstood it.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 9: By turning around it caused more of a problem because

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Speaker 9: whatever they you know, it's sort of like, again, you're

503
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Speaker 9: not saving face by having the corner savior. At that point,

504
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Speaker 9: you're telling them I don't want to be here, you

505
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Speaker 9: know what I mean, So I think, and who knows

506
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Speaker 9: what the rules, maybe the corner can't even stop the fight.

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Speaker 9: I don't even know at this point.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 9: Well, but well, of course, you know, I'm.

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Speaker 6: Maybe some outside referee will come in and go, no,

511
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Speaker 6: no't do that.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 9: You know. They go to the videotape and they said no.

514
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Speaker 9: She didn't say she was done. She said, you know,

515
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Speaker 9: I'd like to run, right. But if you don't know,

516
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Speaker 9: that's what I'm saying. There's a couple of things, but

517
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Speaker 9: at the end of the day, it's not a good thing.

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Speaker 9: She doesn't want to be there. She's in one a killer.

519
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Speaker 9: Get her out of there.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think live to fight another day.

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Speaker 6: It was it was my you know, my thing, because

522
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Speaker 6: because again you're fighting to killer like a man in

523
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Speaker 6: noon as man she was getting you got around.

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Speaker 9: That has to be taken into consideration, certainly if that

525
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Speaker 9: was a close fight and you can make an adjustment.

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Speaker 9: And I just want to say, I'm back in the corner,

527
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Speaker 9: because I do think they gave her good I think

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Speaker 9: when she was pushing Nuna's back. She was having any

529
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Speaker 9: success she was having was at that point in the fight.

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Speaker 9: So if she would have kept doing that, I would

531
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Speaker 9: have loved to have seen what would have happened. But

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Speaker 9: I think she took some you know damage early that

533
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Speaker 9: just started mounting up and then it became a disaster

534
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Speaker 9: by like round four.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I do think it's interesting though that for Raquel, I

537
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 5: do think to Kenny's point and then we can move on.

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Speaker 4: She was going to her corner.

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Speaker 5: As if to say, help me, right, like if the

540
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Speaker 5: corner camera ray is in the other corner at that

541
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Speaker 5: point in time, right, if we're in the red corner

542
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Speaker 5: with Amanda Nunez and that doesn't get caught on camera.

543
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Speaker 5: She's looking for her corner to get her out of

544
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Speaker 5: the fight, to not have to go in the middle

545
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Speaker 5: and publicly tell the referee. Now, yes, you're right, it's

546
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Speaker 5: all documented, and in this instance it was. But there

547
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Speaker 5: have been instances in UFC history where conversations like this

548
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Speaker 5: presumably have happened and corners have either stopped fights or not.

549
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Speaker 5: We saw Trevor Whitman stop a fight with Nate Markourt

550
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Speaker 5: and largely I think the three of us are in

551
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Speaker 5: agreement that we'd like to see it happened more on

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Speaker 5: that side than this side.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly, I'll totally agree with that. You know, It's

554
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Speaker 9: just it. Look, I'm normally on the other side. I'm

555
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Speaker 9: trying to sometimes say, like I remember, I always tell

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Speaker 9: that story, you know, because I know what I do

557
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Speaker 9: with the fighters, and I know where they're at. And

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Speaker 9: you know, I told Matt you want me to stop

559
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Speaker 9: the fight. He said he would kill me right in

560
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Speaker 9: the corner. He goes, you're not stopping. You know, it's

561
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Speaker 9: always the other way around, and even in the eye

562
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Speaker 9: quent the fight. What could be I know we trained

563
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Speaker 9: for three rounds, and I know we didn't do any

564
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Speaker 9: defensive wrestling, and the guy got kind of mould in

565
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Speaker 9: the first two rounds. But he dug down deep and

566
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Speaker 9: he wasn't going anywhere. You'd have to kill that guy.

567
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Speaker 9: So look, it's a sport that you know what you're

568
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Speaker 9: signing up for. This is not bad, and this is

569
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Speaker 9: really bad. I wish you, if I'm telling you, if

570
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Speaker 9: she would have said, my nose is shot, I can't breathe.

571
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Speaker 9: That guy stops to fight, well, right, you know what

572
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Speaker 9: I mean, I'm saying if she would have just couched it,

573
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Speaker 9: a little bit of decision, you know what I mean,

574
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Speaker 9: because nobody's gonna want to If you're saying you can't

575
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Speaker 9: do it because X, Y and Z, then the fight

576
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Speaker 9: is one hundred percent. But you know, I've had fighter

577
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Speaker 9: is you know, say stuff that I know it's mental

578
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Speaker 9: with them, and I said, you just got to go

579
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Speaker 9: through it, you know what I mean. I'm not saying

580
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Speaker 9: this was the case, but at the end of the day,

581
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Speaker 9: it just wasn't a good sign. And again you got

582
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Speaker 9: to error on the side of safety and say you know,

583
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Speaker 9: the fight's over and you know whatever.

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Speaker 8: But that's I don't know that relationship. I think that's

585
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Speaker 8: the other key ingredient.

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Speaker 9: And the fact that Kennington now has come out and

587
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Speaker 9: said they did the right thing and and she could

588
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Speaker 9: easily and that's what I'll disagree with. She could easily

589
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Speaker 9: say they sucked and I'm leaving that's easy. Look what

590
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Speaker 9: you know, Joanna did that with the weight people. They

591
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Speaker 9: fucked my weight, my weight cut up, and I'm leaving.

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Speaker 9: So kennything to say, Listen, man, I don't like what

593
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Speaker 9: they did. They didn't have my safety yet you know,

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Speaker 9: if that's what she felt, then she could get out

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Speaker 9: of there.

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Speaker 8: But she's choosing not to say that for a reason.

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Speaker 9: I think only she can answer some of the questions

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Speaker 9: that we're talking about toe, you know, in the North fantas,

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Speaker 9: I think we'd have to give the corner enough time,

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Speaker 9: you know, give.

601
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Speaker 8: Let's see, let's hear their take on it, you know.

602
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Speaker 8: But definitely a bad scene.

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Speaker 9: And you know, like I told the girl last night,

604
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Speaker 9: I said, no, I would have stopped the fight if

605
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Speaker 9: you tell me, because I know who you are.

606
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Speaker 8: I know that you would never want to say that.

607
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Speaker 8: That would be enough of me to go to fights over.

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Speaker 5: I'm here to protect you, all right, And a lot

609
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Speaker 5: of us feel like Raquel Pennington's one of the toughest

610
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Speaker 5: human beings on the planet. And to your point, Ray,

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Speaker 5: had she said my nose is shattered, they probably stopped

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Speaker 5: the fight.

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Speaker 8: That fights on for sure.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know what else you got.

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Speaker 5: On UFC two twenty four, Comaine event ended up being

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Speaker 5: the fight of the night, which I thought was surprising

617
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Speaker 5: on a night where there were eleven finishes. Great fight

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Speaker 5: of course, between Jacka a Soza and Kelvin Gaslam. I

619
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Speaker 5: thought KG won the fight and deserved the split decision.

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Speaker 5: Your thoughts on the comaane or anything else that we

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Speaker 5: saw in Rio over the weekend.

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Speaker 8: Hey, real quick, let me.

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Speaker 9: Just tell you, for all the geniuses out there, uh

624
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Speaker 9: you see, Carl Robinson, that's what you look like when

625
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Speaker 9: you're out. You're laying lifeless on the mat. You're not

626
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Speaker 9: giving a thumbs up when the guy's touching your arm,

627
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Speaker 9: You're not rolling around saying I'm not out trying to

628
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Speaker 9: That's what it looks like.

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Speaker 8: You're lifeless. You're not moving. Just just for the record,

630
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Speaker 8: so thank you, Ray.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, for all the guys that could tell you know

632
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Speaker 9: in the eighth row that somebody was out in the fight,

633
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Speaker 9: That's what it looks like.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if I'm making my point, guys, but yeah,

635
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Speaker 8: I mean, Ken, you know what I'm saying. That's what

636
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Speaker 8: it looks like, Kenny, exactly.

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Speaker 9: You're not moving, You're not riding your bicycle through Central Park.

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Speaker 8: You're freaking out. Period.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but again, what do I know?

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Speaker 8: I mean, these guys are medical, these guys are neurologists.

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Speaker 8: I guess. The comin event was awesome.

642
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Speaker 9: Man.

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Speaker 8: I look, I can't say enough about Gastolm.

644
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Speaker 9: I think what makes this guy great is he probably

645
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 9: is a natural one seventy guy and he is just

646
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Speaker 9: running through people. I mean, definitely a close fight. Uh,

647
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 9: Jack Array showed a lot of heart. He landed some

648
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 9: big punches to no effect the guys. The other guy's

649
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 9: got a granite chin at this point. I don't know.

650
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 9: That was a great fight. And Kelvin h Kelvin's tough.

651
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Speaker 9: You know, he survived on the floor, which I didn't

652
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 9: think he would do. I thought the fight was gonna

653
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Speaker 9: be over when it hit the floor. But powered to him.

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Speaker 9: You know, he did get up, and you know, I

655
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Speaker 9: don't think it was his best performance, but I think

656
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Speaker 9: that was part because Jacques Array was having a good night.

