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Speaker 1: The San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGuinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 1: Why did you do it? I did it because I

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Speaker 1: was foolish.

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Speaker 2: Listen to how to Bribe a Judge on Revolver podcast

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Speaker 3: The John Annick and Kenny Florian Podcastle's Guy, John Annick,

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Speaker 3: Kenny Florian, My God, here are your hosts, John Annick

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Speaker 3: and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 1: Hi Alaiah Aliyah, gonna be with you Monday, February twenty six,

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. All show in a Boston accent Today. I

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Speaker 1: hope that's okay. Should be a spirited show today, Episode

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Speaker 1: one five of the Anak and Florian Podcast. And Josh

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Speaker 1: Emmitt's just lucky that it was Jeremy Stevens throwing those

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Speaker 1: elbows and not Kenny Florian, because we'd be talking about,

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Speaker 1: you know, some life altering skies. Multiple lacerations, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: multiple lacerations for sure, and then probably it'll rear naked

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Speaker 1: for good measure. We're gonna get into Josh Emm and

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Stevens. You can be sure we're going to get

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Speaker 1: to it in a couple of minutes. But we got

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Speaker 1: to check in on the new dad. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: the listeners care about the rosy stuff, Kenny so, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I care more about what, like, what's the

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Speaker 1: worst part of being a dad thus far? You're a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks in. Tell the listeners what you don't like.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, they want reality. I'll give them reality. How

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Speaker 4: about explosions in the car? You know, just explosions through

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Speaker 4: good diaper, you're in trouble.

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Speaker 1: You're in trouble.

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Speaker 4: Get Yeah, it can get messy really really quickly. So

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Speaker 4: we've had a few emergencies, but that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's it. I love, Yeah, I love. Being a dad

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Speaker 1: is awesome. It's so much fun. I mean, don't don't

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Speaker 1: buy a Porsche and when the kid shits up, the

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Speaker 1: U a outcoor nobody cares, you know, exactly, but you

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Speaker 1: can lease it not. You know that is true, right,

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Speaker 1: you always it honey, she got it all over the

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Speaker 1: Chevy Equinox. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Ken Fell late again today,

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Speaker 1: I know, I know that's all right. Though, again, though

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Speaker 1: we take it's live to tape, we do hope there

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Speaker 1: is a time in the not too distant future when

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Speaker 1: this show is not just on TV as it sort

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Speaker 1: of is right now with the video and everything that

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Speaker 1: everyone in Fox Sports has done for this fine program.

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Speaker 1: But to do this thing not just live to tape,

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Speaker 1: but to do it live, to potentially take listener calls,

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Speaker 1: and uh to really have this thing be be simulcast

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Speaker 1: and a big deal. I mean, that was the goal

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Speaker 1: from day one, and uh man, we're just one step

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Speaker 1: at a time. We're trying to get there. Uh So,

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Speaker 1: a great night of fights in Orlando, and hopefully that

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Speaker 1: won't be at the controversy at the end of the

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Speaker 1: main event. One of the better night of fights I

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Speaker 1: can remember in recent memory. We're going to recap the

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Speaker 1: hell out of it. Also, Ken Flow's got picks for

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Speaker 1: you on UFC two twenty two, making the Guy make

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Speaker 1: eight picks on Monday is just cold hearted. As I said,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't come to me for fun. And to that end,

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Speaker 1: let's get to headlines.

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Speaker 3: Headlines.

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Speaker 5: It's time for headlines.

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Speaker 3: I have some very urgent and important breaking news headlines

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Speaker 3: and Kenny sans podcast flow.

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Speaker 1: I'm drinking diet coke right now to a little Asperta

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Speaker 1: in the morning. So sorry to disappoint. I appreciate your honesty.

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Speaker 1: Just letting you know I last pertame fixed in the

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Speaker 1: morning doesn't hurt anyone. No, it's fine.

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Speaker 4: Well we'll have just another couple of years of the

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Speaker 4: podcast and we'll just have a massive heart attack.

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Speaker 1: Oh I know, I don't. We'll do it from the

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Speaker 1: hospital room though. We'll get it. Come. Yeah, so it's

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Speaker 1: true too, I gotta stop so uh so. Jeremy Stevens

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Speaker 1: Great performance by Stevens, in my opinion, he understood that

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Speaker 4: Yes, he did, and he's again proven to the UFC

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Speaker 4: He just got knocked down. He said, no, he's playing

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Speaker 1: And I think Josh Emmett is gonna recover well from

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Speaker 1: who would be the first to tell you this was

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Speaker 1: not a perfect night for him. Forget about the elbows

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Speaker 1: the knee did graze when Jeremy was sort of retreating

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Speaker 4: You can't see if it graysed, if it actually made

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Speaker 1: Emtt's knees were on the mat. One knee was down,

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter if one hand, two hands, if one

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Speaker 4: and that's a downfighter that you cannot knee. Here's the problem.

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Speaker 4: But you know, for Jeremy, maybe he misunderstood the rule.

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Speaker 4: it was illegal. If it landed, it doesn't matter how

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Speaker 4: I mean, the left hook was way more devastating than knee.

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Speaker 4: those elbows that he followed up with those were even

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Speaker 4: more brutal than anything. So I don't think the knee

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Speaker 1: Was it illegal? Though?

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Speaker 4: Yes, Murgliotta, great guy, friendly guy, Like a lot of

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Speaker 4: these referees are he made a mistake.

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Speaker 1: He did make a mistake.

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Speaker 4: Again, is it one of those things where, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 4: they really need to run this back? But I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it really would have made that much

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Speaker 4: It's just it's just that damn power of Jeremy Stevens.

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Speaker 1: So as far as the knee is concerned, and Dan

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Speaker 1: Murgliotta's decision to not pause the action, he seemed to

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Speaker 1: be in a good position Kenny to see it. One

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Speaker 1: and I tried pretty hard, But a lot of these

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Speaker 1: referees they don't want to go on the record for sure,

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Speaker 1: and some of them don't even want to get back

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Speaker 1: to you off the record, or can't we camp because

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Speaker 1: of the commission in all exactly right, So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: But I was under the impression Kenny that even if

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Speaker 4: I don't know how referees are supposed to do things,

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Speaker 4: It seemed he was way out of position, had to

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Speaker 1: it to be an illegal strike? I think most fans

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Speaker 1: I believe that if you're throwing an illegal strike, throwing

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Speaker 4: it did land a little bit. Was it the kind

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Speaker 4: went in and stopped the action. Do you think, Steve,

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Speaker 4: to that knee. And as far as the elbows, you know,

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Speaker 4: there was controversy over that. You know, were those to

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Speaker 4: if you're throwing a shot. If I'm throwing a punch

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Speaker 4: what I mean. So Emmett was trying to move. He

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Speaker 4: was trying to scramble. You know, Steven's just throwing those elbows.

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Speaker 4: I don't think those were you know, he was trying

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Speaker 4: If I'm throwing it at your face and it happens

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Speaker 1: Sorry. Yeah, we are in agreement on the elbows. We

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Speaker 1: that long ago. As many of you know, Diego reach

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Speaker 1: So let's bring Ray Longo into this conversation. The Great

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Very good, very good. Yeah, I'm gonna disagree a little bit. Look,

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Speaker 7: I'm agreeing with ninety percent of the stuff. Very tough

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Speaker 7: if you're gonna error on the side of caution, you

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Speaker 7: If you're there, there's an agreement between Josh Emmon and

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Speaker 7: the ref that that guy is there to protect him, and.

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Speaker 8: That's really the issue.

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Speaker 7: He has no nothing to do with who won the

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Speaker 7: And I'm saying not really. And you know, like again

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Speaker 7: I'm a little biased because I went through with Wideman

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Speaker 7: that again. You know, like that was a mess. That took,

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Speaker 8: I'm not saying it's easy, but.

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Speaker 7: I think somebody could have got seriously injured with that,

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Speaker 8: That that's the difference. Either way, it might not be good.

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Speaker 7: And that's why I said I like to take out

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Speaker 7: obviously I'm leaning towards that. It's that type of situation

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I I saw that as you know, that was going

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Speaker 8: I hit you, I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I run a red light, nobody sees it. You know,

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Speaker 7: it's only illegal if the COUP pulls me over. Really

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Speaker 7: is that it the intent of doing it? We had

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm saying, listen, right, you know, you make

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Speaker 4: what else is not easy?

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Speaker 4: Fighting isn't easy either, And for a referee, it's way

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Speaker 4: I agree with you. You know what I mean. It's like

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Speaker 1: There to protect the fighters. You're you're one hundred percent.

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Speaker 8: That's really the bottom line.

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Speaker 7: It's not even like again, I'm not looking to get

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Speaker 7: Look, I was worried for that guy's safety, and I

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Speaker 8: Dude, the guy's on old fours, right, you know what

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Speaker 4: What's the solution here? Would you like to see these

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Speaker 8: You know, rematch A no rematch?

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Speaker 7: Man, he took some blows that probably could have been prevented.

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Speaker 7: If that, you know, he would have got worn for

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Speaker 7: Everybody's got to be on board with the same rules,

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Speaker 1: And imagine, you know, and you've got through this process

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Speaker 4: You know, Chuck Mindenhall had a great article on this

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Speaker 1: It's just not gonna happen.

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Speaker 7: The only way these reps are gonna get in trouble

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Speaker 8: That's it. Outside of that, they're remune. They're remune to everything.

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Speaker 7: Do something, go be proactive, suspend somebody, take away some money,

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Speaker 8: There's nothing being done. Nothing.

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Speaker 7: And again that was a cluster fuck with Chris, and

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Speaker 7: I could see Dan not want to even be involved.

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Speaker 7: been that would have taken a really talented eye to

433
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Speaker 7: step in there.

434
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Speaker 8: So I don't know.

435
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Speaker 7: I feel for everybody, even even Dan. I mean, that's

436
00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,000
Speaker 7: not an easy place to be. But if I'm Dan,

437
00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,280
Speaker 7: I'd rather make a mistake and at least go back

438
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Speaker 7: on look I'm there, protect the guy, and just.

439
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,760
Speaker 1: To hop in one more time. Sorry John.

440
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 9: Well.

441
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Speaker 4: One other thing ray as well is that you know

442
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 4: emmittt got out of there, he has a broken orbital bone.

443
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Speaker 4: I think maybe in two or three places I think

444
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,639
Speaker 4: I heard. So those are the kind of injuries where

445
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 4: that could affect you.

446
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,640
Speaker 1: If the orbital bone is broken.

447
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,000
Speaker 4: Enough that he could never fight again, I'm not saying that.

448
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,439
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know any about oh exactly could Well.

449
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 8: That's why I say rematch and no rematch. The damage

450
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 8: is done.

451
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,240
Speaker 7: I would have rather had a controversy, let him do

452
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 7: it over again, that same thing with Widman. Just blow

453
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Speaker 7: him do it over again. Obviously everybody doesn't know what

454
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,640
Speaker 7: the hell's going on. You know, that would have been

455
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,159
Speaker 7: a fair thing to do. But now Eman, you know,

456
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,119
Speaker 7: maybe that last elbow is what practice orbital and that

457
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 7: should have been prevented if the guy got the warning

458
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Speaker 7: for the knee, at least a warning. They don't have

459
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:48,679
Speaker 7: to make a big deal out of it, but you

460
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 7: got to address it. You can't just stand there looking

461
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Speaker 7: at it and do nothing about it.

462
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Speaker 1: And it's really not my intention to lose sight of

463
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Speaker 1: the safety part of this, because, as Kenny well known,

464
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Speaker 1: I have always been someone who has wanted them to

465
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Speaker 1: stop fights early. You know, Josh Rosenthal was universally praised

466
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Speaker 1: as a referee because I think he'd let fights go late,

467
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Speaker 1: and I was always on the side of premature stoppages.

468
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Speaker 1: I guess I'm just trying to think of solutions and

469
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Speaker 1: how we can make it easier for referees, for fighters,

470
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Speaker 1: for broadcasters, because it is chaos right now. And that's

471
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Speaker 1: why I've been suggested for the first time ever as

472
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Speaker 1: an MMA fan that maybe needes to the head of

473
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Speaker 1: a grounded opponent that I would actually if I got

474
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Speaker 1: a vote and it was up for vote for the

475
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Speaker 1: first time in my life, I would actually vote for it.

476
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 1: And Greg Savage wrote on Twitter it would be the

477
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Speaker 1: single best thing that happened to The rule set would

478
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Speaker 1: stop a ton of stalling in the sport. And take

479
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Speaker 1: out a lot of ambiguity for referees. Now, I know

480
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Speaker 1: both you guys are going to say it probably would

481
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Speaker 1: not be good because it's not at all safe for

482
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Speaker 1: the fighters. But I mean, ray, if you're getting neat

483
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Speaker 1: on the head, right, I mean, like, aren't you putting

484
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Speaker 1: yourself in a bad spot to begin with? Is there

485
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Speaker 1: any merit to in trying to help clarify this to

486
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Speaker 1: actually have knees to the head of a grounded opponent

487
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Speaker 1: be legal.

488
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Speaker 7: Well, I don't want to speak for Josh s Gros,

489
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Speaker 7: but I think he's the point in that whole thing

490
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 7: was ambiguity. That's what's causing the problems. His thing is,

491
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Speaker 7: you know there's needs to ahead, then you take that

492
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 7: part out of the referee, you know what I mean. Like,

493
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 7: but if you think there's a rule and the ref

494
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 7: is there to stop it, then that that's where the

495
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 7: ambiguity comes in.

496
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Speaker 8: They don't know, you know.

497
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Speaker 7: So I think his point is like, if you made

498
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Speaker 7: neees to the head legal, then the other guy would

499
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Speaker 7: know exactly what to do. He'd bail out, or he'd

500
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 7: go with to some other defense or whatever it's gonna be.

