WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 7/13: Training Camp Preview, One Big Thing on Each Position 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:07.240 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:12.200 Lazar and Alex bar Ba Lazar, Hello, everybody nailed it. 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:14.520 Joined has always by our bar. 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.239 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars I'm not saying 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:23.480 you're wrong. I'm so fifty to fifty on that one. 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.520 That was the hardest choice I made. Anthony Jennings, Mac Wilson. 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.920 Which guy is it? But that's the hardest choice of 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:31.880 all the stuff on the roster projection? Yeah, that was 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:32.400 toughest one. 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:34.920 What's tougher for you? The whole roster? 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:41.479 Okay, right, go watch Save You're Worthy. 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:44.800 We we do take a lot of pride and arguing 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:46.360 about Anthony Jennings versus Mac. 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:48.440 Apparently, I'm still mad you don't watch. I'm mad you 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:50.040 still don't watch to Save your Worthy. 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:52.159 Now I haven't. But also be careful about what you 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:54.200 say about Mack Wilson because he's on the Twitter hunt. 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.680 Is he that lately he's been He's been tweeting a lot. 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:59.400 He's a good follow he is good for follow I 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:02.840 saw it. So somebody tweeted him that they bought his 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:06.520 jersey and they were like lifelong fan like that, like 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:08.560 town proved the haters wrong. Yeah, and he tweeted back 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:10.560 and he goes like, thanks, but I might get a 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:12.480 new number. But don't worry. If I get a new number, 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:13.360 I'll buy you a new jersey. 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:13.800 Nice. 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:15.840 That's awesome. That's the guy that gains. 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:18.640 I'm not a you know, I'm not a big jersey 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:21.000 number guy. You know that. But thirty on a linebacker 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.840 is not my favorite. That's fair. I feel like linebackers, 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:26.840 I want my linebackers in the fifties, you know, fifty 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:27.880 to fifty one, fifty four. 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:29.840 Some guys pull off the nineties numbers too. 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:32.880 I feel like nineties is more like an edge though, 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:34.000 Like I'm more thinking outside. 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.000 Oh, like okay, yeah, middle linebacker. 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:38.360 I'm like, I know that, you know, fifty four has 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:40.760 got its lineage here, but yeah, like fifty four is 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:44.760 the inside linebacker number to me, Like that's fifty to 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:47.039 fifty two, fifty four or fifty one I think is 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:47.440 good too. 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:52.120 Yeah, but yeah, yeah, there's not that many like inside linebackers. 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.760 I'm like, was it Peter Bullwaer that wre ninety one 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:58.960 or was it? I think so? And he played like 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:02.880 next to Ray Lewis in the middle huh. That's that's 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:04.680 I think the one kind of but I know it 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:09.680 is Alex. 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:09.239 And I will be with you for the next couple 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.840 of hours. We do also have something on the docket 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.280 for next week that we're looking forward to that we 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:16.960 are are gonna put I'm going on on Vaca, Alex 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.600 going on vacation for next week and gonna take a 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:24.239 week off before the calm before the storm, which means 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.359 that they'll sign DeAndre Hopkins and Dalvin Cook while I'm 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:29.799 on Martha's vineyard in the whole world will turn upside down. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:33.440 But regardless, we're gonna have something for you next week 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:35.960 at our usual times, So don't don't think that we're 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.600 we're blowing you off a week before training camp, so 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.720 be on the lookout for that. But today we're gonna 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.480 really get into sort of the the meat and potatoes 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.440 of our training camp review, just since I won't be 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.880 here next week. So here here's the big part of 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:54.040 the show will be we're gonna go position by a 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.760 position again. But instead of going throughout the whole roster 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.320 and talking like we did we did the roster projection show, 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.440 We're gonna change it a little bit and do one 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.480 big thing, one big thing at each position group. It 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:08.360 can be a position battle like you know, training camp battle. 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.560 It can be an individual player, it can be you know, whatever, 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:14.960 whatever we want to do, we can do with Dad. 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.760 And we'll also talk a little bit about what's going 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:19.480 on in the news. Not much going on in the news, 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:23.200 but I do want to get our evolving weekly. We 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.280 have to have a weekly DeAndre Hopkins check in. 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:26.079 Like, yeah, pretty much. 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.160 You have to know where you're at weekly at this 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:29.880 point with that one. So let's just get that out 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.000 of the way really quickly, and then we'll get into 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:33.720 the camp preview and you can call an eight five 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.560 to five Pats five hundred email in at web radio 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:39.720 at Patriots dot com, and we can weigh in on 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:42.320 anything that you want to weigh in on there as well. 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.920 But with DeAndre Hopkins, Alex, the more that this plays out, 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:51.119 the more I am concerned that the Patriots are essentially 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:53.760 I wouldn't even call it leverage. I would call a 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:57.920 fallback plan for DeAndre Hopkins where if it had to 0:03:57.960 --> 0:03:59.840 come down to the Patriots of the Titans I think 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.040 coming to New England. But the team that I continue 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:05.400 to just be afraid of is Kansas City. If they 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.840 get that Chris Jones contract extension done, they get some money, 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.160 Maybe they convert some salaries to signing bonuses and things 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:15.160 like that to get further under the cap. That seems 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.200 like a great situation for him to play off of 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.279 Travis Kelce and they could use it. I think last 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:23.280 year they Mahomes Magic kind of put them over the 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.359 top without tyreek Hill, but maybe that seeps in a 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:28.680 little bit more for them two years are moved from 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.760 trading Tyreek Hill that they don't really have that other 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.240 guy besides Kelsey, So I think that they're a team 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.600 that's lurking. Obviously Buffalo some of the rumors out there 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.160 that they would take them at a discount, like a 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.280 ring chasing type contract. He kind of called them out 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:48.160 though and said, yeah, he's not doing that, So we'll see. 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:51.800 But what's your where's your meter at right now? As 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:53.520 you're check in on DeAndre Hopkins. 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.360 I still think if if things stay the way they 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.159 currently are, which isn't going to happen. It's the NFL 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.880 things happen. But if things stay the way they currently are, 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.560 I think he signs with Patriots, but that means the 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.200 Chiefs don't open up more money. That means nobody gets hurt. 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.040 That means, you know, on and on and on. And 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.640 there was that report last week from Mike Reese that 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.840 the Titans were being more aggressive and the Patriots kind 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:19.080 of you know, they had their meeting and went from there, 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.640 and a lot of people interpreted that as the Titans 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.719 offered more money. I actually interpreted a little differently. I 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:28.040 read that as the Titans made their offer and since 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:30.480 have been saying, come on, man, looking forward to hearing 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:31.760 from you what you got. You made it, you made 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:35.320 up your mind, like they're battering him. Whereas the Patriots 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:37.200 they put their offer on the table, they said, this 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.800 is it. Yeah, let us know, call us, you know, 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:43.840 we'll be here. And people may hear that and think 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:45.800 of it as the Patriots being lazy. I don't think 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.560 it is. Everybody's different. Some people don't like you know, 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:50.880 he may have made it clear to them. I want 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:52.960 to make my decision. I don't want to hear from you. 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.600 Some people just operate that way. Maybe or maybe he didn't, 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:58.320 and maybe this is just how they do business. Just 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:00.640 this is our offer, take it or leave it. But 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:03.880 it does feel like they are kind of sitting back 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:06.640 and letting everything else develop. And I've said this before, 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:08.680 I think they got to be aggressive if they really 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:09.960 want to get this guy. I don't think this is 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:11.640 a situation where you can just sit back and let 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:15.640 the cards fall. Now, maybe if the circumstances seriously change, 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.120 maybe if the Chiefs open up the money or somebody 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.200 gets hurt, then they go and they say, all right, 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.560 we realize your market's changed, and we're going to adjust 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:26.080 our offer accordingly. But again, I think right now, if 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:27.919 he had to decide today, he's a Patriot, but he 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:29.720 doesn't have to decide today, and there's still a lot 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:30.760 of time for things to change. 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:32.480 Yeah, I think that's a good way of putting it. 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:36.880 I always look at the Patriots with contract negotiations, and 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.560 I'm not saying that it's necessarily a perfect approach because 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:43.279 it has. I think it's cost them players, and I 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.120 think it's also gotten them players, right, you know. I 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.240 think it's gone both ways over the years. But they're 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:52.160 one of those teams that puts an offer out early, 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.080 puts out an inquiry early. Sometimes it's not even a 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.080 formal offer, just kind of floats their interest early and 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:01.640 then maybe late in the process, one last phone call 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:05.960 right of what's the number? What what? What do you think? 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.560 And you know, And that's what my point is, I guess, 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.000 is that the Patriots' most aggressive offer is never their 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:12.640 first offer. 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:13.400 Right. 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.440 They're not one of those teams that typically Now there's 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:18.640 some exceptions, I think like Stefan Gilmour might have been 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:22.120 an exception where they just immediately put the brinkstruck in 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.160 the in the parking lot and said here you go, right, 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:27.760 But I think that for the most part, they're a 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.960 team that that tends to lurk more than they pounce, 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.520 and late in the process maybe they get to the 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.240 point where they say, all right, now we're gonna we're 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:40.120 gonna offer you the big deal, or now we're gonna 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:43.920 show you some legitimate aggressiveness or interest in the player. 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:47.080 And I don't think DeAndre Hopkins is all that different. 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.920 So that's where things stand now, turning the page to 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:54.440 our our training camp preview, here a little bit where 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.440 we're gonna operate under the assumption offensively and that wide receiver. 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:00.040 When we get to wide receivers specifically, that deal and 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:02.520 Hopkins is not a patriot untill he's a patriot, He's 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:05.360 not a patriot, right, So just putting that caveat aside, 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.800 I do want to start with the quarterbacks. I think 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:10.920 the biggest thing from a training camp perspective. We've talked 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.400 about how you're not really gonna learn what we need 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:17.160 to learn about the quarterbacks and about Mac Jones in August, 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.240 like this is more a conversation for like January. But 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:22.720 in terms of what we've seen so far, I'm not 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:24.960 expecting and we're not expecting. I think I can speak 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.680 for you on this to see a quarterback competition in 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:29.280 two weeks, Like, I don't think we're going to be 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:31.600 seeing what we saw a couple of years ago with 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:34.160 Cam Newton and Mac or Cam Newton and Jared Stidham 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.040 and Brian Hoyer in the twenty twenty season. I don't 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:38.760 think we're going to get into that sort of thing 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.040 this offseason, which I do believe and I'm on the 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.480 record with saying is a good thing. I think it's 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.760 a waste of time. I don't think that it's really 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.840 something that bet ifits anybody, if the two players were 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:50.720 if I really thought bailey 'z appy was like a 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.480 potential long term anser. Then maybe when it was like 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.520 Cam Newton versus Mac, like totally different scenario, right right, 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:58.880 this is I feel like the best thing interested the 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.600 team is to go in all in one more year 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:03.720 with Mac and see where you come out with it. 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:07.120 I know that they were teasing me on unfiltered about 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:11.080 seeing Mac yesterday and and chatting with him really quickly. 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.000 But the one thing that I'm not gonna tell the 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.000 story again, but the one thing that I'll take away 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.640 from that he does look good, Alex, do you like 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.040 hearing that he does look good? Yeah, he looks swoll, 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:20.839 he looks a little thing. 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.040 Wait, it's almost the best shape of his life season, So. 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.400 I don't I'm not gonna say best shape of his 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.839 life because I don't know the best shape he's been 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:30.439 in his life. I don't know if he would agree 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:35.319 with that statement. I also don't know, you know, I 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.320 don't know how much it means, probably nothing. But what 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:42.240 I will say is that he looks he looks ripped like, 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.160 he looks like he's in good shape. He looks like 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:47.839 he's ready to go. He he sounds like he's ready 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.280 to go. So I think that the quarterback's in a 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:53.360 good mindset right now, and we'll see what happens. But 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:57.280 my big thing with the quarterbacks remains consistent, and that 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:02.120 is you don't necessari I'm not at contract stage. I 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.200 know the fifth year options coming up next off season. 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.920 They do have some sort of deadline to make a 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:11.600 contract decision. What I'm more interested in is is Mac 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:13.200 a truck or is he a trailer? 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:13.320 Like? 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.480 Is he somebody that can put the team on his back? 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.520 Is he somebody that can lead them to wins? Or 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.959 is he somebody that they're simply going to win with 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:25.240 and if they're gonna only win with him. I'm not 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.400 as against that as I think some other people are. 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:32.680 Like to some people, I'm just generalizing, you either have 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.400 Patrick Mahomes or you don't. You either have Tom Brady 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.080 or you don't, and everybody it's it's like Patrick Mahomes, 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.400 it's Joe Burrow and maybe for some people not you, 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:43.600 but for some people it's Josh Allen And then like 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.480 everybody else just stinks right like that that's how some 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:49.120 people operate. I'm not like that. I do think that 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:53.720 you can win with more of like a serviceable average 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.960 game manager, whatever whatever name you want to put on 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:01.120 it type of quarterback. But again, if they picked that road, 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.760 then they need to reflect that in the way that 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:06.800 they build up the rest of the ross around him. 