WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: We Can Work It Out 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:06.279 I get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:10.399 the Bengals Booth Podcast. The we can work it out. 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:15.360 We can work it out. Addition, as the Bengals address 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:17.480 two key areas of need on Day two of the 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:21.320 draft by selecting Clemson offensive lineman Jackson Carmen in round 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:26.360 two and Texas edge rusher Joseph Osai in round three. 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:29.960 Coming up, I'll talk to former Bengals offensive line coach 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:33.839 Paul Alexander, who helped Jackson Carmen prepare for the draft 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:36.920 and told the Bengals that he was worthy of being 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.960 a first round selection. Then I'll discuss Friday's picks with 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:44.040 my broadcast partner Dave Lapham and look at some of 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:47.800 the players still available, particularly in the fourth round where 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:52.000 the Bengals now have three picks. The Bengals Booth Podcast 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.720 is presented by Bud Light. Seltzer refreshed the game and 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:57.920 here's a quick reminder that you can have the latest 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.480 edition of this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.960 or computer by subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, google Play, Spotify, 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:11.360 or pod Bean. It's the greatest thing since fan interest 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:15.480 in the NFL Draft. TV coverage of Round one was 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:20.000 seen by an average audience of twelve point six million 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:24.160 viewers that matched the rating for the most watch game 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:28.560 of last year's World Series. Let's face it, it's an 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:32.720 NFL world and we're just living in it. The Bengals 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:35.600 began Friday night with a sixth pick in round two, 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:39.320 but traded it to New England, dropping back eight spots 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.800 and picking up two additional fourth round draft picks, so 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:46.319 instead of picking thirty eighth overall, they chose forty sixth, 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:50.240 and that meant some anxious moments for Bengals fans every 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:54.680 time an offensive lineman was selected. Tevin Jenkins went thirty ninth, 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:59.400 Leah Eichenberg went forty second, and Walker Little went forty fifth, 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:03.840 one spot before Cincinnati picked. Still, there were some good 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:09.200 options left, like Samuel Cosmei, Dylan Raidens, and the player 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:14.000 that Cincinnati ultimately selected, Jackson Carmen, the starting left tackle 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.680 at Clemson for the last two years, who happens to 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.320 be from Fairfield High School, where he was one of 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:22.480 the nation's top recruits. The twenty one year old is 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:26.360 six four, three hundred and seventeen pounds and is expected 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.480 to compete for a starting guard spot as a rookie. 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:33.400 Former Bengals O line coach Paul Alexander helped prepare more 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:39.000 than twenty offensive lineman for this year's draft, including Carmen. Oh. 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:43.079 How many times did you work with Jackson? Carmen? Oh? Shoot, 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:48.200 we wort together ten days, probably starting around mid season 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:52.200 this year. They had a bye week at Clemson, and 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:56.840 he came home and I know that title, and the 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:00.960 coaches over there at Fairfield and so up together, and 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:04.520 we work kind of a a few things, and then you know, 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:09.880 and then this whole offseason. So I'm o him pretty well. 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:14.839 He's terrific. What are his strengths. He's a powerful guy. 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:17.000 He can knock guys off the ball better than any 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:21.440 alignment in this draft. In my opinion. He can stop 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:26.440 the bullrush. But he also has terrific balance and agility 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:31.400 to pass block. I saw him as a first round pick. 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.760 I know that, Oh No, Kyper and friends probably hit 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:39.960 him lower, but I guess too bad. I think it 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:41.920 was legitimate. I think it's a steel. I don't think 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:45.520 it's a reach. I put him in the steel category. Interesting. 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.400 We're talking to former Bengals online coach Paul Alexander. You 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.600 did a podcast recently with Dave Lapham and said that 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.800 there's not a guy in the draft that knows the 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:58.240 NFL better than Jackson Carmen. How did that come out 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.440 in your conversations with him, Well, I've spent a lot 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.280 of time and we watched film, and we study rushers 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:08.520 and we study you know, blockers, and he knows them all. 