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Speaker 1: From Futu Media. It's Latino USA. I'm Maria in josam

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Speaker 1: and today the myth of the so called Latino vote.

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Speaker 1: In the weeks and months leading up to the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty election, we heard a lot about the quote unquote

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Speaker 1: Latino vote.

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Speaker 2: Ours is a community that is all too often overlooked,

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Speaker 2: even though we are one of the fastest growing ethnic

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Speaker 2: groups in this country. The LATINX community is growing in

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Speaker 2: political power because we're making sure that folks are getting

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Speaker 2: involved in the political process.

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Speaker 1: Real question is will they turn out? Will the Latino

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Speaker 1: community turn out? Former Bernie Sanders campaign advisor Chuck Roachuk

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Speaker 1: called Latino and Latina voters the single most important factor

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Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty election. A record thirty two million

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Speaker 1: Latinos across the country were eligible to vote this election,

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Speaker 1: and that growing electorate was expected to be decisive in

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Speaker 1: his supposed blue wave this year. Predictions especially focused on

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Speaker 1: possible swing states with large Latino populations like Florida, Nevada, Arizona,

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Speaker 1: and even Texas. But past elections have taught us that

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Speaker 1: Latinos vote for those who have reached out to them directly.

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Speaker 1: Democratic Socialist candidate Bernie Sanders won the Democratic primary in

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Speaker 1: Nevada with fifty three percent of Latino's votes. He appealed

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Speaker 1: to young and working class voters with his platform of

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Speaker 1: Medicare for all and a Green New Deal.

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Speaker 3: I Collumn THEO Bernie.

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Speaker 1: Republican candidates have also successfully courted the support of Latinos.

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Speaker 1: George W. Bush garnered a record breaking forty percent of

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Speaker 1: the Latino electorate in two thousand and four. His campaign

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Speaker 1: focused on appealing to evangelical Christians and Cuban Americans, who

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Speaker 1: have historically identified with the Republican Party. A major lesson

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Speaker 1: from twenty twenty is one that Latinos have already learned.

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Speaker 1: The idea of a single LATINX vote is a myth.

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Speaker 1: Latinos and Latinas across the United States draw from different

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Speaker 1: histories that have shaped their different policy interests, ideologies, and

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Speaker 1: personal experiences. Today, we're looking at Florida and Arizona, two

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Speaker 1: states that caught the nation's attention as election results rolled

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Speaker 1: in grassroots efforts In Arizona, but a wave of younger

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Speaker 1: Latino and Latina voters to the polls to help flip

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Speaker 1: that state blue for President elect Joe Biden. But in Florida.

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Speaker 1: The Democratic Party came up short in their efforts to

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Speaker 1: appeal to LATINX voters. Nearly half of all Latino identifying

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Speaker 1: Florida voters cast their ballots for President Trump. My first

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Speaker 1: two guests today are Sabadina Rodriguez and Carlos Odio. Sabadina

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Speaker 1: is a reporter at Politico and she's been covering Latino

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Speaker 1: voters in Florida during this election cycle. She's also Cuban

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Speaker 1: American and grew up in the South Florida city of Hyalia.

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Speaker 1: Godlos is a co founder and senior vice president of

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Speaker 1: Achi Slabs, which leads polling and research on LATINX voters

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Speaker 1: across the country. They both join us now to talk

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Speaker 1: about how Latinos and latin has contributed to yet another

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Speaker 1: Republican victory in the state of Florida. Sabadina and Cardlos,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Latino USA.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having us.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: A lot of the country is thinking a lot about

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Speaker 1: the place that you're from. You're both from Miami, A

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Speaker 1: lot of people thinking about Florida, a lot of time

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Speaker 1: across the country kind of mental space thinking about voters

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Speaker 1: in Florida, and as you know, specifically Latino and Latina voters,

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Speaker 1: and there's been this kind of fascination which those of

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Speaker 1: us who have been covering Latino voters for a long time,

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Speaker 1: it's like, okay, here we go again. Was this it

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Speaker 1: all surprising to you?

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Speaker 5: Something that really struck me about this election and when

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Speaker 5: I realized that Miami was going to go the way

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Speaker 5: it did was through my own family. My aunt has

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Speaker 5: never voted, and my aunt registered to vote so she

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Speaker 5: could go vote for Trump. And I think seeing that

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Speaker 5: play out in my house was fascinating, or seeing, you know,

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Speaker 5: my other uncle and aunt, who I thought my entire life,

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Speaker 5: were registered Democrats and I thought supported Oh, how to

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Speaker 5: support it? Obama had supported Hillary Clinton told me they

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Speaker 5: were supporting Trump, and they got like mad, Like there

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Speaker 5: was a huge fight with my mother, who's a Democrat,

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Speaker 5: and there was like a huge argument internally of oh, well,

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Speaker 5: how are you actually going to go vote for like

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Speaker 5: sleepy Joe, Like he's so weak?

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: To sum it up, we know everyone always gets fixated

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Speaker 5: it's a big battleground state. The biggest thing this time

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Speaker 5: around was the fixation on Cubans which also happens every cycle.

