1 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,279 Speaker 1: I get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The we can work it out. 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: We can work it out. Addition, as the Bengals address 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: two key areas of need on Day two of the 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: draft by selecting Clemson offensive lineman Jackson Carmen in round 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: two and Texas edge rusher Joseph Osai in round three. 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: Coming up, I'll talk to former Bengals offensive line coach 8 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: Paul Alexander, who helped Jackson Carmen prepare for the draft 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: and told the Bengals that he was worthy of being 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: a first round selection. Then I'll discuss Friday's picks with 11 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: my broadcast partner Dave Lapham and look at some of 12 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: the players still available, particularly in the fourth round where 13 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: the Bengals now have three picks. The Bengals Booth Podcast 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: is presented by Bud Light. Seltzer refreshed the game and 15 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: here's a quick reminder that you can have the latest 16 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: edition of this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: or computer by subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, google Play, Spotify, 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: or pod Bean. It's the greatest thing since fan interest 19 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: in the NFL Draft. TV coverage of Round one was 20 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: seen by an average audience of twelve point six million 21 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: viewers that matched the rating for the most watch game 22 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: of last year's World Series. Let's face it, it's an 23 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: NFL world and we're just living in it. The Bengals 24 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: began Friday night with a sixth pick in round two, 25 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: but traded it to New England, dropping back eight spots 26 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: and picking up two additional fourth round draft picks, so 27 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: instead of picking thirty eighth overall, they chose forty sixth, 28 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: and that meant some anxious moments for Bengals fans every 29 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: time an offensive lineman was selected. Tevin Jenkins went thirty ninth, 30 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: Leah Eichenberg went forty second, and Walker Little went forty fifth, 31 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: one spot before Cincinnati picked. Still, there were some good 32 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: options left, like Samuel Cosmei, Dylan Raidens, and the player 33 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: that Cincinnati ultimately selected, Jackson Carmen, the starting left tackle 34 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: at Clemson for the last two years, who happens to 35 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: be from Fairfield High School, where he was one of 36 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: the nation's top recruits. The twenty one year old is 37 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: six four, three hundred and seventeen pounds and is expected 38 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: to compete for a starting guard spot as a rookie. 39 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: Former Bengals O line coach Paul Alexander helped prepare more 40 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: than twenty offensive lineman for this year's draft, including Carmen. Oh. 41 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: How many times did you work with Jackson? Carmen? Oh? Shoot, 42 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: we wort together ten days, probably starting around mid season 43 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: this year. They had a bye week at Clemson, and 44 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: he came home and I know that title, and the 45 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: coaches over there at Fairfield and so up together, and 46 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: we work kind of a a few things, and then you know, 47 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: and then this whole offseason. So I'm o him pretty well. 48 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,839 Speaker 1: He's terrific. What are his strengths. He's a powerful guy. 49 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: He can knock guys off the ball better than any 50 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: alignment in this draft. In my opinion. He can stop 51 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: the bullrush. But he also has terrific balance and agility 52 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: to pass block. I saw him as a first round pick. 53 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: I know that, Oh No, Kyper and friends probably hit 54 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: him lower, but I guess too bad. I think it 55 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: was legitimate. I think it's a steel. I don't think 56 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: it's a reach. I put him in the steel category. Interesting. 57 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: We're talking to former Bengals online coach Paul Alexander. You 58 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: did a podcast recently with Dave Lapham and said that 59 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: there's not a guy in the draft that knows the 60 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: NFL better than Jackson Carmen. How did that come out 61 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: in your conversations with him, Well, I've spent a lot 62 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: of time and we watched film, and we study rushers 63 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: and we study you know, blockers, and he knows them all. 64 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: You know, it's unbelievable. He knows what you have to 65 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: do to this guy and that guy and the other 66 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: and so he's and that is very important because modeling 67 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: in anything that you're successful with. Typically, if you model 68 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: will and that's your goal and you know about it 69 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: a lot, then you aspire to be great and more 70 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: than any guy in the draft. Like you said, Dan 71 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: and I said it to lap Up and I'll confirm 72 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: it again, more than any guy in the draft. He 73 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: knows the league in terms of playing offensive line right 74 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: now better than anybody. So Jonah Williams is the left tackle. 