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.680 You know, it's unbelievable. He knows what you have to 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.440 do to this guy and that guy and the other 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:17.640 and so he's and that is very important because modeling 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.440 in anything that you're successful with. Typically, if you model 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:24.800 will and that's your goal and you know about it 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:28.039 a lot, then you aspire to be great and more 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.040 than any guy in the draft. Like you said, Dan 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.479 and I said it to lap Up and I'll confirm 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.960 it again, more than any guy in the draft. He 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.960 knows the league in terms of playing offensive line right 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:43.479 now better than anybody. So Jonah Williams is the left tackle. 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.560 They signed Riley Reef to play right tackle. It sounds 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.280 like they're going to give Jackson the opportunity to compete 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.160 for a starting spot at guard, even though he has 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:55.039 not played guard in a game. Before. How challenging will 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.760 that be? Oh, they'll pick up on it. He's a 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:02.000 natural football player. He'll learn it, and he has a 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:06.560 chance to really be a dominant guard. But he can 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.200 certainly play tackle too. It's a heck of the thing 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:12.080 that when when you got a guy sitting on your roster, 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.400 that if something happens to Jonah or Riley, that the 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:19.200 bowling and go out there and play tackle and not 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:23.480 skip a beat. His tackle to guard a relatively easy 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.680 thing to do. It depends on the guy. I think 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.840 it depends on your physical structure. His structure is such 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:32.960 that he's so powerful and has a good center of 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:38.040 mass and which is good at guard, that I think 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:41.120 the transition will be seamless. He's a smart guy and 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.680 he has all the traits to be able to play boats. 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.440 So some guys can't do it well, it's because they're 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.919 built like tackles. Well, this kid's built like a guard, 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:54.320 built like a tackle, all right. He's kind of that 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:57.279 guy that's not too high cut or not too short. 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.240 He's kind of like great in the sweet spot of 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.000 which you're looking for in an athlete. He does not 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:05.440 have particularly long arms. I think I saw thirty two 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:08.799 and a half inches. Does that make guard his most 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:13.279 likely spot? Or that's a wrong measurement, Dad, greg you 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.800 brought that up when he was at Clemson for the 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.120 Clemson workout, they measured him at thirty two and a 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.919 half and I got I almost freaked out because I 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.719 measured him at thirty three and a quarter, right, And 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.520 which is you need thirty three for a tackle? Well, 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.719 he had a pro Day on the fifteenth of April 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.200 and they measured him and they measured him at thirty 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.359 three and a quarter, So they had thirty two and 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.159 a half that was floating around. Was a wrong measurement 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:42.680 and I've got, obviously my measurement, and then a second 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.320 measurement to confirm the same thing happened with Joe Thomas. 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.479 If you remember Joe Thomas and everyone's like, oh, my 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:50.840 guy can't play. Taco's arms were too short. You know, 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.880 they measured him his junior year and they mismeasured him, 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:54.960 and then all of a sudden he went to the 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.520 combine and they said, oh, because arms very long enough, 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:01.600 you can play tackle. Yeah, no, kid, that's really interesting. 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:06.480 So in his media conference with the Cincinnati Reporters, he 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.960 spoke reverently about Willie Anderson. Apparently he and Willy have 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.120 worked together. Will He's give them a lot of advice 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.240 and guidance. And obviously you have a very close relationship 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:20.800 with Willie Anderson. Do you see some connections there? I do. 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:24.680 The two of them have some similar physical traits. You know, 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:28.440 they both have good, strong lower bodies. You know, they 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:33.080 are powerful people. And then Willie, well, Willie does a 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.600 lot of work with high school kids and college kids. 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:39.000 And you know, Jackson was coming out of high school. 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:42.360 He was a top recruiting the country as an offensive life. 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:46.080 He's five star. And you know Willie from the different 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.680 camps and so forth and recruiting camps. I don't know 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:51.400 what they call them now. They used to be under 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.720 our camps, right or nineteen they have those who but 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.840 Willie worked those and ness where you got to meet Jackson, 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:02.760 and over time they've kept their relationship. And Uh, it's 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:07.360 really good because really is able to really is great wisdom. 