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Speaker 5: Cubans are known for being Republican leaning. We know that

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Speaker 5: they tend to come out in big numbers for Republicans. However,

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Speaker 5: they did come out more so for Trump this time

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Speaker 5: than in twenty sixteen. And I think that's where the

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Speaker 5: surprise was was how effective the Trump administration's messaging towards

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Speaker 5: the Cuban community was, and that it resonated as well

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Speaker 5: with non Cuban Latinos, so you know, it resonated with Venezuelans,

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Speaker 5: it resonated with Colombians, with Nicaraguans. So I think a

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Speaker 5: lot of what's going on now is trying to understand

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Speaker 5: why did it happen and what is the Democratic Party

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Speaker 5: going to do from here?

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Speaker 1: Carlos, what about you? What's your takeaway?

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Speaker 6: I think what's interesting in this moment is that it

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Speaker 6: wasn't just limited to who we would expect it to

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Speaker 6: be limited to. I'll say, in at Ekes our research

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Speaker 6: starting a year ago, we were already noticing a problem

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Speaker 6: among subsets of Cubans who had been trending progressive, who

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Speaker 6: were now shifting to Trump. So the Cuban piece was

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Speaker 6: not quite as surprising we had seen Trump making inroads

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Speaker 6: among Puerto Ricans. Not huge, but enough, and we had

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Speaker 6: seen problems with a category of as we say, the

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Speaker 6: broader Latin American vote. The Sabrina said, well, it's not

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Speaker 6: just Venezuelans, it's actually there's actually a larger number of Colombians,

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Speaker 6: Mexican Americans, Dominicans, Peruvians, Nicaraguans.

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Speaker 4: The shift there, the extent of the shift was surprising.

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Speaker 1: So do you just want to throw something at the

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Speaker 1: television everybody is only talking about Cuban voters in southern Florida.

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Speaker 4: I'd say it's part of it.

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Speaker 6: I think it is Cuban figures, personality, politicians who have

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Speaker 6: led this. So I don't think it's about letting Cubans

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Speaker 6: off the hook, but yes, I think the more concerning

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Speaker 6: trend of this year is that in precincts that were

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Speaker 6: heavily Latin American, as we say the panel Latin American

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Speaker 6: non Cuban wins around fifty percent.

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Speaker 7: Of the vote.

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Speaker 6: In twenty sixteen, Hillary Clinton won seventy percent of the

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Speaker 6: vote in those precincts, so he saw a twenty point

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Speaker 6: swing in these precincs among Cubans. It was a drop

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Speaker 6: from Hillary Clinton at around forty four percent to now

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Speaker 6: Biden at around thirty one percent. So as a bigger swing,

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Speaker 6: Trump likely nets more votes out of this other group

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Speaker 6: of voters than he did among the Cubans. I do

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Speaker 6: want to caution that while we will talk about the

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Speaker 6: problem in Miami Dade, there's a concern here that we

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Speaker 6: are blaming Latinos when in reality the problem was much

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Speaker 6: broader and deeper in Florida and can't be just isolated

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Speaker 6: to something happening in Miami Dade. In fact, if Joe

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Speaker 6: Biden had gotten the same margin as Hillary Clinton in

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Speaker 6: Miami Dade County, he still loses the state of Florida

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Speaker 6: by one hundred and seventy thousand votes.

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Speaker 4: So I do want to say it's not limited to

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Speaker 6: In the context of twenty twenty, Latinos in Florida, a

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Speaker 6: majority still voted for Joe Biden.

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Speaker 5: You know, there was a lot of talk going into

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Speaker 5: the election that Joe Biden had been able to build

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Speaker 5: a much wider coalition in the state of Florida, and

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Speaker 5: that he was going to be able to maybe lose

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Speaker 5: some ground in South Florida and Miami Dads specifically and

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Speaker 5: that he'd be able to make up for it with

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Speaker 5: you know, seniors in the villages, he would be able

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Speaker 5: to make up for it with suburban moms. Like there

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Speaker 5: was this perception that white voters would come through for him.

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Speaker 5: They didn't necessarily, but all the attention is on why

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Speaker 5: Latino voters didn't come through for him.

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Speaker 1: So why didn't that white vote materialize for Biden in

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Speaker 5: In Florida. Part of it is Trump was there all

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Speaker 5: the time. You know, we're talking about this is his

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Speaker 5: home state. He changed his residency to the state, and

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Speaker 5: he was always coming down to you know, talk about

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Speaker 5: the anti socialist message.

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Speaker 2: This election will decide whether our children will be condemned

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Speaker 2: to the misery of socialism or whether they will inherit

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Speaker 2: the glorious legacy of American.

