1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to bokay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody reporting from the home Bunker. Folks. 3 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: I'm really excited to bring to you today this episode 4 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: that I think is really important, not just for parents, 5 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: not just for teachers, but for all of us. You know, 6 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: oftentimes when we talk about education on this show, I 7 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: forget to make kind of the disclaimer that regardless of 8 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: whether or not you actually have kids or plan on 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: having kids at all, our education system and the strength 10 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: of it matters to all of us because they are 11 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: creating the future thinkers, workers, innovators, or what the Republican 12 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: Party wants is the permanent underclass in this country in 13 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: order to uphold capitalism and the one percent. What Grace 14 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: Lynch's new show Teaching Texas goes into a deep dive 15 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: about how the state of Texas has had control over 16 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: American history, over our textbooks for the last sixty years. 17 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: The show begins with a historical context, going back to 18 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties into this couple, this white couple, who 19 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: were uncomfortable, you know, with the way that history was 20 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: being taught, how it went against their Judeo Christian values. 21 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: And that their idea of America was running in contrary 22 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: to you know, the truth that was being talked about 23 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: America's founding and subsequent racism and policies of discrimination. But 24 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,279 Speaker 1: we know that the far right has an all out 25 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: onsawt against education. Right now, affirmative action is on the 26 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: chopping block and will be dismantled by the Supreme Court. 27 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: We know that affirmative action allowed for people of color, 28 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 1: black people in particular, to be able to aspire to 29 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: higher education at predominantly white institutions because they had a 30 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:18,839 Speaker 1: history of what discrimination shocking, and so affirmative action came. 31 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: And then now you have a rise in the number 32 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: of people of color black people over the decades going 33 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: into higher education. Well, what else do we learn. We 34 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: know that a majority of black and brown kids of 35 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: color are who are in public education system, and so 36 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: we know that that has been the reason for a 37 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: quest to defund public education throughout the decades. And now 38 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: they are using quote unquote the boogeyman of critical race 39 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: theory as the reasoning behind wanting to run push people 40 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: of color out of the public education system because with 41 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: more people taking their children out and putting them in 42 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: religious institutions are putting them in private schools, will then 43 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: you're not going to need to have the same kind 44 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: of investment right into our public education system, which in 45 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: turn does what exactly creates a more pliable and under 46 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: educated working class that won't go against their authoritarian regimes 47 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: and that will live in a cycle of desperation and poverty, 48 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: right creating the permanent underclass that this country that Republicans want. 49 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: What Teaching Texas in their eight part series do is 50 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: connect the dots between how this started in Texas and again, 51 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: what happens in Texas happens around the country because they 52 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: control the textbook situation that goes into all of our 53 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: nation schools. So we can't just say to ourselves, well, 54 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: I'm in New York, or I'm in California, or you know, 55 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: I'm in Oregon or I'm in Iowa, so like this 56 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: doesn't matter for me. No, it does, because they're disseminating 57 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: their watered down white supremacists encircled vision of America all 58 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: throughout the country and invading our public school systems. With 59 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: Grace Lynch, I will also discuss, you know, the rise 60 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: in violence that we have seen at school board meetings 61 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: and how political violence isn't just about the violence that 62 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: is happening at the federal level, but it's what we 63 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: are seeing at the state and local level that should 64 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: be raising alarm bells. So I'm really excited, folks, for 65 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: you to dig into this conversation with Grace Lynch, audio 66 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: journalist and the host of Teaching Texas that is coming 67 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: up next. 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Tune in every Tuesday wherever 77 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Folks. I'm very excited to welcome 78 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: to woka F for the very first time, Grace Lynch, 79 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: who is an audio journalist and producer at Wonder Media 80 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: Network and is host of the show Teaching Texas, which 81 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: does a deep dive into how Texas has dictated American 82 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: education over the last sixty years. Grace, as we were 83 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: talking before we hit record, I was sharing with you 84 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: that and as my the WOKAF audience knows that I 85 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: am a former early childhood educator. My master's degree worked 86 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill doing education policy, was a lobbyist. Education 87 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: is very important to me and has always been, and 88 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: I feel like I am, I guess not the only 89 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: person now because you've got a whole podcast dedicated to 90 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: how dangerous the state of Texas is to the nation's education. 