1 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to No Dunks. I'm tasked here along with me 2 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: or Trey Lee and of course the man making that 3 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: magic happen. It's JD and with us a special guest. 4 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: He's host of MSNBC is All In with Chris Hayes. 5 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: He's hosted the Why Is This Happening? Podcast? And I'm 6 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: going to go out on a limb and say he 7 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: is disgusted by the notion that doctor Fauci could beat 8 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: him in a game of one on line. Come on, 9 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: yeah right, MSNBC's Chris. Chris, thanks for joining us. 10 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: How's it going, gentlemen. 11 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: It's going great. Yeah. I I threw that in off 12 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: the top because because well there you're going. Yeah, well, 13 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: I know you're go ahead, explained it. 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: He's he's five six and eighty years old and giving 15 00:00:59,160 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: up eighty five. 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 3: I was like, were they just someone's like, they're talking 17 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 3: about you and Fauci on No DUNGK. 18 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: So I was like, well, were they joking? I don't 19 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 2: know if they're joking serious, I'm like. 20 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 3: I would physically injure him, Like I'm not like a 21 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 3: great basketball player, I'm a perfectly fine, like forty two 22 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 3: year old one time high school varsity basketball player. 23 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 2: But I think I think I can take it. 24 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 4: I read in a GQ interview, though, Chris, you said 25 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 4: you just play defense, so you know this is not 26 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 4: going to be a high scoring affair. 27 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, when the scouting report says captain of a high 28 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 5: school team in nineteen fifty eight, you gotta go with 29 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 5: the guy who's a little bit younger on the stage spectrum. 30 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 5: Do you think this is something that could happen in 31 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 5: the future here though, I think I'm a little busy. 32 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 3: I think we're trying to I think we're gonna try 33 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 3: to set something up. I mean, honestly, my first thought. 34 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: I actually got a hilarious text with the first time 35 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 3: that it was it was floated on the show. I 36 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: got a hilarious text from someone at my network who 37 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 3: was like, you can't play basketball, and entry like, He's like, 38 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 3: it's like that he's like a national like resource that 39 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 3: you can't. And I had the thought, I don't know 40 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 3: if you guys remember this, but I know Obama used 41 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: to play pick up in when he was in the 42 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 3: White House, mostly in the first term, and there was 43 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 3: a young there was a young congressional there's a young 44 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: staffer was like he used to like play with like 45 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 3: real he would like assemble like good ballplayers. Right, So 46 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 3: these were like, you know, kind of former D one 47 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 3: college players, and there was some poor schmuck, some twenty 48 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 3: two year old college you know, fresh out of college 49 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 3: staff or I think for the Hispanic Congressional Caucus who 50 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: like swung through with the president guarding him and just 51 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 3: like nailed him on the jaw. And by the way, 52 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 3: I think the pickup game basically ended soon after. But 53 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 3: I was just like, so, I think we're gonna try 54 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 3: to set up something. Maybe we'll play horse or something. 55 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 3: I think got this sort of low contact under is probably. 56 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: The way to do it, right. I was just surprised 57 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: with the verbiage that doctor Fauci used. He said he 58 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: would destroy you win, not it'll be a good fun. 59 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: The thing is he was a good He was a 60 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 3: good player on you know, and that that team we 61 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 3: used to play them, actually when it's funny because we 62 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 3: played Regius Regis. I grew up in New York City 63 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 3: and I went to a school called Hunter Hunter High 64 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 3: School that was like a magnet. 65 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: School and it had a decent basketball program. 66 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 3: Actually got much better after I left because what happened 67 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 3: in New York City is that I don't know if 68 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 3: you know this, but the Gates Foundation. But there was 69 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: like a few studies that said smaller high schools are better, 70 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 3: and so the Gates Foundation came in and just like 71 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: broke up every high school in New York City. And 72 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 3: so all of a sudden, my small high school was 73 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 3: like competing against a lot of other small. 74 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: High school because we would go up against these. 75 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 3: High schools o were four or five times as big 76 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 3: as hours. So then when they all became small, our 77 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: school got better. But back in the day when we 78 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 3: were playing Regis, which is also a kind of magnet 79 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: school for Catholic boys, they were they were they had 80 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 3: a good team, they were like good basketball players. And 81 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 3: he was the point guard captain of that team when 82 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 3: they were pretty good. So that guy could play for sure, 83 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 3: I'm sure. 84 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, captain of the fifty eight Regions high school basketball 85 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: team at five seven, as you said, yeah, just just 86 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: to lay down the stats, you're half his age, essentially 87 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: much taller. But is there a way, I mean, he 88 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: runs every day, Is there a way. 89 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: No, there's literally no way. I mean I just would 90 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: I would be I think like, obviously I would. 