1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with JP Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: and John Osher. The Huddle Up Podcast starts right now. 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Wednesday, February 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: twenty three. J. P. Shadrick with Jaguars dot Com senior 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: writer John Osier, NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks, and here 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: we are the week before the NFL Scouting Combine. Uh, 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: Bucky is good to see it, man, it's been a 8 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. What's up? It has been a couple 9 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: of weeks. I miss you guys. I'm excited to talk 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: about the draft. Like Nodawo is kicked off, is officially 11 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: in the books. With the Rams winning, I'm excited. We 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: can start thinking about me undefeated. We're all undefeated again, 13 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: so we're good. JP. Here's how I know that it's 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: between weeks, not quite as high profile a week because 15 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: you introduced me first. It was it was John Osier first. 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,639 Speaker 1: This you can Bucky Brooks second week when we're at 17 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: the combine, it'll be Bucky show again. So I'm going 18 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: to enjoy the moment. But you better take a photograph 19 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: of that marquee because it doesn't happen too often. I'll 20 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: say that, Bucky, you just came off big game on 21 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: NFL network the HBCU Legacy Bowl Yulman Stadium, New Orleans 22 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: on the campus of Tulane University. Nice barely new stadium 23 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: down there. How was the broadcast for you? So it 24 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: was cool? It was it was really cool. It was 25 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: like really a great week. Um. Obviously, Uh, the emphasis 26 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: in Nash Football League has really been putting the spotlight 27 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: on HBC use um and so that the NFL and 28 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: Doug Williams Shack Harris did a really good job of 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: putting together a nice event. Gave the players a tremendous 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: amount of exposure, but also coaches, coaches from all over 31 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: work um part of the staffs and so you're building 32 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: the bridge and the connectivity um between the coaches, the 33 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: players and NFL personnel. So it was it was a 34 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: great week. The game it was a little long, a 35 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: little lengthy, UM, not a lot of scoring, but it 36 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: was a good experience overall. Who's the best player you 37 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: think that came out of that week? Who who helped themselves? 38 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: A couple of guys a Quill Glass to quarterback from 39 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: Alabama and Muh, he has a chance. He might be 40 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: the first HBCU quarterback drafted since the far As Jackson 41 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: was a few years ago. I mean well not a 42 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: few years ago, long over a decade. Spent a minute. Yeah, 43 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: and then uh, there's a kid to Shan Dixon pass 44 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: rusher from Norfolk State who has a chance to be drafted. 45 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: Long and uh make some plays. But uh, not only 46 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: in that game, but down in the Senior Bowl there 47 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: are a couple of guys from ABC US who have chances. 48 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: So I think your industry, I think you'll see an 49 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: HBCU player or two drafted this year. Um, but luck 50 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: has been tremendous exposure for the programs. I have a 51 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: question for the analyst, not to scout, but Bucky, the 52 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: analysts and you were around it, and I hope it's 53 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: some point to get there and kind of see it 54 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: for myself. But Bucky, where do you see and where 55 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: do the HBCU coaches leaders see this going? Because for 56 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: a long time it was marginalized in the sense that 57 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: these sort of events didn't exist and there was a 58 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: feeling that they were completely getting shut out. There was 59 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: only Division ones or fbs or But now with Dion 60 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: coming into it, the dynamics changing. But where do they 61 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: see this ending up and where does it want to be? Well, look, 62 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: I mean it's a lot of attention now with HBC 63 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: used because uh, I would give Dion Sanders a lot 64 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: of credit because he put a big spotlight um on 65 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: those programs down into Swack and then you know, but 66 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: what you also seeing is there's been an influx of 67 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: NFL players and former NFL coaches that are taken over 68 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: these programs. Eddie George at Tennessee State, Hugh Jackson, who 69 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: has been a two time coach in the NFL, that's 70 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: a head of Grambling, Reggie Barlow and Eddie Robinson former 71 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: Jaguars at Virginia State in Alabama State respectively. Bubba McDowell 72 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: just took over a Preview and m and so as 73 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: you get more former NFL players and prominent roles there, uh, 74 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: you're thinking that a recruiting will rise and if you 75 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: get better recruits in those programs, you can have more 76 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: eyeballs and more guys going to see them because you 77 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: can have a better product and better people players