657
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 9: He just didn't have the gas to pull it off.

658
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 9: He just looked, you know, even after the second round,

659
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 9: look at him walking back to the corner. You know

660
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 9: that didn't look good. So uh he powered through it. Uh,

661
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 9: And I thought it was a good fight.

662
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 8: All Right.

663
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 5: We're sending a camera crew Fox Sports crew with Kenny

664
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 5: Floor into Garden City, New York, and the two of

665
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 5: you are going to film a quick thing. He's gonna

666
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 5: have two minutes to try to submit you with an

667
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 5: ezekiel chok oh, man.

668
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 8: I gotta tell you, and I don't think he's gonna

669
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 8: have much trouble with that.

670
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 9: I didn't even know, dude.

671
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 8: That was pretty cool.

672
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: That was crazy. I don't know if I could actually

673
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 4: do that like like he did. That was crazy, man.

674
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, because some of those chokes, your arms just feel

675
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 9: like it's just you can't get leverage to do him.

676
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 8: But that was wow. That was really crazy.

677
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 4: Man.

678
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 8: That was really cool.

679
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 7: That was good.

680
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 9: But uh yeah, if we start like one hundred yards

681
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 9: apart for two minutes and he has to like catch.

682
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 4: Me as ah, I see.

683
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, if we do that, I think I'm gonna win.

684
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 5: But put you in a cage. We're not gonna put

685
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 5: you on a football field to have a fight. I mean,

686
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 5: you're in a cage, right.

687
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 8: I'm good. Then I might have to do the old defense.

688
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 8: I choked myself.

689
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I believe it.

690
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 5: All right, Well, you look great, have a great week,

691
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 5: Thank you for your time, and you're inside as usual,

692
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 5: and uh, we will talk to you next Monday unless

693
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 5: you have anything else on the tip of your tongue.

694
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 5: Wideman Jocketay, what was that Widman gonna fight jacketay or

695
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 5: you think fight for the belt?

696
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 4: What do you want to do?

697
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, that looks like where it's head though.

698
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 9: At this point, I gotta seeho was available and how

699
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 9: his you know, rehab goes with his thumb.

700
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 8: He's definitely working out. I see him about four times

701
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 8: a week now.

702
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 4: So yeah, he's.

703
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 9: Mentally where he wants to be as far as having

704
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 9: like a cast on his hands, so just keeping them

705
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 9: ready to go. So when the injury's done, he'll be uh,

706
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 9: he won't have to you know, we won't have to

707
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 9: get him in shape. You know, he'll be in shape

708
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 9: at that point and we'll take it from there. But

709
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 9: it looks like that's gonna be the fight they're gonna

710
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 9: make because Gastulum has already said he wants to wait

711
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 9: for uh for the winner of Romero and uh uh yeah,

712
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 9: you know.

713
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 8: So we'll see. But I tell you what, it opens

714
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 8: up that whole division.

715
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 9: Man, if I'm Chris Wiseman, I'm looking my I'm looking

716
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 9: my chops yep.

717
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 4: Of course, because you got I think, yeah, yeah, I

718
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 4: think it.

719
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 9: Puts him right back into where he wants to be.

720
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 9: And wow, I mean that's that's good. It's exciting, all.

721
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 4: Right, buddy, have a good week.

722
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 8: Ah you two guys, Thanks ry.

723
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 4: Well for sure.

724
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 5: The fact that two of three judges saw that for

725
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 5: Gasoline benefits Chris Wyman because he beat Calvin finished him

726
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 5: in his last fight where size really mattered in the

727
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 5: middleweight division. I thought Ray hit on an important point there, Kenny,

728
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 5: because most of us agree that Gasolum to make one

729
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 5: hundred and seventy pounds down a division at welterweight is

730
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 5: not some huge ask, right, Like we're not asking this

731
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 5: guy to emaciate himself, if that's the right word, you know.

732
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 5: Like I am starting to believe he can be a

733
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 5: champion at one hundred and eighty five pounds. But this

734
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 5: isn't some like massively sized welterweight that people are begging

735
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 5: to stare death in the face to go make a

736
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 5: run at welterweight. Like I really think he might be

737
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 5: able to be a champion two divisions, and because he

738
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 5: doesn't have the benefit of looking into the future, he

739
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 5: doesn't know maybe which one would be better for him

740
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 5: at this point.

741
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 4: Well, listen and guess what neither is. Robert Whittaker, You

742
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 4: know what I mean?

743
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 6: So if he's able to get in there and beat

744
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 6: a guy like a Robert Whittaker or match up against

745
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 6: someone like Whittaker, if he gets through Romero, yeah, I agree.

746
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 6: And initially I said I don't think he could be

747
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 6: a champion one hundred and eighty five pounds. He's knocking

748
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 6: on that door. He's knocking on that door and proving

749
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 6: me wrong. I think he can be a champ at

750
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 6: one seventy, no doubt about it. But yeah, I mean

751
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 6: he's very close becoming a champ at one eighty five now,

752
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 6: which is very impressive. Listen that fight between Kelvin and

753
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 6: Jock Array, though it could have gone either way, I

754
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 6: thought Jock Gray was maybe gonna get the nod.

755
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 4: It was in Rio.

756
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 6: He When I look back in the fight and I

757
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 6: look at the significant moments in that fight, I point

758
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 6: to two things. It looked like Jockarray was hitting Kelvin

759
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 6: harder than he was getting hit. He was aggressive on

760
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 6: the ground, he got the superior position. That first round

761
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 6: potentially potentially could have been close to a ten eight,

762
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 6: could have been a ten eight. And yeah, I thought

763
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 6: it was a really close fight. But here's the other

764
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 6: thing that was significant during that fight. Jock Array looked

765
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 6: exhausted during that fight and the second round he got rocked. Obviously,

766
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 6: he was obviously stepping in potholes in that second round,

767
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 6: you know, was lucky to make it to the third,

768
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 6: and just overall just looked like he was really ty wers.

769
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 4: Kelvin didn't.

770
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 6: And anytime Kelvin did get hit with what looked like

771
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 6: a big shot, yes, it looked like nothing even faced him,

772
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 6: he was fine. His head would fly back and he

773
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 6: just pressing forward. That dude he's got a horse neck.

774
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 7: Man.

775
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 4: That was crazy.

776
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 5: I mean literally, I'm just writing this note down and

777
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 5: then it came out of your mouth. I mean, Jackaday

778
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 5: would throw what is a middleweight power shot, an undersized middleweight,

779
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 5: and the guy's head literally doesn't budge.

780
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 6: He has his neck should be on a milk cart,

781
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 6: because I mean, it's it's crazy.

782
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 5: So I'm sitting right there and I'm cheating the monitor,

783
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 5: but I'm watching the monitor most of the time. But

784
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 5: if you're a judge watching that, right, it's like it's

785
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 5: like you're like, well, what what's behind that shot? If

786
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 5: the kid's head's not even moving, you know, in that

787
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 5: third round, I think There's an argument to be made

788
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 5: for sure that Sosa won that round, but it just

789
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 5: seemed like big picture when when Kelvin was landing, it

790
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 5: was having more of an impact and Gaslam fighting at

791
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 5: his natural weight and uh, you.

792
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 4: Know, absolute, absolutely man.

793
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 6: And you know, there's probably like a maybe twenty to

794
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 6: fifty percent of the fight where it's comes down to

795
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 6: acting skills in a way, right, that's like as acting

796
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 6: like you're not tired, acting like you're not hurt, you know,

797
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 6: moving around the octagon with a certain air of confidence.

798
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 6: That all those things play a factor with the judges,

799
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 6: and Jockray wasn't able to do that. And I think

800
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 6: Jockeray was not the more technical striker, but he was

801
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 6: the guy who probably hit harder and he was the

802
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 6: better grappler. The problem is he made some really poor

803
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 6: decisions during that fight, shooting in without really setting up

804
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 6: the takedown, shooting in from.

805
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 4: Way too far.

806
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 6: To me, it looked like Jockuay was extremely nervous, you know.

807
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 6: It seems again I don't know if it was fighting

808
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 6: in rio or whatever it is. We've seen him a

809
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 6: little jumpy in the past, but again it shows that

810
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 6: he's not yet so comfortable fighting in the octagon, certainly,

811
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 6: not even half as comfortable as he is when he's

812
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 6: got a gee on or he's competing in you know,

813
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 6: submission wrestling or Brazilian jiu jitsu.

814
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 5: Well, and having sat down with Jakaae on Thursday, I

815
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 5: can tell he was so comfortable and confident fighting Derek Brunson.

816
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 5: He knew he had the perfect game plan, went out

817
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 5: and executed it and got the job done very early.

818
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 5: And I think a big part of what you're suggesting

819
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 5: is the opponent, right, I don't think it's fighting in

820
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 5: Rio for the first time as a mixed martial artists.

821
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 5: He had a lot of big moments at the Worlds

822
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 5: and you know this wasn't some crazy crowd either too.

823
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 5: And we'll get into a little bit of that later,

824
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 5: and we will get back to where Jaka goes from

825
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 5: here at thirty eight years old, because I think asking

826
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 5: him to get into a championship situation now is a

827
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 5: big ask at thirty eight. We will get to Mackenzie

828
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 5: Dern and everything else at two twenty four in a minute,

829
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 5: but we're going to get to the chili picks now

830
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 5: and then circle back.