91 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 3: Just be so paranoid about injuring the man, So maybe 92 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 3: you know, for a force field around him. 93 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 4: He said, you know, you said your game has been 94 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 4: compared to a Billy Owens vibe. That's a that's a 95 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 4: deep pool for anyone who's not a fan of the 96 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 4: nine is. Of course, Billy Owens is a big, hyped 97 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 4: up sort of point forward out of Syracuse. Didn't quite 98 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 4: live up to his expectations. Do you have a more 99 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 4: mud of me too? Do you have a more modern 100 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 4: day comparison to who you're No? 101 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 3: I think I think I think it was Tommy Craggs 102 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: of Dead's beIN who called the guy used to play 103 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: pick up ball with them. There's there's a there's a 104 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 3: pickup game that I've been in for well, I've been 105 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 3: in a bunch of pickup games. Best pickup game I've 106 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 3: ever been in. 107 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: My life actually was in DC. 108 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 3: There's this incredible pickup game in DC that's run out 109 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 3: of Gonzaga High School, which is Jesuit school there. It's 110 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: got a very good basketball program, great gym a few 111 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 3: blocks from the Capitol. There's a guy who's been running 112 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: this game for twenty or thirty years. It's the best 113 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: pickup game I've ever been to in my life. It's 114 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: got all these like you know, it's got all these 115 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 3: like rules, you know that, but everyone knows them, so 116 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: like there's none of that, Like you know, you get 117 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 3: there and it's like, wait, who's going It's like you 118 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 3: get there and everyone counts off, so you know what 119 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 3: number you are and who's playing when, and like everything. 120 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: Just runs right away. Everyone's very busy. 121 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 3: But I played in that game, and then I've played 122 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 3: in a pickup game here with a bunch of people, 123 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 3: a lot of folks who work in like New York media, 124 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 3: and we're all we're all now. I think we're going 125 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 3: to get back. I think we just got we just 126 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 3: the clearance has now gone out. Although someone wrote an article. 127 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: Did you see this one about like the risk of 128 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: the first time back on the court. 129 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, like the post layoff, Like yeah, just like a 130 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 3: bunch of forty year olds, like taking the cord. 131 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: After fifteen months off. 132 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 3: It's just like an absolute recipe for mass mass massenger. 133 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, there's gonna be a lot of reconstructive surgeries 134 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 5: on knees coming up here, and not too long unfortunately, 135 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 5: because I mean after not playing for fifteen months, that's 136 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 5: a long layoff and then guaranteed you're going harder than 137 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 5: ever once you actually get to get back out there. 138 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 5: Have you played it all yet, Chris. 139 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: I haven't known. I'm very excited to. 140 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 3: But like I think you know, the risk reward calculation 141 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 3: to pick up basketball really starts to get dicey at 142 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 3: this age. 143 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: It really does. 144 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 3: Like it's like, can you imagine what an absolute pain 145 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 3: in the ass it would be? 146 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: The tear in acl right now? And for what? For what? Like, 147 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: I mean. 148 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 3: Months and months of your life, like be like limping 149 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 3: around being in crutches, reconstructive surgery, physical therapy to what 150 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 3: to play, to throw up a few ricks and like maybe. 151 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: Get a steel here and there, like maybe have one 152 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: good bounce pass once a week in your forties, Like 153 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: what why are you doing that? 154 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, you might get to be the guy in that 155 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 5: Adam Sandler clip where he gets doubled in the corner, 156 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 5: kicks it to the top and just the most famous 157 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 5: shot he's ever takes, bricks it off the glass, doesn't 158 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 5: even hit the rim. That's what it's gonna be. 159 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 3: I love I love good Adam Sandler pick up basketball highlights. 160 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: I love. 161 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, he wants those cutters. He's telling me to move, 162 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 5: all right, Chris, I saw not too long ago you 163 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 5: were wondering if you would get a hit if you 164 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 5: played an entire MLB season. Fangrafts actually said not just 165 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 5: wasn't that fun? One point eight hits? How about if 166 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 5: you played in the NBA for a full season, would 167 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:58,679 Speaker 5: you score a basket? 168 00:07:59,520 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: Oh? 169 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: That's fascinating. 170 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's a little different, right, because like 171 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 3: an uncontested layup in an NBA game on a runout 172 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 3: is an uncontested layup in a in a quarter when 173 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: we're ten years old, right, Whereas a single off of 174 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 3: ninety five as ball is just a completely different thing 175 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 3: than like a forty five mile per hour you know, 176 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: little league pitch. So I mean I think, yeah, like 177 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 3: if you could, you could get a runout here or there. 178 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 3: But you know, I don't know if you guys have 179 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 3: ever played, you know, been on courts with like professional 180 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 3: basketball players. But like, I mean, the two big things 181 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 3: that are amazing about it that the few times that 182 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 3: I have been in whatever situation is there's obviously the 183 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 3: size thing, which you can't really even communicate. Like we've 184 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 3: all seen We've seen like the Dwayne you know, the 185 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 3: Dwayne Johnson The Rock with Charles Barkley, pick you know, 186 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,599 Speaker 3: like and like him with Kevin Hart, and then h 187 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 3: with Charles Harten Barkley and and Shack and he looks 188 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 3: like Kevin Hart. 189 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: But there's also just like the crazy thing. 