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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Ba Lazar, Hello, everybody nailed it.

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Speaker 2: Joined has always by our bar.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: you're wrong. I'm so fifty to fifty on that one.

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Speaker 1: That was the hardest choice I made. Anthony Jennings, Mac Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Which guy is it? But that's the hardest choice of

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Speaker 1: all the stuff on the roster projection? Yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: toughest one.

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Speaker 2: What's tougher for you? The whole roster?

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Speaker 1: Okay, right, go watch Save You're Worthy.

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Speaker 2: We we do take a lot of pride and arguing

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Speaker 2: about Anthony Jennings versus Mac.

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Speaker 1: Apparently, I'm still mad you don't watch. I'm mad you

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Speaker 1: still don't watch to Save your Worthy.

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Speaker 2: Now I haven't. But also be careful about what you

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Speaker 2: say about Mack Wilson because he's on the Twitter hunt.

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Speaker 2: Is he that lately he's been He's been tweeting a lot.

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Speaker 1: He's a good follow he is good for follow I

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Speaker 1: saw it. So somebody tweeted him that they bought his

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Speaker 1: jersey and they were like lifelong fan like that, like

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Speaker 1: town proved the haters wrong. Yeah, and he tweeted back

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Speaker 1: and he goes like, thanks, but I might get a

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Speaker 1: new number. But don't worry. If I get a new number,

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Speaker 1: I'll buy you a new jersey.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. That's the guy that gains.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a you know, I'm not a big jersey

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Speaker 2: number guy. You know that. But thirty on a linebacker

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Speaker 2: is not my favorite. That's fair. I feel like linebackers,

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Speaker 2: I want my linebackers in the fifties, you know, fifty

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Speaker 2: to fifty one, fifty four.

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Speaker 1: Some guys pull off the nineties numbers too.

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Speaker 2: I feel like nineties is more like an edge though,

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Speaker 2: Like I'm more thinking outside.

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Speaker 1: Oh, like okay, yeah, middle linebacker.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I know that, you know, fifty four has

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, yeah, there's not that many like inside linebackers.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, was it Peter Bullwaer that wre ninety one

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Speaker 1: I think the one kind of but I know it

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Speaker 1: is Alex.

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Speaker 2: And I will be with you for the next couple

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Speaker 2: of hours. We do also have something on the docket

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Speaker 2: for next week that we're looking forward to that we

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Speaker 2: are are gonna put I'm going on on Vaca, Alex

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Speaker 2: going on vacation for next week and gonna take a

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Speaker 2: week off before the calm before the storm, which means

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Speaker 2: that they'll sign DeAndre Hopkins and Dalvin Cook while I'm

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Speaker 2: on Martha's vineyard in the whole world will turn upside down.

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Speaker 2: But regardless, we're gonna have something for you next week

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Speaker 2: at our usual times, So don't don't think that we're

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Speaker 2: we're blowing you off a week before training camp, so

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Speaker 2: be on the lookout for that. But today we're gonna

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Speaker 2: here next week. So here here's the big part of

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Speaker 2: the show will be we're gonna go position by a

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Speaker 2: position again. But instead of going throughout the whole roster

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Speaker 2: and talking like we did we did the roster projection show,

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Speaker 2: big thing, one big thing at each position group. It

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Speaker 2: can be a position battle like you know, training camp battle.

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Speaker 2: It can be an individual player, it can be you know, whatever,

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Speaker 2: And we'll also talk a little bit about what's going

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Speaker 2: on in the news. Not much going on in the news,

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Speaker 2: but I do want to get our evolving weekly. We

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Speaker 2: have to have a weekly DeAndre Hopkins check in.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, pretty much.

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Speaker 2: You have to know where you're at weekly at this

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Speaker 2: the camp preview and you can call an eight five

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Speaker 2: to five Pats five hundred email in at web radio

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Speaker 2: at Patriots dot com, and we can weigh in on

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Speaker 2: anything that you want to weigh in on there as well.

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Speaker 2: But with DeAndre Hopkins, Alex, the more that this plays out,

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Speaker 2: the more I am concerned that the Patriots are essentially

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Speaker 2: But what's your where's your meter at right now? As

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Speaker 1: I still think if if things stay the way they

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Speaker 1: things happen. But if things stay the way they currently are,

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Speaker 1: I think he signs with Patriots, but that means the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs don't open up more money. That means nobody gets hurt.

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Speaker 1: That means, you know, on and on and on. And

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Speaker 1: of you know, they had their meeting and went from there,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people interpreted that as the Titans

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Speaker 1: we realize your market's changed, and we're going to adjust

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a good way of putting it.

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Speaker 2: I always look at the Patriots with contract negotiations, and

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that it's necessarily a perfect approach because

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Speaker 2: it has. I think it's cost them players, and I

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Speaker 2: think it's also gotten them players, right, you know. I

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Speaker 2: think it's gone both ways over the years. But they're

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Speaker 2: They're not one of those teams that typically Now there's

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Speaker 2: But I think that for the most part, they're a

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Speaker 2: And I don't think DeAndre Hopkins is all that different.

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Speaker 2: When we get to wide receivers specifically, that deal and

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Speaker 2: Hopkins is not a patriot untill he's a patriot, He's

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Speaker 2: I do want to start with the quarterbacks. I think

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Speaker 2: like this is more a conversation for like January. But

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Speaker 2: a waste of time. I don't think that it's really

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Speaker 2: something that bet ifits anybody, if the two players were

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Speaker 2: if I really thought bailey 'z appy was like a

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Speaker 2: this is I feel like the best thing interested the

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Speaker 2: with Mac and see where you come out with it.

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Speaker 2: I know that they were teasing me on unfiltered about

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Speaker 2: seeing Mac yesterday and and chatting with him really quickly.

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Speaker 2: But the one thing that I'm not gonna tell the

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Speaker 2: from that he does look good, Alex, do you like

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Speaker 2: hearing that he does look good? Yeah, he looks swoll,

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Speaker 2: he looks a little thing.

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Speaker 1: Wait, it's almost the best shape of his life season, So.

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Speaker 2: I don't I'm not gonna say best shape of his

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Speaker 2: don't know how much it means, probably nothing. But what

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Speaker 2: I will say is that he looks he looks ripped like,

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Speaker 2: he looks like he's in good shape. He looks like

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Speaker 2: the air. And I actually said to one of our

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Speaker 2: our social guys I was standing next to me, I

434
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Speaker 2: said that, you know, the ball that's got some zip

435
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Speaker 2: on it, like these are these are some These are

436
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Speaker 2: some fastballs. You know. He wasn't like going easy on

437
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Speaker 2: these kids. He was. He was throwing some some real

438
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Speaker 2: darts out there. I do think he looks a little

439
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Speaker 2: bit stronger. I do think the ball's coming out well.

440
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Speaker 2: I think his mechanics look good. Now, granted this was

441
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Speaker 2: against air with absolutely no competition on the field whatsoever.

442
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Speaker 2: But that's what it comes down to, uh for mac

443
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Speaker 2: is we even last year, even with as big of

444
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Speaker 2: a disaster as it was around him last year, his

445
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Speaker 2: kept clean numbers were still good. He grated out well

446
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Speaker 2: when he was kept clean. His passer rating was over

447
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Speaker 2: one hundred when he was kept clean. In the pocket,

448
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Speaker 2: we know that he can throw, He can go out

449
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Speaker 2: there and sling it like that. All day long. He

450
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Speaker 2: can do it. The question is going to ultimately be

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Speaker 2: a we can he do it under pressure? Can he

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Speaker 2: do it under duress? Can he do it from a

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Speaker 2: muddied pocket when he can't step into it and really

454
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Speaker 2: put his weight behind the football and he has to

455
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Speaker 2: just kind of flick the wrists? Like can he get

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Speaker 2: it there?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: Those are the things that are going to be the

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Speaker 2: big thing. But Jeremiah your one hundred percent right. That

460
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Speaker 2: ball had some heat on it yesterday.

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Speaker 1: But the other thing is, you know, I remember if

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Speaker 1: he called it a catchable ball, like when he came

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Speaker 1: out all the receivers, all the Pitcher series, the kid

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Speaker 1: caught that pass. Oh yeah, that's impressive. It was a

465
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Speaker 1: great catch. Yeah, doesn't say now my first.

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Speaker 2: Route because obviously I wasn't like really thinking of football

467
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Speaker 2: implications of Mac Jones throwing passes to teenagers, right, So

468
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Speaker 2: I wasn't standing there great in the throws or anything.

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Speaker 2: But it was a hell of a catch. I don't

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Speaker 2: think I could have caught that. Honestly, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: be honest about it. I don't think I would have

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Speaker 2: caught it. It had zip it and it was deep,

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Speaker 2: you know, we're talking about fifty yards. I think it

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Speaker 2: was probably if I'm going to be I might say

475
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Speaker 2: it was like fifty five to sixty. I'm gonna say

476
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Speaker 2: it was probably like fifty to fifty five. But regardless,

477
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Speaker 2: it was a good throw. Let's move on to to

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Speaker 2: running backs here and then we'll take some of these

479
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Speaker 2: calls after that. So with running backs, you know, I

480
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Speaker 2: think we didn't really do the one big thing thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna tee that up better this time. Yeah, my

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Speaker 2: one big thing with running backs is Pierre Strong. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna continue hit hammering the table for Pierre Strong. Look,

484
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Speaker 2: I'm a sucker for big plays. I'm a sucker for

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Speaker 2: explosive offense, and there just aren't that many guys on

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Speaker 2: this roster that have that big play capability outside of

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Speaker 2: Pierre Strong and probably Taekwon Thornton, right, Like, those are

488
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Speaker 2: the two guys that can really bring that speed element.

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Speaker 2: If I'm Bill O'Brien, other than remondros Stevenson. Of course,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to find ways to get Pierre Strong to

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Speaker 2: football in space. And it's not that it's not that complicated,

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Speaker 2: Like we're not putting too much on his play just

493
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Speaker 2: throw him the screen here or there, hand the ball

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Speaker 2: off to him, and so subpackage looks where there's some

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Speaker 2: space to run. Maybe hit him on a swing pass

496
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Speaker 2: coming out of the backfield. Every once in a while,

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Speaker 2: let's just see what Pierre Strong can do with the

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Speaker 2: football in his hands. And I would also say that

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Speaker 2: that being my one big thing, that running back is

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Speaker 2: also tied to some of the free agent running backs

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Speaker 2: that are available that we've talked about a lot, Dalvin Cook,

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Speaker 2: Zeke Elliott, Leonard Fournette. If it's not coming together for

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Speaker 2: Pierre Strong and it doesn't look like he's gonna be

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Speaker 2: somebody that you can count on in year two, if

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Speaker 2: some of those guys are unsigned May and August, you know,

506
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Speaker 2: going into that big like ten day layoff between the

507
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Speaker 2: third preseason game and the first regular season game in

508
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Speaker 2: the opener against the Eagles, and you're not really feeling

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Speaker 2: great about Pierre Strong and Kevin Harris, then maybe it's

510
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Speaker 2: time to call Zeke, right, Like, maybe that's when you

511
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Speaker 2: make one of those phone calls. So it's twofold one.

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Speaker 2: I think that he is a legitimate, big play weapon

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Speaker 2: that they should get involved and see, even if it's

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Speaker 2: just four or five times a game just to try

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Speaker 2: to get him a touch and get him out in

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Speaker 2: the open field. I'd love to see that, but you

517
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Speaker 2: also have to see something from him to be able

518
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Speaker 2: to put some pressure or to be able to back

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Speaker 2: up Ramondri Stevenson and be able to avoid having to

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Speaker 2: go into the free agent market, because I do think

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Speaker 2: we could wake up in six weeks and they might

522
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Speaker 2: be signing a running back because they don't feel great

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Speaker 2: about it.

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Speaker 1: So I'm actually gonna take a step further back than

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Speaker 1: where you're at. My big thing is just what is

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Speaker 1: Ramondre Stevenson's role? Yeah, what do we think? Some of

527
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Speaker 1: this goes into preseason as well, But I've said this

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Speaker 1: a lot. They overworked him last year. They overworked him

529
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Speaker 1: and he cannot be I don't think any running back

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Speaker 1: in the modern game, outside of maybe Derek Henry and

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Speaker 1: even he you start seeing him at the end of

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Speaker 1: the year. I don't think any running back in the

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Speaker 1: modern game could be like a three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: touch player. It's just the game's too physical now.

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Speaker 2: He is that what like to eighty Last year?

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Speaker 1: I think it was too was that carries. He was

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Speaker 1: pretty high up there, and he was fifth in the

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Speaker 1: league in touches last year in the regular season, which

539
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Speaker 1: is look, somebody's got to be fifth, obviously, but you

540
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Speaker 1: look at the teams that were ahead of the Patriots there.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's not sustainable. Two hundred and eighty touches

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Speaker 1: last year. But I say three fifty, I meant two

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Speaker 1: to fifty. You certainly can't be a three hundred.

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Speaker 2: Think I touchdouya nine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like two snaps off on Anthony Jennings

546
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Speaker 1: last week and you got odd me for it. So no,

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Speaker 1: it is two seventy nine you said to eighty.

548
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but giving it to myself.

549
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Speaker 1: I'm not anyway. He needs less of a role. And

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Speaker 1: that's not me saying he's bad. I think he's a

551
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Speaker 1: great player. But it's more of a quality over quantity thing.