831
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 4: So let's get to the predictions in your Main Event challenge.

832
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 3: It's the main event challenge and the.

833
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 4: Time is most definitely I faish fighting. How do you everything, boss?

834
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: We'll do win the main event Challenge. John Annick and

835
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: Kenny Florian Podcast.

836
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 5: Well, if you want to fast forward ten minutes and

837
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 5: hear us continue to talk about two twenty four and

838
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 5: circle back, You're not gonna offend me, but you better

839
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 5: circle back because I think we have a good guest

840
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 5: picker today.

841
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 4: But before we get to them, we update the standings.

842
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 4: Of course.

843
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 5: So Team Annic led at forty eight thirty six heading

844
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 5: into the UFC two twenty four. Yeah, not a great

845
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 5: week for you, Ken, but it was okay, not too bad.

846
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 5: So you went head to head with Matthew Holt by

847
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 5: virtue of his underdog play on Cesar Mutanchi Fejeda. Holt

848
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 5: takes the week five to four overall lead fifty three

849
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 5: to forty for Team Annik. We're coming up on June one,

850
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 5: ladies and gentlemen. This is a real good thing.

851
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 4: Ken Flow's gonna have to get a tattoo on his neck.

852
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 9: Dude.

853
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 4: No, that was not the bet.

854
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 5: Joining us to make picks today for the UFC Chile

855
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 5: card this weekend. Kenny, we're going to the land of

856
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 5: the six one seven, the five O eight. Oh, he's

857
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 5: actually got a nine to seven eight number. Those were

858
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 5: not around when Kenny and I were growing up in Massachusetts.

859
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 5: But Celtics are playing so goddamn well right now. We

860
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 5: had to go to New England for this week and

861
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 5: joining us, Jimmy you believe Jimmy Man. Appreciate your time today, sir.

862
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 9: How are you.

863
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 7: I'm doing well, John, thanks for having me.

864
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 4: Glad to be here, our pleasure man.

865
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 5: So we got three main card selections, time permitting some

866
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 5: quick picks, So UFC Santiago Chile for the first time.

867
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 5: Ken Flow will not be there, Kamara Usman will be there.

868
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 5: He'll take on Damian Maya in the main event. So

869
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 5: first pick for us, though, we'll start with a featured

870
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 5: bout here. UFC Light Heavyweight Division Dominic reyis Jared the

871
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 5: Killa Gorilla Cannoneer. No betting line right now here on

872
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 5: Monday morning, Rays though, will be favored against Cannoneir. I

873
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 5: would assume he was an outstanding football player, legitimate NFL aspirations,

874
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 5: undrafted now undefeated as a mixed martial artist. He's eight

875
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 5: z lost two of three has Jared Cannoneer decisions against Glover,

876
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 5: to Shia and most recently Jan Blohovich. So Cannoneer as

877
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 5: underdog or you going the other way with the favorite

878
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 5: Rays Jimmy.

879
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 7: This is one of those fights where you have a

880
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 7: heights propect really taking a pretty big step up in competition,

881
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 7: and this should give us a pretty good read as

882
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 7: to where he really stands in the division. Reyes has

883
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 7: looked like a killer in his first couple of fights

884
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 7: and in his fights before that. I think he has

885
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 7: seven out of eight first round finishes. But Cannoneer is

886
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 7: a veteran and each of them have their own power.

887
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 7: So either one of these guys in theory could finish

888
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 7: the other if they land clean. But I'm pretty sure

889
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 7: neither of them have been finished actually in this weight class.

890
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 7: Cannoneer Is only time being finished was at heavyweight, I believe.

891
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 7: So neither one really has vulnerability in their chin necessarily

892
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 7: that we've seen at least. The one weakness that kind

893
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 7: of stands out with Cannoneer is grappling, and he gets

894
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 7: taken down pretty easily in a lot of his fights.

895
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 7: We don't really have a big sample size on Reyes

896
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 7: in that department, but last fight he did lan a takedown,

897
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 7: take the back, maintain in control, and ultimately find this

898
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 7: the mission. I'm a little bit nervous about the gas

899
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 7: tank being unproven with Reyes, and I've gone back and forth,

900
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 7: but I'm going to say that Reyes keeps the hype

901
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 7: train rolling here. Don't think it'll be quick and easy

902
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 7: like his previous fights, but I'll say Ray's second round

903
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 7: t KO.

904
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 4: All right, Reyes by second round TKO, ken flow. Dominic

905
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 4: rays the devastator because the Dominator was taken. That is

906
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 4: the truth.

907
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 5: He respects Domina Cruz a lot, and he deferred, so

908
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 5: he is the Devastator, not a great nickname.

909
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 4: I think this could be a great fighter.

910
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 5: I think he's got a championship frame for two hundred

911
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 5: and five pounds, certainly a winnable fight for him here,

912
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 5: one that on paper, I think a lot of people

913
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 5: expect him to win. Cannonear's got the UFC experience. Seventh

914
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 5: UFC fight for him, has some up at heavyweight. Of course,

915
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 5: he's going to be motivated. I talked to him after

916
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 5: that Blahovich fight in Winnipeg in December. I think you're

917
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 5: going to see Cannoneer's best here. The question flow will

918
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 5: it be enough against Dominic reyis.

919
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, we definitely need to see cannoneers best. There's a

920
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 6: lot of question marks though with Dominic Race. You know,

921
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 6: that's the only problem. I don't know really how good

922
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 6: he is. He hasn't quite faced the kind of level

923
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 6: of competition that Cannoneir has. Cannoneer we know about his

924
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 6: striking prowess. He hits very hard. You know, when I

925
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 6: look at them, they are very similar. But Race, I

926
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 6: think has to have the grappling advantage. So you know,

927
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go with Dominic I think he gets it done.

928
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 5: Your boy Joe Stevenson in the corner, Yes of one,

929
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:37,479
Speaker 5: Dominic Race, Joe Stevenson, Ken Flow victim. We talk about

930
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 5: Kenny's opponents that he beat on the show. A lot

931
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 5: Comaine event in Chile, another strong showcase for the best

932
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 5: division in women's MMA. I'm very excited about this fight.

933
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 5: It's the one that jumps off the card for me.

934
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 5: Twelve franc Tatiata Suarez minus one, ninety ninth rank Alexa

935
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 5: Grosso plus one sixty five. Jimmy, who do you like

936
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 5: here at Strawait Suarez or Grosso?

937
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, I totally agree with you that this has been

938
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 7: one that I've been looking forward to and setting an

939
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 7: alert to make sure I'm notified when the odds got released.

940
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 7: I think the line is still a little bit off here.

941
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 7: Grassol did have a lot of hype coming into the UFC,

942
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 7: but obviously took a step back against police. But a

943
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 7: lot of people are still pretty high on her, and

944
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 7: grasshow clearly has a striking advantage. But I'm pretty high

945
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 7: on Tatiana Suarez in this weight class, and I think

946
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 7: she can go pretty far just based on wrestling alone.

947
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 7: I think in order to beat her you really need

948
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 7: to be able to suffer takedowns or have the power

949
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 7: to make her respect you. I think you really need

950
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 7: to look into the top five of this division to

951
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 7: find a woman who may be able to do that.

952
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 7: Grasso may be able to land some shots, but I'm

953
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 7: thinking Suarez can really, if necessary, just kind of walk

954
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 7: right through them and be able to get her takedowns

955
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 7: without much of an issue. Grasso did give up two

956
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 7: tape down to herriggs Ford to random Marcos and with Suarez,

957
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 7: we're really talking about just a totally different level. As

958
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 7: far as takedown, I'm thinking, want to get to the ground.

959
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 7: Suarez will be able to advance and eventually get a

960
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 7: submission here. So my pick will be Suarez with a

961
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 7: lot of confidence here second round submission.

962
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 4: Look at Jimmy fucking bringing it from Massachusetts. What town

963
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 4: do you live in, James, I live in Tingsboro. Your

964
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 4: goddamn rights, you live in Tingsborough. I mean, do you

965
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 4: see this? Ken flow? Where do you find me?

966
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 9: This?

967
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 6: Where are you finding these guys? Isn't satisfied with like

968
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 6: the the fifteen point lead. He wants forty by the

969
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 6: end of the year. I mean, and it's tough you

970
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 6: get someone like Jimmy. You want to bring him back

971
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 6: next week, but you know, we got to go to

972
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 6: the queue, Kenny, on this fight, Tatiana Suarez, she's gonna

973
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 6: fight for a UFC championship.

974
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 5: You know, clip off the audio. She's gonna fight for

975
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 5: a UFC title. She's less experienced five and oh right now,

976
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 5: so undefeated. Grosso's last five fights have gone the days Suarez,

977
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 5: I think, you know, long term is going to be

978
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 5: the better finisher. Last fight for Grosso split decision win

979
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 5: over my girlfriend Randon Marcos.

980
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 4: That was August, Mexico City of last year.

981
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 5: Kenny, I think Suarez can wrestle and grapple her way

982
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 5: to a UFC title shot within eighteen or twenty four

983
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 5: months here. I think the ceiling is very high on

984
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 5: Grosso as well, but Suarez I think deserves the distinction

985
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 5: as the favorite this weekend.

