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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. So David Liebert, there you go. That was

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Speaker 1: my Uh, that was my That was a DJ's choice

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Speaker 1: on that one, and I played in a bad way.

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Speaker 1: That's a cool tune. Man. That was one of the

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Speaker 1: few songs that Bobby Miranda didn't sing lead on that

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Speaker 1: was sung by Tommy Juliano. And turns out that's one

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Speaker 1: of my all time favorites happening songs. I really like

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Speaker 1: that one. It's super eddu Yeah, it was. It was

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Speaker 1: short of what I wanted, the direction in which I

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Speaker 1: wanted to go with the happenings but didn't work out

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Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, it's almost got kind of a Mama

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Speaker 1: told me not to come kind of a right. It

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Speaker 1: has a very spooky, eerie kind of almost. Yeah. It's

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Speaker 1: um um. That was one of my favorite songs. It

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Speaker 1: uh um. It's exactly what I wanted to do to

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Speaker 1: apply our harmony techniques, which I felt we did really well.

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Speaker 1: Probably he did two more contemporary themes and then structures

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Speaker 1: then Yeah, that one, that one the air that did

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Speaker 1: get through. It was actually, I believe on the b

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Speaker 1: side of I got rhythm which was a huge hitting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I Got Rhythm was a gigantic song. Um your version

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Speaker 1: of it obviously was it just it was everywhere, and

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Speaker 1: it was for a lot of people like my dad.

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Speaker 1: He loved that song, and I think for the rest

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Speaker 1: of us who are like wow, Dad. But then you

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Speaker 1: now you also went Then after you left um the Happenings,

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Speaker 1: you had an offer um to fly back and forth

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Speaker 1: through to New York and Detroit and become the tour manager,

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Speaker 1: the road manager for um Rare, as far as I'm concerned,

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Speaker 1: one of the most underrated, one of the greatest bands

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Speaker 1: of all time. They were a great band, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: they played mostly weekend, so I was able to sort

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Speaker 1: of advance the dates from my apartment in New York,

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Speaker 1: and then the night before I'd fly out to Detroit,

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Speaker 1: and then we'd all fly out and do the gigs

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Speaker 1: that weekend, and then when the weekend was over, I'd

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Speaker 1: put him back on a plane back to Detroit and

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Speaker 1: I'd fly myself back to New York. And this went

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Speaker 1: on for several very pleasant months. It was just a

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Speaker 1: great job, a nice, cushy job, and they were great guys.

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Speaker 1: They put on a fabulous show. They were really good.

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Speaker 1: And then one day I got a call from Johnny Padell,

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Speaker 1: who was and still is Alice Cooper's booking agent, and

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Speaker 1: he said that the Alice Cooper band was looking for

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Speaker 1: a new tour manager would be interested. Well, I was interested,

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Speaker 1: and I did get hired, and the first gig was

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Georgia, and Alice's manager, Chef Gordon, said, well,

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Speaker 1: just pay attention to just try and observe what's going on, David,

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Speaker 1: you'll get the hang of it. Listened. There was no

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Speaker 1: tech manual, there was no job description, and my first

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Speaker 1: impression of all of this was thirty some odd guys

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Speaker 1: crawling all over all the gear and equipment like giant insects.

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Speaker 1: And I said, I thought I had made the biggest

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Speaker 1: mistake of my life leaving my rear Earth job for

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Speaker 1: this insanity. But as it turned out, of course, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't the biggest mistake of my life. Is one of

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Speaker 1: the best decisions of my life because for the next

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Speaker 1: four years being Alice's tour manager, not only was it

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Speaker 1: a great job where I traveled all over the world

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Speaker 1: we did, I also had the greatest rock and roll

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Speaker 1: ment or anyone could have in the person of Chef Gordon.