190 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 3: And I think about this all the time because I 191 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 3: think it relates a little to the fangrass question of 192 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 3: like what is training and what's talent? And you know, 193 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 3: I think about this in terms of shooting. So it's 194 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 3: like if I took the year off, the next year 195 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 3: off of my life, and I just said, I'm going 196 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 3: to just be as good a jump shooter as I 197 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 3: can be, and I'm going to hire whatever shooting coach, 198 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 3: and I'm just going to spend eight hours a day 199 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 3: in the gym shooting. 200 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: Like how good a shooter could you be? 201 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: Right? 202 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 3: How much of that is just these are people that 203 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 3: are professionally trained to do this and do it all 204 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 3: the time in a way that like no amateur ever does. 205 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: And how much of it is just talent? 206 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: Because the thing that's so crazy about being around really 207 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 3: good basketball players, is they just never miss a shot. 208 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: They never miss a shot. 209 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 3: Like the only reason the NBA player ever misses a 210 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 3: shot is because of the level of defense. Because you know, 211 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: we've all seen the videos of Steph in the corner, 212 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 3: three in the in the in the gym at the 213 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 3: end of practice, hitting fifty in a row or whatever like, 214 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: and that that part of it is just such a 215 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 3: fascinating question to me, a little along the lines of 216 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 3: that Fangraft question, which is how much of that is 217 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 3: just dedication technique, you know, the professionalization of doing something, 218 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: and how much of it is raw talent? And I 219 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,479 Speaker 3: think you know, there's like Julius Randall, there's a fascinating 220 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 3: question right now. 221 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 2: Right like how did that happen? How did it happen? 222 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 3: How do you go from what was he shooting twenty 223 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 3: eight twenty nine percent? From three to thirty nine to 224 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 3: forty percent, you know, in basically a year. 225 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: And it's like, could other players do that? 226 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 3: Having hard to can can Kobe White get in on 227 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 3: whatever Julius Randall's. 228 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 2: Doing, Although he's he shot thirty eight percent, he's fine, 229 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 2: but could be better. 230 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 5: But yeah, I would have like to say at the 231 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 5: first half of the season. 232 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: Kobe. 233 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, Kobe White is a little although someone ran his 234 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 3: stat line with LaMelo Ball and they're like bizarrely similar, 235 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 3: So I got to lay off Kobe White. But just 236 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 3: the question of how much of that, how much of 237 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 3: what you see from professional athletes is this? You know, 238 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 3: obviously there's this insane amount of talent, and there's a 239 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 3: selection for size and. 240 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 2: Speed and these like athletic qualities that no mere mortal has. 241 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 3: But then a lot of it is just like these 242 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: are people that iteratively train, doing the same task over 243 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 3: and over in a way that no no one else 244 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 3: could ever do right, just in terms of your time. 245 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 3: And I always wonder, like how much, how much of it? 246 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 3: Which part of that equation? 247 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: Right? But that's also why they say hitting of baseball 248 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 1: is the hardest thing to totally sports. It's you talk 249 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: about the speed and the size on a basketball floor 250 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: you cannot replicate, Okay, but there's one. 251 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 2: Speed there's a harder thing. 252 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 3: Because I thought about this too, so so it was 253 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 3: interesting to me. There was like a fangrass said, you 254 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 3: probably get a hit, and there's a few major league 255 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 3: pittures form major league pitchers. You chimed in and be like, yeah, 256 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 3: you'd run into one, right, Okay, you put a bat 257 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 3: on a ball, and I think in an NBA season, 258 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 3: like yeah, you'd get you'd get you. You know if 259 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 3: let's say you're you're on the Denver Nuggets and like 260 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: you just like you know, you cheat and you leak 261 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 3: out and Jokic throws a baseball pass seventy eight feet 262 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 3: and hits you and stride and you hit it lay up. 263 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 3: Here's the thing that you absolutely would never be able 264 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 3: to do. I think, would you be able to complete 265 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 3: a single pass? Isn't an NFL quarterback? The answers, there's 266 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 3: no ricking a way you would. I mean, now one 267 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 3: level you want to be like, okay, well you could 268 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 3: you could you know, dump it off the running back. 269 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 2: You should be able to do that or even just 270 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 2: fine shovel pass. But like, could you could you drop 271 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: back and complete a pass in a whole season? Like 272 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: I don't think so. 273 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. 274 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 5: Seeing like defensive linemen come out just terrifying, just terrifying, 275 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 5: trying to keep your head. 276 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: No way, yeah they drop back. Part of that is 277 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: the most important part. No way I could see a 278 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: play action even. 279 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 3: Handling the snap with like a six to seven three 280 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 3: dude like looking at you. 281 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: Well, you know, you talked about shooting, and you set 282 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: off another sort of controversy or threat of comments on 283 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: Twitter when you said February fourteenth of this year, you 284 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 1: commented on Twitter is on Dame. 285 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: Is this gonna be about Dame verse Steph? 286 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you said. 287 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 2: Trolling stuff is better. 288 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: You said it's Lillard better than Steph. You're watching a 289 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: Blazers game. I'm pretty sure I checked the date. I 290 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: think he was having a good one against Luca. Steph 291 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: not in uniform on that night. But maybe you sprung 292 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: the season that Steph Curry had because Steph wasn't Steph 293 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: until you know, the last few months. 