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Speaker 2: What kind of a show you guys putting on here today?
Speaker 2: You're not interested in armed now?
Speaker 1: No, Look, we're going to do this thing.
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Speaker 2: Conversation with this week's archive drop Josh and Spider Man
Speaker 2: having just been released in theaters. We're keeping the superhero
Speaker 2: theme going a little bit. We're going back to twenty
Speaker 2: eighteen when Ryan Coogler's Black Panther came out and we
Speaker 2: did a corresponding top five that I remember thinking was
Speaker 2: a lot of fun. I like it when we have
Speaker 2: to get imaginative like this, and looking back at my list,
Speaker 2: I have to say I'm still proud of this. I mean,
Speaker 2: we'll see, Okay, if people listen to this and they think,
Speaker 2: I don't know why you're proud of this, this list sucks,
Speaker 2: But I want to see these movies. I'm not so
Speaker 2: sure about my number five. This filmmaker has been kind
Speaker 2: of off the radar since twenty eighteen. But those top
Speaker 2: four I want to see these movies. What about you
Speaker 2: in your list?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you feel that way. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: mine and a little confused. I'm thinking my number five
Speaker 1: is possibly a joke or at least a riff on
Speaker 1: a long running yes Baby on the show that might be.
Speaker 1: And here, while we're talking, I'm not sure I even
Speaker 1: know who the superhero is in my number four. I
Speaker 1: have an idea. Let me google it real quick. My
Speaker 1: number four pick. Let's see here, is this the guy
Speaker 1: i'm thinking of? Yes, it is okay, good, So I
Speaker 1: do still remember my number four pick. My number one
Speaker 1: through three though really strong. I feel really good about those.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think plane producer. I think we should
Speaker 1: be hired. I think you know, a studio at this
Speaker 1: point honestly should hire us. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: can learn more. From February twenty eighteen, here are the
Speaker 2: top five superhero director combos that we would like to see.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: So that was what if? Wes Anderson directed The X
Speaker 2: Men by Patrick H. Williams, a video you can find
Speaker 2: on YouTube, or you can go to our show notes
Speaker 2: at filmspotting dot net for this episode and find a
Speaker 2: link there. Now you and Sam behind the scenes here,
Speaker 2: you you upiteat Wes Anderson fanatics had to say it
Speaker 2: was just okay, but you have to admit it's inspired.
Speaker 2: It's basically it's the Royal Tenen bombs. But if it
Speaker 2: was an X Men movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And I think it's it's interesting that Anderson
Speaker 1: is one of the first people that come to mind
Speaker 1: when you throw this question out there, because he does
Speaker 1: have such a distinctive style. You'll also see what if
Speaker 1: Wes Anderson did a horror movie or what if he
Speaker 1: did this? You know. So he's just one of those
Speaker 1: filmmas people would like to see thrown at something completely
Speaker 1: different from what they've been doing. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I quite approached this top five that way.
Speaker 2: Though, really I was sure Wes Anderson was your one.
Speaker 2: Though he's not variations on a theme.
Speaker 1: It's weird because I think I just love his stuff
Speaker 1: so much. I kind of don't And this doesn't to
Speaker 1: mean that I consider it slumming to take on a
Speaker 1: superhero franchise, but I just don't want him to do that.
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about that a little bit here. The
Speaker 2: impetus behind this. I mean, obviously we were looking for
Speaker 2: a tie in with Black Panther, and it's a good
Speaker 2: one for reasons we touched on during that review in
Speaker 2: that you would not think probably that the guy who
Speaker 2: made fruit Vale station just going off that movie would
Speaker 2: eventually make this Marvel Cinematic Universe movie. But we're glad
Speaker 2: he did. And there are other examples of this coming
Speaker 2: up too. I just only a day or two ago,
Speaker 2: working on this list, googled the Captain Marvel movie that's
Speaker 2: coming out with Bree Larson as Captain Marvel. Do you
Speaker 2: know who's directing that movie?
Speaker 1: I knew it, but I forgot.
Speaker 2: It's Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck. That's right, the people
Speaker 2: who made It's kind of a funny story in Sugar
Speaker 2: and Half Nelson. These indeed directors who you would never
Speaker 2: imagine making a tent pole franchise movie, but the kind
Speaker 2: of directors that we would put up and hope would
Speaker 2: maybe one day make that kind of movie and bring
Speaker 2: a little bit of a different personality to it. So
Speaker 2: that's kind of where we're going with this list.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we should also note that this was first
Speaker 1: suggested by a Film Spotting Advisory Board member, Corn Dog. Yes.
Speaker 2: I don't know why are you laughing if.
Speaker 1: Corn Dog wants to change that name now that we're
Speaker 1: using it on the air, But it was a fun idea.
Speaker 1: I think it's a promising idea, especially if you think
Speaker 1: about approaching it not just from the curiosity factor, but
Speaker 1: really trying to match a director's sensibility with the sensibility
Speaker 1: of the comic book or maybe of the character that's it.
Speaker 1: And once I started doing that, it was kind of
Speaker 1: a fun thought experiment to engage in.
Speaker 2: I'm with you said this last week when we were
Speaker 2: teasing this top five, This was as much fun as
Speaker 2: I've had putting together any recent top five list. And
Speaker 2: we'll see if the results speak to that. But just
Speaker 2: a little bit more set up, and I think I
Speaker 2: expressed these concerns a little last week. I was worried
Speaker 2: at first when we were kicking this around that we
Speaker 2: both didn't have enough geek cred to really go down
Speaker 2: this path that will reveal itself. You will see that
Speaker 2: we are limited, I think, or I'm just going to
Speaker 2: speak for myself, I'm limited when it comes to knowing
Speaker 2: the vocabulary around some of these superheroes and their origins
Speaker 2: and their powers and all of the legacy that's in
Speaker 2: place with them. So bear with us and be patient
Speaker 2: a little bit. Also, it's not as if you and
Speaker 2: I are sitting around all the time talking about our
Speaker 2: love and fascination with superhero movies, nor do we think
Speaker 2: that this is the end all, be all trajectory for
Speaker 2: our favorite director. Correct, they don't need to make a
Speaker 2: superhero movie in order for us to appreciate them or
Speaker 2: really to be taken seriously. I don't think. Probably I
Speaker 2: could be wrong, but I don't think Sean Baker from
Speaker 2: the Florida Project is probably sitting around pining for his
Speaker 2: opportunity to make a Marvel or DC movie. But maybe
Speaker 2: he is. I do understand that it reflects to a
Speaker 2: certain extent standing in the industry, and not only that,
Speaker 2: maybe more importantly, Josh, the opportunity for different voices to
Speaker 2: take on these works, right, that's really what's most important.