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Speaker 5: Freedom, which didn't only resonate with Cubans and Venezuelans, has

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Speaker 5: resonated across the state. You Know, talking to a voter

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Speaker 5: in Fort Meyer's an older white man will tell you, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden's a socialist and doesn't have any experience with

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Speaker 5: you know, with a dictator, doesn't have any experience with

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Speaker 5: like the castros, or Nico Lamruu and still that message

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Speaker 5: resonated a lot in the state. So, I mean that's

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Speaker 5: part of the picture. And the Florida Democratic Party. There's

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Speaker 5: a lot of complaints now of just how there wasn't

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Speaker 5: door knocking, There wasn't a part of the canvassing that

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Speaker 5: would have helped also just get people out to the polls.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that Joe Biden in some ways at

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Speaker 1: a certain point in terms of the Latino and Latina

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Speaker 1: votes specifically, was it just like throwing their hands up

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Speaker 1: and just being like, ah, we're not going to be

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Speaker 1: able to do that? And when did that come before

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Speaker 1: or after the one hundred million dollars from Mike Bloomberg

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I mean to the credit of the Biden campaign,

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Speaker 5: like there were people obviously putting in work. However, the

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Speaker 5: they did not do enough early enough. Part of it was,

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Speaker 5: the campaign to do Spanish language ads to do all

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Speaker 5: Mike Bloomberg allowed them to make a bigger push. But

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Speaker 5: at that point we're talking about four years of messaging

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Speaker 5: from the Trump administration, all these administration officials repeatedly coming

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Speaker 5: was like once a month to announce a new random

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Speaker 5: sanction that they were going to put on Cuba, a

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Speaker 5: new random sanction on Venezuela, so that they could, you know,

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Speaker 5: spotlight how much they care about human rights or how

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Speaker 5: much they care about the people of Qban Venezuela. The

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Speaker 5: Biden campaign obviously did not have that, and we saw

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Speaker 5: it to the end. You know, Biden came to South

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Speaker 5: Florida a couple times, but then he let the lifting

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Speaker 5: at the end be Kamala Harris and be Obama. That

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Speaker 5: came in the last days leading up to the election.

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Speaker 1: So Godlos. One of the big ideas that has also

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Speaker 1: been out there is that Latinos and Latinas who did

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Speaker 1: vote for Donald Trump were mostly white, and the narrative

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Speaker 1: that that is because of their own anti blackness, their

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Speaker 1: own racism. So what do you think about that narrative cardaluism.

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Speaker 4: It is incredibly complicated.

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't isolate it to say it is simply a

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Speaker 6: matter of the identity of the voter. I think there

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Speaker 6: is an anti blackness that we have to wrestle with.

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Speaker 6: I think that's manifest in a broader sense, not just

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Speaker 6: because someone is white.

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Speaker 4: I think there is a sense of americanness.

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Speaker 6: Sabrina did some incredible reporting on voters in Hyalea, and

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Speaker 6: the wrapping themselves of the American flag in parts of

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Speaker 6: Miami was more predictive of Trump support than even wearing

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Speaker 6: a Maga hat. Where Trump made in roads, I think

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Speaker 6: there's now evidence is that it wasn't just among Cubans, it.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't isolated in certain places.

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Speaker 6: I think you could go out west and see folks

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Speaker 6: who aren't necessarily white identifying who do identify as Latino

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Speaker 6: or as Indigenous or any of the categories. It's more complicated,

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Speaker 6: but I think that there is a strain of anti blackness.

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Speaker 1: All right. So Carlos Trump actually wasn't the only Republican

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Speaker 1: So is this about support for Trump trickling down or

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Elsewhere in the country, we saw actually a lot

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Speaker 6: You look at a vote like the Puerto Rican vote

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Speaker 5: And I think another piece of this that's really important

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Speaker 5: You know, the idea wasn't necessarily that with misinformation you

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the Democrats. What did they do

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Speaker 5: And I think to the bigger point, which you know,

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Speaker 5: Florida cost millions and millions of dollars to do. And

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying, you know, now Democrats should just say

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Speaker 5: never mind, forget it. But also knowing you know, Okay, well,

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Speaker 5: we really do want to win, we really do want

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Speaker 5: to make it roads. But it's not going to be

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Speaker 5: from one day to the next that we're suddenly going

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Speaker 5: to start winning Florida again.

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Speaker 1: God knows. What is your message in terms of the

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Speaker 1: data that you have about what Democrats should have done

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Speaker 1: in Florida and what they need to do strategically, in

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Speaker 1: terms of the very broad Latinos and Latinas across the

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Speaker 1: country that you think that they need to do better

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Speaker 1: next time.

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Speaker 6: In hindsight, I think in many ways, the battle in

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Speaker 6: Florida was lost over a year ago. To Sabrina's point,

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump had a huge headstart, and a lot of

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Speaker 6: the shift that we saw ended up being baked and nothing,

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Speaker 6: not even COVID was able to shake it. It gives

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Speaker 6: me some hope that Donald Trump was not able to

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Speaker 6: replicate that success elsewhere he may have made inroads, but

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Speaker 6: not enough, and certainly didn't make it in places where

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Speaker 6: it counted like Phoenix, despite their efforts. They tried a

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Speaker 6: lot to replicate the same model in Arizona, and I

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Speaker 6: don't think we saw it work in the slightest. I

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Speaker 6: think there's something to learn from what Donald Trump, though,

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Speaker 6: did do in South Florida in that there's a fascinating

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Speaker 6: study among Cubans that Cuban said that under Trump they

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Speaker 6: felt the most influential they have ever felt.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's so important.