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.160 They can't keep doing the same things that they did 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.520 with Brady if they don't have an elite level quarterback. 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:17.319 I'm not ruling out elite for mac Jones. I don't 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.400 think it's gonna be a leap intol elite status. But 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.800 I'm not ruling out a significantly better season for mac 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:26.920 Jones then maybe even his rookie year in terms of 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:28.920 esthetic Like I don't know if the statistics will be 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.319 a lot better than his rookie year, but like how 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.560 it looks and how it feels, I think that we 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.240 could be taught having a much different conversation in six months. 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.240 Yeah, I mean, I think he can be better than 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.480 he was as a rookie. Absolutely. I agree with a 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.360 lot of what you said. You know, we're not gonna 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:45.560 get the reel answer on him until least Thanksgiving. None 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.280 of that's happening in camp. The one thing I'll be 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:51.200 looking for for mac Jones and camp specifically, is how 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.520 comfortable does he look in the pocket, because last year, 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.920 the first inclination that something was wrong was he was 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.920 sped up. And I I feel like I give this 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.000 explanation a lot, but I think it's really important for 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.360 people to understand this. What sped up means. And every 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:11.320 quarterback in their career has gotten sped up to some extent. 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.079 Tom Brady would get sped up on the time from 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.120 time to time. What sped up means is, you know, 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.480 for an example, on a given play, okay, I need 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:21.719 three seconds to get like the route it's gonna take 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:23.680 three seconds to develop. You know I have three seconds 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:25.840 to get this ball out, and you know you're gonna 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.160 have the three seconds. Now, if all of a sudden 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.320 you start getting hit at two point five, two point 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.640 six seconds, then all of a sudden your internal timings 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:36.600 thrown off, and then you start rushing things because even then, 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:39.559 when you have the time, you don't know if you do. 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:43.400 And Mac behind that offensive line last year and in 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.000 an offense where the route patterns didn't match up with 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:47.600 what he was being asked to do, and they didn't 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.719 match up with each other, the timing was all off, 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.280 and he got sped up and he never they were 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.760 never able to reset his internal clock. Yeah, and everything 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:01.080 snowballed from there. So and look, some times, like I said, 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.160 Tom Brady would get sped up in individual games here 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.520 and there, and he was very good about all right, 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.120 I'm just gonna, you know, gota calm down, reset and 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.480 they'll figure it out now. He also played behind much 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.240 better offensive lines than what Mac Jones might play behind 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.079 this year, especially at the tackle position. But some quarterbacks 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.200 get sped up and they recover. Some quarterbacks get sped 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:21.880 up and they never recover. That's what happened to Josh Rosen. 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.520 Josh Rosen played behind the worst offensive line the NFL 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.240 see in the last ten years, and he was panicky 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.080 the rest of his career in the pocket. He never 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.480 got over that. I'm not saying Mac Jones is gonna 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.439 be Josh Rosen because I don't think he ever got 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.320 sped up to that extent. But the biggest thing for 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:39.280 me in camp is does he look comfortable in the pocket? 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:41.600 Does he look confident in the pocket? Is he stepping 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.480 into throws? Is he rushing throws? All of that? Was 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.120 he able to kind of reset himself mentally from where 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.760 he was at last year dealing with that pass rush. Now, 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.040 I think O'Brien's offense is really gonna help because it's 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.800 a quick release offense. He's not gonna have as many 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.200 instances where he's sitting back in the pocket for three 0:13:57.320 --> 0:13:59.000 three and a half four seconds. It's gonna be more 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:02.480 two to two and a half con But you know, again, 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.839 we're not gonna get the big picture answer on mac 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.160 Jones that everybody wants in that fifty year option. We 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.200 can't even start talking about that until like Thanksgiving, But 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:13.640 that's gonna be the first inclination again, is how comfortable 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:14.560 does he look in the pocket? 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:16.280 Yeah, it's it's a great point. And I think that 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:20.200 it goes back to what I always think about it 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:24.280 with any play, but with quarterbacks especially is what is 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:28.640 mac Jones's carrying trait? Like what is his best attributes 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:33.120 that allow him to whatever level of quarterback you think 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:35.280 he was a couple of years ago, but like just 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.440 be in the NFL, Like just be a starting quarterback. 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:41.800 And it's his accuracy and especially his an intermediate accuracy 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:43.480 and his football like Q. And I think the offense 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:46.080 he was in for the majority last year minimized those 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:48.160 traits and that's why a lot of people are sitting 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:50.440 here saying, well, what exactly is it that Mac Jones 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:52.800 does best. It's hard to tell because last year the 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:54.920 things he does best weren't put on display, right. 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:58.800 And that's if he can get back to being that 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:04.720 smart and thinctive, quick decision making, accurate thrower that he 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.560 was at Alabama and that he was in his rookie 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:10.680 season with the Patriots, then I think their offense it 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:14.720 will be fine. I definitely still have question marks about 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.760 his ceiling as a quarterback in this league. You know what, 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.680 what are that's fair? What are his physical ceilings? You know? 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.840 What is his ability to create it out of structure 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.240 as a big one obviously nowadays with all these mobile 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.800 and athletic quarterbacks playing the position, but also just his 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.480 ability to put the team on his back in the 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.120 clutch moments and some of those intangible type of things 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:37.920 like I'm not a big clutch guy like I take 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:39.680 which is kind of hard to believe when you watch 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.120 Tom Brady for twenty years. 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:44.400 But I'm just I still, well, is it possible that 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:45.280 you take it for granted? 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.080 No? I just think that like what you're when you say, 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.200 like a quarterback like Brady's clutch. What you're just really 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.120 saying is that Tom Brady's really freaking good. 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:58.920 Right, So, like, no, there's something for some players struggle 0:15:58.960 --> 0:15:59.840 in big moments. 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:02.600 I guess. But if you look at like the like 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.720 the leaders in fourth quarter comebacks and game winning drives, right, 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.480 it's just the greatest quarterbacks of all time. Okay, the 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:10.680 problem is oh okay, so like Tom Brady and Peyton 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:12.920 Manning are one and two. But I would for quarter 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:14.560 comebacks like shocker. 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.680 I would say the fourth quarter comeback. And this is 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:20.600 completely different conversation, but the fourth quarter comeback stat itself 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:23.720 is flawed, not the concept of clutch. Because if you 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.360 get the ball to start a third quarter down two 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:30.000 start or towards the end of the third quarter down 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:31.840 to start driving down the field, getting a field goal, 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.600 arrange third quarter ends, first play the fourth quarter, you 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.760 kick a field goal, yeah, and then you put up 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.000 and then you know, next defense possession, you get to 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.120 pick six. Now you're up two scores, you coast the 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:44.200 rest of the way. That's a fourth quarter comeback. No, yeah, 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.920 I know there's some subject the stats. I would say 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.400 that clutch is an unmeasurable clutch. It's just an unmeasurable 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:51.280 That's fine. 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:54.120 I just again, I feel like the quarterbacks that win 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.040 playoff games and there clutch tend to just be the 0:16:56.040 --> 0:17:00.200 good quarterbacks. But that's besides the point. It's a semantics argument. Yeah, 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.320 But I think the biggest thing with Mac is, you know, 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.359 he has to give back to those carrying traits, like 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.760 that's what makes you great. And I think last year 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.800 at times, a lot of it was what they were 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:15.720 asking him to do. Like you laid out, it felt 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:19.480 like he was trying too too hard to like be 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.720 a playmaker back there and let and make things happen. 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:27.119 And when he's at his best, it just it's in rhythm, 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:29.800 it's in sync, and it just kind of he's just 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:32.800 distributing the ball so that it just happens on it naturally, right. 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.840 There's it's not forced. Like when you watch Mac at Alabama, 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.080 and I know it's a different game and he played 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.159 with all these receivers YadA, YadA, YadA, we all know. 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:44.120 But when you watch him at Alabama, it never looked hard, right, 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:46.280 And it never looked hard. It never looked like he 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.800 was forcing the issue. It never looked like he had 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:51.119 to pull something out of his out of his back 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:54.960 pocket or anything like that. And that's when I'm gonna 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.479 know that Mac is back on the right track is 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:01.640 when last year it looked hard for him. It looked overwhelming, 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:06.159 He looked overwhelmed, he was frustrated. It showed visibly, but 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.720 it also showed on the film like at what point 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:11.720 it needs to look easy for him again? And he's 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:15.720 that type of guy. He's not. I think sometimes that 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:17.919 it looks hard for Josh Allen to play quarterback, but 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.960 he's just so physically gifted that it doesn't matter a 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.560 lot of the time, right he just overcomes it. I 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:27.160 think Mac Jones is a natural quarterback that just needs 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:29.919 to make it look easy. And we'll see if you 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:31.720 can get back to that. And the last thing you 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:34.320 mentioned pressure he missed the patients in the pocket. A 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:39.080 lot of that comes from knowing where your answers are right, 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:40.760 and I think that's when it comes back to the 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.800 coordination too, Like if they have this blitz on, like 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.000 how are we sliding the protection, how are we picking 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.919 it up? Where's the hot route? Where's the distribution? Like 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.280 where am I getting the football out to? Like those 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.720 types of things are really really key. We got a 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:55.960 cool email. I want to read an email right off 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.919 the top. This is from Jeremiah, who is one of 0:18:59.920 --> 0:19:03.600 the lucky thirty kids that got to catch passes from 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:07.920 Mac Jones yesterday at his clinic here at ja Led 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:12.200 Stadium from the YMCA. I'm sorry, I'm blanking on where 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:15.440 the YMCN was located, but he's actually a big fan 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.399 of the show. Apparently. Oh nice, And he emailed it 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:21.040 and he said, yesterday I was fortunate enough to catch 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:23.720 passes from Mac and from first hand point of view, 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:25.520 he did have a first hand point of view, it 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.480 felt like he had some good velocity on the ball, 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:31.800 so you know, to throw that. Phil Perry posted on 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:35.600 Twitter it wasn't seventy yards in the air, okay, That 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:38.879 football field is in the full hundred. That aside, it 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:41.440 was probably like sixty right, like fifty to sixty yards 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.639 in the air. I'm not good with I'm terrible at that. 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.719 Like the landmarks and stuff, I'm terrible at it. I 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:50.600 need rulers. Anyways, I was standing on the far end 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:53.440 of the end zone from where he was throwing the football. 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:56.520 You can actually see me in my gray polo off 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:59.119 to the side if you look really closely. So I 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:02.000 was to se in the far side of the field 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:05.320 from where he was throwing that ball, and you could 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.120 hear it. You could hear it like you could hear 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.160 the wiz, the whizzing right of the ball going through 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:14.400 the air. And I actually said to one of our 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:17.280 our social guys I was standing next to me, I 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:19.920 said that, you know, the ball that's got some zip 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:21.959 on it, like these are these are some These are 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:24.280 some fastballs. You know. He wasn't like going easy on 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:26.640 these kids. He was. He was throwing some some real 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:29.320 darts out there. I do think he looks a little 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:32.120 bit stronger. I do think the ball's coming out well. 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:35.560 I think his mechanics look good. Now, granted this was 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:38.840 against air with absolutely no competition on the field whatsoever. 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.280 But that's what it comes down to, uh for mac 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:46.520 is we even last year, even with as big of 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.720 a disaster as it was around him last year, his 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:52.920 kept clean numbers were still good. He grated out well 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:55.840 when he was kept clean. His passer rating was over 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.760 one hundred when he was kept clean. In the pocket, 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:01.880 we know that he can throw, He can go out 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:03.960 there and sling it like that. All day long. He 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.760 can do it. The question is going to ultimately be 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:10.040 a we can he do it under pressure? Can he 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:12.240 do it under duress? Can he do it from a 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:15.520 muddied pocket when he can't step into it and really 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:17.600 put his weight behind the football and he has to 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:19.280 just kind of flick the wrists? Like can he get 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:19.640 it there? 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:20.040 Like? 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:21.320 Those are the things that are going to be the 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:23.600 big thing. But Jeremiah your one hundred percent right. That 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:25.400 ball had some heat on it yesterday. 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:27.919 But the other thing is, you know, I remember if 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:29.520 he called it a catchable ball, like when he came 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:31.720 out all the receivers, all the Pitcher series, the kid 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:34.919 caught that pass. Oh yeah, that's impressive. It was a 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:37.800 great catch. Yeah, doesn't say now my first. 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:40.520 Route because obviously I wasn't like really thinking of football 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:43.719 implications of Mac Jones throwing passes to teenagers, right, So 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:46.600 I wasn't standing there great in the throws or anything. 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:49.360 But it was a hell of a catch. I don't 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:51.680 think I could have caught that. Honestly, I'm going to 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:53.560 be honest about it. I don't think I would have 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:56.600 caught it. It had zip it and it was deep, 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:58.520 you know, we're talking about fifty yards. I think it 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:00.840 was probably if I'm going to be I might say 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:02.800 it was like fifty five to sixty. I'm gonna say 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:05.399 it was probably like fifty to fifty five. But regardless, 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:08.600 it was a good throw. Let's move on to to 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:10.720 running backs here and then we'll take some of these 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:14.960 calls after that. So with running backs, you know, I 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:17.160 think we didn't really do the one big thing thing. 