986
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is one of these fights, in my opinion,

987
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 6: where you know two fighters that are meeting each other,

988
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 6: you kind of get the sense that the one who

989
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 6: wins this one is really going to rise to the top,

990
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 6: and I think Suarez is going to be that that fighter.

991
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 6: I think Suarez, with her wrestling, just having that level

992
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 6: of wrestling in that division is going to take her

993
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 6: very far. I think Suarez gets it done with her wrestling.

994
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 6: I think probably a little bit later, probably in the

995
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 6: third round, maybe gets a submission or a tko.

996
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 7: Uh.

997
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 6: But Grosso is dangerous on the feet, so U Suarez

998
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 6: has to be careful once she gets on the inside.

999
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 4: She's on the inside, she'd better be looking for a takedown. Oh,

1000
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 4: no doubt. Grosso's got some tools.

1001
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 5: I didn't mean to be so one sided in my analysis,

1002
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 5: but I do like Suarez a bunch all right. Main

1003
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 5: event Kamoru Usman minus four hundred, Damian Maya plus three

1004
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 5: hundred will need the round of the method of victory here, fellas,

1005
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 5: if you don't mind Maya stepping in here. It's about

1006
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 5: three and a half or four weeks notice for Santiago

1007
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 5: Ponzan ebo Ousman seven to zero in the UFC.

1008
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 4: Only knock on him, I guess I mean Ken Flow.

1009
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 4: I'm sure has plenty of technical knocks on all these guys,

1010
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 4: but five of his last six have six wins have

1011
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 4: been by decision, so finishes haven't been there.

1012
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 5: Maybe the highlight reel isn't there. You know, I think

1013
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 5: he's a beast. You know, on any given Saturday night,

1014
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 5: I think he could be the best welterweight in the world. Jimmy,

1015
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 5: he draws Damian and Maya this weekend, you go and

1016
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 5: favorite or underdog in the main event.

1017
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 7: Yeah. I heard you guys talking about this one a

1018
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 7: couple of weeks ago, and I think I'm picking the

1019
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 7: same person as Kenny, But I think I have a

1020
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 7: little bit of a different take on it. I think

1021
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 7: this is definitely Usman's fight to lose. Maya's really shown

1022
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 7: that if he can't get the takedown and really control you,

1023
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 7: maybe submit you. If he can't get the takedown either

1024
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 7: in space or push you up against the fence to

1025
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 7: a single find a way to get it down. Those

1026
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 7: are the fights where he just really struggles. And I

1027
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 7: think that after Saturday, Maya's going to have had the

1028
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 7: three toughest stylistic matchups back to back to back, going

1029
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 7: from Woodley to Covington to Usman. Really the three best

1030
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 7: wrestlers at one seventy, and Usman may not have the

1031
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 7: Division one credentials like those guys, but he excelled in

1032
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 7: Division two and his wrestling is very much on the

1033
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 7: level of those guys. Woodley and Covington both bought smart

1034
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 7: and they really use their wrestling defensively to keep it standing,

1035
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 7: not shooting takedowns and playing into Maya's game. So I

1036
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 7: just think the blueprint is right there and Usman is

1037
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 7: smart enough to stick to it. At the same time,

1038
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 7: Usman's stand up has been improving, and really you mentioned

1039
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 7: the lack of finishes with the depth at one seventy

1040
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 7: right now, he's feeling pretty overlooked. He knows that he

1041
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 7: needs a strong performance here to make himself stand out

1042
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 7: and climb that ladder. I know Maya did go to

1043
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 7: decision with both Woodley and Covington, but I really think

1044
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 7: Woodley definitely could have finished him if he got after it.

1045
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 7: This is a five rounder. I think Usman has a

1046
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 7: little bit more power than Kolby. I'm thinking after going

1047
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 7: over twenty one and then over thirteen for takedowns in

1048
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 7: his last two fights, I think we're going to see

1049
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 7: Maya roughly over fifteen in the fourth round, getting pretty frustrated,

1050
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 7: already a little battered. I think Usman's going to land

1051
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 7: a big shot that leads to a finished So although

1052
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 7: Usman fourth round TKO.

1053
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 5: All right, Kamara, Usman fourth round TKO, and that finish

1054
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 5: would be useful because all of these welterweights are competing

1055
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 5: in these main events successively over the next several weeks.

1056
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 5: May in June, of course, Thompson until a big fight

1057
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 5: as well. So for Usman, you got to finish Damian Maya.

1058
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 5: I would think, if you want your next fight to

1059
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 5: be for the title, and of course you've got the

1060
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 5: interim Welterweight Chainampionship as well. In this picture, all right,

1061
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 5: ken flow Usman and Damian Maya. We will need the

1062
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 5: round and how they get it done. Which way you're

1063
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 5: going in the headliner in Chile.

1064
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 6: First of all, very impressed with you with your guest picker.

1065
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 6: Yet again, Total has done his homework. Listen, Camarow. Uzman

1066
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 6: benefits from those last fights. As Jimmy mentioned from Covington,

1067
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 6: from Woodley, you get two wrestlers who have laid down

1068
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 6: the blueprint of how to beat Damien Maya.

1069
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 4: Use your wrestling defensively, keep it on the feet. Uzman.

1070
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 6: We saw him knock out another world champ before in

1071
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 6: Brazilian jiujitsu. He kept it on the feet, knocked him silly,

1072
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 6: won that fight. Can he do the same against a

1073
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 6: larger opponent in Damian Maya?

1074
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think he can.

1075
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 6: However, I think for Damian Maya, him being the bigger guy,

1076
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 6: him understanding he's taking this fight on short notice, He's

1077
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 6: gotta get it done quickly.

1078
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 4: And John, we can't forget that I'm getting my ass

1079
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 4: kicked here. I need to be able to get some

1080
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 4: kind of underdog pick.

1081
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 6: While I think that Usman should win this fight, I'm

1082
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 6: gonna go with Damian Maya one because he's one of

1083
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 6: my Brazilian just two heroes, and number two I need

1084
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 6: the damp points. Let's go DAMPI and bya submission in

1085
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 6: round one. All right, Wow, I love it.

1086
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 5: I love the conviction too in terms of the round one,

1087
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 5: but no, and I also think it's important that listeners understand,

1088
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 5: for purposes of our scoring system, Maya wins, Kenflo gets

1089
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 5: four points, Usman wins, it's a one point play.

1090
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 4: So there's that.

1091
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 5: And also too, as we talk about in betting, you're

1092
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 5: betting the number and not the fighter here, right, So

1093
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 5: clearly you see some value in Damian Maya at plus

1094
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 5: three hundred, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it

1095
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 5: get bet down a little bit before fight night. But

1096
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 5: Kamara Usman, you know, I think deserves to get all

1097
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 5: the respect that he does from Las Vegas and Cannily

1098
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 5: in some of these fights, Kamara Usman is getting champion

1099
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 5: level respect from Vegas, and I think it's deserved.

1100
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 4: All right. Quick picks from Jimmy and Kenny here on

1101
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 4: the way out.

1102
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 5: Welterweight Chad Laprize sent Luke Luke has won five to six,

1103
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 5: and I think more importantly he has finished his last

1104
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 5: four wins. Couple of bonuses there. Laprize another one of

1105
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 5: these guys. Can Flow fighting near his natural weight, thriving

1106
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 5: at one hundred and seventy pounds. Jimmy Laprize, Luk, who

1107
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 5: do you like?

1108
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, if you just looked at their records, you probably

1109
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 7: think Laprize is gonna run through it. But uh, I'm

1110
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 7: taking Luke a dars.

1111
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 5: Joke, all right, the sente Luk with a dars for

1112
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 5: Jimmy Kenny. No betting line yet here, so we'll adjust accordingly.

1113
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 4: On the back end. You going Luke or Laprize. I

1114
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 4: thought Jimmy was gonna take debait here.

1115
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 6: On Laprize, I'm a little disappointed, But yeah, I gotta

1116
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 6: go with Luke as well. A very large welterweight. He

1117
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 6: can strike as well to give Laprize problem. Sometimes Laprize

1118
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 6: get hit, hit a little bit too much on the feet.

1119
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 6: Doesn't want to do that against the larger Luka. I

1120
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 6: think Luke gets it done. Also the better grappler as well.

1121
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 4: Ken Flow doesn't back Canadians. He spent too much time out.

1122
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 4: Theory doesn't know Laprize.

1123
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 6: I think he's undersize that win seventy thought for him,

1124
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 6: and I'm.

1125
00:49:58,840 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 4: A fan of Canada.

1126
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 5: It's hockey season, so you know it's right, all right,

1127
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 5: Zach Cummings, Michelle Prestis, Jimmy Priseettish finally forced mercifully to

1128
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 5: go up to one hundred and seventy pounds.

1129
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 4: You going Prestis or the bigger guy, Zach Cummings.

1130
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 7: I'll admit this is pretty much just an emotional pick here.

1131
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go with Cummings. I think he's gonna welcome

1132
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 7: him to the one seventy division and just humble him

1133
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 7: a bit. He's It's just one of those things where

1134
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 7: you get frustrated seeing guys missweight time in and time out,

1135
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 7: and last time especially I mean not even you know,

1136
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 7: being remotely close. So I'm looking for Cummings to use

1137
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 7: his size and kind of put put Press.

