1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number one 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: Tay in the show. I'm joined by Pat Reeve of 6 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: Driven TV, and we're going to be discussing his tactics 7 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: for hunting mature bucks in hilly country and much more. 8 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: All Right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought 9 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: to you by Sick Gear. And as I just mentioned, 10 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: we've got Pat Reeve with us on the show today, 11 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: and during this conversation we'd discussed his experiences hunting the 12 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: bluff country of Wisconsin and Minnesota and a whole lot more. 13 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 1: But unfortunately, due to some technical difficulties, we actually lost 14 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: most of the introduction to this conversation in which we 15 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: heard about Pat's background. So with that being the case, 16 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: here's the really short cliff notes version. Pat started out 17 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: as a guide for bluff country outfitters in Wisconsin's Buffalo County, 18 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 1: and then he went on to produce the North American 19 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: Whitetailed television show and then finally his own show, Driven 20 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: TV with Pat and Nicole. So Pat's hunted all across 21 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: the country, but his roots and tons of his experiences 22 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: is in this hilly country, and so that's what most 23 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: of our conversation today is focused on. That said, though, 24 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: we're going to keep this intro short and get you 25 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: right into that discussion. But quickly before we get to that, 26 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: we need to pause to thank our partners at Sick 27 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: of Gear for their support of this podcast. And today 28 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: we have a sit story from Matt McCormick, a friend 29 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: of mine and a hunter and photographer out of Montana 30 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: who recently went on his first Midwestern white tailed bow 31 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: hunt in southern Ohio, and right at the end of 32 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: this trip, after a lot of long days on stand, 33 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: finally a big bodied, heavy horned buck appeared headed right 34 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: his way, and Matt describes the moments that followed. At 35 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: this point, I can't shoot him, so I calmed myself down. 36 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: But the presence of him was unlike anything I've ever 37 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: felt before. Everything was just dead, calm, you know, even 38 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: them just walking around was so quiet because there was 39 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: dew on the ground, and I just I just felt 40 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: like he knew I was there the whole time, and 41 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: and he never really made any movements that that said 42 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: that he knew I was there. I just felt like, 43 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just the weirdest thing. I don't 44 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: know if that was a feeling. It was just like 45 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: the weirdest feeling that I've ever felt before. I've never 46 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: felt anything like it with him that close right behind me. 47 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: And so he's pushing these doors around and grunting and 48 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: and he runs down the hill and runs back up 49 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: and and you know, so he runs basically runs away, 50 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm just like, gosh, that was awesome. And 51 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: then he runs back and oh, he's back again. And 52 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: then that went back and forth for you know, like 53 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: I said, ten maybe even fifteen minutes. And then finally 54 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: I'm watching him and he runs these two doughs and 55 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: he's running him right at me, and they split, and 56 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: when they split, one is coming right at me, and 57 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: he's She's gonna come right out from the spruce tree 58 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: right into my opening. And that's exactly what happened. The 59 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: doe came through his opening, the buck followed, and Matt 60 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: came to full draw. But in the hue of the moment, 61 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: and Matt stuck trying to pick whether aim for thirty 62 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: five yards or forty. He let the arrow go and 63 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: watched this sail past the buck, and the deer ran 64 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: off untouched, and then the buck stopped and turned back, 65 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: and so we shared this moment of like him and 66 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: I both staring at each other. I can see him, 67 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: he knows I'm there, but he can't see me. And 68 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: he's just stomping his foot and stomping his foot and 69 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: stomping his foot, and this doe kind of bounded off. 70 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: She saw the whole thing go down, but she never blew. 71 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: She just kind of ran and we just stared at 72 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: each other, which felt it felt like it was ten 73 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: minutes where we just stood there and stared at each other, 74 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: and eventually she blew. She blew out in front of me, 75 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: and he just does this top jumpree turn in the 76 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: air and just starts bounding away and just blows and 77 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:48,239 Speaker 1: blows and blows and and and he was gone. And 78 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: that's when I started in to shake the most. We 79 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: shared this moment and then he left, and for about 80 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: a minute or two, I I kind of question what 81 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: really just happened? How did I you know, there's all 82 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: sorts of things going and going through my mind, Um, 83 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: you know where did I hit? How did I? How 84 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: did I miss? That? Opening? Must not have been big enough. 