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Speaker 6: I think there's lots of good scholarship that shows that

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Speaker 6: when voters feel like their group is important, that their

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Speaker 6: vote is going to make a material difference, they're more

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Speaker 6: likely to vote. And I think that now is the

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Speaker 6: challenge and the opportunity for Joe Biden to now be

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Speaker 6: in the White House, for Democrats to now have the

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Speaker 6: White House to say, Okay, how do we go and

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Speaker 6: make Latinos feel important everywhere including South Florida. And now

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Speaker 6: they have the resources, they have the bulldy pulpit from

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Speaker 6: which to do that. How do you center Latinos not

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Speaker 6: just from a political standpoint, but now in governance? What

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Speaker 6: are you going to deliver. That's going to rebrand Democrats

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Speaker 6: in a real way. I think the organizers in Phoenix

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Speaker 6: show us how you do empowerment. They took a deep

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Speaker 6: dark hole that they were in ten years ago around

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Speaker 6: the SB ten seventy fight, and they fought back and

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Speaker 6: they made Arizona battleground. I think we can learn from

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Speaker 6: also what the Bernie Sanders campaign did in the primary.

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Speaker 6: I think what Trump again did in Miami, which is

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Speaker 6: the sense of a full court press. What is necessary

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Speaker 6: starting now is a full court press because there was

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Speaker 6: a coalition that beat Donald Trump that is not going

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Speaker 6: to be the same Democratic coalition going forward. There were

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Speaker 6: a lot of folks in this this time to defeat

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump. For Democrats to win going forward, they have

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Speaker 6: to rethink the coalition. And so while Latinos did win

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Speaker 6: them this election along with black.

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Speaker 4: Voters, there was peril there that if.

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Speaker 6: They are not careful, if we don't start thinking about

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Speaker 6: how to grow that coalition, is going to spell trouble

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Speaker 6: going forward.

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Speaker 1: So basically, Sabrina and Carlos, if you think that Latino

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Speaker 1: and Latina politics was easy to understand in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: not at all. And it's only going to get more

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Speaker 1: and more and more complex opset. That's all we're saying.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Abadina, Thank you for having me

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Speaker 1: get as YS Cardlos, Thank you Madia. Coming up on

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Speaker 1: Latino USA, we take a look at Arizona. The traditionally

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Speaker 1: Republican stronghold, became a critical swing state in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: thanks in large part to the Latino turnout at the polls.

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Speaker 1: The results made national headlines, but it didn't come as

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Speaker 1: a surprise to those Arizonans on the ground. Stay with us, no, yes, hey,

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Speaker 1: We're back. With eleven electoral votes and a Senate seat

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Speaker 1: on the line, all eyes were on Arizona this year

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Speaker 1: as it flipped blue in a presidential election for the

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Speaker 1: first time since nineteen ninety six. Even though it has

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Speaker 1: long been a Republican stronghold, Arizona has been changing. Latinos

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Speaker 1: and Latinas they are make up more than thirty percent

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Speaker 1: of the state's residents. In two thousand and nine, when

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Speaker 1: it passed Senate Bill ten seventy or SB ten seventy,

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Speaker 1: Arizona gave police officers the authority to detain anyone based

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Speaker 1: on suspicion of their immigration status. While this policy created

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Speaker 1: fear and distrust in Arizona's Latino immigrant communities. It also

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Speaker 1: politicized a new generation of young Latinos, and it spurred

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Speaker 1: them to organiz and fight back. I'm living United for

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Speaker 1: Change in Arizona. For LUCHA is one of the organizations

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Speaker 1: that sprung up in response to SB ten seventy. For

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Speaker 1: the past decade, LUCA has been addressing the lack of

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Speaker 1: outreach to LATINX voters and they've helped lead some of

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Speaker 1: the state's biggest get out the vote campaigns. Alex Gomez

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Speaker 1: is co director of LUCA and joins us to talk

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Speaker 1: about the role of community organizing in Arizona's historic democratic turnout.

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Speaker 1: And we're also joined by Sonya Diaz, who's founding director

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Speaker 1: of UCLA's Latino Policy and Politics Initiative, who's going to

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Speaker 1: help us break down what Arizona can teach campaigns about

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Speaker 1: how to court Latino voters and why they need to

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Speaker 1: start Today. Sonya and Alex, welcome to Latino USA.

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Speaker 7: Thank you for having me so excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: All right, So, Sonya, let's look at this big picture.

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Speaker 1: And I know that towards the end and of what

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Speaker 1: seemed like an eternal campaign, everybody started talking about I

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Speaker 1: mean it took a while, but then everybody was talking

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Speaker 1: about the Latino vote. What comes up for you when

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Speaker 1: you hear this Latino vote? And why hasn't this term

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Speaker 1: really been taken apart and throwing the garbage And we

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Speaker 1: cannot talk about this anymore because we can't talk about

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Speaker 1: the white vote for example.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I think that the twenty twenty election

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Speaker 8: just brought to bear the diversity, the complexity, and the

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Speaker 8: myriad of interest groups that characterize latinx Electra, which is

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Speaker 8: not a monolith. And it's clear that, akin to previous cycles,

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Speaker 8: are well paid political consultants have scrambled in the late

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Speaker 8: stages of campaigns to gain these insights that they really

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Speaker 8: have ignored about the Latino voter universe. And then during

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Speaker 8: gootv the last stages of a campaign, we see candidates

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Speaker 8: by flow codico dancers and with Mariacci's and worse yet,

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Speaker 8: I think what No November has really shown us is

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Speaker 8: that our political pundits continue to act like they know

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Speaker 8: about these voters who they deem Hispanic right. And ultimately

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Speaker 8: what we know is that in the twenty first century,

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Speaker 8: Latinos are both mystic and incomprehensible to all of them.