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.480 You know, not only was really a great player, but 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:14.040 really gets it and uh and he's a special, special 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:18.520 man and that's uh, he was able to impart some 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:21.080 of that with Jackson. And I know really recommended him 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:24.480 to the Bengals highly, you know, and uh, I know 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:28.040 he had talked to do Covin and gave his recommendation, 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.520 and uh so they're kind of it kind of speaks 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:33.480 for it. I think I talked to Mike Brown and 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.640 I recommended him. It was when I talked to Mike, 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.000 it was that's the guy he wanted to know about 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:43.040 practically more than anybody. So the Bengals fad their eye 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:48.840 on him for quite a while, and so I was answered, 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:52.559 I kind of figured they were going to pick him. Interesting, 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:55.640 So when they traded back from thirty eight to forty six, 0:08:56.559 --> 0:08:58.360 did you have it in the back of your head 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:00.920 that maybe the NFL was and as high on him 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.440 as the Bengals were, and that that was really the 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:07.199 guy they were targeting. I called Jackson and I told 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:11.840 him exactly that last thing for Paul Alexander. In addition 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:15.000 to your expertise when it comes to offensive line play, 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.960 you study performers in all walks of life and what 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:23.480 it takes to excel. Does he have any traits or 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.640 characteristics that you think will allow him to, you know, 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.599 exceed under the white hot spotlight of competing in the 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:33.719 National Football League. He does. You know the thing I 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:37.080 mentioned that he knows the league? All right, so that's great. 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:42.959 He's ultra competitive, all right. I was down. I was 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.640 down working with him and working with a guy who's 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:51.199 plays an NFL left tackle, highly regarded NFL left tack 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:55.480 where we're doing some work about a month ago, and jactually, 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.000 I guess he's trying to make the guy look really bad. 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:03.120 You know. Really, he's ultra competitive. You know, he's like, 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.600 this guy is a good game guy, but I'm better 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:10.680 than him. So he is a very high opinion of himself, 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.880 and not in a naive way, in a way that 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:18.000 I think will help propel him to be great. Paul, 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.760 I always appreciate the opportunity to pick your brain. Thanks 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:24.679 for the information about Jackson. The Bengals Booth podcast is 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:28.360 presented by Bud Light Seltzer. It's light and refreshing with 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:31.560 a hint of fruit flavor. After going O line in 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.440 round two, the Bengals went D line in round three 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:38.360 with a selection of edge rusher Joseph Osai from Texas. 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:43.000 He had sixteen tackles for loss, five sacks, and forced 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:47.080 three fumbles in only nine games last season. Now time 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.199 to recap Day two and look ahead to Day three 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:54.440 with my broadcast partner Dave Lapham. I had the thirty 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.600 eighth pick. They elected to make a deal with the 0:10:56.679 --> 0:11:00.480 New England Patriots, dropping back to forty six. They picked 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:04.679 up two fourth round picks for trading down. They wind 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.440 up with the seventeenth pick in the fourth round that 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.840 originally belonged to Arizona. They also get the thirty fourth 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:14.199 pick in the fourth round. That's a compensatory pick. If 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:17.640 you look at the old trade value chart, the thirty 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.800 eighth pick in the draft is worth five hundred twenty points. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.280 If you add up the three picks that the Bengals 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.440 got an exchange, it's five hundred and twenty six point five. 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.320 So it's basically an even swap in terms of points. 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:31.520 But the Bengals wind up with a couple of extra 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:35.440 fourth rounders. Yeah, and I think when you look at it, Dan, 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:39.400 that's kind of the the sweet spot of the draft. 