coming 78 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: out of those programs is the key. And is there 79 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: a thought that Eventually television money could really bump it 80 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: up at some point, like some sort of super conference 81 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: or something like that, because that's where it could really 82 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: make an incredible difference. Right. Yeah. The longer Dian Standards 83 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: stays and the more prominence and attention that he receives, 84 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: the more that they'll put eyeballs on. ESPN picked up 85 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: every one of their games last year. It started out 86 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: being on like ESPN three or ESPN Plus, and then 87 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: it made a way to es in two, and then 88 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: he has some ESPN games as he continues to bring in. Look, 89 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: he got the number one recruit in the land, uh 90 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: coming there. You got the number four receiver in the 91 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: country going to Jackson State. As you begin to get 92 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: more blue chip players kind of end those leagues, the 93 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: TV cameras tend to follow. So I think that is 94 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: the one thing that can help it go to the 95 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,239 Speaker 1: next level. If they're able to secure a solid TV 96 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: deal where there's more exposure and more eyeballs are on 97 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: the league and the conference and you become more familiar 98 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: with the players, that's certainly will help him. Yeah. The 99 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: guy clip the guy right from like FSU stolen right, Yeah, 100 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: Travis Hunter Travis Hunter, a big time athlete. He's a guy. Look, 101 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: he's listens why receiver, but he can play anywhere, and 102 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: there's been some conversation when he goes to Jackson State 103 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: he may play on both sides of the ball. Um Look, 104 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: Dion was able to secure him, and then he followed 105 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: up with another guy that was a top player. And 106 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: as more of those guys begin to those programs begin 107 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: to pull with three and sometimes four star players, the 108 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: level of talent rises. People start beginning to pay attention. 109 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: Maybe they snatched down a prominent program and the way 110 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: they go, and so it's one of those things. But 111 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: I think the big thing on these events UM has 112 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: been with COVID and some of the stuff that prevented 113 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: scouts from really getting on the road. If you don't 114 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: have built in relationships with the coaches down there, there's 115 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: some guys that can fall through the cracks. And so 116 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: by having the showcase events to HBCU combine at the 117 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, you're now are bridging the gap, not only 118 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: in terms of scouts seeing the players with scouts meeting 119 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: the coaches. So now when you pick up the phone 120 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: and you ask a coach, hey do you have anybody 121 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: there that we need to be aware of. You now 122 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: have that instant access and so you can kind of 123 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: plan accordingly to see some of the best players. It's 124 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: an incredible thing. I mean it goes to show you 125 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: that conventional wisdom ain't always right. Because when d I 126 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: took that job, I think a lot of people have 127 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: rolled their eyes. What's he doing that will never work? 128 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: And I mean it's uh, he's got a chance to 129 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: really change the lands ape uh for a lot of athletes, 130 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: a lot of programs, and that YO credit to him 131 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: because I don't think anybody, or I think very few 132 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: people thought that what he was doing could work. Yeah. 133 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: You know what's funny is having worked with him and 134 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, being able to call him a friend. He's 135 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: been coaching for about ten to fifteen years in youth 136 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: league high school. Uh. He's won like three four state 137 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: championships as an offensive coordinator to high school down in Texas. 138 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: So it wasn't like, oh, he went from off the 139 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: couch to coaching. So it's something that he's thought about. 140 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: And when I've talked to people on his staff who 141 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: have been around excellent coaches, they laud his ability to 142 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: be a leader of the program, and they would say, 143 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: surprisingly that persona that we have kind of fallen in 144 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: love with. He is an old school coach who is 145 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: really big on discipline and details and those things. And 146 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: I think it helps. I also think now because we 147 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: we've heard all the conversation in the league about black 148 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: coaches in the National Football League and even in college, HBCC, 149 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: you have given guys opportunities and I believe you're beginning 150 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: to see more guys. Man, I just want to be 151 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: a head coach. It doesn't matter at the level. And 152 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: so and as those guys go and they show others 153 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: that they can coach, it may lead to kind of 154 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: arising of more prominent coaches have an opportunity because now 155 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: they can go to the next level with experience and 156 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: expertise because they've done it um before at the HBC program. Alright, guys, 157 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: we'll take your time out. We return with a preview 158 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: of the NFL Scouting Combine coming up next week in 159 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: Indianapolis on the Huddle Up Podcast. Welcome back to the 160 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: Huddle Up Podcast. J P Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, and yet 161 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: John Osier's here as well. Jaguars dot Com right, that 162 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: that's back to normal. That fits like a glove. Next 163 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: week the NFL Scouting Combine and Indianapolis. This is Bucky Brooks. 