91 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: So give us a little bit about why this podcast 92 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: and why now? Well, first of all, thank you so 93 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: much for having me. It's a real pleasure to be 94 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: here with you and to be on the show. I'm 95 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: a longtime listener and fans, so this is a real 96 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: treat for me. And why this show? Why now? Well, 97 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: I think that if anyone has been even remotely paying 98 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: attention to the news, or honestly even desperately trying to 99 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: avoid it, you have still been bombarded with the CRT 100 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: debate that is raging all across the country. Parents storming 101 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: school board meetings, teachers and administrators getting fired over acknowledgements 102 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: of racism existing, all this anti trans legislation that's been 103 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: passing about you know, trans kids in schools. It's education 104 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: has become the latest front of our culture wars. And 105 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: I actually pitched the show years ago, long before kind 106 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: of the CRT debate took over, because I really was 107 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: just fascinated by the fact that Texas had such an 108 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: outsized impact on our education and wanted to dive into 109 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: that more So, I think the why now kind of 110 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: honestly presented itself to me in a really lucky way, 111 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: but that as we're heading into a mid terms where 112 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: you know, democracy is on the ballot in many ways, 113 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: I think that something that should not be overlooked is 114 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: the fact that public education is the bedrock of democracy 115 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: and is really a foundational element that creates an informs 116 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: doesn't read that can function in a democracy. So I 117 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: feel as if that these debates have been kind of siloed, 118 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: the discussions over CRT and this you know, acknowledgement of 119 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: the crisis in our democracy, and really they're one and 120 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: the same, and so I think that I hope any 121 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: audience that comes, you know, on and listens to the 122 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: show as we journey all the way back to the 123 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: nineteen six season, really look at this grassroots movement that 124 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: began in Texas that they also connect that to, you know, 125 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: and stick with us until we reach the modern day 126 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: and kind of start to talk about the implications of 127 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: education and its importance right now. Well, I think what 128 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: is really important is that you are giving a history 129 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: lesson rights as well as, you know, bringing folks up 130 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: to the modern day. The reality in America, though, is 131 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: that education has always been at the forefront of every 132 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: culture war. I mean, we harken back to the images 133 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: of Ruby Bridges, who by the way, is not an 134 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: old lady by any stretch of the American imagination, and 135 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: it's alive now, and the pictures of her being escorted 136 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: by the National Guard as a as a four or 137 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: five year old to desegregate her elementary school. This happened 138 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: in the nineteen in the nineteen fifties, and what is 139 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: one of the things that had prompted Brown versus the 140 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: desegregating schools um came because of Brown versus the Board 141 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: of Education, and then we had the result being this 142 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: that children Black children needed to have literal military protection 143 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: in order to attend school. So I want you to 144 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: talk a bit about some of the historical things contexts 145 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: that we forget right or rather and I say forget, 146 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 1: but we're purposefully not really delved into in our education. 147 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: Um to have us understand that what we are seeing 148 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: now with from a book book burning to the narrowing 149 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: of curriculum, you know, in order to appease white people 150 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: and as Ronda Santis says, you know, to eliminate any 151 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: any any, any possible white guilt that could that could 152 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: ever happen, like we need to uphold white people's comfort. 153 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: Talk to us about some of the things that have 154 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: sparked on the show with regard to history that we 155 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: should know absolutely. And I think to your point, you know, 156 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: why we're paying attention to it right now as opposed 157 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: to the past, where if this has always been present, 158 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: is the fact that in the past, these conversations, in 159 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: these debates took place in rooms where people really weren't 160 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: paying much attention. You know, these were small elected offices 161 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: where people weren't really sure what these people did. Not 162 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: many people turned out for these elections. Grassroots activists showed 163 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: up to these hearings that many people knew what they 164 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: were doing, and so I think that the interesting thing 165 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: about what this show does is it traces it back 166 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: to those small town activists who started raising concerns over 167 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: what they saw in their children's textbooks that they didn't 168 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: think aligned with their what they called Judeo Christian values. 