552
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Speaker 1: I actually think if you take some of the lesser

553
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Speaker 1: impact snaps off his plate, he's going to give you

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Speaker 1: more in the big moments late in the year. Last year,

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Speaker 1: after that Cincinnati game where he fumbled late in the game,

556
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Speaker 1: he admitted that he was kind of banged up. It

557
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Speaker 1: was getting to him. Yeah, So that's what I mean

558
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Speaker 1: by it's not that I think he's bad. I want

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Speaker 1: him on the field, but I want him on the

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Speaker 1: field at his best. And I remember there was a

561
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Speaker 1: game last year, I don't remember which game it was,

562
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Speaker 1: but they were up like two scores late in the game,

563
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Speaker 1: h with like a minute and a half to go,

564
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Speaker 1: and they were still giving the bald to Stevenson to

565
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Speaker 1: run out the clock, and it was like, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: need to be in the game right now. Kevin Harris,

567
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Speaker 1: Pierre Strong, somebody.

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Speaker 2: I think it was Detroit. I don't think they had

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Speaker 2: another run.

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Speaker 1: I think it was Detroit. You're right, they didn't have

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Speaker 1: another back. So okay, that brings me back to my point,

572
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Speaker 1: like what is his Where are they taking those snaps

573
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Speaker 1: away from? Is he going to be the primary early

574
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Speaker 1: down back and then it's Pierre stronger time Montgomery on

575
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Speaker 1: third down? Is he going to be in that James

576
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Speaker 1: White role and it's Kevin Harris or maybe they signed somebody,

577
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Speaker 1: or maybe it is Pierre Strong. Is a change of

578
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Speaker 1: pace back and then early down back or do they

579
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Speaker 1: just take half of each? Remember this is what it

580
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Speaker 1: looked like they're gonna do last year, before time Montgomery

581
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Speaker 1: got hurt, it looked like they were gonna go away

582
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Speaker 1: from the early down passing down back layout and basically,

583
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Speaker 1: all right, this is a Remandree drive. This is a

584
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Speaker 1: Time Montgomery drive. This is a Damien Harris Hraff. I

585
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Speaker 1: actually like that set up better. Now, it's really hard

586
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Speaker 1: to do.

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Speaker 2: If you like that set up better than you should

588
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Speaker 2: want Dalvin Cook in this building.

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Speaker 1: I never said I don't want Dalvin Cook. I would

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Speaker 1: just rather have DeAndre Hawkins.

591
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Speaker 2: H me too. But I'm just saying, like I said this, well,

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Speaker 2: what about Leonard Fournette if you if you're not gonna

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Speaker 2: get DeAndre Hopkins, we're operating on that assumption, Like, wouldn't

594
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Speaker 2: you then just turned to say, let's just go all in?

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Speaker 1: Then yeah, I guess see, well I would almost go

596
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Speaker 1: off for Marcus Peters some money.

597
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Speaker 2: But at that point I don't think that they will.

598
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Speaker 1: I don't think they will either. But uh the point,

599
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Speaker 1: going going back to the point and butt, Leonard Fournette

600
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Speaker 1: could do this too if they don't get cooked. Right,

601
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Speaker 1: But it was like, all right, this is a Remondre

602
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Speaker 1: drive all the way through, whatever the situation. This is

603
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Speaker 1: a Time on Coverage drive all the way through. This

604
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Speaker 1: is Damien Harris drive all the way through. I wouldn't

605
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Speaker 1: hate them going back to that format either. But before

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Speaker 1: we can get into is Pierre Strong the guy to

607
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Speaker 1: replace James White? Is Kevin Harris ready to take on

608
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Speaker 1: a more regular early down back roll? And those are

609
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Speaker 1: all good questions that we'll start answering as well. That's

610
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Speaker 1: a big position battle, essentially the second running back, But

611
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Speaker 1: we don't know what the second running backs duties are

612
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Speaker 1: going to be because there was no second running back.

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Speaker 1: That's the true point, right, So let's figure out what

614
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Speaker 1: Ramondre Stevenson's doing. And then when we find out, all right,

615
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Speaker 1: here's what Ramondre's doing, here's what the other guy's doing,

616
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Speaker 1: then we can look at it and say, okay, here's

617
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Speaker 1: the one right, here's what the responsibility is for RB two.

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Speaker 1: Who fits it best? Because Strong, Harris, and Montgomery are

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Speaker 1: all very different players. Yeah, they all bring very different

620
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Speaker 1: things to the table. So that is you're like the

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Speaker 1: thing about Pierre Strong. I'm not saying you're wrong, but

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Speaker 1: I think to know what the running back this is

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Speaker 1: gonna be, it all starts with Andre Stevenson. We need

624
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Speaker 1: to know what his role is going to be, and

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Speaker 1: then we go from there.

626
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Speaker 2: So I want to spend this for it and I'm

627
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: sorry to the calls, but we're like on a roll

628
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Speaker 2: here and I don't want to I want to get

629
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Speaker 2: this out first. We're gonna get to you in the second.

630
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Speaker 2: I promise. I wanted to talk about tight ends for

631
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Speaker 2: a second because to me, this I think is like

632
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Speaker 2: the biggest X factor of this team offensively, assuming again,

633
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: no Hopkins, no external ad right, I think the biggest

634
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: X factor for this team right now is Hunter Henry

635
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Speaker 2: and Mikeasicki coexisting and being a better duo than Jona

636
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Speaker 2: Smith and Hunter Henry. Because if this tight end duo

637
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Speaker 2: can really be a factor this year, I think it

638
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: helps the team into two ways. One obviously, it helps

639
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: the team because those guys are going to be productive

640
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: and that just inherently helps the team on an individual

641
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,719
Speaker 2: level that they're going to be productive. But I think

642
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: the other thing that it really helps the team with

643
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 2: is they become one of those twelve personnel offenses that

644
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: is really multiple and now what you can really do

645
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Speaker 2: is you have an answer to whatever test the defense

646
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Speaker 2: throws out on the field against you. When I'm talking

647
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Speaker 2: more personnel wise than schematically like and then like you know,

648
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Speaker 2: actual play design personnel wise, if defenses match their twelve

649
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Speaker 2: personnel with standard nickel, that means that somebody is getting

650
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: a linebacker in coverage, right It just by the sheer

651
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: numbers of it. Somebody is getting a linebacker in coverage,

652
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: whether it's Kasiki or Henry or Remandre right or one

653
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: of the running backs Juju in the slot, like, somebody

654
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: is facing a linebacker in coverage and invanted Patriots. Now,

655
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: if they put dime defense out there, then now you

656
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: have two tight ends. And let's just say for argument's sake,

657
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: right now it's Remandre. Well, now you can go under

658
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: center and you can run the football down their throats. Right,

659
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: you got six dbs on the field. We have two

660
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: tight ends. We got this workhorse back in Remondre's two

661
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty pounds. Here it comes at you, stop it.

662
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: So I think that in order for that to happen, though,

663
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: they have to be really productive passing the football out

664
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Speaker 2: of twelve personnel like that has to be a carrying

665
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: trait for the offense, right, they have to be able

666
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: to say we can threaten out of this grouping in

667
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: the passing game, and if they can do that, then

668
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: they might be able to force teams either they're just

669
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: gonna be better right and they're going to move the

670
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: ball through the air, or they might be able to

671
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: force teams to play lighter defense, which isn't going to

672
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: allow him to run the football. So I think that

673
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: that's why twelve personnel and this is something that Bill

674
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: O'Brien is fantastic at. He's really good at using indicators

675
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: and using formations to threaten defense. He loves empty, right,

676
00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: We've talked about that a ton.

677
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Speaker 1: Well, that's why Tome Montgomery is so interesting to just

678
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: add onto it, because they.

679
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: Can play running back and he can play wide receiver,

680
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: so they theoretically, and I think Remadre could do it

681
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: too because he's so talented, so I think he could

682
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: do it too. Theoretically, they can be an under center

683
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: twelve personnel offense and an empty twelve personnel offense at

684
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: the same time. Right, and then you get into some

685
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: of the things that they used to do with vintage O'Brien,

686
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: like twenty eleven Patriots pace empty, no huddle, right, like yeah,

687
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden you get let's say

688
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: they get Week one against Philly, and they really like

689
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: running the football against Philly's dime package, like they think

690
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: that's a true advantage for them. If you can get

691
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: their dime package on the field against your twelve personnel, well,

692
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: now you go no huddle, and now they can't substitute,

693
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: and now you get them stuck in these personnel groupings.

694
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Speaker 2: This is what the Patriots used to do when they

695
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: were humming, like when they were at their best. The

696
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: other thing that they would really do a lot of

697
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: is use it to their advantage for coverage indicators. If

698
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: you put Remandra Stevenson out on the boundary and he's

699
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: technically your outside receiver, if he gets followed by a

700
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: linebacker outside, what is it? It's man coverage. Linebacker is

701
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: not playing the deep third in zone coverage, right, it's man.

702
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: If he gets followed by a corner or a corner

703
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: just bumps over and takes him, then it all of

704
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: a sudden. You can see that at zone coverage. So

705
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 2: it's two things. It's one it's formations, right, it gives

706
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: you advantages in terms of matchups within the formation, but

707
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: it's also pre snap coverage indicators of is it man

708
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: or zone based off of how they match the tight ends,

709
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: how they match the backs and things like that. How

710
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: many times did we used to see with Brady they

711
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: would get a look pre snap they'd go five wide

712
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: empty and like sometimes James Devlin would like be all

713
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: the way out here, and they would see that the

714
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: linebacker was out there with him, and then they would

715
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: know it was man coverage. So then they would throw

716
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: a seam to like Juliet Edelman against a linebacker because

717
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: this corner is stuck on James Devlin, right, or something

718
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: like that. Or how many times would we see them

719
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: get this five wide look? They look at it, they say,

720
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 2: the defense is in a pretty good shell against what

721
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: they're throwing, and all of a sudden, Brady calls everybody

722
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: back in and now we're under center against dime defense

723
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: and we're running the football because that's the look that

724
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: the defense gives them. Those are the types of things

725
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: that I want to see the Patriots be able to

726
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 2: get back to. But all of it to me, and

727
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: this is why it's my one big thing with the

728
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: tight ends, all of it to be comes back to

729
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: You can only do that if you're productive out of

730
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: twelve personnel, right, and the problem was that the reason

731
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: why they use twelve personnel so few and far between,

732
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: relatively speaking with Johnny Smith and Hunter Henry is because

733
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: they weren't a good offense with the two of them

734
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: on the field together. They were a better offense with

735
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: just using one at a time. If they're gonna be

736
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: if they're gonna max out their personnel, then it's got

737
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: to be both of them together. And I think that

738
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a huge, huge, sort of tipping point

739
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: for the whole offense. And that's why it's my one

740
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: big thing for tight ends. I think like getting into

741
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: like Johnny Lumpkin and Scottie Washington is a little bit.

742
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: You know, that's training camp fodder for sure, but in

743
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: terms of the big picture, it's got to be they've

744
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: got to be a twelve personnel base. They have to

745
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: be able to rely on that, and that's how they

746
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: can really mess with defenses and have an answer.

747
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: So you're gonna hate my one big thing for wide receivers.

748
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: Okay, well we'll get to it in a second. Let's

749
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 2: take some of the calls they've been waiting. All right,

750
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Speaker 2: Sean and Vancouver kick us off. What's up?

751
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 4: Sean, Hey, excuse the noise. I'm on a I guess

752
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 4: a foot passenger ferry. We call the SeaBus here, so

753
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 4: you hear that rumpling in the background. Just got a

754
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 4: couple of things, Evan, I want to get to what

755
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 4: you were asking before in regards to truth here for

756
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 4: Robert Kraft about the payments, and just remind blisters we're

757
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 4: talking about his hall of fame. I mean, if you're

758
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 4: thinking about the Patriots history of dynasty, really a lot

759
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 4: of people argue that it's Belichick versus Brady, but really

760
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 4: the real answer is all three was Robert Kraft, Belichick,

761
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 4: and Brady. They all contributed, and they all helped each

762
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,959
Speaker 4: other and built that gynasty for twenty years. And that's

763
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 4: only one of the reasons that he belonged in the

764
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. But when you when you ask him,

765
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 4: and here's my educated guest, about payments, about salary, about

766
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 4: any of that, you know, Robert Kraft the first decisions

767
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 4: like that, when he's not the expert, he's going to

768
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 4: bring in people that are experts. So I don't think

769
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 4: he had any kind of limit on that. I don't

770
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 4: think he would put his decisions. I don't think Belichick

771
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 4: even went to him with that kind of stuff. The

772
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 4: people in the building that are going to make the

773
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 4: salar decisions in terms of who they're going to put

774
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 4: on the team, who they're going to keep, and how

775
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 4: it's going to work around that, and that's that's how

776
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 4: they built the team. The other thing I wanted to

777
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 4: point out, as you were talking to obviously about Stanley Morgan, Yeah,

778
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 4: he definitely deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

779
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 4: And the reason he's not won, well, they never wanted

780
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 4: to Super Bowl. But also they were a running team

781
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 4: in a running era. The Patriots never had a really

782
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 4: strong passing game until I'd say till Bledsoget got there

783
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 4: in the early nineties. I don't remember any year besides

784
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 4: eighty six that he had more than like eighty targets,

785
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 4: Like they weren't counting targets, but the guy didn't drop

786
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 4: the ball like he just he had like nineteen average

787
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 4: one over nineteen now yards per catch is incredible. He

788
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 4: definitely was one of the best receivers in the history

789
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 4: of the nfls And my second thing that I wanted

790
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 4: to bring up we were talking earlier about quarterbacks. Good

791
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 4: quarterback always being clutched. Well, here's one example I think

792
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 4: that the or not bad is Aaron Rodgers, one of

793
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 4: the top quarterbacks. I wouldn't consider him clutch And I'll

794
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 4: leave you guys for comment on that.

795
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: Thanks Sean. Yeah, that's that's true. Aaron Rodgers is probably

796
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 2: one of the outliers here. Yeah, in terms of that.

797
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: And I look, I brought up the cash spending thing

798
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 2: because it's a hot topic right now, and I genuinely

799
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Speaker 2: think that I would like to I said, if I

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00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: had some truth serum to give Robert Kraft, I would

801
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: ask him, like, what's the truth behind all that? Right?