Speaker 2: I was just trying to get to get some new
Speaker 2: perspective and a new vision. So it is about that
Speaker 2: marriage of the material, the director, and the superhero and
Speaker 2: maybe the star. One other example of this, just a
Speaker 2: few days ago, Slash Film had an article about Alex Garland,
Speaker 2: the director of Annihilation. We're going to discuss that here
Speaker 2: on an upcoming episode. And he has some history with
Speaker 2: comic book movies because before Annihilation and ex Machina as
Speaker 2: a screenwriter he did write the comic book adaptation for Dread,
Speaker 2: and he was asked in a Reddit ama, I think
Speaker 2: just recently what comic book movie he would make if
Speaker 2: he could, and his answer was swamp Thing. He didn't
Speaker 2: go into a lot of detail, but I'm just quoting
Speaker 2: here from the slash Film article. It says, judging by
Speaker 2: his talent for approaching pulpy sci fi elements through a
Speaker 2: restrained humanistic lens, he could be a fantastic fit. His
Speaker 2: work behind the camera with X Makana and Annihilation, as
Speaker 2: well as his work on scripts for Never Let Me
Speaker 2: Go in Sunshine, prove him to be a challenging, ambitious
Speaker 2: sci fi filmmaker who seeks to explore the meaning of
Speaker 2: human identity. So if you go with that background, matching
Speaker 2: him with something like swamp Thing makes sense. I think
Speaker 2: that's kind of where we were both going with these lists, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And speaking of swamp Thing, I'll share one
Speaker 1: listener suggestion right off the top here, because we got
Speaker 1: a ton of them on social media. But Jason Knight
Speaker 1: suggested for swamp Thing Jeff Nichols, which I also think
Speaker 1: is intriguing. Okay, we got it. We'll share some more
Speaker 1: of these listeners.
Speaker 2: Is that like a sootype.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's kind of a Southern Gothic vibe.
Speaker 1: Maybe it maybe it'll work. Okay, let's see if you
Speaker 1: think my number five might work. I can't wait Sophia
Speaker 1: Coppola making Aqua Woman. Now you know where I'm going
Speaker 1: with this. I do the movie made up so disappointed
Speaker 1: that Sophia Coppola's live action Little Mermaid movie never came
Speaker 1: to pass. It did exist at one point, Adam, it
Speaker 1: did exist. Well, maybe this could be the next best thing.
Speaker 1: I'll admit, speaking to our cred. Aqua Woman is not
Speaker 1: one of those comic book characters that I'm very familiar with.
Speaker 1: From what I could tell, she's relatively new, first introduced
Speaker 1: around twenty fourteen, I think, as part of DC's Earth
Speaker 1: two series. So there aren't really decades of mythology to
Speaker 1: deal with here. And I think that's okay, because I
Speaker 1: basically want Copola to take this basic framework and aquatic
Speaker 1: superheroin and use that canvas to offer you know what
Speaker 1: she usually does, a portrait of a very specific sort
Speaker 1: of femininity. Now, if that sounds far fetched, keep in
Speaker 1: mind that most of Copola's movies seem to be taking
Speaker 1: place underwater anyway, when you think about how they're described,
Speaker 1: like words like languid come up. There's slow movements within them.
Speaker 1: There's just a a flow. The characters flow in Coppola's movies.
Speaker 1: So I think in some ways this would be something
Speaker 1: of a natural fit from an esthetic standpoint. Now, you
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that you thought about casting these films as well,
Speaker 1: So I've been thinking about who might be able to
Speaker 1: play Aqua woman, and I'm just going to go back
Speaker 1: to someone who's worked with Coppola about the right age.
Speaker 1: I would expect El Fanning, who was in The Beguiled
Speaker 1: with her. I could see she's kind of watery. I
Speaker 1: think when I think of El Fanning, that word comes
Speaker 1: to mind. So maybe maybe that would work. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: not too stoked about this year's Aquaman movie. Speaking of
Speaker 1: superhero exhaustion, I think stoked is maybe the right word
Speaker 1: to use. Jason Momoa, you seem to be going for
Speaker 1: aqua dude more than anything else. But if Sophia Coppola
Speaker 1: had Aqua woman coming out, I would be into it.
Speaker 2: Okay. I would be intrigued as well. And Jason Momoa
Speaker 2: a nice transition into my number five because my director
Speaker 2: last directed Momoa in her recent film. I'm going to
Speaker 2: give this to you. I'm gonna give my choices to
Speaker 2: you as if you are the studio head and I'm
Speaker 2: pitching it okay to you. So I'm gonna give you
Speaker 2: the director and the title and the actor and see
Speaker 2: how you react. Now, this one may stump you a
Speaker 2: little bit because I don't think you're as familiar with
Speaker 2: this director's work, and I don't think you'll place the
Speaker 2: actress's name either. I could be wrong. This is the
Speaker 2: only one rejected. It will do that. So you're already
Speaker 2: it's like she's not a big enoughisode. It's over. Okay, Sorry,
Speaker 2: Next my number five superhero director Combo I'd like to
Speaker 2: see is Anna Lily ahmerpors Ms Marvel starring goal shifta Farahni. Okay,
Speaker 2: go shifta Farahni, and I'll get to a reason why
Speaker 2: in a moment, at least one reason why she's a
Speaker 2: problematic fit. Here is Patterson's wife in the movie Yeah
Speaker 2: Patterson starring opposite Adam Driver and that Jim Jarmish movie.
Speaker 2: She is an Iranian actress, and that dissent is important
Speaker 2: as this is the description of Mis Marvel that Comic Vine,
Speaker 2: a website gives this new Mis Marvel. Anyway, Kamala Khan
Speaker 2: is the girl's name. She is a shape shifting Muslim
Speaker 2: Pakistani American teenager from New Jersey who becomes the newest
Speaker 2: holder of the Mis Marvel identity. So, without knowing all
Speaker 2: the history of this, there have been different Miss Marvels
Speaker 2: over the years. It was a counter to Captain Marvel.
Speaker 2: Carol Danvers was the original Mis Marvel, and that is
Speaker 2: who Brie Larson is playing as I understand it in
Speaker 2: the Captain Marvel movie. So Miss Marvel has been this
Speaker 2: kind of go to figure throughout the Marvel universe over
Speaker 2: the years, and now in its current imagining, she is
Speaker 2: a sixteen year old Pakistani American girl from New Jersey.
Speaker 2: So this was the hardest to cast because I'm going
Speaker 2: to confess I can't think of any Pakistani American teenage
Speaker 2: actresses off the top of my head, and I did
Speaker 2: google a little bit. I found actresses that act in
Speaker 2: movies not here in the United States, not in Hollywood movies,
Speaker 2: So that wouldn't do me much good. Go shift of
Speaker 2: I think is really wonderful in Patterson. She's also in
Speaker 2: Body of Lies. She plays a Jordanian in that film
Speaker 2: opposite Leo DiCaprio. That was the Ridley Scott film from
Speaker 2: a few years back. But she is thirty four. She
Speaker 2: doesn't look thirty four to me. She looks maybe mid
Speaker 2: twenties at best. I don't know that she could pass
Speaker 2: as a sixteen year old. I will open this up
Speaker 2: to other people who might be more enlightened than me
Speaker 2: and can suggest someone who could really play Ms Marvel.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons that I think this character could
Speaker 2: be so fascinating to see on screen, and this goes
Speaker 2: back to something we talked about during Black Panther and
Speaker 2: also our recent conversation where we revisited The Last Jedi.