85 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: What an incredible experience. Oh my gosh, I dear it 86 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: was a giant and watching him run away was like 87 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: a like an image in a in a you know, 88 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: any sort of magazine that you see where you just 89 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: see these giant deer running away and and then I 90 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: started shaking bad and it got worse before it got better. 91 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: I can certainly relate to that feeling right there. 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So so speaking of 119 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: the how to stuff, I kind of want to go 120 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: back in time to what you were doing early on 121 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: when you were working with Bluff Country Outfitters and Tom, 122 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: and I've heard a lot of great things about what 123 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: Tom's done there, and it sounds like you were probably 124 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: involved with that too. What did you learn about hunting 125 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: in that kind of terrain at that point? You know 126 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: that Bluff Country, hilly. You know, the Driftless area of Wisconsin. 127 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: What's hunting like there? Well, you know, of course, I 128 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: grew up in this country, so I learned early on. Um, 129 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: you know a lot about hunting in the Driftless area 130 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: or the bluff Country area. Um. After I've got a 131 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: chance to hunt around the world for white tails, I 132 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: have soon to realize that actually this bluff country can 133 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: be the hardest place to hunt mature box. Um. And 134 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: and there's there's plenty of them here. Don't give me wrong, 135 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: long but there's a couple of things why this country 136 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: is very hard to hunt versus Saint Iowa, Illinois, m 137 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: ar Kansas. It's in a lot of it has to 138 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: do with the topography or the train and this area 139 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:21,119 Speaker 1: is like very hilly. In the box, big mature buck 140 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: knows how to use that train to his advantage. He 141 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: knows how to bed in it. You know, it's how 142 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: they get visuals. Um. Of course, when when hunting, the 143 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: wind is terrible for the most parts, so you're always 144 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: fighting wind issues and constant swirling winds because the hills 145 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: create that vortex and you create all this swirling effect 146 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: and a lot of times you know, you get busted 147 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: as you're trying to hunt the deer. Um. So it's 148 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: it's a tricky proposition to hunt this versus you know, 149 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,599 Speaker 1: like I said, you're hunting in Illinois, you're hunting in 150 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: Iowa's flatter ground, true or ends, Um, the winds are 151 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: more consistent there, so you know up here it's a 152 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: lot different. Of course, you know deer I said, they 153 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: bed in certain spots where you know, they'll bed with 154 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: the wind at their back, where they're laying out on 155 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: a ridge or on a point, and then they can 156 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: see anything that might be belonged. So any sense of 157 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: danger that they smell or see, they're instantly, you know, 158 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: one hop they're completely out of sight and gone. They're 159 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: just that's how easy it did from and they learned 160 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: that as they get older, believe me. Um. But back 161 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: working for Tom kind of rewinding. You know, one of 162 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: the things that really helped me or may you know 163 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: fine tune my hunting skills was that every day were 164 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: taken out, I was taken out, you know, four to 165 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: six hunters per person. Tom would take some and I 166 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: would put them in tree stands. A I hung specifically 167 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: for a reason, Um, they became I was like a 168 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: computer base. I mean, those people were out there just 169 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: like I would be, only they were sitting in you know, 170 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: and strategy points that I thought would put them in 171 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: the best hunting situation. And they would come back and 172 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: of course tell me what they seen, how the deer 173 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: were traveling. And I learned really quick what worked and 174 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: what didn't because it was like six a meal out 175 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: there every day, so, you know, and then tom of 176 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: course we've strategized on what was, you know, what the 177 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: deer were doing, and over the course of time, we 178 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: really learned that. I mean, you really had to transition 179 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: with the deer um, the deer movements, their habits, what 180 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: affects their movements, whether it's moon, the acorns, water, food, whatever, 181 