75 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: They signed Riley Reef to play right tackle. It sounds 76 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: like they're going to give Jackson the opportunity to compete 77 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: for a starting spot at guard, even though he has 78 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: not played guard in a game. Before. How challenging will 79 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: that be? Oh, they'll pick up on it. He's a 80 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: natural football player. He'll learn it, and he has a 81 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: chance to really be a dominant guard. But he can 82 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: certainly play tackle too. It's a heck of the thing 83 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: that when when you got a guy sitting on your roster, 84 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: that if something happens to Jonah or Riley, that the 85 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: bowling and go out there and play tackle and not 86 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: skip a beat. His tackle to guard a relatively easy 87 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: thing to do. It depends on the guy. I think 88 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: it depends on your physical structure. His structure is such 89 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: that he's so powerful and has a good center of 90 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: mass and which is good at guard, that I think 91 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: the transition will be seamless. He's a smart guy and 92 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: he has all the traits to be able to play boats. 93 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: So some guys can't do it well, it's because they're 94 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: built like tackles. Well, this kid's built like a guard, 95 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: built like a tackle, all right. He's kind of that 96 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: guy that's not too high cut or not too short. 97 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: He's kind of like great in the sweet spot of 98 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: which you're looking for in an athlete. He does not 99 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: have particularly long arms. I think I saw thirty two 100 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,799 Speaker 1: and a half inches. Does that make guard his most 101 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: likely spot? Or that's a wrong measurement, Dad, greg you 102 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: brought that up when he was at Clemson for the 103 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: Clemson workout, they measured him at thirty two and a 104 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: half and I got I almost freaked out because I 105 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: measured him at thirty three and a quarter, right, And 106 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: which is you need thirty three for a tackle? Well, 107 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: he had a pro Day on the fifteenth of April 108 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: and they measured him and they measured him at thirty 109 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: three and a quarter, So they had thirty two and 110 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: a half that was floating around. Was a wrong measurement 111 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: and I've got, obviously my measurement, and then a second 112 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: measurement to confirm the same thing happened with Joe Thomas. 113 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: If you remember Joe Thomas and everyone's like, oh, my 114 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: guy can't play. Taco's arms were too short. You know, 115 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: they measured him his junior year and they mismeasured him, 116 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he went to the 117 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: combine and they said, oh, because arms very long enough, 118 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: you can play tackle. Yeah, no, kid, that's really interesting. 119 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: So in his media conference with the Cincinnati Reporters, he 120 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: spoke reverently about Willie Anderson. Apparently he and Willy have 121 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: worked together. Will He's give them a lot of advice 122 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: and guidance. And obviously you have a very close relationship 123 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: with Willie Anderson. Do you see some connections there? I do. 124 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: The two of them have some similar physical traits. You know, 125 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: they both have good, strong lower bodies. You know, they 126 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: are powerful people. And then Willie, well, Willie does a 127 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: lot of work with high school kids and college kids. 128 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: And you know, Jackson was coming out of high school. 129 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: He was a top recruiting the country as an offensive life. 130 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: He's five star. And you know Willie from the different 131 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: camps and so forth and recruiting camps. I don't know 132 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: what they call them now. They used to be under 133 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: our camps, right or nineteen they have those who but 134 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: Willie worked those and ness where you got to meet Jackson, 135 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: and over time they've kept their relationship. And Uh, it's 136 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: really good because really is able to really is great wisdom. 137 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: You know, not only was really a great player, but 138 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: really gets it and uh and he's a special, special 139 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: man and that's uh, he was able to impart some 140 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: of that with Jackson. And I know really recommended him 141 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: to the Bengals highly, you know, and uh, I know 142 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: he had talked to do Covin and gave his recommendation, 143 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: and uh so they're kind of it kind of speaks 144 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: for it. I think I talked to Mike Brown and 145 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: I recommended him. It was when I talked to Mike, 146 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: it was that's the guy he wanted to know about 147 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: practically more than anybody. So the Bengals fad their eye 148 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: on him for quite a while, and so I was answered, 149 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: I kind of figured they were going to pick him. Interesting, 150 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: So when they traded back from thirty eight to forty six, 151 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: did you have it in the back of your head 152 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: that maybe the NFL was and as high on him 153 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: as the Bengals were, and that that was really the 154 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: guy they were targeting. I called Jackson and I told 155 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: him exactly that last thing for Paul Alexander. In addition 156 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: to your expertise when it comes to offensive line play, 157 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: you study performers in all walks of life and what 158 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: it takes to excel. Does he have any traits or 159 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: characteristics that you think will allow him to, you know, 160 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,599 Speaker 1: exceed under the white hot spotlight of competing in the 161 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 1: National Football League. He does. You know the thing I 162 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: mentioned that he knows the league? All right, so that's great. 