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Speaker 8: And ultimately, the victory that occurred on November third is

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Speaker 8: because of the work of Latino mass mobilization in response

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Speaker 8: to the failure of policy in so many key states.

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Speaker 1: Right, failure of policy, failure of visibility, failure of the

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Speaker 1: mainstream media giving a position of influence to Latino and

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Speaker 1: Latina voters and not reminding everyone day in and day

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Speaker 1: out that Latino and Latina voters are the second largest

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Speaker 1: voting block in the United States that we know. So, Alex,

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Speaker 1: what about you when you started to see it really

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Speaker 1: just like pushed towards the end. What's up with the

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Speaker 1: Latino voter? What was your reaction to that?

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Speaker 2: You know, this year was the first time Arizona saw

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Speaker 2: the most investment we have ever seen, and twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: was ten years in the making for us. That means

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Speaker 2: thousands and thousands and thousands of conversations of building relationships

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Speaker 2: over ten years, to build trust in our communities, to

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Speaker 2: really understand what are the concerns that our communities have

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Speaker 2: and what is the future that our communities want to see.

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Speaker 2: And we had to build our political space on our

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Speaker 2: own because there was zero investment when our communities were

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Speaker 2: being targeted by the racial profiling law SB ten seventy.

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Speaker 2: And so what we had to do was not only

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Speaker 2: respond to the political fear that existed at the hands

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Speaker 2: of our payo Russell Pearce Jen Brewer.

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Speaker 6: People around the world world are waiting for years and

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Speaker 6: years to get here, but if you come here illegally.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna have to pay the consequences.

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Speaker 9: Well, the bottom line is is that the Senate built

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Speaker 9: ten seventy absolutely Muror's federal law, and we are being

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Speaker 9: invaded by illegal immigration in the state of Arizona, and

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Speaker 9: this is another tool and we are just helping the

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Speaker 9: Feds do their job because they won't do it.

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Speaker 2: What we also had to do was make sure that

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Speaker 2: we were protecting our communities through Know Your Right sessions,

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Speaker 2: that we were making sure that we were disseminating that

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Speaker 2: information and having house meetings so that our communities could

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Speaker 2: understand how to protect themselves while we were expanding the electorate.

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Speaker 2: Because what we found was our communities had not had

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Speaker 2: one door knocked, had one mailer, not one phone call

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Speaker 2: from any candidate, let alone either of the parties and

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Speaker 2: what we said is we're not going to wait for anyone,

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Speaker 2: and we're not going to wait for any savior.

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Speaker 3: We're going to do the work ourselves.

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Speaker 2: And so ten years later, on the anniversary of SB

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Speaker 2: ten seventy, which parts of it are still in effect,

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Speaker 2: Arizona elected Biden and Harris and Mark Kelly into office,

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Speaker 2: making it a historic victory for the Latino community, which

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Speaker 2: sent a clear message saying that you will not have

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Speaker 2: a path to victory without us.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, you're about on the verge of tears

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Speaker 1: and we're talking about electoral politics in Arizona. Tell me

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Speaker 1: why that makes you get teary eyed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: When I think of Arizona, I think of the young

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Speaker 2: leaders here, Dania, who in twenty eighteen was part of

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Speaker 2: the team responsible for electing Kirsten Cinema and her mother.

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Speaker 3: When Dania was out.

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Speaker 2: Canvassing, she was a passenger in a vehicle on the

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Speaker 2: freeway and when stopped, the police asked her mother for identification.

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Speaker 2: When she could not produce it, they detained her and

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Speaker 2: deported her. And that was in twenty eighteen, so we're

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Speaker 2: still seeing these practices. Danya became the sole provider of

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Speaker 2: her siblings on the same year that she was fighting

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Speaker 2: to get Democrats elected while she got her full ride

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Speaker 2: scholarship to Asu. Those are the stark realities of our communities.

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Speaker 2: We are fighting because our survival is dependent on us

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Speaker 2: having Democrats in office that will stand up for the

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Speaker 2: most marginalized communities that have been contributing to their victories,

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Speaker 2: but not seeing the same courage in return for our

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Speaker 2: communities in terms of the policies that we need to

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Speaker 2: be seeing from them.

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Speaker 1: Sonya, when you hear Alex so emotional and alex is

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Speaker 1: talking about like what she saw, very personal about wanting

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Speaker 1: to come out to change the politics, Sonya, what is

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Speaker 1: in fact, now that we have a little bit of data,

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Speaker 1: what motivated in large part Latinos and Latinas to come

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Speaker 1: out and vote.

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Speaker 8: They wanted to see an end to the Trump administration

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Speaker 8: that vilified them, that started by calling Mexicans criminals and rapists.

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Speaker 8: They want to stop being scapegoaded, and in a time

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Speaker 8: when COVID nineteen is decimating the health and wealth of

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Speaker 8: Latino communities, they want to see a future where they're

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Speaker 8: not only treated with dignity, but they no longer disposable

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Speaker 8: for the comfort of the American voters who overwhelmingly cast

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Speaker 8: many ballots, these white voters, akin to what they did

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Speaker 8: in twenty sixteen. And I just want to give a

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Speaker 8: shout out to Arizona because what Alex shared resonated with me.