169 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: They didn't think it purported the image of America that 170 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: they wanted their child to have, And in many instances 171 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: and almost every other state, their impact on education would 172 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: have ended there. It would have ended with them maybe 173 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: influencing their local school board, maybe influencing a district wide 174 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: school board. But instead, because this was Norma and mel 175 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: Gabler in Texas, where they adopt textbooks K through twelve 176 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: for the whole state, making it the largest market for 177 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: textbooks in the country. Because they were the sole constituency 178 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: that this board essentially needed to cater to, they ended 179 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: up dictating what needed to be in these textbooks that 180 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: were made for the largest market and therefore sold all 181 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: over to the rest of the country. So we're not 182 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: only charting the story of the individuals who become part 183 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: of this movement, who latch onto a system that they're 184 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: able to puppeteer to their will, but also the fact 185 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: that the story could only have ever taken place in Texas, 186 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: and because it takes place in Texas, it has implications 187 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: that spread out all across the country. And I just 188 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: don't think that a lot of people necessarily realize that 189 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: the small town activists who have no education background behind 190 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: you were able to pop a teer essentially a system 191 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: that then rippled out all over the rest of the country. 192 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: And it's also worth acknowledging that, like a lot of 193 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: these folks throughout history, like not only just Melanorma who 194 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: we feature, but there are many acolytes that they inspire. 195 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: It's a lot of white folks, and it's a lot 196 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: of white moms, a lot of white women. And that's 197 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: also you know, many leaders of the anti CRT backlash 198 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: that we're seeing today are white women. And these are 199 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: women typically of privilege, who have, as particularly in the 200 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties through nineties, the ability to stay home and 201 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: be really engaged in the education of their children and 202 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: spend time reviewing textbooks, spend time, you know, participating in 203 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: school boards. There's a real element of both like racial 204 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: and class segregation and privilege that's embodied in all of 205 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: this activism that you know, we slowly kind of weave 206 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: and chart through over the course of several decades. In today, 207 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: I'm so I'm so glad that you that you brought 208 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: up both the race and the privilege element in the 209 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: stay at home mom mom and mafia bubble, right, because 210 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: because it's you know it, you like. A memory just 211 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: popped into my head from me being an elementary school 212 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: and I went to elementary school out east on Long Island, 213 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: in a majority white school district and in New York. 214 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: And I remember my mother, who at the time was 215 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: a divorcee, uh you know, mother of two and a working, 216 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: full time working mom. And as most those kids built 217 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: their parents, I had said to her, you know, why 218 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: why can't you come on my field trips the way 219 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: that so and So's mother comes on my field trips, 220 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: or like, you know, come and do like the bakesale, 221 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: you know and so and so. But my mother looked 222 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: at me, I'll never forget it, and I'm like a 223 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: grown ass woman. My mother looked at me grace and 224 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: was just like, because I have a job, because I 225 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: because I actually work, and I need you to understand 226 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: that life. I don't the spare time that I have, 227 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: right is this is not what it is dedicated too. 228 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: And my mother was very very clear. But I think 229 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: about that, and I think about the way that we 230 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: don't lift up those working moms and those working parents 231 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: and don't make it so, for instance, that you would 232 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: do these meetings at a time when everybody could participate 233 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: right where you would be, you would be opening up, 234 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, an opportunity so that every parent has a voice, 235 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: everyone's voice is equal. So I just want you to 236 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: you know, the question for you is I don't think 237 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: that we tie in the class and tie in the 238 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: racial element of school board and school participation. It's like, 239 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: if you're not showing up for parent teacher conferences, you're 240 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: the bad parent, as opposed to you're making parent teacher 241 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: conferences in the middle of the fucking day, right when 242 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: regular people are working and have jobs, and so like, 243 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: I just kind of want to talk about the parental 244 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: influence and what you have learned, But what kind of 245 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: informed the questions that you were asking in the investigation 246 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: that you were doing with this series. Well, one thing 247 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: I can point to right away is later in the show, 248 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: when we you know, kind of fast forward into the 249 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: modern day. We spoke with this group called the Round 250 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: Rock Black Parents Association, and it's a group that's based 251 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: on a suburb outside of Austin, round Rock, and it's 252 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: a group of parents who are parents of color who 253 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: are advocating for their students. And it's really unique in 254 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: not only the state, but a kind of in the 255 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: country because they have been able to successfully stop books 256 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: from being banned in their district, which is a really 257 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: incredible thing to see. And they emphasize so much the 258 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: ability to like build community and you know, reinforce that 259 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: community and create a sense of collectivism that has enabled 260 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: them to do that. But I will also say that 261 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: they spoke really candidly about the fact that, like, they 262 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: don't go to school board meetings because those aren't safe 263 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: environments for them because right now they're so toxic and 264 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: filled with such vitriol usually coming from white parents who 265 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: don't want their white children to feel uncomfortable by learning 266 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: about systemic racism in America, that they don't feel like 267 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: that's really a space for them. So they either send 268 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: testimony separately, they send letters separately, they somehow make their 269 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: voices heard outside of that pathway they've had to circumvent 270 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: the system altogether, or they lean on the white members 271 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: of their coalition to like kind of go and you 272 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: do that on their behalf, and so on some level, 273 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: I thought that was really inspiring to like see a 274 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: group of people who have had great success who have said, 275 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: we're not going to operate within your system that is 276 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: not built for us and doesn't want us here. But 277 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: it's also is very disconcerting that a group of parents 278 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable at a school board, meaning because they 279 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: risk being attacked essentially. So yeah, it's there's no like 280 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: even though that's like one of the like I would say, 281 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: more inspiring episodes that we have where you really do 282 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: get a sense that this debate is not just completely 283 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: consumed by people who are advocating for a very loud minority. 284 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: It is still it still illuminates just how many issues 285 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: are still just based into the system of how parents 286 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: and educators and the people monitoring education all interact. I 287 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 1: mean that should be like headline stories in and of itself. 288 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: Get a behind the scenes look at Comedy Central's The 289 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: Daily Show on Beyond the Scenes, an original podcast from 290 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: the Daily Show with Trevor Noah. Every week, host Roy 291 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: Wood Junior goes deeper with the notable guests and experts 292 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: from the Emmy Award winning series. Together, they use comedy 293 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: to tackle current topics from gentrification to gun laws and 294 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: take a closer look at how and why these topics matter. 295 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: Listen to Beyond the Scenes from the Daily Show with 296 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: Trevor Noah on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or wherever 297 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: you get your podcast. New episodes every Tuesday. You know, 298 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: I will say that at the beginning of COVID, when 299 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: schools are getting ready to come back from a year 300 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: and a half of remote learning, we watched school board 301 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: meetings turn into cage matches right again at the hands 302 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: of white parents. And the fact that we don't talk 303 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: about that and the potential and like the rise in 304 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: I mean, when we talk about the rise in political 305 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: violence in this country, we're talking about you know, rhetoric 306 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: at the federal at the state, federal level, but we're 307 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: not really talking about the continued violence or threats of intimidation, 308 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: which is what you're saying. Your folks, the folks that 309 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: you interviewed experienced, you know, just the fact that you 310 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: say that these that this group of parents of color, 311 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: black parents, brown parents needing to lean on the white 312 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: allies in this group in order to go to a 313 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: school board meeting. To me is terrifying. It's not great. 