501
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 7: But to have it you're not even sure what the

502
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 7: rules are, or they're changing state to the state. That's

503
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Speaker 7: the first thing that has to be addressed. There can't

504
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 7: be any ambiguity with the rules. The kiss principal. Keep

505
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 7: it simple, stupid easier those rules are the easier it's

506
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 7: going to be for the referee. You got to take

507
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 7: out a lot of stuff from his hands because I

508
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 7: don't think you know, like again, you're putting too much

509
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 7: weight on these guys, and I think that's where the

510
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,360
Speaker 7: problem comes in. But keep it simple. If that's it,

511
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,360
Speaker 7: you might be better off knee int that I had

512
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 7: at this point, because then everybody knows it. There's nothing

513
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 7: to do, and the rec could just jump in after

514
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 7: the first knee and stop it if he wants. You know,

515
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 7: you always have that option, you know, to stop it.

516
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 7: And again, if a ref is doing the right thing

517
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 7: and his intent is correct to help the fighters or

518
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 7: to make sure the guy fights another day, I don't

519
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 7: I think that's going to be a harder thing to argue.

520
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 8: I really do. I think that's going to be a

521
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 8: hard thing to argue.

522
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 7: The guy is always going to be cautious, and that's

523
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 7: the type of ref he is, and I think people

524
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Speaker 7: will feel better with that.

525
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Speaker 1: You have to give the referee the power when he

526
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: sees an illegal strike throne to pause the action. And

527
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: I do believe. And I couldn't get it on record

528
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 1: today or get the clarification I was looking for, but

529
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: I do believe that is the case. I just want

530
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: to read you this one tweet and then we can

531
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Speaker 1: move on from Ben Folks. For instance, if I'm clearly

532
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: trying to headbut you, but you're just barely moving out

533
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 1: of the wage, time are we saying that the rest

534
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: hands are tied like he can can't say or do

535
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: anything until after I've succeeded in fouling you, Ray, And

536
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: I think that's your point, right, Like if I'm trying

537
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: to get you illegal with a car or a knee,

538
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: you know.

539
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 7: It's one hundred percent right, And you're not even looking

540
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 7: for this fight. You want to make sure it doesn't

541
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 7: happen in the next fight now, guys. You know you

542
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 7: don't want guys just oh, I was aiming for the

543
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 7: shoulder and start playing that game when they need the head.

544
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 8: No, it's a.

545
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 7: Sorry, sorry, but the damage is already done. That's the problem.

546
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 7: So I think Ben Folks is one hundred percent on

547
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 7: the money. You know, it's the intent that you have

548
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 7: to at least make sure these guys understand.

549
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 8: That is uh, it's just wrong. Now I'm gonna pay

550
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:37,719
Speaker 8: real quick. Stor.

551
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 7: I had a guy, an amateur kid fight over the weekend,

552
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,479
Speaker 7: and the amages you can't punch to the head on

553
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 7: the floor, right, So my guy, I mean, crushes the guy.

554
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 7: But it was one of the craziest damagur fights I've

555
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 7: ever seen. He did more damage to this guy's body

556
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 7: than I've ever seen done in an amateur fight. And

557
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 7: at one point in the fight, I'm like, he's gonna

558
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 7: get disqualified. This is crazy. He's going berserk. But he

559
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 7: picked those shots. He did pick them. It was berserka,

560
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 7: but he picked them. And that was the difference. He

561
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 7: wasn't just winging stuff and hoping that it hits legally.

562
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 7: He was looking. But man, was he a savage when

563
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 7: he when he was throwing that stuff. And I think,

564
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 7: you know, like again, Jeremy Stevens, I really believe he

565
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 7: thought that league was neat.

566
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 8: It was was legal. I really did he look.

567
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 7: He could have taken an easy way out and said

568
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 7: I was the shoulder shoulder and I missed.

569
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 8: He didn't. He's being honest.

570
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, And that's where I think you got to

571
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 7: come in and say, listen, we got to make these

572
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 7: rules clear.

573
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 8: They got to go back and just make one rule

574
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Speaker 8: and that's it. Period. Make sure everybody knows.

575
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Speaker 1: It all right, last thing, and then if you got

576
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: anything on the way out, we'll give you as much

577
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: time as you need. But you had me go back

578
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: and watch another fight in which Dan Murgliatto was involved,

579
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Speaker 1: Alesio Sakara against Patrick Kote UFC one fifty four in

580
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Speaker 1: twenty twelve. Basically, what happened to my eyes is that

581
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: Sakara land and did a lot of shots to the

582
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Speaker 1: back of the head. I guess there were some verbal warnings,

583
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: but I didn't see anything resembling a warning from Dan

584
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: Murgliata in that instance, stops the fight as if it's

585
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: a TKO and then goes over to the commission and

586
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: it is a DQ win for Patrick Kote. So, uh,

587
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: why did you alert me to that video? And obviously

588
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: there was a lot that I saw that was wrong

589
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: with how that situation was handled, But why did you

590
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: send me to that video today?

591
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I just think it goes to show

592
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 7: me some guys are in the right place and they

593
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 7: just can't make the decision.

594
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 8: They can't pull the trigger. That's not easy.

595
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 7: You have to be able to make those decisions to

596
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 7: be a good referee. And Patrick Otey happened to train

597
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 7: at the gym for that fight, so I was a

598
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 7: little partial, you know, watching the guy get fouled, So

599
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 7: I got a.

600
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 8: Little wacky with that. But but the most Buz you're

601
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 8: looking right at it. What is the problem?

602
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: Right?

603
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 8: There was no there's a reason why.

604
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 7: Rabbit punching is illegal in boxing from the nineteen hundreds.

605
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 8: You could kill somebody.

606
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 4: You can't hit in the back of the head.

607
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 7: You know, that's a very dangerous spot to get hit

608
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 7: and to watch a guy even remotely come close.

609
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 8: So you know you're not you're not doing anything about

610
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 8: a couple of hit not good. It's not cool period.

611
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm glad that we circle back to that because

612
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: you're right about boxing and the rabbit punches and uh yeah, man,

613
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: it's it's a serious.

614
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 8: As a fighter, Kenny.

615
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 7: When you go in there, you know you're you expect

616
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 7: the ref if something goes crazy or if you get

617
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 7: kicked in the balls and he's gonna jump in there

618
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 7: and give you time to to rest.

619
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Speaker 1: And referees are gonna make mistakes, right, But how.

620
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 4: Many mistakes do allow? But how many mistakes do we allow?

621
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 4: How many times we go, oh, yeah, no, that.

622
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: Guy you know broken orbital? You know, yeah, I got

623
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: he got concussed. But you know, we'll do another and

624
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: we'll let him do another one. You see what happens.

625
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 8: Good?

626
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 7: Is it gonna take Josh Emmett to bring a little

627
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 7: civil lawsuit against Dan and go listen, you had a

628
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 7: job to do and you watch me get pummeled, right,

629
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 7: you know what I mean?

630
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 8: Like, I don't know what it's gonna take, but they

631
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 8: have to start. I don't know. It's like the it's

632
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 8: like just the.

633
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 7: Uh, the blue coat of silence, like nobody wants to Like,

634
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 7: I'd like to hear John.

635
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 8: I'd like to hear Big John's take on this one too.

636
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 7: You know now that he's doing more broadcasting, and you know,

637
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 7: do you throw somebody under the bus?

638
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 6: You know?

639
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 7: But again, I think you know, it's not an easy job,

640
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 7: but you need guys that make those decisions. I think

641
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 7: John McCarthy definitely handles most of the situations I was

642
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 7: in totally different. You know, I think he's really really good.

643
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 7: You have a couple of really good guys. And I

644
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 7: don't know, man, I really don't know. But you know,

645
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 7: watching Kota get hitting the back of the head fifteen times,

646
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 7: I mean you could count the blows. Right, what are

647
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 7: you looking at? Just tell me what you're looking at.

648
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 7: I'm just curious to know what you think you're looking at.

649
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: You're right there, right, you know, right, And there was

650
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: no reaction, and that's why I was sort of put off,

651
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: Like if you're Sakara and you're in the heat of

652
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: the moment, and he was very unless your car after

653
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: the fact was apologetic right for what he had done.

654
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: But he's the referee, is not even warning him. He's

655
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: standing in the middle of the octagon now expecting to

656
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: get his hand raised for a t k oh win.

657
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: And it's a dq loss. Uh, tremendous insight out of

658
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: you today. Champels to the goddamn top of the show and.

659
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Speaker 7: We and we just had something with we just had

660
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 7: something Wither and Eddie Alvarez, Right, yeah, it ended up

661
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 7: in well was that I.

662
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 8: Mean, but again, it was illegal. What do you do.

663
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 8: Eddie's not that type of guy. He's in the moment

664
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Speaker 8: of the fight. But I think that's they ever done.

665
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 7: You know, the other guy didn't want to continue, right,

666
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 7: and then you know again it's the going out to

667
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 7: the octagon. They're talking the rat and they're talking to

668
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 7: this guy. Nobody knows what's going on. You can't get

669
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 7: a straight answer. And then there's never repercussions, never, And

670
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 7: that's what they have to figure out. What do we do.

671
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 7: Do we send this guy back to the minor leagues

672
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 7: for a couple of months, let him chill out with compression,

673
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 7: and bring him back. I don't know, there's gotta be something.

674
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 7: I mean, you could come up with with a couple

675
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 7: of things, but it all starts with It all starts

676
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 7: with awareness, and everybody.

677
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 8: Has to be aware that there was a mistake made.

678
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 7: Not cover it up, not plush it, you know, wipe

679
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 7: it under the car, but just address it, right or

680
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, like, just address it. You know,

681
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 7: I don't care which way it goes, but at least

682
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 7: come up with it. And then somebody's got to say, well, no,

683
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 7: I think he did the right thing, all right, Then

684
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 7: we know where we stand.

685
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: Get Dan Murkley out on the bus to paw Tucket.

686
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: You're being demoted to triple A. He's got a ref

687
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: curling in the Olympics. Yeah, there you got. It's much safer,

688
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: much safer. But but listen, you know, we talk about

689
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: the referee.

690
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 4: The reason why we spend a lot of times talking

691
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 4: about the referees, and just to kind of close this

692
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 4: book on my end is that you know, when you're

693
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 4: talking about a sport like curling, or you're talking about

694
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 4: a sport like mixed martial arts, you talk about the

695
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 4: amount of danger in each sport, they better be pretty

696
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 4: damn good.

697
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: If they're going to mixed martial arts, you better be

698
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: damn good.

699
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 4: The the the margin for error could be the difference,

700
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 4: like you said, right of a guy maybe not being

701
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 4: the same after a fight.

702
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 7: Well exactly, that's all I was saying. Now, what that takes.

703
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 7: Maybe we have to you know, vet that process a

704
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 7: little better, you know what I mean. We have to

705
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 7: bring in different types of people, you know, and if

706
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 7: you can't do it, you can't do it. I think

707
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 7: you know, there's a couple other guys out there, they're

708
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 7: getting a little older. They just can't pull the trigger.

709
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 7: You gotta get them out of there, man. You just

710
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 7: the safety of the fighter has to be paramount. That

711
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 7: has to be first, and you know that's that's what

712
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 7: they're there to do, you know, period.

713
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 4: And uh and there's a decent amount of money on

714
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 4: the line as well for these fighters exactly.

715
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 8: That's the other thing we're not even you know, addressing,

716
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 8: you know.

717
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 7: But like again, nothing all, you know, Like again, I

718
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 7: hope this didn't take away anything from Jeremy Stevens.

719
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 8: The guy's a savage, he's on a roll. He looks

720
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 8: like he found a great spot. That was a great

721
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 8: fight while it lasted and went back and forth.

722
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 7: A little bit sucks when this shit happens because you

723
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 7: just don't know the impact of anything, you know what I.

724
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 8: Mean, and where it would have been.

725
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 7: But it certainly looked like Jeremy Stevens was on his

726
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 7: way to win in that fight. And again he did

727
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 7: exactly what a fighter should do, go for it. And

728
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 7: in the process of going for it, if something that

729
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 7: goes south or you know, south of the equator, the border, whatever,

730
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 7: the ref has to jump in there in mourn you

731
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 7: and then you can't as a fighter even be mad

732
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 7: at the ref. You know what I mean, you can't.

733
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 7: You did something illegal, whether you know it or not.

734
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 7: This is the rules, period. We're adhering to the rules.

735
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 8: That's it.

736
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for the extended time today, buddy. We

737
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: appreciate you. And uh, probably a lighter topic next week,

738
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: but with this, let's.

739
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 8: Go back to LAFT. I don't see Kenny laugh during

740
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 8: the broadcast.

741
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 7: I'm absolutely I'm miserable. I have no man, that's better.

742
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 7: I wish I could have. I wish I could have

743
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 7: said something to make him laugh. But that fight was

744
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 7: that fight was That fight was violent. I think that

745
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 7: fight was more violent than the Tate Lo Bianco murders.

746
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 8: I really do that violent.

747
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 7: And if you watch that fight back with John, you'll

748
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 7: hear Paul is dead.

749
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 8: See, I could let you get away.

750
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: You are a gem. I love it.

751
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 8: I love it. Luck there he is.

752
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: What a savage forget. Aaron Stevens, my Lord called me

753
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: this morning all fired up. I was like, oh Jesus, uh,

754
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: I know we disagree on the elbows, but in terms

755
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: of the elbows to the back of the head. Kenny

756
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: nick Lentz, God love him, but he tweeted best way

757
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: to solve this problem make knees everywhere league all that

758
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: I have less of a problem with than when he

759
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: says I'd also be totally fine with hits to the

760
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: back of the head too. This isn't boxing, And I

761
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: think maybe Nick just doesn't understand or care about the

762
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: severity of the hits to the back of the head.