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:19.480 I'm gonna tee that up better this time. Yeah, my 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:22.520 one big thing with running backs is Pierre Strong. I'm 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:26.080 gonna continue hit hammering the table for Pierre Strong. Look, 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:28.760 I'm a sucker for big plays. I'm a sucker for 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:33.000 explosive offense, and there just aren't that many guys on 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:37.880 this roster that have that big play capability outside of 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:41.280 Pierre Strong and probably Taekwon Thornton, right, Like, those are 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:44.240 the two guys that can really bring that speed element. 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:47.480 If I'm Bill O'Brien, other than remondros Stevenson. Of course, 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:49.720 I'm trying to find ways to get Pierre Strong to 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:53.720 football in space. And it's not that it's not that complicated, 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:56.000 Like we're not putting too much on his play just 0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:58.600 throw him the screen here or there, hand the ball 0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:01.480 off to him, and so subpackage looks where there's some 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:04.440 space to run. Maybe hit him on a swing pass 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:06.639 coming out of the backfield. Every once in a while, 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:09.520 let's just see what Pierre Strong can do with the 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:11.640 football in his hands. And I would also say that 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:13.800 that being my one big thing, that running back is 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.360 also tied to some of the free agent running backs 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:18.960 that are available that we've talked about a lot, Dalvin Cook, 0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:23.159 Zeke Elliott, Leonard Fournette. If it's not coming together for 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:26.119 Pierre Strong and it doesn't look like he's gonna be 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:30.120 somebody that you can count on in year two, if 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:33.560 some of those guys are unsigned May and August, you know, 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:36.720 going into that big like ten day layoff between the 0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:39.720 third preseason game and the first regular season game in 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:42.119 the opener against the Eagles, and you're not really feeling 0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:45.720 great about Pierre Strong and Kevin Harris, then maybe it's 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:48.000 time to call Zeke, right, Like, maybe that's when you 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:50.840 make one of those phone calls. So it's twofold one. 0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:53.960 I think that he is a legitimate, big play weapon 0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:56.040 that they should get involved and see, even if it's 0:23:56.119 --> 0:23:58.520 just four or five times a game just to try 0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:00.240 to get him a touch and get him out in 0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:02.240 the open field. I'd love to see that, but you 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:04.680 also have to see something from him to be able 0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:06.960 to put some pressure or to be able to back 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:10.439 up Ramondri Stevenson and be able to avoid having to 0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:12.080 go into the free agent market, because I do think 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:14.280 we could wake up in six weeks and they might 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:16.120 be signing a running back because they don't feel great 0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:16.439 about it. 0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:18.159 So I'm actually gonna take a step further back than 0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:20.679 where you're at. My big thing is just what is 0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:23.879 Ramondre Stevenson's role? Yeah, what do we think? Some of 0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:27.040 this goes into preseason as well, But I've said this 0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:29.320 a lot. They overworked him last year. They overworked him 0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:32.040 and he cannot be I don't think any running back 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:34.159 in the modern game, outside of maybe Derek Henry and 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:36.000 even he you start seeing him at the end of 0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:37.600 the year. I don't think any running back in the 0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:39.639 modern game could be like a three hundred and fifty 0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:41.880 touch player. It's just the game's too physical now. 0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:43.760 He is that what like to eighty Last year? 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:47.119 I think it was too was that carries. He was 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:49.639 pretty high up there, and he was fifth in the 0:24:49.720 --> 0:24:51.880 league in touches last year in the regular season, which 0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:56.280 is look, somebody's got to be fifth, obviously, but you 0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:59.000 look at the teams that were ahead of the Patriots there. 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:00.880 It's just it's not sustainable. Two hundred and eighty touches 0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:02.960 last year. But I say three fifty, I meant two 0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:04.640 to fifty. You certainly can't be a three hundred. 0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:08.720 Think I touchdouya nine. 0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:11.679 Yeah, I was like two snaps off on Anthony Jennings 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:15.400 last week and you got odd me for it. So no, 0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:17.200 it is two seventy nine you said to eighty. 0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:19.800 Oh yeah, but giving it to myself. 0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:23.160 I'm not anyway. He needs less of a role. And 0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:25.399 that's not me saying he's bad. I think he's a 0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:28.680 great player. But it's more of a quality over quantity thing. 0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:31.159 I actually think if you take some of the lesser 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:34.280 impact snaps off his plate, he's going to give you 0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:36.560 more in the big moments late in the year. Last year, 0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:39.040 after that Cincinnati game where he fumbled late in the game, 0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:42.399 he admitted that he was kind of banged up. It 0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:44.679 was getting to him. Yeah, So that's what I mean 0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:47.400 by it's not that I think he's bad. I want 0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:49.320 him on the field, but I want him on the 0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:51.679 field at his best. And I remember there was a 0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:53.639 game last year, I don't remember which game it was, 0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:57.240 but they were up like two scores late in the game, 0:25:57.680 --> 0:25:59.040 h with like a minute and a half to go, 0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:00.879 and they were still giving the bald to Stevenson to 0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:02.520 run out the clock, and it was like, he doesn't 0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:05.399 need to be in the game right now. Kevin Harris, 0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:06.320 Pierre Strong, somebody. 0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:08.000 I think it was Detroit. I don't think they had 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:08.520 another run. 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:10.199 I think it was Detroit. You're right, they didn't have 0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:12.600 another back. So okay, that brings me back to my point, 0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:17.080 like what is his Where are they taking those snaps 0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:19.720 away from? Is he going to be the primary early 0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:23.280 down back and then it's Pierre stronger time Montgomery on 0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:25.720 third down? Is he going to be in that James 0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:28.440 White role and it's Kevin Harris or maybe they signed somebody, 0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:30.320 or maybe it is Pierre Strong. Is a change of 0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:32.560 pace back and then early down back or do they 0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:35.320 just take half of each? Remember this is what it 0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:37.760 looked like they're gonna do last year, before time Montgomery 0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:40.359 got hurt, it looked like they were gonna go away 0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:43.880 from the early down passing down back layout and basically, 0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:46.439 all right, this is a Remandree drive. This is a 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:49.199 Time Montgomery drive. This is a Damien Harris Hraff. I 0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:51.880 actually like that set up better. Now, it's really hard 0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:52.240 to do. 0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:53.960 If you like that set up better than you should 0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:55.520 want Dalvin Cook in this building. 0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:58.200 I never said I don't want Dalvin Cook. I would 0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:00.200 just rather have DeAndre Hawkins. 0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:02.000 H me too. But I'm just saying, like I said this, well, 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:04.480 what about Leonard Fournette if you if you're not gonna 0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:07.760 get DeAndre Hopkins, we're operating on that assumption, Like, wouldn't 0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:10.719 you then just turned to say, let's just go all in? 0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:13.320 Then yeah, I guess see, well I would almost go 0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:14.680 off for Marcus Peters some money. 0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:17.000 But at that point I don't think that they will. 0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:20.120 I don't think they will either. But uh the point, 0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:21.840 going going back to the point and butt, Leonard Fournette 0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:23.320 could do this too if they don't get cooked. Right, 0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:24.960 But it was like, all right, this is a Remondre 0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:26.800 drive all the way through, whatever the situation. This is 0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:28.240 a Time on Coverage drive all the way through. This 0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:30.920 is Damien Harris drive all the way through. I wouldn't 0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:33.639 hate them going back to that format either. But before 0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:36.119 we can get into is Pierre Strong the guy to 0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:39.000 replace James White? Is Kevin Harris ready to take on 0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:41.159 a more regular early down back roll? And those are 0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:44.120 all good questions that we'll start answering as well. That's 0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:47.320 a big position battle, essentially the second running back, But 0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:49.239 we don't know what the second running backs duties are 0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:50.840 going to be because there was no second running back. 0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:53.560 That's the true point, right, So let's figure out what 0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:56.600 Ramondre Stevenson's doing. And then when we find out, all right, 0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:58.800 here's what Ramondre's doing, here's what the other guy's doing, 0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:00.760 then we can look at it and say, okay, here's 0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:03.880 the one right, here's what the responsibility is for RB two. 0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:07.000 Who fits it best? Because Strong, Harris, and Montgomery are 0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:09.119 all very different players. Yeah, they all bring very different 0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:11.760 things to the table. So that is you're like the 0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:13.720 thing about Pierre Strong. I'm not saying you're wrong, but 0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:15.680 I think to know what the running back this is 0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:17.959 gonna be, it all starts with Andre Stevenson. We need 0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:19.200 to know what his role is going to be, and 0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:19.960 then we go from there. 0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:21.080 So I want to spend this for it and I'm 0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:22.600 sorry to the calls, but we're like on a roll 0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:24.160 here and I don't want to I want to get 0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:26.080 this out first. We're gonna get to you in the second. 0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.639 I promise. I wanted to talk about tight ends for 0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:30.679 a second because to me, this I think is like 0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:34.480 the biggest X factor of this team offensively, assuming again, 0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:38.120 no Hopkins, no external ad right, I think the biggest 0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:43.760 X factor for this team right now is Hunter Henry 0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:47.440 and Mikeasicki coexisting and being a better duo than Jona 0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:50.600 Smith and Hunter Henry. Because if this tight end duo 0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:55.200 can really be a factor this year, I think it 0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:59.640 helps the team into two ways. One obviously, it helps 0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:01.560 the team because those guys are going to be productive 0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:04.520 and that just inherently helps the team on an individual 0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:06.719 level that they're going to be productive. But I think 0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:08.520 the other thing that it really helps the team with 0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:13.479 is they become one of those twelve personnel offenses that 0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:16.640 is really multiple and now what you can really do 0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:20.560 is you have an answer to whatever test the defense 0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:23.840 throws out on the field against you. When I'm talking 0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:27.480 more personnel wise than schematically like and then like you know, 0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:33.600 actual play design personnel wise, if defenses match their twelve 0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:37.480 personnel with standard nickel, that means that somebody is getting 0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:40.920 a linebacker in coverage, right It just by the sheer 0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:44.400 numbers of it. Somebody is getting a linebacker in coverage, 0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:48.440 whether it's Kasiki or Henry or Remandre right or one 0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:50.920 of the running backs Juju in the slot, like, somebody 0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:54.720 is facing a linebacker in coverage and invanted Patriots. Now, 0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:59.560 if they put dime defense out there, then now you 0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:03.120 have two tight ends. And let's just say for argument's sake, 0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:05.880 right now it's Remandre. Well, now you can go under 0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:08.200 center and you can run the football down their throats. Right, 0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:10.080 you got six dbs on the field. We have two 0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:12.920 tight ends. We got this workhorse back in Remondre's two 0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:15.840 hundred and twenty pounds. Here it comes at you, stop it. 0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:20.040 So I think that in order for that to happen, though, 0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:24.080 they have to be really productive passing the football out 0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:27.040 of twelve personnel like that has to be a carrying 0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:29.600 trait for the offense, right, they have to be able 0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:32.600 to say we can threaten out of this grouping in 0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:35.360 the passing game, and if they can do that, then 0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:38.440 they might be able to force teams either they're just 0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:40.080 gonna be better right and they're going to move the 0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:42.400 ball through the air, or they might be able to 0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:44.640 force teams to play lighter defense, which isn't going to 0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:46.760 allow him to run the football. So I think that 0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:49.480 that's why twelve personnel and this is something that Bill 0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:56.040 O'Brien is fantastic at. He's really good at using indicators 0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:58.840 and using formations to threaten defense. He loves empty, right, 0:30:58.840 --> 0:30:59.920 We've talked about that a ton. 0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:02.320 Well, that's why Tome Montgomery is so interesting to just 0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:03.680 add onto it, because they. 0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:06.600 Can play running back and he can play wide receiver, 0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:11.480 so they theoretically, and I think Remadre could do it 0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:13.680 too because he's so talented, so I think he could 0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:18.680 do it too. Theoretically, they can be an under center 0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:23.640 twelve personnel offense and an empty twelve personnel offense at 0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:26.760 the same time. Right, and then you get into some 0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:29.680 of the things that they used to do with vintage O'Brien, 0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:35.960 like twenty eleven Patriots pace empty, no huddle, right, like yeah, 0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:38.720 and then all of a sudden you get let's say 0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:42.040 they get Week one against Philly, and they really like 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:45.400 running the football against Philly's dime package, like they think 0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:48.160 that's a true advantage for them. If you can get 0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:52.000 their dime package on the field against your twelve personnel, well, 0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:54.200 now you go no huddle, and now they can't substitute, 0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.720 and now you get them stuck in these personnel groupings. 