WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Seeing Red; Sense Of Urgency 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:05.400 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:16.799 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:20.599 screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Headloars at the 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:32.600 Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Bravis, Rob 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:38.280 Phillips and Bill Jones. What's up. Welcome into Talking Cowboys 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:43.239 inside the SWBC Mortgage studio. I am Rob Phillips, not 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.240 Bill Jones. He should be here in a few minutes. 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:49.280 Traffic from South Lakes tough, Brian. Yeah, I thought he 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.280 had a helicopter to get him. It's got a Jerry copter. 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:55.279 Jerry copter. Yeah, he does make TV money, he does 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.279 do well. One of those air buses, Go get you one, 0:00:58.280 --> 0:00:59.520 if you can get one of those, by the way, 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.040 airbus like the airstream now it's yeah, it's it's the 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:06.160 company that makes the helicopter. Airbus. They make they make 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.880 they make arrow they make airplanes too. I was gonna 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:11.760 say arrow something. I was gonna use the wrong word. 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:19.679 I'm just so poorly educated. Yeah, university. Okay, Hey, my 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:23.959 dad he turned out all right, Yes, your dad's good man. Yeah, 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:28.280 all right, welcome in. Mickey should be joining us fairly soon. 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:29.880 I believe we can have a really we have a 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:33.240 good three minute show, right and let's let's solve these 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:35.959 gold line problems. That's where I was going to start with, 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.560 because you know, Jerry was asked about it sure on 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.240 the fan this morning, and yeah, I don't know if 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:43.840 he had any solutions that he divulged to one oh 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:47.880 five three doesn't, But I mean, do we I don't. 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.200 All I know is that it's gotten. You asked a 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:53.080 really good question pre show to me, what's that? Do 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:54.760 you feel like that they can run the football to 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.840 get in? Yeah, and they don't. If you're if you're 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.040 running plays that are trying to boy, we're having fun 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.320 with Kit as he's flipping these camera around, really flipping 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.000 the flip around for me a getting Kit. One time 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:09.200 there were going flipping back to Rob. There we go, Yeah, 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:11.200 there we go. Okay, I was just kind of noticing 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:12.600 another corner of my eye I thought he was doing 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:16.000 I'm like Mickey right now. Uh. But you know, if 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:20.119 you if you're having to run kind of scheme kind 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:22.960 of plays, if you're trying to run waggles and boots 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:27.079 and screens and whatever, you know, that that doesn't show 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:29.360 me that you have a lot of confident you're trying 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.200 you're trying to create opportunity, which I I you know, 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.679 Jerry also talked about being in the playoffs you have 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.720 to be creative, you know, and maybe this is their way. 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:43.840 They've they've run some creative plays to score, but they 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:47.520 haven't scored. That that's where that's where I think things 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.799 would be a little bit different for this team right now. 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:53.640 You know, you'd say Lenahan, all right, yeah, oh that's 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.280 that was pretty cool, and then they run the play 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:58.040 and then all of a sudden it doesn't work. And 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:00.239 then and then you got me on Twitter going or 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:04.200 the or Cowboy Nation going broadestly got too cute there, 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:06.760 that's a cute play. Don't run cute plays, you know 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:08.679 that kind of thing. Scott is in kind of a 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:12.040 no win situation. He's not Everybody wants him fired, gotten 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:14.959 on him about wrinkles all year long. Sure that's a 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:18.600 pretty good wrinkle to jamay'z Ola Wally, Yeah, who hasn't 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:20.960 touched the ball hardly at all this entire seat. That's 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.600 what made it so cool. Yeah, but he could catch 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.880 ol Wally could catch. He is what But you gotta 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:28.799 put the ball out there in front of him, Yes, 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.639 and you gotta put the ball on him there. That's 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.280 that's just you know, don't don't leave that one to 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.200 chance the ball on him and let him let him go. 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.040 So it could have been a better throw. Sure he 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.360 should have caught it. Should have caught it. Yeah, caught it. 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:43.520 But if you throw it at him, I think he 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:47.280 catches that ball, even if his feet his footwork was horrible. 