802
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: If I could. What a bottom line is is that

803
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 2: I just think that there's a really nuanced answer to

804
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 2: how they handle their salary cap and how they handle

805
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: their payroll quite frankly, in terms of the NFL roster,

806
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 2: in terms of the roster the football team, excuse me,

807
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 2: And I just want to know, like I just want

808
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: to know what's like the forty chests that they're playing

809
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: with the with the payroll, because I know it's not

810
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: as simple as like you know, mister Craft sets a

811
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 2: budget and Bill has to stick to it, and that's

812
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: that it's it's much more nuanced than that. And I

813
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: think that they're you know, the talk radio fodder is

814
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 2: about the real cash spending and all that kind of stuff.

815
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 2: And I would love to hear like an economics one

816
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 2: on one course on on how they they handle their

817
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 2: payroll because they are not pumping any tires here. They

818
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: are one of the best, if not the best, salary

819
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: cap management teams in the NFL for twenty plus years. Yes,

820
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: so they whether it's their nerds are great and their

821
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: accountants are great, or whatever the case may be, they

822
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 2: do a really good job. And I'm one hundred percent

823
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 2: with you on rober Kraft getting into the Hall of Fame,

824
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 2: hundred percent with you on the steamer Stanley Morgan getting

825
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: into the Hall of Fame mentioned they didn't throw a lot.

826
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Speaker 2: That's probably why. Stanley Morgan, what was the leader in

827
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: yards per catch until like.

828
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: The He's the all time leader and yards per catch

829
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: among receivers with at least five hundred catches nineteen point

830
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: two yards per catch.

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Speaker 2: That's absurd, that's wild, especially given the era that he played.

832
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: In the fact that that number or how long ago

833
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: he played, I should say, the fact that number still

834
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,479
Speaker 2: holds up is pretty incredible. Yeah, that's still the case.

835
00:38:53,520 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: All right, Patty, what's up? Patty? Still I'm a jake,

836
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: So real.

837
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 5: Quick point before I get into my Patriots point, I

838
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 5: call Aaron Rodgers the greatest front running quarterback in history

839
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 5: because when he's got to lead, he's almost insurmountable. But

840
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 5: especially in big games, that guy goes down by one

841
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 5: score and he's he's coasts, he's done. He doesn't know

842
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 5: how to play position. My Patriots point regarding mac Evan

843
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 5: not just the twelve person of all, I just think offensively,

844
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 5: they have to be better everywhere, you know, And like

845
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 5: I said, uh a few weeks ago, I think that's

846
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 5: going to be the breakout player because I do think

847
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 5: he is a smart quarterback. And I mean we thought

848
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 5: the last great era with Brady and and Nanning, and

849
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 5: I mean they did they had great arms. They didn't

850
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 5: have the greatest arms of all time are the best

851
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 5: arm talent, but they just they were just so smart.

852
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 5: They knew how to play the game. They knew how

853
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 5: to been to the late defense. And I think that

854
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 5: with O'Brien back here on board, I think they're they're

855
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 5: going to get him the freedom. Hopefully they get the

856
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 5: freedom to use his great statt which is his brain

857
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 5: at the line of scrimmage to make plays, you know,

858
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 5: to get the defense, as you guys like to say,

859
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 5: you know, put them in stress or however you articulated.

860
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Speaker 5: So that's where I'm coming from. That's what I want

861
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 5: to see and let's go, baby. I can't wait for

862
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 5: freaking training Gip.

863
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Patty, I've been. I told Alex last

864
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: week that I already had the itch. I don't know

865
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: about everybody else. Morrell did, are you Coaston Stiller? Do

866
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: you do you want football?

867
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: One week left?

868
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well yeah, we're all ready to go here. Trust me.

869
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: I can't wait. But I think Mac, you know, I

870
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: that thing was going around Twitter Alex about like the

871
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: top five players on the Patriots faster. I didn't put

872
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 2: Mac in my group of guys that were in the conversation,

873
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: and you know, a lot I did get some pushback about that.

874
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 2: And although I don't think that he's in that conversation currently,

875
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: he's probably the one player that I would say that

876
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: that has the best potential to be next year and

877
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 2: probably needs to be right, and that certainly needs to

878
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: be next year. But I I like what I've seen

879
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: from Max so far in the in the in the spring,

880
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: excuse me, it's obviously spring. It's it's early. But I

881
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: like more importantly, I I like the way he's carried himself,

882
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: in the way that he's he's talked. I think that

883
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 2: there's a lot to be said for the fact and

884
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: look he's thrown I know your station is a little

885
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: bit more subjective to these types of things than me.

886
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: He's thrown some verbal jabs, potentially in press conferences, even

887
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: in the spring, you know, talking about it being normal

888
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: and like stuff like that compared to last year. But

889
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 2: for the most part, he has been quiet. He's he's

890
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 2: kept his door, his mouth kind of shut. He's worked hard,

891
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: he's put his head down, and he's gotten ready for

892
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: the season. He hasn't done press. He hasn't like given

893
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 2: an exclusive to somebody about how awful the Matt Patricia

894
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: hero was or you know something like that, right, Like,

895
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: he hasn't done any of those types of things. And

896
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: I think he has got a little bit of a

897
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: chip on his shoulder. I'm just that's all I'm gonna

898
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: say about it. But I think he's got it. I

899
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: think he's got a chip. I think he hears it

900
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: and he's not Yeah, definitely, he's not hearing it like

901
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: in like a Braddy of like get off my lawn

902
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: type of way. I think he's hearing it and like

903
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 2: using it. You know, he's trying to at least.

904
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he's internalizing it. And that's the right

905
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: thing to do, is as long as it doesn't cross

906
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: the line. I think that's what happened last year. I

907
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: think early on it was good and then late in

908
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: the season it just became too much and he crossed

909
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: the line. So it's it's it's a bouncing act. Really,

910
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: that's what it is.

911
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 3: Is.

912
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 2: Yep. All right, let's get the Todd in North Carolina. Todd.

913
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 2: First of all, thank you for lunch, Todd. That was funny.

914
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 3: No problem. My question, my concern has been over the

915
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 3: last little while, and you guys have been touching on it,

916
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 3: but nobody's actually brought it up. What is the effect,

917
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 3: Like you guys are the stat nerds, you'll get this.

918
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 3: What is the effect on the defense's level of play

919
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 3: based on the time of offensive possess because we just don't

920
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 3: keep the ball like we go three and out?

921
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 5: Like, are we the best.

922
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 3: Team at going three and out? Like last year? Did

923
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 3: we have the most three and outs?

924
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 5: But of any other team, it seems that our defense.

925
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 3: Gets beat up by the end of the year. And

926
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 3: this is why older players like Jude and stuff just

927
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 3: don't have anything less in the tank. So how are

928
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: we going to deal with that this year? Like a yeah,

929
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 3: is this just going to be a total change with

930
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 3: the new the new coach and system and the linemen

931
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 3: and stuff. Because if we don't, if we keep going

932
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: three and out, I don't care who we have back there?

933
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 1: Todd?

934
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: Is it?

935
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 2: Todd? Is it Todd?

936
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

937
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: Todd?

938
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: That is an awesome call, Todd, Thank you. I have

939
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: been for lunch. The man Evan knows. I'm surprised you

940
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: roll your eyes as soon as he brought that up

941
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: because you knew where I was going. How much have

942
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: I been banging the table on this going back to

943
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one season, Yeah, you cannot. And it

944
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: was like the Cowboys game the Bucks get Oh the

945
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: defense blew it late? Yeah, well they were getting out

946
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: snapped by thirty plays. Yeah, it's absolutely a factor in

947
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: its got it?

948
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: We hit the button there you go.

949
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: So it's it's something that's gone. I thought it was

950
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: just me. I thought I was yelling into the fog

951
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: shoutouts of ton. No, it's something that nobody.

952
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: Wants to talk about at nuanced talls.

953
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: I know they don't because it's because how dare the

954
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: defense be good? And because how dare the defense be good?

955
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: But and that's not to say the defense has been perfect.

956
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: They've had their issues. But this is it all goes

957
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: back to Super Bowl fifty one. This is the story

958
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: of what happened in Super Bowl fifty one. The Falcons

959
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: scored on quick drives, they scored on a pick six.

960
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 1: Their defense was on the field a ton through the

961
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: first three quarters of that game, even though they had

962
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: the big lead, and then late they were gassed yea,

963
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: And that, among other things, is what opened the door

964
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 1: for the Patriots.

965
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: And seventeen os going. It's the same thing.

966
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: The same thing happened in I forget which one it was,

967
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: but the Alabama Clemson National Championship that Hunter Renfro caught the.

968
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: Pass at the end of you're talking like Spanish.

969
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: Alabama had Alabama's defense had been on the field thirty

970
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: five more snaps. Okay, but it's the same thing. It

971
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: happened in the Bucks game a couple years ago, it

972
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: happened in the Cowboys game. I think you saw it

973
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: a little bit in that Vikings game this year, Like.

974
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: That Cowboys game was a big one that I remember that.

975
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: There's been so many games the last few years, and

976
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: this is not like a Matt Patrician thing knocked over

977
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: water bottle. This is not a Mattatrician thing. This goes back.

978
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: There's been so many games that are close. And we

979
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: get to the second half. I can like see myself

980
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: doing this up in the press box, and I go

981
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: into the stats page and I look at the play count.

982
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: How many teams does each play run? And even though

983
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: it's a close game, maybe the Patriot are head a

984
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: little bit, the other team offensively has run like thirty

985
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: more plays than the Patriots because Patriots scored on a

986
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: pick six or a big player or something like that.

987
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: And I'm like, here we go. The defense is gonna

988
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: get gased. That is such a great point. They need

989
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: more sustained drives. And you know where this is massive,

990
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 1: Evan is against Buffalo.

991
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's been a huge issue against Buffalo Buffalo.

992
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: A big part of the reason Buffalo is as successful

993
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: as they are is they are boom and bust offense

994
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: that creates margin forrer by how quickly they can score.

995
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: They're going to have bad drives, but because they can

996
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: score so quickly, they know if they get twelve thirteen

997
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: drives a game, enough of them will be good that

998
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: they'll be successful. How do you beat a team like that?

999
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: Ball control, in controlling the clock, in limiting them to

1000
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: seven or eight drives, and that's then they have to

1001
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: be perfect. It shrinks their margin for error. I think

1002
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: it was the Bucks game. I forget which game it was.

1003
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: It might have been the Bills game. One of the

1004
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: games of twenty twenty one. No, I remember this. We

1005
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: had this conversation that my whole key to the game

1006
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: was you can't allow them a ninth drive if they

1007
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: like they're average per year, whatever we got it for

1008
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: the year.

1009
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: One makes us a good team because these types of

1010
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 2: like like this just I don't have an eye for it. Well,

1011
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: first I'm sewing the weeds on the x's and o's

1012
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 2: in the film and all that, and then Alex is like, well,

1013
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 2: what about the ninth drive?

1014
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, it's funny because when we first

1015
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 1: started working together, you'd roll your eyes at this because

1016
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: you thought it was just nonsense, and then you see

1017
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: it play out. I think I can't remember what game

1018
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: it was, but there was a game.

1019
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: I remember distinctly. The game that I remember off the

1020
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 2: top of my head or the defense was just absolutely

1021
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: gassed by the end was the Dallas game. And I

1022
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 2: remember because they mac threw the pick six to Trayvon

1023
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: Diggs and then through the eighty r touchdown to Kendrick

1024
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: Boren on like back to back plays. So the Patriots

1025
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: defense was just out there the whole entire game, it

1026
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: felt like. And then once they got into overtime and

1027
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: the Patriots didn't score on the first possession of overtime

1028
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: in the Dallas game, that you knew the Cowboys. The

1029
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 2: defense just had nothing left, like the Cowboys just walked

1030
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 2: down the field.

1031
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: So here's what it was. I found it. So it

1032
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: was the Tampa game that year, through the first couple

1033
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: of games whatever that was Week five, right week four,

1034
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: Week five through the first however, many games had been

1035
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: something like eighty close to ninety percent of their points

1036
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: came within their first nine drives. They didn't score late

1037
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 1: in games that I remembri said all week. You can't

1038
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: allow them a tenth drive. You got to control the ball.

1039
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: Nine drives are fewer. They scored the game winning field

1040
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: goal on their tenth drive.

1041
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 2: There you go. And I think the biggest thing.

1042
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: Which was like a march of the drive that drained

1043
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: the clock because the Patriots defense just they were done.

1044
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were done for me. Look like you just

1045
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: laid it out better than I can. So I'm not

1046
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: gonna add too much to it.

1047
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: A fifteen play sixty eight yard drive.

1048
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 2: The I feel like I've always I feel like I'm

1049
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: on my soap box with the Patriots defense. Defending the

1050
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 2: Patriots defense a lot because and I'm not saying this

1051
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: like to be snarkyars I.

1052
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: Am too, and I'm not ashamed of it.

1053
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: To be pretentious or whatever. I watch a lot of

1054
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: of football during the season. I watch a lot of

1055
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: other defenses. I watch a lot of other defenses film,

1056
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 2: you know, to get ready for the next game, to

1057
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 2: preview the next game, and I'll i'll and in defenses

1058
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: against the Patriots offense and so on and so forth.