0:31:57.000 --> 0:31:59.280 This is what the Patriots used to do when they 0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:01.360 were humming, like when they were at their best. The 0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:03.160 other thing that they would really do a lot of 0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:07.320 is use it to their advantage for coverage indicators. If 0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:10.560 you put Remandra Stevenson out on the boundary and he's 0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:14.000 technically your outside receiver, if he gets followed by a 0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:17.880 linebacker outside, what is it? It's man coverage. Linebacker is 0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:21.160 not playing the deep third in zone coverage, right, it's man. 0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:23.680 If he gets followed by a corner or a corner 0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:26.640 just bumps over and takes him, then it all of 0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.240 a sudden. You can see that at zone coverage. So 0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:32.960 it's two things. It's one it's formations, right, it gives 0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:36.080 you advantages in terms of matchups within the formation, but 0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:39.360 it's also pre snap coverage indicators of is it man 0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:41.680 or zone based off of how they match the tight ends, 0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:44.080 how they match the backs and things like that. How 0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:47.520 many times did we used to see with Brady they 0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:51.320 would get a look pre snap they'd go five wide 0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:53.920 empty and like sometimes James Devlin would like be all 0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:55.880 the way out here, and they would see that the 0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:58.280 linebacker was out there with him, and then they would 0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:00.400 know it was man coverage. So then they would throw 0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:04.160 a seam to like Juliet Edelman against a linebacker because 0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:07.360 this corner is stuck on James Devlin, right, or something 0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:10.200 like that. Or how many times would we see them 0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:12.880 get this five wide look? They look at it, they say, 0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:15.200 the defense is in a pretty good shell against what 0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:18.200 they're throwing, and all of a sudden, Brady calls everybody 0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:21.040 back in and now we're under center against dime defense 0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:22.840 and we're running the football because that's the look that 0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:25.600 the defense gives them. Those are the types of things 0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:27.280 that I want to see the Patriots be able to 0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:29.280 get back to. But all of it to me, and 0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:30.880 this is why it's my one big thing with the 0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:33.080 tight ends, all of it to be comes back to 0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:35.960 You can only do that if you're productive out of 0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:38.920 twelve personnel, right, and the problem was that the reason 0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:42.080 why they use twelve personnel so few and far between, 0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:45.880 relatively speaking with Johnny Smith and Hunter Henry is because 0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:47.800 they weren't a good offense with the two of them 0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:50.360 on the field together. They were a better offense with 0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:53.000 just using one at a time. If they're gonna be 0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:56.480 if they're gonna max out their personnel, then it's got 0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:58.720 to be both of them together. And I think that 0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.920 that's gonna be a huge, huge, sort of tipping point 0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:04.400 for the whole offense. And that's why it's my one 0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:07.320 big thing for tight ends. I think like getting into 0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:10.560 like Johnny Lumpkin and Scottie Washington is a little bit. 0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:14.400 You know, that's training camp fodder for sure, but in 0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:17.160 terms of the big picture, it's got to be they've 0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:19.200 got to be a twelve personnel base. They have to 0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:21.319 be able to rely on that, and that's how they 0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:24.480 can really mess with defenses and have an answer. 0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:26.880 So you're gonna hate my one big thing for wide receivers. 0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:29.160 Okay, well we'll get to it in a second. Let's 0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:30.879 take some of the calls they've been waiting. All right, 0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:33.279 Sean and Vancouver kick us off. What's up? 0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:38.680 Sean, Hey, excuse the noise. I'm on a I guess 0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:42.480 a foot passenger ferry. We call the SeaBus here, so 0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:44.640 you hear that rumpling in the background. Just got a 0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:47.520 couple of things, Evan, I want to get to what 0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:50.239 you were asking before in regards to truth here for 0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:54.799 Robert Kraft about the payments, and just remind blisters we're 0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:56.879 talking about his hall of fame. I mean, if you're 0:34:56.920 --> 0:35:01.319 thinking about the Patriots history of dynasty, really a lot 0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:05.280 of people argue that it's Belichick versus Brady, but really 0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:09.000 the real answer is all three was Robert Kraft, Belichick, 0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:11.480 and Brady. They all contributed, and they all helped each 0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:14.959 other and built that gynasty for twenty years. And that's 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.239 only one of the reasons that he belonged in the 0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:20.480 Hall of Fame. But when you when you ask him, 0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:24.799 and here's my educated guest, about payments, about salary, about 0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:29.560 any of that, you know, Robert Kraft the first decisions 0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:31.880 like that, when he's not the expert, he's going to 0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:35.440 bring in people that are experts. So I don't think 0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:39.120 he had any kind of limit on that. I don't 0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:42.440 think he would put his decisions. I don't think Belichick 0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:44.360 even went to him with that kind of stuff. The 0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:45.920 people in the building that are going to make the 0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:48.960 salar decisions in terms of who they're going to put 0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:50.319 on the team, who they're going to keep, and how 0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:52.920 it's going to work around that, and that's that's how 0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:55.040 they built the team. The other thing I wanted to 0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:58.719 point out, as you were talking to obviously about Stanley Morgan, Yeah, 0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:01.560 he definitely deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. 0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:04.839 And the reason he's not won, well, they never wanted 0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:07.280 to Super Bowl. But also they were a running team 0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:10.000 in a running era. The Patriots never had a really 0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:16.239 strong passing game until I'd say till Bledsoget got there 0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:19.960 in the early nineties. I don't remember any year besides 0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:24.760 eighty six that he had more than like eighty targets, 0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:27.399 Like they weren't counting targets, but the guy didn't drop 0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:31.120 the ball like he just he had like nineteen average 0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:34.239 one over nineteen now yards per catch is incredible. He 0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:37.160 definitely was one of the best receivers in the history 0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:39.280 of the nfls And my second thing that I wanted 0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:43.520 to bring up we were talking earlier about quarterbacks. Good 0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:46.680 quarterback always being clutched. Well, here's one example I think 0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:50.160 that the or not bad is Aaron Rodgers, one of 0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:53.319 the top quarterbacks. I wouldn't consider him clutch And I'll 0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:54.520 leave you guys for comment on that. 0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:57.440 Thanks Sean. Yeah, that's that's true. Aaron Rodgers is probably 0:36:57.760 --> 0:36:59.879 one of the outliers here. Yeah, in terms of that. 0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:03.279 And I look, I brought up the cash spending thing 0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:06.360 because it's a hot topic right now, and I genuinely 0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:08.759 think that I would like to I said, if I 0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:11.319 had some truth serum to give Robert Kraft, I would 0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:14.120 ask him, like, what's the truth behind all that? Right? 0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:17.759 If I could. What a bottom line is is that 0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:21.239 I just think that there's a really nuanced answer to 0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:24.720 how they handle their salary cap and how they handle 0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:27.680 their payroll quite frankly, in terms of the NFL roster, 0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:30.400 in terms of the roster the football team, excuse me, 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:33.799 And I just want to know, like I just want 0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:36.520 to know what's like the forty chests that they're playing 0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:38.759 with the with the payroll, because I know it's not 0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:42.120 as simple as like you know, mister Craft sets a 0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:43.839 budget and Bill has to stick to it, and that's 0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:46.719 that it's it's much more nuanced than that. And I 0:37:46.920 --> 0:37:49.440 think that they're you know, the talk radio fodder is 0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:52.000 about the real cash spending and all that kind of stuff. 0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:55.319 And I would love to hear like an economics one 0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:58.799 on one course on on how they they handle their 0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:05.719 payroll because they are not pumping any tires here. They 0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:08.520 are one of the best, if not the best, salary 0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:12.400 cap management teams in the NFL for twenty plus years. Yes, 0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:16.040 so they whether it's their nerds are great and their 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:19.080 accountants are great, or whatever the case may be, they 0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:22.240 do a really good job. And I'm one hundred percent 0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:24.239 with you on rober Kraft getting into the Hall of Fame, 0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:27.800 hundred percent with you on the steamer Stanley Morgan getting 0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:29.640 into the Hall of Fame mentioned they didn't throw a lot. 0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:32.920 That's probably why. Stanley Morgan, what was the leader in 0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:34.160 yards per catch until like. 0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:37.720 The He's the all time leader and yards per catch 0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:40.640 among receivers with at least five hundred catches nineteen point 0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:41.560 two yards per catch. 0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:45.120 That's absurd, that's wild, especially given the era that he played. 0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:47.640 In the fact that that number or how long ago 0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:50.080 he played, I should say, the fact that number still 0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:53.479 holds up is pretty incredible. Yeah, that's still the case. 0:38:53.520 --> 0:39:00.560 All right, Patty, what's up? Patty? Still I'm a jake, 0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:04.000 So real. 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:07.000 Quick point before I get into my Patriots point, I 0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:10.080 call Aaron Rodgers the greatest front running quarterback in history 0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:13.880 because when he's got to lead, he's almost insurmountable. But 0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:16.759 especially in big games, that guy goes down by one 0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:19.800 score and he's he's coasts, he's done. He doesn't know 0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:26.920 how to play position. My Patriots point regarding mac Evan 0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:29.719 not just the twelve person of all, I just think offensively, 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:34.920 they have to be better everywhere, you know, And like 0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:38.719 I said, uh a few weeks ago, I think that's 0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:40.759 going to be the breakout player because I do think 0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:45.200 he is a smart quarterback. And I mean we thought 0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:49.080 the last great era with Brady and and Nanning, and 0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:52.560 I mean they did they had great arms. They didn't 0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:54.920 have the greatest arms of all time are the best 0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:57.280 arm talent, but they just they were just so smart. 0:39:57.320 --> 0:39:58.920 They knew how to play the game. They knew how 0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:01.920 to been to the late defense. And I think that 0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:04.879 with O'Brien back here on board, I think they're they're 0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:07.360 going to get him the freedom. Hopefully they get the 0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:10.480 freedom to use his great statt which is his brain 0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:13.080 at the line of scrimmage to make plays, you know, 0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:15.359 to get the defense, as you guys like to say, 0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:19.200 you know, put them in stress or however you articulated. 0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:21.920 So that's where I'm coming from. That's what I want 0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:24.040 to see and let's go, baby. I can't wait for 0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:25.040 freaking training Gip. 0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:28.319 I'm with you, Patty, I've been. I told Alex last 0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:30.560 week that I already had the itch. I don't know 0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:33.520 about everybody else. Morrell did, are you Coaston Stiller? Do 0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:34.520 you do you want football? 0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:36.800 One week left? 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:39.560 Yeah? Well yeah, we're all ready to go here. Trust me. 0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:43.160 I can't wait. But I think Mac, you know, I 0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:46.160 that thing was going around Twitter Alex about like the 0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:49.239 top five players on the Patriots faster. I didn't put 0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:53.279 Mac in my group of guys that were in the conversation, 0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:56.160 and you know, a lot I did get some pushback about that. 0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:59.720 And although I don't think that he's in that conversation currently, 0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:03.200 he's probably the one player that I would say that 0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:06.080 that has the best potential to be next year and 0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:08.840 probably needs to be right, and that certainly needs to 0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:12.520 be next year. But I I like what I've seen 0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:14.680 from Max so far in the in the in the spring, 0:41:14.760 --> 0:41:18.160 excuse me, it's obviously spring. It's it's early. But I 0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:22.160 like more importantly, I I like the way he's carried himself, 0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:24.600 in the way that he's he's talked. I think that 0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:27.839 there's a lot to be said for the fact and 0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:30.799 look he's thrown I know your station is a little 0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:32.680 bit more subjective to these types of things than me. 0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:36.520 He's thrown some verbal jabs, potentially in press conferences, even 0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:39.120 in the spring, you know, talking about it being normal 0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:42.560 and like stuff like that compared to last year. But 0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:46.919 for the most part, he has been quiet. He's he's 0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:49.879 kept his door, his mouth kind of shut. He's worked hard, 0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:52.120 he's put his head down, and he's gotten ready for 0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:55.560 the season. He hasn't done press. He hasn't like given 0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:58.320 an exclusive to somebody about how awful the Matt Patricia 0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:01.120 hero was or you know something like that, right, Like, 0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:03.440 he hasn't done any of those types of things. And 0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:05.920 I think he has got a little bit of a 0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:09.040 chip on his shoulder. I'm just that's all I'm gonna 0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:10.960 say about it. But I think he's got it. I 0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:12.960 think he's got a chip. I think he hears it 0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:15.840 and he's not Yeah, definitely, he's not hearing it like 0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:19.040 in like a Braddy of like get off my lawn 0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:21.680 type of way. I think he's hearing it and like 0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:23.800 using it. You know, he's trying to at least. 0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:26.680 Yeah, you know, he's internalizing it. And that's the right 0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:28.799 thing to do, is as long as it doesn't cross 0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:30.239 the line. I think that's what happened last year. I 0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:32.200 think early on it was good and then late in 0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:33.840 the season it just became too much and he crossed 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:36.879 the line. So it's it's it's a bouncing act. Really, 0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:37.400 that's what it is. 0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:37.400 Is. 0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:40.359 Yep. All right, let's get the Todd in North Carolina. Todd. 0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:42.720 First of all, thank you for lunch, Todd. That was funny. 0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:46.880 No problem. My question, my concern has been over the 0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:49.000 last little while, and you guys have been touching on it, 0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:52.160 but nobody's actually brought it up. What is the effect, 0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:54.080 Like you guys are the stat nerds, you'll get this. 0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:57.680 What is the effect on the defense's level of play 0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:00.839 based on the time of offensive possess because we just don't 0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:02.759 keep the ball like we go three and out? 0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:04.760 Like, are we the best. 0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:06.680 Team at going three and out? Like last year? Did 0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:07.759 we have the most three and outs? 0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:10.759 But of any other team, it seems that our defense. 0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:12.120 Gets beat up by the end of the year. And 0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:14.320 this is why older players like Jude and stuff just 0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:16.880 don't have anything less in the tank. So how are 0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:19.080 we going to deal with that this year? Like a yeah, 0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:22.440 is this just going to be a total change with 0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:25.400 the new the new coach and system and the linemen 0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:27.239 and stuff. Because if we don't, if we keep going 0:43:27.239 --> 0:43:29.000 three and out, I don't care who we have back there? 0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:30.359 Todd? 0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:30.600 Is it? 0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:32.279 Todd? Is it Todd? 0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:32.560 Yeah? 0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:32.880 Todd? 0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:35.880 That is an awesome call, Todd, Thank you. I have 0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:39.279 been for lunch. The man Evan knows. I'm surprised you 0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:40.759 roll your eyes as soon as he brought that up 0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:42.600 because you knew where I was going. How much have 0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:45.040 I been banging the table on this going back to 0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:49.560 the twenty twenty one season, Yeah, you cannot. And it 0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:51.880 was like the Cowboys game the Bucks get Oh the 0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:54.399 defense blew it late? Yeah, well they were getting out 0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:59.680 snapped by thirty plays. Yeah, it's absolutely a factor in 0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:00.520 its got it? 0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:02.120 We hit the button there you go. 0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:05.840 So it's it's something that's gone. I thought it was 0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:07.239 just me. I thought I was yelling into the fog 0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:10.520 shoutouts of ton. No, it's something that nobody. 0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:11.960 Wants to talk about at nuanced talls. 0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:15.480 I know they don't because it's because how dare the 0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:18.080 defense be good? And because how dare the defense be good? 0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:20.080 But and that's not to say the defense has been perfect. 