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.840 He got all tangled up and you know, couldn't get 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:53.520 himself in position in the hands, he adjust and all that. 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:55.280 All that's got to be together when you're throwing the 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:59.880 ball that way. Hi, Mickey, where's everybody at? Tell me? Bill? 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.200 Bills in the airbus trying to get over here right 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.240 now the helicopter and the guys at the fan forgot 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.840 to dial me up. So yeah, it's late. I did 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.880 on paper a little. There's Bill and I together, got 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.400 some Yeah, we're on the air Bill d sugar maybe 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:17.120 on your chin there, it's probably my it's a napkin 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:20.080 because he didn't use his beard lube this morning. No 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:26.799 I did. Yeah, absolutely, eat some donuts fans, oh my gosh. 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:28.960 And I finished it so Bill didn't have to smell 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.880 it briefcase. Yeah, you talking to Mike Bill, that's kind 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:35.200 of what we did, is what you gut in there, Bob. Yeah, 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:40.200 Bob's got to get all this stuff out like that. Yeah, 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:45.280 Bob does with Billy, Bob. We we first time all year. 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.800 You've been later that the first time all year. I'm 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.480 I'm like on time, normal time, whatever. And I turn 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.160 on Legacy up here and it's backed up all the 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:58.360 way to the highway. No way, got ways, the app ways. 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:02.120 W A Z talked about ways. It's the best. I 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.920 was late to my own rehearsal wedding. I supposed to 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.400 use three single day. Yes, I use it from Frisco 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.520 ten minute drive. I use it every morning, just in 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:14.440 case there's another Legacy is not. That's the safer route 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.760 to go. It's never backed up. Don't take the legacy, No, no, 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:22.880 you can't. And so to hold on for to save 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:26.480 money here, I think, no, no, no, Fortunately, all the 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.000 back up so I was able to get out of it, 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:33.480 okay and go your way. Yeah I got And so 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.720 you take what you do is you take? Well, maybe 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.240 I don't didn't do it right. Maybe I took Dallas Parkway. 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:42.479 Now you take you take the tollway. You get off 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.600 on John Hickman because I got stuck at six lights 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.960 on the Dallas Parkway coming over. Then you come back 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:54.400 to doing the traffic report, talking routes, fucking routes. We're 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.720 on the air, right, Yeah, to cost you on the 0:05:57.760 --> 0:05:59.920 air for six minutes. Now it cost you another four 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.679 five cents. But it's a well spent forty five cents 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.960 a ze every day. Use it. Yeah, that's what my 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.520 daughters tell me. I had one time where I got 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:14.440 burned on that, and so all right, do it. It's 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.960 never failed me. Well, welcome Bill. Well, Hi, how's everybody doing. 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:21.400 How's everybody's fantasy football team doing. I was knocked out 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.640 six weeks ago. It's actually refreshing that no player. Yeah, 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.480 I'm one of those weird guys that don't play. I 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:31.040 used to not play, and I do it for social reasons. 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:34.159 We've got a neighborhood group and we started it up 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:37.000 about four or five years ago. And then I've got 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.920 a family one. You know, once the kids move out 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:41.840 of the house and stuff. It's a way to communicate 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.360 with Yep, that's the way to week we communicate. There 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:50.120 you go, and so congratulations to a loyal talking Cowboys listener, 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.320 my daughter Jordan who has made it to the championship 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.400 game with her victory last night. And guess who she 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:00.520 gets to play in the championship game? Danny owns. That 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:03.680 would be Berry Switzers. That would be my team, the 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:08.520 Barry Switzer Berry Switchers. Berry Switchers could have come up 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:10.080 with a more creative game, and that couldn't You have 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:13.640 always been the very switch all right, very good and 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:15.200 in fact I got two teams. It made it to 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:19.080 the championship game thanks to Christian McCaffrey and Alvin Kamara, 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:21.720 last two good players. There you go. You'd like to play? 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:23.640 Have those guys on your red zone team? How about 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:25.240 those two? We were talking about red zone before you 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.520 guys showed up. We're talking about what the problem, you know, 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.320 Jerry Jones was talking about. We don't know if anybody 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:33.480 really has a great answer here, because it's been different. 