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: there's pressure, there's a lot of things that change deer 182 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: habits and deer movement. And I've obviously I've learned that 183 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: over the years, and that in guiding, obviously it was 184 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: a big portion of that. And you know, but I 185 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 1: still go out there thinking I gotta figured out and 186 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: I'm still learning. So I'm not going to pretend that 187 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: I know it all for sure, because I don't. They 188 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: still get you every day and of course, and weren't. 189 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: I mean, we do this for a living, so we 190 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: have to be out there. We can't, you know, a 191 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: lot of times wait for the perfect day to go hunting, 192 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: and neither can a lot of other people they can 193 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: relate to that because they have vacation slotted for a 194 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: certain time and and and they gotta pick pick their 195 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: week to take off and to go hunting for the 196 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: entire week. And so you know, they don't have in 197 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: all luxury of being able to hunt all the time either. 198 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: So in our situation, we're often going on to the 199 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: next date because Minnesota, here you get one deer or 200 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: a year, so that obviously it's not going to help 201 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: you make twenty original episodes. Uh shoot deer. So we 202 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: we gotta move and we gotta get to the next 203 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: next state. So we we try to target hunting our 204 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: state and other states at the right times. And that's 205 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: what other people should do too. If you're traveling or 206 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: going out of state. He's just figuring out that proper, 207 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: that the best time to be there. How well, each 208 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: state is different. Like I just like we talked about earlier, Um, 209 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: I know, if I take my son to on a 210 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: youth hunt to Kansas early season. The odds are he's 211 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: gonna probably shoot a big mature buck on a food 212 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: source early on because the deer is just on a pattern. 213 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: Um and and you can you can get on them. 214 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: Like most people you know that love white tails are 215 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: out watching deer early season, coming out to you know, 216 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: bell falsi fields, being bean fields, whatever they're they're watching 217 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: these deer all summer and if they could go hunt them, 218 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: they would kill him, especially if they had a firearm 219 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: in their hands. No different than going to Kansas early season. 220 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: So um, that's one of them things where I know 221 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: that that's high probability. Now of course that's not for 222 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: me because I can't. We don't have the luxury. But 223 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: they make that for the youth to get them youth 224 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: started and involved in a positive hunting situation. And it 225 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: works before the schools really kick off and get started. 226 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: And there's some great hunting opportunities, and anybody's thinking about 227 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 1: youth hunting should think about going to Kansas in the future. There's, 228 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: of course, there's a lot of public hunting opportunity. There 229 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: more better public hunting for big white tales than any 230 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: other state in the entire United States. And it's because 231 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: they offer public at a program called walk in Hunting 232 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: for the public, but it's on private lands. Um, there's 233 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: thousands of thousands of acres enrolled in that program and 234 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: makes that opportunity for very good So and of course 235 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: the state is covered with big white tails, you know, 236 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: all the way from north southeast west. I mean there 237 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: there's a big deer everywhere there. So, um, something somebody 238 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: should think about. Of course, that that goes all the 239 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: way throughout the entire season. I mean whether archer and 240 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: you just want to go out there, I mean, great 241 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: hunting opportunity, but you do have to draw a tag 242 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: tag draw situations, not over the counter like Minnesota, Wisconsin. 243 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: So anyways, I mean, you know, picking these spots are 244 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: really what ultimately becomes a challenge for us because the 245 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: rut happens just for a short period of time and 246 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: in our season is so tight. If if the deer rutted, 247 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: you know, three quarters of the year half the year, 248 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: boy be a much different situation. But we're talking, we're 249 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: gonna make hey for about a three week period and 250 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: then it's over for the rut. And mean, and then 251 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: your courser chances start to dwindle unless you focus in 252 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: on those early season opportunities and then late season opportunities 253 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: of mother nature, you know, curse your way. So um, 254 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: you know, our season just give you a kind of 255 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: a roundown of course, like our early season starts. You know, 256 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: like I said, in Kansas a lot of times, Um 257 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: we go there. I've hunted North Dakota early for velvet 258 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: deer before. That's it. It's always been a good opportunity. 