763
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: But Kenny, our late boss, the great Anthony Mormile, when

764
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: we were at the Worldwide Leader, you know, he had

765
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: major concerns that that this sport was gonna witness a

766
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: death on the highest level, right on the greatest proven

767
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: ground in the sport, in the to God, and there

768
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: are a lot of people who who worry about that happening.

769
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: And thankfully, since nineteen ninety three it hasn't happened in

770
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: the UFC. But I covered a boxing death in two

771
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: thousand and five, LeVander Johnson, and you know, it's a

772
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: real thing. And so I'm glad that Ray was sort

773
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: of able to at least shift our discussion, at least

774
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: from my standpoint for a minute or two to fighter safety,

775
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: because ultimately, at the end of the day, I think

776
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: even me, in the aftermath of this fight kind of

777
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: lost sight of that, and thankfully Josh Emmon is okay, yeah,

778
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: and listen.

779
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 4: As far as simplifying the rules and saying, you know,

780
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 4: let's just do knees from everywhere, would it simplify things absolutely?

781
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: Is it going to make it safer for the fighters? No,

782
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: I don't know.

783
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 4: Probably not. And what about, you know, upping your chances

784
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 4: of hitting someone in the back of the head with

785
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 4: a knee right, No, probably that that risk. You know,

786
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 4: it's going to be more liable to happen. You know

787
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 4: the reason why you don't hit to the back of

788
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 4: the head. I said it earlier, real quick as Ray

789
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 4: was talking. But your brain isn't as protected back there.

790
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 4: It's much softwer that's the older part of the brain,

791
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 4: way more susceptible to damage.

792
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: So that is.

793
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 4: Why they don't hit to the back of the head

794
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 4: in boxing or in mixed martial arts.

795
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: All right, let me just get you two possible solutions

796
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: real quick, and then we can move on. I do

797
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: want to talk about the final Steven's elbow, and then

798
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,479
Speaker 1: I promise we'll put it to bed. But in terms

799
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: of solutions, so maybe having smaller referees relative to the

800
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: weight classes, like if You've got a guy like Keith

801
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: Peterson in there, and you know he moves pretty well.

802
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: That neck tattoo does not hold our buddy Keith Peterson down,

803
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: that's for sure. But you know Dan Murgleotti trying to

804
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: move two hundred and seventy five pounds to get in

805
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: position around these featherweights. And I know, the higher profile referees,

806
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: the veterans get the main events a lot of the time,

807
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: and I don't understand that whole process. But maybe have

808
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: smaller referees for the smaller fighters. And then I'd also

809
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: like to see the referees they have to issue a

810
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: sign for a warning to the crowd, to the you know,

811
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: I know there's something verbal going to the fighters, but

812
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: at least so there is some acknowledgment that he has

813
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: warned a fighter for extending the fingers not pointing them up,

814
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: or for throwing an illegal strike, anything like that, or

815
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: you know that's borderline, you know, throwing to the spine.

816
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: We saw one interruption I think Kevin McDonald also the

817
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: action right after seeing a punch to the spine. So

818
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: a lot of different things there. Hopefully we hit every

819
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: angle of it. I also just don't love the absolutes right.

820
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: We're all entitled to our opinion when something like this happens,

821
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: and in large part it gets serious in MMA because

822
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: it's not a stick and ball sport. But if this

823
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: happened in baseball or basketball, we'd be just saying everybody's

824
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: entitled to their opinion. It's sports, right. So I didn't

825
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: think this controversy maybe was as big a deal as

826
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: some other people, but obviously when I got online, I

827
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: understood the magnitude of it. The last elbow thrown by

828
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: Jeremy Stevens for me Kenny not unlike Francis and Gano's

829
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: last shot against Alastair Overim. I just think this is

830
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: something that's the sport could do without. I'm not saying

831
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: everybody is going to have the restraint of someone like

832
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: hafey Elasunsau we saw recently, but I feel like Jeremy

833
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: Stevens with his veteran savvy and experience. I've never been

834
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: in the cage, so I don't know how hard it

835
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: is in that situation to hold back to me. I

836
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: think Jeremy probably had enough time to see a concussed,

837
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: unconscious opponent here and not land that final blow. But

838
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, and maybe I should give Jeremy

839
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: the benefit the debt. Well, I would say this is

840
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: that his job is to fight.

841
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 4: He's a fighter, And yes, absolutely there's times where a

842
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 4: fighter recognizes that and lets him up. Fighter isn't able

843
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 4: to continue, clearly he's messed up. Referee comes in and

844
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 4: stops the fight. But there's other instances where a fighter

845
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 4: kind of walks away. How about Millinder against Thiago Alvis

846
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 4: when he did it a little bit, kind of stepped off,

847
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 4: raised his hands like he was gonna walk away.

848
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: Alvis was still in the fight. He was able to

849
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: come back.

850
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 4: What happens if Alvis came back up back to his

851
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 4: feet knocked out Millander.

852
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: So you have to go out there and do your

853
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: job as a fighter.

854
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 4: You can't necessarily assume, oh, it seems like the eyes

855
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 4: knocked out. You've seen guys come back, Pat Barry and

856
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 4: Check Kongo. You know that would have been an instance

857
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 4: where you would say, oh, clearly the guy's getting knocked

858
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 4: Oh my, oh my god, he got knocked out.

859
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: So you know, you have to do your job as

860
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: a fighter.

861
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 4: I think I think Stevens did the right thing, honestly,

862
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 4: I think again for the referee, that is the referee's

863
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 4: job to go in there and see if the fighter

864
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 4: can continue or not. So you know, that's my issue.

865
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 4: And then I think you absolutely make a great point.

866
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 4: As far as you know the weight classes and the

867
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 4: size of the referee, I think it absolutely makes a difference.

868
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 4: I think Keith Peterson probably would have been able to

869
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 4: move better with the featherweights. But then at the same time,

870
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 4: do you want him refering you know, Stefan Struve and

871
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 4: Andre Arelofsky and be able to separate through those two

872
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 4: of one of those huge heavyweights wants to continue and

873
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 4: you know, trying to hurt the other guy. Is Keith

874
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 4: Peterson's gonna be able to stop him?

875
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: I don't know.

876
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 4: You want to have a big guy in there. So

877
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 4: I think that absolutely makes sense.

878
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: Well, if I'm fighting in an alley, give me Keith

879
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: Peterson on my on my squad of five. Yes. So

880
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: was Dan Bergley out of the referee in question for

881
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 1: Check Congo and Pat Barry because because in that instance,

882
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, I know, I think it was Herb

883
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: Dean was it. But in that instance I thought one

884
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: of the poorer referee things to ever happen in the

885
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: UFC because the referee actually made contact to Pat Barry. Right,

886
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: poor Pat Barry. Every time I see him, I'm like, dude,

887
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: you got fucking posed on that check Congo fight. And

888
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: last thing I'll say on Steven z Emmett, I thought

889
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: about leading with the illegal knee in my post fight

890
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: interview with Jeremy, but obviously that moment took on a

891
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: different magnitude for him, and I just chose in those

892
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: ninety or one hundred and twenty seconds not to make

893
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: it all about the illegal knee. Also, generally speaking, in

894
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: those situations, when you ask a winning fighter about a

895
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: potential foul, it's fruitless, right, He's not going to give

896
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: you much at it. Yeah, it happened in a blink

897
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: of an eye. Ye, So I just wanted to address that,

898
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: and again, it's fair criticism if people want to criticize

899
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: me for it, but I wouldn't go back and change it.

900
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 1: I wanted to give Jeremy his moment, and I thought

901
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: it was a pretty powerful one for a guy who

902
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: just made his twenty eighth UFC appearance, a guy who

903
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: I think is gonna have north of forty when he retires.

904
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 1: Absolutely incredible. That a guy, Kenny, he walked into that octagon, though, Flow,

905
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: I know you care a lot about your UFC win

906
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: loss record. He walked into that octagon fourteen and thirteen

907
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: in the fucking UFC. Wow, you know.

908
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 4: Well, and again look at you know how many people

909
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 4: can have that amount of fights in the UFC and

910
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 4: actually look better over time. He's looking better and better.

911
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 4: Stevens is a guy that I think a lot of

912
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 4: featherweights want to avoid because of his record, because of

913
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 4: the threat of them getting knocked out and possibly never

914
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 4: being the same again after he hits them.

915
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: What a threat he is. I'm real happy for him.

916
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 4: You know, he's a savage inside the octagon, but talking

917
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 4: to him outside of the octagon, he really is as

918
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 4: nice as can be. He's an excellent father, a guy

919
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 4: who really has changed his life around.

920
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: So very happy to see him get the win. Yeah,

921
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: he's been through some stuff. I mean I remember Kenny

922
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: when we were in Minneapolis in October to call his fight.

923
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was against Eve Edwards, but

924
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: he was arrested day of remember of the host hotel

925
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: and you know, fourteen elementary schools. But he really is

926
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: a great guy, right, Like this isn't some asshole who

927
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: was trying to land one final seminal blow. Like there

928
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: really is a good guy in there. And isn't it

929
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: funny that the guy who Connor McGregor said, who the

930
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: fuck is that guy? Is on the cusp of featherweight

931
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: title contention? I mean, what are the odds? Because he

932
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: certainly wasn't uh when Connor threw that liner out there?

933
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: All right, Jessica on Traje, I mean, do you know

934
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: what this woman would do to someone like me Kenny?

935
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: Never mind what she was like a lawcair kid. I mean,

936
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: she is strong, and all due respect to the great

937
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: t Sha Torres in defeat, I'm excited to see what

938
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: she can do, knowing she can survive fifteen minutes through

939
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: hell with Jessica on trage. But how about the pile

940
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: driver seven takedowns, just relentless in that pocket, you know,

941
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 1: and Torres really didn't have much more than a scratch

942
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: on her. But this Jessica on Troje is something else, man.

943
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I find it hard to believe that,

944
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: as long as she stays healthy, that she wouldn't at

945
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: some point have a belt around her waist. She is

946
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: that good to.

947
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 4: Me when she gets going and when she warms up, man,

948
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 4: she is a problem. And I tell you what, Tisha

949
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 4: Torres fought a hell of a fight. Yeah, she fought

950
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 4: an excellent fight. I don't know if she could have

951
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: fought a better fight from the skills that she has.

952
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 4: Right that then she came in with she fought a

953
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 4: brilliant fight. I thought she probably won that first round,

954
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 4: you know, Andrage at the end, you know, with that takedown,

955
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 4: you know, you know, even things up. But anyways, after that,

956
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 4: once on Dras started heating up, and those takedowns, there's

957
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 4: no one who could stop those. Once she gets in

958
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 4: on those legs, man, it's wild. She's just so much stronger.

959
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 4: Tisha Torres is extremely strong for that division. She's you know,

960
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 4: she's she's very athletic, she moves real well. But Onrage,

961
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 4: like I said, heading into that fight, she's just a

962
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 4: different kind of beast.

963
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: She's too nasty. She's too strong.

964
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 4: And when you talk about a division that is still

965
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 4: developing as far as the women's divisions, you know, it

966
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 4: hasn't been around as long as the men's divisions obviously,

967
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 4: so you know, the skillet, the talent, the skill level,

968
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 4: it's growing, it's getting there. So when you have a

969
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 4: woman that's as athletic, strong and as aggressive as on Diarage,

970
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 4: that goes a very long way. And she showed that again.

971
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 4: I mean just stave camp. Anything she got hit with

972
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 4: and Torres was landing shots. There is no change of

973
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 4: expression on Draw's face. It was like, yeah, this is normal.

974
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 4: I'm just, you know, trying to shower. I'm fine, waiting

975
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 4: in light for a sandwich. There was no change of expression.

976
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 4: She's just she's an animal.

977
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: It was as if she was getting hit by me.

978
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: And you're right, say what you want about the women's game,

979
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: and people will say what they want about the women's game,

980
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: But when you are watching the truly eliefe fighters, the

981
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: top five and at least two of these three divisions,

982
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: it really is a sight to behold. That was my

983
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: favorite fight of the night and it was the fight

984
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: that jumped off the car for me when the main

985
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: card was announced. So for sure we will have to

986
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: table that though for a second, because now with us

987
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: on the guest line. The day before he travels to

988
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: Vegas to corner the Great Frankie Edgar at UFC two

989
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: twenty two head coach to the Stars and truly one

990
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: of the better people that Ken Flow and I have

991
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: met in this mixed martial arts world, this crazy fucking world.

992
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: The great Mark Henry joins us, my man, how are

993
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: you this Monday?

994
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 9: What's going on?

995
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: Guys? Oh man, Never a dull moment. We spent the

996
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: first half hour of the show talking about this Jeremy

997
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: Stevens Josh Emmett business. I don't know if you care

998
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: to comment on that, but it just seems like every

999
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: weekend we're talking about something rules related, or judge related

1000
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: or referee related. Thankfully, Josh Emmitt's okay, but obviously a

1001
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 1: lot to digest over the weekend. My men.

1002
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought that. I thought that I do clean

1003
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 6: that they talked about that. He talked about that after

1004
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 6: because he was putting right name. But the knee, the

1005
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 6: knee was definitely illegal. But I just think the knee

1006
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 6: really had nothing to do with, you know, the times

1007
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 6: that he got hurt, you know, so you know, i'd

1008
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 6: hate to see, uh, you.

1009
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 9: Know, Steve has take a loss from something that I

1010
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 9: don't think you know, had you know, had to deal

1011
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 9: with the finish it at because I think regardless of

1012
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 9: that knee, because the it looked to me like he

1013
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 9: missed forward, but he caught after, but you know, on

1014
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 9: his way back. But I just feel like, you know,

1015
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 9: the times that you saw him really hurt were from

1016
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 9: other punches and blows, not from the knee.