1138
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 4: In his place, Kenny.

1139
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 5: Zach Cummings has a lot of experience, also has some

1140
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 5: experience not making weight in his own right or not

1141
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 5: making it to the scale. I don't think he made

1142
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 5: it to the scale one time when you and I

1143
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 5: were in Macau, if I'm not mistaken. And then of course,

1144
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 5: had the accident recently. He's a new father as well.

1145
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 5: What do you think about Cummings and Prizettish, You.

1146
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 6: Know, coming this is a solid fighter, been around the block,

1147
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 6: as he said, good on the ground as well. But

1148
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 6: I do think Prazeria is just a little bit better everywhere.

1149
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 6: He will be certainly shorter, have a shorter reach as well.

1150
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 6: But preseris man.

1151
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 4: He's very, very good. He's good everywhere he is.

1152
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 6: He's tough, he's got a good chin as well. I

1153
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 6: think prezeris gets done.

1154
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 5: He's like twenty five and two. I mean, it's incredible

1155
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 5: what he's done. An asterisk, I guess next to some

1156
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 5: of those wins for not making weight.

1157
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 4: All right.

1158
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 5: Finally featured prelim on Fight Pass. Good fight here at

1159
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 5: featherweight Enrique Barzola, the Peruvian taken on Brandon Davis, the

1160
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 5: Mississippi kid. Which way you're going here, Jimmy.

1161
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm curious to see what the line is on

1162
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 7: this one when it comes out. I've been a little

1163
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 7: bit back and forth here. I like how Brandon Davis

1164
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 7: looked in his last fight, really, you know, showed a

1165
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 7: bit of a striking but I kind of think that

1166
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 7: the opponent really was able to make it, you know,

1167
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 7: appear that way, really highlight Davis's strength. I think Barzola

1168
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 7: is going to be able to land down to here

1169
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 7: and win a decision.

1170
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 5: All right, Barzola for Jimmy ken Flow. You're not going

1171
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 5: against the proving, aren't you.

1172
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 6: No, I mean Jimmy's teasing me here. I thought he

1173
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 6: was gonna go with Brandon Davis. I got all excited. Yeah,

1174
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 6: I think Barzola wins this.

1175
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 5: I hate that one of those guys has to lose

1176
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 5: that fight, honestly, because I think both of them can

1177
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 5: do some things.

1178
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 4: But we'll see how it plays out. Barsola probably be

1179
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 4: the favorite. All right, Jimmy, you believe. I believe in Jimmy,

1180
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 4: you believe. What do you do for a living, by

1181
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 4: the way, or are you independently wealthy or do you

1182
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 4: work for a living?

1183
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 7: Yeah? I work in software sales.

1184
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 5: All right, Well, you did a great job, man, and

1185
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 5: you sound great and obviously did your homework, and we

1186
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 5: appreciate that time and you listening, so all the best

1187
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 5: enjoy the fights this weekend. And I would think maybe

1188
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 5: you'd be watching with a little more vested interest because

1189
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 5: you're going head to head with uh, with one of

1190
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 5: the greatest lightweights of all time.

1191
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 7: I know, I know, I don't want to let Team

1192
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 7: Mannick down, so I'm hoping needs come through.

1193
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 4: All Right, buddy, have a good week. Thank you.

1194
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks guys for having me.

1195
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 4: All right, And if you're ever in southern California, it's

1196
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 4: May Rocky b JJ right, tell him, tell him that's.

1197
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 8: Right, baby.

1198
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 4: Where are you fighting these guys?

1199
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 6: Are you going to some like form or like it's

1200
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 6: like Mma nerds where you just like fruiting these guys?

1201
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 4: What the hell are you doing?

1202
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 5: Well, it's not as though there haven't been some misses,

1203
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 5: but I have this queue of Anakin Florian podcast listeners

1204
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 5: that are dying to come on here and either represent

1205
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 5: me or go head to head with you, and uh,

1206
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 5: you know it's working out.

1207
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 4: But yeah, guy like Jimmy who.

1208
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 5: The other thing too, is when I get these East

1209
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 5: Coast guys while Ken flows sleeping or tending to his daughter,

1210
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 5: these guys are up studying all morning.

1211
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 4: Uh you know it's an advantage.

1212
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 6: I had a rough start to this year for my

1213
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 6: picks and I just haven't been able to recover. But

1214
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 6: another six months left or so so it's not completely

1215
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 6: yeah gone, but.

1216
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 5: All right, So back to UFC two twenty four. So

1217
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 5: Kelvin Gastelim, this guy's becoming one of my favorite fighters.

1218
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 5: I'm not even supposed to say that, but I just

1219
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 5: love how relaxed he is Kenny during fight week, and

1220
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 5: I think some part of that is there's no weight

1221
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 5: cutting anxiety now competing as a middleweight, but he just

1222
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 5: has this pension for rising to the occasion on fight night.

1223
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 5: And I know there are a lot of people out

1224
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 5: there that don't like the word clutch in professional sports

1225
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 5: fighting I think is a little bit different, but I

1226
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 5: think he has this sort of clutch gene and so

1227
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 5: many skills to go with it, and the strength and

1228
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 5: conditioning now and the understanding at twenty six instead of

1229
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 5: twenty one that you know, McDonald's isn't necessarily the way.

1230
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 5: I just think even some slight changes that he has

1231
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 5: made progressively over five years in the UFC are paying

1232
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 5: huge dividends. And I might cry if he gets a

1233
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 5: belt around his waist, That's how happy I'd be for

1234
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 5: this kid.

1235
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 6: Kelvin is a gamer. He showed it in the finale

1236
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 6: of The Ultimate Fighter. Really throughout that show.

1237
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 4: Wasn't he like one of the last to be picked,

1238
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 4: maybe the last, I think, so last pick here.

1239
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, one, the whole thing dominated, really the whole tournament,

1240
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 6: and we kind of knew we had something special. I

1241
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 6: don't know if we realize how special a fighter he is.

1242
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 6: Has done it a job in two weight classes, heart determination,

1243
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 6: chin skills, improving as a martial artist. So yeah, I'm

1244
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 6: really blown away by Calvin. And again, like I said before,

1245
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 6: he's knocking on the door to be a champion at

1246
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 6: one hundred and eighty five pounds.

1247
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 5: Hafa Al Cordero trained tenth Plane at Jiu Jitsu, a

1248
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 5: lot of good people with Kelvin Gaslam as well, and

1249
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 5: I would like to see his next fight be for

1250
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 5: the championship. You know, he has two wins since the

1251
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 5: Chris Wadman fight, right, He's distanced himself from that incredibly,

1252
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 5: I think with the Bisping knockout obviously quickly, which he

1253
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 5: was supposed to do on paper, and then beating jacka

1254
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,959
Speaker 5: day So's by split decision or otherwise. So he thought

1255
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 5: and said during fight week that he felt like you

1256
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 5: finished Jockaray, you get the title fight. I think he

1257
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 5: should get the title fight, and I hope that he

1258
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 5: gets it. And I think for Jakaday Kenny, thirty eight

1259
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 5: years old, you know, he was staring at retirement with

1260
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 5: the torn peck and the appendicitis and everything else, and

1261
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 5: I think it was the championship aspiration that may be

1262
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,959
Speaker 5: resulted in him sticking around. I think, short of being

1263
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 5: so happy in his new digs in Orlando that he

1264
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 5: wants to see if he can, you know, keep it

1265
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 5: going for a few more I just I think that

1266
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 5: we're just gonna have to be happy with the amazing

1267
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 5: legendary career of Jacques d Sozo, but it's gonna be

1268
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 5: without a UFC title.

1269
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, And it's unfortunate because I really felt like

1270
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 6: he had much more potential. I think, you know, he

1271
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 6: moves really well on the ground. You know, everyone talks

1272
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 6: about his athleticism, but boy, is he too stiff on

1273
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 6: his feet. It just seems like he's just a little

1274
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 6: bit too robotic, which takes away from his speed, takes

1275
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 6: away from his ability to really be competent with his defense.

1276
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 4: And yeah, again, he's thirty eight years old at this point.

1277
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, an amazing career, legendary Brazilian dutes to competitor one

1278
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 6: of the greatest to ever do it period. That is not,

1279
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 6: you know, uh, an exaggeration. This guy is one of

1280
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 6: the greatest Brazilian jutes to competitors ever. You look at

1281
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 6: his look at his pedigree, look at what he's done

1282
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 6: into sport, and then come in and be as dominant

1283
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 6: as he was in mixed martial arts with you know

1284
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 6: not a huge knowledge of the striking game is very impressive.

1285
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 6: So Jock Ray has nothing to be embarrassed about, and

1286
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 6: you know, definitely we'll go down as a ledge, all right.

1287
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 5: Mackenzie Dern from one jiu jitsu legend to the next

1288
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 5: A lot to get to with Mackenzie Dern. She dominated

1289
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 5: the headlines obviously before UFC two twenty four by weighing

1290
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 5: in at one hundred and twenty three point four pounds

1291
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 5: for a straweight fight limit one hundred and sixteen pounds.