294 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 3: Until he read that tweet. I think, I mean, that's 295 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 3: my understanding. He just needs a little motivation, totally. 296 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: Right there is Uh, has Steph surprised you this season? 297 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: I mean he's he's because I think he surprised a 298 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: lot of people these last few months since you made 299 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: that tweet. 300 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 3: It is it is a little like I mean, I 301 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 3: was going through his stats the other day, and I mean, 302 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 3: first of all, it's just a you know, it's just 303 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 3: an obvious point about being healthier not healthy, like fully 304 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 3: healthy versus not healthy. You realize how much you also 305 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 3: realize how much you know professional athletes, basketball players, baseball 306 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 3: playing for balls, they're playing with nagging injuries all the time, 307 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 3: and like it does really make a difference. I mean, 308 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 3: seeing this this year, Actually I'm a Cubs fan in baseball, 309 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 3: Chris Bryant is like, oh wow, well there's the MVP, 310 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 3: and it's like, right, he's been injured last few years. 311 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 3: He hasn't been you know, he hasn't been himself, so 312 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 3: there's probably that. But also when you look at I mean, 313 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 3: how old is stuff now? He's what thirty thirty thirty. 314 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: Two points per game at thirty three years. 315 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: Agay, I mean it's pretty it's pretty wild what he's 316 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 2: done this year. It really is oldest player to do it. 317 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 3: And like there is a yeah, there is definitely feels 318 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 3: like I kind of fount in a youth thing that 319 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 3: that happened with him. And also obviously he's got to 320 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 3: carry the load in a way that you know, when 321 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 3: it was him and Clay he didn't have to, So 322 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 3: that's part of it as well. And I also think 323 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 3: I mean, Dame has been great this year. That that 324 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 3: team is so strange. You know, it's like one of 325 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 3: those teams that's going to just it's like it's not 326 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 3: quite Sacramento Kings level because they never got that. They 327 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 3: were never as good as as a King's team that 328 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 3: never quite made it. But you know, that team is 329 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 3: like every time you watch him, if you're like me 330 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 3: and you're like a psychotic League pass addict and you're 331 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 3: watching you know, I mean the games that I will 332 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 3: watch ten o'clock. 333 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, really, you're watching Blazers. 334 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: Sacramento, Sacramento, Cleveland. Are what are we doing? 335 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 3: But yeah, like I think that team is so interesting 336 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 3: just because he's so he's so spectacularly talented. He's so 337 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 3: fun to watch, and that team is fun to watch 338 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: and just never gonna be good enough to really penetrate, 339 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 3: you know, And that there's these teams that just get built. 340 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 3: They don't seem like teams you should blow up. You know, 341 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 3: they're not like disappointing. 342 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: Or bad in any way. 343 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 3: They're just not good enough to get into that top tier. 344 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 3: And I feel like the league is getting very stratified 345 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 3: in that way too. Post you know, post the sort 346 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 3: of Lebron Super Team era, where there's gonna be four 347 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 3: or five teams that have a shot because they have 348 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: the talent they've got, you know, three four All Stars, 349 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 3: they've got two All NBA players on them, and everyone 350 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 3: else can build like perfectly good teams and just not 351 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 3: even be really a threat. 352 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally hear what you're saying. Where we're at 353 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: this point here, we're getting to the play in tournament 354 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: where it seems like, you know, other than this special 355 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: special Lebron situation, it doesn't seem like any of those 356 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: teams have any sort of shot at making the finals. 357 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: But maybe you're the wrong person to ask this because 358 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: you're gonna be watching league past no matter what. But 359 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: it has the play in tournament increased your level of 360 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: interest in the game. 361 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think it's good. I mean, I 362 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 3: think innovating with stuff is good. 363 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 2: I think I don't know. I'm definitely I am in 364 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: the I am in the. 365 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 3: Family of people that think the league is in a 366 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 3: great place and it's been just a freaking delight to 367 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 3: watch for the last seven or eight years. And you know, 368 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 3: I think Kevin Garnett said that contrary to like all 369 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 3: the I think it's weird that like every network just 370 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 3: employs like old players who like hate the. 371 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 2: Way the game is played. Now there's sort of a bummer. 372 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, okg's against there's a handful of former 373 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: players like KG or Wade or Kandas Parker. Now you 374 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: say who or who celebrate the game. Yeah, but I'm 375 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: with you, there many that aren't. 376 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 3: I mean, I think the play in, I think it's 377 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 3: a pretty good I mean, the league got lucky. They're 378 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 3: going to have Lebron and Steph in that one play in, 379 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 3: and yeah, I. 380 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: Think it's cool. It's cool. 381 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 3: I mean I also think from a labor standpoint and 382 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 3: labor piece, like moving that down to from eighty two 383 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 3: to what are they at seventy teen hours? Yeah, it 384 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 3: was probably smart, Like I don't know if we need 385 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 3: those extra ten games, And I think that was the 386 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 3: way to get the union to bite on it. 387 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: They'll be back next year though, Yeah, that's the unfortunate 388 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: part that this was. This was a necessity of the 389 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: circumstances and then yeah, be back. 390 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 2: Well, we'll see, We'll see how it goes. 391 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I think I think we could probably 392 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 3: we could probably lose some regular season games, although that's revenue, 393 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,239 Speaker 3: and I understand why, you know why the owners are 394 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 3: sort of loathed to give that up. 395 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: Speaking of that, you love the first round of the playoffs. 