1017
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: Mark, How is Frankie doing?

1018
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 4: He's been fighting a very long time, He's done some

1019
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 4: amazing things in this sport.

1020
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: How is his hunger?

1021
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 4: How is his body heading into this fight against a

1022
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 4: guy like Brian Ortega?

1023
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 9: Man? First of all, I didn't know this was about Frankie.

1024
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 9: I thought this was about he received my five pounds,

1025
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 9: my five pound gold trophy that you guys just throw

1026
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 9: it upon me.

1027
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: I thought.

1028
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 9: I thought I was waiting a Yeah, I was waiting

1029
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 9: at the mail and it didn't come. I figured, you know,

1030
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 9: you guys are gonna hand me over that big fat.

1031
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 4: Right now, I'm making it by hand. By now I'm

1032
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 4: waiting for the goal to come in. Yeah, eighteen care

1033
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 4: it takes a lot, it's hard to work with.

1034
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 9: Well, thanks so much for that, man, definitely coming from

1035
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 9: you too, bro It It totally meant a lot. The

1036
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 9: guy that's been in four division and not only four divisions,

1037
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 9: but was at the tip of the top. And those

1038
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 9: four divisions, man, the best of the best. So just

1039
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 9: a corona thank you for that, I tweeted, But I

1040
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 9: don't know if you saw it, but it really meant

1041
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 9: a lot to me. But but pertaining that a guy,

1042
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 9: that guy, Yeah, you know, it's funny the way you

1043
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 9: asked the question, because so many people ask me, you know,

1044
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 9: how many years he has left, and so on and

1045
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 9: so forth. And I just when I see him, I

1046
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 9: see him as an ortaga. I see him as you

1047
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 9: know this you know phenom, This this kid that's that's

1048
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 9: coming up, that's hungry and working hard and getting better

1049
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 9: every day. And I see him like that, a guy

1050
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 9: like the beat that we have who's young and just

1051
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 9: getting better all the time. And that's how I see

1052
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 9: Frankie in my eyes, you know, you know, he's always

1053
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 9: this kid. I've been with him thirteen years. He never

1054
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 9: misses the practice, always their first last one to leave,

1055
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 9: eyes wide open, always wants to try and new stuff.

1056
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 9: I mean, there's no difference in him than any you know,

1057
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 9: white felt or new guy that you have in the gym.

1058
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 9: So when you have that hunger and that drive and

1059
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 9: just the progression. You know, I just think, man, I

1060
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 9: really don't know when this kid stops. And he's looking

1061
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 9: phenomenal at pertudy to your questions.

1062
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: That's great to hear. Man.

1063
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 4: You know what's exciting about this fight is that I

1064
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 4: don't think either of these guys have really faced one

1065
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 4: that's like the other. You know, I think I don't

1066
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 4: think Frankie's faced someone like Ortega. I don't think Ortega

1067
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 4: has faced someone quite like Frankie Edgar either. What are

1068
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 4: some of the things you guys are working on in

1069
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 4: preparation for this fight?

1070
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 9: Well, you know, originally and everybody knows it was supposed

1071
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 9: to be Max, and you know, they do have some similarities.

1072
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 9: You know, there was the same hye Max little taller,

1073
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 9: and you know they both like to fight. You know,

1074
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 9: they're both you know, I look at both these guys,

1075
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 9: you know, as amazing fighters. You know, especially Max Man

1076
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 9: just have so much you know, this kid, Man, I

1077
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 9: really look up to Max and what he's done and

1078
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 9: how he's got there and what he's done since he's

1079
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 9: had the title. Like, this kid is just fearless and

1080
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 9: his game has just gone to another level and you know,

1081
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 9: when you prepare for someone like Max, I just think

1082
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 9: that you're just ready for anybody. Man. So you know,

1083
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 9: preparing for Max and trying to you know, game plan

1084
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 9: and get to beating someone like Max, you know, I

1085
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 9: just think prepared you for anybody in the world. I

1086
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 9: think he's that good. And I think Ortega is amazing too.

1087
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 9: And to tell you the similarities, I remember bj On.

1088
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 9: We were so scared and you can remember back with

1089
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 9: baj I mean, he didn't lose, you know, when he

1090
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 9: was a fifty five pertaining the fifty five and Stuf

1091
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 9: and everybody, and he was just amazing and everybody was

1092
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 9: scared to death of his jiu jitsu. So it reminds

1093
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 9: me a little bit at that fight when we first

1094
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 9: fought Bjay, you know, like don't give your back or

1095
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 9: watch your neck going in for a shot, and you

1096
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 9: know those things. But we're really confident with Frankie. You know,

1097
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 9: Karl Meta, you know, has been with Frankie forever and

1098
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 9: Henzo Gracie, you know, so you have that hype of

1099
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,959
Speaker 9: jiu jitsu, man, Like people don't understand Frank's a black

1100
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 9: belt also and his jiu jitsu is excellent.

1101
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: Man right, Mark Henry with us here on the Anak

1102
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: and Florian podcast. He of course, will be in Frankie

1103
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: Edgar's corner this Saturday night when he faces Brian T.

1104
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: City Ortega. I know you're a huge football guy in

1105
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: a big Buffalo Bills fan, So I'll ask you a

1106
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: question about advanced scouting right as soon as Max Holloway

1107
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: is out and you guys know you want to preserve

1108
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: that March third date. I mean you got to think

1109
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: or take as a guy who's on the short list,

1110
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: how much advanced scouting are you guys doing so that

1111
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: when something like this pops up, you're ready to you know,

1112
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: hit the ground Bill Bellicheck style hit it.

1113
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 9: Well, you know, anybody who you know who's in the

1114
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 9: top five or or or whatnot, or you know is

1115
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 9: rising up and you know that could be up for

1116
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 9: the next title shot or whatnot. You know, you try

1117
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 9: to stay a couple of steps ahead, so you know, Oh,

1118
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 9: I'm always checking out. And mccar and I were just

1119
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 9: always checking out like those guys around were certain guys

1120
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 9: in our camps that could fight, are possibly fight. So

1121
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 9: definitely had an eye on this kid and we're watching

1122
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 9: his fights before this fight, and you know when this

1123
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 9: when Max went down, you know, we uh you know,

1124
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 9: asked for us first to see if maybe uh Connor

1125
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 9: was out there, and number two, we said, you know,

1126
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 9: who's up next for the title shot? You know it

1127
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 9: want the best guy, you know, it's Frankie wanted, and

1128
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 9: you know the next best the next guy in line

1129
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 9: was h or Taken. That's who Frankie wanted, you know.

1130
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 9: And that's you know, I kind of commend all our

1131
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 9: guys on our team. You're like Edson Barbosa fight Kuldib, like,

1132
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 9: you know, our guys want the best guys, and I

1133
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 9: commend him for that, you know, And that's how you know,

1134
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 9: that's how it was when you came up. I know

1135
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 9: you fought deepest of the best, So you know that's

1136
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 9: a kind of it was still old school mentality.

1137
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: Kemp Fellow never ducked anyone, never ever marked he did.

1138
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 9: Not never he didn't. He didn't. And I gotta tell you,

1139
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 9: I don't know. And I was scared to death, and

1140
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 9: I used to watch so much tape on Kenny because

1141
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 9: I thought it was inevitable that had been. Frankie got

1142
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 9: together and I told Kenny that too. How I would

1143
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 9: watch tape on him because I'm like, man, it's just

1144
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 9: it's the next fight, or the fight after, or the

1145
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 9: fight after. So I watched a ton of fight on Kenny.

1146
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 9: And Kenny was one of those guys that could do

1147
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 9: it all on the ground or standing. He was kicking

1148
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 9: very well, so he was sal Paul. So you know,

1149
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 9: I was a little nervous at those times watching a

1150
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 9: lot of tape on Kenny.

1151
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: Bank didn't have to deal with that monster in my career.

1152
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 9: I thought it was definitely gonna happen.

1153
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: I know, how did that not happen?

1154
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 9: I have no idea, but I watched a ton of

1155
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 9: your tapes. I thought it was inevitable.

1156
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: Well, I hope Kenny won't be mad when I say this,

1157
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: but absolutely it was on Ken Flow's radar. We used

1158
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: to walk through the halls at ESPN D and I

1159
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: would say to him, it's like, dude, dude, you got

1160
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: to get in there with that Edgar. You know. We

1161
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: used to talk about that fight all the time. You know,

1162
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: I thought it was.

1163
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 9: That's why you'd say, you know, back then too, when

1164
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 9: everybody's a little beaner, everybody's more nice now. Well, yes,

1165
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 9: just put your head up like high Tom. But you

1166
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 9: wouldn't talk to Kenny. Would you want to say high

1167
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 9: or anything? You know, to be cordial but not nice.

1168
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 9: And that's how it was back there.

1169
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: Ye. Well, I'm glad you said it, because truth be told.

1170
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: In those ESPN halls, I would say, dude, fuck these

1171
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: Jersey guys, right, like, go beat Frankie Edgar's ass. That's

1172
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: what we were saying. So you're right, it is much

1173
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: more cordial now.

1174
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 6: So I got a Boston anyway, exactly. So.

1175
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: Uh So, Unfortunately Flori and Edgard did not come together,

1176
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 1: and the same could be said for a Connor McGregor

1177
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: Frankie Edgar fight.

1178
00:52:58,280 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 3: Now.

1179
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: I know you did take issue with an Instagram post

1180
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: that Connor put out there last week. He wrote, I

1181
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: put my name forward to step in at UFC two

1182
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: twenty two to face Frankie Edgar when Max Holloway pulled out,

1183
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 1: but I was told there wasn't enough time to generate

1184
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: the money that the UFC would need, and I was

1185
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: excited about bouncing in last minute to take out the

1186
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: final featherweight. YadA, YadA, YadA, you said, and you said

1187
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 1: it here on our air waves that you guys asked

1188
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: for Connor McGregor specifically, and he also asked for the fight.

1189
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: I know you've given Connor a lot of respect for

1190
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: the fighter and the work ethic, and you even did

1191
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 1: so in this post. But what was your biggest issue

1192
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: with with him posting that he had offered himself up

1193
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: to face your guy?

1194
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 4: Oh?

1195
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 9: I just think it's corny, you know, it's it's just corny.

1196
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 9: You know, like we we have Frankie asked for it.

1197
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 9: You know, he Connor is the president and he's the

1198
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 9: president or vice president. You tell me a fight that

1199
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 9: he wants that he's not going to get, you know

1200
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 9: that doesn't have some insane or ridiculous circumstances to it.

1201
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 9: I mean, you tell me, if that guy wants to

1202
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 9: fight Frank, ether're gonna say no, or he wants to

1203
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 9: fight anybody. And he's pretty much Joe was vice president

1204
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 9: you know, the organization, so you know, but you know

1205
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 9: or full you know that. So when you saw it,

1206
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 9: there was like there was three different times he could

1207
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 9: afford Frank and he said no each time. So I

1208
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 9: just thought it was ridiculous. You know, we're you know,

1209
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 9: we're full head, going our take on our tak as

1210
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 9: a killer man. So that's all we're you know, concentrating on.

1211
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 9: But just you know, just to say Frankie's name like that,

1212
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 9: because I know he's you know, posting stuff about Max

1213
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 9: and I think, man, Max is such a an amazing champion,

1214
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 9: a guy that's defended, a guy that you know that said,

1215
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 9: you know, hey, you got to you know, who earned

1216
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 9: his title shot and who earned his title shot, and

1217
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 9: and they keep saying fight one more and the kid

1218
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 9: would keep fighting, no problem, just keep winning. So you know,

1219
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 9: I have so much respect for a champion like him,

1220
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 9: and and you know he puts out that you know,

1221
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 9: post on him, and then they did one on Frankie,

1222
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 9: so you know it's just start enough was enough?

1223
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: All right, I'll get you out of here on this.

1224
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: I know how excited you are for this weekend. It's

1225
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: obviously going to be a bit is he three months

1226
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: for you with a lot of fighters in the UFC

1227
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: and in other promotions. But this is Frankie Edgar we're

1228
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: talking about, right, This is the Iron Army, this is

1229
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: the face the future Hall of Famer. What are Mark

1230
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: Henry's emotions like when you make this walk with Frankie Edgar,

1231
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: whether it's a title fight or otherwise, one.

1232
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 9: Of the things that just looks straightforward. Don't look around,

1233
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 9: and look straight forward. And I'll check out my arm

1234
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 9: a little bit. I write some things down in my

1235
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 9: arm that we've gone throughout the whole camp, and and definitely,

1236
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 9: you know, we're concentrating on and just you know, just

1237
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 9: and usually when they announce the guys, I go down

1238
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 9: a little early to get in my seat and start concentrating.

1239
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 9: And you know, that's about it. Just concentrating on what

1240
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 9: frank he's gonna do, and concentrate on him more than anything,

1241
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 9: and what he wants to do when he wants to

1242
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 9: do it, you know. And I believe he's like I said, man,

1243
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 9: he he's just getting better every day. Man. Like I

1244
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 9: think his especially his stand ups, gotten so much better

1245
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 9: in the last year, will you know, corrected some things.

1246
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 9: So I'm really pumped up for this fight. And you

1247
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 9: got to be pumped for a guy like Ortega, who

1248
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 9: who I think is an amazing fighter. It comes to fight,

1249
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 9: comes to finish, so you know, it's an exciting fight.

1250
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: And to your point, not a lot of guys willing

1251
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: to fight Frankie Edgar on about a month's notice, so

1252
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: I know you tip your cap to t City for that.

1253
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: All right, we appreciate your time, my man. All the

1254
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: best to you and Frankie. I look forward to to

1255
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 1: shaking your hand Friday at the way and if not sooner.