1292
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 4: She showed up in Rio Dejonaro at one hundred.

1293
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 5: And forty pounds and all reports and indicators are that

1294
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 5: she really wasn't training all that much for this fight.

1295
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,959
Speaker 5: She was invited to leave the MMA lab by John

1296
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 5: Crouch did some training in California reports are she didn't

1297
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 5: really spar at all for this fight, and I think

1298
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 5: walked in there sort of maybe physically to a lot

1299
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 5: of people looking like she hadn't prepared for the fight.

1300
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 4: But man, if she starts preparing for these, I think

1301
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 4: we might have something.

1302
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1303
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,959
Speaker 6: And again, if Amanda Cooper was angry before the fight,

1304
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 6: she's probably even angry after, you know, you know what

1305
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 6: I mean. It's just like, ah, she's gonna come in

1306
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 6: all those eight pounds heavier than me on the scale. Well,

1307
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 6: you know what, I'm gonna kick your ass anyway. And

1308
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 6: then she gets knocked down and gets choked and it's like, well,

1309
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 6: you know, that was a rough one.

1310
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 4: And again it's I'm a huge Mackenzie Dern fan.

1311
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 6: You cannot show up seven pounds heavier than your opponent

1312
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 6: on the scale.

1313
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 4: It's just it's something you shouldn't do.

1314
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 6: I think for Mackenzie, she has a lot of maturing

1315
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 6: to do, and I think she's an excellent martial artist.

1316
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 4: She has to get focused and she has to realize.

1317
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 6: First and foremost, this is a dangerous sport and you

1318
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 6: have one bad fight, and if you don't prepare properly,

1319
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 6: you can get hurt and you could probably not look

1320
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 6: the same after a fight. And you would hope that

1321
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 6: after that first fight, that first difficult fight against Ashley Yoder,

1322
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 6: that we were gonna see a more mature Mackenzie Dern.

1323
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 6: I'm more dedicated, a more committed Mackenzie Dern, and we

1324
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 6: just didn't see.

1325
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 4: That, which is unfortunate. I mean, she's a sweet person.

1326
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 6: She comes from a martial arts family, She's been competing

1327
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 6: her whole life. She knows what it takes to get

1328
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 6: to an elite level. This is where you can't be satisfied.

1329
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 6: This is where you need to take it to that

1330
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 6: next level. And again, that comes from a certain passion

1331
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 6: and love for the game, and you start to question, well,

1332
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 6: does she love it enough? Is she really here for

1333
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 6: the right reasons? And I hope that she is, and

1334
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 6: I hope that she realizes she is, because there is

1335
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 6: so much work that needs to happen to be a

1336
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 6: world champion in anything. So it was unfortunate to see

1337
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 6: that on weigh in day. Obviously there was a lot

1338
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 6: of you know, talk about that. Hopefully that was kind

1339
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 6: of her reflection to say, you know what, I gotta

1340
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 6: get my act together.

1341
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 4: I gotta be more of a professor. Yeah, and we'll see.

1342
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 4: Only time will tell.

1343
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 6: But you know, for her, this was hopefully a learning

1344
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 6: lesson for her, and the UFC, I'm sure kind of

1345
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 6: needs to put their foot down. I'm sure gave her

1346
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 6: an earful to let her know this is this is

1347
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 6: not acceptable.

1348
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 7: Right.

1349
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you think of the UFC is happy, you

1350
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 5: got another thing coming. A lot of people can suggest

1351
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 5: that Mackenzie Duram might need a loss, but I think

1352
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 5: it's fair for you to ask is she in this

1353
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,439
Speaker 5: sport for the right reasons? And maybe a loss will

1354
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 5: allow her to crystallize that and ask that question. But

1355
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 5: going out and dusting Amanda Cooper in a few seconds

1356
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 5: isn't going to necessarily lead her down a path that

1357
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 5: makes her think she needs to put in these arduis

1358
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 5: six or eight week training camps. I mean, a lot

1359
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 5: of people are calling her the female BJ Penn, you know,

1360
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 5: just not you know, obviously there's a lot of natural ability,

1361
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 5: and you know, some have suggested that BJ Penn in

1362
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 5: his prime at one hundred and fifty five pounds, not

1363
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 5: the top five guys like you, but BJ Pen could

1364
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 5: show up with a whole lot of pre fight preparation

1365
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 5: and as long as he can, you know, battle the

1366
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 5: fight before the fight on Friday, beat almost anybody in

1367
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 5: the world without doing a lot of the things that

1368
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 5: other fighters need to do, just to try to close

1369
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 5: that gap.

1370
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, and again, bj was able to do that when early,

1371
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 6: kind of early in the sport, early in the in

1372
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 6: the mixed martial arts days, where you know, people weren't

1373
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 6: so good at everything.

1374
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 4: But isn't it early for McKenzie? Exactly right? And that's

1375
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 4: exactly what I was going to get to.

1376
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 6: It's the same thing here with mackenzie where she can

1377
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 6: get away with this because you know, the women's divisions

1378
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 6: haven't been around for so long. So but you know what,

1379
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 6: there's other people that are getting very talented or getting

1380
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 6: a lot better, you know, who can maybe deal with

1381
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 6: that submission game by just stopping the takedowns like a

1382
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 6: Tatiana Suarez is. She's able to stop those takedowns and

1383
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 6: keep it on the feet and all all those things.

1384
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 6: And guess what, you can never win a title if

1385
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 6: you don't make weight, if you don't make championship weight, right.

1386
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 4: So you know she's she's got some work to do.

1387
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 4: She's got some work to do. Yeah, well we'll see

1388
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 4: what McKenzie dedur and chooses to do.

1389
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 5: You know, she has said from the beginning, Kenny, that

1390
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 5: she wanted to come in, win a UFC championship, defend

1391
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 5: it once, and go back to Brazilian jiu jitsu. And

1392
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 5: you know, she is a very strong willed, strong minded

1393
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 5: woman who wants to do what she's going to do.

1394
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 4: I think in a lot of respects.

1395
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 5: And you know, she literally she's crying, Kenny as they're

1396
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 5: announcing her name, and then she just goes out and destroys.

1397
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 5: I mean, you talk about a big game, prime time

1398
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 5: player like she is very much that, you know, like

1399
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 5: she had to deal with a lot of shit. She

1400
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 5: put it all on herself. But once the bright lights

1401
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,919
Speaker 5: come on, it's like unbelievable.

1402
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 6: And that's the value of competing thousands of time. There's

1403
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 6: certainly hundreds of times on the mat in Brazilian jiu jitsu,

1404
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 6: several hundred, maybe a thousand matches or more. With how

1405
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 6: she's been competing, how much he's gonna be competing. But

1406
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 6: you know, for for her, she is very talented, and

1407
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 6: you know, we got to talk about.

1408
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 4: Her performance as well.

1409
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 6: It was a tremendous performance she did certainly did not

1410
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 6: take the same amount of damage she did against Ashley Yoder.

1411
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 6: You know, she was able to land from the outside.

1412
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 6: She wasn't, you know, just kind of sitting in the pocket.

1413
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 6: She was moving her feet a little bit better. Still

1414
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 6: needs to move her head a lot better. But Amanda

1415
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 6: Bobby Cooper was supposed to be the better striker. She

1416
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 6: was the one who ate that huge shot. It was

1417
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 6: a beautiful overhand landed right on the chin, and you

1418
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 6: just knew if Mackenzie got her on the mat. I mean,

1419
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 6: anybody in that division, if Mackenzie gets you on the mat,

1420
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 6: you're probably gonna be tapping shortly after. So it was

1421
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 6: an excellent performance from Mackenzie. But still you have to

1422
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 6: look at what happened before that. Hopefully Mackenzie is doing

1423
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 6: that and just is better about her diet and her

1424
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 6: professionalism in preparation for a fight.

1425
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 5: No doubt, Amanda Cooper can box new striking coach Russian

1426
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 5: gentleman by the name of Max I believe. So she's

1427
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 5: been with him for about four months, I think four

1428
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 5: times a week. But I think maybe she was a

1429
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 5: little bit overconfident in terms of her striking advantage against

1430
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 5: someone as naturally gifted as Mackenzie darn. I have one

1431
01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 5: quick thing on jiu jitsu, because if I don't ask

1432
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 5: it now, before we get to Vitor Belfort and Lioto

1433
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 5: and Lineker and everybody else, I won't get back to it.

1434
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 5: So you know, I love submissions. I love when fights

1435
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 5: end by submission. I find it to be the most

1436
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 5: fascinating way for these fights to end. So you had

1437
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 5: Cesar Mutanshi Fejeda choking out Carl Robertson unconscious, right with

1438
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 5: an arm triangle. A guy in Robertson, if you know

1439
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 5: anything about that guy not the tap in type, like,

1440
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 5: you're gonna have to choke him to sleep, and Mutanci

1441
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,439
Speaker 5: was able to do so. Alexiolenik with an Ezekiel choke,

1442
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 5: which we will certainly get to Mackenzie Dern with just

1443
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 5: trade mark jiu jitsu with the rear naked choke. Marcus Perez,

1444
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 5: a Damien Maya trained fighter, getting a big submission win

1445
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 5: again against James Baknavik, who is also a jiu jitsu

1446
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 5: fighter under Luis Claudio. Right, So that's that's a nice

1447
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 5: submission for me too, when you can submit a jiu

1448
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 5: jitsu guy, it's just nice for me to see that

1449
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 5: jiu jitsu still has a place here. And I think,

1450
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna put this right, Kenny, but I feel

1451
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 5: like more than some of the other arts, when when

1452
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 5: you're when you're really dominant for some of these guys,

1453
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 5: like for Davi Hamosh right, he is so so confident

1454
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 5: that if he gets any of these lightweights in the

1455
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 5: world to the mat with enough time on the clock,

1456
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 5: that it is game over. And it's all he said

1457
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 5: during fight week, and it was very much game over

1458
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 5: for him against Nick Han And I don't know, it's

1459
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 5: nice to see jiu jitsu coming back a little bit, right.