396 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: You love sixteen teams in there. I love that you 397 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: tweet that that's your favorite round, the first round of 398 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: the play That's me. 399 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 3: I mean everyone I love, like I love March Madness. 400 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 3: But I'm not a college basketball fanatic. I mean I 401 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 3: I just partly because you know, I didn't go to 402 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 3: school that had some team. I think that that's a 403 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 3: big part of people, particularly in college, that get connected 404 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 3: to their team and then they go through this their life. 405 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 3: But for me, that first round of the NBA Playoffs 406 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 3: is just so delightful. You know, every night there's like 407 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 3: multiple games and and there's. 408 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: So many you know, I mean this this. 409 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 3: Is like really like a league pass, you know, junkies confession. 410 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 3: But like you know, almost every team has a few 411 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 3: players that you want to watch. I mean, I'm talking 412 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 3: to you, like garbage teams, Like it's like, you know, 413 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 3: the Oklahoma City Thunder with their like seven three point 414 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 3: guards and like you know, and I mean I will 415 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 3: watch every Grizzlies game just to watch Ja Morant like 416 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 3: just if it's on, I will definitely And so I 417 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 3: don't know. 418 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 2: I I love professional basketball. I love the NBA. I 419 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 2: love like I love where the game's at. 420 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 3: I think I wonder I sometimes wonder if baseball, you know, 421 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 3: because obviously the NBA of our of our us, I 422 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 3: think we're all around the same age of those like 423 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 3: you know, eighty one eighty four, you know, Knicks, bulls, 424 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 3: minded out games, huge amounts of hand checking, incredibly physical, 425 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 3: very hard to get shots off, sort of low point 426 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 3: of points per minute in the modern NBA history, and 427 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 3: then you know rule changes that were very effective to 428 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,959 Speaker 3: increase the scoring. And I wonder if there's something like 429 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 3: that for baseball, because like I think, it's like a 430 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 3: historic low this year in baseball and balls put in 431 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 3: cotton to play. It's like and sometimes you're watching a 432 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 3: major league game of both my kids, both my older 433 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 3: kids are in little league this year, ones in like 434 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 3: coach pitch and ones in softball where kids pitch, and 435 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 3: it's like sometimes watching a major league game starts to 436 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 3: feel like watching a little league game, Like no one's 437 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 3: putting the ball in play, you know, and you're like 438 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 3: all right, this is not that fun. Yeah, athletes are 439 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 3: just so good today. 440 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 5: So in the NBA, that's all right, because it means 441 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 5: we get games that are one hundred and fifty to 442 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 5: one hundred and forty eight. But in baseball it means 443 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 5: the pitchers are so good that you I don't know. 444 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 5: I saw a podcast recently that was like, are there 445 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 5: too any no hitters? Used to be the craziest exciting thing, right, 446 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 5: A no hitter? That's crazy. 447 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 3: If you have the MLB app on your phone, it 448 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 3: feels like twice a week you get a you get 449 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 3: a pushing in a vacation like someone's taking a. 450 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: How do they do? That's the tough part. I mean, 451 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: the notion is setting the mound back a foot or 452 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: two because you just do that. 453 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 2: That's so insane. 454 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: I mean it's not it's not though. The pitching is 455 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: just so fast. 456 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 3: No, it's so fast, but it just seems crazy to 457 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 3: do that to the pictures, Like I feel like you 458 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 3: would have to start at a younger You would have 459 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 3: to start phasing it in, Like you can't just go 460 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 3: to someone who spent their entire life like training on 461 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 3: this one thing and then be like we're stepping it back, 462 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 3: Like I think you would have to. 463 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 2: Just start implementing it in the minors, honestly, Okay. 464 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 3: And and then and then just sort of graduated up 465 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:47,719 Speaker 3: because I think it would just be nuts to just 466 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 3: I feel like you have injuries or But so here's 467 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 3: my question for you guys. 468 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 2: What do you what is your who do you. 469 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 3: Like in the West, and what do you think of 470 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 3: the the is the Jazz Are the Jazz for real? 471 00:20:58,920 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: To me? 472 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 3: Is like the big question is like is this one 473 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 3: of those teams that you know it's a little like 474 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 3: I remember that Hawks team that was really good that 475 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 3: oh yeah, well that team was like you always knew 476 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 3: you were, Like, Okay, you guys are racking up a 477 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 3: lot of regular season wins, but seven game playoffs. I 478 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 3: don't really believe in this team, you know. And partly 479 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 3: that's just like you could create a team that's a 480 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 3: sort of ensemble with like collective talent that could run 481 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 3: the table a lot, but it really does come down 482 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: to like who has the best players in playoffs? And 483 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 3: I just wonder about this Jazz team, you know, whether 484 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 3: you guys are believers. 