1059
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: And the Patriots defense to me is hands down, consistently

1060
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 2: over the last couple of years, been one of the

1061
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: best defenses to watch on film in the NFL. And

1062
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: they get this paper tiger label from a lot of

1063
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,479
Speaker 2: people because they don't go toe to toe with Josh

1064
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: Allen and they don't shut out the Bills, or they

1065
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: don't you know, Lamar Jackson has a huge game on them,

1066
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: or justin Fields in that Monday night game, which granted

1067
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 2: was a bad game, and yeah, that was just not

1068
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: letting them off the hook for it. But my point,

1069
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: my general point is is that I would like to

1070
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: see the Patriots defense and how they would look if

1071
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 2: the offense is pulling the rope in the same direction,

1072
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: if the offense is playing complimentary football, if the offense

1073
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: is sustaining drives at the offense is you know, breaking

1074
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: even on play counts in time of possession, if the

1075
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: offense is putting up thirty points in a game. Yeah,

1076
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: if you're telling me that the offense is holding its

1077
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: end of the bargain, how does the Patriots defense look then,

1078
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: Because when the Patriots defense gets into a game, their

1079
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 2: margin over the last couple of years, and certainly last

1080
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: year was basically like, if you hold it, don't hold

1081
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: this offense to twenty points or under, we're losing.

1082
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: Well, And that's not fair. Point, it's not fair. As

1083
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: much as that stat makes me roll my eyes. Everybody say, oh,

1084
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: the Patriots defense, they can't beat these good quarterbacks, but

1085
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: a lot of you're in the game late. You can

1086
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 1: only ask the unit to do so much and if

1087
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: it I'm not gonna fault them. I'm not gonna fault

1088
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: the defense for giving up a touchdown on the last

1089
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 1: drive of a game that they lose seventeen to fourteen.

1090
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: We had this conversation a couple of years ago Evan

1091
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: on a previous show that what an elite defense. You're

1092
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: never gonna see the two thousand Baltimore Ravens again. You're

1093
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: never gonna see the two thousand and two Tampa Buccaneers again.

1094
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: You're never gonna see two thousand four Patriots again. The

1095
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: definition of an elite defense in the modern age is

1096
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: very different. It's basically, can you give your offense enough

1097
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: of a chance to go punch for punch at the

1098
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: end every single week? Because I know that sounds like

1099
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: not a lot, Oh, can you just keep them in

1100
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: the game? There are a lot of defenses that more

1101
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: often than not can't even keep their team in the game,

1102
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: no matter how good the offense. And that's what this

1103
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: defense does. They keep the offense in the game. More

1104
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: often than not, they just can't finish it. I do

1105
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: want to say so. First off, I have here Super

1106
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: Bowl fifty one. The Patriots ran. I have to do.

1107
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 2: They always comes back to twenty eight to three. It

1108
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 2: always comes back.

1109
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: The Patriots ran eighty eight offensive plays to the Falcons

1110
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: forty three.

1111
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: Wow.

1112
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: You think that's the extreme to.

1113
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: Think that that happened in a game where the Falcons

1114
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 2: once led twenty eight to three, but that had that

1115
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 2: kind of played discrepancy.

1116
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: Sorry, forty one forty one, Yeah, eighty eight to forty

1117
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: one was the place. From that one on a napkin.

1118
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: I was about to but then you threw back to

1119
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: me too quickly the other one. And and by the way,

1120
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: shout out to whoever put in the chat, shout out

1121
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: to what shout out who ever put in the chat correctly?

1122
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: That how does he not get that? I don't get

1123
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: that at all. That Alabama would have won the twenty

1124
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: seventeen National championship had both Scarborough not broken his leg.

1125
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 1: Alabama's offense in that game ran sixty six plays.

1126
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: We're not doing Alabama.

1127
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: Clemson ran ninety nine plays ninety a ball game. But no,

1128
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: But this is the point, this is the point. You

1129
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: can't ask your defense for much on the ninety ninth

1130
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: play of the game. At that point, you failed them. Yes,

1131
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: if they're on the field for ninety nine places.

1132
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 2: What it comes down to me is, let's just see

1133
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 2: the Patriots defense through a large sample size where the

1134
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 2: offense is also doing its part and it's not. That's

1135
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 2: the biggest thing. If you go into a game defensively

1136
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: and your margin of error is so razor within that

1137
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: essentially you have to hold that team to like twenty

1138
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 2: one points, twenty points or you know, you're automatically done right,

1139
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 2: Like just imagine playing defense like it's not a defense issue.

1140
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: Ye at that point?

1141
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 2: All right, let's take this last call and then we'll

1142
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 2: get back to the camp stuff. Matthews in New Mexico.

1143
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 2: It's up, Matthew.

1144
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 6: Hey, how's it going, guys?

1145
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 7: Thank Evan.

1146
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 6: I called it on PU about the defense, but that

1147
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 6: is a good part about the offense. That and I'm

1148
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 6: thinking about now, but I'm calling this is kind of

1149
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 6: how I make sure to like Bill with like the offense.

1150
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 6: It could be like his neighbor, you know, like Bill,

1151
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 6: like you know, there's a lot of playmakers in the league,

1152
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 6: Like are you guys going to hire any playmakers? And

1153
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 6: Bill probably like what do you mean I signed?

1154
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 3: Juju?

1155
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 6: And you know, am I wrong?

1156
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? I guess are you saying that Bill is just

1157
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: like things that that's good enough? Is that where you're

1158
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 2: getting at?

1159
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, and just like it goes to just what you

1160
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 6: used to have, Like he's operating like we have time,

1161
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 6: you know what I mean?

1162
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it does like he could be like.

1163
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 6: You mean, what do you mean I got my big

1164
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 6: guys juju?

1165
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's it's it's how I feel about it too. Matthew,

1166
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: thanks for the calls on both shows. I look that

1167
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: that's how that's my biggest thing. We had a lot

1168
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 2: of calls and a lot of talk on on PU

1169
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: today Alex about Bill and his job security and all

1170
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, and uh, it's a Willhelm and

1171
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: film came after me a little bit. Morrell that that

1172
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: was interesting is we got into a little bit, but uh,

1173
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: the uh the biggest thing was to me, is is

1174
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 2: I have no issues with Bill to coach. I don't.

1175
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: I don't have very many issues outside of the big

1176
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 2: caveat you know, the big elephant to the room of

1177
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 2: matt Patricia last year, like in terms of like what

1178
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 2: he does on a week to week, day to day

1179
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 2: basis with the football team, the game planning, the x's

1180
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 2: and o's, the playbook right, Like, I don't have any

1181
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: issues with any of that stuff. I'll still take Bill

1182
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 2: Belichick over the field when it comes to his ability

1183
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 2: to coach and manage the football team in season. My

1184
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 2: biggest gripe with Bill is roster construction and roster building.

1185
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: And I think Matthew just made the point for me.

1186
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: It comes down to how do you view the quarterback

1187
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 2: position and if you're operating under the assumption that the

1188
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: quarterback is gonna make the whole thing go, I don't

1189
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 2: know if you have that guy yet that makes you

1190
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 2: feel comfortable with that. And when they had Brady, like

1191
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: if you put Brady not forty six year old Brady

1192
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 2: or however old he is now, but just Brady in

1193
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: an offense with Juju and Kasiki and Henry and Parker

1194
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 2: and Born and Thornton, Like, I think this offense would

1195
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: be a top five offense yeah, with Tom Brady, But

1196
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 2: they don't have Tom Brady. So that means that instead

1197
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 2: of a top I mean.

1198
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: To be fair with offense, isn't a top five offense

1199
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: with Tom Brady?

1200
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the nineteen offense was I I wasn't

1201
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: really tom Brady though, yeah, you know what I mean? Though, yeah, no, no, no,

1202
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 2: do I do mean I think that they have better

1203
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: weapons than they did in nineteen.

1204
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: Now, oh yeah, this is the best. Uh, this is

1205
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: the best assortment of offensive talent they've had since I

1206
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: would even say seventeen. Yeah, oh, I guess for like

1207
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: one week in nineteen they were loaded right when they

1208
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: had Antonio Brown and Josh Gordon then.

1209
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 2: But you know.

1210
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: This, this should be all right. So maybe seventeen's a

1211
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: little far back, but definitely since all of that, since

1212
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: the Antonio Brown drama and everything, this is the best

1213
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: group of skill position players.

1214
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,280
Speaker 2: But the problem is is that it's still not built

1215
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 2: up to the point where it's quarterback proof. The quarterback

1216
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 2: is still gonna have to play well correct. They still

1217
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 2: need a good quarterback, and maybe my dream scenario of

1218
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 2: being like, I would love to be quarterback proof. Obviously

1219
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 2: I would love to have Tom Brady again, or Patrick

1220
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 2: Mahomes or insert you know franchise quarterback here. But in

1221
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 2: this rebuilding process and the stage that they're in right now,

1222
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: my ideal is to be quarterback proof. And we've talked

1223
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 2: about this concept a lot, to be able to be

1224
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 2: able to just have everything so buttoned up around the

1225
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: quarterback that if you just get adequate quarterback play, then

1226
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 2: you're gonna be fine. And if you don't have one

1227
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 2: of those franchise guys, that's what you need to strive for.

1228
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: That's what you need to go for. And to me,

1229
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 2: the Patriots are not operate. The Patriots are operating like

1230
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,240
Speaker 2: Mac Jones is a franchise quarterback is like this elite

1231
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 2: franchise guy where they can be okay with middling weapons,

1232
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 2: but they don't have that guy at the quarterback position.

1233
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: And until that, philosophically, they basically have like three doors

1234
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 2: that they could walk through. Door number one is that

1235
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 2: Mac Jones takes that next step and becomes elite yep.

1236
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 2: Door number two is that they move on from Mac.

1237
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 2: Or door number three is that Bill changes his philosophy,

1238
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: and Bill goes from Juju Smith Schuster being the highest

1239
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: paid receiver on the Patriots roster to trading and paying

1240
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 2: Jerry Judy right like or whatever the case may be.

1241
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 2: And if Bill is not going to walk through door

1242
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 2: number three with mac Jones as the quarterback here, then

1243
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 2: I will continue to have gribes with him, but I

1244
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 2: don't have any grips with them in terms of like, Okay,

1245
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: it's Tuesday and we're game planning for the Philadelphia Eagles.

1246
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 2: I'm still taking Bill. Yeah, And I think that that's

1247
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: like sort of the difference. And for some people, I

1248
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 2: get that that's like a confusing it's the same person,

1249
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 2: even though it's two different jobs GM and coach. It's

1250
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 2: the same person here. So it's all falls on Bill.

1251
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 2: So if you're out on him as a GM, then

1252
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: you're also out in him as a coach. Like that's

1253
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: sort of how it works for a lot of people.

1254
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,439
Speaker 2: But for me, I separate the two things. I don't

1255
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: know if he'll change, and I don't know if mac

1256
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 2: Jones is going to be elite so and I don't

1257
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 2: know if they're gonna move on. And that's how you

1258
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: just get stuck at eight and nine, right, Like, that's

1259
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 2: just how well. I mean, they're gonna have to They're

1260
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 2: not gonna extend mac Jones. He's not good, right, But

1261
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 2: when I say move on, I guess is more like

1262
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 2: for his fourth and fifth year.

1263
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: All right, so yeah, short term move on, yeah you.

1264
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 2: Know, or short term stick with him, I guess. All right,

1265
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 2: let's get back to the training camp stuff. We were

1266
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 2: ended at tight ends. Do you have a thought on

1267
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 2: the tight ends or did you.

1268
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: Know we we pretty much covered it.

1269
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 2: Wide receivers speak of the devil right easily. The I

1270
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 2: think if we added up the amount of airtime we

1271
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 2: spike about one position on Patriots dot Com radio, morell

1272
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: wide receivers would be in a landslide. It's the talked

1273
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 2: about position group on the team by a ton, an

1274
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 2: absolute ton. My big thing at wide receiver is still Taekwon.

1275
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 2: It's still Taekwon. I can't let it go. They have

1276
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 2: as much as they have to see what they have

1277
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 2: in mac Jones. I also think that they need to

1278
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 2: give Taekwon opportunities. And I know you're right about you

1279
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 2: can't do it at expense at the quarterback, right if

1280
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 2: he's a better player. You gotta play the better player.

1281
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 2: But I look at the way that Bill O'Brien can

1282
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 2: use Taekwon and use his speed out on the field,

1283
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 2: and you know, separate from signing DeAndre Hopkins, like that's

1284
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 2: the one caveat of Like if they sign him, then

1285
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: obviously I don't really care about Taekwon as much. But

1286
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: to me, my one big thing is that you have

1287
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 2: to you have to make Taekwon work at some point.

1288
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 2: You got to make one of these receivers work that

1289
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 2: you've drafted. You gotta they gotta figure it out. You

1290
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 2: gotta develop them. It's not just about how they use them.

1291
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: It's not just about scheme and Bill O'Brien like, can

1292
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: we also develop a receiver, like can we get making

1293
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 2: a receiver better? I think they did that with Jacoby

1294
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: even though it wasn't drafted. Yeah, I think they did

1295
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 2: that with Jacoby, So they're capable of doing it. But

1296
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 2: I think with Jacoby the difference was Jacoby had the

1297
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 2: drive and he had the he put in a ton

1298
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 2: of work. He put in a ton of work, thank you.

1299
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 2: That's the best way to put it. He put in

1300
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 2: a ton of work.

1301
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: Not that Taekwon isn't, but like he had Jacoby grinded.

1302
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 2: That was Jacoby had like a little Edelman in him. Yeah,

1303
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 2: in that respect, which.

1304
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: Whenever he followed Julian Edelman around, Yeah, which.

1305
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 2: Might have on his head, which might maybe we'll talk

1306
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 2: about this at the end, Bruce Cassidy and Milton with

1307
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 2: gross anyways, Yeah, that that that's my big thing at receiver.

1308
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 2: I also will say I'll guess you go first, because

1309
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 2: I don't want to steal yours if it's the same thing.

1310
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: Well, so I'm working on two things for ninety at

1311
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: five they'll be up, you know, the week four training camp.