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.520 You know where people are thinking, particularly you know, some 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:46.000 offensive lineman. There's enough depth there on the offensive line 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.360 where you can do some damage, you know, in the 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:51.319 in the fourth round, those middle rounds and even into 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.160 the fifth round. You know, people are still feeling pretty 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.920 good about offensive lineman and and I think the Bengals 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:01.080 that it was a good, good decision. I think it 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.839 was a smart move on their part. They felt good 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.920 about who they picked, and they got an extra, you know, 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.560 a couple of fourth round picks, and so doing you know, 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:11.640 you get one hundred and twenty second pick, one hundred 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.240 and thirty ninth pick of the draft. That's pretty strong. 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.840 It's pretty strong. So let's go back to the third 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.199 round or to the second round rather and pick number 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.199 thirty eight. Because when we did our podcast after round one, 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.480 we talked about some of the offensive linemen that were 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:27.600 still available, and the number one guy on the list 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:31.400 was Tevin Jenkins. As it turned out, he was still 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.520 there at number thirty eight. The only offensive lineman that 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:39.119 could picked before that in the second round was Landon Dickerson, 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:42.360 who went thirty seventh to the Eagles. So had the 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:46.160 Bengals stayed at thirty eight, they could have had Tevin Jenkins, 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.840 they could have had Liam Eichenberg, they could have had 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:54.640 Walker Little. Those guys were taken between thirty eight and 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:58.840 when they did eventually get to pick at number forty six, yeah. 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.599 I think they had had an idea that there was 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.679 going to be a run there of those guys and 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.480 it and it panned out that way. But they had 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:10.160 their guy identified, and of course the great mel Kiper, 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:12.280 who hasn't played a snap of football, said that, oh, 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:17.080 that's ridiculous. Jackson Carmen, I had, you know, third fourth round, uh, 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:21.600 you know and the third round, fourth round. Um, so whatever, 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.080 I mean, there's gonna All I can say is that 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:27.199 there are a lot of NFL teams that when I 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:28.680 was talking to him and I said, what do you 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:30.720 guys think of Jackson Carmen? Do you think he'll be 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.400 there at thirty eight? I don't know. I don't know 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:35.240 if he'll be there at thirty eight. He might, you 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:38.080 can cross your fingers and hope, hope and pray. So 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.800 there's a big disparity of you know, where you have 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:45.240 guys slotted and evaluated, as always, particularly between the draft 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.839 gurus you know, and the coaches and the and the 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:52.040 scouts and the people that you know are actually gonna 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.760 make the pick and then coach the players. So um, 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:58.959 there's always always some big differences in the way people 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:02.040 look at players. And how about Jackson Carmen, though, Dame 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:05.400 you talked about coming full circle playing up at Fairfield, 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:09.360 Ohio five star recruit, finalists for the Anthony Munio's Award 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.439 as the best lineman in the area. You know, highly 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:18.240 acclaimed offensive lineman, basically one of the top two recruits 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.640 in the state of Ohio. Basically everybody thought he was 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.240 going to go to Ohio State, and he duped everybody 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.080 and went to went to Clemson. And now he's gonna 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:32.240 come full circle after starting such in a spectacular fashion 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:36.200 of Fairfield and going down to Clemson and proving himself 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.600 worthy at the in the offensive line and getting drafted 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:42.320 by the hometown team and coming back home to play 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.320 a professional career. That's a that's a pretty good story. 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:49.560 That's a that's something that you have to see it 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:53.240 to believe it. I guess two people that Mike Brown 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:57.520 really respects when it comes to offensive line play sang 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:02.120 Jackson Carmen's praises, Willie Anderson and Paul Alexander, who is 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.160 a member of the coaching staff for a long time. 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.520 When those two guys tell the Bengals that they think 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.000 that Jackson Carmen is going to be an excellent NFL 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:14.200 offensive lineman. The Bengals are listening, There's no doubt about it. 