164 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you have a lot of big weeks. Every 165 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: week is a big week for you. I get that. 166 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: But the Combine week is is pretty high up the rankings. 167 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: If you had a top twenty or top fifty two 168 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: of weeks, I would think in your professional setting, right, Yeah, 169 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: now this is a big week. It's a big week 170 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: because this is the official handoff from last season to 171 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: this season for most of us NFL fans and those 172 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: around it. It's the first time that we begin to 173 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: get familiar with some of the top college players as 174 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: they kind of transition up to the National Football League. 175 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: So we began to kind of see the names. Guys 176 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: are beginning to kind of peruse the internet looking at 177 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: highlight packages. You're trying to figure out which players or 178 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: names are going to be associated and tied to your 179 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: best to your your favorite team. Yeah, this is a 180 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: major stage, and since the National Football League has made 181 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: it a TV event, it has really become a very 182 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: prominent event. You know, it was years ago as as 183 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: you guys can attest the combine used to just kind 184 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: of take place in that mysterious place of Indianapolis. There 185 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: were no cameras there, kind of took place in a 186 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: quiet stadium. No one saw it, no highlights, you barely 187 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: got the time. And then they put it on TV. 188 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: And then from the NFL's perspective, it was, you know, 189 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: we need to make this a primetime event. We need 190 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: to make it a TV event. And persistence paid off. 191 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: It is now a TV event that is on display Thursday, Friday, Saturday, 192 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: and Sunday at night prime time. Our quarterbacks go first. 193 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: It used to be the offensive lineman and all those 194 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: guys that people don't necessarily get excited about. Well now 195 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: the first night, Thursday night, it's like your quarterbacks and 196 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: your pass catchers in We're like, so the offense sales 197 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: tickets the league. The league has done a great job 198 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: of not only making this event big, but they made 199 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: the league calendar where every month there's something the National 200 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: Football League dominates the headlines twelve months a year and 201 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: it's not I mean, it's not even close. It is crazy. Yeah, 202 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: I was fortunate or unfortunate, as it were, uh, either 203 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: one to be working for the Indianapolis Colts when they 204 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: first went from secret combine, I would call it to 205 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: televise com combine and Bucky, you might be able to 206 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: attest this. I thought Bill Pollion's head was going to 207 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: exploit the idea. The idea, and you know, Bill be 208 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,599 Speaker 1: the first to tell you it was a football centric 209 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: This is about football. It's gonna ruin it. He knew 210 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: it was coming and he knew there was no way 211 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: to avoid it. But the old school football guys didn't 212 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: like this move at all. I guess it's a precursor 213 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: Bucky to asking you, um, does the televised aspect of it? 214 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: I know the positive everybody would tell you very rarely 215 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: have guys who don't run at the combine now or 216 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: you have, you have far fewer. So it had that 217 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: huge benefit for the football people. Has there been any 218 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: negative to it? Or I mean, is it harder to 219 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: scout you've done the behind the scene stuff? Is that trickier? 220 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: Or they managed to keep that the same? Is it's 221 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: still beneficial to scouts? You know, John, like what's been crazy? 