1312
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: One is the five biggest position battles of camp and

1313
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: the other is the five biggest stories, So I'm trying

1314
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: not to overlap. I have Taekwon versus Born as like

1315
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: the biggest position battle for this team. Who is going

1316
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: to win that zero? So that's obviously massive, But I

1317
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: think in a bigger picture health health, they need to

1318
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: be healthy a wide receiver. We saw in the spring

1319
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,919
Speaker 1: how quickly it drops. It all evaporates once you lose

1320
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: one or two guys. And we haven't seen Juju Smith

1321
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: Schuster on the field yet. We don't know exactly kind

1322
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: of injury Taekwon's dealing with. DeVante Parker is a guy

1323
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: who is healthy right now, but as a history of

1324
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: getting banged up, they gotta stay healthy. They've got to

1325
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: stay healthy through camp and get into the season healthy

1326
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: and then maybe, you know, once you build a little

1327
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: bit of rhythm offensively, it's easier if you lose a

1328
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: player here or there. But this group's got to stay

1329
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: healthy and they didn't last year. Taekwan got hurt, and

1330
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: I think it was the second preseason game. Was it

1331
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: the first one he had that collarbone injury? They have

1332
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: to stay healthy.

1333
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was where I was going to with Juju.

1334
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 2: You know, dude keeps springing this up and I keep

1335
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 2: forgetting because I can in my head, I think of

1336
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 2: Juju as like your march for like eighty catches for

1337
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 2: nine hundred yards, right like the season he had last

1338
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 2: year for Kansas City, just because I feel like he's

1339
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 2: a known commodity. Like you know, I'm not saying that.

1340
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 2: I don't think that his his ceiling is very high,

1341
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 2: and I think his floor is very high, right, Like,

1342
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be an eighty catch, nine hundred

1343
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 2: yard guy if he's out there, but I keep forgetting

1344
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 2: that he wasn't out there, right, And that's that's a

1345
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 2: big deal. That's a big big.

1346
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: And that's more where I'm at with with Taekwon than

1347
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: anything else, is just can he be out because I

1348
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to say the worst thing that

1349
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: could happen, But what if he is really good? Yeah,

1350
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: because we've seen this happen with guys before Malcolm Mitchell.

1351
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: What if he is really good and then it gets

1352
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: weak two and then he gets hurt and then they

1353
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: built the whole offense right.

1354
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 2: Well, I also kind of feel like that, not that

1355
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 2: they built the whole offense around him, but he was

1356
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 2: decent in camp last year before the collarbone injury. I

1357
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 2: don't think he was like it wasn't like we were watching,

1358
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 2: you know, Tyreek Hill, but like he was a good

1359
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 2: player in camp or had some moments I should I

1360
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 2: guess I should say in camp, and then he gets

1361
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 2: the collar brodne injury and the whole thing gets dereealed. Look,

1362
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 2: I don't think that he would have been a good

1363
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 2: player regardless, But similar things happened with Nikkeel right where

1364
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 2: he gets injured early on and he was the ankle

1365
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 2: right that landed one injured reserve his rookie season, and

1366
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 2: he just never got he never caught up. It always Yeah,

1367
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 2: it always felt like he was taking on water from

1368
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 2: that point on, and you just hope that it's not

1369
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 2: the same for Taekwon. All right. Offensive line got some

1370
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 2: questions in the emails from David and some other people

1371
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 2: about tackles. My big thing with the offensive line, it's

1372
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 2: to me, it's all on Adrian Clement, Bill O'Brien. You

1373
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 2: know what you have. It's a group that in the past,

1374
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 2: and I'm in the past, they had Dante Scarnekia. I'm

1375
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 2: on record, I think he's the greatest offensive line coach

1376
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 2: of all.

1377
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,439
Speaker 1: Time, probably the greatest positional coach.

1378
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 2: So that I understand that Steven Neil and you know

1379
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 2: all these other guys. We always use Steven Neil, right,

1380
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 2: but even but all these other guys like that, Dante

1381
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 2: turned with you took water and turned it into wine.

1382
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 2: Was because Scar a scar and there is no other Scar.

1383
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 2: With that being said, they are going to have some

1384
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 2: issues at tackle this year. I don't think it's a

1385
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 2: straight line. I think it's gonna be an up and

1386
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 2: down road at tackle, and I don't think if there's

1387
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 2: any real solve, there's no internal solve that's just gonna

1388
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 2: make you not have to worry about tackle. And there's

1389
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 2: no external solve all either, because their tackles don't grow

1390
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 2: on trees and they don't get traded or moved very

1391
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 2: often if they can play. So you're gonna have to

1392
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 2: coach around it. You're gonna have to scheme around it.

1393
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to coach guys up. They're gonna have

1394
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: to get back to like developing offensive lineman, go figure right,

1395
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 2: like guys like you know, Calvin Anderson. I think is

1396
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: is still a a semi ball of clay. I know

1397
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 2: he's been in the league for a couple of years,

1398
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: but he's a really good athlete. He started some games

1399
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 2: we go only has twelve starts in three years. I

1400
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 2: think he's got a lot of potential. Maybe they can

1401
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 2: coach him up and make him serviceable at one of

1402
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 2: the tackle spots. Trent Brown like, that's a guy you

1403
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 2: gotta be on. You gotta be on his case. You

1404
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 2: gotta keep him at focused, You got to keep him

1405
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 2: at the right weight. You got to keep them locked

1406
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 2: in maybe one of these rookie guards pops, you know,

1407
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 2: maybe it's Antonio Mafi, maybe it's Uh, it's City Sow.

1408
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 2: Whether it's a tackle or it's guard, right, you got

1409
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 2: to develop some of these.

1410
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: Guys to tackle it. And this is to build up

1411
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: your point. This is where they're at. Tackle's been there, Evan,

1412
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: as long as me and you have been doing shows together.

1413
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: Tackles been their biggest leed right, And they haven't used

1414
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: a premium mass set on a tackle period, not the draft,

1415
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: on free agency, nothing. Yeah, they have to figure out

1416
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: the tackle position and to sort of build on what

1417
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: you were saying about coaching guys up, and I just

1418
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: think the overall coaching of it, because there's some creativity

1419
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: that can be involved here too. Nothing should be off

1420
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: the table. That means Mike go and win it right.

1421
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: That's why I brought up the rookies right, so that

1422
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: means Michael winning it right. Tackle if it's Mafi on

1423
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: the end side, or giving City sour reps, or being

1424
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: open to Trent playing Trent Brown on the left or

1425
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: right side, being open to playing Riley Reef on the

1426
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: left or right side, I think everybody but McDermott pretty

1427
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: much his side versatile. That is the one advantage this

1428
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: group has is Trent Brown's a true swing tackle. Riley

1429
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: Reef is close. Calvin Anderson's played right tackle.

1430
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 2: I don't know that you system, but like I think ideally,

1431
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 2: and this is putting a lot of eggs in Calvin

1432
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 2: Anderson's basket. I'll put that out there. I think Calvin

1433
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 2: Anderson's a better left tackle and.

1434
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 1: I think he is too. But they need to try everything. Basimply,

1435
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: they need to try everything.

1436
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 2: If I was them, I would try Calvin Anderson at

1437
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 2: left tackle with Trent at right.

1438
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: That might that's probably their best group. But well, their

1439
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: best group is Mike go and win it right tackle. Yeah,

1440
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: but they won't do it, I know, but they should

1441
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: consider it.

1442
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 2: They should. I think that that especially if.

1443
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: They know they're not paying him next year.

1444
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 2: That has to come. That comes two weeks in right, Like,

1445
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 2: if they.

1446
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: I hate that, you're not wrong. You're not wrong.

1447
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 2: If they get to like Green Bay, if we're on

1448
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 2: the plane to freaking Lambeau for yeah whatever, and uh

1449
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 2: and it's disaster.

1450
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: Oh two weeks in a camp into camp. I thought, regular, No.

1451
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 2: I think that you have to do that before, way

1452
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: before the regularly.

1453
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: It has to be yeah, okay. That's why I was like,

1454
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:29,439
Speaker 1: I hate that because he can't start.

1455
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the times what happens is,

1456
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 2: I think it's ten days of camp before we get

1457
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 2: into joint practices, and they kind of I think they

1458
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 2: use those early stages of camp to set what they

1459
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 2: think that they have right, and then we get to

1460
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 2: the joint practices and that's when they see if it

1461
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 2: can hold that.

1462
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: That's when the evaluation really ran.

1463
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they I could see them looking at the

1464
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 2: that ten days sample and saying, you know what we got, Like,

1465
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna go to Green Bay and we're gonna kick

1466
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 2: a mic out to right tackle and we're gonna put

1467
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 2: in Tony Omaffi in at right guard, and we're going

1468
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 2: to see how that looks against the Packers. And I

1469
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 2: think that that's a possibility. I'm with you on one,

1470
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. I think that him playing right tackle

1471
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 2: needs to be on the table for this team. I

1472
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 2: would ideally like to keep him at guard. I think

1473
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 2: they would too, but it has to be on the

1474
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 2: table that he could potentially be a right tackle for

1475
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 2: this year. I think he's the best right tackle they

1476
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 2: have on the roster besides maybe Trent, But Trent's probably

1477
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 2: the best left tackle they have on the roster. So

1478
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 2: he's just the best tackle they have. So wherever Trent

1479
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 2: isn't you know, if Trent is going to play the

1480
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 2: left side, then I think that on when who's your

1481
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 2: best right tackle on the roster and you got to

1482
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 2: give it a shot.

1483
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 1: I just think everything you know, who would have thought

1484
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: that their best five in twenty one would involve Ted Carres?

1485
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: Who would have thought going into the season, especially after

1486
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: the rookie or Micro and went Who add that the

1487
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 1: best offensive line right involved putting Micro and Winner on

1488
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: the bench And that's it took him a while to

1489
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: get there, but that's what ended up being. And I'd

1490
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: rather them figure that out, like you said, in Green

1491
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: Bay or in Tennessee than you know, approaching Halloween. So

1492
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: just I think it all needs to be on the

1493
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:07,719
Speaker 1: table and whatever works, it works, and you just cross

1494
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: your fingers and you hope it sticks.

1495
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that because it's a Again,

1496
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 2: it's an old scarrism of seeing it through the same

1497
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 2: set of eyes and sometimes the same your best five

1498
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 2: isn't your isn't on paper your best five? Right, Sometimes

1499
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 2: it's Ted Carris is your Actually it actually makes up

1500
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 2: your best five, just because the chemistry and the timing

1501
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 2: and the rhythm of the group is better, uh with

1502
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 2: Ted Carris than Mike on Wenhu. Even though on paper,

1503
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 2: if we're doing Madden ratings, like Mike Godwin who has

1504
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 2: a higher matting rating than Ted Carris, but once you

1505
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 2: get out there on the field, it just looks better

1506
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 2: with Ted Carris out there. So I'm with you, all

1507
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 2: all hands on deck, all options on the table. I

1508
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 2: liked what I saw out of Calvin Anderson in the spring,

1509
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 2: so I'm hoping that maybe he can carry that over

1510
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 2: at left tackle with the pads come on, and maybe

1511
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 2: he is better bet at left tackle for you. He's

1512
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 2: got some athleticism, some range, he can pass protect. He

1513
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 2: fits the mold of their typical like more sleek, athletic

1514
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 2: like Nate Solder style left tackle.

1515
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 7: Right.

1516
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 2: I think that the power guys, they tend to be

1517
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 2: better with them on the right side and then on

1518
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 2: the left side, just the way that their scheme in

1519
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 2: the run game especially works. So I would like to

1520
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 2: see Calvin Anderson there a left tackle all right, moving

1521
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 2: over defensive side of the football, turning the page defensive line.

1522
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 2: One big thing I think maybe the most forgotten player

1523
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 2: on this team going into this season is Christian Barmore. Yeap,

1524
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 2: what like, did we just forget that Christian Barmore I

1525
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 2: And I'm saying me, no, he was I forgot. I

1526
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 2: mean he was hurt a lot of the year last year,

1527
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 2: he at so he's kind of out of sight, out

1528
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 2: of mind. I have him too.

1529
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 1: I think the year three jump with him. How many

1530
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 1: you know, we've kind of we spent a lot of

1531
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: time leading up last year talking about if Christian Barmore

1532
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,600
Speaker 1: takes the leap, the defense goes from good to great. Right,

1533
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:57,759
Speaker 1: It's another element to the defense. You get that interior

1534
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: pass rush in. I know people wen't really happy with

1535
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: how he was playing early in the year, but if

1536
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: if if you look beyond the box score and you

1537
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 1: actually watched the tape, like he was an issue still

1538
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 1: an impact, right, he was making it. He was an

1539
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:11,679
Speaker 1: issue for offense. I should say he was making an impact.

1540
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: He wasn't getting sacks, but there were times where he

1541
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: was just chasing the quarterback into sacks for Matthew Judah

1542
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: and things like that, and then he got hurt and

1543
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 1: I think he missed. He missed like two months. He

1544
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: missed a while long time, and I don't think he

1545
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 1: was fully healthy when he got back. Just that's not

1546
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: like inside information. Just watching him, he didn't look as

1547
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,759
Speaker 1: explosive as he normally looks. Here we go, he's fully healthy.

1548
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: Year three, can he make that jump? I will say, though,

1549
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: if he doesn't make it this year, I think then

1550
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: he just is who he is, which is still a

1551
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: good player. But yeah, yeah, you look at it, and

1552
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: this is for all the for everything we've talked about

1553
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: with Mac Jones and the fifty year option, it's not

1554
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: all that different. Well, for Barbour there is no fifth

1555
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: year option. This is it three and four, right, He's

1556
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 1: up for the extension this time next year, So.