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.640 It's been a different thing. It's yeah, drops, it's been sacks. 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:39.320 It's been minus plays even on runs, which I don't 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.560 put that on the best running back in the league arguably, 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.120 Um I think it's really the offensive line. You think 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.320 that's the you think that's the main culprit here I 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.400 did the inconsistency of the offensive line with protection and 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:53.800 just also now and all the yeah, all the different 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.560 bodies they've had to throw in there. Um, you brought 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.120 up a good point. I mean, when you're trying to 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.800 do this this direction plays and creative things, yeah, you're not. 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.600 You're not lining up and just handing it. And sometimes 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:07.840 that's the look too. They're putting ten in the box, 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.320 which they did on third down down there, I mean 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:12.960 it was it was loaded. Yeah, maybe you try something 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.920 else based on the look, but I don't know. Nate 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:17.640 Newton will tell you in the nineties they didn't really 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:19.320 care what the front was. No, not real. Yeah, but 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.520 because they were really good. So you're they could blow 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:24.960 people off the line of scrimmage. These guys can't blow 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.400 people the line of scrimmage. What happened when they went 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:31.080 three three tight ends on fourth down? They ran the 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.000 blown up, They ran it to the left side. Yeah, 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:34.640 they went away from it. They went away from their strength. 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:36.920 It tells me they don't trust their three tight ends 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:40.319 blocking on the goal line. Okay, so it is the 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.720 offensive line, then I think that it that's we can 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:47.920 start there. Bill, How do the Colts score down there? 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:53.720 I'm assuming Eric Ebron has a lot of touchdowns? Yeah, zone, Yeah, 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.360 there's there's a tight end issue there. They ran it 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.840 in against the Cowboys, but it took them three times, 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.520 by the way, Yeah, against that defense that wasn't trying. 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:04.960 But when a tight end's got twelve touchdowns, you would 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.000 think that a lot of those touchdowns probably are within 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:10.240 creative ways of getting them the ball. But I mean, 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:13.280 it's just it's it's almost play to play because second 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.760 and six from the eight, because he gets a five 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.040 yard game almost scores. Yeah, Okay, when you're talking wait wait, 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.800 wait real quick, he's offensive line. Are you lack of 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.599 ten I'm going the lack of a Jason Witten like 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:27.439 player Jason went I mean, what was a bread and 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:31.840 butter play for this offense in twenty sixteen and seventeen 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.400 for that matter. Yeah, it's a play fake tight end 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.480 right there, right, and especially in the region, not so 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.360 much in gold and go situation. Right, but when you're 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:42.960 between the ten and the twenty, that's the perfect spot 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.240 you get inside the eighteen. Jason Witten was a killer, 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:48.360 right yeah, And so that's going to improve your red 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.439 zone right there, right, Okay, now you get into the 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:55.319 Golden Ran too, Yeah, there's yeah, with the back shoulder 0:09:55.360 --> 0:10:00.320 on those too much, too much reliant on twenty one 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.040 in four to score when they get inside the ten, 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.719 no one out. Who else is stepped up inside the 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:11.040 ten yards? Good point, And maybe part of what Indianapolis 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.079 was able to do scoring running the ball is the 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:16.240 thread of the tight end down there too, you know, 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.920 and and the threat of Witton or Bryant, you know, 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.400 will open up things maybe in the run game down 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.840 on the goal line where Zeke got fifteen touchdowns two 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:27.400 years ago. Down I mean, I think the guy that 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:31.480 has the best physical qualities to do what Dez did 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.959 inside the ten is probably Gallop, Yes, just don't know 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.240 that he's ready for it. That's a good point too, 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.720 because he can jump, he can get up. But having 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:46.080 said all of that, the offensive line is an issue obviously, 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.880 with