222 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: Like scouts are all uh up in arms at the 223 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: beginning of it, like, oh my god, TV, you're turning 224 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: into this advance. It's not it's losing the purity of it. 225 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: It has now become such a deal where you have 226 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: teams that aren't sending their scouts because they can see 227 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: it on TV. So they get the scouts, can stay 228 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: in their cities, they continue to meet, they can watch 229 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,599 Speaker 1: it on TV, they get the official times from the 230 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: now the service UM and so it prevents it prevents 231 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: you from having to send all your scouts from So 232 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: from an economical standpoint, you have owners who are able 233 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: to save money UM by keeping their scouts. And I 234 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: want to say the l a Ram's last year didn't 235 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: send anybody, you know, maybe just their general manager and 236 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: the uh player personnel guy in college directed, but all 237 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: of the regular scouts may have stayed at home. And 238 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: you've seen a rise in that. I think the best 239 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: you know who that does hurt Bucky high velocity the 240 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: lobby bar at the hotel. That's right. Oh, I mean, look, 241 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: the lobby bar has suddenly taken a hit. And now 242 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: when you have like COVID and COVID restrictstions, guys have 243 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: kind of found ways that we don't need to send 244 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: the main contingent. But now I think it's really been 245 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: positive because you know, before that you would have a 246 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: ton of guys they wouldn't work out. Now that it's 247 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: on TV, guys have grown up seeing the Combine and 248 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: it's kind of become an aspirational event where you want 249 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: to be a part of it. You want to be 250 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: the fastest man, you want to be known for the 251 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: workout that you put on display. So I actually feel 252 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: like it's been positive, even though it has kind of 253 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: change a little bit away of the Combine operates. I 254 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: was told last week there are at least eight hundred 255 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: credential media members for this thing now, so it's not 256 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: just yes, it's televised, that's part of it, but it's 257 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: bloggers and draft nicks and people and it's everybody everywhere, 258 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: and fans fans and fans. They're coming in because you 259 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: can go now. I am old Enos jp Uh Pete Priscoe. 260 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: If I worked with the tu he's been doing this 261 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: long enough where he can tell you when it was 262 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: ten or fifteen media guys. My first one in two 263 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: thousand one. Believe it or not, they did not bring 264 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: prospects into to be interviewed by the media. We sat 265 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: in a yeah. For Bucky's I'm sure you weren't uh 266 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: brought in and you would have been second round pick. 267 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: You would have been a podium guy. Uh. But that's 268 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: all within the last twenty years that they have brought 269 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: it in and it's become a show where people are 270 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: mobbing the podiums and whatnot. So it's it's definitely changed. 271 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, it's changed. And now 272 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: that this I think this is the last year that 273 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: is committed to being Indianapolis and now becomes a sellable event, 274 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: just like the Draft has been and now can go 275 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: in the row. But I have a sneaky suspension that 276 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: it may end this way up out here and La 277 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: la land, so we could have that your rest backdropp 278 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: like we saw in Super Bowl where the sun is setting, 279 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: we got the guys running maybe in so Fi and 280 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: somewhere in Arizona. I kind of feel like it may 281 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: move that way. See the old guy in me, the 282 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: old guy in me lucky. I didn't agree back then 283 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: with Bill that putting it on TV was a mistake. 284 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: Moving it out of in the that does worry me 285 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: a little bit, just because of of the logistics of it. 286 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: But I'm sure it'll be fine. I'm sure you look 287 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: at say old man John was wrong, but the ease 288 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: with which that town hosted because of the medical etcetera. 289 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: I do think that's a factor that could mean hiccups 290 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: going forward. The check will clear, and I think it will. 291 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: And John, like, think of it this way. I don't 292 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: know if you're a foodie or not, but I'm a foodie. 293 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: So like, it just gives us more places to explore, 294 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: Like we we have now potentially a new set of 295 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: reservations that we can make in a new city to 296 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: taste different cuisine and fair and sample of different culture. 297 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: This should be this should be an exciting time. Three 298 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: nights a week and put me on a plane. Hub Yeah, 299 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: three dollar Coors lights. That's fine, JP, I don't play 300 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: in it. What's the ritzy place that that you guys love, 301 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: h one or whatever it is where they clear out 302 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: the tables at the end of the day. Prime. Yeah, 303 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a writer, Bucky, I'm not ex player. 