259 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: They've had some winter die off here in the last 260 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: several years that kind of knocked the populations back. I 261 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: know that people hunt Missouri early. Um. Sometimes, Um, there's 262 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: Kentucky starts real early. Of course, velvet opportunity there. There's 263 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: certain states that open earlier and others like Iowa on 264 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: and open until October one. Um believe Illinois is the 265 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: same way. So some of these states don't open until 266 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: a little bit later on. Of course, Minnesota's Johnson is 267 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: the middle of September for archery season. So um, finding 268 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: these states that have those early early seasons is is key. 269 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: Now when as as the early season kind of transpires 270 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: into that October period, of course, we hit that lull 271 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: October low period, and that gets even trickier because now 272 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: the deer lull out and we're kind of we're entering 273 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: that period right now here in the in Minnesota. I 274 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: was hunting last night and with a good friend of mine, 275 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: Jeff Jannis, who plays for the Packers, were actually at 276 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: Tom's place last night, and the deer are you know, 277 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: last week, they were more visible on food plots and 278 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: now they're becoming last and we're counting on cameras to 279 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: kind of tell that story somewhat. And also we're, you know, 280 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: coming off a full moon period too, so that's that's 281 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: another thing that kind of adds into the equation. But um, yeah, 282 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: I saw a lot of deer last night eating acorns. 283 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: We're sitting right on the edge of acorns and a 284 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: food source and and a waterhole as well, so you know, 285 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: I saw a lot of deer in the inside of 286 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: the woods eating white oaks, white oak acorns. So that's 287 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: what's right now affecting deer movements and in affecting it 288 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: in a big way. And of course we hear October lall. 289 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: You know, it's a very common phrase, but it's really 290 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: that the deer movements are very minimal deer don't have 291 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: to move in the Midwest, you know, in Minnesota, Wisconsin 292 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: right now, very far especially in our country, because they 293 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: can stand up out of their bed, can eat their 294 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: primary food source, which is acorns right now, and not 295 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: take five steps and lay and fill up and lay 296 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: back down and not have There's no travel to and 297 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: from their bed to their food source like there is 298 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: later on. So right now, with the acorns being on 299 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: the ground, they're going to gorge and that's what they're 300 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: going to primarily eat for the most part. So how 301 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: do you hunt during that kind of situation where there's 302 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: a little movement and you have to get I imagine 303 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: that at least for me, the challenge is always how 304 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: do you get in there to hunt that food that's 305 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: also so close to where they bed without spooking them? 306 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: Very tricky. How will we do it? There's a couple 307 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: of ways. If you're gonna go and hunt acorn ridges 308 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: and acorn trees, mass acorn, you know, tree crop trees 309 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: that really are producers um and and it can be effective, 310 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: but the odds of you spooking that deer running that 311 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: deer out of there very high. So here's what we do. 312 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll go in there and hunt when there's 313 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: a you know, a fair amount of noise in the 314 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: woods which is created by wind rain element that really 315 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: buffers your sound and movement. So you can get into 316 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: a tree without blowing everything out. And you know, I 317 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: mean wind and rain is about the only time to 318 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: do that. If you go on in a quiet day, 319 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: you're gonna probably probably blow things out of there. So 320 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: you know, trickier, trickier time to hunt. Um. But a 321 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: lot of times we use wind rain weather to our advantage. 