0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:23.520 They've had their issues. But this is it all goes 0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:26.360 back to Super Bowl fifty one. This is the story 0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:29.000 of what happened in Super Bowl fifty one. The Falcons 0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:31.560 scored on quick drives, they scored on a pick six. 0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:35.279 Their defense was on the field a ton through the 0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:37.440 first three quarters of that game, even though they had 0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:40.399 the big lead, and then late they were gassed yea, 0:44:40.520 --> 0:44:43.000 And that, among other things, is what opened the door 0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:43.919 for the Patriots. 0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:47.359 And seventeen os going. It's the same thing. 0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:50.440 The same thing happened in I forget which one it was, 0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:53.759 but the Alabama Clemson National Championship that Hunter Renfro caught the. 0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:56.640 Pass at the end of you're talking like Spanish. 0:44:56.239 --> 0:44:59.200 Alabama had Alabama's defense had been on the field thirty 0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:02.400 five more snaps. Okay, but it's the same thing. It 0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:04.160 happened in the Bucks game a couple years ago, it 0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:06.200 happened in the Cowboys game. I think you saw it 0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:07.799 a little bit in that Vikings game this year, Like. 0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:10.440 That Cowboys game was a big one that I remember that. 0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:13.480 There's been so many games the last few years, and 0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:16.319 this is not like a Matt Patrician thing knocked over 0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:19.319 water bottle. This is not a Mattatrician thing. This goes back. 0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:21.640 There's been so many games that are close. And we 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:23.520 get to the second half. I can like see myself 0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:24.960 doing this up in the press box, and I go 0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:27.800 into the stats page and I look at the play count. 0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:30.520 How many teams does each play run? And even though 0:45:30.520 --> 0:45:32.719 it's a close game, maybe the Patriot are head a 0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:36.080 little bit, the other team offensively has run like thirty 0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:38.759 more plays than the Patriots because Patriots scored on a 0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:40.160 pick six or a big player or something like that. 0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:43.040 And I'm like, here we go. The defense is gonna 0:45:43.040 --> 0:45:45.719 get gased. That is such a great point. They need 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:49.520 more sustained drives. And you know where this is massive, 0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:51.280 Evan is against Buffalo. 0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:55.160 Yeah, because that's been a huge issue against Buffalo Buffalo. 0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:58.680 A big part of the reason Buffalo is as successful 0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:01.560 as they are is they are boom and bust offense 0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:04.880 that creates margin forrer by how quickly they can score. 0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:08.120 They're going to have bad drives, but because they can 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:11.840 score so quickly, they know if they get twelve thirteen 0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:14.759 drives a game, enough of them will be good that 0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:17.200 they'll be successful. How do you beat a team like that? 0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:21.640 Ball control, in controlling the clock, in limiting them to 0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:25.080 seven or eight drives, and that's then they have to 0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:27.680 be perfect. It shrinks their margin for error. I think 0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:29.560 it was the Bucks game. I forget which game it was. 0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:31.480 It might have been the Bills game. One of the 0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:33.440 games of twenty twenty one. No, I remember this. We 0:46:33.520 --> 0:46:36.840 had this conversation that my whole key to the game 0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:40.279 was you can't allow them a ninth drive if they 0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:42.520 like they're average per year, whatever we got it for 0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:42.879 the year. 0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:44.880 One makes us a good team because these types of 0:46:45.000 --> 0:46:48.359 like like this just I don't have an eye for it. Well, 0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:51.000 first I'm sewing the weeds on the x's and o's 0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:53.319 in the film and all that, and then Alex is like, well, 0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:54.439 what about the ninth drive? 0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:56.480 And I'm like, well, it's funny because when we first 0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:58.399 started working together, you'd roll your eyes at this because 0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:00.359 you thought it was just nonsense, and then you see 0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:03.200 it play out. I think I can't remember what game 0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:04.120 it was, but there was a game. 0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:06.960 I remember distinctly. The game that I remember off the 0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:09.240 top of my head or the defense was just absolutely 0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:11.880 gassed by the end was the Dallas game. And I 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:15.760 remember because they mac threw the pick six to Trayvon 0:47:15.840 --> 0:47:18.440 Diggs and then through the eighty r touchdown to Kendrick 0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:22.080 Boren on like back to back plays. So the Patriots 0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:25.239 defense was just out there the whole entire game, it 0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:28.160 felt like. And then once they got into overtime and 0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:30.840 the Patriots didn't score on the first possession of overtime 0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:33.160 in the Dallas game, that you knew the Cowboys. The 0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:35.839 defense just had nothing left, like the Cowboys just walked 0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:36.400 down the field. 0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:38.880 So here's what it was. I found it. So it 0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:41.400 was the Tampa game that year, through the first couple 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:44.040 of games whatever that was Week five, right week four, 0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:45.920 Week five through the first however, many games had been 0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:49.800 something like eighty close to ninety percent of their points 0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:52.560 came within their first nine drives. They didn't score late 0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:54.800 in games that I remembri said all week. You can't 0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:57.080 allow them a tenth drive. You got to control the ball. 0:47:57.520 --> 0:48:00.000 Nine drives are fewer. They scored the game winning field 0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:00.879 goal on their tenth drive. 0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:03.360 There you go. And I think the biggest thing. 0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:05.840 Which was like a march of the drive that drained 0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:08.520 the clock because the Patriots defense just they were done. 0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:11.320 Yeah, they were done for me. Look like you just 0:48:11.400 --> 0:48:13.080 laid it out better than I can. So I'm not 0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:14.319 gonna add too much to it. 0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:16.200 A fifteen play sixty eight yard drive. 0:48:16.400 --> 0:48:19.839 The I feel like I've always I feel like I'm 0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:22.000 on my soap box with the Patriots defense. Defending the 0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:25.440 Patriots defense a lot because and I'm not saying this 0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:26.759 like to be snarkyars I. 0:48:26.680 --> 0:48:28.080 Am too, and I'm not ashamed of it. 0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:31.080 To be pretentious or whatever. I watch a lot of 0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:33.120 of football during the season. I watch a lot of 0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:35.880 other defenses. I watch a lot of other defenses film, 0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:38.759 you know, to get ready for the next game, to 0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:41.840 preview the next game, and I'll i'll and in defenses 0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:44.200 against the Patriots offense and so on and so forth. 0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:50.799 And the Patriots defense to me is hands down, consistently 0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:52.279 over the last couple of years, been one of the 0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:55.560 best defenses to watch on film in the NFL. And 0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:57.880 they get this paper tiger label from a lot of 0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:00.479 people because they don't go toe to toe with Josh 0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:02.560 Allen and they don't shut out the Bills, or they 0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:06.040 don't you know, Lamar Jackson has a huge game on them, 0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:08.920 or justin Fields in that Monday night game, which granted 0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:11.360 was a bad game, and yeah, that was just not 0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:13.160 letting them off the hook for it. But my point, 0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:16.080 my general point is is that I would like to 0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:20.080 see the Patriots defense and how they would look if 0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:22.240 the offense is pulling the rope in the same direction, 0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:26.120 if the offense is playing complimentary football, if the offense 0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:29.640 is sustaining drives at the offense is you know, breaking 0:49:29.719 --> 0:49:33.080 even on play counts in time of possession, if the 0:49:33.120 --> 0:49:35.960 offense is putting up thirty points in a game. Yeah, 0:49:36.640 --> 0:49:39.560 if you're telling me that the offense is holding its 0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:43.480 end of the bargain, how does the Patriots defense look then, 0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:47.080 Because when the Patriots defense gets into a game, their 0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:50.360 margin over the last couple of years, and certainly last 0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:53.040 year was basically like, if you hold it, don't hold 0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:55.560 this offense to twenty points or under, we're losing. 0:49:55.880 --> 0:49:58.279 Well, And that's not fair. Point, it's not fair. As 0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:01.600 much as that stat makes me roll my eyes. Everybody say, oh, 0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:03.680 the Patriots defense, they can't beat these good quarterbacks, but 0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:05.799 a lot of you're in the game late. You can 0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:08.439 only ask the unit to do so much and if 0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:11.239 it I'm not gonna fault them. I'm not gonna fault 0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:13.120 the defense for giving up a touchdown on the last 0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:15.280 drive of a game that they lose seventeen to fourteen. 0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:18.160 We had this conversation a couple of years ago Evan 0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:21.960 on a previous show that what an elite defense. You're 0:50:22.000 --> 0:50:24.319 never gonna see the two thousand Baltimore Ravens again. You're 0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:26.319 never gonna see the two thousand and two Tampa Buccaneers again. 0:50:26.320 --> 0:50:29.239 You're never gonna see two thousand four Patriots again. The 0:50:29.680 --> 0:50:31.880 definition of an elite defense in the modern age is 0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:36.080 very different. It's basically, can you give your offense enough 0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:37.400 of a chance to go punch for punch at the 0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:40.279 end every single week? Because I know that sounds like 0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:41.600 not a lot, Oh, can you just keep them in 0:50:41.640 --> 0:50:43.319 the game? There are a lot of defenses that more 0:50:43.360 --> 0:50:45.080 often than not can't even keep their team in the game, 0:50:45.160 --> 0:50:47.600 no matter how good the offense. And that's what this 0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:49.480 defense does. They keep the offense in the game. More 0:50:49.560 --> 0:50:51.920 often than not, they just can't finish it. I do 0:50:51.960 --> 0:50:55.080 want to say so. First off, I have here Super 0:50:55.120 --> 0:50:58.200 Bowl fifty one. The Patriots ran. I have to do. 0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:00.839 They always comes back to twenty eight to three. It 0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:01.759 always comes back. 0:51:01.840 --> 0:51:06.399 The Patriots ran eighty eight offensive plays to the Falcons 0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:07.440 forty three. 0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:08.600 Wow. 0:51:09.920 --> 0:51:11.759 You think that's the extreme to. 0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:14.480 Think that that happened in a game where the Falcons 0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:16.960 once led twenty eight to three, but that had that 0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:18.200 kind of played discrepancy. 0:51:18.280 --> 0:51:21.320 Sorry, forty one forty one, Yeah, eighty eight to forty 0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:23.440 one was the place. From that one on a napkin. 0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:25.360 I was about to but then you threw back to 0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:27.879 me too quickly the other one. And and by the way, 0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:30.640 shout out to whoever put in the chat, shout out 0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:33.120 to what shout out who ever put in the chat correctly? 0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:35.120 That how does he not get that? I don't get 0:51:35.120 --> 0:51:37.839 that at all. That Alabama would have won the twenty 0:51:37.880 --> 0:51:40.640 seventeen National championship had both Scarborough not broken his leg. 0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:46.280 Alabama's offense in that game ran sixty six plays. 0:51:47.040 --> 0:51:48.080 We're not doing Alabama. 0:51:48.160 --> 0:51:54.279 Clemson ran ninety nine plays ninety a ball game. But no, 0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:56.440 But this is the point, this is the point. You 0:51:56.520 --> 0:51:58.560 can't ask your defense for much on the ninety ninth 0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:01.120 play of the game. At that point, you failed them. Yes, 0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:02.960 if they're on the field for ninety nine places. 0:52:03.160 --> 0:52:05.240 What it comes down to me is, let's just see 0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:08.759 the Patriots defense through a large sample size where the 0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:11.879 offense is also doing its part and it's not. That's 0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:15.200 the biggest thing. If you go into a game defensively 0:52:15.880 --> 0:52:18.680 and your margin of error is so razor within that 0:52:18.800 --> 0:52:20.920 essentially you have to hold that team to like twenty 0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:24.600 one points, twenty points or you know, you're automatically done right, 0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:27.439 Like just imagine playing defense like it's not a defense issue. 0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:28.080 Ye at that point? 0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:29.799 All right, let's take this last call and then we'll 0:52:29.840 --> 0:52:32.720 get back to the camp stuff. Matthews in New Mexico. 0:52:32.760 --> 0:52:33.480 It's up, Matthew. 0:52:34.880 --> 0:52:36.080 Hey, how's it going, guys? 0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:37.120 Thank Evan. 0:52:37.280 --> 0:52:39.560 I called it on PU about the defense, but that 0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:43.799 is a good part about the offense. That and I'm 0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:47.920 thinking about now, but I'm calling this is kind of 0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:50.560 how I make sure to like Bill with like the offense. 0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:53.560 It could be like his neighbor, you know, like Bill, 0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:56.200 like you know, there's a lot of playmakers in the league, 0:52:56.280 --> 0:52:59.640 Like are you guys going to hire any playmakers? And 0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:01.839 Bill probably like what do you mean I signed? 0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:02.240 Juju? 0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:04.000 And you know, am I wrong? 0:53:07.120 --> 0:53:11.160 Yeah? I guess are you saying that Bill is just 0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:13.560 like things that that's good enough? Is that where you're 0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:14.480 getting at? 0:53:15.520 --> 0:53:17.600 Yeah, and just like it goes to just what you 0:53:17.640 --> 0:53:19.719 used to have, Like he's operating like we have time, 0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:20.839 you know what I mean? 0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:24.200 Yeah, yeah, it does like he could be like. 0:53:24.200 --> 0:53:25.719 You mean, what do you mean I got my big 0:53:25.760 --> 0:53:26.440 guys juju? 0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:30.240 Yeah, No, it's it's it's how I feel about it too. Matthew, 0:53:30.320 --> 0:53:33.279 thanks for the calls on both shows. I look that 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:35.000 that's how that's my biggest thing. We had a lot 0:53:35.040 --> 0:53:37.319 of calls and a lot of talk on on PU 0:53:37.400 --> 0:53:41.560 today Alex about Bill and his job security and all 0:53:41.600 --> 0:53:44.160 that kind of stuff, and uh, it's a Willhelm and 0:53:44.239 --> 0:53:47.000 film came after me a little bit. Morrell that that 0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:50.080 was interesting is we got into a little bit, but uh, 0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:53.920 the uh the biggest thing was to me, is is 0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:56.480 I have no issues with Bill to coach. I don't. 0:53:56.520 --> 0:53:59.520 I don't have very many issues outside of the big 0:53:59.560 --> 0:54:01.320 caveat you know, the big elephant to the room of 0:54:01.320 --> 0:54:04.120 matt Patricia last year, like in terms of like what 0:54:04.200 --> 0:54:05.920 he does on a week to week, day to day 0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:08.520 basis with the football team, the game planning, the x's 0:54:08.520 --> 0:54:11.600 and o's, the playbook right, Like, I don't have any 0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:14.160 issues with any of that stuff. I'll still take Bill 0:54:14.160 --> 0:54:17.360 Belichick over the field when it comes to his ability 0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:22.440 to coach and manage the football team in season. My 0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:26.520 biggest gripe with Bill is roster construction and roster building. 0:54:27.120 --> 0:54:30.000 And I think Matthew just made the point for me. 0:54:31.120 --> 0:54:35.200 It comes down to how do you view the quarterback 0:54:35.200 --> 0:54:38.400 position and if you're operating under the assumption that the 0:54:38.480 --> 0:54:42.200 quarterback is gonna make the whole thing go, I don't 0:54:42.200 --> 0:54:44.000 know if you have that guy yet that makes you 0:54:44.000 --> 0:54:47.839 feel comfortable with that. And when they had Brady, like 0:54:47.880 --> 0:54:52.640 if you put Brady not forty six year old Brady 0:54:52.680 --> 0:54:56.000 or however old he is now, but just Brady in 0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:59.880 an offense with Juju and Kasiki and Henry and Parker 0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:03.600 and Born and Thornton, Like, I think this offense would 0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:06.040 be a top five offense yeah, with Tom Brady, But 0:55:06.280 --> 0:55:09.080 they don't have Tom Brady. So that means that instead 0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:09.799 of a top I mean. 0:55:09.719 --> 0:55:11.520 To be fair with offense, isn't a top five offense 0:55:11.560 --> 0:55:12.320 with Tom Brady? 0:55:12.480 --> 0:55:15.319 Well, I mean the nineteen offense was I I wasn't 0:55:15.360 --> 0:55:19.000 really tom Brady though, yeah, you know what I mean? Though, yeah, no, no, no, 0:55:19.000 --> 0:55:20.719 do I do mean I think that they have better 0:55:20.760 --> 0:55:22.080 weapons than they did in nineteen. 0:55:22.560 --> 0:55:26.560 Now, oh yeah, this is the best. Uh, this is 0:55:26.600 --> 0:55:29.840 the best assortment of offensive talent they've had since I 0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:32.440 would even say seventeen. Yeah, oh, I guess for like 0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:36.160 one week in nineteen they were loaded right when they 0:55:36.160 --> 0:55:37.880 had Antonio Brown and Josh Gordon then. 0:55:38.000 --> 0:55:38.879 But you know. 0:55:40.640 --> 0:55:42.759 This, this should be all right. So maybe seventeen's a 0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:44.680 little far back, but definitely since all of that, since 0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:48.359 the Antonio Brown drama and everything, this is the best 0:55:48.360 --> 0:55:49.759 group of skill position players. 