314 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: It's certainly not great. And you know, we also did 315 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: those speak too many wonderful educators or parents that are 316 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: white that like really want this diversity education in their schools. 317 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: They either want that for their students, and they want 318 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: their students of color to be seen in the stories 319 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: and the books that are in their libraries and in 320 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: the history of the country, and they want their you know, 321 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: white kids to know about the history of the country 322 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: and to be more responsible moving forward. So there is 323 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: a strong presence of ally ship, especially amongst people involved 324 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: in education, but we do need to work on making 325 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: these spaces safer, and that certainly has not been the 326 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: case recently. And I think that what we're seeing even 327 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: more so as I spoke to the co founder of 328 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: Moms for Liberty, which is one of the nationwide groups 329 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: that's really pushing a lot of these book bands, and 330 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: she is a very strong willed and very animated about 331 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: you know, getting these books out of schools, getting CRT 332 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: out of schools, and doesn't seem to see that she 333 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: is now essentially imposing her vision of parenting onto others, 334 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 1: and that is I think illuminating, and I think that 335 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: there's also, you know, something to be said for the 336 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: fact that, like, these spaces were made for her to 337 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: operate in and not made for some of the other 338 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: parents we spoke to. And unfortunately, some of the parents 339 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: of color we spoke to, like they've taken their kids 340 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,479 Speaker 1: out of public school, and some of them who are 341 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: in the education profession have left because it's just not 342 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: worth that. And that, to me was the real heartache, 343 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: was to hear you know, this mom talk about how 344 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: she's had to take her kid out of public school, 345 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: and ultimately, almost every education professional I spoke to said, yeah, 346 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,479 Speaker 1: we think that this is that's the result of a 347 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: long campaign to discredit public schools, to have people distrust teachers, 348 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: distrust their local school, distrust public education. And that has 349 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: been a long time goal of the right, and with 350 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: the Boogeyman CRT, they have really figured out how to 351 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, I think and you know, I've said 352 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: it many times on this show and other programs, which 353 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: is that the goal here is to defund public education, 354 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: and they're not. It is not sufficient in the way 355 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: that they have long been defunding education, which is by 356 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: virtue of the fact of your parents' income and the taxes, 357 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: the property taxes that they pay dictate how good or 358 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: how bad your public school is. Right, that isn't enough 359 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: anymore for the far right. They want to ensure that 360 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: these schools shutter all together, and only the elite, those 361 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: that can pay for private education or independent schools, will 362 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: be able to continue, you know, through their path to success, 363 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: and that we will create a permanent underclass in this country, 364 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: one that is under educated. And you know, it is 365 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: the upholders right, the workers for capitalism, like this is 366 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: this is you know, and and and you know, because 367 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: the one percent can exist without having other people's backs 368 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: to stand on. And if everybody is allowed into college, 369 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: if everyone is allowed the same kind of access in equity, 370 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: well then people are going to want to strive out 371 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: of their pre predescribed cast that they have been put 372 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: into in this country. We don't call it a cast system, 373 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: but that's what it is, because the likelihood that you're 374 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: able to move out of your parents economic status is 375 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: reliant upon education right and access to that education. And 376 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: you see that attacked from the court cases that are 377 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: before the Supreme Court with regard to affirmative action, to 378 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: student student loan debt relief, to now K through twelve. 