1256
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: Thank you for the time, sir.

1257
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 9: Take it easy, guys, Thanks so much, man, and I'll

1258
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 9: be looking for I keep looking at my mailbox. Don't

1259
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 9: worry now, I've probably gotta be signed. It's probably at

1260
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 9: the post office, you know, something like that. They got

1261
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 9: a hears off. That's right, Thanks so much, Joe. Guys.

1262
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: Thanks Mark there he is Ken Flows two thy seventeen

1263
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: Coach of the Year. Well Robert Falls Cornerman of the year,

1264
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: the great Mark Henry. But do we used to talk

1265
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: about that fight between you and Frankie quite a bit, and.

1266
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 4: I always thought it was going to happen, man, I

1267
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 4: always thought it was going to happen. So it's funny

1268
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 4: that never did. But Frankie was just a beast back

1269
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 4: in the day, man.

1270
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: And just interesting also what his career held after you retired,

1271
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 1: Because I know you've said something beast.

1272
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 4: I don't know why I said he was a beast

1273
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 4: back in the day I met when I was fighting.

1274
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: Of course, no, of course, but and I know you

1275
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: you maybe he would have been more of a problem

1276
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,479
Speaker 1: than those of us on Team Florian thought he would

1277
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: have been back then, But I know you and I

1278
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: were very excited at the possibility of taking out Frankie Edgar.

1279
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: So we're going to make some picks here on UFC

1280
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Speaker 1: and tomorrow. All right, now it's time to make some

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Speaker 1: picks for UFC two to two. Let's get to the

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Speaker 1: main Event challenge.

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Speaker 3: It's the main Event challenge and.

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Speaker 1: The time is most definitely my fish. Fine, how do

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Speaker 1: you everything? Boss?

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Speaker 3: Will to win the Main Event Challenge to John Hennick

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Speaker 3: and Kenny Florian podcast See flow.

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Speaker 1: That's about what your voice sounded like when you were

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Speaker 1: getting ready to fight, Frankie. No, I need to do

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Speaker 1: anything possible the way. Just wait, after you yelling at

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Speaker 1: a kid for a couple of years, you'll be like true,

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Speaker 1: get in here. I'm telling you. People think my voice

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Speaker 1: is all beat up from calling fights, from yelling at Jill,

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Speaker 1: I'm not much of a yeller. I'm not all right. So,

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Speaker 1: with much of your film study not yet complete, are

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Speaker 1: you working the desk this weekend for UFC two twenty two.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. All right, Well that's good, so

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Speaker 1: then you don't have to do a bunch of films

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Speaker 1: stiff right, Yeah, so that's good. I mean we're making

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Speaker 1: you make eight selections today without the benefit of much

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Speaker 1: film studies. So let's get you the standings. First Team

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Speaker 1: Annic lead Team Floory in twenty four to seventeen. You

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00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: beat Johnny's a chick Ken Flow I did you won? Yeah,

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00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: four to three, so he got you on Brian Kellerher

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Speaker 1: versus Hen and Brow big two points though for the

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Speaker 1: Flow on a Lear Latifi as underdog, so you win

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Speaker 1: the week. It's now twenty seven to twenty one one

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Speaker 1: Team Annic heading into UFC two twenty two. We will

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Speaker 1: get to Kelleher and some of the Orlando stuff on

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Speaker 1: the way out, but we're making picks right now and

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Speaker 1: joining us for that exercise. Actually, Flow here, one of

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Speaker 1: the more loyal listeners to our podcast, maybe even a

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Speaker 1: day one er. I like him already, I like him

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Speaker 1: all and I think he's from the great state of Ohio,

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Speaker 1: which we won't hold against him. Josh Penland is with us. Josh,

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Speaker 1: how are you my friend?

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Speaker 5: Hey John, I'm happy to be here and excited to

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Speaker 5: be talking with you and ten Flow.

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Speaker 1: Thrilled to have you on my man and we do

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01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: appreciate your support over the last couple of years. Let's

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Speaker 1: get right to it. First fight you will see on

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Speaker 1: pay per view this weekend. Kat Zingano back for the

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Speaker 1: first time in a long time since UFC two hundred

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Speaker 1: that was July of twenty sixteen. She is the even

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Speaker 1: money underdog here on a Monday against Kentland Viada, undefeated

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Speaker 1: twenty six year old out of Manouse, Viada three and

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Speaker 1: zero in the UFC submitted Sarah McMahon as a pretty

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Speaker 1: significant underdog her last time out, that was in September. So, John,

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Speaker 1: who do you like here in the main card opener,

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Speaker 1: Kaitlyn Vieda or the returning cats in Ghana.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's nice to see kat get back in

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Speaker 5: the octagon. She's been out for some time. Although I

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Speaker 5: don't think that this is going to be a good

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Speaker 5: matchup for her. I think that Kaitlyn She's coming in

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Speaker 5: with a lot of momentum. I think that she's going

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Speaker 5: to be the better striker on her feet, and I

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Speaker 5: think that, as you mentioned in the broadcast many times,

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Speaker 5: she's a Brazilian wrestling champ, and I think that that's

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Speaker 5: only going to benefit her in this matchup. So give

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Speaker 5: me the favorite here.

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Speaker 1: Look at Josh just bringing it right out of the

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Speaker 1: goddamn shoot. Kaitlyn Vieda for Josh has a slight favorite

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Speaker 1: Ken Flow. Kats and Ghano again also in my top five.

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Speaker 1: If I'm going to an alley, it's me Keith Peterson,

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Speaker 1: Kats and Ghano. We got three spots left, Kenny, what

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Speaker 1: do you think about Cats and Gano here in this

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Speaker 1: returning spot against a pretty talented Brazilian.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's hard to know what kind of

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Speaker 4: Cats and Ghana we're going to see. We haven't seen

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Speaker 4: her in a little while. One thing we know is

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Speaker 4: that she is so tough and she's very strong. She's

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Speaker 4: big for the division. But Kitlyn Vieira, I think she's

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Speaker 4: something else. These fighters, these Brazilian fighters from Manaos, they're

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Speaker 4: just traditionally known as being tough as hell. I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: go with Kaitlyn Vieira jakaray Soza from that same location

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Speaker 4: in Brazil.

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Speaker 1: I think Vieira is gonna get the win here, all right.

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Speaker 1: Next up in the heavyweight division, boys Stephan Streu minus two,

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Speaker 1: twenty five favorite here for what is his twentieth UFC

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Speaker 1: appearance against the former champion, Andre Arlovski. We'll actually have

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Speaker 1: a nice little retrospective on the pay per view broadcast

1383
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: for the pit Bull this weekend, so you want to

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01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: tune in for that. Arlovski now thirty nine, he is

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Speaker 1: on a one fight winning streak. You all remember the

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Speaker 1: diaper fight Junior Albini Arlovsky plus one seventy five, Josh

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Speaker 1: for you, any value for the pit Bull here against

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Speaker 1: Stefan Strue.

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Speaker 5: You know, God bless Arlovsky. The guy's been fighting forever.

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Speaker 5: I just think Strue he's gonna utilize his reach, He's

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Speaker 5: going to stay on the outside, and I think at

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Speaker 5: some point in this he's gonna, what's a nice straight

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01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 5: right hand, He's gonna put the chinny Arlovsky out. So

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to stick with the favorite again here Struve,

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01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 5: and hopefully Struve can work his way back up. So

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Speaker 5: my guy Steve Bay can get a shot at that rematch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can get that rematch. Kenny and I remember

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01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: that first fight all too well. Main event in Nottingham, England,

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Speaker 1: September twenty nine, twenty twelve. Yet I can't remember anything

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Speaker 1: in life that I need to, but somehow that date

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01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: sticks out there. Ken Flow. Struve's won two of three.

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01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: He was stopped by Alexander Volkov his last time out.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts on Struve and Arlovsky count up Saturday night,

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01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: Give me some dice. I'm about to throw him right now.

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Speaker 4: You know, Stephan Struve and Arlovsky, they're kind of inconsistent, right.

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01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 4: I think Stephan Struve, the guy's almost seven feet tall,

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01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 4: but you know, you always expect him to use his

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01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 4: reach to it's mac, but he doesn't. I think he

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01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 4: should have a much sharper jab than what he has.

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Speaker 4: I think you should use those kicks down the middle

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Speaker 4: a lot more than what he uses. If he does that,

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Speaker 4: absolutely he should beat Arlovsky, who you know, at this

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01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 4: point in the heavyweight division, you can get knocked out

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Speaker 4: by any shot. But you know he has been hurt

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01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 4: a few times prior to his last win. I think

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Speaker 4: he was he lost like five in a row. This

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01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 4: is a tough one. I think both these guys could

1418
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,479
Speaker 4: win this fight by knockout. I think both these guys

1419
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 4: can finish this fight. I gotta make a pick here.

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Speaker 4: I'll go with Struve.

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Speaker 1: It's going Stephan's true. I thought he was maybe gonna

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Speaker 1: roll the dice and take the underdog there. And remember too,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of handicappers and gamblers will say you're

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Speaker 1: betting the number and not the fighter, and especially in

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Speaker 1: our system here, I thought one of you might might

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Speaker 1: lean Arlovsky. But a couple shot picks there were Stephan Strue.

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Speaker 1: All right, pretty good fight here. Andre Sukim tot the

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Speaker 1: minus one forty five favorite against the Sugar Show Sugar

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Speaker 1: Shan O'Malley, who is plus one fifteen. Suk him talk

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Speaker 1: kenfal out of wound sock at Rhode Island stop Luke

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01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: Sanders in his last fight that was in December. That

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01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: result likely why he is favored here again. Snoop Dogg's

1433
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: one time smoking partner Sean O'Malley, won his UFC debut

1434
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,919
Speaker 1: over Terry on Where in December, so Josh relatively close

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01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: fight here, at least according to the odds makers, which

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Speaker 1: way you going, O'Malley or sup them top?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I think O'Malley. He's super entertaining to watch. He's

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01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 5: kind of got a wild style. I think this is

1439
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 5: definitely like a Flight of the Night potential kind of fight.

1440
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 5: Although I'm gonna have to go with Sukum Toss here.

1441
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 5: I think that he's just a more technical striker, and

1442
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 5: he's demonstrated in his fights that he's got a lot

1443
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 5: of power in his hand, and a wild striker is

1444
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 5: gonna leave his chin open. I think that he might

1445
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 5: catch O'Malley here and get the win. So I'm gonna

1446
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 5: have to stick with the favorite once again.

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Speaker 4: Can flow supem tot O'Malley? Which way you going, Josh?

1448
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 4: I thought you threw me off there, man, I thought

1449
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 4: I actually wrote down O'May yeah, I thought you were

1450
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 4: gonna go with O'Malley. I'm gonna go with Supem tot

1451
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 4: as well, man, gonna go with the fellow East Coaster.

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01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 4: I think this is a guy who is now coming

1453
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,439
Speaker 4: into his own. He's had some bad decisions and bad

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01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 4: fights go the other way. Now, coming off that big win,

1455
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 4: a tremendous nowcout win, I think that's gonna be a

1456
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 4: nice confidence builder for him. O'Malley. He is reckless. He

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01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 4: is dangerous, but he is reckless. I also didn't like

1458
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 4: the way he came in for his last fight against

1459
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 4: where he seemed a little bit tired, gassed a little

1460
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 4: bit early for my liking. Not going to be able

1461
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 4: to do that against SUPM. Todd, who comes in tremendous shape.

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01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 4: I think he gets the win.

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01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: All right. A couple plays there for Andre Sukim Toad's

1464
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: slight favorite, at least as we record here on Monday.

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01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: All right, comin event, how good is this? FRANKI Edgar

1466
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: minus one ninety Bryan t City or Tega plus one

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01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: fifty five? You know the book on Ortega undefeated thirteen

1468
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: to zero. With that one to no contest stepping in

1469
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: on about a month's notice, it seemed like Holloway pulled

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01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: out around the Super Bowl, and he takes on the

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Speaker 1: legend here the future Hall of Famer FRANKI. Edgar. Haven't

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01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: seen Edgar since the Ya year Rodriguez fight. It was

1473
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: a dominant one, but it was all the way back

1474
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: in May of twenty seventeen in Dallas, Belt a nine

1475
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: month layoff for Edgar not a guy who you really

1476
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: worry about when it comes to time away, extended time

1477
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: away from the octagon or Tega outstanding current form Josh

1478
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: enough for you to pull the trigger on T City.

1479
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 1: How do you see the Komaine playing out here in Vegas?

1480
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 5: You know, I'm super excited for this fight, and the

1481
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 5: UFC did a great job of putting this one together late.

1482
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 5: I'm a big FRANKI Edgar fan, and going into this,

1483
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 5: I was gonna pick FRANKI Edgar. I watched Ortega and Guida,

1484
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 5: and I just think Brian Ortaga is just He's just

1485
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 5: gonna be too much for Frankie. I mean, the guy

1486
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 5: is so calm, he's so composed. We know what he

1487
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 5: does whenever you take him to the ground. And I

1488
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 5: just looked at Frank Edgar's history and it seems like

1489
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 5: every time Atgar doesn't take somebody down and beat him

1490
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 5: up a little bit, he just he doesn't come out

1491
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 5: as a winner in that fight. So I'm gonna go

1492
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 5: with the dog here. I'm gonna go with Brian Ortaga

1493
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 5: to keep his UH, to keep his zero, and he's

1494
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 5: gonna be due for a huge fight after beating a

1495
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 5: legend like Frankie.

1496
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: Oh, he beats Frank Edgar, He's fighting Max Holloway next,

1497
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: Josh pretty convicted there on Brian Ortega Ken Flow. I

1498
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: would imagine this fight isn't the easiest one on the

1499
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: card for you to pick a winner in or Am

1500
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 1: I wrong about that?