163 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: He's ultra competitive, all right. I was down. I was 164 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: down working with him and working with a guy who's 165 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: plays an NFL left tackle, highly regarded NFL left tack 166 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: where we're doing some work about a month ago, and jactually, 167 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: I guess he's trying to make the guy look really bad. 168 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: You know. Really, he's ultra competitive. You know, he's like, 169 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: this guy is a good game guy, but I'm better 170 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: than him. So he is a very high opinion of himself, 171 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: and not in a naive way, in a way that 172 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: I think will help propel him to be great. Paul, 173 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: I always appreciate the opportunity to pick your brain. Thanks 174 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: for the information about Jackson. The Bengals Booth podcast is 175 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: presented by Bud Light Seltzer. It's light and refreshing with 176 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: a hint of fruit flavor. After going O line in 177 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: round two, the Bengals went D line in round three 178 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: with a selection of edge rusher Joseph Osai from Texas. 179 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: He had sixteen tackles for loss, five sacks, and forced 180 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: three fumbles in only nine games last season. Now time 181 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: to recap Day two and look ahead to Day three 182 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: with my broadcast partner Dave Lapham. I had the thirty 183 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: eighth pick. They elected to make a deal with the 184 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: New England Patriots, dropping back to forty six. They picked 185 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: up two fourth round picks for trading down. They wind 186 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: up with the seventeenth pick in the fourth round that 187 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: originally belonged to Arizona. They also get the thirty fourth 188 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: pick in the fourth round. That's a compensatory pick. If 189 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: you look at the old trade value chart, the thirty 190 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: eighth pick in the draft is worth five hundred twenty points. 191 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: If you add up the three picks that the Bengals 192 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: got an exchange, it's five hundred and twenty six point five. 193 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: So it's basically an even swap in terms of points. 194 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: But the Bengals wind up with a couple of extra 195 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: fourth rounders. Yeah, and I think when you look at it, Dan, 196 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: that's kind of the the sweet spot of the draft. 197 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: You know where people are thinking, particularly you know, some 198 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: offensive lineman. There's enough depth there on the offensive line 199 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: where you can do some damage, you know, in the 200 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 1: in the fourth round, those middle rounds and even into 201 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: the fifth round. You know, people are still feeling pretty 202 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: good about offensive lineman and and I think the Bengals 203 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: that it was a good, good decision. I think it 204 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,839 Speaker 1: was a smart move on their part. They felt good 205 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: about who they picked, and they got an extra, you know, 206 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: a couple of fourth round picks, and so doing you know, 207 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: you get one hundred and twenty second pick, one hundred 208 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: and thirty ninth pick of the draft. That's pretty strong. 209 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: It's pretty strong. So let's go back to the third 210 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: round or to the second round rather and pick number 211 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 1: thirty eight. Because when we did our podcast after round one, 212 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: we talked about some of the offensive linemen that were 213 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: still available, and the number one guy on the list 214 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: was Tevin Jenkins. As it turned out, he was still 215 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: there at number thirty eight. The only offensive lineman that 216 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:39,119 Speaker 1: could picked before that in the second round was Landon Dickerson, 217 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: who went thirty seventh to the Eagles. So had the 218 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: Bengals stayed at thirty eight, they could have had Tevin Jenkins, 219 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: they could have had Liam Eichenberg, they could have had 220 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: Walker Little. Those guys were taken between thirty eight and 221 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: when they did eventually get to pick at number forty six, yeah. 222 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,599 Speaker 1: I think they had had an idea that there was 223 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: going to be a run there of those guys and 224 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: it and it panned out that way. But they had 225 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: their guy identified, and of course the great mel Kiper, 226 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: who hasn't played