0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:53.280 But the problem is is that it's still not built 0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:57.280 up to the point where it's quarterback proof. The quarterback 0:55:57.320 --> 0:55:59.319 is still gonna have to play well correct. They still 0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:04.160 need a good quarterback, and maybe my dream scenario of 0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:07.560 being like, I would love to be quarterback proof. Obviously 0:56:07.600 --> 0:56:10.200 I would love to have Tom Brady again, or Patrick 0:56:10.200 --> 0:56:14.359 Mahomes or insert you know franchise quarterback here. But in 0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:17.160 this rebuilding process and the stage that they're in right now, 0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:20.040 my ideal is to be quarterback proof. And we've talked 0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:23.080 about this concept a lot, to be able to be 0:56:23.120 --> 0:56:28.200 able to just have everything so buttoned up around the 0:56:28.280 --> 0:56:33.640 quarterback that if you just get adequate quarterback play, then 0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:38.239 you're gonna be fine. And if you don't have one 0:56:38.239 --> 0:56:40.960 of those franchise guys, that's what you need to strive for. 0:56:41.200 --> 0:56:43.560 That's what you need to go for. And to me, 0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:46.719 the Patriots are not operate. The Patriots are operating like 0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:49.240 Mac Jones is a franchise quarterback is like this elite 0:56:49.280 --> 0:56:53.200 franchise guy where they can be okay with middling weapons, 0:56:53.680 --> 0:56:56.200 but they don't have that guy at the quarterback position. 0:56:56.920 --> 0:57:03.120 And until that, philosophically, they basically have like three doors 0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:05.839 that they could walk through. Door number one is that 0:57:05.880 --> 0:57:09.080 Mac Jones takes that next step and becomes elite yep. 0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:12.320 Door number two is that they move on from Mac. 0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:16.400 Or door number three is that Bill changes his philosophy, 0:57:17.080 --> 0:57:21.080 and Bill goes from Juju Smith Schuster being the highest 0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:25.280 paid receiver on the Patriots roster to trading and paying 0:57:25.360 --> 0:57:28.040 Jerry Judy right like or whatever the case may be. 0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:34.040 And if Bill is not going to walk through door 0:57:34.120 --> 0:57:37.080 number three with mac Jones as the quarterback here, then 0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:39.640 I will continue to have gribes with him, but I 0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:42.520 don't have any grips with them in terms of like, Okay, 0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:45.320 it's Tuesday and we're game planning for the Philadelphia Eagles. 0:57:45.320 --> 0:57:48.240 I'm still taking Bill. Yeah, And I think that that's 0:57:48.320 --> 0:57:50.720 like sort of the difference. And for some people, I 0:57:50.760 --> 0:57:55.240 get that that's like a confusing it's the same person, 0:57:55.680 --> 0:57:59.560 even though it's two different jobs GM and coach. It's 0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:02.360 the same person here. So it's all falls on Bill. 0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:04.520 So if you're out on him as a GM, then 0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:06.400 you're also out in him as a coach. Like that's 0:58:06.440 --> 0:58:08.320 sort of how it works for a lot of people. 0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:11.439 But for me, I separate the two things. I don't 0:58:11.480 --> 0:58:14.720 know if he'll change, and I don't know if mac 0:58:14.760 --> 0:58:17.360 Jones is going to be elite so and I don't 0:58:17.360 --> 0:58:19.200 know if they're gonna move on. And that's how you 0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:21.160 just get stuck at eight and nine, right, Like, that's 0:58:21.160 --> 0:58:23.160 just how well. I mean, they're gonna have to They're 0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:27.160 not gonna extend mac Jones. He's not good, right, But 0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:29.440 when I say move on, I guess is more like 0:58:30.080 --> 0:58:31.360 for his fourth and fifth year. 0:58:31.800 --> 0:58:34.200 All right, so yeah, short term move on, yeah you. 0:58:34.160 --> 0:58:37.040 Know, or short term stick with him, I guess. All right, 0:58:37.320 --> 0:58:39.960 let's get back to the training camp stuff. We were 0:58:40.000 --> 0:58:41.480 ended at tight ends. Do you have a thought on 0:58:41.520 --> 0:58:44.600 the tight ends or did you. 0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:45.040 Know we we pretty much covered it. 0:58:45.400 --> 0:58:50.200 Wide receivers speak of the devil right easily. The I 0:58:50.200 --> 0:58:53.040 think if we added up the amount of airtime we 0:58:53.080 --> 0:58:56.480 spike about one position on Patriots dot Com radio, morell 0:58:56.800 --> 0:59:00.520 wide receivers would be in a landslide. It's the talked 0:59:00.520 --> 0:59:04.320 about position group on the team by a ton, an 0:59:04.360 --> 0:59:08.960 absolute ton. My big thing at wide receiver is still Taekwon. 0:59:09.480 --> 0:59:13.040 It's still Taekwon. I can't let it go. They have 0:59:13.320 --> 0:59:14.800 as much as they have to see what they have 0:59:14.880 --> 0:59:17.440 in mac Jones. I also think that they need to 0:59:17.440 --> 0:59:21.360 give Taekwon opportunities. And I know you're right about you 0:59:21.400 --> 0:59:23.800 can't do it at expense at the quarterback, right if 0:59:23.800 --> 0:59:25.920 he's a better player. You gotta play the better player. 0:59:26.400 --> 0:59:29.360 But I look at the way that Bill O'Brien can 0:59:29.520 --> 0:59:33.240 use Taekwon and use his speed out on the field, 0:59:33.760 --> 0:59:38.520 and you know, separate from signing DeAndre Hopkins, like that's 0:59:38.560 --> 0:59:40.600 the one caveat of Like if they sign him, then 0:59:40.600 --> 0:59:43.280 obviously I don't really care about Taekwon as much. But 0:59:43.920 --> 0:59:45.880 to me, my one big thing is that you have 0:59:45.960 --> 0:59:49.600 to you have to make Taekwon work at some point. 0:59:49.640 --> 0:59:51.520 You got to make one of these receivers work that 0:59:51.560 --> 0:59:54.440 you've drafted. You gotta they gotta figure it out. You 0:59:54.480 --> 0:59:57.480 gotta develop them. It's not just about how they use them. 0:59:57.480 --> 1:00:00.280 It's not just about scheme and Bill O'Brien like, can 1:00:00.320 --> 1:00:02.760 we also develop a receiver, like can we get making 1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:06.720 a receiver better? I think they did that with Jacoby 1:00:07.160 --> 1:00:09.320 even though it wasn't drafted. Yeah, I think they did 1:00:09.320 --> 1:00:12.720 that with Jacoby, So they're capable of doing it. But 1:00:12.760 --> 1:00:15.720 I think with Jacoby the difference was Jacoby had the 1:00:15.800 --> 1:00:18.680 drive and he had the he put in a ton 1:00:18.720 --> 1:00:20.480 of work. He put in a ton of work, thank you. 1:00:20.560 --> 1:00:22.440 That's the best way to put it. He put in 1:00:22.480 --> 1:00:23.040 a ton of work. 1:00:23.080 --> 1:00:28.520 Not that Taekwon isn't, but like he had Jacoby grinded. 1:00:29.040 --> 1:00:32.080 That was Jacoby had like a little Edelman in him. Yeah, 1:00:32.160 --> 1:00:34.200 in that respect, which. 1:00:34.000 --> 1:00:36.880 Whenever he followed Julian Edelman around, Yeah, which. 1:00:36.760 --> 1:00:39.160 Might have on his head, which might maybe we'll talk 1:00:39.160 --> 1:00:42.440 about this at the end, Bruce Cassidy and Milton with 1:00:43.520 --> 1:00:48.040 gross anyways, Yeah, that that that's my big thing at receiver. 1:00:49.200 --> 1:00:51.360 I also will say I'll guess you go first, because 1:00:51.440 --> 1:00:53.320 I don't want to steal yours if it's the same thing. 1:00:53.440 --> 1:00:56.480 Well, so I'm working on two things for ninety at 1:00:56.480 --> 1:00:58.640 five they'll be up, you know, the week four training camp. 1:00:58.960 --> 1:01:01.880 One is the five biggest position battles of camp and 1:01:01.920 --> 1:01:03.680 the other is the five biggest stories, So I'm trying 1:01:03.720 --> 1:01:08.120 not to overlap. I have Taekwon versus Born as like 1:01:08.160 --> 1:01:10.760 the biggest position battle for this team. Who is going 1:01:10.800 --> 1:01:13.280 to win that zero? So that's obviously massive, But I 1:01:13.320 --> 1:01:17.320 think in a bigger picture health health, they need to 1:01:17.320 --> 1:01:20.920 be healthy a wide receiver. We saw in the spring 1:01:21.360 --> 1:01:24.919 how quickly it drops. It all evaporates once you lose 1:01:24.960 --> 1:01:27.560 one or two guys. And we haven't seen Juju Smith 1:01:27.560 --> 1:01:29.720 Schuster on the field yet. We don't know exactly kind 1:01:29.720 --> 1:01:33.440 of injury Taekwon's dealing with. DeVante Parker is a guy 1:01:33.440 --> 1:01:35.320 who is healthy right now, but as a history of 1:01:35.320 --> 1:01:38.960 getting banged up, they gotta stay healthy. They've got to 1:01:38.960 --> 1:01:41.720 stay healthy through camp and get into the season healthy 1:01:41.760 --> 1:01:44.400 and then maybe, you know, once you build a little 1:01:44.400 --> 1:01:46.800 bit of rhythm offensively, it's easier if you lose a 1:01:46.800 --> 1:01:49.840 player here or there. But this group's got to stay 1:01:49.880 --> 1:01:52.880 healthy and they didn't last year. Taekwan got hurt, and 1:01:53.080 --> 1:01:54.520 I think it was the second preseason game. Was it 1:01:54.600 --> 1:01:57.680 the first one he had that collarbone injury? They have 1:01:57.720 --> 1:01:58.320 to stay healthy. 1:01:58.480 --> 1:02:01.280 Yeah, that was where I was going to with Juju. 1:02:01.600 --> 1:02:03.760 You know, dude keeps springing this up and I keep 1:02:03.760 --> 1:02:06.520 forgetting because I can in my head, I think of 1:02:06.640 --> 1:02:09.360 Juju as like your march for like eighty catches for 1:02:09.440 --> 1:02:11.800 nine hundred yards, right like the season he had last 1:02:11.840 --> 1:02:14.120 year for Kansas City, just because I feel like he's 1:02:14.120 --> 1:02:17.280 a known commodity. Like you know, I'm not saying that. 1:02:17.320 --> 1:02:19.640 I don't think that his his ceiling is very high, 1:02:19.640 --> 1:02:21.440 and I think his floor is very high, right, Like, 1:02:21.480 --> 1:02:24.120 I think he's gonna be an eighty catch, nine hundred 1:02:24.160 --> 1:02:26.880 yard guy if he's out there, but I keep forgetting 1:02:26.880 --> 1:02:29.480 that he wasn't out there, right, And that's that's a 1:02:29.480 --> 1:02:31.200 big deal. That's a big big. 1:02:31.480 --> 1:02:33.720 And that's more where I'm at with with Taekwon than 1:02:33.720 --> 1:02:37.800 anything else, is just can he be out because I 1:02:37.840 --> 1:02:39.520 don't I don't want to say the worst thing that 1:02:39.520 --> 1:02:42.480 could happen, But what if he is really good? Yeah, 1:02:42.640 --> 1:02:45.240 because we've seen this happen with guys before Malcolm Mitchell. 1:02:45.640 --> 1:02:46.880 What if he is really good and then it gets 1:02:46.920 --> 1:02:48.200 weak two and then he gets hurt and then they 1:02:48.320 --> 1:02:49.280 built the whole offense right. 1:02:49.280 --> 1:02:51.040 Well, I also kind of feel like that, not that 1:02:51.080 --> 1:02:53.040 they built the whole offense around him, but he was 1:02:53.080 --> 1:02:55.680 decent in camp last year before the collarbone injury. I 1:02:55.720 --> 1:02:58.240 don't think he was like it wasn't like we were watching, 1:02:58.440 --> 1:03:00.280 you know, Tyreek Hill, but like he was a good 1:03:00.280 --> 1:03:03.440 player in camp or had some moments I should I 1:03:03.440 --> 1:03:05.640 guess I should say in camp, and then he gets 1:03:05.640 --> 1:03:08.080 the collar brodne injury and the whole thing gets dereealed. Look, 1:03:08.120 --> 1:03:09.320 I don't think that he would have been a good 1:03:09.320 --> 1:03:13.440 player regardless, But similar things happened with Nikkeel right where 1:03:14.640 --> 1:03:18.240 he gets injured early on and he was the ankle 1:03:18.400 --> 1:03:21.760 right that landed one injured reserve his rookie season, and 1:03:22.760 --> 1:03:27.560 he just never got he never caught up. It always Yeah, 1:03:27.600 --> 1:03:29.760 it always felt like he was taking on water from 1:03:29.760 --> 1:03:32.680 that point on, and you just hope that it's not 1:03:32.760 --> 1:03:37.080 the same for Taekwon. All right. Offensive line got some 1:03:37.200 --> 1:03:39.920 questions in the emails from David and some other people 1:03:40.320 --> 1:03:46.280 about tackles. My big thing with the offensive line, it's 1:03:46.320 --> 1:03:49.080 to me, it's all on Adrian Clement, Bill O'Brien. You 1:03:49.640 --> 1:03:53.600 know what you have. It's a group that in the past, 1:03:53.760 --> 1:03:57.760 and I'm in the past, they had Dante Scarnekia. I'm 1:03:57.760 --> 1:04:00.280 on record, I think he's the greatest offensive line coach 1:04:00.280 --> 1:04:00.640 of all. 1:04:00.560 --> 1:04:02.439 Time, probably the greatest positional coach. 1:04:02.640 --> 1:04:07.360 So that I understand that Steven Neil and you know 1:04:07.400 --> 1:04:10.200 all these other guys. We always use Steven Neil, right, 1:04:10.040 --> 1:04:12.440 but even but all these other guys like that, Dante 1:04:12.480 --> 1:04:15.040 turned with you took water and turned it into wine. 1:04:15.760 --> 1:04:19.400 Was because Scar a scar and there is no other Scar. 1:04:19.960 --> 1:04:23.800 With that being said, they are going to have some 1:04:24.200 --> 1:04:26.760 issues at tackle this year. I don't think it's a 1:04:26.800 --> 1:04:28.520 straight line. I think it's gonna be an up and 1:04:28.560 --> 1:04:30.880 down road at tackle, and I don't think if there's 1:04:30.920 --> 1:04:35.880 any real solve, there's no internal solve that's just gonna 1:04:36.400 --> 1:04:38.360 make you not have to worry about tackle. And there's 1:04:38.360 --> 1:04:41.000 no external solve all either, because their tackles don't grow 1:04:41.040 --> 1:04:43.040 on trees and they don't get traded or moved very 1:04:43.040 --> 1:04:46.200 often if they can play. So you're gonna have to 1:04:46.240 --> 1:04:49.000 coach around it. You're gonna have to scheme around it. 1:04:49.040 --> 1:04:51.200 You're gonna have to coach guys up. They're gonna have 1:04:51.200 --> 1:04:54.600 to get back to like developing offensive lineman, go figure right, 1:04:54.680 --> 1:04:58.520 like guys like you know, Calvin Anderson. I think is 1:04:58.240 --> 1:05:01.520 is still a a semi ball of clay. I know 1:05:01.560 --> 1:05:02.840 he's been in the league for a couple of years, 1:05:02.840 --> 1:05:05.600 but he's a really good athlete. He started some games 1:05:05.600 --> 1:05:07.840 we go only has twelve starts in three years. I 1:05:07.840 --> 1:05:10.240 think he's got a lot of potential. Maybe they can 1:05:10.240 --> 1:05:12.520 coach him up and make him serviceable at one of 1:05:12.560 --> 1:05:15.240 the tackle spots. Trent Brown like, that's a guy you 1:05:15.280 --> 1:05:18.440 gotta be on. You gotta be on his case. You 1:05:18.440 --> 1:05:20.600 gotta keep him at focused, You got to keep him 1:05:20.640 --> 1:05:22.400 at the right weight. You got to keep them locked 1:05:22.440 --> 1:05:26.560 in maybe one of these rookie guards pops, you know, 1:05:26.600 --> 1:05:30.040 maybe it's Antonio Mafi, maybe it's Uh, it's City Sow. 1:05:30.160 --> 1:05:33.400 Whether it's a tackle or it's guard, right, you got 1:05:33.400 --> 1:05:34.280 to develop some of these. 1:05:34.200 --> 1:05:37.480 Guys to tackle it. And this is to build up 1:05:37.520 --> 1:05:40.160 your point. This is where they're at. Tackle's been there, Evan, 1:05:40.160 --> 1:05:41.760 as long as me and you have been doing shows together. 1:05:41.760 --> 1:05:44.680 Tackles been their biggest leed right, And they haven't used 1:05:44.720 --> 1:05:47.080 a premium mass set on a tackle period, not the draft, 1:05:47.160 --> 1:05:50.200 on free agency, nothing. Yeah, they have to figure out 1:05:50.240 --> 1:05:52.880 the tackle position and to sort of build on what 1:05:52.880 --> 1:05:54.640 you were saying about coaching guys up, and I just 1:05:54.640 --> 1:05:58.400 think the overall coaching of it, because there's some creativity 1:05:58.400 --> 1:06:01.400 that can be involved here too. Nothing should be off 1:06:01.440 --> 1:06:03.840 the table. That means Mike go and win it right. 1:06:04.480 --> 1:06:06.480 That's why I brought up the rookies right, so that 1:06:06.520 --> 1:06:08.680 means Michael winning it right. Tackle if it's Mafi on 1:06:08.680 --> 1:06:11.240 the end side, or giving City sour reps, or being 1:06:11.280 --> 1:06:13.560 open to Trent playing Trent Brown on the left or 1:06:13.720 --> 1:06:16.640 right side, being open to playing Riley Reef on the 1:06:16.720 --> 1:06:19.560 left or right side, I think everybody but McDermott pretty 1:06:19.600 --> 1:06:22.160 much his side versatile. That is the one advantage this 1:06:22.200 --> 1:06:26.400 group has is Trent Brown's a true swing tackle. Riley 1:06:26.440 --> 1:06:30.160 Reef is close. Calvin Anderson's played right tackle. 1:06:30.200 --> 1:06:33.800 I don't know that you system, but like I think ideally, 1:06:34.520 --> 1:06:38.040 and this is putting a lot of eggs in Calvin 1:06:38.080 --> 1:06:42.680 Anderson's basket. I'll put that out there. I think Calvin 1:06:42.720 --> 1:06:45.400 Anderson's a better left tackle and. 1:06:45.600 --> 1:06:48.920 I think he is too. But they need to try everything. Basimply, 1:06:49.000 --> 1:06:50.400 they need to try everything. 1:06:50.400 --> 1:06:52.960 If I was them, I would try Calvin Anderson at 1:06:53.040 --> 1:06:54.320 left tackle with Trent at right. 1:06:54.680 --> 1:06:57.280 That might that's probably their best group. But well, their 1:06:57.320 --> 1:06:59.200 best group is Mike go and win it right tackle. Yeah, 1:06:59.200 --> 1:07:00.960 but they won't do it, I know, but they should 1:07:00.960 --> 1:07:01.520 consider it. 1:07:01.520 --> 1:07:03.960 They should. I think that that especially if. 1:07:03.920 --> 1:07:05.160 They know they're not paying him next year. 1:07:05.280 --> 1:07:08.840 That has to come. That comes two weeks in right, Like, 1:07:08.920 --> 1:07:09.360 if they. 1:07:09.320 --> 1:07:12.040 I hate that, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. 1:07:12.320 --> 1:07:14.600 If they get to like Green Bay, if we're on 1:07:14.640 --> 1:07:18.720 the plane to freaking Lambeau for yeah whatever, and uh 1:07:19.600 --> 1:07:20.600 and it's disaster. 1:07:20.720 --> 1:07:23.760 Oh two weeks in a camp into camp. I thought, regular, No. 1:07:23.880 --> 1:07:25.280 I think that you have to do that before, way 1:07:25.320 --> 1:07:26.080 before the regularly. 1:07:26.280 --> 1:07:28.080 It has to be yeah, okay. That's why I was like, 1:07:28.120 --> 1:07:29.439 I hate that because he can't start. 1:07:29.600 --> 1:07:31.640 I think a lot of the times what happens is, 1:07:32.600 --> 1:07:35.000 I think it's ten days of camp before we get 1:07:35.040 --> 1:07:37.840 into joint practices, and they kind of I think they 1:07:37.960 --> 1:07:41.720 use those early stages of camp to set what they 1:07:41.760 --> 1:07:43.680 think that they have right, and then we get to 1:07:43.720 --> 1:07:46.040 the joint practices and that's when they see if it 1:07:46.080 --> 1:07:46.440 can hold that. 1:07:46.520 --> 1:07:47.880 That's when the evaluation really ran. 1:07:48.080 --> 1:07:50.800 Yeah. Yeah, they I could see them looking at the 1:07:50.960 --> 1:07:54.640 that ten days sample and saying, you know what we got, Like, 1:07:55.160 --> 1:07:56.960 we're gonna go to Green Bay and we're gonna kick 1:07:56.960 --> 1:07:59.760 a mic out to right tackle and we're gonna put 1:07:59.800 --> 1:08:02.240 in Tony Omaffi in at right guard, and we're going 1:08:02.320 --> 1:08:05.120 to see how that looks against the Packers. And I 1:08:05.200 --> 1:08:07.800 think that that's a possibility. I'm with you on one, 1:08:07.960 --> 1:08:10.360 one hundred percent. I think that him playing right tackle 1:08:10.480 --> 1:08:12.640 needs to be on the table for this team. I 1:08:12.720 --> 1:08:15.000 would ideally like to keep him at guard. I think 1:08:15.040 --> 1:08:17.200 they would too, but it has to be on the 1:08:17.240 --> 1:08:19.960 table that he could potentially be a right tackle for 1:08:20.040 --> 1:08:22.640 this year. I think he's the best right tackle they 1:08:22.680 --> 1:08:24.880 have on the roster besides maybe Trent, But Trent's probably 1:08:24.880 --> 1:08:26.720 the best left tackle they have on the roster. So 1:08:27.120 --> 1:08:30.439 he's just the best tackle they have. So wherever Trent 1:08:30.600 --> 1:08:32.400 isn't you know, if Trent is going to play the 1:08:32.479 --> 1:08:34.920 left side, then I think that on when who's your 1:08:34.960 --> 1:08:36.519 best right tackle on the roster and you got to 1:08:36.560 --> 1:08:37.040 give it a shot. 1:08:37.120 --> 1:08:39.240 I just think everything you know, who would have thought 1:08:39.400 --> 1:08:43.800 that their best five in twenty one would involve Ted Carres? 1:08:44.120 --> 1:08:46.000 Who would have thought going into the season, especially after 1:08:46.000 --> 1:08:48.000 the rookie or Micro and went Who add that the 1:08:48.080 --> 1:08:50.800 best offensive line right involved putting Micro and Winner on 1:08:50.840 --> 1:08:53.040 the bench And that's it took him a while to 1:08:53.040 --> 1:08:55.160 get there, but that's what ended up being. And I'd 1:08:55.240 --> 1:08:57.800 rather them figure that out, like you said, in Green 1:08:57.840 --> 1:09:01.360 Bay or in Tennessee than you know, approaching Halloween. So 1:09:01.680 --> 1:09:03.280 just I think it all needs to be on the 1:09:03.360 --> 1:09:07.719 table and whatever works, it works, and you just cross 1:09:07.760 --> 1:09:08.880 your fingers and you hope it sticks. 1:09:09.000 --> 1:09:11.799 Yeah, I'm with you on that because it's a Again, 1:09:12.400 --> 1:09:16.000 it's an old scarrism of seeing it through the same 1:09:16.080 --> 1:09:19.760 set of eyes and sometimes the same your best five 1:09:19.920 --> 1:09:23.360 isn't your isn't on paper your best five? Right, Sometimes 1:09:23.439 --> 1:09:26.559 it's Ted Carris is your Actually it actually makes up 1:09:26.560 --> 1:09:29.920 your best five, just because the chemistry and the timing 1:09:30.000 --> 1:09:32.519 and the rhythm of the group is better, uh with 1:09:32.760 --> 1:09:35.080 Ted Carris than Mike on Wenhu. Even though on paper, 1:09:35.920 --> 1:09:38.640 if we're doing Madden ratings, like Mike Godwin who has 1:09:38.640 --> 1:09:41.920 a higher matting rating than Ted Carris, but once you 1:09:42.000 --> 1:09:43.880 get out there on the field, it just looks better 1:09:43.960 --> 1:09:46.519 with Ted Carris out there. So I'm with you, all 1:09:46.680 --> 1:09:49.160 all hands on deck, all options on the table. I 1:09:49.360 --> 1:09:51.320 liked what I saw out of Calvin Anderson in the spring, 1:09:51.400 --> 1:09:53.280 so I'm hoping that maybe he can carry that over 1:09:53.360 --> 1:09:55.679 at left tackle with the pads come on, and maybe 1:09:55.720 --> 1:09:58.640 he is better bet at left tackle for you. He's 1:09:58.680 --> 1:10:02.920 got some athleticism, some range, he can pass protect. He 1:10:03.360 --> 1:10:07.479 fits the mold of their typical like more sleek, athletic 1:10:07.680 --> 1:10:09.360 like Nate Solder style left tackle. 1:10:09.560 --> 1:10:09.720 Right. 1:10:10.600 --> 1:10:12.800 I think that the power guys, they tend to be 1:10:12.960 --> 1:10:14.800 better with them on the right side and then on 1:10:14.880 --> 1:10:17.120 the left side, just the way that their scheme in 1:10:17.240 --> 1:10:20.400 the run game especially works. So I would like to 1:10:20.439 --> 1:10:23.120 see Calvin Anderson there a left tackle all right, moving 1:10:23.160 --> 1:10:26.559 over defensive side of the football, turning the page defensive line. 1:10:26.680 --> 1:10:30.639 One big thing I think maybe the most forgotten player 1:10:31.320 --> 1:10:34.840 on this team going into this season is Christian Barmore. Yeap, 1:10:35.160 --> 1:10:37.600 what like, did we just forget that Christian Barmore I 1:10:37.840 --> 1:10:40.840 And I'm saying me, no, he was I forgot. I 1:10:40.920 --> 1:10:42.439 mean he was hurt a lot of the year last year, 1:10:42.520 --> 1:10:44.439 he at so he's kind of out of sight, out 1:10:44.479 --> 1:10:45.519 of mind. I have him too. 1:10:45.600 --> 1:10:48.000 I think the year three jump with him. How many 1:10:48.280 --> 1:10:49.720 you know, we've kind of we spent a lot of 1:10:49.760 --> 1:10:53.280 time leading up last year talking about if Christian Barmore 1:10:53.320 --> 1:10:55.600 takes the leap, the defense goes from good to great. Right, 1:10:55.800 --> 1:10:57.759 It's another element to the defense. You get that interior 1:10:57.800 --> 1:11:00.840 pass rush in. I know people wen't really happy with 1:11:00.880 --> 1:11:02.479 how he was playing early in the year, but if 1:11:03.280 --> 1:11:05.160 if if you look beyond the box score and you 1:11:05.200 --> 1:11:08.080 actually watched the tape, like he was an issue still 1:11:08.280 --> 1:11:09.720 an impact, right, he was making it. He was an 1:11:09.760 --> 1:11:11.679 issue for offense. I should say he was making an impact. 1:11:11.840 --> 1:11:14.000 He wasn't getting sacks, but there were times where he 1:11:14.120 --> 1:11:17.280 was just chasing the quarterback into sacks for Matthew Judah 1:11:17.320 --> 1:11:19.240 and things like that, and then he got hurt and 1:11:19.439 --> 1:11:20.960 I think he missed. He missed like two months. He 1:11:21.000 --> 1:11:22.920 missed a while long time, and I don't think he 1:11:23.000 --> 1:11:25.680 was fully healthy when he got back. Just that's not 1:11:25.760 --> 1:11:28.439 like inside information. Just watching him, he didn't look as 1:11:28.479 --> 1:11:31.759 explosive as he normally looks. Here we go, he's fully healthy. 