especially the current state of the offensive line. Well, 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:52.280 Zach Martineau, I would say, yeah, number one, that push 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:55.360 up front, but they have been a lot better overall 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.559 in the running game, he said, plus five down there 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.679 running the ball right, gets in there, gets close, second down, 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:02.719 got into third and one zeke for five yards. That's 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:04.839 why it's just kind of maddening. It's like it's you 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:08.160 know and again. But it's not the only reason, because 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:12.120 there have been two or three drops in the passing 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.280 game that Noah Brown, I don't know if that was 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.400 a drop that that just kind of missed him because 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:21.079 of pressure basilely against Atlanta and then one the other day, 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:23.520 you know, or maybe it's a different story if those 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.520 guys catch the ball, but they're not just lining up 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.719 and like Mickey said, blowing people off the line of 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:32.480 scrimmage at the three yard line. Yeah, oldah Wally makes 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:34.559 that catch. They move up from the thirtieth in the 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:38.440 league and red zone to twenty ninth. Probably it's been 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:42.040 bad all year. No, that's you know, they're at the bottom. 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.160 And you hope that's not what kills you when you 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.720 get in the playoffs. No, it will, okay, all right, 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.280 mark it down, Yeah, because when you get in the playoffs, 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:56.079 any any short any shortcoming gets magnified exposed. Yeah. Is 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.240 that the worst thing that they do this football team, 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:03.000 is that the worst thing they do? Red zone efficiency yeah, yeah, 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.079 because they're ranked last I think or thirty first. Was 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.959 that a problem last year? Not to this extent, not 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:12.240 to the He's right about that. So what changed personnel? 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:15.040 We just talked about Witton and Bryant, and I know 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:18.000 Bryant didn't have as good as year Mickey Travis Frederick 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:22.160 that that's huge. Travis Frederick's huge. The fact that you're 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.000 you're you're playing with, you know, a backup guard and there. 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:26.920 I mean, I know that Martin's been there for a 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:31.480 lot of this, but there's there's something not quite right there. 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:34.040 And I think you're on it with the offensive line. 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:38.800 I think that's really But I like the Witton argument too. 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.480 I like the I like the availability of a tight end. 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.760 You know, I know that you know. And it's not 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:48.360 that these tight ends can't do the job, but there 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.040 is a trust factor between they don't know the back 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.000 in the tight end. Well, i'll tell you why. To 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.360 develop that. On the pass you through to Ola Wally, 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.959 you had Jarwin open on the back, then the back 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:01.640 the end zone. He just didn't throw it to him. 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.360 It just wasn't the one to design the ball was 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.520 to go to the flat, to go to the fullback, 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:09.439 and you know, but why not throw it to the fullback? 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.880 I mean, he's it should be an easy touchdown. No 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:17.440 one covered him. Do they red zone offense or pass protection? Overall? Well, 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:19.400 that was the second thing that popped into my mind, 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.920 because they're not the worst than anything defensively overall, that 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.079 this has been a very stout defensive group. We know 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:31.600 that how many sacks has DAC taken? Okay, area fifty one, 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:35.640 most in the league, second second most. Um, I just 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:41.440 read it. I think Deshaun Watson's taken Yeah, a couple 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.959 of games where he was broken in half those games. 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.000 I just I don't know. I'm trying to you know. 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:50.120 It seems like to me the I'm learning about this team. 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.719 If the defense doesn't play well, they don't win. And 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:54.880 the offensive line, which I thought they could hang their 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:56.839 hat on, you cannot hang your hat on them. Well 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:58.520 that's what I've learned about this team. I mean, think 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:01.120 about it. Your your Pro Bowl left tackles playing with 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:04.640 one arm basically, Yeah, the big old gadget he has 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:08.440 on the left. You were down to your third guard 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:12.000 at left guard, your backup center, you're backup right. Oh no, 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.760 I'm I'm I understand that. I mean, you know, at 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.720 some point those things matter. I I love the next 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:22.000 man up philosophy, but the reason the next man's coming 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:25.680 up is because he's not as good as the man Yeah, 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.960 and you can't have that spread out over the three 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.600 fifths of your offensive line. So one reason next man 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:33.640 up works when Sean Lee goes out this year is 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:35.800 because you got Layton Vander you had some man up. 