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Speaker 1: and then goes on to and that you galvanizes the country.

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Speaker 1: and you see then what happened on election day, big

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Speaker 1: movement towards Biden. Only Trump's surprising win has been more

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Speaker 1: just what than the last seventy two hours in politics?

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Speaker 1: Just wow? Let's discuss with Dana Millbank op ed Calumn

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Speaker 1: Discovering National Politics for the Washington Post and always an

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Speaker 1: interesting conversation. Dana, how are you, sir? I'm well, I

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Speaker 1: would say this is more surprising than Trump's win, because

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Speaker 1: you know, he had the James Comy effect. You know,

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Speaker 1: the week before this one was just uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: really just all change in like three days. Well, here's

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Speaker 1: what we've decided to do, as kind of pundits ourselves.

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Speaker 1: We've got our executive producer digging up tape of us

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Speaker 1: from a year and a half ago or a year

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Speaker 1: Then we're gonna play it and we're gonna punish ourselves

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Speaker 1: so that hopefully we remember in the future not to

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Speaker 1: take these polls so seriously. Well, or take them seriously,

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Speaker 1: in time. We're wasting our lives. We dupe people into

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Speaker 1: continuing to listen. Yeah, So, Danta, on a more serious note,

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Speaker 1: that incredible turnaround. What what was the engine behind it?

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Speaker 1: What motivated it? You know, it's just everything came together

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Speaker 1: You suddenly had Biden come to life in the South

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Speaker 1: the the sort of the last man standing. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: So that all came together, and then you saw what

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Speaker 1: So it's entirely possible he would have, you know, swept

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Speaker 1: I mean bloom didn't seem to have a whole lot

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Speaker 1: consider America, Samoa, I'll make your win. I do. In fact,

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Speaker 1: seven people working on hundred voters. Well, that's something that

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Speaker 1: he's not really expanding the electorate. You know, he's not

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Speaker 1: In your opinion? That was you know what, that was irresponsible.

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Speaker 1: It was mean. I retracted question. Come on, I didn't

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Speaker 1: help Mike Bloomberg. Mike Bloomberg was taking the American Samoa.

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Speaker 1: I think we should per Cuba into the equation. Welcome Cuba.

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Speaker 1: Dana Milbank in the Washington Post, and Dana, we're up

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Speaker 1: against heartbreak, but it's always fun. Thanks for the time.

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Speaker 1: it hadn't occurred me. But it is a terrifying and

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Speaker 1: a phony. Right, he will gladly lay waste to Joe

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Speaker 1: least four or five toes in the grave, and he's thinking,

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Speaker 1: what is my legacy? Would Lennon have put up with this?

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Speaker 1: He's asking himself. No, he'd lined people against the wall

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Speaker 1: and and and shoot him. Now. I don't think Bernie's

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. I think he got Biden's mojo. With

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Speaker 1: gonna be quite quite the race going on down to November. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and listen, Trump fans, I got some bad news for you.

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Speaker 1: Trump being mean to Hillary worked because she's a loathsome

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Speaker 1: human being could possibly like in a dozen different ways

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Speaker 1: which I don't have time to describe. Joe Biden is

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Speaker 1: these half a dozen different kinds of goofy, but he

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Speaker 1: is a reasonably nice person. Um So, I just I

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Speaker 1: wonder how the Trump playbook will play against old Uncle Joe.

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