322 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: Of course, in the bluff country we use that same 323 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 1: thing if we're hunting low. UM. A lot of times 324 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: if it's real windy, you know, bottom fields or bottom 325 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: areas become more affective because deer don't like that wind 326 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: as much. They'll go down in those lower lower areas 327 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: and they might feed at the bottom of the ridges 328 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: or go out of those bottom fields at night. But 329 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: then you deal with wind issues a little bit, so 330 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: um as time transpires later on, of course, all the 331 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: leaves are off the tree, and hunting low can be 332 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: tricky because if you're gonna walk up a valley system 333 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: and you're gonna be exposed, you're gonna be you know, 334 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: out in the wide old and you want a weather 335 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: element helps kind of cut that visibility issue for them, 336 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: for them spotting you walking or getting into your your 337 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: stand location, so you know, sleep, snow, rain, whatever really 338 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: helps UH to hunt those low low area times. And 339 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: we learned that you know, a long time ago, so 340 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: um that that you know, that's one of our tricks. 341 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 1: Another thing um that we do and we do it. 342 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: I think one of the probably the biggest things that 343 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: really affects our success here is not I mean, and 344 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: I think if I talked to a lot of people 345 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: and they show me that they show me a picture 346 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: of a big deer and they're like, you know, I 347 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: had this big deer on camera a lot, and I 348 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: know he lives there. He's very residential. We got lots 349 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: of photos of them. But every time I go and 350 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: hunt him, I don't see them what's going on? And 351 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: it's pretty simple. I think that the biggest thing is 352 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: he's they're tipping. They're tipping that deer off that they're 353 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: hunting him, and he of course changes his pattern or 354 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: his his travel plans and doesn't come their way simply 355 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: because they've already alerted them that they're in the woods. 356 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: So you gotta be you gotta think a little bit 357 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: like a deer. You gotta you gotta figure try to 358 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: figure out how to get in there, you know, quietly, 359 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: and get set up on him and not alarm any 360 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: other deer. And sometimes it might not be alarming that deer, 361 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: but you might blow some those out of there that 362 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: ron take off running through the woods and NFL box 363 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: bedded off. You'll figure out something spooked them. Deer ain't 364 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,959 Speaker 1: gonna get up and start walking that way later on, 365 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: an hour later, or if he hears a deer blowing 366 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: off in that direction, he's gonna avoid danger. He knows. 367 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: Even a squirrel barking sometimes to them as is dangerous. 368 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: So um, those little things can make a big difference. 369 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: And trying to figure out how to use that rain 370 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: um and and getting in and getting set up on 371 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: them without tipping them off can be very crucial. How 372 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: do we do it? There's a couple of different ways. 373 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: But in the Midwest here, if I have the opportunity 374 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: to have somebody driving me to my tree stand, whether 375 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: it's in an a TV car, vehicle, whatever, dropped me 376 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: off and then leave, that's the best case scenario because 377 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: they're used to vehicles, they're used to machinery, they're used 378 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: to those noises, and it doesn't present a danger to them. 379 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: They pay attention to it, I think when they're betted 380 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: or nearby, but then after the sound leaves, then they 381 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 1: go back to their normal travel patterns or normal routine, 382 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: so you know, and then we don't leave any scent behind. 383 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: That's also very crucial. But if we have to walk 384 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: to them stands, because they may they can. You cannot 385 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: have somebody drop you off for for on one reason 386 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: or another. I've even went to the extent where I 387 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: have a guy walk in with me and then we 388 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: get in the stand and then I have that person 389 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: walk out. So if they're paying attention to hearing that walking, 390 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: then they think gamesers come and damesers left. And that's 391 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: that's worked as well for us sometimes to trick them. 392 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: You know. One of the other things. If I don't 393 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: have that luxury where more most people don't, they help 394 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: by themselves. I just make sure that I make a stealthy, quiet, 395 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: stand approached travel corridor to my location. If I'm hunting 396 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: the interior into the woods, and that means clearing a trail, 397 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: clearer debris all the way to the dirt. So when 398 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: I walk in there, I don't break a twig at all, 399 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: um and and try to you know, you know, use 400 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: it again, use the train to your advantage, whether it's 401 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: a ditch. Um. You know, keeping out of any visual 402 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: sight of those dear is just trying to avoid tipping 403 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: them off. You When do you actually go and make 404 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: those kinds of trails, Well, I mean, obviously if we 405 