379 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: It's an attack on the entire system. It is. And 380 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: I will say two things to that. One, I believe 381 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: in like two thousand and seven or two thousand and eight, 382 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: it was acknowledged that in Texas the majority of students 383 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: in public schools were students of color, and that is 384 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: coincides exactly with the states divestment in public schools. So 385 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,479 Speaker 1: there absolutely continues to be a very present racial element 386 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: to all of this. The second thing I'll say is 387 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: that one of our experts on the show, Charissa Lopez, 388 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: who is the current political director for Texas Freedom Network, 389 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: which is a progressive watchdog organization that like watches the 390 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: Texas State Board of Education, she said to me, point blank, 391 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: you know, if you want to influence with the next 392 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: generation of people think politically, you start with what you 393 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: teach them in public school. And so not only is 394 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: this about creating you know, a permanent working class or 395 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: you know, enabling the one percent, it's also about creating 396 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: a very pliable voter base, and that shouldn't be ignored 397 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: in all of this either, like there is a class element, 398 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,479 Speaker 1: there is a race element, and then there is just 399 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 1: a blatant political play to instill in people values that 400 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 1: are going to be beneficial to, in this instance, the 401 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: Republican Party. One other point to that is that the 402 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: Texas State Board of Education, I believe, in twenty ten 403 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 1: changed textbooks from referring to the Constitution as a living constitution, 404 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,959 Speaker 1: which is how I remember learning about it in school, 405 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: to an enduring constitution. She has a very different interpretation 406 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,719 Speaker 1: of that document, and they actually got the publisher of 407 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: the textbook that coined the phrase living constitution to change 408 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: it to enduring constitution. And like how that immediately invokes 409 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: these ideas of textualism, of originalism, of returning to this 410 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: founding idea is completely different than how I grew up 411 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: learning about it, which is that like, this is a 412 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: document that is growing with us, that's changing with us. 413 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: That's like adapting to society that is meant to live, 414 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: And like small things like that are really impactful for 415 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: how a kid conceives of the nation, and it's going 416 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: to be more willing to accept this idea of like, 417 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: this is the way it was intended, this is the 418 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: way it must be as opposed to why don't we 419 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: reassess and grow and reflect the times? Yeah, because the 420 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: point of the far right and the Republican Party isn't 421 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: to grow, It isn't to expand. It is to narrow, 422 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: and it is to under educate and undermine our democracy 423 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: with the quest for power. And what troubles me so much, 424 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: and this is why I'm just so grateful for your 425 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: podcast Teaching Texas is that more people need to be 426 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: aware of what is going on. And it doesn't matter. 427 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: And this is what I want to state for folks listening. 428 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter whether you have kids in the school 429 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: systems or not, whether you are you know, childless like 430 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: I am. How our citizenry is being educated will impact 431 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: and affect every single one of us, right, And that's 432 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: the thing that is not mentioned. It's like, oh, well, 433 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: I don't have a kid, so I can go about 434 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: my business. No, you cannot. What they are doing now. 435 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: It is an all out war and assault on our 436 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: education system, which is an all out war and assault 437 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: on our actual freedom and liberty. Grace. I want to 438 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Tell folks where they can find 439 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 1: Teaching Texas and connect. Absolutely, you can find Teaching Texas 440 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: anywhere you listen to podcasts, So wherever you're listening to 441 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: this wonderful show, you can also search for Teaching Texas 442 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: and find us there. It's an eight episode series for 443 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: out Weekly. We span many decades of history. It ranges 444 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: from fun archival tape to really zany characters who are 445 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: still alive in working today, to really inspiring people who 446 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: are in education, and to really dangerous folks who are 447 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: also trying to manipulate this system. And it's all coming 448 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: to a head this mid terms with the Texas State 449 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: Board of Education once again assessing social study standards for 450 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: the state and therefore for the country. And so it's 451 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: a really it's an important story. It's a vibrant story, 452 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: and I really hope people give it a shot. So 453 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me on to talk 454 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 1: about it. Thank you for joining us, and I hope 455 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: to have you back. Thank you, Grace, And again, this 456 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: show is Teaching Texas folks, so get into it. Appreciate you, 457 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: thank you. That is it for me today, Dear friends 458 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: on Woke app as always power to the people and 459 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: to all the people. Power. Get woke and stay woke 460 00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: as fuck. Get a behind the scenes look at Comedy 461 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: Central's The Daily Show on Beyond the Scenes, an original 462 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: podcast from The Daily Show with Trevor Noah. 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