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.640 Although yeah, but they did win some games with with 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:44.240 cam Fleming playing they did next Man, I know, and Nicky, 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:45.960 I'm not. I'm not against you on that when I 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:47.520 thought there were times where you know, I know you 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.560 had some apprehension. I was right with you on cam Fleming. 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:52.760 There was times where I'm watching him go, Man, I 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:54.360 don't know if this is the right way to go. 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.920 I don't know that, but you know he they survived that. 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.960 They they've survived with Sue Fie a plane. But you 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:02.960 know what, I think you can And do you tell 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.280 me if I'm wrong, because I ain't no offensive lineman, 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.440 but I think you can protect your left tackle. I 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.800 don't know that you can protect your guard. Not in 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.840 this day and age. You can't. It's out there by himself. Yeah, 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.800 let's be honest here, this is gonna this league is 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.360 gonna turn around where you're gonna see more Aaron Donald's 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:22.880 not maybe that talent, but you're gonna see more people 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.640 relying on defensive tackles in this in this football than 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:31.000 there are defensive ends. The defensive tackles affect the game 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:34.320 in the middle of the pocket. That's where these quarterbacks 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:36.760 the problem for them is not the edge. They can 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.120 handle the edge stuff. It's the middle of the pockets 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.280 that these quarterbacks can't handle because you can't climb it. No, 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.000 you watch next year. You watch how this kid Williams, 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.960 Quentin Williams from Alabama. He will be one of the 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.960 top guys selected. The guy, the guy at Michigan will 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.040 be one of the top guys selected. Because they're defensive tackles. 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.480 They affect the game. Look at what happened last night, 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.600 Yeah blitzing. Yeah, up the middle, Up the middle. These 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:02.720 quarter backs can't handle stuff come and happen in the middle. 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.040 They if they could see stuff on the edge, they 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:09.160 can deal with it. Take a step up, boom, Are 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:11.880 you see the guy? Or get rid of the ball. Yeah, 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.920 so hot, so that's kind of where I'm Mickey, I 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:17.200 believe it is taking it this way where you know, 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.400 look at what's happening inside with with with the center 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.000 and the guard. The center's played well, but he got 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.640 overmatched in that game. He did. He got overmatched a 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.720 couple of different times in that game that those holding 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.920 calls were bad holding calls. I mean it was holding. 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.280 It wasn't like he was, you know. And then Tyron Smith. 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.160 You know, Mickey's right, he's playing with one arm. But 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.120 sometimes one arm Tyron Smith is better than you know, 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.600 there's teams out there'd love to have one arm Tyron Smith. 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:43.920 I'll take it, but we're we're so used to Tyron 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:48.120 Smith just you know, just eliminating people. You know, it's 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:49.960 just it's been I think that's if you want to 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:51.600 if they go back and look at the season at 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:53.800 the end of it and maybe will one day as 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.680 you say, okay, what was what was the reason? What 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:58.680 was the reason? What were the biggest problems? Well, the 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:00.600 red zone problems a lobo. It has to do with 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:02.760 what's going on with the offensive line. How about when 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.280 they get down there and they give up sacks? You 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.000 know that, I mean, I saw a stat there there. 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.399 I don't know. Again pro football focus, you know, take 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.080 them or leaving whatever you want. But they're talking about 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:15.440 that Dak is one of the most sack quarterbacks without blitzing, 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.600 you know, with just just regular fore man rush. And 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:21.680 if you're if that's if you're getting sacked on foe 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:25.879 man rush, then there's some there's issues there. And again 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.040 people will say, oh, he's holding it too long, but 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.600 other guys not open them too. Yeah, that there's covered 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.840 sacks and I would argue two man route nobody gets open. Yeah. 