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: have the luxury, and now that changes if if I 406 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: have a piece of via permission for a particular piece 407 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: of property, or I own a particular piece of property, 408 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna hang stands. I'm gonna do it well in events. Um, 409 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: usually that's in the spring. We hang them and then 410 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: we'll go in there and just check on them, you know, 411 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: during the summer. About a month prior to the hunting started, 412 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: Like I have had my tree stands trim tong and 413 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: everything like two months ago, already here in Minnesota. So 414 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: they're they're dialing and ready to go. Um, because I 415 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: know my food sources and where you know, I'm going 416 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: to kind of target the deer. Um. I also let 417 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: now you know, over the course of the year. So 418 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: we years learned a couple of things. Um, I like 419 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: the deer, you know, to have I let the deer 420 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: really have a lot of the timber for themselves, and 421 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: I kind of hunt them on the outside. Now I 422 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: let the deer come to me. And I learned that 423 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: by hunting in Illinois with guys that that don't step 424 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: a foot in their timber ever, and they kill big 425 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: bucks consistently, And I'm like, how do you do that. 426 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: I grew up in an area where I had to 427 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: go deep back in to kill a big deer, and 428 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: now they're they're killing all these deer and them like 429 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: and the guys like, well, I let the deer come 430 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: out naturally. You know, it takes several years for them 431 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: to condition to do that. But after a while, if 432 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: they feel like there's no pressure on the outside, and 433 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: if you're hunting properly, they will eventually adjust and they 434 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: will come out in daylight hours and you will be 435 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: able to take advantage of that. And it's a low 436 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: impact situation because now you're hunting them on the side, 437 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: which means that you're not bumping them into all when 438 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: you're getting into your stands and if you hunt them 439 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: right on the outside, they won't never know they're being hunted, 440 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: you know, because you obviously you're getting in without bumping them. 441 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: And then when you leave a lot of times you 442 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: leave in a proper manner that don't also alarm them 443 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: that you're there as well. Now it could be a 444 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: vehicle coming in and picking up an ATV whatever. There 445 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: might be a stealthy approach out of there in the 446 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: evening where you slip, you know, you get down and 447 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: you slip out the back door. You know, you drop 448 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: over a ridge and out of sight and you know, 449 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: get out of there. Or they might transition through that 450 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: area and they might be out in front of you 451 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: for a little bit there at a water hole or 452 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: a pinch point, and then they leave and they go 453 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: out to another food source, so they they're not even 454 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: around you in the evening as dark approaches. So yeah, 455 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: I think I've learned that let the deer come to 456 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: you in steady you go into the deer and hunting 457 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: them on the outside. That takes a couple of years 458 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: for deer to condition to do that, and likely likely 459 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: of property where you can keep that pressure low, right, Yes, 460 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: and if you know A private example is that I have, 461 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: like I said, allfitters and friends that do that successfully. 462 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: The Druries one of the some of the best deer 463 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: hunters I know in television for sure. I mean, undoubtedly 464 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: these guys. They consistently killed giants. I would I would 465 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: venture to say they do that a lot. And they're 466 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: very very good dear. You know, I have known those 467 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: guys for a long time. Market very great people. Um. 468 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: But they they put low impact on their farms. These 469 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: are free range and white tails there are no different 470 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: than any other free range of white tail around the country. 