a snap of football, said that, oh, 227 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: that's ridiculous. Jackson Carmen, I had, you know, third fourth round, uh, 228 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: you know and the third round, fourth round. Um, so whatever, 229 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: I mean, there's gonna All I can say is that 230 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: there are a lot of NFL teams that when I 231 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: was talking to him and I said, what do you 232 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: guys think of Jackson Carmen? Do you think he'll be 233 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: there at thirty eight? I don't know. I don't know 234 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: if he'll be there at thirty eight. He might, you 235 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: can cross your fingers and hope, hope and pray. So 236 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: there's a big disparity of you know, where you have 237 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: guys slotted and evaluated, as always, particularly between the draft 238 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: gurus you know, and the coaches and the and the 239 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: scouts and the people that you know are actually gonna 240 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: make the pick and then coach the players. So um, 241 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 1: there's always always some big differences in the way people 242 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: look at players. And how about Jackson Carmen, though, Dame 243 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: you talked about coming full circle playing up at Fairfield, 244 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: Ohio five star recruit, finalists for the Anthony Munio's Award 245 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: as the best lineman in the area. You know, highly 246 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: acclaimed offensive lineman, basically one of the top two recruits 247 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio. Basically everybody thought he was 248 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: going to go to Ohio State, and he duped everybody 249 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: and went to went to Clemson. And now he's gonna 250 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: come full circle after starting such in a spectacular fashion 251 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: of Fairfield and going down to Clemson and proving himself 252 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: worthy at the in the offensive line and getting drafted 253 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: by the hometown team and coming back home to play 254 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: a professional career. That's a that's a pretty good story. 255 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: That's a that's something that you have to see it 256 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: to believe it. I guess two people that Mike Brown 257 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: really respects when it comes to offensive line play sang 258 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: Jackson Carmen's praises, Willie Anderson and Paul Alexander, who is 259 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: a member of the coaching staff for a long time. 260 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: When those two guys tell the Bengals that they think 261 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: that Jackson Carmen is going to be an excellent NFL 262 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: offensive lineman. The Bengals are listening, There's no doubt about it. 263 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I think that they both they 264 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: both understand the athleticism that the big guy has. I mean, 265 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: he is light on his feet, he can get up 266 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: on his toes when he needs too, He's got tremendous balance, 267 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: He's extremely athletic, and he's got he's got a tremendous 268 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: skill set. And both, obviously Willie and Paul Alexander teach 269 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: the same sort of techniques and they have the same 270 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: evaluation of them. And they were very, very high on 271 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: him and feel like he's going to be able to 272 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: play well for a very long time in the National 273 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: Football League. Initially sounds like he's going to be inside 274 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: at the guard position, but doesn't mean that he wouldn't 275 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: necessarily slide out and see how he could play at 276 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: the tackle. Spody played left tackle down there at Clemson 277 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: and played it well. I think that watching a little 278 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: bit of their their tape that was interesting though. We 279 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: had their offensive line pickup stunts and tried to man 280 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: block everything and kind of put him behind the eight 281 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: ball in a few type in a few instances that 282 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't due to his lack of proficiency physically and athletically. 283 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: It was just a, I think, a tough thing to 284 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: try to execute. But I think he's he's a really 285 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: really good football player. And two guys that I have 286 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: a lot of trust in their evaluation as well, and 287 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: people that they know around the league and people they 288 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: talked to, the Sims boys filling Chris Simms, both had 289 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: very strong opinions that he was going to be a 290 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: high pick, and everybody's right. It turned out that he 291 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: was a higher pick than people some people may have thought, 292 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: like mel Kiper. So he is expected to compete for 293 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: a starting spot at guard. You asked him the question 294 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: you ever played guard before? He said, no, I've practiced 295 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: it guard, I've never played it in a game. You 296 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: can speak to this because you played all five positions 297 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: in a game at the NFL level. How difficult is 298 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: that transition going to be at the highest level of football. Yeah, 299 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: it's it's interesting. Um. The biggest the biggest difference is 300 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: when you go from the from the outside inside, things 301 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: are faster. Things happen in a