Speaker 2: The idea of diversity came up and someone challenged it,
Speaker 2: saying it was a weakness of the Last Jedi. I
Speaker 2: took issue with that, and one of the things I
Speaker 2: don't think I pointed out in my argument, even though
Speaker 2: it belonged and is certainly a no brainer, is that
Speaker 2: everybody deserves. Everyone deserves to see themselves represented on screen,
Speaker 2: to see themselves reflected back, whether that's an everyday reflection
Speaker 2: of who they are or it's a fantastic version of
Speaker 2: who they are. And just last night, as I was
Speaker 2: jotting down my notes, I went to Twitter and I
Speaker 2: did a search for mis Marvel just to see if
Speaker 2: anybody is saying anything about her. What's the dialogue around
Speaker 2: this character right now? And a user named at Foxville
Speaker 2: underscore Art who says she's a visual development artist and
Speaker 2: illustrator and she's co host of at the Art Corner podcast.
Speaker 2: She wrote this, growing up, I never saw anyone who
Speaker 2: looked like me, a Pakistani Muslim immigrant in the media
Speaker 2: I consumed, let alone an actual crime fighting superhero. I'm
Speaker 2: so thankful for mis Marvel. I think we'd all be
Speaker 2: thankful to see that character on screen. And I do
Speaker 2: like the meta narrative element to this as well. Josh
Speaker 2: where based on what I read about Kamala Khan, she
Speaker 2: was someone who was obsessed with superheroes and comic books
Speaker 2: and Miss Marvel in particular, and then when she basically
Speaker 2: gained these powers that she gained, she decided to take
Speaker 2: on this persona, which seems so appropriate for this age
Speaker 2: we live in right now, this fanboy and fangirl age
Speaker 2: and just the fact that she is someone who is
Speaker 2: discussed as someone who is an outsider, who always felt different,
Speaker 2: who is cast out a little bit at school, and
Speaker 2: takes on this persona to help people, just to help
Speaker 2: people because she's inherently compassionate. Also seems like a character
Speaker 2: we all need to see right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. And Armorer was another filmmaker who I.
Speaker 2: Didn't even talk about it a lot, you know, a
Speaker 2: lot all that rambling, and I didn't even talk about
Speaker 2: the director.
Speaker 1: But a lot of listeners pegged her right away as
Speaker 1: someone who could pull off one of these films. Of course, Yeah,
Speaker 1: directed the Bad Batch And a Girl Walks home Alone
Speaker 1: at night?
Speaker 2: Yes, And when I thought of Kamala Khan, and when
Speaker 2: I saw some of the pictures, even though it couldn't
Speaker 2: be more different because they're very colorful, and a girl
Speaker 2: walks home alone at night is in black and white.
Speaker 2: But the first character, the first actress I envisioned, is
Speaker 2: Sheila Vand who is that girl who walks home alone
Speaker 2: at night? And so that sense of being an outsider,
Speaker 2: being different, being alienated from those around you, and yet
Speaker 2: trying to assimilate, that's very much at the core as well.
Speaker 2: Of the bad Batch. Even though it's a very different
Speaker 2: movie than A Girl Walks home alone night, she just
Speaker 2: seems like the right director for that character and material.
Speaker 1: All Right, we're at my number four. I guess I
Speaker 1: would say, Adam, I dabbled in comics more than anything
Speaker 1: else when I was younger. I'd pick them up here
Speaker 1: and there. Probably the age I was most into them
Speaker 1: was middle school. And that's also when I embarked on
Speaker 1: a get rich quick comics scheme that didn't really pan out.
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty six, Marvel tried to launch a completely
Speaker 1: original series of superheroes under this New Universe banner. I
Speaker 1: think there were about eight made from scratch characters or teams.
Speaker 1: I middle school me saw an investment opportunity, Adam, so
Speaker 1: I shelled out the seventy five cents each. This was
Speaker 1: in eighty six, for the first five issues of each series.
Speaker 1: Guess how much they're worth now? I checked while putting
Speaker 1: together this list. Eighty five cents a dollar seventy each. Atam,
Speaker 1: I thank you very much. According to my math, I
Speaker 1: doubled my money. More than double my money. Some of
Speaker 1: these were really cheesy. I found these in a drawer
Speaker 1: over The Weekend Kickers Ink was a team of former
Speaker 1: football players. Not too cool, but I do remember rejected
Speaker 1: good move. There was one that I liked for more
Speaker 1: than investment purposes called night Mask, a character created by
Speaker 1: Archie Goodwin. This is a team with the ability to
Speaker 1: enter other people's dreams. Now. Night Mask had this goth look.
Speaker 1: There was a black, high colored cape that he wears
Speaker 1: and it ends in these tendrils. And with its dreamscapes,
Speaker 1: the comic gives ample opportunity for really surrealistic flourishes. So
Speaker 1: who do I want to see make the night Mask movie? Well,
Speaker 1: I think Tim Burton still has a great movie in him.
Speaker 1: And before you scoff, here's the Kicker. I want his
Speaker 1: night Mask to be stop motion. There are definitely some
Speaker 1: Jack Skellington touches to night Masks. Look, i'd even here.
Speaker 1: Here's how much I'm committed to this, Adam. I will
Speaker 1: put my earnings from my new Universe collection. I'll sell
Speaker 1: them all and put that towards seed mon.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for the night Mask, get it off the ground.
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about night Mask, but Tim Burton's
Speaker 2: night Mask does sound right. Josh so good pick Okay,
Speaker 2: let's see how you take to my number four, obviously
Speaker 2: inspired by a recent discussion here on the show David
Speaker 2: Cronenberg's Angel starring Timothy Shallowmey.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to fill me an un angel.
Speaker 2: So Angel you have seen on screen before? Because I
Speaker 2: am guessing though you probably skipped X Men Apocalypse as
Speaker 2: I did, the one starring Oscar Isaac, the recent one,
Speaker 2: have not seen that? You did see the Brett Ratner
Speaker 2: directed X Men The Last Stand? Or am I wrong?
Speaker 1: I wish I had that information readily available.
Speaker 2: Okay, Ben Foster, the Great Ben Foster, Yeah, okay, the
Speaker 2: very blonde angel in X Men The Last Stand and
Speaker 2: his namesake. His real name is Kenneth Worthington the Third.