471 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: I mean, they're tricky to hunt if they get pressured, 472 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: but they're low impact, low pressure and makes a huge difference, 473 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: you know. I mean I live in an area that 474 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: gets a little more hunting pressure here in Minnesota, so 475 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: that changes, that changes the whole complexity, and you know 476 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: your deer game plan you now are thinking about hunting 477 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: pressured animals. I mean I live next to one of 478 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: the largest wildlife management areas in the entire state, you know, 479 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: over thirty thousand acres. It has great hunting but and 480 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: it has monster bucks in it. But it doesn't mean 481 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: that you can go just you know, parking a parking lot, 482 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: walk out on one of their trails, go find a 483 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: perfect tree and set up on a deer trail and 484 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: spectacular deer hasn't work that way. I mean, if you're 485 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: gonna hunt, you've got to figure out where they're gonna 486 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: obviously be feeding, where the food sources, where they're coming from, 487 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: and then you know, probably back door them. You know, 488 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: figure out where that they know where the pressure is 489 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: coming from, so they're gonna avoid that pressure. They're going 490 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: to be you know, traveling, you know, in such a 491 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: way that they never get themselves in harm's way. So 492 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: if you figure out how to come from the back 493 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: side of the ridge and maybe in the morning be 494 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: set up, well, I'm deer filtering back thinking that the 495 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: pressure is kind of pushing them that way. Boom there 496 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: in your lap and you're in your bedding area and 497 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: you can you can pretty pretty much have a good hunt. 498 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: It definitely seems to take a different level of aggressiveness 499 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: when you're hunting those deer that are getting pressure ton 500 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: because you know, you couldn't sit on the edge in 501 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: a wildlife management area like that and expect to see 502 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: deer come out of the field. Because there's gonna be 503 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: all sorts of other hunters in that kind of situation. 504 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: Like you said, make that adjustment, get deeper in there, 505 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: or get to where nobody else will go, and then 506 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: you can and then you can finally get into those deer. 507 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: But I want to take a step back to something 508 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: you touched on a couple of times, um, but I 509 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: want to dive into a little bit further. And that's 510 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: the wind. When you're in these areas of topography, lots 511 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,479 Speaker 1: of hills and bluffs and all that kind of stuff, 512 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: can you celebrate on specifically the wind issues you have, 513 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: why that's an issue, and then how you deal with 514 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:12,479 Speaker 1: that well, I mean obviously that the wind is you know, 515 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: all over in every direction, a lot of times created 516 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: created by the topography or the lay of the land. 517 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: Now sometimes you can think, hey, and northwest wind is 518 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: a perfect wind. It will be in my face and 519 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: you go sit there and it's absolutely the opposite. And 520 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: it's because the hill creates a vortex, so it comes 521 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: over the top of the ridge from the northwest like 522 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: you think it is. And that's what the weather Channel 523 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: has told you the winds out of And then when 524 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: you go sit in the bottom or midway up a hillside, 525 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: and now it's vortexing and it's actually coming from the southeast. 526 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: So it's absolutely the opposite wind, um of what you think. 527 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: So you kind of got to learn over course of 528 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: time by trial and are a lot of times what 529 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: the primary winds are in particular stand location. Um, it 530 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: doesn't always go that way. Sometimes you know, the winds 531 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: just are in every direction. But you know, over the 532 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: course of time, I've learned in some of our stands, 533 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,479 Speaker 1: like Tom stands, Tom sount of them. Those areas for 534 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: you know, years from now. He knows that those stands, 535 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: what winds are perfect for those stands. So I mean 536 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: he's got those slotted in there. And in our situation, um, 537 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: you know, I mean we try to stay up on 538 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: top of the ridge. Is a lot to hunt versus 539 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: get ourselves over the edge or down low, because then 540 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: you are more susceptible to a swirling wind or a 541 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: wind that changes or something like that, which you know 542 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: it's hard to control. Obviously, we try to stay send free. Um. 543 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: We practice being sent free as much as we can, 544 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: um by keeping our clothes you know, washed and sent free, 545 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: detergent all the way from start stored and sense safe 546 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: environment until you get out there in the field. And 547 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: dressing in the field, um you know, I mean we 548 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: wear you know, technology clothes that um you know, keep 549 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: the scent to a minimum, that absorbs scent situations. Um. 550 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: But I mean and all that stuff is effective. I 551 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: mean you gotta you know, there's no cure all, which 552 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: means you can't go put on or spray down and 553 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: think that you're gonna walk out from mark and that's 554 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: gonna you know, cure you know, any sent that