304 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: I can't afford prime. And unless you're buying prime, and 305 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: well here's a here's a key. John. Now, remember we 306 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: haven't done a combine since Bucky has been working with us, 307 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: so now it could be the first time with Bucky 308 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: like picking up the tab doing this and learning his 309 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: finger around yet see, because what what what I'm gonna 310 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: do early is I'm gonna make sure I get you 311 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: nice and full of it, uh steak and shake. Then 312 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: we'll go to the prime and then I can put 313 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: you on like the liquid diet, which would be a 314 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: little more economical because you're fool your bellies all stuff 315 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: with that big old rock in your belly, So that's 316 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: the key get you to eat somewhere else. Then I 317 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: was gonna say, we haven't hung out that often, have we, Bucky, No, 318 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:20,479 Speaker 1: your opponent. Hey, one more combined thought from me, you know. 319 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: And I think you've made this point, Blucky earlier this 320 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: week on Twitter or somewhere TV. You're on all different 321 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: kind of media right now. So it's one data point. 322 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: This combine all those testing and everything that happens here, 323 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: and a lot of these credential media types will take 324 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: that and run with it and change mock drafts and 325 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: boards and rankings and all these things. But in reality, 326 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: inside of a football building, in an office in a 327 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: war room, it doesn't really move that quickly after maybe 328 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: one bad test or one really positive test to combine right, 329 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,239 Speaker 1: no like and now I would say this, and I 330 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: think UM balky comes from we're kind of in the 331 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: same family in terms of like how we were reared 332 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: in the scouting world. A lot of the work that 333 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: you want to do is you want to get it 334 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: done before the combine, meaning you want to put the 335 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: board up. You want to have prospects kind of stacked 336 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: and ranked based on grade prior to the combine, and 337 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: what you want to use the combine for is to 338 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: kind of separate what we call the clusters, meaning when 339 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: you have like three or four guys that are closely 340 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: graded based on what we evaluated on tape, and then 341 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: when you go to the combine, the testing part becomes 342 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: a factor who has longer arms, who was taller, who's bigger, 343 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: who's faster when we watched them in drills? Who is 344 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: more likely to fit into our system better based on 345 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: what they displayed? And then the background stuff in terms 346 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: of the interviews UM not only like getting a field 347 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: of where they come from and how they make UM 348 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,479 Speaker 1: thrive and prosper in your city, but where is their 349 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: football intelligence at how well do they prove this information? 350 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: Is it a situation where it looks ay, we want 351 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: smart fast guys are a we're more athleticism over that 352 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: other stuff. You're trying to sort out the personality and 353 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: how they fit into the thing. And then I always 354 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: tell people and I shouldn't give the secret sauce away. 355 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: But no matter where you work out, wherever you post 356 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: your fastest time or your best measurement, by rule, that 357 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: is the one that we take. So if you go 358 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: to the combine and you run a four or five five, 359 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: but then you go to Fresno State and you run 360 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: four three eight, at the end of the process, when 361 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: you get your draft card, it says your name Joe 362 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: John Doe four three nine because that's your fastest time. 363 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: And so really the reason why you want to work 364 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: at the combine is because if you have a great performance, 365 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 1: you're done. You don't have to do any more testing. 366 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: If you have a bad one, it now gives you 367 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: an opportunity to make up for When you bob ass 368 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: the combin and everything is on your pro day, you 369 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: don't have a chance to make up for a bad performance. 370 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: And the bigger point is the combine gives you the 371 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: opportunity to work out in front of every decision maker, jenner, manager, head, coach, director, 372 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: personnel when you're at your pro day. Unless you're some 373 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: high for looting guy like John Oshie who's gonna command 374 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: all the attention because he's a top five pick, you 375 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: may not get all of the decision maker is to 376 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: be on your campus. And so that's why you want 377 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: to take advantage of the combine For the Jags, Bucky, 378 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: who you I mean you know? Is it such a 379 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: pedestrian question, but who you know in that top group? 