485 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: That's fair. 486 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 5: It's a good question, because they get compared to that 487 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 5: Hawks team, which obviously lost to Lebron in the playoffs, 488 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 5: And for me maybe the same for you, Chris. They 489 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 5: remind me a little bit of the good Bulls teams 490 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 5: from earlier than the twenty tens, where the offense or 491 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 5: where the defense is going to be there, the defense 492 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 5: is going to show up, you know that. But do 493 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 5: they have another gear offensively? 494 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. 495 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 5: They shot threes really well this year, and that's kind 496 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 5: of always going to be a question mark. When you're 497 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 5: a three point shooting team, You're obviously gonna win games 498 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 5: when you're on fire and probably lose when you miss 499 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 5: a lot. And there's of course the chance that the 500 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 5: Jazz could run into Lebron as well. I'm trying to 501 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 5: give them the benefit of the doubt because they've been 502 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 5: the best team for the entire season, but the questions 503 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 5: certainly linger. 504 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you say, who has the best players? Are 505 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: the Lakers? The Lakers right now? Do they have their 506 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: best players? Like? Is Lebron Lebron? And is a D 507 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: a D? I mean that's a fair question. So that's 508 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: where I think the Jazz can slip through and the Clippers, 509 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: you know, maybe the second most talented bunch. I guess. 510 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: I mean they have holes too. It's if there's a year. 511 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: And maybe this is just you know, pre pray off 512 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: me talking, but it feels like they're there's a path. 513 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 3: I agree, I agree there's a path, but I think 514 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 3: only only because of where you know, Lebron and a 515 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 3: d you're at in terms of and that and that team. 516 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: I also, I mean, I don't know. 517 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 3: I I think without you know, I think without Tamal Murray, 518 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 3: the Nuggets, it's it's not gonna happen. But they have 519 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 3: played just unbelievably impressive basketball since he went down, and 520 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 3: Michael Porter Junior has been really really good. 521 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: And a reminder. I mean, what was he He was like 522 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: a seven pick or something, right, I mean, he's. 523 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: Like a lot of deep I think a back injury. 524 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: Oh that's right, that's right. 525 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: He was. 526 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 2: That's what That's what he was. 527 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 3: He was going to be a like top seventy eight 528 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 3: pick before that back injury. And he I mean, and also, 529 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 3: I just like I cannot get enough Jokic. 530 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 2: I just I can't. I can't get enough of it. 531 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 2: It's like watching them. 532 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 5: The Murray thing is too bad because with the way 533 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 5: relate this season, It's like you could easily see like 534 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 5: Dirk Noovisky twenty eleven run for the Nuggets not having 535 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 5: that perimeter. Guy, that's a bummer. 536 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it can't happen. 537 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 4: But the but the big story is you know where 538 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 4: you were living because you're from Chicago, but you live 539 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 4: in New York. 540 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 3: No, I'm actually so, I'm from New York and I'm 541 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 3: I'm I've lived in here my whole life. I'm weirdly 542 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 3: a Chicago sports fan because my father so just one 543 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 3: of these weird things where you you know, inherit, your 544 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 3: dad's smart. 545 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 2: Smart guy. 546 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 4: So what's it like though with the Nicks. 547 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 2: I mean they've been Oh, it's awesome. I love it. 548 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 2: I love it. People. You you hear like when I 549 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 2: like walk into the. 550 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 3: Office, it's like the security talking about it. 551 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 2: It's it's awesome. 552 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 3: There's nothing, you know, it's been so long, so long. 553 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 3: The team has been such garbage for so long. And 554 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 3: they're also really you know, they remind me a bit 555 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 3: of that, you know, because they got TIBs. They remind 556 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 3: me that those Bulls teams a little bit, just in 557 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 3: terms of the sheer level of defensive intensity, and they're 558 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 3: a fun team to roof for. Like they you know, 559 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 3: they're they're they're fun. They they work really hard. You know, 560 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 3: Randall's blooming is really is really enjoyable. 561 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 2: And they're great. I mean, and and de Rose is 562 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 2: sort of second. 563 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 3: I mean, I've got very complicated, very complicated feelings de 564 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 3: Rose the man. But but but as a sort of 565 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 3: basketball career second act, it's it's been fun to watch 566 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 3: him as well. 567 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 2: And so it's, uh, it's it's great. 568 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 3: And I you know, and I have to say, like 569 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 3: my dad and brother are big Nets fans, and they've 570 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 3: been Nets fans for fifteen or twenty years, mostly because 571 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 3: back when the Knicks were really good, like you just 572 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 3: couldn't you couldn't get a ticket to right the Garden. 573 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 3: And so my dad started doing this thing where we 574 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 3: go to he'd take us in NETS games, whether they 575 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 3: were in Jersey, and every year would like put together 576 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 3: like a game where like a bunch of people forty 577 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 3: or fifty tickets, people would all get together and we'd 578 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 3: all go and and kept up that, you know, kept 579 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 3: that up through the years and and uh, and so 580 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 3: they're they're very die hard Nets fans and They're they're 581 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 3: pretty psyched about this as well. And I have to say, 582 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 3: like they're also sort of surprisingly a delight to watch. 