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Speaker 8: Part of the reason that I do what I do

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Speaker 8: is because of the Arizona that was California in the

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Speaker 8: nineteen nineties, with the three strikes, with the one eighty

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Speaker 8: seven anti immigrant, with the end of affirmative action. I

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Speaker 8: remember hitting Pete Wilson's Biginnata as a kid at the marchas,

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Speaker 8: and I remember driving across the US South in twenty

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Speaker 8: sixteen and seeing those biginnatas of Donald Trump. And we're

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Speaker 8: at this victory where the only path forward is a

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Speaker 8: path where Latino communities are able, in solidarity with other

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Speaker 8: communities to mobilize. And we recognize that neither party has

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Speaker 8: invested in US, but we recognize that one party is

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Speaker 8: less racist than the other. And ultimately, what the data

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Speaker 8: made clear is that Latinos are consequential to the outcome

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Speaker 8: of not only who occupies the White House, but control

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Speaker 8: of the United States Congress. And if we want to

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Speaker 8: reward Latinos who in coalition with black voters rated this

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Speaker 8: victorious path for Democrats. Then Democrats need to get behind

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Speaker 8: a Latino candidate for governor in Texas and Arizona in

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Speaker 8: twenty twenty two, and they need to appoint a Latino

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Speaker 8: for the first time to represent the state of California

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Speaker 8: in the United States Senate. And so given the political

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Speaker 8: power of Latinos, whereby after Prop One eighty seven Latinos mobilized,

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Speaker 8: there's no Republican in the ten statewide constitutional offices. Are

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Speaker 8: Democrats able to learn lessons because they should have learned

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Speaker 8: them by now, or do they like to lose?

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Speaker 1: I used a term. It's a word I do not

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Speaker 1: like to use. But I'm going to share it with you,

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Speaker 1: Alex and Sonya and ask your reaction. It appears to

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Speaker 1: me that the Democrats then just become lazy. Am I

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Speaker 1: going too far out on the limb to say they

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Speaker 1: just after so many decades of people saying, but look

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Speaker 1: at this, but look at this, look at the data,

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Speaker 1: and then we see what happened here that were it

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Speaker 1: not for grassroots activists that it might not have turned

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Speaker 1: this way. So is the party in fact lazy when

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Speaker 1: it comes to Latinos and Latinas and what do we

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Speaker 1: what do Latinos and Latinas do with that? Starting right now?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't think they're lazy.

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Speaker 8: I think it's a failure of our nation's political elite

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Speaker 8: to embrace non white voters, non white interest, and non

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Speaker 8: white candidates. And it's costing us time, it's costing us money,

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Speaker 8: it's costing us the unnecessary loss of American lives. We

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Speaker 8: don't matter, and we see this across society. We're not

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Speaker 8: represented in media and entertainment. The political class that's commenting

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Speaker 8: on the election has no knowledge of Latinos. And then

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Speaker 8: we see this across government, across philanthropy, across academia.

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Speaker 10: We're invisible.

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Speaker 1: Can I jump in on that question, Yeah, absolutely, Alex.

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Speaker 3: Wo im heated.

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Speaker 2: Our communities are the collateral damage of these political elites

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Speaker 2: that are maintaining the status quo through centering swing voters,

696
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Speaker 2: centering these mythical outreach play to the middle or run

697
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Speaker 2: frantically to the middle approaches that are not working, and

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Speaker 2: they are hurting BIPOC communities. BIPOC communities, Black Indigenous communities

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Speaker 2: of color are demonstrating that we want a multi racial

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Speaker 2: progressive democracy. We are participating in a multiracial progressive democracy,

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Speaker 2: but we are running into the structural barriers of the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party establishment that is not outreaching in culturally nuanced ways.

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Speaker 2: All of our program is built around centering voters that

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Speaker 2: are under a seventy voter perce anticipation score, because those

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Speaker 2: are the people that often get left out. Those are

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Speaker 2: the people that we just registered to vote this year

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Speaker 2: and that wouldn't have gotten a phone call or a

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Speaker 2: touch if we had left it to the way that

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Speaker 2: the establishment outreaches to community, and we were able to

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Speaker 2: collectively knock on over a million doors, drive eight million

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Speaker 2: phone calls. The party can learn from our coalition.

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Speaker 1: Alex, how do you explain what some people are saying

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Speaker 1: is they're still kind of saying, well, Latinos and Latinas

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Speaker 1: delivered Florida for Trump. Latinos and Latinas did not deliver Texas.

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Speaker 1: Latinos and Latinas, you know, should have shown up in

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Speaker 1: larger numbers. There is a kind of critique also of like, oh,

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Speaker 1: what's the matter with Latino and Latina voters again? I mean,

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Speaker 1: have you been feeling that, Alex, and what's your response

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Speaker 1: to that?

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Speaker 3: We have been hearing it for years.