1557
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 2: It's it's not that all that different. It just we

1558
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 2: got there very differently, Like Mac had the coaching is

1559
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff last year and Barmore

1560
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 2: had injuries. But there are two players that we expected

1561
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 2: to make a year two leap that has now unfortunately

1562
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 2: become a year three leap, right, And I still think

1563
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 2: that potential is there for Christian Barmore, And I still

1564
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 2: think that he has the ability to do it. And

1565
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,560
Speaker 2: if he becomes a true interior game wrecker for you,

1566
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 2: And now you have Barmore coming up the middle, and

1567
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 2: you have Judon and Uce and Keon White potentially mixing

1568
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 2: in now too on the edges and getting after quarterbacks,

1569
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 2: that's that's really really deep. It's a good group. I mean,

1570
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 2: it's a good defensive line. I think he's one of

1571
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 2: those guys that and I did my top five Patriot list,

1572
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 2: I was like, well, in reality, like if I'm just

1573
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 2: going off of pure talent, then Christian Barmore probably is

1574
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 2: pretty close to this top five, Like, yeah, just who

1575
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 2: is the best physical football player on this team? Christian

1576
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 2: Barmore is in that conversation. I think, maybe not the

1577
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:57,640
Speaker 2: top of the conversation. I still think Judon is in

1578
01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 2: his kind of a class of his own, to be honest,

1579
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 2: Kyle Duggar belongs in that that ballpark or that tier.

1580
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 2: But I think Christian Barmore is in that mix as well.

1581
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 2: So we're in agreement on defensive line that it's Christian Barmore.

1582
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,600
Speaker 2: I think that he doesn't get talked about enough with

1583
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 2: this team taking that next step because they do have

1584
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 2: some of the younger defenders, you know, gonzales A Mapu. Yeah,

1585
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 2: and he kind of gets lost a little bit. Let's

1586
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 2: I don't I think it's important at edge here outside linebacker.

1587
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 2: Excuse me, edge. I'm gonna say edge, just to grind

1588
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 2: your gears. Edge. It's a big thing with josh u j.

1589
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,640
Speaker 2: I think it's a big thing that we have to

1590
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 2: we touch on. His season last year was interesting. There

1591
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 2: is some regressing to the mean potential there and there's

1592
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 2: also the potential that he's just really good. Right, So

1593
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 2: either way, what can josh u Ja do to earn

1594
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 2: a second contract in Bill Belichick's eyes? Because to me,

1595
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 2: racking up up eight sacks in the second half of

1596
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 2: the year, all of his sacks last year came eleven

1597
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 2: or eleven Excuse me, I mean last eight weeks of

1598
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 2: the year, last eight weeks. All of his sacks last

1599
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 2: year came in the second half of the season.

1600
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 1: I mean it's right there. It's consistency, and I think

1601
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: you talk about the second contract, it's a little bit

1602
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: of a fallacy I or a catch twenty two. I

1603
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 1: guess his name is I don't think that that's something

1604
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: that's That's one of two things is gonna happen. Either

1605
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: he proves the end of last year was I don't

1606
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: want to say a fluke because he played well, but

1607
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 1: like he proves that it wasn't sustainable. He goes back

1608
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 1: to the player he was the first two and a

1609
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 1: half years of his career, and at that point, I mean,

1610
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 1: you can't extend him, but it's kind of a you know,

1611
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: replacement level player. Or he proves that the second half

1612
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:46,600
Speaker 1: of last year is the player he really is, in

1613
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 1: which case he's going to beat that's more than he was,

1614
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: averaging more to sack per game. He probably becomes one

1615
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: of the top five free agents in the market and

1616
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: the Patriots aren't gonna pay him.

1617
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 2: How sad is it that him actually regressing back to

1618
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 2: the mean is the way that he gets retained by

1619
01:14:59,479 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 2: the page.

1620
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 1: I think he has retained either way sad well, I

1621
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: guess he gets retained if it's somewhere in the middle.

1622
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 1: But think about it, if you're the if you're josh Ucha,

1623
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: why would you sign an extension right now? You're probably

1624
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 1: gonna bet on what you did in the second half

1625
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: last year. And if you're the Patriots, why would you

1626
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 1: sign extension right now because the guy hasn't been consistent.

1627
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 1: You have an eight game sample size over three years

1628
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: to work with. So he's gonna go. He's gonna go

1629
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 1: into this season and play. And it's just I either

1630
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 1: he was the guy, he's one of two players. It's

1631
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 1: this is essentially kind of what we're doing with Mac Jones,

1632
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: but on a different scale. Two sacks through his first

1633
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 1: I think it's like twenty five games and then eleven

1634
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 1: in his last eight. Which guy is he? Either guy?

1635
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 1: I don't think the Patriots pay They want consistent middle

1636
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: like I don't want to say middle of the road

1637
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 1: pass rushers, but they want consistent guys. They want pass

1638
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: rushers who bring consistency. And if there's one thing, I

1639
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: think josh Uja is a pretty good player, but he's

1640
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 1: not consistent. You can't sit here and say he's consistent

1641
01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 1: and that's what the Patriots want from that position.

1642
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:01,560
Speaker 2: And you look at you know, I'm just pulling this

1643
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 2: up real quick. You look at sort of comps of

1644
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 2: what josh U j could get paid on the open market,

1645
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 2: and the contract that I look at as a decent

1646
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 2: comp and I think the one thing that you have

1647
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 2: to throw out there is that. And I said this

1648
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 2: on Twitter and people were like, oh, yeah, like you know,

1649
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 2: my my wife is you know my wasn't my If

1650
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 2: my uncle had what it would be my he'd be

1651
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:26,879
Speaker 2: my aunt or something.

1652
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 1: Like that or whatever my uncle had wheels, he'd be away.

1653
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. Whatever that's saying is. But in

1654
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 2: a different defensive system, I truly believe Josh j would

1655
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 2: play more.

1656
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, there's some of that because let me

1657
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 1: just real quick, because I feel like I kind of

1658
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: just dumped on him a little bit. He's not it's

1659
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 1: a little Chandler Jones ish with him, whereas I remember

1660
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 1: they remember they let Chandler Jones walk and he almost

1661
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 1: set the NFL record for saxon a season.

1662
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 2: Chandler Jones is the one guy that maybe it wouldn't

1663
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 2: have worked out as well here, But that's the one

1664
01:16:58,160 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 2: guy that I would have gone back and paid, like

1665
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 2: right if you had to.

1666
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: He's not whatever it was it was like twenty one

1667
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 1: sacks he had that year. He's not getting twenty one

1668
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 1: sacks here because that's not how they play defense, right.

1669
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,600
Speaker 1: I think Josh I don't think josh is gonna go

1670
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 1: be a twenty sack player somewhere, but I think there

1671
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: is some of that where he's just he's at his

1672
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:17,600
Speaker 1: best when he can pin his ears back and go,

1673
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: and that's really not something they've ever done. They've started

1674
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 1: doing it just for Matthew, but because of Matthew Judon.

1675
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: They do it for Judon, because Judon's that good. And

1676
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: so unless Uch's like the because Judon's got I think

1677
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 1: two more years.

1678
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 2: He signed through twenty five and he's getting up there,

1679
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 2: he's like thirty one.

1680
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: Unless Uch is the replacement for Judon, they just that's

1681
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,719
Speaker 1: not how they that's not how they the same thing.

1682
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 2: Like played forty percent of the snaps last year roughly, right,

1683
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 2: I think it was like thirty eight or thirty nine percent.

1684
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,759
Speaker 2: I think in another defense, he's like a sixty percent

1685
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 2: snap guy because he plays a little bit more on

1686
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 2: first and second down, right right, because he's not gonna

1687
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 2: play first and second down here, just because of all

1688
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 2: the stylistic reasons that you laid out. So back to

1689
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 2: the cop the comp that I would save for josh

1690
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 2: Uja that I could think of as a sound reddick

1691
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 2: with the Eagles, who I think is a similar smaller

1692
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 2: edge guy, but has that explosive gear that get off

1693
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 2: that ability to rush the quarterback. Reddick has been better

1694
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 2: against the run, but he's also had more opportunities to

1695
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 2: be better against the run. So he got a three year,

1696
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 2: forty five million dollar deal with the Eagles last year,

1697
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 2: so fifteen million per on a total value basis. It

1698
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 2: was a fourteen point two million dollars signing bonus thirty

1699
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 2: million dollars in guaranteed money, So basically a two year,

1700
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 2: thirty million dollar deal with the play the team option

1701
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,560
Speaker 2: for the third season. That's basically what he got. So

1702
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 2: I think if I'm josh josh U J's agent, that's

1703
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:49,600
Speaker 2: that's sort of a starting point, or that's sort of

1704
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 2: what my goal is. I guess say would be something

1705
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 2: along the same lines. In terms of APY. I don't

1706
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 2: know how they structure and all that stuff. In terms

1707
01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 2: of APY, I don't think the are coming close to

1708
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 2: paying fifteen million a year for Joshu Jay, which means

1709
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 2: that he's probably out of here anyways. But I I

1710
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 2: really I think he's a good pass rusher. I think

1711
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 2: he's in his bag. He's got like seventeen dinner.

1712
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 1: He's a good pass rusher, but it's just not they

1713
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 1: have one spot for that here and the guy doing

1714
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:21,640
Speaker 1: it does a pretty good job of doing it, and

1715
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 1: he's still under contract for a while. That's fair in

1716
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 1: jude On.

1717
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 2: I'd still pay him, especially with the cap space that

1718
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 2: you have next year, I would pay him. I understand

1719
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 2: they have their reasons and they and they they make sense.

1720
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 2: Like if you are going to live in a world

1721
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 2: and I'm not necessarily saying it's right or wrong, but

1722
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:37,839
Speaker 2: if you're going to live in a world where Jilani

1723
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 2: Devai is still getting first down snaps over the guy

1724
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 2: you're paying fifteen million dollars a year or two, you

1725
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 2: just can't do it right. You can't have that happen.

1726
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 2: And that's that's why I said, you know, brought it

1727
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:49,560
Speaker 2: up as my one big thing at Edge because I

1728
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 2: don't know what the what the world is that Joshu

1729
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 2: j gets a second contract with the Patriots. And it's

1730
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 2: one of those things where it's a little bit tricky

1731
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 2: because you mentioned Chandler Jones not a bad comparison, especially

1732
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 2: because they play the same position. He is deserving if

1733
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 2: he has another good year, I should go, yeah, he's

1734
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 2: deserving of it. Yeah, but it just doesn't necessarily make

1735
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 2: sense with the way that they play defense, right, it's

1736
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 2: a tricky one. I would also just mention quickly at

1737
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 2: edge the other big thing behind Well, look, so.

1738
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: They let Chandler Jones walk and then they they you know,

1739
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: they had already drafted, but they moved Trey Flowers into

1740
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:25,600
Speaker 1: a bigger role who was a much better fit for

1741
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 1: what they want from that position. So you could see,

1742
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 1: you know, the guy on.

1743
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 2: Ke On White.

1744
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually, and that was my com for him, was

1745
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 1: Trey Flowers. Like, that's that's exactly I was gonna say,

1746
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 1: Ronnie Perkins. But I don't think he's gonna be here,

1747
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: but no, ke On White somebody. Yeah, so you let

1748
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 1: u cha walk, you don't pay him. Ke On White's

1749
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: probably gonna play that role more the way they want

1750
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 1: to play it. You already him in the building. You

1751
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: go take that fifteen million dollars, I'd say, go spend

1752
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 1: it on a receiver who knows how they'll spend it.

1753
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 2: On seventeen different plays exactly. Yeah, but Keon White's the guy.

1754
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 2: That was my other sort of spin off of that

1755
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 2: is behind Judah and Ucha. There's not a whole lot

1756
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 2: of proven Jennings. Anthony Jennings. I'm not forgetting about him

1757
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 2: this time. I just did. I I know. But do

1758
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 2: you think he's proven talent? Like, do you think he's

1759
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 2: a proven commodity?

1760
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 1: I think he's played. He's a backup significant NFL snaps okay,

1761
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 1: and he's held his own in playing significant NFL like

1762
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: proven is what I guess. My point is is like

1763
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 1: it is a third edge guy. Yeah, I feel very

1764
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: comfortable with him there.

1765
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna use the old Dave Damna check like Jenga analogy.

1766
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 2: If you pull Matthew Judon out of the Jenga tower,

1767
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 2: who who has a big enough piece to make sure

1768
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 2: the whole thing doesn't come out?

1769
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 7: Well?

1770
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 1: You know what I would say, on a difference, it's

1771
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 1: not Anthony Jennings. But on a different scale, if you

1772
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 1: pull Anthony Jennings out, now, who's after him? I think

1773
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 1: he's the buffer. He's the buffer you.

1774
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,600
Speaker 2: Like Anthroonty Jenning? I do, I think Alaya.

1775
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 1: I think he's a good rotational third edge guy. So

1776
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 1: you're and that's the role he's gonna be.

1777
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,560
Speaker 2: So then if that's the case, then they don't have

1778
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:01,799
Speaker 2: depth to shoes at that position.

1779
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 1: Well behind him they have nobody, and that's a position

1780
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 1: that gets and.

1781
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:08,560
Speaker 2: Then it probably becomes like a morgas Borg of like

1782
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 2: Jolanie Devai and Keon White and like a bunch, you know,

1783
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 2: a couple of different games.

1784
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,679
Speaker 1: It would be really nice to see if Ronnie Perkins

1785
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 1: can even turn into a guy that like they can

1786
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 1: elevate from the practice squad.

1787
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 2: That's it. But that's that's what we're talking about, because

1788
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 2: I like Ronnie Perkins coming out. I thought he had

1789
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:27,600
Speaker 2: potential all right, off ball linebackers, inside linebackers. But you

1790
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:31,679
Speaker 2: know where I'm going, Yeah, I am. It's too many

1791
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 2: of these have been the same.

1792
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 1: This is a little weird.

1793
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 2: It's the prodigal son of the Patriots defense. It's my

1794
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,759
Speaker 2: it's my prodigal son, I should say it's Marty Mapo.