1460
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 4: There's levels to this game.

1461
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 6: There's levels to this game in a variety of ways,

1462
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 6: obviously with there being so many different modalities and striking

1463
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 6: Brazilian jujitsu all that stuff. Right, So, Davi Hamos has

1464
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 6: been one of the top competitors in the world. You

1465
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 6: look at the Mackenzie Darns, the Jackaray Sosa is all that.

1466
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 6: You know, there's such a huge difference between being a

1467
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 6: Brazilian jujitsu practitioner and a Brazilian Jitsu black belt, and

1468
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 6: there's an even larger difference between a Brazilian Jitsu black

1469
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 6: belt and a world class Brazilian Jitsu black belt, and

1470
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 6: then you have the world champion black belt. There's there's

1471
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 6: many different levels and you could see it. And I

1472
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,919
Speaker 6: also feel like, you know, the sport is evolving so much.

1473
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 6: Brazilian jujitsu is evolving so much, as is mixed Marshall.

1474
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 6: There's so much knowledge out there, and I think it's

1475
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 6: a knowledge based game. That's what people forget. It's like

1476
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 6: some people think about, well, I gotta just train harder, bro,

1477
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 6: I just gotta go hard. No, it's a knowledge based

1478
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 6: game and there's superior knowledge out there. If you're getting

1479
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 6: that superior knowledge, you're going to have an advantage over

1480
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 6: your opponents. And I think that this sport is getting

1481
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 6: better and you just have to seek out that knowledge.

1482
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 6: And you could see the difference with someone who is

1483
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 6: good on the ground and someone that is elite on

1484
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 6: the ground, and that goes with anything, whether it's striking

1485
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 6: or wrestling. There's levels to this man and it's great

1486
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 6: to see Brazilian jujitsu understand the mixed martial arts approach

1487
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 6: a little bit better and be able to take advantage

1488
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 6: of it.

1489
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 5: So how about this Alexio lennok and this is Ezekiel choke?

1490
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 5: Is this not the most incredible thing in the world.

1491
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 5: I mean, if you heard my call, it was just like,

1492
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 5: oh my god.

1493
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 4: And it doesn't matter.

1494
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 6: It doesn't matter if he gets you know, he just

1495
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 6: literally just flops to his back like like a sack

1496
01:06:59,080 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 6: of potato.

1497
01:06:59,640 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 4: Just fall.

1498
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 6: He'll let you mount, you, let you get the half

1499
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 6: guard in guard, doesn't matter. He's gonna tap you out

1500
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 6: in thirty seconds. He's covered in blood. And let's actually

1501
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 6: go before the fight.

1502
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 5: So I you know, I talk to American top teams

1503
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 5: Dan Lambert, a great guy by the way, after the fight,

1504
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 5: and this guy Alexia.

1505
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 4: Lena can barely walk Kenny. Okay, let's be honest about this.

1506
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 5: Can we please write like like you should see the

1507
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 5: guy warm up right right, limping around, takes a couple punches,

1508
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 5: blood bath right like, bloodied up in thirty seconds right

1509
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 5: in this fight, pulls guard and gets this Ezekiel choke.

1510
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 5: Going on a jiu jitsu brown belt in junior baby Albini,

1511
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 5: I can't speak extensively on his jiu jitsu background. I

1512
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 5: don't think Albini's super long on jiu jitsu tournament experience,

1513
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 5: but people are just so dismissive even in training at

1514
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 5: att of this Ezekiel choke. You know, I had Jimmy Smith,

1515
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 5: my broadcast partner, put me in an Ezekiel choke so

1516
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 5: I could sort of feel I guess maybe the back

1517
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,919
Speaker 5: of the hand on the throat or whatever. It's not pleasant. Yeah, dude,

1518
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 5: what is going on with this ezekiel choke?

1519
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 4: Man? He has an unusual amount of strength to be

1520
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 4: able to do it.

1521
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 6: He's got long forearms elbow to wrist length in order

1522
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 6: to do it and pull it off. And it's just

1523
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 6: one of those moves that he knows extremely well. He

1524
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 6: knows it better than everyone, and it's not something you

1525
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,679
Speaker 6: see every day in combat. You know, anytime you're seeing

1526
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 6: something for the first time, you're probably not going to

1527
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 6: respond so well to it. And he's bringing in this

1528
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 6: weapon into the Mixed Martial Arts rum that guys just

1529
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 6: really haven't seen and aren't prepared for, and he's landing it.

1530
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 4: This is the second time that he's landed in the UFC.

1531
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:36,719
Speaker 4: Just amazing stuff.

1532
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 6: The first time he did it from the mount, blew

1533
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 6: everybody away, and you'd think, you know, if you're watching

1534
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,759
Speaker 6: and getting ready for someone like Alexi Olenk, you're.

1535
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 4: Like, okay, wash out for the Ezekiel.

1536
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 6: That's really the only thing he brings to the table

1537
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 6: as far as danger where he can finish the fight,

1538
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:53,759
Speaker 6: and you're still.

1539
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 4: Getting contnent man, Yeah, unbelievable.

1540
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 5: Well, and he is an underrated striker. I would say

1541
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 5: that because most of the focus is on the submission game.

1542
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 5: But you're right, and this is the guy. He made

1543
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 5: his pro debut at nineteen years old when I was

1544
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 5: a senior in high school in nineteen ninety seven. He

1545
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 5: has finished all of his UFC wins. He has finished

1546
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 5: his last fifteen wins overall. This was his forty first

1547
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 5: win by submission eleven different variations, his eleventh career Ezekield choke.

1548
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 5: He's a father of five, ages two to sixteen. I'm

1549
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 5: kind of reading my fighter card here because I did

1550
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 5: want to mention because we only touched on it on

1551
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 5: the broadcast that I don't know if you know Kenny here,

1552
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 5: we probably talked about it at the time. Alexi Olynic's

1553
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 5: daughter Paulina attending Marjorie Stolleman Douglas, which was the site

1554
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 5: of the one of the most deadly shootings in American

1555
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 5: history back on Valentine's Day, and he got the text from.

1556
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 4: His daughter that said, there's been a shooting at my school,

1557
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 4: and he wrote this piece about it.

1558
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 5: You know, nothing in fifty two pro fights was as

1559
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 5: terrifying as the text, you know, daddy, there's a shooting

1560
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 5: at my school. And thankfully she was okay and hard

1561
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 5: to work that into an MMA fight over the weekend,

1562
01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:01,479
Speaker 5: but it was just a crazy involvement for Olenok and

1563
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 5: needless to say, pretty happy for him and his family.

1564
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 5: And I think that's his wife actually, who corners him

1565
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 5: as well. Yes, yeah, so well that brings us to

1566
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 5: John Lineker and your analysis on this. If you go

1567
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 5: back and listen to it, I mean everything you said

1568
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 5: that was gonna play out in this lenekar Keller her fight,

1569
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 5: that's largely the way that it played out. Leneker, you know,

1570
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 5: he's got some of that gasolom Chin thing going as well,

1571
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 5: but he's just got so much power and so much ability,

1572
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 5: and now he's got eight wins in his last nine.

1573
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 4: Leneker just hits so unusually hard for that division.

1574
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 6: It's amazing and keller Hurt is very tough and we

1575
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 6: knew he was gonna be tough and hang in there

1576
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 6: for as long as possible. But you can't eat that

1577
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 6: many combinations. Keller Her is one of those guys you

1578
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 6: can rely on to be very exciting, but if he

1579
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 6: wants to have a longer career, he can't do that.

1580
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 6: He can't do that. He's got to preserve his body,

1581
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 6: preserve his brain a little bit and just be more

1582
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 6: defensively responsible, move his head a little bit better, be

1583
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 6: able to get in and get out without needing so

1584
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 6: many shots. You know, Lineker just kept the pressure on

1585
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 6: going to the body. I mean those were brutal shots

1586
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 6: opening up the head. In the end, kept going with

1587
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 6: the same combination and uh in the end, keller Her

1588
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 6: you know, had to drop those hands because he didn't

1589
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 6: know whether he was going to the body or not.

1590
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,679
Speaker 6: Decided to kind of block down low. He went upstairs

1591
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 6: with that left hook, taking him out beautifully. And uh yeah,

1592
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 6: another win in another knockout win for John Lineker. And

1593
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 6: I looked out at the wrong time because I missed

1594
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 6: it in real time. Don't don't listen back to it.