much faster, faster pace. Uh, 302 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: there's there's you have to make quicker decisions. Your your 303 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: brain has to process things a little bit quicker. You'll 304 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: have twists inside with linebackers and down linemen that you 305 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: don't necessarily experience on the outside when you're past protecting 306 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: against the defense. Ven usually it's you got the defensive end. 307 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: You have the defensive end almost every single repetition. So 308 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a little bit uh, a little bit 309 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: like being on the Autobahn in terms of speed on 310 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: that interior. So it's more of a mental adjustment, I 311 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: think than a physical adjustment. I don't think he'll have 312 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: any any real big physical adjustment at all. I mean, 313 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 1: he's a he's a specimen, and he does have great 314 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: athletic ability, but it's just a mental part of it. 315 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: And and I think that's what they like too. I 316 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: like his football acumen. They think he's got you know, 317 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: intelligence overall raw intelligence and football intelligence as well. They're 318 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: they're pretty high on him, and um, I think he 319 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: I think he got some pretty good grades when the 320 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: when the Bengals, uh, you know, I evaluated that tape 321 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: that that he put put on put on celluloid there 322 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: for everybody to take a look at. When he was 323 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: down there at Clemson, Jackson Carman played well surgery for 324 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: a herniated disc in January. How big of a red 325 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: flag is that? Yeah, I guess, I guess you were 326 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: recovered pretty darn well pretty quickly. Um, there doesn't seem 327 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: to be any issue with it, but you know, obviously 328 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: it's something that you know you're gonna have to monitor, 329 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: and it might have scared some people away. It's possible, 330 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: but it doesn't sound like it was a major procedure. 331 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: So I think that he passed past the physical that 332 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: the league provided, and also my understanding as he passed 333 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: the physical that the Bengals doctors took a look at 334 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: him all right. When we looked ahead prior to day 335 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: two of the draft, we said, ideally the Bengals would 336 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: take an offensive lineman in round two and a pass 337 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: rusher an edge rusher in round three. That's exactly the 338 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: way it played out. With a fifth pick in the 339 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: third round, number sixty nine overall, they selected Joseph Osai 340 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: of Nigerian descent, an edge rusher from Texas. An athletic freak, 341 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: he is sixty three, two hundred and fifty six pounds, 342 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: ran a four six two forty broad jumped nearly eleven 343 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: feet at two hundred and fifty six pounds, known for 344 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: having a maniacal motor, and this is a good value pick. 345 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: He was number forty two on the Athletics consensus board. 346 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: Dane Brugler had him at number forty. Even the Bengals 347 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: get him at number sixty nine. Yeah, I think they 348 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: got excellent value there. He's explosive, he's got length, he's 349 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: got position versatility. You know, with that athleticism, he can 350 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: drop into space, he can do things at the linebacker position. 351 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 1: But I think what the Bengals want to do is 352 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: bring pressure off that edge. To me, what they've lost 353 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: in Carl Lawson with that first step quickness and that 354 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: explosion they got with this guy. I think this is 355 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 1: a tremendous replacement for Carl Lawson. Of what I can 356 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: gather from looking at the numbers, I think he might 357 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: have had the fastest ten yards split of any edge rusher. 358 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 1: So this guy now has an unbelievable first step, he 359 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: has that short space quickness. The one thing about him, though, 360 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: is is you know when you when I watch him, 361 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,959 Speaker 1: it's like I think that he needs to be coached 362 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: a little bit on his overall pass rush game plan. 363 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: You know, I don't think I don't think he's got 364 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: multiple moves. I think he just tries to beat people 365 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: with the with that sheer physical you know, ability and talent. 366 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: And I think he's got an upside that once he 367 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: starts to learn some counter moves. And you know, as 368 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: as explosive and twitchy as he is, his hips look 369 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: a little stiff, you know. And and his ability to 370 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: redirect is uh is not you know, like crazy crazy, 371 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: but he's he's a he's a heck of a player. 