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.240 And how many offensive holding calls have There been way 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:40.120 too many, way way too many. In fact, Jerry's talking 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.440 on the fan this morning. They were asking him about 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:45.080 the penalties and everything, and he's talking about, you got 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:46.920 to focus on the penalties. Well, a lot of time 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.919 those holding penalties, you're getting beat and that's why they're holding, 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:54.440 you know, and um, it comes back to what you 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.000 have playing, you know. Yeah, those aren't the guys you 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.680 intended when you put this team together. He's right off. 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:04.080 That's why when when you start analyzing the draft next year, yeah, 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.720 just keep your eye on offensive lineman. Sure, because as 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:11.119 they doubled down on the weak side linebacker. I think 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.440 they need to start doubling down on the offensive. You 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:15.600 know what's interesting about that. I mean they took a 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:19.880 offensive lineman in the second round, Connor Williams. And in fact, 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:21.920 there was a guy that they were looking at and 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.400 they could have taken in the first round James Daniels 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:29.040 center from Iowa. Yeah, it was with Chicago. But and 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.240 at the time, if you looked at him, you were like, 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:34.240 this is a walk in starter right here. They've they've 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:37.000 draft some plug and play guys exactly. But then you 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:39.600 look at it. How much do you have at the 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:41.720 time of the draft? Yeah, how much do you have 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.159 invested in this offensive line? There's no way you can 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:48.280 take an offensive lineman in the first round of this draft. 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:51.160 What are we talking about here in Week sixteen? Yeah, 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.000 there's still they got a chance to clinch the vision. 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:55.720 But we're talking about what's bicky mix A great point. 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:59.120 The offensive line could be the reason why you don't 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.320 have exactly. It's good. It's like like the same thing 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:06.280 the year before, where no, you can't take a wide receiver. 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:08.720 Why would you there said it wide receiver? You can't 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:10.440 take a wide receiver in the draft. Well, you could 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:12.840 have taken Juju Smith Schuster in the second round, sure 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:16.000 of that draft. And you know Dez falls off, okay, 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.440 and there was a desperate need for wide receivers this year. 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.639 As it turns out, Okay, it changes so quickly in 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:26.920 this league. You don't know. I mean, but Travis Frederick 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.520 that that hopefully he'll be able to return service. You 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.200 don't know when Gey and Barre syndrome hits a player, 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.400 you know, you don't know, and you don't know next year, right, 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:37.600 you don't know, So maybe you have to cover yourself 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:41.640 at center, kind of a center slash guard type guy. Think, 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:43.200 and they took the right guy in the first round, 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:45.800 like Vanderesh because they needed that. And I do think 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.040 Connor Williams is going to be a good player, a 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.960 very good player. You watch him when they get out 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.480 on the starting on the move, pulling like in the 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:55.600 run game they did the other day. He's great at that. 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:59.280 It's strength. We've talked about it. He could do and 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:01.280 you might be able to do that too. He's gonna 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:03.879 get stronger. He's twenty two years old. Give him a 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:06.960 offseason in the weight room. That part of his game 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:09.440 will be better? So are we We're talking about sinners 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.480 and Mickey. I'll ask everybody who this it's about sinners 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.600 and looking at centers in the draft potentially. But Joe Looney? 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:18.080 We are we just going to say Joe Loney coming 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:21.440 back for another year? Where this offseason talk? But is 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:24.520 Joe Looney everybody comfortable with that? Or would do you 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:29.080 need to get comfortable with him as the sixteen game starter? Well, 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:34.000 so far that's backup. I'm okay, yeah, but he's getting 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:36.879