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Speaker 2: Latinos don't care, Communities of colors don't care. They're too expensive,

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Speaker 2: they're apathetic. And what we have shown in Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, Pennsylvania,

723
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Speaker 2: Wisconsin is that we have been paying attention, but we

724
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Speaker 2: needed to be invested in. And so there were a

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Speaker 2: group of innovative funders that decided to go all in

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Speaker 2: on our strategies and we were able to build the

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Speaker 2: robust campaigns that we needed to win. And when we

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Speaker 2: talk about who really turned out for Trump, they're trying

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Speaker 2: to throw our communities under the bus because who really

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Speaker 2: turned out for Trump?

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Speaker 3: We're still white people.

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Speaker 2: And so there is a reckoning that the Democratic Party

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Speaker 2: has to have with addressing race and educating their electorate

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Speaker 2: because they're going to keep losing if they center that

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Speaker 2: electorate and completely continue ignoring our communities.

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Speaker 1: So, sonya that very subtle or not so subtle? What's

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Speaker 1: the matter with Latino and Latina voters? Were you getting

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Speaker 1: those calls and questions?

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Speaker 8: And you know I was getting them through the lead

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Speaker 8: up to November three?

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Speaker 10: Here's my response.

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Speaker 8: We now have two cycles of empirical evidence that billions

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Speaker 8: of dollars focused on making white people change their mind

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Speaker 8: into cast a different ballot than they did in sixteen

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Speaker 8: yielded nothing more. White women voted for Trump this cycle.

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Speaker 8: And so when they say, oh, we've had the most

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Speaker 8: investment in latinos, give me a break, because every MO

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Speaker 8: has been tens of millions. This campaign was fourteen billion dollars.

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Speaker 8: And yet we have trusted messengers who have overcame miss

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Speaker 8: in for that was never adjudicated from twenty sixteen voter

751
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Speaker 8: suppression made possible by the Supreme Court's decision in twenty thirteen,

752
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Speaker 8: a global pandemic. And yet Latinos and blacks came out

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Speaker 8: in droves, and you know.

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Speaker 10: What, so did white voters. This was historic turnout.

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Speaker 8: Everybody turned out, one segment made their voice very clear.

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Speaker 10: And yet it's still what about Latinos? What about turnout?

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Speaker 4: Look?

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Speaker 8: Our data at UCLA main clear that Latinos provided that

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Speaker 8: razor thin edge to the coalition of non white voters

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Speaker 8: in Milwaukee, in Pennsylvania, in Georgia. And then let us

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Speaker 8: not forget Nevada, who no one wanted to go visit

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Speaker 8: and put money in, and then all of a sudden

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Speaker 8: expects them to come out. And yet this is on

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Speaker 8: account of the twenty twenty primary, where the caucus showed

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Speaker 8: insurmountable Latino voice that Carriae eat Senator Bernie Sanders to

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Speaker 8: victory in that state. The playbook was there, the infrast

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Speaker 8: structure was there, Yet all of the money continue to

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Speaker 8: go to this idea of persuading white voters not to

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Speaker 8: do the thing that they told you they.

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Speaker 3: Were going to do.

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Speaker 1: So I'm wondering, Alex, you live in Arizona, You've been

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Speaker 1: organizing for ten years, but how are you feeling about

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Speaker 1: your neighbors who are still there? Many of them, I imagine,

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Speaker 1: still with their Trump flags on their cars or in

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Speaker 1: front of their lawns.

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Speaker 2: The racism and the hate that this administration has fueled

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Speaker 2: is in fact alive and well, we have a lot

778
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Speaker 2: of work to do on making sure that our communities

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Speaker 2: are still safe because all of the violence that this

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Speaker 2: administration incited it's still there, whether it be physical, psychological,

781
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Speaker 2: or emotional as we saw it for over the past

782
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Speaker 2: four years. But we're also organizers, and that means that

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Speaker 2: we are going to demand all of the promises that

784
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Speaker 2: this new administration said that they were going to stand

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Speaker 2: behind our communities and deliver a pathway to citizenship, stop

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Speaker 2: the deportations of our families, invagorate the economy, provide relief

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Speaker 2: for COVID, a stimulus package. We're going to make sure

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Speaker 2: that those are delivered to our communities that have been

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Speaker 2: so hurt, especially under COVID.

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Speaker 1: Sonya, I want to give you a chance to just

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Speaker 1: drill down for a second, because you do the data.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Milwaukee, Wisconsin, you mentioned Detroit, Michigan, you mentioned Philadelphia, Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking Atlanta also. Can you give us a sense

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Speaker 1: of the numbers when you're talking about that razor thin.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Look, it was really really tight in a place

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Speaker 8: like Wisconsin. And when you have your vote share, meaning

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Speaker 8: the share of Latino voters who uniformly are coming out

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Speaker 8: in supportive VP Biden in the Democratic ticket, each and

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Speaker 8: every single one of those votes from those Latino voting

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Speaker 8: precincts is going to carry him to the White House.

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Speaker 8: So in Georgia, Gwenette County, which is a suburb of

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Speaker 8: the atl Biden got seventy five percent of the vote

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Speaker 8: in Latino precincts. And this is our data out of UCLA.

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Speaker 8: Look in Arizona. This is why this I'm just flabbergasted.

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Speaker 10: This is not you.

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Speaker 8: Twenty eighteen showed the power of the Latino vote in

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Speaker 8: flipping the House, and yet that return on investment was

808
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Speaker 8: not invested in so in Arizona, to Luca, Arizona, to Punta.