583 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 2: Not surprisingly because. 584 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 3: Obviously I have a insame amount of talent, but you know, 585 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 3: they just every different iteration of who they've had on 586 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 3: the court, they've been pretty fun. 587 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: That Blake Griffin passed the other day, I mean that 588 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: was wild. Yeah, you know, they got enough pizzazz, but 589 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: they also have enough i think focused not to be 590 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,719 Speaker 1: a holes on the court and just play one on 591 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: one ball like they are all on the same page. 592 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying Like that, I mean, Harden's run 593 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 3: there when it was just when it was just him 594 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 3: on that team and he was just you know, posting 595 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 3: fifteen assists to night was incredible and it was so 596 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 3: night and day from what he was doing in Easton, 597 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 3: but it was it was really fun to watch, and 598 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 3: I yeah, so I'm excited about that. I'm excited about 599 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 3: the East for that reason. I Mean, there's not much 600 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 3: that compelling in the East I think other than that. Honestly, 601 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 3: like I just don't don't really see anyone else. 602 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, is the Joel Embi put this team on my 603 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: back thing at gonna happen, I think is the other 604 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: story and ken Yanni's breakout as well. Yeah, you know, 605 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: we're in the podcast business, Chris. We're always looking for 606 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: good storylines. But I understand what you're saying. 607 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 2: No, you're right about the Sixers. Though you're right. I 608 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 2: mean that to me is the more interesting one. I 609 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 2: just I don't for some reason, I'm just not really 610 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,719 Speaker 2: a believer in that in that Bucks team. But but 611 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 2: it's hard to be. 612 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 3: But the Sixers, the Sixers, I think there is something 613 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 3: there and I've watched them, you know, I watched a 614 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 3: bunch of games this year, and they like when they 615 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 3: when the chips are down, they can really they can 616 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 3: really bring it. They've got a lot of places to 617 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 3: put the ball and and and some some you know, 618 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 3: some different parts that Curry having, having Seth Curry on 619 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 3: that team, I think. 620 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: Has been a really good fit. So we'll see. 621 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 3: But I would love like, uh Nets Nets Nicks, you know, 622 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 3: Nets Knicks playoff series would really be great, great for 623 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 3: the city. I think they probably just like let everyone 624 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 3: back in the building. 625 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 4: Will you be going down to the Garden for this 626 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 4: first round against the Hawks? 627 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: At least? 628 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 4: Uh? You know might be a gangle two. 629 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 3: I would like to, but the problem is my my 630 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 3: schedule is so bad for for basketball. 631 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: Game attendance, partly why I'm like, watch a lot of 632 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 2: West Coast. 633 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 3: A lot of the West Coast League pass. So yeah, 634 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 3: I'm uh, I'm I'm probably not gonna be able to 635 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 3: catch any I would love to, though I loved I'd 636 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 3: love to see Nets first round two, but we'll see 637 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 3: if if there's a weekend game. 638 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be a Sunday game. I think at least 639 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 4: one of those you can get to. But so so 640 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 4: you'll like New York. It doesn't matter if it's the 641 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 4: Nets on Nicks. You're not like, if the Knicks nine 642 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 4: win it, I want the Nets to go out to 643 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 4: You're just like totally New York. 644 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 3: No, because they're not. Because I'm a Bulls fan and 645 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 3: always have been, so I don't. I don't, and and 646 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 3: the Bulls have managed to pull off that incredibly rare 647 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 3: thing of missing the playoffs and getting the worst lottery 648 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 3: position great really really the pole position, which is like 649 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 3: let's saying for just right worst on the lottery and 650 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 3: the worst in playoffs and right here, So so I 651 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 3: don't yeah, I don't have strong feelings. I just I 652 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 3: want to see them both too well. And I think 653 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 3: it's I like, I like watching the city be psyched 654 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 3: about about. 655 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 5: What did you think about the Bulls this season, Chris, 656 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 5: They weren't They're not a playoff team. They're not a 657 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 5: playing team. But it took until the last weekend to 658 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 5: be eliminated. I thought that was a win for the 659 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 5: Bulls this season, to go into the last weekend before. 660 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 3: I don't think so they were better. They should have 661 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 3: they should have been better. I mean, they're frustrating team. 662 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: They really are. 663 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 3: Zach is I'm a believer. I'm a believer in Zach 664 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 3: like I am. I am act like that that dude 665 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 3: can play. That dude is a legit like NBA star. 666 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 3: You know, he really like he showed incredible, uh sort 667 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 3: of improvement this year. 668 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 2: I liked all the deals they made. 669 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 3: You know, there's just like there's there's a lot of 670 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 3: holes and there's a lot of you know, there's a 671 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 3: lot of sloppiness and a lot of like sort of 672 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 3: self destruction that happens on that team. But again, like 673 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 3: ultimately it's just like there's just not enough talent on 674 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 3: the team you know there just isn't. I mean, when 675 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 3: you're looking at a team like the Celtics, right, who 676 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 3: are you know a little better in their record? And 677 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 3: when you compare the talent on that team to the 678 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 3: Bulls team, it's just, you know, they they don't have enough, 679 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 3: they don't have enough tools. 