1795
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 2: Is this team that predictable or are we have we

1796
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 2: just been spending way too much time together. I think

1797
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,720
Speaker 2: it's the fact that we've basically done this show in

1798
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:49,719
Speaker 2: like a different way for like six.

1799
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 1: Plus all the times we've done it via text message.

1800
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, like this is this is this is when you

1801
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,839
Speaker 2: know that camp means to get here. Uh, it's Marty Mapoo.

1802
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 2: It's not only him as a player, it's how they

1803
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 2: use him. Yeah, it's if they're willing to use him

1804
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 2: the way that we want him to use him, which

1805
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 2: is at linebacker, not at safety, and not at like

1806
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger safety like no. I want him playing linebacker,

1807
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 2: inside linebacker and next to Juwan Bentley, who I think

1808
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 2: is gonna be rock solid for you again this year

1809
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 2: with Bentley and Mapu, to me, has a lot of potential.

1810
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 2: I think that he's got He's might be the missing

1811
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 2: ingredient to solving some of these mobile quarterbacks. He might

1812
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 2: be he might be a Josh Allen killer. And if

1813
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 2: that's if that's what he ends up being, then then

1814
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 2: watch out with this defense. I think this defense that

1815
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 2: to me is the biggest X factor. I think a

1816
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:45,200
Speaker 2: lot of people make Christian Gonzalez the biggest X factor.

1817
01:23:45,240 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 2: I kind of know or feel like I know what

1818
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 2: they're gonna get at a Gonzalez this year. I'm not

1819
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 2: saying it's gonna be perfect. I think there's gonna be

1820
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 2: ups and downs to it, certainly, But I think that

1821
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 2: with Gonzalez, you know that you're probably gonna have a

1822
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 2: starting outside corner on a rookies like kind of like

1823
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 2: Devin mccordy his rookie year right, Like, it might not

1824
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 2: be perfect, but he's gonna be able to hold down

1825
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 2: the position and play it at a pretty good level.

1826
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 2: Marty Mapo is the X factor. He's the swing guy.

1827
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 2: If he is is a force like we think he

1828
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 2: might be able to be. I think that their defense

1829
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 2: just got a whole lot better in terms of the

1830
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 2: upside of the defense, especially against mobile quarterbacks. And they

1831
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 2: once again, not all of them are like super mobile,

1832
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 2: but Jalen Hurts is on the schedule, Josh Allen's on

1833
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:35,799
Speaker 2: the schedule, Mahomes is on the schedule, Herbert's on the schedule,

1834
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 2: and then in Miami they still run a lot of

1835
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 2: RPO option looks with Tuo, even though he's not truly

1836
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 2: mobile mobile, they still run a lot of that stuff.

1837
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 2: So solving these like college spread offenses and these athletic

1838
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:52,560
Speaker 2: quarterbacks playing the position, it's Marty Mapoo. He's might be

1839
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 2: one of the biggest things out of all the big things.

1840
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 2: I kind of narrowed in on it a little bit,

1841
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,799
Speaker 2: just what does he look like? In fully padded practice.

1842
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 2: I feel like from the spring we got a good

1843
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 2: idea about his athleticism as instincts was football IQ all that,

1844
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 2: and they all check the boxes like they there's a

1845
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 2: reason we were raving about him. But he's still six

1846
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 2: three two seventeen and that's not big for Patriots linebacker.

1847
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 2: When he's got to take on a guard in the

1848
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,600
Speaker 2: a gap, Yeah, what is that gonna look like? That

1849
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 2: is the biggest Just hope, all right, let all right,

1850
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 2: let me that. I hope I know what you mean.

1851
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 1: That old no no, no, no no, because I miss

1852
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 1: that old phrase came back like they shouldn't ask him

1853
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 1: to do that. That's why Bentley's here.

1854
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:28,600
Speaker 2: Let me phrase that.

1855
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 1: What happens when he has to tackle a two hundred

1856
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: and twenty pound running back in space? Yeah sure, or

1857
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 1: a two hundred and forty pound quarterback in space maybe

1858
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 1: in you know, I don't think Malik Willis is that big,

1859
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 1: but you know Malik Willis or or Will Levis when

1860
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: they get to that test game, or even Ryan Tannehill,

1861
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 1: like these are bigger guys. Yeah, what happens when he's

1862
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 1: one on one with that quarterback? Can he chase him? Down.

1863
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:50,720
Speaker 1: Can he bring him down when it's tight ends over

1864
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 1: the middle of things like that, Like, I just need

1865
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: to see him in contact because that's the last box

1866
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 1: he hasn't checked. He shouldn't be shooting the a gap.

1867
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 1: I regret I said that. That's why Bentley's here. He's

1868
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:01,599
Speaker 1: even said he's playing next to Bentley. Bentley's gonna run

1869
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 1: downhill and Martine mop who's gonna handle your east to west?

1870
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:04,759
Speaker 2: Correct?

1871
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 1: But I want to see him basically just physically take

1872
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 1: on bigger players.

1873
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 2: You got the you got the hammer, and you got

1874
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:11,879
Speaker 2: the chaser, right Like, that's that's.

1875
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:13,680
Speaker 1: All like a butterfly's thing, like a big right there

1876
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 1: you go.

1877
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 2: That's what you need with Marty Mapu.

1878
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 1: But the butterflies gotta have a little bit of bike.

1879
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 2: All right. Let's move on to court. Let's move on

1880
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 2: to safeties, because I think linebacker and safety in this

1881
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 2: defense is is pretty There's some overlap.

1882
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 1: There where it did a tight end before wide receivers.

1883
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 1: So just throw the whole order out.

1884
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 2: Is there an order? Yeah? Yeah, but what do you mean?

1885
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1886
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 1: The baden order quarterback, running back, receiver, tight end, line

1887
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 1: d line, linebacker, corner, safety, specialists.

1888
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 2: Your order is based off of Madden.

1889
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: Everybody's orders based off of that.

1890
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 2: Well, they're showing the John Madden football life on the TV.

1891
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 1: It's also the order that that the fantasy football stuff

1892
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 1: is in, and it's it's I don't know where it's started.

1893
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 1: Going to safeties. That has always quarterback, running back, Okay,

1894
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 1: wide receiver, tight end, tackle, guard, center, defensive inside linebacker,

1895
01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 1: outside linebacker, corner, free safety, strong safety, kicker on her

1896
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 1: third down running back.

1897
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 2: We're going to safeties because there's overlap with the linebackers.

1898
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying, we already threw out the order, so

1899
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:07,600
Speaker 1: just go for it.

1900
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 2: My one big thing at safety, you know what, I'm

1901
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 2: gonna allow you to go to first because I keep

1902
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:13,799
Speaker 2: stealing your one big thing. So I'm gonna be generous

1903
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna allow you to go first.

1904
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:16,599
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kind of pick up where I left off

1905
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 1: in the spring, which is like, how are the deep

1906
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:21,640
Speaker 1: safety reps getting split up? It's clear that it's going

1907
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 1: to be by committee. We saw that in the spring,

1908
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:26,719
Speaker 1: and we saw certain guys more than others. Jabrill Peppers

1909
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: played a pretty big role. I thought you saw Kyle

1910
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 1: Duggar back there a bunch Adrian Phillips a little bit,

1911
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 1: but you know, this is more of a joint practice thing.

1912
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of this we'll see early on,

1913
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,639
Speaker 1: but you know, Green Bay, Tennessee two minute trail, Ones

1914
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 1: on ones, Who's back? Who's deep?

1915
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 3: Is it?

1916
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 2: Is it one? Is it two? Is it rotate?

1917
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 1: Is it rotation? It's Jonathan Jones back. They're just all

1918
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 1: of it. Ed's kind of cut into that. I got

1919
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 1: asked on my mail bag this week on ninety eight

1920
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 1: five the Sports of dot Com, who is my surprise

1921
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 1: like potential breakout player for the Patriots is here? On defense?

1922
01:27:58,479 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: I have Dabrill Peppers.

1923
01:27:59,680 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1924
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 1: I think last year he was coming off Torney cl

1925
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:03,719
Speaker 1: he was in a new system, and he was pretty

1926
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:05,679
Speaker 1: good last year and well it remember took a while.

1927
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 1: It was the second half he started to come on.

1928
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 1: Now he's healthy, he's got a full year in the system.

1929
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 1: He hit his stride late in the year. He's going

1930
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 1: to beat the whole It seems like the whole thing

1931
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 1: for the safeties this year, just overall's versatility. The way

1932
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 1: they're going to make the most out of the safety

1933
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:23,320
Speaker 1: position is putting guys in different spots and mixing and matching,

1934
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 1: and no player is better suited for that than Jabrill Peppers. Yeah,

1935
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 1: so I don't know that he's gonna be like they're

1936
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 1: starting deep safety. I don't even know that he's going

1937
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:34,759
Speaker 1: to be their most used safety.

1938
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:39,560
Speaker 2: He's such one of those guys that it's kind of

1939
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 2: and I know that this is different because it's started

1940
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 2: here and ended here, but like it's like Patrick Chung,

1941
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,640
Speaker 2: where like Bill's just the right coach to figure out

1942
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 2: how to use them, and early on in his career

1943
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,759
Speaker 2: goes to Cleveland, he's like this, he's like the Heisman

1944
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 2: runner up.

1945
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 1: Or in college and they didn't use him right at all, Right.

1946
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:59,599
Speaker 2: And it just it takes a coach like Bill who

1947
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 2: who is so good at taking guys that are are

1948
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 2: a tweeners and these like outside the box players and

1949
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 2: putting them into it.

1950
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny. Joe Judge kind of figured or I

1951
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 1: forget who the DC was under Judge, but I think

1952
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 1: it was Patrick Graham, who is a Patriots guy. Yeah,

1953
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 1: he's in Vegas now, right, he's sorting maritainus. They kind

1954
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 1: of figured he kind of figured out in New York

1955
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 1: and then he tours. Acl right, he had a really

1956
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:22,560
Speaker 1: good year in twenty one or no, he had a

1957
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:24,639
Speaker 1: really good year in twenty and then towards a cl

1958
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 1: in twenty one and then came here. So he's still young.

1959
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 1: People didn't realize how young he's still young. I am

1960
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 1: really excited for what Chah Bill Peppers is gonna do

1961
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 1: this year. I think he could be like I again,

1962
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 1: I don't know that he's gonna be their most of

1963
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:39,639
Speaker 1: use safety. I think Duggart's gonna play more. I think Pepper's.

1964
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 1: I think Phillips is gonna play more. But like third down,

1965
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 1: gotta have it downs, I think they're gonna put Jabrill

1966
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 1: Peppers on the field in a spot to make a play,

1967
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:48,479
Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna make some plays, all right.

1968
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 2: I like that.

1969
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 1: I like that.

1970
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 2: I think, you know, since it's a big thing, I'm

1971
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:56,120
Speaker 2: picking more big picture as well. I still think the

1972
01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 2: we talked about Jenga, Yeah, I still think how they

1973
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:03,680
Speaker 2: replace the leadership lost by Devin mccorty is it is

1974
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 2: maybe the biggest change.

1975
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 1: I guess I didn't think of that because it's it's weird,

1976
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 1: because that's like mccordy, we're doing this by position. McCarty's

1977
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 1: a safety, but I think that honestly comes from linebacker

1978
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:12,679
Speaker 1: in corner.

1979
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 2: It just feels like they absolutely they need to figure

1980
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,720
Speaker 2: out a communication process early on in camp, and they

1981
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:23,639
Speaker 2: need to stick with it, and guys need to take

1982
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 2: on that responsible That's a big part of.

1983
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 1: The reason I want John Jones as safety.

1984
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 2: They can't just force that on somebody. Yeah, like if

1985
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:31,880
Speaker 2: it's not if it's if you're not built for it,

1986
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:34,640
Speaker 2: and you're not, it's not a responsibility you want to

1987
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,680
Speaker 2: take on. You can't just be thrown into it. Well, well,

1988
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 2: look Bentley is probably going to do something quarterback to

1989
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 2: front seven. That's not a problem.

1990
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 1: I still think John Jones is the guy now. If

1991
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 1: he's playing boundary corner, that's really hard for me to do.

1992
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he could probably do it a little bit more

1993
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 2: from Nickel, But I think the biggest thing is is

1994
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 2: like when you're back there, you just see it right,

1995
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 2: Like you see the whole formation and you can kind

1996
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:56,839
Speaker 2: of scan it and and see it's like a quarterback

1997
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:58,519
Speaker 2: right now, you can sit back there and kind of

1998
01:30:58,520 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 2: figure out where everything is coming.

1999
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 1: Maybe that's Phillips. I just he's a smart guy.

2000
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 2: Well, We're listening to Belichick talk at Devin mccorty's retirements

2001
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 2: press conference, and who's talking about that AFC Championship game

2002
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:13,560
Speaker 2: against Kansas City and all of the different checks and

2003
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 2: all the different calls that Devin made in that game

2004
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 2: to make sure that they had Tyreek Hill cover lock.

2005
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.

2006
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 2: That's gonna happen again this year. Obviously, it's gonna happen

2007
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 2: literally with the same player twice this year with Tyreek Hill.

2008
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 2: But in general, it's gonna happen, and they're gonna have

2009
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 2: to be able to figure it out. I think the

2010
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:36,600
Speaker 2: one thing, and I always give Bill credit for this,

2011
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 2: the one thing that makes their defense so great is

2012
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 2: they don't beat themselves defensively. They are structurally sound. They

2013
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 2: are terrifically structurally sound. I know some places that track

2014
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 2: it is a little bit subjective of how they track it,

2015
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 2: but like in terms of like busted coverage rate, the

2016
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 2: Patriots are always, you know, the top of the league,

2017
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 2: and how good they are at not doing that right.

2018
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 2: Like they don't just let guys run through. They don't

2019
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 2: just lose guys like twenty yards behind the defense like

2020
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 2: that thing. That type of thing just doesn't happen here.