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.640 And uh, you know, I think that they both they 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:22.120 both understand the athleticism that the big guy has. I mean, 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.600 he is light on his feet, he can get up 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.200 on his toes when he needs too, He's got tremendous balance, 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:33.880 He's extremely athletic, and he's got he's got a tremendous 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:38.520 skill set. And both, obviously Willie and Paul Alexander teach 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:41.160 the same sort of techniques and they have the same 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.560 evaluation of them. And they were very, very high on 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:46.560 him and feel like he's going to be able to 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.000 play well for a very long time in the National 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:53.040 Football League. Initially sounds like he's going to be inside 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:56.120 at the guard position, but doesn't mean that he wouldn't 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:58.960 necessarily slide out and see how he could play at 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.640 the tackle. Spody played left tackle down there at Clemson 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:06.360 and played it well. I think that watching a little 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:08.520 bit of their their tape that was interesting though. We 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.520 had their offensive line pickup stunts and tried to man 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.040 block everything and kind of put him behind the eight 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:18.360 ball in a few type in a few instances that 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:23.320 it wasn't due to his lack of proficiency physically and athletically. 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.000 It was just a, I think, a tough thing to 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:29.280 try to execute. But I think he's he's a really 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:31.600 really good football player. And two guys that I have 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:35.400 a lot of trust in their evaluation as well, and 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.400 people that they know around the league and people they 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.800 talked to, the Sims boys filling Chris Simms, both had 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.880 very strong opinions that he was going to be a 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:50.080 high pick, and everybody's right. It turned out that he 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.920 was a higher pick than people some people may have thought, 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.600 like mel Kiper. So he is expected to compete for 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.800 a starting spot at guard. You asked him the question 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.320 you ever played guard before? He said, no, I've practiced 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.800 it guard, I've never played it in a game. You 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.359 can speak to this because you played all five positions 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.960 in a game at the NFL level. How difficult is 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:15.120 that transition going to be at the highest level of football. Yeah, 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:19.560 it's it's interesting. Um. The biggest the biggest difference is 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:24.160 when you go from the from the outside inside, things 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:28.760 are faster. Things happen in a much faster, faster pace. Uh, 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:32.120 there's there's you have to make quicker decisions. Your your 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.480 brain has to process things a little bit quicker. You'll 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:39.080 have twists inside with linebackers and down linemen that you 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:42.920 don't necessarily experience on the outside when you're past protecting 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.280 against the defense. Ven usually it's you got the defensive end. 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.440 You have the defensive end almost every single repetition. So 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.360 it's it's it's a little bit uh, a little bit 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.280 like being on the Autobahn in terms of speed on 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.679 that interior. So it's more of a mental adjustment, I 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.840 think than a physical adjustment. I don't think he'll have 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.399 any any real big physical adjustment at all. I mean, 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:07.880 he's a he's a specimen, and he does have great 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:11.159 athletic ability, but it's just a mental part of it. 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.520 And and I think that's what they like too. I 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.439 like his football acumen. They think he's got you know, 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.960 intelligence overall raw intelligence and football intelligence as well. They're 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.480 they're pretty high on him, and um, I think he 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.000 I think he got some pretty good grades when the 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:27.960 when the Bengals, uh, you know, I evaluated that tape 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:33.320 that that he put put on put on celluloid there 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.080 for everybody to take a look at. When he was 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.760 down there at Clemson, Jackson Carman played well surgery for 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:42.040 a herniated disc in January. How big of a red 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:45.760 flag is that? Yeah, I guess, I guess you were 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:50.159 recovered pretty darn well pretty quickly. Um, there doesn't seem 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.480 to be any issue with it, but you know, obviously 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:56.800 it's something that you know you're gonna have to monitor, 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.800 and it might have scared some people away. It's possible, 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:03.520 but it doesn't sound like it was a major procedure. 