Speaker 2: I'm just going off of Marvel's wikia here. He is
Speaker 2: the mutant son of the wealthy Warren K. Worthington Junior
Speaker 2: and his wife Catherine, neither of whom were aware that
Speaker 2: their son had developed. This is where Cronerberg comes in.
Speaker 2: Josh a pair of large feathered wings extending from his back,
Speaker 2: enabling him to fly. If you go back and watch
Speaker 2: in that scene, can't you the body horror of that?
Speaker 2: If you go back and watch that scene from X
Speaker 2: Men The Last Stand. That's basically what we get. We
Speaker 2: get a flashback to the younger Ben Foster character, the
Speaker 2: younger Warren Worthington, who is actually trying to cut off
Speaker 2: the wings from his back. He's so ashamed of them
Speaker 2: that he's trying to cut them from his body in
Speaker 2: a scene that isn't really that disturbing. It's not what
Speaker 2: David Croneberg would do with it, but you could imagine
Speaker 2: what he might do with it. And then later we
Speaker 2: see when he finally kind of revels in the full
Speaker 2: force of his wings when he does come out to
Speaker 2: his family, and that's one of those metaphors or one
Speaker 2: of those analogies that go with a lot of X
Speaker 2: Men characters, and it certainly ties to Warren Worthington as well. Now,
Speaker 2: depending on the movie and its scope, he could also
Speaker 2: turn into archangel, which he does and apparently this happens
Speaker 2: in X Men Apocalypse. Apocalypse turns him into this dark,
Speaker 2: foreboding character who merges with technology, and those wings go
Speaker 2: from being feathers to these, as they're described in front
Speaker 2: of me, techno organic wings. He can fly higher and
Speaker 2: faster and their razor sharp with feathers that are throne
Speaker 2: as blades with the neurotoxin.
Speaker 1: We're really in video drum territory, are.
Speaker 2: Aren't we. So that's the thing. It's just something about
Speaker 2: that combination of body horror and potentially body and technology
Speaker 2: converging the consequences of that convergence that seems so appropriate
Speaker 2: for Cronenberg and then Chalome. I'm going with Chalome because
Speaker 2: he's probably the actor I'm most curious to see whatever
Speaker 2: he does next. At this point, I feel like he
Speaker 2: can do just about anything. And even though his hair
Speaker 2: is obviously dark, depending on what Angel you go with,
Speaker 2: if you google him, usually you'll find someone who has
Speaker 2: either very long, flowing blonde locks or well quoafed, sort
Speaker 2: of straight up kind of hair, but longish and shallow.
Speaker 2: May I think if you dyed that hair blonde, there's
Speaker 2: just something about that that screams Angel to me. And
Speaker 2: I think I'm also just naturally playing off of the
Speaker 2: character we see and call me by your name too,
Speaker 2: who is a rich kid. He's a little bit entitled,
Speaker 2: but there's also a fundamental goodness to him, and he's
Speaker 2: someone who's determined to discover who he really is, so
Speaker 2: playing off of that Elio character. And call me by
Speaker 2: your name, dye that hair blonde, give him some wings,
Speaker 2: and he's Angel.
Speaker 1: That's good, but you should know I am also considering
Speaker 1: a proposal via Twitter from at Hugh Underscore Goldolphin David Cronenberg's.
Speaker 2: Hulk, So pretty good match. That makes sense, but.
Speaker 1: Maybe he can do both. We'll see maybe, all right.
Speaker 1: My number three is Anna Rose Holmer's Doctor Strange.
Speaker 2: Ooh.
Speaker 1: Now, the winner of the twenty sixteen film Spotting Golden
Speaker 1: Brick Award, has yet to announce her next feature project,
Speaker 1: so I say give her the next installment in the
Speaker 1: Doctor Strange series. We recognized Homer for The Fits, a
Speaker 1: spectral indie in which the members of a competitive girls
Speaker 1: dance team begin to suffer these unexplained seizures, and the
Speaker 1: Fits is very much rooted in reality, but here and
Speaker 1: there Homer offers these subtle cinematic flourishes that flirt with
Speaker 1: the supernatural. And then there's that ending, which launches us
Speaker 1: unexpectedly and really without much explanation, entirely into the realm
Speaker 1: of the metaphysical. I don't want to spoil it because
Speaker 1: some listeners might actually have not seen The Fits yet,
Speaker 1: and you should really see The Fits. Well. Doctor Strange
Speaker 1: takes place almost entirely in the metaphysical, and while I
Speaker 1: like the first film well enough, I do think that,
Speaker 1: like so many of the Marvel movies, it was in
Speaker 1: danger of being swallowed up by the CGI in order
Speaker 1: to depict this metaphysical world. So I'd be really curious
Speaker 1: to see how Homer's low fi approach might shake things up.
Speaker 2: A yeah, great tie into my number three, Josh, because
Speaker 2: initially Anna Rose Holmer was the director I had attached
Speaker 2: to my project. Really, so, okay, she's gonna be very
Speaker 2: busy yes at film spotting studios, but I did back
Speaker 2: her out. I went with another director, even though Holmer
Speaker 2: could do a wonderful job. I think this is going
Speaker 2: to be your favorite of all of my pitches, all right.
Speaker 2: Sarah Paully's Rogue starring Anya Taylor joy Ooh, the actress
Speaker 2: of course from Split recently and The Witch, which is
Speaker 2: where I think we both discovered her. And I'll get
Speaker 2: to why I'm going with Polly in a moment, but
Speaker 2: you probably remember Rogue. Anna Paclan played her in the
Speaker 2: Brian Singer X Men movies. And just based off of appearance,
Speaker 2: there is something otherworldly, immediately otherworldly about Anya Taylor Joy.
Speaker 2: There is just a haunted aspect to her that I
Speaker 2: think is so fitting with the rogue character. But I
Speaker 2: also think she's able to bring the sense of playfulness
Speaker 2: she might need as well being a teen girl or
Speaker 2: a twenty something girl. She does have this dark past
Speaker 2: based on what I've read about Rogues past. She was
Speaker 2: raised by her aunt Carrie after some tragedy involving her parents,
Speaker 2: and she ran away and she's taken in by Mystique,
Speaker 2: who we know from those movies is connected to Magneto
Speaker 2: and her power. Basically, her mutant power is that whenever
Speaker 2: she touches someone, she takes their powers from them. And
Speaker 2: it all started with and this is depicted in those
Speaker 2: X Men movies a Kiss. She has her first teenage
Speaker 2: kiss and her mind fills with all his memories and
Speaker 2: he falls into a permanent coma, and so then she's
Speaker 2: always on the run. She's always haunted by that experience,
Speaker 2: and she doesn't know how she can really engage with
Speaker 2: society with that type of power that she could inflict
Speaker 2: on other people. So I mentioned Taylor Joy. I looked
Speaker 2: up her origin. She's Argentine, British and born in Miami.