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Speaker 1: Yea of what I learned about the music business, I

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Speaker 1: learned from Chef Gordon. One of his um one of

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Speaker 1: his best friends, one of Alice's best friends is a

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Speaker 1: guy that my wife worked with for a long time,

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Speaker 1: a guy named Mark Tarbell, who's a chef in Phoenix

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Speaker 1: and um and so he goes out to Hawaii to

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Speaker 1: cook for for Sheff every so once in a while

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Speaker 1: and does events with with them. He and Alice hang

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Speaker 1: out at his restaurant, and so I've heard some great

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Speaker 1: stories about Chef and that he is the real deal. UM.

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Speaker 1: And there's a documentary that came out about ten years

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Speaker 1: ago called super Mensch, The Legend and of Sheep Gordon.

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Speaker 1: If anybody wants to watch, I don't know who has

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Speaker 1: should watch it. But you know, that's an interesting juxtaposition, though,

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Speaker 1: because there was all this disorganization, as you reference, especially

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Speaker 1: bit of Alice Cooper, which was just getting as an act,

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Speaker 1: was just kind of getting things together versus Rare Earth,

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Speaker 1: and I think when I was reading that, and you

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Speaker 1: but I I've always think of any of those Motown

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Speaker 1: Motown subsidiary Rare Earth Records producing Rare Earth, that there

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Speaker 1: was just this people got down to business, they knew

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Speaker 1: their jobs, they did their jobs, and then they went

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Speaker 1: home and that was that's and they did it with

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Speaker 1: precision and a level of quality that I think is

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Speaker 1: still is a high water mark in the recordings of

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Speaker 1: Rare Earth. Where are you on that? Yeah, they made

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Speaker 1: fabulous records. They really were really enduring records, and they

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Speaker 1: were serious about what they did. They took a lot

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Speaker 1: be part of their entourage. They're a great bunch of

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Speaker 1: and they were they were the in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 1: They were the first major jam band that would get

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Speaker 1: up and do fifteen twenty minute versions of their radio hits,

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Speaker 1: and they did them in such a way that was

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Speaker 1: that really brought something to it as opposed to that

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Speaker 1: have seen in that era where they really um, they

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Speaker 1: could see the reaction from the audience. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: it was really something to see. It was great. But

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Speaker 1: and Alice Cooper obviously was like that too, but in

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Speaker 1: a different way that the juxtapositions of Alice Cooper, you know,

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Speaker 1: there was just like all of these really interesting contradictions

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Speaker 1: and they got more theatrical and the songs got more intricate. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think again we're looking at people who really knew

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Speaker 1: just giving an audience a chance to come and worship them. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: they they first of all, Alice was the whole band,

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Speaker 1: almost like a morality play, you know, evil Alice Cooper

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody you know, took it very seriously,

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Speaker 1: and that certainly wasn't what Alice was like off stage,

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Speaker 1: on stage. It wasn't anything like him. Yeah, he would,

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Speaker 1: He was a sort of a straight laced kind of

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Speaker 1: there in the first place. Yeah, he never really took

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Speaker 1: certainly knew how to milk that. But no, that's not

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Speaker 1: hardest thing about taking an Alice Cooper show? And you

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Speaker 1: joined them just before the Billion Dollar Babies Tour, No,

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Speaker 1: Killer Tour, Killer Tour, Love that album, and then what

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Speaker 1: He was Bella Legosi who could rock pretty much. And

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Speaker 1: I understand he's a he's a born again Christian. Still

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Speaker 1: well yeahs, you know his father was a pastor, is

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Speaker 1: and all the terrible things that people were saying. Well,

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Speaker 1: So we were angry about we were we were happy

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Speaker 1: like the Beatles were doing, where he did a little

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Speaker 1: pretty hopeful, you know, pretty hopeless for you because that

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Speaker 1: unpatriotic while he was doing it. He was doing what

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Speaker 1: that Alice Cooper was doing. Everybody had to know exactly

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Speaker 1: somebody didn't work Alice could end up looking like an

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