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:07.879 So I think that he passed past the physical that 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:11.919 the league provided, and also my understanding as he passed 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:14.399 the physical that the Bengals doctors took a look at 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:17.960 him all right. When we looked ahead prior to day 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.440 two of the draft, we said, ideally the Bengals would 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.080 take an offensive lineman in round two and a pass 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:26.439 rusher an edge rusher in round three. That's exactly the 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.119 way it played out. With a fifth pick in the 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:32.800 third round, number sixty nine overall, they selected Joseph Osai 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:39.280 of Nigerian descent, an edge rusher from Texas. An athletic freak, 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.240 he is sixty three, two hundred and fifty six pounds, 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:46.320 ran a four six two forty broad jumped nearly eleven 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:49.960 feet at two hundred and fifty six pounds, known for 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:54.240 having a maniacal motor, and this is a good value pick. 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:57.679 He was number forty two on the Athletics consensus board. 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:01.080 Dane Brugler had him at number forty. Even the Bengals 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:03.840 get him at number sixty nine. Yeah, I think they 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:07.400 got excellent value there. He's explosive, he's got length, he's 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:11.000 got position versatility. You know, with that athleticism, he can 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:14.240 drop into space, he can do things at the linebacker position. 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:16.680 But I think what the Bengals want to do is 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:21.879 bring pressure off that edge. To me, what they've lost 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:25.399 in Carl Lawson with that first step quickness and that 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:28.680 explosion they got with this guy. I think this is 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:32.360 a tremendous replacement for Carl Lawson. Of what I can 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:35.360 gather from looking at the numbers, I think he might 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:40.480 have had the fastest ten yards split of any edge rusher. 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:43.919 So this guy now has an unbelievable first step, he 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:47.800 has that short space quickness. The one thing about him, though, 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:50.920 is is you know when you when I watch him, 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:53.959 it's like I think that he needs to be coached 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:58.040 a little bit on his overall pass rush game plan. 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:00.399 You know, I don't think I don't think he's got 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:04.119 multiple moves. I think he just tries to beat people 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:08.280 with the with that sheer physical you know, ability and talent. 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.359 And I think he's got an upside that once he 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:15.520 starts to learn some counter moves. And you know, as 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:20.120 as explosive and twitchy as he is, his hips look 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:22.399 a little stiff, you know. And and his ability to 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:29.080 redirect is uh is not you know, like crazy crazy, 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:31.679 but he's he's a he's a heck of a player. 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:34.160 And the thing about him is, like you talked about, 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:39.119 he finishes. He finished his plays because he's, you know, 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:41.600 a high character guy with a high motor. And you 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:45.600 put those two things together, he refuses to lose, you know, 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:48.080 and and he's gonna he jumps off the tape when 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:51.680 you watch him. Um, and he's he's an effort guy 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.199 in every sense of the word. You know, we we uh, 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:58.280 we marvel at uh Sam Hubbard. You know, he empties 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:01.240 that effort bucket every single snap. I think when you 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:04.680 have these two guys on the edge, Osi and Hubbard, 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:06.879 I mean you're gonna have guys that are just getting 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:10.200 after coming up the football field and getting after people 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:15.000 and relentless in their effort, doggedly determined to finish place. 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:17.720 There's no doubt about it. Trey Hendrickson known for the 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:20.880 same thing. So that gives you three defensive ends who 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:24.359 are known for that type of effort, no question about it. 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:27.120 And uh, you know that's that's a that's a good 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:30.320 little trio. And you have to figure that the three 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:34.520 of them, they'll they'll be they'll be spitting splitting snaps. 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:36.919 You know. It's like you have to look at uh, 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:39.800 look at it. You have to have at least three 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:42.840 edge guys in the national football There's no question about it. 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:48.320 So this is a welcome edition. So Jamar Chase brings 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:53.280 a lot of swagger, a lot of pizzazz, almost Chad 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:57.080 Johnson with a little less look at me, but the 0:22:57.119 --> 0:23:00.359 same confidence level. And now these two guys, based on 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:04.080 our conversations with them after they were selected, are ear 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:07.200 to ear grin kind of guys just you know, thrilled 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:10.320 to be selected by Cincinnati, can't wait to get to work, 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:15.160