Speaker 2: There's just something unconventional about her appearance that I think
Speaker 2: is fitting for the Rogue character. And apparently someone beat
Speaker 2: me to it, because I did discover that she's already
Speaker 2: been cast in a Fox spinoff, The New Mutants. She
Speaker 2: plays Magic, a character named Magic, a girl who has
Speaker 2: learned sorcery and uses teleportation discs to travel. I didn't
Speaker 2: discover that until I'd already cast her in my movie. Though. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know Marvel's against that you can't play different superheroes,
Speaker 2: but she's gonna be in my version of Rogue, directed
Speaker 2: by Sarah Paully. And here's why I went with Polly.
Speaker 2: You think about take this Waltz. Away from her stories
Speaker 2: we tell they ask questions about origins, where you come from?
Speaker 2: Even to be very literal about it, who are my parents?
Speaker 2: Who do I latch onto as my parents? A movie
Speaker 2: like away from Her, you have characters who are no
Speaker 2: longer in control of themselves. Whether it's your mind or
Speaker 2: your body, you're not in control of it. And then
Speaker 2: even take this Waltz, the movie starring Michelle Williams and
Speaker 2: Seth Rogan. It's all about that physical disconnect and the
Speaker 2: frustration that comes from a lack of intimacy, which obviously
Speaker 2: afflicts this rogue character.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling that of all the directors we're
Speaker 1: talking about, Sarah Polly would be the one to say
Speaker 1: absolutely not probably thinking not a comic book movie, but
Speaker 1: I for one, would be very intrigued to see her
Speaker 1: try to do it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Let's get to some listener feedback here. We did
Speaker 2: get some great voicemails with their picks for superhero director
Speaker 2: combos they'd like to see.
Speaker 6: Hey, Adam and josh as Ben Howis from North Hellow, California,
Speaker 6: culling in for my choice for who should direct a
Speaker 6: superhero film who has not yet? I guess you could
Speaker 6: consider it a point break a superhero film, But yes,
Speaker 6: I'm picking Catherine Bigelow, who's never acted a true superhero film.
Speaker 1: Let's be on it.
Speaker 6: I think she's a fabulous action director. But even though
Speaker 6: I liked her first two collaborations with Mark Bull, really
Speaker 6: did not like Detroit and I kind of she'd move on,
Speaker 6: and I feel like a superhero movie might be an
Speaker 6: interesting way to do so. Particularly he picks up what interesting.
Speaker 6: I would pick Green Arrow. He has a very popular
Speaker 6: shown CW, which is really unfortunate because it's pretty much
Speaker 6: nothing to do with Green Arrow. It's more about hot
Speaker 6: guys and apps, which has its place. But the actual
Speaker 6: Green Arrow is sort of a rebel, a seventies creation
Speaker 6: who's a guy who fights against corruption and financial abuse
Speaker 6: and in sort of a post two thousand and eight,
Speaker 6: post big Short world, I feel like we could go
Speaker 6: have some interesting discussions about a guy maybe taking down
Speaker 6: corrupt bankers and the like and what does that mean?
Speaker 6: And I think she could sort of go back to
Speaker 6: her old exciting point break era Strange Days style filmmaking,
Speaker 6: but still have some of that political relevance that she
Speaker 6: loves so much in her modern films and create something
Speaker 6: really interesting. I feel like we need a superhero film
Speaker 6: that actually, I don't know, pisses people off and causes
Speaker 6: a little bit of controversy and things like that. I
Speaker 6: think that might be interesting. So Katherine Bigelow, please come
Speaker 6: back and make cool action movies. I miss you doing
Speaker 6: so all right, touch you all later bye.
Speaker 2: I'd pay to see Catherine Bigelow's controversial Green Arrow, wouldn't.
Speaker 1: You you know what? I thought might be along those
Speaker 1: lines controversial for her as well to take on a
Speaker 1: Captain America movie. I mean, think about the ways, as
Speaker 1: Ben was mentioning, she has explored and interrogated the notion
Speaker 1: of patriots.
Speaker 2: Good word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to let her loose on that might be fun
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: We're at your number two, Josh.
Speaker 1: Okay for number two, this follows nicely your number three,
Speaker 1: which was a pick of an X Men character who
Speaker 1: hasn't really gotten their full due in some ways. Mine
Speaker 1: is going to be Storm, and the director for that
Speaker 1: character I think should be de Re's now. Storm has
Speaker 1: been played by Halle Berry and alec Xandra Ship. So far,
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 2: You're going Mary j Blische might be a little on.
Speaker 1: The older end. Okay, do I have someone cast for this?
Speaker 1: Let me think about that. I'll see if I can
Speaker 1: give you some come back to it. But for the
Speaker 1: Storm movie and d Reees, I think there are a
Speaker 1: couple of reasons this is a nice pairing. Reees has obviously,
Speaker 1: as an African American woman, been a boundary breaking filmmaker,
Speaker 1: with twenty eleven's Pariah and last year's Mudbound and Storm
Speaker 1: boundary breaking character from what I could tell the first
Speaker 1: black female superhero. Now, of course, the character was created
Speaker 1: by white guys Okay Lenn Wine and Dave Cockrum in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five, and she's largely been depicted by white men,
Speaker 1: both on the page and on the screen, so obviously
Speaker 1: there are limitations to that, and I think that's why
Speaker 1: rees could bring such a different and exciting perspective to
Speaker 1: the character beyond the identity politics.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: Reeves showed with mud Bound in particular that she has
Speaker 1: an eye for landscape and weather. Think about that rainstorm
Speaker 1: that Mudbound opens with, and Storm's power, of course, is
Speaker 1: the ability to control just those things. I'd suggest that
Speaker 1: Ree's also reteam with Rachel Morrison, who's up for an
Speaker 1: Oscars for her work on mud Bound. Okay, so who
Speaker 1: should play Storm? How about Tiana Parris, who was in
Speaker 1: Dear White People and who I loved in Spike Lee's Shirak.
Speaker 1: The sort of the lead role there really good. She
Speaker 1: might make for a strong Storm.
Speaker 2: I like it, And we're going to go from your pick.
Speaker 2: What did you say, the first black female superhero? I
Speaker 2: think so, Okay, Well, I've got the first black superhero,
Speaker 2: at least in the DC Universe at my number two,
Speaker 2: how about Josh Jordan Peel's Green Lantern starring Daniel Koluja.
Speaker 1: Man, I can see this one happening me too.