372 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: And the thing about him is, like you talked about, 373 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: he finishes. He finished his plays because he's, you know, 374 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: a high character guy with a high motor. And you 375 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: put those two things together, he refuses to lose, you know, 376 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: and and he's gonna he jumps off the tape when 377 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: you watch him. Um, and he's he's an effort guy 378 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: in every sense of the word. You know, we we uh, 379 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: we marvel at uh Sam Hubbard. You know, he empties 380 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: that effort bucket every single snap. I think when you 381 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: have these two guys on the edge, Osi and Hubbard, 382 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: I mean you're gonna have guys that are just getting 383 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: after coming up the football field and getting after people 384 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: and relentless in their effort, doggedly determined to finish place. 385 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. Trey Hendrickson known for the 386 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: same thing. So that gives you three defensive ends who 387 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: are known for that type of effort, no question about it. 388 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: And uh, you know that's that's a that's a good 389 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: little trio. And you have to figure that the three 390 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: of them, they'll they'll be they'll be spitting splitting snaps. 391 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: You know. It's like you have to look at uh, 392 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: look at it. You have to have at least three 393 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: edge guys in the national football There's no question about it. 394 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: So this is a welcome edition. So Jamar Chase brings 395 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: a lot of swagger, a lot of pizzazz, almost Chad 396 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: Johnson with a little less look at me, but the 397 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: same confidence level. And now these two guys, based on 398 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: our conversations with them after they were selected, are ear 399 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: to ear grin kind of guys just you know, thrilled 400 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: to be selected by Cincinnati, can't wait to get to work, 401 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: just oozing with enthusiasm and charisma. Those are the kinds 402 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: of guys you like to bring into the building. I 403 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: agree with you, Dan, I think that that both of 404 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: them have a have a pleasing swagger. You know. It's 405 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: like I think they're they're they both know they're good 406 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: and and they're proud of it. But I don't think 407 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: it's like to me, there's a there's a difference between 408 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: cockiness and confidence, you know. And uh, I think they 409 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: I think they realize that that they're gifted, and there's 410 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. But I think they keep it 411 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: in enough perspective. And there's nothing wrong with feeling like 412 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: you can get a job done, and you can get 413 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: job done better than almost anybody. There's nothing wrong with that. 414 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: Um My mother used to tell me, you know, you 415 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: don't don't think you can't do anything. You can do 416 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: anything you want to do. You just don't have to 417 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: tell everybody about it all the time. All right, Let's 418 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: look ahead to Day three, the third and final day 419 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: of the draft, and the Bengals are going to be busy. 420 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: They have seven picks on Day three, three in the 421 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: fourth round, beginning with a sixth pick, just their own 422 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: pick in the fifth round, number five in that round, 423 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: two picks in the sixth round, their own and then 424 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: the eighteenth pick, and then finally the seventh pick in 425 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: the seventh round. With about twenty picks to go in 426 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: the third, I had a big list of guys that 427 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: were still available, and I'm thinking to myself, this is unbelievable. 428 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: There's so many great players still on the board. And 429 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: then then the run began. So guards started going rapidly. 430 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: Why had Davis, Kendrick Greene, Ben Cleveland, Robert Hainsey. Then 431 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: there was a run on cornerbacks Elijah Molden, Ifiah two, Melon, 432 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: Fon wu Ambree, Thomas, Brandon Stevens. So if you were 433 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: looking for a guard or for a cornerback, sure there's 434 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: still plenty left. But some of the guys that I 435 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: really was excited about I just got scratched off the 436 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: list late in the third round. Yeah. And during the 437 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: course of that third round, in the late Quinn Miners, uh, 438 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 1: the kid from Wisconsin, Whitewater. I was intrigued by that kid. 439 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: He went very late to buff the Buffalo Bills. No, 440 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: Spencer Brown went to the Buffalo Bills. I can't remember 441 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: who Miners went to, but he went to the Broncos. Yeah, 442 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: the Broncos. That's what it was the Spencer Brown went 443 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 1: to went to Buffalo. Um. Yeah, so it was it 444 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: was unfortunate that some of these guys started, uh started 445 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: falling by the wayside. But I still think there's to me, 446 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: there's some intrigue with a couple of local guys you're 447 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: talking about, you know, uh, somebody that played at Fairfield 448 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: High School that you that you you draft in the 449 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: second round, Jackson Carmen. What would be wrong with just 450 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: going down the road to you see and taking a 451 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: look at James Hudson. You know, maybe uh, maybe with 452 