1501
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 3: No?

1502
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 4: I really like both these guys, you know, I think

1503
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 4: that Ortega has a tremendous amount of momentum right now.

1504
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 4: Taking a fight on months notice, though against a guy

1505
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 4: like Frank Edgar who has seen it all in the

1506
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 4: octagon might be asking too much. I think that Frankie

1507
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 4: has a lot of training partners who can mimic what

1508
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 4: Ortega can do. I don't know if Ortega has a

1509
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 4: lot of training partners that can mimic what Frankie Edgar

1510
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 4: can do and the kind of energy and aggression that

1511
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 4: he brings into the octagon.

1512
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:41,759
Speaker 1: I think, you know, as far as the reach.

1513
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 4: Advantage, Ortega needs to be able to maximize that the

1514
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 4: best that he can keep Frankie all the way on

1515
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 4: the outside and as soon as he gets taken down,

1516
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 4: if he gets taken down, to immediately transition into you know,

1517
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 4: a triangle or one of those nasty guillotines that he possesses.

1518
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,759
Speaker 4: If he does get into that front headlock position against

1519
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 4: frank Frankie might be in a hell of a lot

1520
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 4: of trouble. Ortega is so quick whether he has the

1521
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 4: arm in or out. That guillotine is just tremendous. He's

1522
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,719
Speaker 4: very well trained, of course by Hender and heat On Gracie.

1523
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 4: But I think Frankie gets it done.

1524
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: Man.

1525
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 4: I think Frankie gives us another big reminder of who

1526
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 4: he is and what kind of fighter he is. I

1527
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 4: think he's very motivated to try to get that belt

1528
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 4: at one five, and he likes that matchup against Max Holloway.

1529
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:29,799
Speaker 4: I think Frankie Edgar gets.

1530
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 1: The win here. Just think it could be a crazy fight, right.

1531
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: Every time Frankie shoots, and if he successfully lands immediately,

1532
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: t City's going to be trying to, oh yeah, secure something.

1533
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think it shapes up as a

1534
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,759
Speaker 1: great matchup. It's also interesting because it seemed like Ortega

1535
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,679
Speaker 1: Kenny could have fought Josh Emmett and wanted this Frankie

1536
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 1: Edgar fight on short notice, right, So I understand the

1537
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: value of course of fighting Frankie Edgar, but it seemed

1538
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: like maybe a win over Emmett might have accomplished the

1539
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: same thing, at least in terms of the pecking order.

1540
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: If you look at the top five right now. Needless

1541
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: to say, g Ortega, They're gonna shut the damn door

1542
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: behind him Saturday night. I can't wait to have a

1543
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: front row seat, all right, made event. So Chris Cyborg

1544
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: guys minus eighteen hundred, one of the biggest betting favorites

1545
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: in the history of the UFC taking on Yana Kunitskaya.

1546
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 1: The Jackson Wink MMA trained Yana Kunitzkaya plus eight point

1547
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 1: fifty Cyborg five hard rounds in December against Holly Holm,

1548
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: turning around quickly for the promotion. Here, what do you

1549
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,560
Speaker 1: do with this one, Josh? And of course it's the

1550
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: main event. Will need the method of victory in the

1551
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: round as well.

1552
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 5: You know, there's so much value on Yanna. I really

1553
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:39,640
Speaker 5: debated picking her, but I just don't want to be

1554
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 5: that guy come the end of the year in Team

1555
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,719
Speaker 5: Annex down by half a point and I picked against Crimeborg.

1556
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 4: There up, you can make You can take those chances, Josh.

1557
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 4: He has a big lead right now, a huge thing.

1558
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 4: You could you can make an historic pick here, Josh.

1559
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 5: You know, as historic as that might be. I mean,

1560
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 5: she's minus eighteen hundred for then I think I'm gonna

1561
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 5: take Cyborg. Let's go around two knockout, all.

1562
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: Right, Cyborg by round two knockout. Normally on this show,

1563
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: when we've had a fight price like this, we've tried

1564
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: to figure out some prop bet that's a little bit closer, right,

1565
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 1: and i'd imagine to be over under a round and

1566
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 1: a half or something like that. Kenny, Cyborg, Kunitskaya, who's

1567
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: the pick to click? He didn't take the bait Diddy John.

1568
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: We almost got it. I tried to get him. I

1569
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: try to convince him, But why do you Well? Can

1570
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 1: I just say, though, Josh ya, if the problem is see,

1571
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: because it's the main event, right, you can get a

1572
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 1: point for the method of victory in the round as well,

1573
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 1: so the potential to win three points with Cyborg. But

1574
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: if Kunitskaya wins, even if you get the method in

1575
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: the round wrong, you get nine points in our system.

1576
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 1: So maybe you should be the guy we're trying to

1577
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 1: compel to take. Oh, I know, I know, well, now

1578
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,759
Speaker 1: I can't pick the second round, can I? Jeez?

1579
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 4: We you know what I'm gonna go with the first round,

1580
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 4: the first round stoppage by Cyborg.

1581
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:03,839
Speaker 1: Listen, I think good Atskaya.

1582
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 4: She's well rounded, she's aggressive, but she's just not the

1583
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 4: kind of athlete that Cyborg is. She has a decent

1584
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 4: armlock as well. She upset Tanya Avenger, which kind of

1585
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 4: put her on the map. But Chris Cyborg is just

1586
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 4: a different level of athletes. She's a different kind of fighter.

1587
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 4: She's just better technically everywhere. There's no way I can be.

1588
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 4: I can pick Yana Koditskaya. I think she'll do some

1589
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:30,760
Speaker 4: damage in the division, but not against Cyborg. I pick

1590
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 4: a first round stoppage by Cyborg.

1591
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: All right, can flow round one ko for Cyborg, can flow?

1592
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: Going with the broadcasters dream this weekend first round finish

1593
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 1: in the main evat all right, quick picks on the

1594
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 1: way out, no analysis needed, of course, if you want

1595
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: to give me a couple cents, I will certainly take them.

1596
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 1: Mackenzie Dern minus two eighty five for her UFC debut

1597
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: against Ashley Yoder, who is plus two twenty five. Josh,

1598
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 1: who do you like?

1599
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 5: Give me Mackenzie durn if you can find a prop

1600
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 5: for her to win by submit can play that for

1601
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 5: some more value.

1602
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 1: Darren likes excuse me, Josh likes durn by submission. Kenny,

1603
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: you know about this Wellington megatone gas her father. Yes.

1604
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: In the Brazilian jiu jitsu community.

1605
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 4: Absolutely, the guy's an absolute beast. He's been competing forever.

1606
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 4: He's a guy I know very well. I was hanging

1607
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 4: out with him and Abu Dhabi last year. Just an

1608
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 4: awesome dude, tremendous competitor. Actually, McKenzie's mom is a Brazilian

1609
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 4: jujitsu black belt as well, so obviously she's grew She

1610
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 4: grew up on the mats. As far as you know,

1611
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 4: Ashley Yoda, I think she's a tough out for her

1612
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 4: for for a debut.

1613
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 1: It's not an easy debut for McKenzie Dern, but I

1614
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 1: think Mackenzie does get the win by submission. On the mat,

1615
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: there's just no one.

1616
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 4: There's Brazilian jujitsu black belts and then there's world class

1617
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 4: Brazilian jujitsu belt black belts. Mackenzie Dern is just that,

1618
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 4: absolutely world class uh in jiu jitsu and and not

1619
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 4: afraid to get in the.

1620
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 1: Pocket and throw down either. So I think Mackenzie wins this.

1621
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 4: Ashley just a lovely girl, but I think McKenzie is

1622
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 4: gonna be a little bit too much for her on

1623
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 4: the mat.

1624
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,799
Speaker 1: Mackenzie durn right now minus two eighty five. Big weekend

1625
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: for our buddy Danny Rube. By the way, Ruby Sports

1626
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: and Entertainment, one of the managers in the MMA game.

1627
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: He's got Sugar Sean O'Malley and Mackenzie dern on the car.

1628
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: Might be the biggest weekend of Danny Rube's managerial career

1629
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 1: in the UFC. So we wish our buddy Danny Rube

1630
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 1: all the best, All right? Next quick pick poys Boys

1631
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 1: John Dodson minus one sixty Pedro Munos plus one thirty.

1632
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 1: Of course, this fight was to go down several weeks

1633
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 1: ago Munyo's missed weight. Now Munyo's the dog here despite

1634
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 1: four straight wins, three of them by submission. Dodson off

1635
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: the loss by split decision to Marlon, but Ice also

1636
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: dropped a split decision to lineker Kenny. So Dodson staring

1637
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 1: at losses in three of his last four if he

1638
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 1: loses to Munyo's here, Josh, wish way you going with

1639
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:53,759
Speaker 1: the favorite Dodson or the dog.

1640
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 5: Munyos, give me the dog, Munyos, all.

1641
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 1: Right, Munyo's for Josh Ken flow Who do you like? Yeah,

1642
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Munos as well.

1643
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 4: Unfortunately not going the other way, but yeah, I think

1644
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 4: Munos has a lot to gain here. I think he

1645
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 4: has a lot to you know, in this fight to

1646
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 4: prove himself, you know, to everybody and right that wrong?

1647
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 1: All right? Last pick here Hector Lombard favored at a

1648
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: minus one seventy clip to get his first win since

1649
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen when he beat Jake Shields. Lombard four fight Skidder.

1650
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 1: Here he'll try to end it against Cebe Dollaway, who

1651
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: is plus one forty dollar way back for the first

1652
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: time since they went over ed Herman last July. Josh Penlin.

1653
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 1: Who will it be? Dollaway Lombard.

1654
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 5: I think Cebe is gonna survive an early storm. He's

1655
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 5: gonna get the one, all.

1656
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: Right, CBS last one forty for Josh Kenfloer. Which way

1657
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 1: you going?

1658
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with Lombard here. I think Ceb has

1659
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 4: the skills to win this fight. You know, not gonna

1660
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,759
Speaker 4: be an easy guy to get taken down or anything

1661
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 4: like that. But I think he gets intimidated by guys

1662
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 4: like Lombard who kind of walk him down a little bit.

1663
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 4: So I think mentally he has an uphill battle. I

1664
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 4: like Lombard in.

1665
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 1: This one, all right, Josh Penlan, great job on the picks.

1666
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: I like the analysis. I like like that. You know,

1667
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: I just got a nice sound too. You man not

1668
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 1: trying to do too much. So uh, hey you bet

1669
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 1: ken flow back to back. You can be sure we'll

1670
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 1: be calling your number again. Thanks for stepping up for us,

1671
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: and uh enjoy the pay per view.

1672
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 5: Man, I appreciate you guys having me. Thank you for

1673
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 5: being an MMA podcast that spits out m M a

1674
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 5: weekend and week out, and all of us listeners appreciate it,

1675
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 5: and we appreciate you.

1676
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 1: Thanks so much.

1677
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 9: Man.

1678
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 1: Appreciate him saying that here, guys, you know, because I

1679
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 1: think a lot of people don't totally understand that this

1680
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 1: is a passion project. Right This is not a massive

1681
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: money maker for us, at least right now. I mean,

1682
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 1: eventually I'm hoping to line my pockets all courtesy the

1683
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 1: Annakin Florent podcast. But we want to be here weekly.

1684
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 1: Of course, when something like Stevens and Mit happens it's

1685
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: nice for us to have a platform to engage the listeners,

1686
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 1: but you know, by and large, this is sort of

1687
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 1: a mutual relationship. Us and the listeners were here for

1688
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 1: them and they're here for us, and that's something that

1689
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: we appreciate and don't lose sight of and don't take

1690
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 1: for granted. All Right, a couple other things here, Kenny

1691
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 1: on the way out, and I don't know how much

1692
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 1: time you have, but Aliir Latifi with a huge win

1693
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,600
Speaker 1: against Oben Saint Prue the standing guillotine choke there and

1694
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 1: look like Saint Prue was tapping on the other side.

1695
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 1: Eventually he goes unconscious. Huge upset for Max Griffin. I

1696
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 1: feel like you almost need to look at these fight

1697
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 1: cards blind and find the biggest underdog and just play

1698
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: him or her every fight card because so much happens

1699
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,639
Speaker 1: in the sport that you can't predict. But Max Griffin

1700
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 1: spoils the homecoming of Platinum Mike Perry. So another couple

1701
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: of big winners there on the main car for sure,

1702
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: Aliir Latifi and Max Payne Griffin.

1703
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, sometimes sometimes you look at stats and

1704
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 4: sometimes you look at you know, what a fighter has

1705
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 4: done in the last few fights, and you say, well,

1706
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 4: this fighter has momentum, this fighter should get the win.

1707
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,879
Speaker 4: But you have to look at the style of the matchup.

1708
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 4: You have to look at how these guys match up.

1709
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 4: I think that for Osp, he gets most of his

1710
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 4: work done on the map. That's how he gets his wins,

1711
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 4: either by t k oh. Yes, he he hit that

1712
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 4: knockout with with the kick in his last fight prior

1713
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 4: to Latifi, but that's more rare in my opinion that

1714
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 4: that's not something that Osp is necessarily known for. You know,

1715
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 4: obviously he's known for his choke, is known for his

1716
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 4: ground and pound. He's known for his ability to kind

1717
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 4: of control you on the mat. I didn't think he

1718
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 4: was going to be able to do that against Latifi,

1719
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 4: put him on his back. Latifi hits very hard and

1720
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 4: Osp holds those hands very low. It always seems like

1721
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 4: in every exchange he seems very hesitant. So that's why

1722
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,680
Speaker 4: I like Latifi. He ended up pulling through for me

1723
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 4: big shot. You know, calling out Daniel Cormier definitely doesn't

1724
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 4: deserve it.