Speaker 2: And I don't mean that they're playing Hal Jordan, the
Speaker 2: character that Ryan Reynolds played in the Green Lantern movie,
Speaker 2: but he would play John Stewart, who debuted in Volume two,
Speaker 2: number eighty seven back in December nineteen seventy one. Basically,
Speaker 2: the artist Neil Adams came up with the notion of
Speaker 2: having a substitute Green Lantern, and as it says here
Speaker 2: from I think Wikipedia or maybe a DC site, the
Speaker 2: decision to make the character black resulted from a conversation
Speaker 2: between Adams and editor Julia Schwartz, in which Adams recounts
Speaker 2: saying that given the racial makeup of the world's population,
Speaker 2: we ought to have a black Green Lantern, not because
Speaker 2: we're liberals, but because it just makes sense. And the
Speaker 2: character was DC's first black superhero. So he's been a
Speaker 2: recurring character in the Green Lantern universe ever since nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy one, sometimes stepping in for how Jordan. At one
Speaker 2: point he stepped down as Green Lantern, and I think
Speaker 2: what it is, Josh, is the idea for me of
Speaker 2: seeing a comedic take on the superhero genre. I know
Speaker 2: we've seen it to an extent with some of the
Speaker 2: humor and Guardians of the Galaxy, but really the vision
Speaker 2: and the comedic sense of a director like Jordan Peele.
Speaker 2: And maybe that's partly because I have seen the Ryan
Speaker 2: Reynolds Green Lantern, which I think a lot of us
Speaker 2: would agree was unintentionally funny.
Speaker 1: Are you going to force me to admit that I
Speaker 1: liked that movie?
Speaker 2: God, well, this was worth it, just so you're on
Speaker 2: the record saying you liked that movie.
Speaker 1: But ro Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern.
Speaker 2: See see that movie is unintentionally comic. I'd like to
Speaker 2: see an intentionally comic take on Jon Stewart and Green Lantern.
Speaker 2: And I think, obviously the racial overtones of everything we
Speaker 2: just described, Jordan Peele would be the best person to
Speaker 2: navigate that serious but also potentially hilarious terrain. And it
Speaker 2: turns out I'm not that far off. In doing some research, Josh,
Speaker 2: apparently Warner Brothers, at least I found this on a
Speaker 2: website somewhere. Warner Brothers back in two thousand and four
Speaker 2: hired Robert Smigel to make a Green Lantern comedy starring
Speaker 2: Jack Black. Smigel said an interview that the premise that
Speaker 2: the wrong guy gets the ring and can do all
Speaker 2: kinds of goofy visual jokes because the visuals are so
Speaker 2: potentially ridiculous. What appealed to me about it on a
Speaker 2: comedic level was that in order to be a superhero
Speaker 2: this requires no physical skill or talent. All it requires
Speaker 2: is owning this ring automatically. That's a comedic premise. He's right,
Speaker 2: He articulated way better than I could. The fact that
Speaker 2: Green Lantern has just always struck me as a little
Speaker 2: bit silly, and so bringing someone like Jordan Peele to
Speaker 2: that material makes sense now. I also learned that there
Speaker 2: is a movie that is scheduled to come out part
Speaker 2: of this whole universe of films twenty twenty Green Lantern
Speaker 2: core Man. At this point, there's no director attached. Maybe
Speaker 2: they'll listen. There's no director attached, but it is described as,
Speaker 2: according to one website, lethal weapon in space. So I'm
Speaker 2: just saying that sounds kind of funny to me. You
Speaker 2: take Jordan Peele, you take a guy like Koluja, who
Speaker 2: they were so perfectly matched in Get Out, and that's
Speaker 2: a movie that not only brings lots of different elements
Speaker 2: to it, but the comedic merged with horror, merged with
Speaker 2: some action. I feel like they are the right pairing
Speaker 2: for a Green Lantern film.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna move that one to the front of the
Speaker 1: production pipeline. Okay, we'll see if we can beat that
Speaker 1: twenty twenty release to theaters. Love it my number one,
Speaker 1: I think, at least from the responses I saw on
Speaker 1: social media, Greta Gerwig was probably the filmmaker who came
Speaker 1: up the most all sorts of good recommendations from listeners.
Speaker 1: Maybe not a surprise. She's riding so high on Ladybird
Speaker 1: right now. She's just at the front of people's minds.
Speaker 1: I knew I had my Gerwig match early on. This
Speaker 1: is probably the first one I thought of and the
Speaker 1: one I really would be the most excited to see. Okay,
Speaker 1: Gretigerwig's Squirrel Girl. I take it you're unfamiliar with squirrel Girl.
Speaker 2: I am I familiar, but already I'm sold.
Speaker 1: All right. I can't blame you. I hadn't heard of
Speaker 1: squirrel Girl either until I think it was Toronto International
Speaker 1: film festal In twenty fifteen. Someone I was with wanted
Speaker 1: to check out a comic shop, so I went in
Speaker 1: looking for souvenirs for my kids and came across this series.
Speaker 1: So I picked up an issue for my daughter. I'm
Speaker 1: just going to share the Wikipedia description. Squirrel Girl is
Speaker 1: a human superhero with a proportional strength and speed of
Speaker 1: a squirrel, as well as the ability to speak with
Speaker 1: squirrels like her sidekick tippy Toe. She can also command
Speaker 1: an army of squirrels, which she typically uses to overwhelm
Speaker 1: her foes. Now Believe it or not, comics legend Steve
Speaker 1: Ditko I found out was actually involved with the character
Speaker 1: when she first appeared in nineteen ninety one. The one
Speaker 1: I picked up is a more recent one. It's from
Speaker 1: her first solo series, The Unbeatable squirrel Girl, written by
Speaker 1: Ryan North and drawn by Erica Henderson. Here in this run,
Speaker 1: Squirrel Girl leaves the Avengers Mansion to pursue college life,
Speaker 1: moving into a dorm and registering to study computer science.
Speaker 1: So this is pretty much picking up where Ladybird left off,
Speaker 1: only you know, with really weird superpowers. The issues I've
Speaker 1: read are really clever. There's a nice appreciation but also
Speaker 1: a tweaking of the Avengers mythology, and underneath it is
Speaker 1: a true affection for this main character, who I should
Speaker 1: probably note goes by the real name of Dorian Green.
Speaker 1: And basically I could see Doreen Green and Ladybird hanging
Speaker 1: out together on campus, which makes me think I'd really
Speaker 1: like to see Gretegerwiggs squirrel girl who should be Doreen.
Speaker 1: How about you know, at first, of course you think,
Speaker 1: well circa Ronan, but that wouldn't quite be right. How
Speaker 1: about Ladybird's best friend in Leading love It, Beanie Feldstein.
Speaker 1: Beanie Feldstein Girl, Okay, got to happen? Sold that that
Speaker 1: is such an inspired choice. I love Beanie Feldstein.