1:11:31.880 --> 1:11:36.559 Year three, can he make that jump? I will say, though, 1:11:36.560 --> 1:11:38.880 if he doesn't make it this year, I think then 1:11:38.920 --> 1:11:40.840 he just is who he is, which is still a 1:11:40.880 --> 1:11:43.320 good player. But yeah, yeah, you look at it, and 1:11:43.439 --> 1:11:45.400 this is for all the for everything we've talked about 1:11:45.439 --> 1:11:47.120 with Mac Jones and the fifty year option, it's not 1:11:47.200 --> 1:11:49.800 all that different. Well, for Barbour there is no fifth 1:11:49.840 --> 1:11:52.439 year option. This is it three and four, right, He's 1:11:52.520 --> 1:11:54.840 up for the extension this time next year, So. 1:11:55.200 --> 1:11:57.680 It's it's not that all that different. It just we 1:11:57.800 --> 1:11:59.840 got there very differently, Like Mac had the coaching is 1:12:00.240 --> 1:12:02.400 and all that kind of stuff last year and Barmore 1:12:02.439 --> 1:12:06.080 had injuries. But there are two players that we expected 1:12:06.120 --> 1:12:08.360 to make a year two leap that has now unfortunately 1:12:08.479 --> 1:12:10.640 become a year three leap, right, And I still think 1:12:10.680 --> 1:12:13.360 that potential is there for Christian Barmore, And I still 1:12:13.400 --> 1:12:15.240 think that he has the ability to do it. And 1:12:16.040 --> 1:12:19.560 if he becomes a true interior game wrecker for you, 1:12:19.880 --> 1:12:22.439 And now you have Barmore coming up the middle, and 1:12:22.520 --> 1:12:26.080 you have Judon and Uce and Keon White potentially mixing 1:12:26.160 --> 1:12:29.320 in now too on the edges and getting after quarterbacks, 1:12:30.120 --> 1:12:33.880 that's that's really really deep. It's a good group. I mean, 1:12:33.920 --> 1:12:36.479 it's a good defensive line. I think he's one of 1:12:36.520 --> 1:12:39.880 those guys that and I did my top five Patriot list, 1:12:39.960 --> 1:12:42.519 I was like, well, in reality, like if I'm just 1:12:42.600 --> 1:12:45.920 going off of pure talent, then Christian Barmore probably is 1:12:45.960 --> 1:12:48.760 pretty close to this top five, Like, yeah, just who 1:12:48.840 --> 1:12:52.120 is the best physical football player on this team? Christian 1:12:52.160 --> 1:12:55.640 Barmore is in that conversation. I think, maybe not the 1:12:55.720 --> 1:12:57.640 top of the conversation. I still think Judon is in 1:12:57.720 --> 1:12:59.760 his kind of a class of his own, to be honest, 1:13:00.160 --> 1:13:03.120 Kyle Duggar belongs in that that ballpark or that tier. 1:13:03.560 --> 1:13:06.040 But I think Christian Barmore is in that mix as well. 1:13:06.120 --> 1:13:09.000 So we're in agreement on defensive line that it's Christian Barmore. 1:13:09.600 --> 1:13:11.600 I think that he doesn't get talked about enough with 1:13:11.760 --> 1:13:14.360 this team taking that next step because they do have 1:13:14.479 --> 1:13:17.760 some of the younger defenders, you know, gonzales A Mapu. Yeah, 1:13:17.880 --> 1:13:20.880 and he kind of gets lost a little bit. Let's 1:13:22.640 --> 1:13:27.000 I don't I think it's important at edge here outside linebacker. 1:13:27.080 --> 1:13:29.439 Excuse me, edge. I'm gonna say edge, just to grind 1:13:29.479 --> 1:13:33.960 your gears. Edge. It's a big thing with josh u j. 1:13:34.640 --> 1:13:36.640 I think it's a big thing that we have to 1:13:37.080 --> 1:13:41.559 we touch on. His season last year was interesting. There 1:13:41.760 --> 1:13:46.080 is some regressing to the mean potential there and there's 1:13:46.120 --> 1:13:48.519 also the potential that he's just really good. Right, So 1:13:49.479 --> 1:13:55.280 either way, what can josh u Ja do to earn 1:13:55.320 --> 1:13:58.760 a second contract in Bill Belichick's eyes? Because to me, 1:13:59.560 --> 1:14:01.439 racking up up eight sacks in the second half of 1:14:01.439 --> 1:14:03.320 the year, all of his sacks last year came eleven 1:14:03.760 --> 1:14:05.920 or eleven Excuse me, I mean last eight weeks of 1:14:05.960 --> 1:14:09.160 the year, last eight weeks. All of his sacks last 1:14:09.200 --> 1:14:10.479 year came in the second half of the season. 1:14:11.320 --> 1:14:13.880 I mean it's right there. It's consistency, and I think 1:14:13.960 --> 1:14:16.280 you talk about the second contract, it's a little bit 1:14:16.280 --> 1:14:18.800 of a fallacy I or a catch twenty two. I 1:14:18.880 --> 1:14:22.559 guess his name is I don't think that that's something 1:14:22.640 --> 1:14:26.280 that's That's one of two things is gonna happen. Either 1:14:27.439 --> 1:14:30.280 he proves the end of last year was I don't 1:14:30.280 --> 1:14:31.800 want to say a fluke because he played well, but 1:14:31.880 --> 1:14:35.200 like he proves that it wasn't sustainable. He goes back 1:14:35.200 --> 1:14:36.519 to the player he was the first two and a 1:14:36.520 --> 1:14:38.840 half years of his career, and at that point, I mean, 1:14:39.120 --> 1:14:41.720 you can't extend him, but it's kind of a you know, 1:14:41.840 --> 1:14:45.120 replacement level player. Or he proves that the second half 1:14:45.120 --> 1:14:46.600 of last year is the player he really is, in 1:14:46.680 --> 1:14:48.960 which case he's going to beat that's more than he was, 1:14:49.080 --> 1:14:52.000 averaging more to sack per game. He probably becomes one 1:14:52.000 --> 1:14:53.920 of the top five free agents in the market and 1:14:54.040 --> 1:14:55.160 the Patriots aren't gonna pay him. 1:14:55.160 --> 1:14:57.479 How sad is it that him actually regressing back to 1:14:57.560 --> 1:14:59.400 the mean is the way that he gets retained by 1:14:59.479 --> 1:14:59.880 the page. 1:15:00.000 --> 1:15:02.120 I think he has retained either way sad well, I 1:15:02.640 --> 1:15:04.360 guess he gets retained if it's somewhere in the middle. 1:15:04.439 --> 1:15:07.080 But think about it, if you're the if you're josh Ucha, 1:15:07.640 --> 1:15:10.160 why would you sign an extension right now? You're probably 1:15:10.160 --> 1:15:11.479 gonna bet on what you did in the second half 1:15:11.560 --> 1:15:13.519 last year. And if you're the Patriots, why would you 1:15:13.560 --> 1:15:15.599 sign extension right now because the guy hasn't been consistent. 1:15:15.680 --> 1:15:17.760 You have an eight game sample size over three years 1:15:17.800 --> 1:15:20.240 to work with. So he's gonna go. He's gonna go 1:15:20.240 --> 1:15:23.400 into this season and play. And it's just I either 1:15:23.479 --> 1:15:25.840 he was the guy, he's one of two players. It's 1:15:26.560 --> 1:15:28.439 this is essentially kind of what we're doing with Mac Jones, 1:15:28.479 --> 1:15:32.320 but on a different scale. Two sacks through his first 1:15:32.360 --> 1:15:35.880 I think it's like twenty five games and then eleven 1:15:35.960 --> 1:15:40.800 in his last eight. Which guy is he? Either guy? 1:15:40.840 --> 1:15:45.599 I don't think the Patriots pay They want consistent middle 1:15:45.800 --> 1:15:47.000 like I don't want to say middle of the road 1:15:47.000 --> 1:15:50.080 pass rushers, but they want consistent guys. They want pass 1:15:50.160 --> 1:15:53.280 rushers who bring consistency. And if there's one thing, I 1:15:53.320 --> 1:15:55.360 think josh Uja is a pretty good player, but he's 1:15:55.439 --> 1:15:57.639 not consistent. You can't sit here and say he's consistent 1:15:57.960 --> 1:15:59.639 and that's what the Patriots want from that position. 1:16:00.120 --> 1:16:01.560 And you look at you know, I'm just pulling this 1:16:01.680 --> 1:16:05.120 up real quick. You look at sort of comps of 1:16:05.280 --> 1:16:09.080 what josh U j could get paid on the open market, 1:16:09.520 --> 1:16:12.519 and the contract that I look at as a decent 1:16:12.600 --> 1:16:13.920 comp and I think the one thing that you have 1:16:14.040 --> 1:16:17.800 to throw out there is that. And I said this 1:16:17.920 --> 1:16:19.840 on Twitter and people were like, oh, yeah, like you know, 1:16:20.000 --> 1:16:24.040 my my wife is you know my wasn't my If 1:16:24.080 --> 1:16:25.760 my uncle had what it would be my he'd be 1:16:25.880 --> 1:16:26.879 my aunt or something. 1:16:26.760 --> 1:16:29.000 Like that or whatever my uncle had wheels, he'd be away. 1:16:29.120 --> 1:16:33.360 Yeah, there you go. Whatever that's saying is. But in 1:16:33.439 --> 1:16:36.599 a different defensive system, I truly believe Josh j would 1:16:36.600 --> 1:16:37.000 play more. 1:16:37.760 --> 1:16:40.960 I think, yeah, there's some of that because let me 1:16:41.040 --> 1:16:42.479 just real quick, because I feel like I kind of 1:16:42.520 --> 1:16:45.360 just dumped on him a little bit. He's not it's 1:16:45.400 --> 1:16:48.559 a little Chandler Jones ish with him, whereas I remember 1:16:48.560 --> 1:16:50.479 they remember they let Chandler Jones walk and he almost 1:16:50.479 --> 1:16:52.360 set the NFL record for saxon a season. 1:16:52.479 --> 1:16:55.920 Chandler Jones is the one guy that maybe it wouldn't 1:16:55.920 --> 1:16:58.160 have worked out as well here, But that's the one 1:16:58.160 --> 1:16:59.840 guy that I would have gone back and paid, like 1:17:00.040 --> 1:17:01.040 right if you had to. 1:17:01.280 --> 1:17:02.880 He's not whatever it was it was like twenty one 1:17:02.920 --> 1:17:05.559 sacks he had that year. He's not getting twenty one 1:17:05.600 --> 1:17:07.720 sacks here because that's not how they play defense, right. 1:17:08.280 --> 1:17:10.600 I think Josh I don't think josh is gonna go 1:17:10.640 --> 1:17:12.880 be a twenty sack player somewhere, but I think there 1:17:13.000 --> 1:17:15.880 is some of that where he's just he's at his 1:17:15.960 --> 1:17:17.600 best when he can pin his ears back and go, 1:17:18.320 --> 1:17:22.439 and that's really not something they've ever done. They've started 1:17:22.520 --> 1:17:25.080 doing it just for Matthew, but because of Matthew Judon. 1:17:25.240 --> 1:17:27.400 They do it for Judon, because Judon's that good. And 1:17:27.640 --> 1:17:32.360 so unless Uch's like the because Judon's got I think 1:17:32.360 --> 1:17:32.920 two more years. 1:17:32.920 --> 1:17:34.760 He signed through twenty five and he's getting up there, 1:17:34.760 --> 1:17:35.439 he's like thirty one. 1:17:35.640 --> 1:17:39.400 Unless Uch is the replacement for Judon, they just that's 1:17:39.479 --> 1:17:42.719 not how they that's not how they the same thing. 1:17:42.720 --> 1:17:46.160 Like played forty percent of the snaps last year roughly, right, 1:17:46.160 --> 1:17:48.040 I think it was like thirty eight or thirty nine percent. 1:17:48.600 --> 1:17:50.759 I think in another defense, he's like a sixty percent 1:17:50.840 --> 1:17:53.280 snap guy because he plays a little bit more on 1:17:53.400 --> 1:17:55.479 first and second down, right right, because he's not gonna 1:17:55.479 --> 1:17:57.120 play first and second down here, just because of all 1:17:57.120 --> 1:17:59.439 the stylistic reasons that you laid out. So back to 1:17:59.520 --> 1:18:02.000 the cop the comp that I would save for josh 1:18:02.120 --> 1:18:04.400 Uja that I could think of as a sound reddick 1:18:04.520 --> 1:18:08.280 with the Eagles, who I think is a similar smaller 1:18:08.720 --> 1:18:11.519 edge guy, but has that explosive gear that get off 1:18:11.600 --> 1:18:14.720 that ability to rush the quarterback. Reddick has been better 1:18:14.760 --> 1:18:17.320 against the run, but he's also had more opportunities to 1:18:17.400 --> 1:18:20.720 be better against the run. So he got a three year, 1:18:21.120 --> 1:18:24.800 forty five million dollar deal with the Eagles last year, 1:18:25.200 --> 1:18:29.040 so fifteen million per on a total value basis. It 1:18:29.280 --> 1:18:32.880 was a fourteen point two million dollars signing bonus thirty 1:18:32.920 --> 1:18:38.200 million dollars in guaranteed money, So basically a two year, 1:18:38.280 --> 1:18:40.519 thirty million dollar deal with the play the team option 1:18:40.600 --> 1:18:43.560 for the third season. That's basically what he got. So 1:18:45.040 --> 1:18:47.240 I think if I'm josh josh U J's agent, that's 1:18:47.400 --> 1:18:49.600 that's sort of a starting point, or that's sort of 1:18:49.640 --> 1:18:52.439 what my goal is. I guess say would be something 1:18:52.479 --> 1:18:54.760 along the same lines. In terms of APY. I don't 1:18:54.760 --> 1:18:57.320 know how they structure and all that stuff. In terms 1:18:57.320 --> 1:19:00.920 of APY, I don't think the are coming close to 1:19:01.000 --> 1:19:03.720 paying fifteen million a year for Joshu Jay, which means 1:19:03.760 --> 1:19:07.760 that he's probably out of here anyways. But I I 1:19:07.960 --> 1:19:11.439 really I think he's a good pass rusher. I think 1:19:11.479 --> 1:19:13.800 he's in his bag. He's got like seventeen dinner. 1:19:14.120 --> 1:19:16.840 He's a good pass rusher, but it's just not they 1:19:16.880 --> 1:19:20.320 have one spot for that here and the guy doing 1:19:20.360 --> 1:19:21.640 it does a pretty good job of doing it, and 1:19:21.680 --> 1:19:23.640 he's still under contract for a while. That's fair in 1:19:23.800 --> 1:19:24.160 jude On. 1:19:24.160 --> 1:19:26.240 I'd still pay him, especially with the cap space that 1:19:26.320 --> 1:19:28.599 you have next year, I would pay him. I understand 1:19:28.640 --> 1:19:31.800 they have their reasons and they and they they make sense. 1:19:32.080 --> 1:19:33.800 Like if you are going to live in a world 1:19:34.160 --> 1:19:36.160 and I'm not necessarily saying it's right or wrong, but 1:19:36.240 --> 1:19:37.839 if you're going to live in a world where Jilani 1:19:37.880 --> 1:19:39.920 Devai is still getting first down snaps over the guy 1:19:39.960 --> 1:19:41.720 you're paying fifteen million dollars a year or two, you 1:19:41.840 --> 1:19:44.519 just can't do it right. You can't have that happen. 1:19:44.640 --> 1:19:46.960 And that's that's why I said, you know, brought it 1:19:47.040 --> 1:19:49.560 up as my one big thing at Edge because I 1:19:49.640 --> 1:19:52.040 don't know what the what the world is that Joshu 1:19:52.200 --> 1:19:54.720 j gets a second contract with the Patriots. And it's 1:19:54.760 --> 1:19:56.479 one of those things where it's a little bit tricky 1:19:56.520 --> 1:19:59.479 because you mentioned Chandler Jones not a bad comparison, especially 1:19:59.479 --> 1:20:03.519 because they play the same position. He is deserving if 1:20:03.560 --> 1:20:05.639 he has another good year, I should go, yeah, he's 1:20:05.680 --> 1:20:08.639 deserving of it. Yeah, but it just doesn't necessarily make 1:20:08.720 --> 1:20:11.120 sense with the way that they play defense, right, it's 1:20:11.120 --> 1:20:13.680 a tricky one. I would also just mention quickly at 1:20:13.760 --> 1:20:16.840 edge the other big thing behind Well, look, so. 1:20:16.920 --> 1:20:19.920 They let Chandler Jones walk and then they they you know, 1:20:20.040 --> 1:20:22.479 they had already drafted, but they moved Trey Flowers into 1:20:22.479 --> 1:20:25.600 a bigger role who was a much better fit for 1:20:25.720 --> 1:20:28.559 what they want from that position. So you could see, 1:20:29.439 --> 1:20:30.240 you know, the guy on. 1:20:30.960 --> 1:20:31.559 Ke On White. 1:20:31.600 --> 1:20:33.360 Yeah, actually, and that was my com for him, was 1:20:33.400 --> 1:20:36.639 Trey Flowers. Like, that's that's exactly I was gonna say, 1:20:37.040 --> 1:20:38.960 Ronnie Perkins. But I don't think he's gonna be here, 1:20:39.000 --> 1:20:41.000 but no, ke On White somebody. Yeah, so you let 1:20:41.120 --> 1:20:43.160 u cha walk, you don't pay him. Ke On White's 1:20:43.160 --> 1:20:45.160 probably gonna play that role more the way they want 1:20:45.200 --> 1:20:46.760 to play it. You already him in the building. You 1:20:46.840 --> 1:20:49.120 go take that fifteen million dollars, I'd say, go spend 1:20:49.160 --> 1:20:51.200 it on a receiver who knows how they'll spend it. 1:20:51.400 --> 1:20:54.880 On seventeen different plays exactly. Yeah, but Keon White's the guy. 1:20:54.960 --> 1:20:56.680 That was my other sort of spin off of that 1:20:57.479 --> 1:21:01.200 is behind Judah and Ucha. There's not a whole lot 1:21:01.240 --> 1:21:06.000 of proven Jennings. Anthony Jennings. I'm not forgetting about him 1:21:06.040 --> 1:21:09.040 this time. I just did. I I know. But do 1:21:09.080 --> 1:21:11.080 you think he's proven talent? Like, do you think he's 1:21:11.080 --> 1:21:12.080 a proven commodity? 1:21:12.360 --> 1:21:16.439 I think he's played. He's a backup significant NFL snaps okay, 1:21:16.479 --> 1:21:18.680 and he's held his own in playing significant NFL like 1:21:18.840 --> 1:21:21.320 proven is what I guess. My point is is like 1:21:21.400 --> 1:21:23.160 it is a third edge guy. Yeah, I feel very 1:21:23.200 --> 1:21:24.040 comfortable with him there. 1:21:24.280 --> 1:21:27.280 I'm gonna use the old Dave Damna check like Jenga analogy. 1:21:27.880 --> 1:21:31.960 If you pull Matthew Judon out of the Jenga tower, 1:21:32.560 --> 1:21:35.000 who who has a big enough piece to make sure 1:21:35.040 --> 1:21:36.240 the whole thing doesn't come out? 1:21:36.320 --> 1:21:36.439 Well? 1:21:36.720 --> 1:21:38.720 You know what I would say, on a difference, it's 1:21:38.760 --> 1:21:41.680 not Anthony Jennings. But on a different scale, if you 1:21:41.760 --> 1:21:47.080 pull Anthony Jennings out, now, who's after him? I think 1:21:47.680 --> 1:21:50.519 he's the buffer. He's the buffer you. 1:21:50.680 --> 1:21:52.600 Like Anthroonty Jenning? I do, I think Alaya. 1:21:52.680 --> 1:21:56.760 I think he's a good rotational third edge guy. So 1:21:56.960 --> 1:21:58.400 you're and that's the role he's gonna be. 1:21:58.720 --> 1:22:00.560 So then if that's the case, then they don't have 1:22:00.680 --> 1:22:01.799 depth to shoes at that position. 1:22:01.880 --> 1:22:04.439 Well behind him they have nobody, and that's a position 1:22:04.520 --> 1:22:05.400 that gets and. 1:22:05.439 --> 1:22:08.560 Then it probably becomes like a morgas Borg of like 1:22:08.640 --> 1:22:10.960 Jolanie Devai and Keon White and like a bunch, you know, 1:22:10.960 --> 1:22:11.800 a couple of different games. 1:22:11.960 --> 1:22:14.679 It would be really nice to see if Ronnie Perkins 1:22:14.720 --> 1:22:16.200 can even turn into a guy that like they can 1:22:16.240 --> 1:22:17.360 elevate from the practice squad. 1:22:18.680 --> 1:22:21.400 That's it. But that's that's what we're talking about, because 1:22:21.400 --> 1:22:23.160 I like Ronnie Perkins coming out. I thought he had 1:22:23.200 --> 1:22:27.600 potential all right, off ball linebackers, inside linebackers. But you 1:22:27.680 --> 1:22:31.679 know where I'm going, Yeah, I am. It's too many 1:22:31.720 --> 1:22:32.679 of these have been the same. 1:22:32.760 --> 1:22:33.599 This is a little weird. 1:22:33.800 --> 1:22:36.400 It's the prodigal son of the Patriots defense. It's my 1:22:36.880 --> 1:22:39.759 it's my prodigal son, I should say it's Marty Mapo. 1:22:40.160 --> 1:22:42.360 Is this team that predictable or are we have we 1:22:42.439 --> 1:22:44.720 just been spending way too much time together. I think 1:22:44.760 --> 1:22:47.720 it's the fact that we've basically done this show in 1:22:47.880 --> 1:22:49.719 like a different way for like six. 1:22:51.160 --> 1:22:53.360 Plus all the times we've done it via text message. 1:22:53.439 --> 1:22:55.400 Yeah, like this is this is this is when you 1:22:55.520 --> 1:22:58.839 know that camp means to get here. Uh, it's Marty Mapoo. 1:22:59.479 --> 1:23:03.040 It's not only him as a player, it's how they 1:23:03.200 --> 1:23:05.519 use him. Yeah, it's if they're willing to use him 1:23:05.520 --> 1:23:07.160 the way that we want him to use him, which 1:23:07.240 --> 1:23:09.880 is at linebacker, not at safety, and not at like 1:23:10.000 --> 1:23:13.320 Kyle Dugger safety like no. I want him playing linebacker, 1:23:13.560 --> 1:23:18.439 inside linebacker and next to Juwan Bentley, who I think 1:23:18.560 --> 1:23:20.400 is gonna be rock solid for you again this year 1:23:20.439 --> 1:23:25.200 with Bentley and Mapu, to me, has a lot of potential. 1:23:25.360 --> 1:23:28.000 I think that he's got He's might be the missing 1:23:28.160 --> 1:23:30.880 ingredient to solving some of these mobile quarterbacks. He might 1:23:30.960 --> 1:23:34.599 be he might be a Josh Allen killer. And if 1:23:34.680 --> 1:23:38.040 that's if that's what he ends up being, then then 1:23:38.160 --> 1:23:40.720 watch out with this defense. I think this defense that 1:23:40.880 --> 1:23:42.320 to me is the biggest X factor. I think a 1:23:42.360 --> 1:23:45.200 lot of people make Christian Gonzalez the biggest X factor. 1:23:45.240 --> 1:23:47.800 I kind of know or feel like I know what 1:23:47.880 --> 1:23:49.720 they're gonna get at a Gonzalez this year. I'm not 1:23:49.760 --> 1:23:51.400 saying it's gonna be perfect. I think there's gonna be 1:23:51.479 --> 1:23:54.360 ups and downs to it, certainly, But I think that 1:23:55.040 --> 1:23:57.760 with Gonzalez, you know that you're probably gonna have a 1:23:57.840 --> 1:24:01.960 starting outside corner on a rookies like kind of like 1:24:02.040 --> 1:24:04.200 Devin mccordy his rookie year right, Like, it might not 1:24:04.280 --> 1:24:06.400 be perfect, but he's gonna be able to hold down 1:24:06.439 --> 1:24:09.040 the position and play it at a pretty good level. 1:24:09.600 --> 1:24:12.160 Marty Mapo is the X factor. He's the swing guy. 1:24:12.800 --> 1:24:15.880 If he is is a force like we think he 1:24:16.040 --> 1:24:18.360 might be able to be. I think that their defense 1:24:18.479 --> 1:24:21.120 just got a whole lot better in terms of the 1:24:21.240 --> 1:24:25.320 upside of the defense, especially against mobile quarterbacks. And they 1:24:25.439 --> 1:24:29.000 once again, not all of them are like super mobile, 1:24:29.600 --> 1:24:32.760 but Jalen Hurts is on the schedule, Josh Allen's on 1:24:32.840 --> 1:24:35.799 the schedule, Mahomes is on the schedule, Herbert's on the schedule, 1:24:36.320 --> 1:24:38.280 and then in Miami they still run a lot of 1:24:38.479 --> 1:24:41.160 RPO option looks with Tuo, even though he's not truly 1:24:41.320 --> 1:24:44.120 mobile mobile, they still run a lot of that stuff. 1:24:44.320 --> 1:24:48.439 So solving these like college spread offenses and these athletic 1:24:48.560 --> 1:24:52.560 quarterbacks playing the position, it's Marty Mapoo. He's might be 1:24:52.640 --> 1:24:54.439 one of the biggest things out of all the big things. 1:24:54.880 --> 1:24:57.280 I kind of narrowed in on it a little bit, 1:24:58.000 --> 1:24:59.799 just what does he look like? In fully padded practice. 1:25:00.280 --> 1:25:01.599 I feel like from the spring we got a good 1:25:01.600 --> 1:25:04.200 idea about his athleticism as instincts was football IQ all that, 1:25:04.320 --> 1:25:06.479 and they all check the boxes like they there's a 1:25:06.520 --> 1:25:09.000 reason we were raving about him. But he's still six 1:25:09.120 --> 1:25:12.639 three two seventeen and that's not big for Patriots linebacker. 1:25:13.080 --> 1:25:15.320 When he's got to take on a guard in the 1:25:15.360 --> 1:25:17.600 a gap, Yeah, what is that gonna look like? That 1:25:17.840 --> 1:25:20.400 is the biggest Just hope, all right, let all right, 1:25:20.439 --> 1:25:23.160 let me that. I hope I know what you mean. 1:25:23.240 --> 1:25:24.599 That old no no, no, no no, because I miss 1:25:24.840 --> 1:25:26.960 that old phrase came back like they shouldn't ask him 1:25:27.000 --> 1:25:28.080 to do that. That's why Bentley's here. 1:25:28.160 --> 1:25:28.600 Let me phrase that. 1:25:28.960 --> 1:25:31.400 What happens when he has to tackle a two hundred 1:25:31.400 --> 1:25:34.160 and twenty pound running back in space? Yeah sure, or 1:25:34.200 --> 1:25:36.439 a two hundred and forty pound quarterback in space maybe 1:25:36.520 --> 1:25:39.439 in you know, I don't think Malik Willis is that big, 1:25:39.680 --> 1:25:43.400 but you know Malik Willis or or Will Levis when 1:25:43.400 --> 1:25:45.080 they get to that test game, or even Ryan Tannehill, 1:25:45.120 --> 1:25:47.000 like these are bigger guys. Yeah, what happens when he's 1:25:47.040 --> 1:25:48.880 one on one with that quarterback? Can he chase him? Down. 1:25:48.880 --> 1:25:50.720 Can he bring him down when it's tight ends over 1:25:50.760 --> 1:25:52.080 the middle of things like that, Like, I just need 1:25:52.120 --> 1:25:54.240 to see him in contact because that's the last box 1:25:54.280 --> 1:25:56.360 he hasn't checked. He shouldn't be shooting the a gap. 1:25:56.400 --> 1:25:58.840 I regret I said that. That's why Bentley's here. He's 1:25:59.080 --> 1:26:01.599 even said he's playing next to Bentley. Bentley's gonna run 1:26:01.640 --> 1:26:04.320 downhill and Martine mop who's gonna handle your east to west? 1:26:04.479 --> 1:26:04.759 Correct? 1:26:04.880 --> 1:26:07.080 But I want to see him basically just physically take 1:26:07.120 --> 1:26:07.760 on bigger players. 1:26:07.800 --> 1:26:10.040 You got the you got the hammer, and you got 1:26:10.120 --> 1:26:11.879 the chaser, right Like, that's that's. 1:26:11.680 --> 1:26:13.680 All like a butterfly's thing, like a big right there 1:26:13.720 --> 1:26:13.880 you go. 1:26:14.040 --> 1:26:15.519 That's what you need with Marty Mapu. 1:26:15.600 --> 1:26:17.040 But the butterflies gotta have a little bit of bike. 1:26:17.120 --> 1:26:19.240 All right. Let's move on to court. Let's move on 1:26:19.280 --> 1:26:21.400 to safeties, because I think linebacker and safety in this 1:26:21.560 --> 1:26:24.880 defense is is pretty There's some overlap. 1:26:24.680 --> 1:26:26.479 There where it did a tight end before wide receivers. 1:26:26.479 --> 1:26:27.840 So just throw the whole order out. 1:26:28.240 --> 1:26:31.160 Is there an order? Yeah? Yeah, but what do you mean? 1:26:31.320 --> 1:26:31.519 Yeah? 1:26:31.720 --> 1:26:34.720 The baden order quarterback, running back, receiver, tight end, line 1:26:34.800 --> 1:26:37.479 d line, linebacker, corner, safety, specialists. 1:26:37.040 --> 1:26:38.479 Your order is based off of Madden. 