1725
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: But I like the passion. I like the passion. Well,

1726
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 1: it's tricky because he's won two in a row. I think,

1727
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,719
Speaker 1: but he's won four of five or five of six

1728
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 1: and one of the few guys that hasn't had a shot.

1729
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 1: I know Gustavson, his teammate obviously is there right there

1730
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 1: are there are names in front of him, but it's

1731
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: for Saint Prue too. That would have been a four

1732
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: straight win for him, and you can be sure he

1733
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: would have been calling out Cormier as well. And I

1734
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 1: think they're also in a position where that title might

1735
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 1: be vacant, right, so they feel like they need to

1736
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 1: put themselves on the short list, and at least with

1737
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 1: that win, Latifi, I guess accomplish that. And for Max

1738
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 1: Griffin Kenny, unfortunately, I think for him, the bigger story

1739
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 1: for people is going to be Platinum, Mike Perry and

1740
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 1: maybe some unrealized potential at least right now he's twenty

1741
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,560
Speaker 1: six years old. A lot of us didn't love this

1742
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 1: as a quick turnaround after the Santiago Pontanibio fight, in

1743
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: which he absorbed a lot of damage, but after not

1744
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 1: being able to fight in his native Detroit, you could

1745
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: be sure he was going to land on this Orlando show.

1746
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 1: And unfortunately he's on the wrong side of the scorecards.

1747
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 1: Here certainly thought Max Griffin deserved to win. Big Knight

1748
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 1: for Griffin. Has any of your enthusiasm on Perry been

1749
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: curbed and did you have as much enthusiasm as some

1750
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: of us did and still do for Platinum Mike Perry

1751
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:52,560
Speaker 1: as to what he might be able to do.

1752
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, I don't think this was a good fight

1753
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 4: for Perry. I thought, I mean, great performance for Perry.

1754
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 4: I thought it was a good fight match up for him,

1755
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 4: but he just did not fight very well. It seemed

1756
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 4: like it took him ten minutes to kind of wake

1757
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 4: up and get into this fight.

1758
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 1: He was forcing that knockout way too much.

1759
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 4: When you have power, it's so easy to fall in

1760
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 4: love with it, but it's always gonna be there. Stop

1761
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,799
Speaker 4: trying to force a knockout. Throw more than one strike,

1762
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 4: throw more than two strikes. Get in there, throw combinations,

1763
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 4: slip your head off the center line, enter and throw

1764
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 4: those shots on the inside. Perry was just looking for

1765
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 4: a big bomb. Griffin was seeing it coming from a

1766
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 4: mile away. He was able to use his length, He

1767
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 4: was using his legs very well. I thought to keep

1768
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 4: Perry on the outside. He was moving relatively well, circling

1769
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 4: away from Perry, and Perry by the time he realized

1770
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,639
Speaker 4: he could win the fight, there just wasn't a whole

1771
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 4: lot of time left. So I think for Perry he

1772
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 4: has to get used to really throwing his combinations much better,

1773
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 4: fainting his way in sharpening up his wrestling. As far

1774
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 4: as the takedowns go, I was surprised that he ended

1775
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 4: that round in mount very easily and then just really

1776
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 4: didn't have a good entry in for his takedown for

1777
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 4: the less rest of the fight, just kind of was

1778
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 4: really trying to power in his way into those takedowns.

1779
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 4: Griffin was able to stop a lot of those takedowns,

1780
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 4: keep it on the feet and just outpoint him. I

1781
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 4: thought it was a nice strategy from Griffin, very respectful

1782
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 4: guy and got the win. But Perry just kind of

1783
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 4: needs to go, you know, really reevaluate his game, go

1784
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 4: back to.

1785
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 1: The fundamentals, go back to the fundamentals. He's gonna do

1786
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 1: that too. He's gonna take some time off, and I

1787
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 1: did think that you saw some improvements in his cardio,

1788
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 1: and I do think that at twenty six years old,

1789
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 1: there is still time and we'll see how far Max

1790
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 1: Griffin can take this thing. Now that he's a full

1791
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: time fighter as well. All Right, a couple of things

1792
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:47,560
Speaker 1: on the prelims, and it was a big night for

1793
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: Brazilian jiu jitsu Kenny. For Rana Yaya, the criminally underappreciated

1794
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: Rana Yaya, another win for him, tenth UFC win, this

1795
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 1: one by arm triangle. One of the best Brazilian jiu

1796
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 1: jitsu practitioners in the game still Marion Renault with a

1797
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: submission of Sarah McMahon. This is a forty year old

1798
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 1: woman who is a high school teacher who got a

1799
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: very late start in mixed martial arts. I know she

1800
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: has some limitations on the feet, but this is a

1801
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,600
Speaker 1: Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt Kenny who knows what to

1802
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: do when she is off of her back. I was

1803
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 1: very impressed with the submission win for Marion Renault. Also

1804
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 1: Manny Bermudez. You probably didn't see it on fight Pass,

1805
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: but the New England guy lives in Abington, Massachusetts. Undefeated

1806
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: fighter and he's a fighter Kenny who said to me

1807
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 1: before the fight, he's just like you, right, It's like

1808
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to get hit with a lucky punch.

1809
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,480
Speaker 1: He understands that in mixed martial arts. That's a real probability.

1810
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: So his path of least resistance is to go to

1811
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 1: the ground and submit guys, and he does it with

1812
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 1: such ease in his UFC debut against a pretty tough

1813
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 1: Albert Morales. So by and large, I thought it was

1814
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: a big night for the submission game. Brian Kelleher and Alan,

1815
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 1: Joe Bann with a couple of big wins as well.

1816
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 1: A lot of names there, Ken Flow, who gets the

1817
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: shine here from you? Oh? Man?

1818
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 4: I mean Joe Band's knockout was just tremendous against a

1819
01:22:58,240 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 4: Ben Saunders who's toughest nails.

1820
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 7: Uh.

1821
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 1: Good to see Joe Ban get the win. Man.

1822
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 4: He's just a great guy who definitely uh went out

1823
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 4: that night. Uh a start, It was a it was

1824
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 4: a beautiful finish.

1825
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 1: Who else? Uh what about ya? What's all right? Go ahead,

1826
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 1: let me talk about ya.

1827
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 8: Ya.

1828
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 4: First of all, I mean, coming off the loss of

1829
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 4: his mother just you know what, less than two weeks ago.

1830
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 4: I mean that that's got to be extremely difficult, and

1831
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 4: he was just all over.

1832
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 1: Dome just and Russell. Don't I think he's a He's

1833
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: a very good, very good ground guy.

1834
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 4: But it certainly not at the level of yah Ya,

1835
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:38,680
Speaker 4: who showed why he is considered world class. Just all

1836
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 4: over him. Man, that that's what beautiful jiu jitsu is

1837
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 4: all about. And uh really put on a clinic there.

1838
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 4: And for mari and Renault, McMahon panic. McMahon got in

1839
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 4: that triangle. She could have escaped, She should have postured out.

1840
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 4: She didn't know whether to go in tight and counter,

1841
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 4: whether stand up, pull her arm out. Just seemed to

1842
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 4: be confused in there, and again just to me, seemed

1843
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 4: like she really panicked. And if you panic against someone

1844
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 4: like a Marion Renaut, who's good with their jiu jitsu,

1845
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 4: good with their finishing skills off or back, and with

1846
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 4: that triangle, it was all over. It just got worse

1847
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 4: and worse. McMahon just made the bad decision after bad

1848
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 4: decision in there.

1849
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 1: She was on her way.

1850
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 4: It seemed like she was going to control and win

1851
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 4: that fight. One mistake in this game, that's all it takes.

1852
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:26,600
Speaker 4: All right, good stuff today, cam Flow. Last thing to

1853
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 4: on Yaya is that a cow catcher. Some people were

1854
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:33,639
Speaker 4: saying that position is called a cow catcher. DC said

1855
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,680
Speaker 4: it was not. No, it's not a here's why it's

1856
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 4: not a cow catcher. A cow catcher, you know you

1857
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 4: could roll someone in wrestling. The head was caught behind

1858
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 4: the head, behind the back. Sorry, and that's why you know.

1859
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 4: It actually could have been a submission. He was in

1860
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 4: half guard, so if he was able to get out

1861
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 4: of half guard, that would have.

1862
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 1: Been a finish. It's a it's a brutal neck crank.

1863
01:24:56,439 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 4: Actually, Jerry Bolander in probably nineteen ninety six or something

1864
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,680
Speaker 4: like that, Yeah, hit it for submission back in the

1865
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 4: day in the UFC.

1866
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: It's a brutal, brutal move, but it is not a cowcatcher.

1867
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 4: The grip is similar in how you get the double underhooks,

1868
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,960
Speaker 4: but the head needs to be trapped behind the back

1869
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 4: and as you as you roll them and as you

1870
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 4: put your your your back backwards into the head. It

1871
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 4: creates a lot of force sending the neck forward. It's

1872
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 4: hard to breathe. You crank the neck and you have

1873
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 4: to tap out. Lucky for Russell he was in that

1874
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 4: half guard. He was able to prevent that. But it's

1875
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:37,600
Speaker 4: a it's a devastating move. Oh man, did that not

1876
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 4: look fun?

1877
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 6: Right?

1878
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you put someone in a move like that,

1879
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 1: I will never go back to jiu jitsu class as

1880
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,720
Speaker 1: long as that looks brutal. Great show in Orlando, though.

1881
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 1: The crowd was really good and it was fun to

1882
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 1: be with some family for me and have them in

1883
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 1: the building. But fighters just really turned out. And it's

1884
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 1: such a treat to call fights when you're getting finishes

1885
01:25:56,640 --> 01:26:00,599
Speaker 1: like that and exciting performances. So as usual, well, thanks

1886
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 1: to the fighters for a great night of fights. All

1887
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 1: right now with us on the guest line, one of

1888
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 1: the men who played a huge role in the development

1889
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: of EA Sports UFC three, a project very close to

1890
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 1: my heart and my voice producer for EA Sports UFC three,

1891
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 1: my good friend Freddie Auano is with us. Freddi, Oh,

1892
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 1: my man, it's good to have you on the show man.

1893
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 1: How you doing.

1894
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 10: I'm doing well?

1895
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 4: Hey?

1896
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 10: John?

1897
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:25,680
Speaker 5: Did get you?

1898
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: Did I get your last name right? I know I

1899
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time talking about pronunciations with you

1900
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 1: with others. I mean, did I butcher the surname right

1901
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 1: out of the shoot today? Or are we going?

1902
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 9: You got it?

1903
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:35,640
Speaker 10: You got it?

1904
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 1: Okay? All right?

1905
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 8: Good?

1906
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 1: So I know how hard you work. I saw it firsthand.

1907
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 1: I know they don't pass out championship rings to the

1908
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:46,560
Speaker 1: cast and crew when a video game is completed. But

1909
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 1: given how much of an undertaking it is for you

1910
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 1: and your staff and everybody else to produce a game,

1911
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 1: what happens when like you get one in the camp?

1912
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you don't like go eat mushrooms necessarily,

1913
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 1: but what you do.

1914
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 10: You take a long vacation. That's typically what we do,

1915
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 10: you know, we work. I don't know, I guess it was.

1916
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 10: It was a year ago when you and I just

1917
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Speaker 10: hit record on day one, and it was probably about

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Speaker 10: eighteen months ago when we started USC three. And you know,

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Speaker 10: you're right, it's a huge undertaking. We've got a big,

1920
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Speaker 10: passionate team working on this game. And typically, you know,

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Speaker 10: the game launches, we wait for the reviews to come in,

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Speaker 10: but we're always listening to the fans. We're always listening

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Speaker 10: to the reviewers. We're always trying to you know, improve

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Speaker 10: the game. Even before it's been shipped, we're listening to

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Speaker 10: what the fans have said. And once that's done, you know,

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Speaker 10: we usually the core team tries to take some time

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Speaker 10: off and decompress.

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Speaker 1: So of course our fans are hearing you for the

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Speaker 1: first time. But you're a massive combat sports fan. You

1930
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Speaker 1: know more about boxing than I will ever know. And now,

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Speaker 1: obviously you've been following mixed martial arts for longer than

1932
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Speaker 1: a decade. But when did you start first working on

1933
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Speaker 1: the UFC franchise of games? And i'd imagine for you

1934
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Speaker 1: being at EA. When EA got the UFC, that was

1935
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Speaker 1: a pretty big day for you in your career.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, totally. I mean I've been a big boxing fan

1937
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Speaker 10: since I was a kid. I still remember, you know,

1938
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 10: my dad coming home when I was seven years old,

1939
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Speaker 10: and you know, bringing us my brother and I have

1940
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Speaker 10: some leather boxing gloves, and from that day forward we

1941
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Speaker 10: just became huge boxing fans. But for EA specifically, I

1942
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Speaker 10: was in video games, and you know, EA had the

1943
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Speaker 10: Fight Night boxing franchise, And when I came to Vancouver,

1944
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Speaker 10: I called up a friend of mine at D and

1945
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Speaker 10: I just said, do anything you kind of get me.

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Speaker 6: On that game.

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Speaker 10: And that was a Wednesday, and by Monday I was

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Speaker 10: already talking to one of the executive producers at YA Sports.

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Speaker 10: And by the next Friday, I was signed and I

1950
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Speaker 10: was ready to go. And that's how excited I went

1951
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Speaker 10: to get in GA, but more importantly, more excited to

1952
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Speaker 10: work on my favorite game. Which was fight Night when

1953
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Speaker 10: I worked on Fight Night, Round four h Fight Night

1954
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Speaker 10: Champion and uh, and then the license came up and

1955
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Speaker 10: I've been working on that ever since. And you know

1956
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Speaker 10: that was I think we've done JFC one, r C

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Speaker 10: two and when we just turned and launching year C three.