Speaker 2: Okay. I don't know if I can top that with
Speaker 2: my number one. This is the one, though, Josh, where
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna give you the superhero first, because we
Speaker 2: have a special guest who's going to play along with
Speaker 2: our Shenanigans. Here, the character is the Vision and you
Speaker 2: and other listeners may recall that when we reviewed Captain
Speaker 2: America Age of Ultron maybe it was Civil War, where
Speaker 2: I talked about the Vision. But he's born in Age
Speaker 2: of Ultron. I mentioned during one of those reviews that
Speaker 2: he was a fascinating character, and I kind of felt
Speaker 2: like he got sidelined a little bit. He's a very
Speaker 2: powerful character, and they didn't really deal with him maybe
Speaker 2: as well as I would have liked, especially in some
Speaker 2: of those battle scenes. People wrote in they said, if
Speaker 2: you like the vision, or you want to know more
Speaker 2: about the Vision, you have to read the new version
Speaker 2: of the Vision written by Tom King. I did that
Speaker 2: and thought it was brilliant. It also turns out Tom
Speaker 2: King longtime Film Spotting listener. He's left us a voicemailer
Speaker 2: two over the years. And so I thought, if I'm
Speaker 2: going to project onto the Vision the director that I
Speaker 2: think is best for the material, why not go right
Speaker 2: to the guy who wrote the vision and let's have
Speaker 2: him explain who would bring the proper vision to his material.
Speaker 5: Hello Film Spotting Listener, this is Tom King. I'm the
Speaker 5: writer of Batman for DC Comics and The Vision for
Speaker 5: Marvel Comics, and I've been kindly asked you, in my opinion,
Speaker 5: who could be the director of the Vision movie. My
Speaker 5: first instinct, is a loyal Film Spotting listener, is to
Speaker 5: both go arts to cheat maybe resurrect Igmar Bergmann from
Speaker 5: the grave to do a vision with a lot of
Speaker 5: robots staring at mirrors. But then I thought, no, what
Speaker 5: do I really want to get out of a Vision movie?
Speaker 5: And the answer was obvious, and it's money, lots of money.
Speaker 5: So then my mind went to how how can I
Speaker 5: accomplish that noble goal? And I was thinking, well, I mean,
Speaker 5: James Cameron made the biggest money making movie of all time
Speaker 5: with Avatar, and I can't really speak too much of
Speaker 5: the writing of Vision, but I feel it's a it's
Speaker 5: a better basis than Avatar for a movie. So you know,
Speaker 5: Urmader Aliens are pretty good movies. So yeah, if I
Speaker 5: had to pick one person to make a Vision movie,
Speaker 5: I'm going to James Cameron. And I don't have like
Speaker 5: Atom level kids, but I have enough kids to put
Speaker 5: through college that I think that would work. Thank you
Speaker 5: Film Spotting, and thank you Adam and Josh. Appreciate the
Speaker 5: show and I'll keep listening.
Speaker 2: Well, who does have Adam level kids?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Josh? Okay, thank you so much, Tom King. James Cameron
Speaker 2: a great choice. And here's why. Let me give you
Speaker 2: a little bit of background about the Vision and the
Speaker 2: storyline that Tom King explores in the recent Marvel series.
Speaker 2: This is the little synopsis. The Vision wants to be human,
Speaker 2: and what's more human than family. So he heads back
Speaker 2: to the beginning, to the laboratory where Ultron created him
Speaker 2: and molded him into a weapon, the place where he
Speaker 2: first rebelled against his given destiny and imagined that he
Speaker 2: could be more, that he could be a man. There
Speaker 2: he builds them a wife, Virginia, two teenage twins, Viv
Speaker 2: and Vin. They look like him, they have his powers,
Speaker 2: They share his grandest ambition or is that obsession, the
Speaker 2: unrelenting need to be ordinary? Behold the Visions. So based
Speaker 2: on that, you can see why Cameron, besides just the
Speaker 2: money factor and the fact that he'd probably bring in
Speaker 2: some box office why the guy who did make the
Speaker 2: movies Tom including the Terminator movies and these films about
Speaker 2: these alternate beings, would be a good fit for the Vision.
Speaker 2: But here's my dream scenario for the Vision, And I love, love,
Speaker 2: love Paul Bettany as the Vision. He's an actor I adore,
Speaker 2: so I really don't want to recast him. But if
Speaker 2: I had to recast him, I want to see the
Speaker 2: Cone Brothers, The Vision oh Man starring Leonardo DiCaprio.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: Part of it is just wanting to see Leo work
Speaker 2: with the Cone Brothers. He worked with that, I think
Speaker 2: he could. He has worked with everybody, all the big directors.
Speaker 2: The Cone Brothers are maybe the biggest name on the
Speaker 2: list that he still hasn't collaborated with. And he doesn't
Speaker 2: have maybe the mannered style of acting that Paul Bettany brings,
Speaker 2: the kind of technique we don't think of him that
Speaker 2: way as he plays this synthetic character, this robot character.
Speaker 2: But I think DiCaprio could do it. And I also
Speaker 2: think that he could sort of bring to it that
Speaker 2: bubbling underneath angst where he's always trying to restrain himself
Speaker 2: and play that perfectly composed character, that machine that doesn't
Speaker 2: overreact to scenarios, and yet with DiCaprio, it would just
Speaker 2: be there. It couldn't help, but be there under the surface.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would definitely make it more of a satire.
Speaker 1: I think if the Cohen's got their hands on it,
Speaker 1: and having read this series, that's definitely there, you know,
Speaker 1: there are, Yeah, there are satirical elements. So I see
Speaker 1: how that could go Yes, it's also a very like
Speaker 1: loneliness comes to mind.
Speaker 2: That's a big part of it. Josh and I think
Speaker 2: this series, the vision is about this family in the suburbs,
Speaker 2: and so even though we didn't even see it, we
Speaker 2: know they wrote Suburbicon, but it's not that because I
Speaker 2: didn't see it. What I'm really thinking of more and
Speaker 2: there are other examples, certainly from their filmography that fit
Speaker 2: with the vision. But A Serious Man a movie that
Speaker 2: does take place in the suburbs where everything is supposed
Speaker 2: to be perfect, and yet within each house, certainly the
Speaker 2: house that we look into, the Gopnik house, we see
Speaker 2: all those secrets and all the things that are under
Speaker 2: the surface. And also we see a character where his
Speaker 2: reality and dogma, the ideals, the things he subscribes to,
Speaker 2: or let's say, his programming, when those are challenged and destroyed,
Speaker 2: how do you react in that scenario? And at its core,
Speaker 2: the vision is about what makes us human, what makes
Speaker 2: a man? These big existential questions that I have always
Speaker 2: ascribed to the Coen Brothers' work, even some of their
Speaker 2: most specific genre work. Those questions are being asked throughout
Speaker 2: questions about what our destiny is the notion of fate,
Speaker 2: how in control we are of our actions. I don't
Speaker 2: think anybody explores that material better than the Cones, and
Speaker 2: they also, Josh explore it with humor. You brought in
Speaker 2: the notion of satire. I think that's there in the
Speaker 2: vision amidst all that darkness and bloodshed and those elements
Speaker 2: are in the vision. There's a comic absurdity to just
Speaker 2: existence that they always draw out. So that's my dream project.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was thinking about the vision, this is
Speaker 1: not going to get Tom King any money this version
Speaker 1: of it. Okay, this goes back to the loneliness idea
Speaker 1: after seeing a ghost story. I won't know what David
Speaker 1: Lowry would do with it. Good luck that would zero in,
Speaker 1: maybe on a little bit of a different angle, but
Speaker 1: would definitely capture some of the essence of what's going
Speaker 1: on in King's work.