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,479 Speaker 1: one of those fourth round picks, or you know, go up, 453 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: go up the road a little bit to miamb of 454 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: Ohio in Oxford and Tommy Doyle uh and a tackle 455 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: that uh that that is still on the board. Dante 456 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: Smith from East Carolina is uh is still out there 457 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: round from Alabama depending on what he had in Uh, 458 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: he's probably a little depressed if he if he what 459 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: he ate tonight, he might be three hundred and fifty 460 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: plus pounds tomorrow morning. But that's his problem. He's got 461 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: to control that weight. But I wonder, you know, he's 462 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: he's he's on the board that his his movements leaves 463 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: a lot to be desired, There's no question about that, Dan. 464 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: But yeah, there are some there's some interesting guys. There's 465 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: a road breader from Grambling and this guy's like, you know, 466 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: not fourth round, but he might be later if they 467 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: want to take another fly David Moore from Grambling. Yeah, 468 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: and he's less than six two, but man, he is 469 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: h he's a you know, and you know, on the edge. 470 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: There's a still a couple of options out there. Weaver 471 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,959 Speaker 1: from Pittsburgh still out there, Cameron Sample from two Lane's 472 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: still out there. So I think that they can still 473 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: go with the best available player on their board. But 474 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: there's still pretty good players out there where they could 475 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: still address the position and need you know, defensively the 476 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: defensive tackle, defensive end, maybe cornerback, you know, offensively, if 477 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: they could still address the offensive line, the interior or 478 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: the offensive line or tackle. If one of these guys, 479 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,479 Speaker 1: you know, makes it, makes it to where they are 480 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: in the fourth round that we talked about, I think 481 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: they still have some options. I mean there's cornerbacks out there. 482 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: Sean Wade's out there from Ohio State, Tray Smith is 483 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: out there, a guard from Tennessee, Chris Rump outside linebacker 484 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: from Duke. He's got some value where we're talking about 485 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: in the draft. There's there's still players out there. Dan. 486 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: That's why I think it was such a good Dave 487 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: and Dixon defensive tack from I was a pretty solid player. 488 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: I think picking up these extra picks that they got, 489 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: they're gonna be able to, you know, just double down 490 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: on some position groups and make the football team better overall. 491 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: I don't see anything wrong with what they did. The 492 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: Brown from Alabama that you mentioned is Deonte Brown. He 493 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: was something like three hundred and sixty pounds I think 494 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, and then he got down to 495 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: three forty four. According to Dane Brugler, he was like 496 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: a second round, third round type grade, but again you 497 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: wonder if he'll ever be able to control his weight 498 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: at the NFL level. You mentioned Trey Smith, the guard 499 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: from Tennessee. He's got a third round grade on the 500 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: Dane Brugler board, but he's got blood plots in his lungs, 501 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: which is probably a reason why he is still available. 502 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: Stone forsythe is still out there, a tackle from Florida. 503 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: He had a third round grade. You mentioned James Hutter 504 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: from you see, third round grade according to Dane Brogler. 505 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: Tommy Doyle from Miami, fourth round grade. So that's appropriate 506 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: for where the Bengals. So we'll have their three picks 507 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: in the fourth round. I'll throw a couple of other 508 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: names out there. Tommy Togi, big defensive lineman from Ohio State. 509 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: He had a third fourth round type grade from Dane Brugler. 510 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: He's still out there. And then a guy that I 511 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: mentioned several podcasts to go running back, Kenneth Gainwell from Memphis, 512 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: still on the board in between a second and third 513 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: round grade from Dane Brugler. I saw him a couple 514 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: of years ago. You see, couldn't stop him either in 515 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: the passing game or the running game. He opted out 516 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: last year when he was expected to be the preseason 517 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: offensive player of the Year in the conference. So if 518 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: they want to go running back with one of those 519 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: fourth round picks and Kenneth Gainwell is still on the board, 520 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: I think that'd be a great selection. Yeah, I mean, 521 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: I think you might be like a four man's Travis 522 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: Etn you know, I mean, it's the guy. The guy 523 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: is the guy who can handle things in both phases 524 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: running the football as well as catching the football and 525 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: helping the quarterback. Just a note that was interesting. Dan, 526 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence, and Travis Etan