2021
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:10,519
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they don't get beat, but they get

2022
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:13,680
Speaker 2: beat because it's just man on man. They get beat, right, right,

2023
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 2: But they don't beat themselves. They're not you know, they

2024
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:19,599
Speaker 2: don't play cover three and they they don't have a hook,

2025
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 2: right and you're looking around and you're like, who's the hook? Right, Like,

2026
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 2: they don't. That stuff doesn't happen with the Pats. And

2027
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 2: a lot of that was because they basically had a

2028
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:30,720
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator on the field in the back end. It's safe, right,

2029
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 2: a lot of that and it's gonna be a big

2030
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 2: deal for them. It's gonna be a big deal. All right,

2031
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:38,719
Speaker 2: let's move over to corners. One big thing at corner.

2032
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:42,640
Speaker 2: I thought about going Christian Gonzales here. It's it's it's

2033
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:45,559
Speaker 2: it's low hanging fruit. I'll let you take that one.

2034
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 1: I mean live reps, Like, how does he look in

2035
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:47,679
Speaker 1: live reps?

2036
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't want to say, yeah, pads on physicality, right, Like,

2037
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 2: how does he take that on as a as a

2038
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 2: more slender guy. The one thing that I'm gonna I

2039
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 2: think that the position I'm trying to think. I want

2040
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 2: to phrase this exactly. I think the Nickel position needs

2041
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 2: to be upgraded from Miles Bryant, and I hate picking

2042
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 2: directly on Myles bryan All.

2043
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 1: In theory, they have two better options than Jonathan Jones

2044
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 1: and Marcus Jones didn't have last year. Now, some of

2045
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:16,680
Speaker 1: that goes to Jack Jones and Jalen Mills, but one

2046
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:18,880
Speaker 1: of those two guys should be able, assuming everybody's healthy,

2047
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 1: one of those two guys should be able to play

2048
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 1: in there. This goes back to something Evan I talked

2049
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 1: about a lot last week. I'd still like to see

2050
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:26,679
Speaker 1: them out a veteran boundary corner, like a true third

2051
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 1: veteran boundary corner, even if it's just Terrence Mitchell coming back,

2052
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:32,600
Speaker 1: just so you don't end up in a spot this

2053
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 1: year where you're having to play both Jonathan Jones and

2054
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:37,120
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones on the boundary regularly.

2055
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:41,280
Speaker 2: Correct, But I hear you. I guess uh, Christian Gonzas

2056
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 2: is on one side, Jonathan Jones on the other side

2057
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 2: for now, Right, we're assuming that Jack Jones is not available, right,

2058
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 2: isn't Jalen Mills that.

2059
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 1: Guy unless they're just going to play him at safety?

2060
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:55,640
Speaker 1: They It seems pretty clear that Jalen Mills is just

2061
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:58,760
Speaker 1: a safety now. So yeah, to be fair, moving Jalen

2062
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 1: Mills back to corner could be the thing, but it's

2063
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,400
Speaker 1: I think just like I think they're just done with that.

2064
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 2: I think Jalen Mills for them this year. I think

2065
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 2: they were done with it before Jack Jones. Okay, situation,

2066
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 2: that's fair, that's fair post Jack Jones situation, and I

2067
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:15,720
Speaker 2: and I don't want to get too much into the

2068
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 2: into the Jack Jones thing, but post Jack Jones situation,

2069
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 2: I think Jalen Mills is he's a fire extinguisher. He

2070
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:28,800
Speaker 2: puts out fires. Now, if in some game plans he's

2071
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 2: better at safety, he's gonna play safety. In some game plans,

2072
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 2: he's better at corner. He's gonna play corner. And when

2073
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 2: I say better, I mean more use for the matchup.

2074
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 2: So if when they play Cincinnati, instead of having to

2075
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:43,479
Speaker 2: run Jonathan Jones against T Higgins, now, now maybe Jalen

2076
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 2: Mills plays corner that game and Jonathan Jones gets who

2077
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:47,599
Speaker 2: goes back into the middle of the field for the day.

2078
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:52,080
Speaker 2: If they're playing a match against Miami, maybe Miami is

2079
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 2: a matchup where Jalen plays more, plays more safety because

2080
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:57,599
Speaker 2: they have smaller receivers, and they don't necessarily need Jalen

2081
01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:00,679
Speaker 2: Mills to play on the outside. I think Jalen Mills

2082
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 2: now goes and puts fires out.

2083
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 1: I like that, and I if that's if that's great.

2084
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 2: I think it's a really really valuable role. I think

2085
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 2: that that's like one of the things I'm more excited

2086
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:17,040
Speaker 2: about with this defense is that they have that they

2087
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 2: have somebody they can move around like that I wouldn't

2088
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 2: call quite like a queen on the chessboard, maybe like

2089
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 2: a like a night or a rook right, Like, it's.

2090
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,720
Speaker 1: Like, what uh to cross sports for a second, what

2091
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 1: brock Holt was and is playing with utility left fielder

2092
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 1: needs a day off, right, Brock, you're playing left field,

2093
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 1: second base. We needs a day off, Brock playing second Like,

2094
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:37,519
Speaker 1: it's just wherever you need him, you can just put

2095
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 1: in there. I hope that's the case, because that then, yeah,

2096
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:42,560
Speaker 1: you don't need that other boundary corner and and you

2097
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 1: save one of John Jones or Marcus Jones to play

2098
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 1: in the slot. And Miles bryan I've said this for

2099
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 1: I don't think Miles Bryant would be a bad third safety,

2100
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 1: fourth safety, whatever, like extra safety that's probably a better

2101
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:54,719
Speaker 1: role than him. We don't need seem in man coverage anymore.

2102
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agreed, that's a big thing. Yeah, you gotta

2103
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:01,160
Speaker 2: get him out of man coverage. You gotta all right, specialists,

2104
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:02,599
Speaker 2: you're you're your time to shine.

2105
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: So, like I said, I'm breaking my preview up into

2106
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 1: two parts. There's the position battle.

2107
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 2: Part seventeen thousand words. So it's actually it needs to

2108
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:11,840
Speaker 2: be broken up into teams.

2109
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:13,840
Speaker 1: Well, no, it's two different things. It's the position battles

2110
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 1: and then everything else to watch. So I obviously position

2111
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 1: battle punter right is a big but for the what

2112
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:21,640
Speaker 1: to watch for the special teams, I'm actually curious just

2113
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:24,160
Speaker 1: how they handle kickoffs. We didn't see a ton of

2114
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 1: kickoff work in the spring. It's a new rule and

2115
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 1: kickoff returns to all of it.

2116
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:31,200
Speaker 2: So do you mean like from a technical standpoint, or

2117
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 2: do you mean like, let's not have Niam Hines happen again.

2118
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:36,519
Speaker 1: All of it? Like, how are they adjusting to the

2119
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:39,599
Speaker 1: new rule. There's you know, they invested in special teams

2120
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:41,639
Speaker 1: in the offseason. They brought in Chris Board, they kind

2121
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 1: of overhaul that position. Just what does the kickoff unit

2122
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 1: look like? What is the return unit look like? Are

2123
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 1: they going to allow teams to return kicks?

2124
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 3: So?

2125
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,559
Speaker 1: Are they gonna just try to go for touchbacks? Are

2126
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 1: they going to maybe put some fhis summer returning kicks?

2127
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 1: Are they gonna draw some stuff up? Are they gonna

2128
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 1: line up any differently? Like, I'm just curious how they're

2129
01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:58,400
Speaker 1: going to adapt. It is mainly I'm curious how they're

2130
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:00,320
Speaker 1: gonna adapt to the new rules in that phase the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're on the same lines as because

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Speaker 2: I'm on a coaching line too, and I think that's

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Speaker 2: more coaching. But I look at the way this team

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Speaker 2: is constructed and I don't necessarily need them to win

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Speaker 2: games in the kicking game, Like it's obviously gravy if

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Speaker 2: you have Marcus Jones return a punt for a touchdown

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Speaker 2: in a game, or you block a punt or whatever

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Speaker 2: the case may be. But they are not going to

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Speaker 2: make the playoffs again this year. They're not gonna get

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Speaker 2: back to the playoffs if they're losing games because of

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Speaker 2: special teams. And when I say losing games, maybe that's

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Speaker 2: a little strong, but if special teams is working against them,

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Speaker 2: they're gonna have a lot of trouble. I think yeah,

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Speaker 2: And they are gonna have to be a clean football

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01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 2: team again. And this is part of the reason why

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Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien's back is to not necessarily because they need to,

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01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 2: you know, change philosophies to score forty points a game

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01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:56,680
Speaker 2: or like, it's not that deep. It's simply just they

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01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 2: need to be cleaner on offense. They need to be

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Speaker 2: a more well oiled machine. I think special teams is

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Speaker 2: the same way. They need to be cleaner. They can't

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01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 2: be running into the punter on fourth and three anymore.

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01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 2: They can't be giving up two kickoff return touchdowns in

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Speaker 2: a must win, basically playoff game in Week eighteen of

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Speaker 2: the season in Buffalo. We can go down the line

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Speaker 2: with all all the things that happened last year that

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01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:26,800
Speaker 2: needs to change. And in the spring, Alex we saw

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Speaker 2: a lot of Joe Judge on special teams. It almost

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01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 2: felt like exclusively he's the special teams coordinator, even though

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Speaker 2: he's not listed as a special teams coordinator. That is

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Speaker 2: what it feels like. And if that's the answer, then

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01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 2: that's the answer. But this, to me is the biggest

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01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:50,400
Speaker 2: risk that Bill Belichick is taking with this team again.

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Speaker 2: This year is he's counting on Joe Judge to do

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Speaker 2: something again. He's counting on Joe Judge to clean up

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Speaker 2: special team and if special teams are a disaster again.

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Speaker 2: All those calls that we didn't get as many of

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Speaker 2: them on this show. They know not to call us

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Speaker 2: about the drama. They leave that for Patriots unfiltered. But

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Speaker 2: all the calls that we get we got earlier today

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Speaker 2: on PU about Belichick's future and about his status as

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01:39:17,479 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 2: a coach here with the Patriots, if they lose a

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Speaker 2: must win game again like they did last year against

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Speaker 2: Buffalo because of kickoff returns, and it's Joe Judge's fault,

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Speaker 2: it's just another It's another bullet in the old Ammo chamber.

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Speaker 1: Right, like it's you start, We'll start getting the friends

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Speaker 1: of Bill talking right again.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: And I also wonder, and I like cam Accord. We

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Speaker 2: like cam Accord just getting to know him a little

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Speaker 2: bit covering the team. Yeah, I wonder what cam Accord's

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Speaker 2: role is, what his thoughts are on all this, how

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01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 2: he handles it. And it has a trickle down effect too,

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Speaker 2: because they have three coaches now coaching special teams, by

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01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:57,599
Speaker 2: the way, because Joe Houston is still in the building.

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Speaker 2: And Joe Houston was the assistants beech teams coach last

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01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 2: year and Camra Cord was a special teams coordinator. Now

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01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 2: Joe Houston's basically like the assistant to the assistant special

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Speaker 2: teams coach. Right, all right, it's it's the old Dwight true.

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Speaker 2: So at what point, like, how does that affect the

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01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:17,120
Speaker 2: dynamic and how does it affect at all? They need

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Speaker 2: to be better in the kicking game. They need to

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Speaker 2: go get back to in twenty one they were really

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Speaker 2: good in the kicking game. Obviously in twenty they were

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Speaker 2: I think that was probably their best year under a Cord.

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Speaker 2: That was the year that you know, Gunner goes the

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Speaker 2: against All Pro nods as a returner. Bailey was an

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Speaker 2: All Pro punter that year. They won games on special

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Speaker 2: teams or you know, had big plays in games on

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Speaker 2: special teams. I should say this team's gonna need it.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna need those points. They're gonna be the hidden yards.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna need the occasional block punt, they're gonna need

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01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:53,439
Speaker 2: the occasional field flipping return. They're gonna need to cover

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Speaker 2: kicks well. And if that's how they win, you know,

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Speaker 2: that's how they're gonna win, you know, playoff amount of games,

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Speaker 2: that's how they're gonna beIN ten to eleven games as

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Speaker 2: if they do that. So that's a big deal with

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Speaker 2: the special teams. I think that about does it here.

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Speaker 2: Like I said at the beginning of the show, Alex

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Speaker 2: and I are going to record right after this and

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Speaker 2: you guys are gonna hear it next week, A how

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Speaker 2: to a faq as Fred called it, of Patriots training camp.

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01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:24,000
Speaker 2: We're gonna get into the weeds a little bit about

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Speaker 2: how we watch camp and that type of stuff. Well,

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01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:28,880
Speaker 2: altys have some fun with it and give some suggestions

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01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:31,800
Speaker 2: of you know, lunch spots and that type of thing.

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01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:34,799
Speaker 2: But it's a it's a Patriots Catch twenty two faq

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Speaker 2: on training camp. But don't don't call in next Thursday,

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01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:41,880
Speaker 2: all right, don't call in, don't email in. It's not

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Speaker 2: gonna be live live. We're live to tape. We're live

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Speaker 2: to tape, So keep that in mind. And I will

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Speaker 2: be on vacation. But and hopefully Just isn't listening to this.

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01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:53,680
Speaker 2: But if DeAndre Hopkins signed, we might have to do

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Speaker 2: an emergency pod. So we'll we'll think about that when

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Speaker 2: the cause, well cause everage when we get to it

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Speaker 2: all right, But until then, make sure you still listen

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Speaker 2: to next week's show. We will have something for you

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Speaker 2: in my stead, we promise, but until then, signing off

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Speaker 2: for Alex Bart, I'm Evan Lazar. Thanks for watching on YouTube,

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Speaker 2: thanks for listening, and we'll speak to you guys next week.

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