Speaker 2: Okay, those are our top five superhero director combos we'd
Speaker 2: like to see. We think you have your work cut
Speaker 2: out for you. If you're going to challenge those or
Speaker 2: come up with better ones, you can email us feedback
Speaker 2: at filmspotting dot net. Before we get to any honorable mentions,
Speaker 2: we do have one more listener pick we want to play.
Speaker 3: Hey guys, this is Eric Hill from Frederick tan your Brotherswick, Canada.
Speaker 3: I think maybe my suggestion is David Lynch, as I
Speaker 3: would like to probably suggest David Lynch almost anything, but
Speaker 3: my initial desire would be to see him do something
Speaker 3: with the Hulk. But since there's so many Hulk movies already,
Speaker 3: the next logical step would be a she Hulk movie.
Speaker 3: You no she Hulk in Marvel Comics is the cousin,
Speaker 3: of course of Hulk also irradiated, And I thought Lynch,
Speaker 3: with his way of dealing with externalized depictions of multiple
Speaker 3: personalities and women in trouble, would be a natural thing.
Speaker 3: But to put a Lynch spin on it, perhaps he
Speaker 3: could ditch the whole CGI angle and just cast two
Speaker 3: different actresses to play the same part. Perhaps maybe Naomi
Speaker 3: Watts playing Jennifer Walters the lawyer part of the duo,
Speaker 3: and Uma Thurman playing sort of an angrier lawyer part
Speaker 3: of the duo. And I don't know beyond that, what
Speaker 3: would they fight, what would they battle? Some sort of
Speaker 3: microwave planet. I don't know, So long as maybe the
Speaker 3: villain at the end was a mutated version of Bobby
Speaker 3: Peru from Wild at Heart. Anyway, it's a loose idea
Speaker 3: for now, but you kind of get where it's going.
Speaker 3: Thanks a lot and have a great show.
Speaker 2: Well, if he didn't have me at David Lynch, and
Speaker 2: he did, he certainly had me when he added Naomi
Speaker 2: Watson Uma Thurman, and then it was really sold. Bobby Perue,
Speaker 2: I thought you had you at she Hulk.
Speaker 1: I beg you for a big.
Speaker 2: She Hulk guy. No nostalage.
Speaker 1: Your credibility ends there.
Speaker 6: Indeed.
Speaker 1: All right, so my honorable mentions, I'm just gonna list
Speaker 1: a few others from listeners because, as I said, Gretg
Speaker 1: Gerwig was so popular. Here are four Gerwig options I
Speaker 1: heard from Taylor s Cole, Kitty Pride from Aaron Schaeffer,
Speaker 1: Dazzler from Dave Enna Batman, and then at film Guy
Speaker 1: six one nine went with Batgirl.
Speaker 2: You made that up Film Guy six one nine.
Speaker 1: No, you'll find him there on Twitter.
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of Twitter, we do have to give some
Speaker 2: credit here, I think to Robert Lewis, the Reverend Robert Lewis,
Speaker 2: who wrote in going back to the very start of
Speaker 2: this segment with Wes Anderson directing a reboot of the
Speaker 2: original X Men in their original yellow and blue uniforms.
Speaker 2: He would do a great job with properly weaving their
Speaker 2: intricate stories together, his focusing on characters, his use of
Speaker 2: detailed sets, and exploration of emotions. So I'm guessing I'm
Speaker 2: going to give Robert the credit that he has not
Speaker 2: seen that YouTube video and instead was just going off
Speaker 2: of what you would like to see you but write
Speaker 2: in line with that YouTube video. Certainly, I was so
Speaker 2: worn out I expended all my creative juices Josh on
Speaker 2: those top five, and I love my top five. So
Speaker 2: I don't have any more pitches to give you. I
Speaker 2: do have just a few names. I jotted down two
Speaker 2: of them. You mentioned de Reese and Greta Gerwig. What
Speaker 2: about Barry Jenkins, Sean Baker, Jeremy sonje Spike Lee doing
Speaker 2: a superhero movie? And then a lot of people wrote
Speaker 2: in and said, well, you know, Edgar Wright could just
Speaker 2: make ant Man, Yes, and that would be great.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of ant Man angst relives.
Speaker 2: So those are some directors I'd like to see a
Speaker 2: couple other superheroes. Batgirl. We haven't gotten the Batgirl movie yet,
Speaker 2: so a take on that could be intriguing. One of
Speaker 2: our favorite villains came up on a recent top five
Speaker 2: superhero costumes. We did we really are the show about
Speaker 2: superhero pretty much? Maybe maybe we really do have geek cred.
Speaker 2: What am I talking about? Rorshak? Let's give Roschak his
Speaker 2: own movie, right and find a director who knows how
Speaker 2: to make those kind of great, pulpy noir stories. And
Speaker 2: then we need someone to do justice to Daredevil because
Speaker 2: the ben Affleck Daredevil. I know the there's a series.
Speaker 2: I think it was a Netflix series. I have not
Speaker 2: watched that series. I'm just saying for the big screen,
Speaker 2: we need to redeem the ben Affleck Daredevil. I don't
Speaker 2: know who the best director is for that. Maybe one
Speaker 2: of the names I mentioned, maybe a Jeremy Sonier would
Speaker 2: be great for Daredevil.
Speaker 1: This is going to shock you also mildly positive. I'm
Speaker 1: the ben Affleck Daredevil. Did do I get any credit
Speaker 1: for that?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Or did I know? Actually?
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you're your whole list has been stricken from
Speaker 2: the record.
Speaker 6: He can hear it before it makes a sound, he
Speaker 6: can sense it before it happens.
Speaker 2: So those are the superhero director combos that we'd like
Speaker 2: to see. We'd love to hear. We know it's an
Speaker 2: old top five, but we'd love to hear whether or
Speaker 2: not you'd like to see those combos, or if you
Speaker 2: have better producer vision than we do, you can let
Speaker 2: us know.
Speaker 1: It's been eight years and another years have been greenlit.
Speaker 2: I don't not that, not that we're aware, unless someone
Speaker 2: maybe it's in development, Maybe someone took our ideas.
Speaker 1: Let's say that, Yeah, yeah, they're all in development.
Speaker 2: Yes, in our minds they're all in development. Thanks for listening, everyone.
Speaker 3: This conversation can serve no purpose anymore.
Speaker 2: The fine