1:26:38.760 --> 1:26:39.960 Everybody's orders based off of that. 1:26:40.160 --> 1:26:42.519 Well, they're showing the John Madden football life on the TV. 1:26:42.920 --> 1:26:45.559 It's also the order that that the fantasy football stuff 1:26:45.680 --> 1:26:47.559 is in, and it's it's I don't know where it's started. 1:26:47.680 --> 1:26:51.400 Going to safeties. That has always quarterback, running back, Okay, 1:26:51.560 --> 1:26:57.320 wide receiver, tight end, tackle, guard, center, defensive inside linebacker, 1:26:57.320 --> 1:27:00.280 outside linebacker, corner, free safety, strong safety, kicker on her 1:27:00.280 --> 1:27:01.120 third down running back. 1:27:02.000 --> 1:27:05.280 We're going to safeties because there's overlap with the linebackers. 1:27:05.280 --> 1:27:07.000 No, I'm saying, we already threw out the order, so 1:27:07.160 --> 1:27:07.600 just go for it. 1:27:07.800 --> 1:27:10.000 My one big thing at safety, you know what, I'm 1:27:10.040 --> 1:27:11.760 gonna allow you to go to first because I keep 1:27:11.800 --> 1:27:13.799 stealing your one big thing. So I'm gonna be generous 1:27:13.840 --> 1:27:14.960 and I'm gonna allow you to go first. 1:27:15.040 --> 1:27:16.599 I'm gonna kind of pick up where I left off 1:27:16.640 --> 1:27:19.200 in the spring, which is like, how are the deep 1:27:19.280 --> 1:27:21.640 safety reps getting split up? It's clear that it's going 1:27:21.680 --> 1:27:23.320 to be by committee. We saw that in the spring, 1:27:23.400 --> 1:27:26.719 and we saw certain guys more than others. Jabrill Peppers 1:27:26.880 --> 1:27:29.280 played a pretty big role. I thought you saw Kyle 1:27:29.360 --> 1:27:31.559 Duggar back there a bunch Adrian Phillips a little bit, 1:27:31.640 --> 1:27:33.479 but you know, this is more of a joint practice thing. 1:27:33.479 --> 1:27:35.760 I don't know how much of this we'll see early on, 1:27:36.000 --> 1:27:39.639 but you know, Green Bay, Tennessee two minute trail, Ones 1:27:39.680 --> 1:27:41.840 on ones, Who's back? Who's deep? 1:27:41.960 --> 1:27:42.040 Is it? 1:27:42.280 --> 1:27:43.920 Is it one? Is it two? Is it rotate? 1:27:44.040 --> 1:27:46.640 Is it rotation? It's Jonathan Jones back. They're just all 1:27:46.680 --> 1:27:50.360 of it. Ed's kind of cut into that. I got 1:27:50.439 --> 1:27:52.519 asked on my mail bag this week on ninety eight 1:27:52.520 --> 1:27:55.160 five the Sports of dot Com, who is my surprise 1:27:55.479 --> 1:27:58.160 like potential breakout player for the Patriots is here? On defense? 1:27:58.479 --> 1:27:59.439 I have Dabrill Peppers. 1:27:59.680 --> 1:27:59.880 Yeah. 1:28:00.080 --> 1:28:02.240 I think last year he was coming off Torney cl 1:28:02.280 --> 1:28:03.719 he was in a new system, and he was pretty 1:28:03.720 --> 1:28:05.679 good last year and well it remember took a while. 1:28:06.160 --> 1:28:08.760 It was the second half he started to come on. 1:28:09.520 --> 1:28:11.360 Now he's healthy, he's got a full year in the system. 1:28:11.439 --> 1:28:13.840 He hit his stride late in the year. He's going 1:28:13.920 --> 1:28:16.599 to beat the whole It seems like the whole thing 1:28:16.640 --> 1:28:19.360 for the safeties this year, just overall's versatility. The way 1:28:19.400 --> 1:28:20.800 they're going to make the most out of the safety 1:28:20.840 --> 1:28:23.320 position is putting guys in different spots and mixing and matching, 1:28:23.760 --> 1:28:27.920 and no player is better suited for that than Jabrill Peppers. Yeah, 1:28:28.080 --> 1:28:30.800 so I don't know that he's gonna be like they're 1:28:30.800 --> 1:28:32.800 starting deep safety. I don't even know that he's going 1:28:32.880 --> 1:28:34.759 to be their most used safety. 1:28:35.040 --> 1:28:39.560 He's such one of those guys that it's kind of 1:28:39.560 --> 1:28:41.599 and I know that this is different because it's started 1:28:41.640 --> 1:28:43.519 here and ended here, but like it's like Patrick Chung, 1:28:44.000 --> 1:28:46.640 where like Bill's just the right coach to figure out 1:28:46.680 --> 1:28:49.000 how to use them, and early on in his career 1:28:49.120 --> 1:28:51.759 goes to Cleveland, he's like this, he's like the Heisman 1:28:51.840 --> 1:28:52.360 runner up. 1:28:52.400 --> 1:28:56.040 Or in college and they didn't use him right at all, Right. 1:28:56.000 --> 1:28:59.599 And it just it takes a coach like Bill who 1:29:00.040 --> 1:29:02.519 who is so good at taking guys that are are 1:29:02.520 --> 1:29:04.760 a tweeners and these like outside the box players and 1:29:04.800 --> 1:29:05.479 putting them into it. 1:29:05.560 --> 1:29:08.400 Well, it's funny. Joe Judge kind of figured or I 1:29:08.479 --> 1:29:10.320 forget who the DC was under Judge, but I think 1:29:10.360 --> 1:29:13.000 it was Patrick Graham, who is a Patriots guy. Yeah, 1:29:13.040 --> 1:29:15.680 he's in Vegas now, right, he's sorting maritainus. They kind 1:29:15.720 --> 1:29:17.160 of figured he kind of figured out in New York 1:29:17.479 --> 1:29:19.599 and then he tours. Acl right, he had a really 1:29:19.640 --> 1:29:22.560 good year in twenty one or no, he had a 1:29:22.600 --> 1:29:24.639 really good year in twenty and then towards a cl 1:29:24.680 --> 1:29:28.160 in twenty one and then came here. So he's still young. 1:29:28.200 --> 1:29:31.200 People didn't realize how young he's still young. I am 1:29:31.360 --> 1:29:33.800 really excited for what Chah Bill Peppers is gonna do 1:29:33.880 --> 1:29:36.280 this year. I think he could be like I again, 1:29:36.280 --> 1:29:37.439 I don't know that he's gonna be their most of 1:29:37.479 --> 1:29:39.639 use safety. I think Duggart's gonna play more. I think Pepper's. 1:29:39.840 --> 1:29:42.519 I think Phillips is gonna play more. But like third down, 1:29:42.760 --> 1:29:44.760 gotta have it downs, I think they're gonna put Jabrill 1:29:44.800 --> 1:29:46.960 Peppers on the field in a spot to make a play, 1:29:47.040 --> 1:29:48.479 and I think he's gonna make some plays, all right. 1:29:48.479 --> 1:29:48.800 I like that. 1:29:48.960 --> 1:29:49.360 I like that. 1:29:49.560 --> 1:29:51.920 I think, you know, since it's a big thing, I'm 1:29:52.040 --> 1:29:56.120 picking more big picture as well. I still think the 1:29:56.960 --> 1:30:00.519 we talked about Jenga, Yeah, I still think how they 1:30:00.680 --> 1:30:03.680 replace the leadership lost by Devin mccorty is it is 1:30:03.800 --> 1:30:04.720 maybe the biggest change. 1:30:04.960 --> 1:30:06.960 I guess I didn't think of that because it's it's weird, 1:30:06.960 --> 1:30:10.240 because that's like mccordy, we're doing this by position. McCarty's 1:30:10.240 --> 1:30:12.240 a safety, but I think that honestly comes from linebacker 1:30:12.320 --> 1:30:12.679 in corner. 1:30:13.040 --> 1:30:18.320 It just feels like they absolutely they need to figure 1:30:18.320 --> 1:30:21.720 out a communication process early on in camp, and they 1:30:21.760 --> 1:30:23.639 need to stick with it, and guys need to take 1:30:23.680 --> 1:30:25.519 on that responsible That's a big part of. 1:30:25.479 --> 1:30:26.880 The reason I want John Jones as safety. 1:30:27.000 --> 1:30:29.760 They can't just force that on somebody. Yeah, like if 1:30:29.800 --> 1:30:31.880 it's not if it's if you're not built for it, 1:30:32.040 --> 1:30:34.640 and you're not, it's not a responsibility you want to 1:30:34.720 --> 1:30:37.680 take on. You can't just be thrown into it. Well, well, 1:30:37.760 --> 1:30:40.519 look Bentley is probably going to do something quarterback to 1:30:40.600 --> 1:30:41.960 front seven. That's not a problem. 1:30:42.200 --> 1:30:44.040 I still think John Jones is the guy now. If 1:30:44.040 --> 1:30:46.200 he's playing boundary corner, that's really hard for me to do. 1:30:46.400 --> 1:30:47.840 Yeah, he could probably do it a little bit more 1:30:47.880 --> 1:30:50.280 from Nickel, But I think the biggest thing is is 1:30:50.320 --> 1:30:52.320 like when you're back there, you just see it right, 1:30:52.439 --> 1:30:54.519 Like you see the whole formation and you can kind 1:30:54.520 --> 1:30:56.839 of scan it and and see it's like a quarterback 1:30:56.960 --> 1:30:58.519 right now, you can sit back there and kind of 1:30:58.520 --> 1:30:59.800 figure out where everything is coming. 1:31:00.000 --> 1:31:03.160 Maybe that's Phillips. I just he's a smart guy. 1:31:03.200 --> 1:31:07.000 Well, We're listening to Belichick talk at Devin mccorty's retirements 1:31:07.200 --> 1:31:10.360 press conference, and who's talking about that AFC Championship game 1:31:10.400 --> 1:31:13.560 against Kansas City and all of the different checks and 1:31:13.640 --> 1:31:15.920 all the different calls that Devin made in that game 1:31:16.320 --> 1:31:20.280 to make sure that they had Tyreek Hill cover lock. 1:31:20.400 --> 1:31:21.080 Yeah, and. 1:31:22.760 --> 1:31:25.360 That's gonna happen again this year. Obviously, it's gonna happen 1:31:25.640 --> 1:31:29.120 literally with the same player twice this year with Tyreek Hill. 1:31:29.800 --> 1:31:32.120 But in general, it's gonna happen, and they're gonna have 1:31:32.200 --> 1:31:34.439 to be able to figure it out. I think the 1:31:34.560 --> 1:31:36.600 one thing, and I always give Bill credit for this, 1:31:37.600 --> 1:31:40.120 the one thing that makes their defense so great is 1:31:40.160 --> 1:31:43.920 they don't beat themselves defensively. They are structurally sound. They 1:31:44.000 --> 1:31:49.680 are terrifically structurally sound. I know some places that track 1:31:49.760 --> 1:31:51.920 it is a little bit subjective of how they track it, 1:31:52.000 --> 1:31:55.400 but like in terms of like busted coverage rate, the 1:31:55.520 --> 1:31:57.960 Patriots are always, you know, the top of the league, 1:31:58.000 --> 1:32:00.320 and how good they are at not doing that right. 1:32:00.439 --> 1:32:02.880 Like they don't just let guys run through. They don't 1:32:02.960 --> 1:32:06.000 just lose guys like twenty yards behind the defense like 1:32:06.120 --> 1:32:08.200 that thing. That type of thing just doesn't happen here. 1:32:08.600 --> 1:32:10.519 I'm not saying they don't get beat, but they get 1:32:10.560 --> 1:32:13.680 beat because it's just man on man. They get beat, right, right, 1:32:13.680 --> 1:32:16.360 But they don't beat themselves. They're not you know, they 1:32:16.439 --> 1:32:19.599 don't play cover three and they they don't have a hook, 1:32:19.760 --> 1:32:21.920 right and you're looking around and you're like, who's the hook? Right, Like, 1:32:21.960 --> 1:32:24.960 they don't. That stuff doesn't happen with the Pats. And 1:32:25.120 --> 1:32:27.280 a lot of that was because they basically had a 1:32:27.360 --> 1:32:30.720 defensive coordinator on the field in the back end. It's safe, right, 1:32:30.960 --> 1:32:33.200 a lot of that and it's gonna be a big 1:32:33.240 --> 1:32:35.000 deal for them. It's gonna be a big deal. All right, 1:32:35.080 --> 1:32:38.719 let's move over to corners. One big thing at corner. 1:32:40.000 --> 1:32:42.640 I thought about going Christian Gonzales here. It's it's it's 1:32:43.800 --> 1:32:45.559 it's low hanging fruit. I'll let you take that one. 1:32:45.760 --> 1:32:47.240 I mean live reps, Like, how does he look in 1:32:47.280 --> 1:32:47.679 live reps? 1:32:47.760 --> 1:32:51.280 Yeah, we don't want to say, yeah, pads on physicality, right, Like, 1:32:51.360 --> 1:32:53.400 how does he take that on as a as a 1:32:53.520 --> 1:32:59.280 more slender guy. The one thing that I'm gonna I 1:32:59.400 --> 1:33:01.519 think that the position I'm trying to think. I want 1:33:01.520 --> 1:33:04.080 to phrase this exactly. I think the Nickel position needs 1:33:04.080 --> 1:33:06.439 to be upgraded from Miles Bryant, and I hate picking 1:33:06.560 --> 1:33:07.800 directly on Myles bryan All. 1:33:07.920 --> 1:33:10.559 In theory, they have two better options than Jonathan Jones 1:33:10.600 --> 1:33:13.360 and Marcus Jones didn't have last year. Now, some of 1:33:13.400 --> 1:33:16.680 that goes to Jack Jones and Jalen Mills, but one 1:33:16.720 --> 1:33:18.880 of those two guys should be able, assuming everybody's healthy, 1:33:18.880 --> 1:33:20.160 one of those two guys should be able to play 1:33:20.160 --> 1:33:21.960 in there. This goes back to something Evan I talked 1:33:21.960 --> 1:33:24.000 about a lot last week. I'd still like to see 1:33:24.000 --> 1:33:26.679 them out a veteran boundary corner, like a true third 1:33:27.080 --> 1:33:30.040 veteran boundary corner, even if it's just Terrence Mitchell coming back, 1:33:30.479 --> 1:33:32.600 just so you don't end up in a spot this 1:33:32.800 --> 1:33:35.479 year where you're having to play both Jonathan Jones and 1:33:35.600 --> 1:33:37.120 Marcus Jones on the boundary regularly. 1:33:37.520 --> 1:33:41.280 Correct, But I hear you. I guess uh, Christian Gonzas 1:33:41.360 --> 1:33:43.599 is on one side, Jonathan Jones on the other side 1:33:43.640 --> 1:33:47.760 for now, Right, we're assuming that Jack Jones is not available, right, 1:33:48.880 --> 1:33:49.920 isn't Jalen Mills that. 1:33:49.960 --> 1:33:52.880 Guy unless they're just going to play him at safety? 1:33:53.080 --> 1:33:55.640 They It seems pretty clear that Jalen Mills is just 1:33:55.680 --> 1:33:58.760 a safety now. So yeah, to be fair, moving Jalen 1:33:58.840 --> 1:34:00.760 Mills back to corner could be the thing, but it's 1:34:00.840 --> 1:34:03.400 I think just like I think they're just done with that. 1:34:03.640 --> 1:34:08.200 I think Jalen Mills for them this year. I think 1:34:08.240 --> 1:34:11.320 they were done with it before Jack Jones. Okay, situation, 1:34:11.400 --> 1:34:14.280 that's fair, that's fair post Jack Jones situation, and I 1:34:14.360 --> 1:34:15.720 and I don't want to get too much into the 1:34:15.920 --> 1:34:19.160 into the Jack Jones thing, but post Jack Jones situation, 1:34:20.080 --> 1:34:25.800 I think Jalen Mills is he's a fire extinguisher. He 1:34:25.960 --> 1:34:28.800 puts out fires. Now, if in some game plans he's 1:34:28.840 --> 1:34:31.200 better at safety, he's gonna play safety. In some game plans, 1:34:31.240 --> 1:34:33.599 he's better at corner. He's gonna play corner. And when 1:34:33.640 --> 1:34:36.040 I say better, I mean more use for the matchup. 1:34:36.880 --> 1:34:39.920 So if when they play Cincinnati, instead of having to 1:34:40.000 --> 1:34:43.479 run Jonathan Jones against T Higgins, now, now maybe Jalen 1:34:43.520 --> 1:34:45.840 Mills plays corner that game and Jonathan Jones gets who 1:34:45.880 --> 1:34:47.599 goes back into the middle of the field for the day. 1:34:48.439 --> 1:34:52.080 If they're playing a match against Miami, maybe Miami is 1:34:52.120 --> 1:34:55.160 a matchup where Jalen plays more, plays more safety because 1:34:55.160 --> 1:34:57.599 they have smaller receivers, and they don't necessarily need Jalen 1:34:57.640 --> 1:35:00.679 Mills to play on the outside. I think Jalen Mills 1:35:00.760 --> 1:35:03.080 now goes and puts fires out. 1:35:03.240 --> 1:35:06.000 I like that, and I if that's if that's great. 1:35:06.400 --> 1:35:09.320 I think it's a really really valuable role. I think 1:35:09.360 --> 1:35:12.519 that that's like one of the things I'm more excited 1:35:12.520 --> 1:35:17.040 about with this defense is that they have that they 1:35:17.160 --> 1:35:19.080 have somebody they can move around like that I wouldn't 1:35:19.080 --> 1:35:21.400 call quite like a queen on the chessboard, maybe like 1:35:21.479 --> 1:35:24.840 a like a night or a rook right, Like, it's. 1:35:24.800 --> 1:35:27.720 Like, what uh to cross sports for a second, what 1:35:27.840 --> 1:35:31.200 brock Holt was and is playing with utility left fielder 1:35:31.280 --> 1:35:33.200 needs a day off, right, Brock, you're playing left field, 1:35:33.360 --> 1:35:35.360 second base. We needs a day off, Brock playing second Like, 1:35:35.520 --> 1:35:37.519 it's just wherever you need him, you can just put 1:35:37.600 --> 1:35:40.200 in there. I hope that's the case, because that then, yeah, 1:35:40.240 --> 1:35:42.560 you don't need that other boundary corner and and you 1:35:42.720 --> 1:35:45.320 save one of John Jones or Marcus Jones to play 1:35:45.320 --> 1:35:47.120 in the slot. And Miles bryan I've said this for 1:35:47.439 --> 1:35:49.400 I don't think Miles Bryant would be a bad third safety, 1:35:49.439 --> 1:35:52.800 fourth safety, whatever, like extra safety that's probably a better 1:35:52.840 --> 1:35:54.719 role than him. We don't need seem in man coverage anymore. 1:35:54.840 --> 1:35:57.760 Yeah, I agreed, that's a big thing. Yeah, you gotta 1:35:57.800 --> 1:36:01.160 get him out of man coverage. You gotta all right, specialists, 1:36:01.200 --> 1:36:02.599 you're you're your time to shine. 1:36:02.760 --> 1:36:06.320 So, like I said, I'm breaking my preview up into 1:36:06.360 --> 1:36:08.519 two parts. There's the position battle. 1:36:08.360 --> 1:36:10.960 Part seventeen thousand words. So it's actually it needs to 1:36:11.000 --> 1:36:11.840 be broken up into teams. 1:36:11.840 --> 1:36:13.840 Well, no, it's two different things. It's the position battles 1:36:13.880 --> 1:36:15.880 and then everything else to watch. So I obviously position 1:36:16.000 --> 1:36:18.360 battle punter right is a big but for the what 1:36:18.560 --> 1:36:21.640 to watch for the special teams, I'm actually curious just 1:36:21.680 --> 1:36:24.160 how they handle kickoffs. We didn't see a ton of 1:36:24.240 --> 1:36:27.519 kickoff work in the spring. It's a new rule and 1:36:27.680 --> 1:36:28.920 kickoff returns to all of it. 1:36:29.040 --> 1:36:31.200 So do you mean like from a technical standpoint, or 1:36:31.200 --> 1:36:34.040 do you mean like, let's not have Niam Hines happen again. 1:36:35.040 --> 1:36:36.519 All of it? Like, how are they adjusting to the 1:36:36.600 --> 1:36:39.599 new rule. There's you know, they invested in special teams 1:36:39.640 --> 1:36:41.639 in the offseason. They brought in Chris Board, they kind 1:36:41.640 --> 1:36:44.400 of overhaul that position. Just what does the kickoff unit 1:36:44.479 --> 1:36:45.960 look like? What is the return unit look like? Are 1:36:45.960 --> 1:36:47.479 they going to allow teams to return kicks? 1:36:47.479 --> 1:36:47.519 So? 1:36:47.560 --> 1:36:49.559 Are they gonna just try to go for touchbacks? Are 1:36:49.680 --> 1:36:51.840 they going to maybe put some fhis summer returning kicks? 1:36:51.840 --> 1:36:53.760 Are they gonna draw some stuff up? Are they gonna 1:36:53.800 --> 1:36:56.120 line up any differently? Like, I'm just curious how they're 1:36:56.160 --> 1:36:58.400 going to adapt. It is mainly I'm curious how they're 1:36:58.400 --> 1:37:00.320 gonna adapt to the new rules in that phase the game. 1:37:00.720 --> 1:37:03.080 Yeah, I think we're on the same lines as because 1:37:03.080 --> 1:37:04.960 I'm on a coaching line too, and I think that's 1:37:05.000 --> 1:37:07.439 more coaching. But I look at the way this team 1:37:07.560 --> 1:37:11.599 is constructed and I don't necessarily need them to win 1:37:11.760 --> 1:37:16.240 games in the kicking game, Like it's obviously gravy if 1:37:16.280 --> 1:37:18.519 you have Marcus Jones return a punt for a touchdown 1:37:18.560 --> 1:37:21.000 in a game, or you block a punt or whatever 1:37:21.080 --> 1:37:24.840 the case may be. But they are not going to 1:37:24.960 --> 1:37:27.000 make the playoffs again this year. They're not gonna get 1:37:27.000 --> 1:37:29.479 back to the playoffs if they're losing games because of 1:37:29.520 --> 1:37:32.160 special teams. And when I say losing games, maybe that's 1:37:32.160 --> 1:37:36.680 a little strong, but if special teams is working against them, 1:37:37.040 --> 1:37:39.400 they're gonna have a lot of trouble. I think yeah, 1:37:39.680 --> 1:37:42.240 And they are gonna have to be a clean football 1:37:42.320 --> 1:37:44.240 team again. And this is part of the reason why 1:37:44.280 --> 1:37:48.160 Bill O'Brien's back is to not necessarily because they need to, 1:37:48.720 --> 1:37:53.200 you know, change philosophies to score forty points a game 1:37:53.360 --> 1:37:56.680 or like, it's not that deep. It's simply just they 1:37:56.800 --> 1:37:59.280 need to be cleaner on offense. They need to be 1:37:59.360 --> 1:38:02.040 a more well oiled machine. I think special teams is 1:38:02.120 --> 1:38:04.920 the same way. They need to be cleaner. They can't 1:38:04.960 --> 1:38:08.320 be running into the punter on fourth and three anymore. 1:38:08.720 --> 1:38:12.880 They can't be giving up two kickoff return touchdowns in 1:38:13.000 --> 1:38:16.160 a must win, basically playoff game in Week eighteen of 1:38:16.200 --> 1:38:19.719 the season in Buffalo. We can go down the line 1:38:20.000 --> 1:38:22.560 with all all the things that happened last year that 1:38:22.760 --> 1:38:26.800 needs to change. And in the spring, Alex we saw 1:38:26.800 --> 1:38:29.799 a lot of Joe Judge on special teams. It almost 1:38:30.320 --> 1:38:34.519 felt like exclusively he's the special teams coordinator, even though 1:38:34.560 --> 1:38:38.880 he's not listed as a special teams coordinator. That is 1:38:39.439 --> 1:38:44.439 what it feels like. And if that's the answer, then 1:38:44.520 --> 1:38:47.920 that's the answer. But this, to me is the biggest 1:38:48.000 --> 1:38:50.400 risk that Bill Belichick is taking with this team again. 1:38:50.920 --> 1:38:55.160 This year is he's counting on Joe Judge to do 1:38:55.320 --> 1:38:59.360 something again. He's counting on Joe Judge to clean up 1:38:59.400 --> 1:39:02.639 special team and if special teams are a disaster again. 1:39:03.080 --> 1:39:04.720 All those calls that we didn't get as many of 1:39:04.760 --> 1:39:07.080 them on this show. They know not to call us 1:39:07.080 --> 1:39:10.320 about the drama. They leave that for Patriots unfiltered. But 1:39:10.479 --> 1:39:13.519 all the calls that we get we got earlier today 1:39:13.520 --> 1:39:17.479 on PU about Belichick's future and about his status as 1:39:17.479 --> 1:39:20.920 a coach here with the Patriots, if they lose a 1:39:21.040 --> 1:39:23.160 must win game again like they did last year against 1:39:23.200 --> 1:39:25.960 Buffalo because of kickoff returns, and it's Joe Judge's fault, 1:39:26.560 --> 1:39:30.080 it's just another It's another bullet in the old Ammo chamber. 1:39:30.320 --> 1:39:32.639 Right, like it's you start, We'll start getting the friends 1:39:32.640 --> 1:39:33.679 of Bill talking right again. 1:39:34.000 --> 1:39:34.160 Right. 1:39:34.439 --> 1:39:39.240 And I also wonder, and I like cam Accord. We 1:39:39.640 --> 1:39:42.040 like cam Accord just getting to know him a little 1:39:42.040 --> 1:39:46.560 bit covering the team. Yeah, I wonder what cam Accord's 1:39:48.000 --> 1:39:50.320 role is, what his thoughts are on all this, how 1:39:50.360 --> 1:39:53.519 he handles it. And it has a trickle down effect too, 1:39:53.560 --> 1:39:55.880 because they have three coaches now coaching special teams, by 1:39:55.920 --> 1:39:57.599 the way, because Joe Houston is still in the building. 1:39:58.160 --> 1:40:01.000 And Joe Houston was the assistants beech teams coach last 1:40:01.040 --> 1:40:03.559 year and Camra Cord was a special teams coordinator. Now 1:40:03.680 --> 1:40:07.080 Joe Houston's basically like the assistant to the assistant special 1:40:07.120 --> 1:40:10.240 teams coach. Right, all right, it's it's the old Dwight true. 1:40:10.960 --> 1:40:14.360 So at what point, like, how does that affect the 1:40:14.479 --> 1:40:17.120 dynamic and how does it affect at all? They need 1:40:17.200 --> 1:40:19.080 to be better in the kicking game. They need to 1:40:19.200 --> 1:40:21.760 go get back to in twenty one they were really 1:40:21.800 --> 1:40:24.920 good in the kicking game. Obviously in twenty they were 1:40:25.000 --> 1:40:28.400 I think that was probably their best year under a Cord. 1:40:29.320 --> 1:40:31.320 That was the year that you know, Gunner goes the 1:40:31.560 --> 1:40:34.519 against All Pro nods as a returner. Bailey was an 1:40:34.520 --> 1:40:38.040 All Pro punter that year. They won games on special 1:40:38.080 --> 1:40:41.479 teams or you know, had big plays in games on 1:40:41.560 --> 1:40:44.240 special teams. I should say this team's gonna need it. 1:40:44.520 --> 1:40:47.080 They're gonna need those points. They're gonna be the hidden yards. 1:40:47.960 --> 1:40:50.360 They're gonna need the occasional block punt, they're gonna need 1:40:50.400 --> 1:40:53.439 the occasional field flipping return. They're gonna need to cover 1:40:53.600 --> 1:40:57.120 kicks well. And if that's how they win, you know, 1:40:57.240 --> 1:41:01.720 that's how they're gonna win, you know, playoff amount of games, 1:41:01.760 --> 1:41:03.400 that's how they're gonna beIN ten to eleven games as 1:41:03.439 --> 1:41:05.240 if they do that. So that's a big deal with 1:41:05.280 --> 1:41:08.720 the special teams. I think that about does it here. 1:41:09.120 --> 1:41:12.080 Like I said at the beginning of the show, Alex 1:41:12.120 --> 1:41:13.800 and I are going to record right after this and 1:41:13.880 --> 1:41:16.639 you guys are gonna hear it next week, A how 1:41:16.760 --> 1:41:21.519 to a faq as Fred called it, of Patriots training camp. 1:41:21.560 --> 1:41:24.000 We're gonna get into the weeds a little bit about 1:41:24.320 --> 1:41:26.360 how we watch camp and that type of stuff. Well, 1:41:26.360 --> 1:41:28.880 altys have some fun with it and give some suggestions 1:41:28.960 --> 1:41:31.800 of you know, lunch spots and that type of thing. 1:41:32.320 --> 1:41:34.799 But it's a it's a Patriots Catch twenty two faq 1:41:35.479 --> 1:41:38.839 on training camp. But don't don't call in next Thursday, 1:41:38.960 --> 1:41:41.880 all right, don't call in, don't email in. It's not 1:41:41.960 --> 1:41:44.320 gonna be live live. We're live to tape. We're live 1:41:44.400 --> 1:41:47.760 to tape, So keep that in mind. And I will 1:41:47.800 --> 1:41:51.280 be on vacation. But and hopefully Just isn't listening to this. 1:41:51.560 --> 1:41:53.680 But if DeAndre Hopkins signed, we might have to do 1:41:53.720 --> 1:41:56.479 an emergency pod. 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