1595
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 5: But I looked down and was fact checking something I

1596
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 5: think at the time on Keller Her because I think

1597
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 5: I might have said Dana White's Tuesday I Contender series

1598
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 5: and it was actually Dana White looking for a fight

1599
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 5: or something. And you gotta be careful to look down

1600
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,560
Speaker 5: for a second you miss a knockout like that. No

1601
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 5: bonus for John Lineker, but again, a big fight away, Tim,

1602
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 5: And I know the Diyla show fight was eye opening

1603
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 5: for a lot of people and and just how one

1604
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 5: sided at times it was. But uh, maybe John Lineker

1605
01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 5: will get to a title fight at one point in time.

1606
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:01,719
Speaker 5: I think he's good enough to do it. That brings

1607
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 5: us to Lioto the Dragon Macheda against Vitor Belforda, and

1608
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 5: this is certainly one for the highlight reel for Lioto

1609
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 5: Machidah and we felt like Kenny, this was the type

1610
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 5: of fight that we could get and if it went

1611
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 5: fifteen minutes that it had the potential to not be

1612
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 5: very exciting because Vtor has sort of been rendered a

1613
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,759
Speaker 5: counter striker at this stage of his career and Lioto

1614
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 5: has to exercise some patience to get his thing going.

1615
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 5: But Lioto certainly capitalized on a pretty small opening there

1616
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 5: and closed the show emphatically shades of V Tour, you know,

1617
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 5: seven years ago against Anderson Silva.

1618
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1619
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 6: Absolutely, And for Macheedah again just looked really, really good.

1620
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 6: You could tell from the beginning of that fight that

1621
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 6: he looked very confident and comfortable. He looked very relaxed,

1622
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 6: but he was on his game. There's a certain look

1623
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 6: to Machedah when Macha is on. He just looked really

1624
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 6: really focused, and bell Ford did not. He didn't look

1625
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 6: as confident. It looked like he was really kind confused

1626
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 6: out there, as many people are when they fight someone

1627
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 6: like a Liota.

1628
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:04,719
Speaker 4: Micheta.

1629
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 6: Wasn't able to really cut off the cage, which you

1630
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 6: have to do, and how do you typically do that.

1631
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,600
Speaker 6: You do that with leg kicks. You do that with

1632
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 6: your ability to kind of cut off that lateral movement

1633
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 6: that Machita loves to use.

1634
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 4: Bellefort wasn't doing that.

1635
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 6: It seemed like he was kind of very singular in

1636
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 6: his approach, which you can't be against Macheta. Micheta will

1637
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 6: figure you out and you are in trouble, and that's

1638
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 6: exactly what Machita did.

1639
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 4: Bellefort was a little bit low.

1640
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 6: Michita went with that front kick knockout, landed it beautifully

1641
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,600
Speaker 6: there on Belfort and that was it.

1642
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,799
Speaker 4: Man, just lovely stuff.

1643
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 5: So for Liota Machida, he then got on the microphone

1644
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 5: and he had said but to us before the fight,

1645
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 5: that he sort of fight to fight at this point

1646
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 5: in time and really doesn't want to put too much

1647
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 5: on his plate, but also doesn't want to, you know,

1648
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 5: just be dismissive of his own chances right to necessary

1649
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 5: contend or whatever. But then he goes and calls out

1650
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 5: Michael Bisping, who's just looking for a retirement fight. Everybody

1651
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 5: wants that Bisbaning fight Kenny obviously, everybody's calling out the

1652
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 5: one eyed fighter. This one maybe would have legs Machida

1653
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 5: and Bisping. Is that a fight that that you think

1654
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 5: is gonna happen? Or because your Mike's friend, you don't

1655
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 5: even want to get into it.

1656
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 6: No, listen, I think Mike's done. I think Mike has done,

1657
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 6: not based on anything he's told me or on his career.

1658
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 6: I just think he's done everything. What else does he

1659
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 6: need to accomplish at this point? I think Mike has

1660
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 6: had one of the most impressive careers out of any

1661
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 6: anybody out there, ultimate fighter, competitor or not, he's a

1662
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 6: champion in this sport. I don't think there's any any

1663
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 6: reason for him to compete after Machida. You know what,

1664
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 6: There's gonna be another guy who calls him out, and

1665
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:51,639
Speaker 6: in another one, another one. You can't just go out

1666
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 6: there and respond to every single fighter out there. And

1667
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 6: while it would make sense if Mike was going to

1668
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,839
Speaker 6: fight again, I think that's a fight that would make sense. However,

1669
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 6: you know, in my opinion, I think we have seen

1670
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 6: Michael Bisbeine compete.

1671
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 4: For the last time.

1672
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, So Machida will get somebody in. He's

1673
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 5: got a two fight winning streak at a time when

1674
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 5: not a lot of people thought machidah could get back

1675
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 5: to that type of streak. So good on the Dragon

1676
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 5: and Kenny and I know him well and know that

1677
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 5: he's one of the best human beings out there. So

1678
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,560
Speaker 5: good for Lioto and maybe that extended break that he

1679
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 5: was forced to go through because of the USADA stuff

1680
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 5: will end up being something that prolongs his career. On

1681
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 5: the other side of vetur belfourt Kenny, all indications are

1682
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 5: that he's done and certainly a guy who contributed so

1683
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 5: much to this sport, a guy who's gonna be in

1684
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,680
Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame, and for you and me on

1685
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 5: a personal level, for us to be there in twenty thirteen,

1686
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 5: which was the year of vtour, for those three knockouts

1687
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 5: of rock Hold, Bisping, and Dan Henderson some special days, man,

1688
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 5: and I was getting a little bit emotional seeing go

1689
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 5: out there for the last time.

1690
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 6: I remember when he was at Carlson Gracie was maybe

1691
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 6: he was a brown belt at the time, and he

1692
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 6: competed in an event in Hawaii and he just massacred

1693
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 6: this other heavyweight fighter who had competed previously in the

1694
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 6: UFC named John Hess and he just destroyed him.

1695
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 4: And how did he do it with jiu jitsu? Right wrong?

1696
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 6: He actually did it with striking. I was like, who

1697
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 6: the hell is this guy? He looked like an absolute savage.

1698
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 6: Came into the UFC at nineteen years old and did

1699
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 6: the exact same thing that he did in Hawaii, and

1700
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 6: I was like, man, this guy is something else.

1701
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 4: He's something special.

1702
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 6: Was a phenomenal athlete, you know, absolutely lived up to

1703
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 6: that Moniker the phenom and had a lot of great

1704
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 6: fights in the UFC in.

1705
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 4: Pride, and he's a legend.

1706
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 7: You know.

1707
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 6: You could talk about all the controversial things that happened

1708
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 6: throughout his career, but he absolutely is a pioneer that

1709
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 6: should be respected.

1710
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 4: No doubt about it.

1711
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 5: And that is an era that he ended up being

1712
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,560
Speaker 5: the poster child for, if you want to call it,

1713
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 5: the TRT era, and certainly chill Sonnon's name in that mix.

1714
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 5: You know, but when you talk about twenty thirteen and

1715
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 5: some people put up an asterisk next to the three

1716
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 5: wins that I just reference and say, you know, well

1717
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 5: that's the Dirty V Tour era or whatever. Well, if

1718
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Speaker 5: that's the Dirty V Tour era, then Dirty V Tour

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01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 5: is the greatest, most devastating striker in UFC history, right, Like,

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01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 5: I've never seen anything like what we saw with V Tour,

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01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 5: right in some of those knockouts and the nature of them.

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Speaker 5: So I guess we'll leave it at that on vtor

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01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 5: bell Ford and we got to get out of here.

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Speaker 5: So thanks to our guest Ray Longo and of course

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01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 5: Jimmy on the picks. I'd love to go take a nap,

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Speaker 5: but you know, fatherhood Beck and so we're not going

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Speaker 5: to go take a nap.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad I don't have jiu jitsu class. Do you

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01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 4: have jiu jitsu class tonight?

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Oh yeah, I am teaching a couple classes tonight. Excited.

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01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 6: Everything's been going awesome over at Maroaki Man, So yeah,

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01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 6: thank you. I'm getting you that T shirt too.

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01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 5: I need a May Rocky BJJ T shirt. I do

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01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 5: not want a Battlebot's T shirt, but I do have

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01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 5: it on my DVR. It's on the Discovery Channel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Season three is off and running May Rocky BJJ. My

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01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 5: jiu jitsu classes Tuesday, six pm.

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Speaker 4: You better, you better go this week, dude. Just rest up,

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01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,679
Speaker 4: Rest up though. Yeah, I haven't been in a long time.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 4: I don't think this is gonna be the week that

1744
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:11,719
Speaker 4: I go back to it. You know what I'm gonna

1745
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 4: go do.

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01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go look at real estate in Monmouth, New Jersey,

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01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 5: where there's gonna be a live sports book by the

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01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 5: end of the weekend. Okay, that's what I'm gonna Thanks

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Speaker 5: to our Fox Sports crew behind the glass for the flow.

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01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 5: I'm John Anak. I appreciate everybody listening today and dealing

1751
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Speaker 5: with me. I'm tongue tied. Of course, I'm under slept.

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Speaker 5: We will talk to you in less than a week.

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Speaker 5: Until then, have a great one later.

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