380 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: Are you interested in seeing? Uh, Hutchinson, Thibodeau, Neil, anybody else? 381 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: If you're a Jags fan watching that out of those 382 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: high profile guys, what are you looking for? Oh, we're 383 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: all we're looking at all the bigs. Our eyes are 384 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: cast on the trenches. So the days that you normally 385 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: wouldn't tune into the broadcast, you want to tune in 386 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: when you see the big guys moving around offensively. You 387 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: want to think about this being the year that the 388 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: Jaguars really go all in to make sure that Trevor 389 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: Lawrence has exactly what he wants. We think about what 390 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 1: the Bengals did with o'burrow, they went with the playmakers 391 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: to make sure that he had that. For Jacksonville, I 392 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: think it's a little different. Yes, you want playmakers, but 393 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: with the number one pick, it might be a great 394 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: opportunity to get an offensive tackle or two, depending on 395 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: what you feel about with walk a little. Do you 396 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: want to kick him inside of those things? So at tackle, 397 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: you're thinking Evan Neil from Alabama, You're thinking I can 398 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,959 Speaker 1: Kwanu from NC State, and you're thinking about Charles Cross 399 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: from Mississippi State. Those are the three guys. All of 400 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: them are closely graded. Uh, depends on stylistically what you want. 401 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: Evan Neil is probably the more polished of them all 402 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: in terms of a technician with length and those things. 403 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: High floor, maybe not the highest ceiling. I can Equinanu 404 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: is a guy who is just a terror on the outside. 405 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: He just throws guys around like a big old grizzly bear. 406 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: The technique is not exactly what you want because he's 407 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: just a brute. I mean, he's just a bully. He's 408 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: just he's a he's a bar bouncer. Yeah, he's just 409 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: throwing him out because you're not properly attired or if 410 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: you had too many, he just has to get you 411 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: out the club. That's him. And then Cross is just 412 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: he's just an interesting guy because he's such a technician. 413 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: And so when I think about Doug Peterson what he 414 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: had at Philadelphia when they were great, Jason Peters on 415 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: one side, Lane Johnson on the other side, and I 416 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: don't think it was a coincidence that all the quarterbacks 417 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: flourished because they were protected. That is a big deal. 418 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: When we think about the offensive tackles. Let's come back 419 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: in a moment, our final thoughts. Maybe a couple of 420 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: the positions of of we're talking about ed rushers coming back, 421 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: edge rushers. Let's see, that's what I was trying to say, 422 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: ed rushers. When we come back on the Huddle Up Podcast. 423 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Huddle Up Podcast, j P Shadrick, 424 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: John Osier, and Bucky Brooks. The NFL scouting combine next 425 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: week in Indianapolis. We touched on some of the offensive 426 00:22:55,359 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: lineman Bucky, how about a edge rusher. That's another hot 427 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: name that's being mocked to the Jaguars and two or 428 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: at least are the biggest of the names that we've 429 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: seen so far in Thibodeaux and Aidan Hutchinson from Michigan. 430 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: Who else is who is there anybody else in that 431 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: realm uh yeah, they're actually there. It's a really intriguing 432 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: pass rusher class. Um Aidan Hutcheson and Kevon Tipodeau are 433 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: the guys who get the most attention, and that is 434 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: because the media watch has been on them from the start. 435 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: They started with everyone being all in on Thibodeau because 436 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: he was coming off two successful years as a freshman 437 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: and sophomore. That really got your attention. He is, um, 438 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: I would say, an outstanding athlete who's a bit of 439 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: a flasher as a player. You see these flashes of 440 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: brilliance and dominance off the edge, but as a level 441 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 1: of inconsistency to his game that makes you like, uh 442 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: pause a little bit. Aidan Hutchinson has been i would say, 443 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: miscast as the try hard, work hard guy. Like people 444 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: see him it's like, oh, he's just a try hard 445 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: every guy that he's Aaron kampman. He's gonna do all 446 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,479 Speaker 1: this and just fight to the end to get the sacks. 447 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: And I'm telling you that people are making the mistake 448 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: because when he tests, he is going to be in 449 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: the top percentile of testers. This is a rare fine 450 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: in terms of being what I call an A plus 451 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: athlete with A plus skills and tactical ability. And because 452 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: people just caught the Georgia game and they saw a 453 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: couple of plays where he got knocked around, they have 454 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 1: neglected what he's really put in terms of his resume 455 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: and body of work. To me, if I'm gonna take 456 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: a pass rush at the top of the board, he's 457 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: the choice. Beyond that, George Coloftus from Purdue is interesting, 458 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: very productive. Purdue has a long history of producing pass rushers. 