played obviously together at Clemson, 527 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: and Etan is like, he's going to be not just 528 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: a running back. I think they're gonna he's gonna be 529 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: a hybrid type guy. I think he's gonna they'll use 530 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: him as a receiver as much as they do a 531 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: running back. But helped the quarterback with a guy that 532 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: he had established chemistry with in his college days. Joe 533 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: Burrow and Jamar Chase. Same thing, Ta with Waddle, same 534 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: thing Hurts when he was at Alabama with Smith the 535 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy winner. Same thing. Four different instances of young 536 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: quarterbacks being basically handed weapons that they had success with 537 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: success with at the collegiate level to try to help 538 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: give a little jump start to their development in the 539 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: now Football League. I thought that was kind of a 540 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: little interesting trend that went on during the course of 541 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: yesterday's action. At the end of the draft, the Bengals 542 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: are always looking for guys that could potentially contribute on 543 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: special teams right away. There are two UC Bearcats safeties, 544 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: James Wiggins and Derek Forrest, that could be excellent special 545 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: teams players. The Bengals are obviously set at safety, but 546 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: at the bottom of the roster, those guys could help 547 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: in special teams. And then I will throw one more 548 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: name out there as a late pick, because the Bengals 549 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: always take at least one Ohio State guy, right and 550 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: if they don't, if they don't take Tommy Togi, then 551 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: how about Justin Hilliard, the former Saint Xavier High school 552 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: player captain for the Buckeyes linebacker. I could see him 553 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: as a sixth or seventh round pick. Yeah, that's a 554 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: there's a good call right there. That's nothing wrong with 555 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: Darren Simmons. And I think with all the picks that 556 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: they've got yes coming up tomorrow, he'll have a definite 557 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: say on special teams, will have an impact on where 558 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: they're drafted, and if they're drafted by the Cincinnati Bengals, 559 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: particularly down the stretch drive there seven seven picks left. 560 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: That's that's pretty interesting. A very busy Saturday. It's sure 561 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: he is, there's no doubt about that. I was just 562 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: looking at how offensive line play. You know, people are like, 563 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: oh geez, you got a draft guys high. You know 564 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: you can't pass on a guy in the first round. 565 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: You can't pass on this guy. You can't pass on 566 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: that guy. You can't move back and take guys in 567 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: later rounds. Let's let's just think about the nineteen eighty 568 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: eight Super Bowl offensive line Anthony Winos. Of course, very 569 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: high draft pick warranted Hall of Famer eleven consecutive Pro Bowls. 570 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: But other than that hit. The left guard Bruce Rhymers, 571 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: eighth rounder, two hundred and fourth pick of the draft, 572 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: was developed by Jim McNally, the legendary offensive line coach 573 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: went on to have a ten year career. Center was 574 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: Bruce Kazerski, ninth round, two hundred and thirty, first pick 575 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: of his draft out of Holy Cross, went on to 576 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: enjoy a twelve year career. Right Guard Max Montoya seventh 577 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: rounder out of UCLA, one hundred and sixty eighth pick 578 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: of the draft, sixteen year NFL career. Joe Walter seventh 579 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: round pick out of Texas Tech, one hundred and eighty 580 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: first pick in the draft, twelve year NFL career. Come on, man, 581 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: what's wrong with developing, you know, drafting a lot of 582 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: these guys. The Rhymers Kazerski would not have been drafted. 583 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: Montoya and Joe Walter would have been drafted in the 584 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: last round in the seventh round. Jim McNally did a 585 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: hell of a job of not only drafting and targeting, 586 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: you know, some traits, but then developing them so you 587 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: don't have to have first round draft picks across the 588 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: board of your offensive Line's just take a look at 589 00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight and reflect back on. Got some guys 590 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: and they filled some some positions that offensive line very 591 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 1: very well, to say the least. That is some good stuff. 592 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: And I think we will end it on that note. 593 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: I will have my celebratory beer as I put this 594 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: together for the second night in a row, and you 595 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: can catch some sleep. I'm into that already, Dad. I 596 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: think I think I was half asleep as we did. 597 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 1: That sounded that way, I truly apologize. Sounded great as always. 598 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: Talk to you tomorrow. Thanks, all right, have a great one. 599 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: Don't wrap up the draft with another edition of this 600 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: podcast on Saturday. 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