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Speaker 10: To all of the organizations there.

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Speaker 8: Seventy by five percent of Latino precincts in Maricopa supported Biden,

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Speaker 8: Pima County eighty percent, and then.

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Speaker 10: Uma Yuma seventy four percent. And here's the thing. Latinos

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Speaker 10: are everywhere. We're going to be that razor.

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Speaker 8: Thin margin in North Carolina, in Georgia, in Virginia, in

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Speaker 8: the Midwest, and then we're going to be the key

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Speaker 8: as to whether or not Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, and even

817
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Speaker 8: Texas can support Democrats or support somebody else. But ultimately,

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Speaker 8: it's not enough to ignore us, to not invest in us.

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Speaker 8: But then you're not giving us any substantive or descriptive representation.

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Speaker 10: You're not running us.

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Speaker 8: Why did California not send a Latino to the US

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Speaker 8: Senate in the nineteen nineties, We would have had a

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Speaker 8: national Latino political figure who inevitably would have ran for President.

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Speaker 1: So, Alex, what are you going to do now to

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Speaker 1: seize on this moment? Because this was just one election.

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Speaker 1: What's the plan for the next two years, the next

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Speaker 1: four years?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just really want to double down on

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Speaker 2: what Sonya said is not only do they need to

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Speaker 2: come learn from us, but they need to come now.

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Speaker 2: They need to come in early because we're not going

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Speaker 2: to wait until twenty twenty two when we have our

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Speaker 2: next governor's race. We're going to start making calls to

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Speaker 2: our communities tomorrow. That's what organizing means. That's what building

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Speaker 2: a relationship means. That's what not pandering means. It means

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Speaker 2: that we started two years ago preparing for the governor's race,

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Speaker 2: that we're going to have an opportunity to be able

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Speaker 2: to elect I'm gonna put it out here now the

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Speaker 2: next Latina governor in Arizona.

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Speaker 3: And so for us, that is.

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Speaker 2: The momentum that we're beginning to build. It's our People's

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Speaker 2: budget during this next legislative session that will focus on

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Speaker 2: early childhood education, temporary assistance for needy families, affordable housing,

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Speaker 2: adult education, and paid family leave. We have been working

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Speaker 2: that pol for over three years because we wanted to

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Speaker 2: start first with listening to our communities, and all of

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Speaker 2: those policy priorities came directly from our hinte demographics are

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Speaker 2: also not destiny, and so we need to make sure

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Speaker 2: that we are engaging our communities and making the process

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Speaker 2: accessible to the folks that are most at the margins.

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Speaker 1: So, Sonya your lessons. What should the Democrats and the

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Speaker 1: Republicans take away from what happened in Arizona and these

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Speaker 1: other places where Latino and Latina voters put Biden over

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Speaker 1: the top.

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Speaker 8: So many people want to look outside and they don't

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Speaker 8: want to look in the mirror, and white people need

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Speaker 8: to look in the mirror now. They need to stop

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Speaker 8: blaming communities that essentially safeguarded our democracy. This nation was

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Speaker 8: at the precipice of complete decimation, and yet it was

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Speaker 8: black around communities who are twice as likely to die

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Speaker 8: of COVID nineteen, who live in jurisdictions where there's voter suppression,

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Speaker 8: who are targeted by misinformation, who are ignored by the

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Speaker 8: political establishment that came out and cast a ballot and

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Speaker 8: were the winning coalition. This is really about what voters

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Speaker 8: want and what Americans want. They want good pain jobs,

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Speaker 8: they want access to healthcare. But what we know is

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Speaker 8: that we're in a culture war, and we're in a

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Speaker 8: war where some people just don't have the tools and

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Speaker 8: the money and.

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Speaker 10: Other people have it all. It's like COVID.

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Speaker 8: They live in places where they can stay home and

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Speaker 8: someone can come drop their food off and take care

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Speaker 8: of them, and other people are out there scrambling. And

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Speaker 8: so when we talk about systemic racism, when President elect

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Speaker 8: Biden talked about structural racism, what needs to happen is

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Speaker 8: policy changes that don't continue to leave Latinos and other

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Speaker 8: has they've excluded us on purpose.

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Speaker 10: That needs to stop.

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Speaker 8: The second thing is is that we need more leaders

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Speaker 8: that look like us, not just an elected office, but

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Speaker 10: And we don't need to be Secretary of HUD.

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Speaker 8: We need to be Attorney General of the United States

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Speaker 8: of America, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense.

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Speaker 10: And until that happens.

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Speaker 8: The mobilization that is occurring is going to continue to

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Speaker 8: be successful, with or without either party.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Alex, you're on the ground. You're the best

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Speaker 1: teacher possible lessons for the Democrats and the Republicans from

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Speaker 1: your state and the larger twenty twenty election.

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Speaker 2: Investing in communities that know how to do the work,

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Speaker 2: partnering with organizations like ours, and doing the work year round,

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Speaker 2: doing the work year round, talking to voters, building a

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Speaker 2: our elections. Building durable, sustained coalitions that last and can

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Speaker 1: Alex Gomez Sonja DS, thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 1: me on Let You Know USA.

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Speaker 10: Thank you so much, Thank you.

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Speaker 7: Stay safe.

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