459 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: He's one of the tops to ever play there. Um 460 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: David and Jobo from Michigan elite athlete like freakish athleticism 461 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: and Birth's head double digit sacks this year, and then 462 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: Jermaine Johnson from Florida State. You can do it. So 463 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: there are a lot of intriguing names in that realm. 464 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: I would say if the Jaguars go that realm, they 465 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: need to prove in pass Russia, they can't necessarily gamble 466 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: on Hey, We're gonna take the athletic guy and develops them. Know, 467 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: the guy who shows up to rush the pass or 468 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: opposite Josh Allen. He needs to be a proven commodity 469 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: because they need someone that can get to the quarterback 470 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: um without a lot of seasoning. As I would say, 471 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: I need to be come, ready to play, ready to 472 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: kind of get to the quarterback. So it sounds like 473 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: in your mind you think it's Hutch and center Neil. Yes, 474 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: I think so, And the reason why is at the 475 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: top of the board. As much as I would love 476 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: to hit a home run, you can win a lot 477 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: of games with doubles and sometimes people don't like the 478 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: high floor comment, but part of when you're picking up 479 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: that high is you just don't want to miss. You 480 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: want to make sure that the guy that comes in 481 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: can give you the kind of a production that you're like, okay, 482 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: I'm good with it. Now you can roll the dice 483 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: and take a chance and maybe have some one who 484 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: has maybe greater potential down the line. But for me, 485 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: based on what did Jaguars have, Yeah, I don't want 486 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: to gamble. I want to I want to take the 487 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: Warren Buffet approach. I want to get the brand name. 488 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: I want to know exactly what I'm gonna I want 489 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: to get a good return on the investment and feel 490 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: good about it. Alright, plenty of draft talk in the 491 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: weeks ahead. We're only just getting started. It is February, 492 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: of course, so um, this time next week, John, you 493 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: and Bucky will be an Indy. I'll be there later 494 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: in the week next week, and we'll at some point 495 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: do this all again, probably after the combine is over. 496 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: How about that. Yeah, we gotta get together talk about 497 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: it because it will be exciting. It's an exciting time. 498 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: I know the excitement is not the same as it 499 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: was last year with the Trevor Lawrence thing, but this 500 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: should be an exciting time because not only did the 501 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: Jazz get the first pick in the first round, but 502 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: the beginning of the second round has become a very 503 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: valuable pick. Either you cash in and get a hidden 504 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 1: a player that kind of unexpectedly falls out of the 505 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: first round, or you traded away you get some valuable 506 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: pickups to get more players have the team. I like it. 507 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: I like it, John, You would expect to JP. You know, 508 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: next week is historically when you start hearing more uh 509 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: solid speculation on free agents, you know, because people are 510 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: talking so, uh, what's going on with Camera Robinson DJ Shark. 511 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: Maybe not because teams do keep that quiet, but my 512 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: guess is you'll start hearing a little better idea, particularly 513 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: free agency, what free agenc from other teams are in 514 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: reality going to be out there rather than just being 515 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: on a list right now. So it's it's an important 516 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: week for that as well. A lot coming up for 517 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: the Jaguars and in the National Football League. And let 518 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: me say this, so just before you guys know, I 519 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 1: want you to know that I have reserved. Look, I'm 520 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: clearing that I'm clearing the balance on the credit card, 521 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: and I'm giving you guys a couple of adult revege 522 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: coupons if you choose to utilize them. While we were well, 523 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: they'll be YEA was a question that I mean, I 524 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean I don't I don't know. I 525 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: was like, I was like, comma butt or comma and 526 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: what's the second I thought, Okay, well, yeah, that's we 527 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: would better define a few sheep. That's all I'm saying. 528 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: I don't we good. We'll see you guys in Indianapolis. Joado, 529 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com senior writer, NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks. 530 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: I'm J. P. Shatrick. We'll catch you next time on 531 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: the Huddle Up podcast,