680 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 5: Well, unfortunately, I have to agree with you, even though 681 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 5: the way I would pitch it is, Hey, the Celtics 682 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 5: had two All Stars this year, and so do the Bulls. Unfortunately, 683 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 5: the second All Star was Vucevic, and as soon as 684 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 5: Vovich arrived, zach Lavine was out for quite some time. 685 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,239 Speaker 5: The team just never made it. What do you think 686 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 5: they should do in the summer, though? The big question 687 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 5: is going to be Lowry market in. He's going to 688 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 5: be a free agent. I know a while ago you 689 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 5: were hoping for a marketing season to carry through a 690 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 5: bad Bulls year. He's had a couple of stretches here 691 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 5: and there, but might be a pretty penny for Lowry. 692 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 3: I think you gotta I think you gotta get rid 693 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 3: of him, and I think I think it's one of 694 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 3: those things where like I think he could have a 695 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 3: rebirth somewhere else, But I think sometimes just to change 696 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 3: his scenery. You know, for a player like that who 697 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 3: hasn't put the pieces together in one place, I think 698 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 3: changing it. I could see him being quite good somewhere else, 699 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 3: because he does have all the tools. But I just 700 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 3: think you're not You're not going to get that out 701 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 3: of him there, and and so I think that's you know, 702 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 3: you kind of kind of cut your losses on him. 703 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: Well, you seem to watch a ton of ball. 704 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 2: It's like slightly embarrassing that basketball I watch. 705 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: We won't tell Rachel or Lawrence that you're taking in 706 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: the league. Pass. 707 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, let me tell you about who I think should 708 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 3: be the tenth man and the timber Wolves or okay. 709 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you're going you are going to. I 710 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: totally agree that it's fun to watch, you know. Twenty five, 711 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: twenty eight, twenty nine. I'm not sure about Alexey Polkoshski. 712 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: I guess no, you're right, You're right. Every team has 713 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: somebody that is of. 714 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 3: Just funny, is fun to watch because it's like, oh, 715 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 3: here's a kind of human I've never seen before. 716 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 2: I didn't know they made them like this, Like this 717 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 2: is an interesting this is an interesting person. 718 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: I guess he was. It's a little similar to Yanny's 719 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen when he got there. But but because okay, 720 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: see it is just throwing anybody and everybody out there 721 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: like ye just didn't get the time with the bucks 722 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: way really but yeah, the similar body types. Yeah, but pokes, 723 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: he's not going to put on muscle mass. Uh, baby, 724 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: I guess there'tity. 725 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 3: I mean yeah, we'll say listen, I gotta I gotta 726 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 3: go do my editorial call uh for for. 727 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: We took we took you away from that? Can I can? 728 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: I I'm gonna give you one one question for our 729 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: man j d here please? Who was in the arts? 730 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: Loves the arts? You directed Lynn Manuel Miranda's first play 731 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: in high school? Can you tell us about that before 732 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: you go? 733 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 2: I can? 734 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 3: It was his first musical. I think you might have 735 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 3: written another play. It's the first musical Lynn ever wrote. 736 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 3: It was called Nightmare and d Major it was it 737 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 3: followed the Nightmare of It was sort of surrealist nightmare 738 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 3: of a kid named Dylan. At one point, the fetal 739 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 3: pig he had dissected, uh comes back to haunt him 740 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 3: and uh, and then there's this sort of a love 741 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 3: interest that he uh remembers from his past. But it 742 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 3: was really good and it was really catchy. I can 743 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 3: still sing the songs, and which is a testament. 744 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 2: I'm serious. I mean lynn is Lynn has been Lynn 745 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 2: since like he was fourteen, Like the songs from that 746 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 2: where we all heard them, We're like these are you know, 747 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 2: they'll stick with you forever. So he's uh, he's always 748 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 2: he has. 749 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 3: He's been that, that dude since I met him at 750 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 3: fourteen we were running the bus together. 751 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: Is there is there any little, uh, any little hymn 752 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: you can sing us from now? 753 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna I'm gonna do or from that. 754 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: Well, thanks for taking the time. 755 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 3: We really this was fun, guys, really Okay, I'm going 756 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 3: to destroy Anthony Fauci. Okay, We've got to next week, 757 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 3: all right, I'm going to take off my guys. 758 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, appreciate it. All right, that was fun. 759 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: I was awesome. I was a blast. He was great. 760 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: We said we'd give or he would be able to 761 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: give us half an hour. Gave us forty. I gave 762 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 1: us forty. So thank you so much to Chris Hayes 763 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: for that. We're all done here. Make sure you check 764 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: in our play in previews, our play in reactions of course, 765 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: of course our entire playoff previews that'll be coming before 766 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: the playoffs, where we will be going every day. We 767 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: will see you next time. Thanks guys, you could stay. 768 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,760 Speaker 3: Every day and Anie happy every manting. 769 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 1: It's been so long that your Wana way. 770 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 5: Before it's happened already. 771 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 2: It's gonna be good.