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Speaker 4: Well, you deserve some kind of award for this game,

1959
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 4: but maybe a bigger award for hanging out with John

1960
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Speaker 4: Annick for eighty hours.

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Speaker 1: How did you? How did you do that? Freddy?

1962
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Speaker 10: A lot of patients now you made it.

1963
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Speaker 6: You made it very easy.

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Speaker 10: John, I've got to say you're you're probably one of

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Speaker 10: the best, one of the most professional, one of the

1966
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Speaker 10: most easiest guys to work with in the studio. You know,

1967
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Speaker 10: for those who do you don't know. You know, we

1968
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Speaker 10: don't write lines for John Attic or for any of

1969
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Speaker 10: the commentary. We set them up with a contact, a

1970
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Speaker 10: scenario and they just add lib all the lines. And John,

1971
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Speaker 10: you were one of the best at ad libbing. You

1972
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Speaker 10: gave us more than we needed at times. And and

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Speaker 10: you know you put in your homework. You come into

1974
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Speaker 10: studio and you have his notes all lined up and

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Speaker 10: ready to go. So thank you for your hard work.

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Speaker 4: I love, I love given John Anak a hard time,

1977
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Speaker 4: but this guy, I've known him for a long time.

1978
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Speaker 4: He's one of the hardest working guys. And homework is

1979
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Speaker 4: basically his middle name. But Fred Freddie.

1980
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Speaker 1: As far as E E A Sports two and EA

1981
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Speaker 1: Sports three, what are the differences.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean we've made some huge strides in all

1983
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Speaker 10: the way ends of the game. You know, we try

1984
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Speaker 10: to build on what we had from from the last version,

1985
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Speaker 10: but really for USC three, you know, some of the

1986
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Speaker 10: big areas are you know, the entire stand up striking

1987
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Speaker 10: experience is entirely different. We've helpe that from the scratch up.

1988
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Speaker 10: We threw everything away from UFC one and r C two,

1989
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Speaker 10: and we don't normally do that, but we had a

1990
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Speaker 10: chance to work with some new technology, which is real

1991
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Speaker 10: player motion tech, and we created over five thousand humanimations

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Speaker 10: in the game.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 10: So really every streak, every punch, kid, block, counter has

1995
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Speaker 10: all been recaptured and rebuilt. I mean, we built from

1996
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Speaker 10: the ground up. The result of that and why we

1997
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Speaker 10: did such a huge undertaking was, you know, it allowed

1998
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Speaker 10: us to have the most seamless combinations, the most fluid motion.

1999
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Speaker 10: The stand up is very responsive and it enables UFC

2000
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Speaker 10: fighters to look and fight and feel the way they should.

2001
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 1: Now obviously, yeah, no, go ahead.

2002
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: And on top of that, I mean, you know, you know,

2004
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Speaker 10: we brought uh, we brought on you know, dozens of

2005
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:57,680
Speaker 10: UFC fighters to come in and actually emotion capture and

2006
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Speaker 10: capture their actual one one like you know, so you'll

2007
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Speaker 10: see that in game.

2008
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Speaker 4: You know, I'm sure it was challenging just to do

2009
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 4: a boxing game, but doing a UFC game, I mean

2010
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Speaker 4: there's literally millions of moves and combinations that you could

2011
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Speaker 4: put together for a UFC style fight game.

2012
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Speaker 1: What was the hardest part about doing that?

2013
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, you know, like I said, I work

2014
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Speaker 10: with a very passionate team. You know, get people that

2015
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Speaker 10: are very smart and love the sport. You know, we

2016
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Speaker 10: have at THEA we have a jiu jitsu class, we

2017
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 10: have the kickboxing class with the boxing class and some

2018
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 10: of the core people leading up the development of the game,

2019
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Speaker 10: they're there every week every week. And you know, since

2020
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Speaker 10: Misty won, I believe now you know, they all started

2021
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,760
Speaker 10: a White Belts and I believe there's a few guys

2022
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 10: that are at blue or even Purple Belts right now.

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Speaker 10: So you know, everyone's doing their homework, everyone's engaged, everyone's

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Speaker 10: watching the everyone's practicing. You know, everyone's getting a lot

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01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 10: of people are getting punched in the face. And this

2026
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 10: is this is just that we can make the most

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Speaker 10: authentic experiense and you know, you can't do that unless

2028
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 10: you unless you feel it, you know, and you know,

2029
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:21,479
Speaker 10: all of that homework kind of you know, makes it

2030
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 10: easier for us to make the game. But of course

2031
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 10: we're making a video game and there's thousands of millions

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01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 10: of variables that we have to computer. But you know,

2033
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:34,320
Speaker 10: with with somebody new technology, like for example, with real

2034
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:38,599
Speaker 10: player emotions that it used to motion capture sessions used

2035
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:42,439
Speaker 10: to be very long, very tedious, and and uh, with

2036
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,720
Speaker 10: this new technology, we're to be able to get fighters in,

2037
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 10: get them to move atual where you do what they want,

2038
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:49,800
Speaker 10: and the motion capture time in half the time now, right,

2039
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:52,640
Speaker 10: So with technology that's just seem to get a bit easier.

2040
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Speaker 1: For I'm just glad you hit on a lot of

2041
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:57,760
Speaker 1: that because I hope fans understand, right, I mean, the

2042
01:33:57,800 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 1: guys who are producing this game or are putting the

2043
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 1: gee on and trading jiu jitsu on the EA grounds, right,

2044
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:06,680
Speaker 1: like a college campus. They got there in Vancouver, right.

2045
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:08,720
Speaker 1: I mean, guys putting this game together are striking and

2046
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:10,600
Speaker 1: getting punched in the face. When Freddy told me that,

2047
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:13,479
Speaker 1: you know, I was all in. So dare I ask

2048
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:16,160
Speaker 1: if Freddie Alano joining us here on the Anakin Florian Podcast,

2049
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:19,840
Speaker 1: producer for e A Sports UFC three, how soon does

2050
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 1: any wheel get put in motion for e A Sports

2051
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:27,960
Speaker 1: UFC four once this one is put to rest. Relatively speaking, Well.

2052
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:29,640
Speaker 10: Like I said, we just we don't stop. I mean,

2053
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:34,680
Speaker 10: we're continually listening to the signs we're engaging with, uh,

2054
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:39,400
Speaker 10: you know, very hardcore players and very passionate players. You know,

2055
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 10: it's it's it's it's almost as soon as this game

2056
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 10: quote unquote is done, we're we're we're working on the next.

2057
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 10: We're always there's never there's never a time where we're

2058
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 10: one hundred percent ship the game with everything we wanted to.

2059
01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 10: And that's just do the timeline or president or readers

2060
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:02,679
Speaker 10: is croll as take those ideas a prive into the next.

2061
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 10: We're listening to see that from everybody and applying that

2062
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 10: to the next. So really, I mean, people haven't haven't stopped,

2063
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:15,639
Speaker 10: and and you know, UFC four or you know, we're

2064
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 10: we're we're already thinking about how we can improve it

2065
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 10: from the UFC three.

2066
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:24,600
Speaker 1: Well, it looks great, man, and they even have the

2067
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 1: stand and bang mode can flow for guys like me

2068
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:29,439
Speaker 1: because I get taken down very quickly. They usually get

2069
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 1: grounded and pounded out, so I can just eliminate. It's

2070
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 1: like great, right, I don't just like skip a jiu

2071
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 1: jitsu clash, I can. I could get the wrestling and

2072
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 1: the grappling out of it, just do my stand in

2073
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 1: bang mode. Freddy, how much of a video game player

2074
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 1: are you? I know, you've got a lot of interests

2075
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:45,760
Speaker 1: and uh, you explore a lot of different things in art,

2076
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 1: museums and restaurant. I mean, how much of a video

2077
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:50,920
Speaker 1: gamer did you come into this field being?

2078
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean my background actually comes from film and

2079
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 10: video production. That's what I did before I got into games,

2080
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:04,759
Speaker 10: you know, producing, editing, directing, and I think I apply

2081
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:07,960
Speaker 10: all of those skills and all those interests into video

2082
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 10: games and and really that is my my role there

2083
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 10: is is I'm I'm charged with ensuring that broadcast presentation

2084
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:22,600
Speaker 10: is as authentic as it possibly can be, so that

2085
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 10: when when a player is watching our games, they happen

2086
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 10: to squink their eyes, you know, they say, is that

2087
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 10: TV or that video game? And when people can do that,

2088
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:35,120
Speaker 10: you know we've accomplished our job.

2089
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Speaker 5: But to video games.

2090
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 10: I don't really playing as much video games as as

2091
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:44,720
Speaker 10: my co workers. Yeah, but like I said, I think

2092
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:50,519
Speaker 10: I think I bring another perspective from other inspirations like

2093
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:54,880
Speaker 10: music videos or or still on more photography or whatnot

2094
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 10: that are all prittn into developing.

2095
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:59,640
Speaker 1: A game, no doubt about it. You bring a lot

2096
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 1: to the tap and what a resource you were for

2097
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 1: me trying to voice this game, to have a real

2098
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 1: true mixed martial arts fan and somebody who had his

2099
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:10,559
Speaker 1: finger on the pulse of the sport. And you helped

2100
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 1: me through those sessions that I've said on these airwaves

2101
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:15,599
Speaker 1: and in other places were not all that easy. All right, Freddie,

2102
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:18,679
Speaker 1: thank you for the time. I appreciate you, and congrats

2103
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:21,839
Speaker 1: on the game. EA Sports UFC three available now PlayStation

2104
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 1: four and Xbox one. We'll talk to you soon, my man.

2105
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:25,519
Speaker 1: Enjoy the fights this weekend.

2106
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 5: All right, guys, thanks for having me on the show.

2107
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 5: Appreciate it.

2108
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:33,120
Speaker 1: There he is Freddie Jano, producer EA Sports UFC three

2109
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 1: in Vancouver. It is pretty incredible, the whole setup they

2110
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,120
Speaker 1: got in Vancouver. I haven't been there. I've just seen

2111
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 1: like virtual tours, but I mean you can appreciate that

2112
01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:45,280
Speaker 1: Kenny as a Brazilian jiu jitsu guy, the fact that

2113
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 1: at the very least the people who are doing this

2114
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 1: game are not just training in the discipline but falling

2115
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 1: in love with it and going from white belt to

2116
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 1: blue belt over the course of developing two or three

2117
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:57,240
Speaker 1: video games. It's hard to make an MMA game right,

2118
01:37:57,479 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 1: and I think largely these guys have succeeded more so

2119
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 1: than anyone who has tried.

2120
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Speaker 4: To do it. I love that man, very impressive and

2121
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:06,679
Speaker 4: you got to admire that work ethic and the ability

2122
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:08,640
Speaker 4: to go you know what, Yeah, I want to make

2123
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 4: a great game, but actually I really want to feel it.

2124
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:13,800
Speaker 4: That's what's gonna take the game to the next level.

2125
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 4: So the fact that they're actually practicing me these moves,

2126
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 4: learning about the art, I'm always going to be a

2127
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:22,120
Speaker 4: fan of that. So that's that's pretty damn cool man.

2128
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,840
Speaker 4: And the motion capture stuff you heard him talking about too.

2129
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:28,479
Speaker 1: Guys like Cajun Johnson benefited greatly from being local, but

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Speaker 1: a guy who can do a lot of different things,

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Speaker 1: and they captured a lot of his motion. He's mimicking

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Speaker 1: other fighters, and I really think it translates. I don't

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Speaker 1: have a great framework for the video game space, but

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Speaker 1: I've liked what I've seen thus far. And as I said,

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Speaker 1: for someone like me, dude, like I'm a terrible video

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Speaker 1: game player, Like you want to play me in Madden,

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Speaker 1: You'll you'll destroy me. But at least there's this Stan

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Speaker 1: and Bang mode. Otherwise, you know, I mean, I'm getting

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Speaker 1: taken down by strikers, right, and they're just poud to

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Speaker 1: be out of the guy just have no clue. I

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Speaker 1: got to I got to get better EA Sports UFC three.

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Speaker 1: You can get it out of PlayStation four and Xbox one.

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Speaker 1: All right, good stuff there from Freddie. Oh, we also

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Speaker 1: have two copies of EA Sports UFC three to give away.

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Speaker 1: These are PS four, not Xbox one, so I apologize

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Speaker 1: for that. So one copy is going to go to

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Speaker 1: the first fan in Las Vegas this weekend. So I

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Speaker 1: know this is selective. I apologize if you're not coming

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Speaker 1: to the show. First fan in Vegas this weekend who

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Speaker 1: comes up to me and says Florian is gonna have

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Speaker 1: five kids. Okay, that is the secret message, and say

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Speaker 1: John Florian's gonna have five kids, and I will get

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Speaker 1: you your copy of EA Sports UFC three. Next copy

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Speaker 1: will be given away on next week's Annik and Florida wedding.

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Speaker 1: Just thinking about that, Oh, I know, I'm sure, well

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Speaker 1: you gotta shut no, I mean two or three if

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Speaker 1: you go five that in your mind, all right. Thank

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Speaker 1: you to our guests of course, Freddie. Oh, thanks to

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Speaker 1: Mark Henry and Ray Longo for joining us. Josh Penlin

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Speaker 1: on the Picks next week full recap of UFC two

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Speaker 1: twenty two, and then mercifully one week off for the

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Speaker 1: MMA Leader. But we'll be back of course every Monday

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Speaker 1: throughout March. But at least we don't have a show

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Speaker 1: to get picks on, so can Flow can get a

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Speaker 1: little bit more time with the baby girl. Good to

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Speaker 1: see you, my man with that for the Flow, I'm

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Speaker 1: John Anick. Thank you all for listening, for subscribing, for watching.

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Speaker 1: Until then you'll later the.

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