you 555 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: might have on you. It's kind of taking you know, 556 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: a series of steps to become sent free. But that 557 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: isn't a guarantee. I always say, it just gives you 558 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: a bupper. If you are really truly just sent free 559 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: as possible, then it might give you an edge to 560 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: or if a deer comes in he thinks you're not 561 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: in his danger zone when you actually are, it might 562 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: be like your essenes you but you're at a hundred 563 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: yards instead of year at twenty. So they might get 564 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: nervous and they like, oh, there's something here, but there's 565 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: no you know, it's really there's no deer in my 566 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: immediate danger zone. Yeah, that makes sense. What about any 567 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: Sorry about that, My little one came in no problem 568 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: speaking of those, uh of those type of situations when 569 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: you're in that hilly country dealing with that kind of wind. 570 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: While that's also all that can be a challenge, right 571 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: hunting that kind of area with that wind issue, it 572 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: can also be a benefit. And then I think there's 573 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: a lot of ways that terrain like that funnels deer. 574 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: Is that something you take advantage of a lot? Well, yeah, 575 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, these hills and valley do create 576 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: funnels simply because there's a lot of the erosion that 577 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: takes place here. So generally in each drainage there's going 578 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: to be a place where the water washes. And in 579 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: most situations, over the course of time, especially this year, 580 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: we've had a lot of rain, um those those ditches 581 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: or drainages become impassable, which means a deer half a 582 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: lot of times have to kind of go up and 583 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: go around a steep part or find a place to 584 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:40,240 Speaker 1: cross um from one point to another, and that funnels 585 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: the deer. You know, some a lot of times it's 586 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: at the top of the ridge, or it's at the 587 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: bottom the ridge is where they get through. It ain't 588 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: gonna be in a halfway point. So you know, the 589 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: steeper areas are obviously you know, going to be impassable, 590 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: so um, we look for those. But again a lot 591 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: of times choose the top of a ridge because I 592 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: can get a truer wind. I used a ridge in 593 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,439 Speaker 1: my advantage in certain instances. I hunted a big non 594 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: typical years ago in Bluff at Tom's place in both 595 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: Country Outfitters Place in Wisconsin and Buffalo Coney. He was 596 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: a big, mature deer that lived on Tom's and you know, 597 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 1: with the hunting pressure and stuff from you know, years 598 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: of Tom's hunters, he knew how to invade danger. He 599 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,760 Speaker 1: lived out on a ridge that had no pressure because 600 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't Tom's piece of property. It was just an 601 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,280 Speaker 1: old guy had it. And he never really hunted outside 602 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: of gun hunting, so that deer knew exactly where he 603 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: had to spend his time and he would kind of 604 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,760 Speaker 1: come on to Tom's, but he would come there during 605 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: you know darkness, and we get a lot of photos 606 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: of him. But I got permission to hunt this deer. 607 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: It was just one little ridge that this deer lived 608 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: on him It wasn't a very big area. His core 609 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: area was very small. He was six and a half 610 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: years old, and I tounted him as a five and 611 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,959 Speaker 1: a half year old quite heavily. But I was only 612 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: limited to hunting on Tom's border, and that was a 613 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: kind of halfway up that same particular ridge. And that 614 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: deer every time I would hunt him, he wouldn't show up, 615 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: and when I wouldn't be there, I would get a 616 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: picture of him, so I knew he was watching me 617 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: get into my stand. So um, I got access to 618 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,800 Speaker 1: that piece of property, and I went hung a stand 619 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: on top of that ridge, and I hung in in 620 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: a manner that with a salt wind that would blow 621 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: my wind out, he would think he was coming into 622 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: the wind walking along the top of that ridge, but 623 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: actually my wind was going out over the valley, so 624 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: he would never be able to pick me out. And 625 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: exactly what happened. I on the second day, early September. 626 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: He walked right in. He got up out of his bed, 627 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: which he was betted on one of the edges, and 628 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: he was walking right along the ridge with the wind 629 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: in his face, feeding on acorns, and he walked right 630 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: in twenty yards and I stuck him. Unfortunately, I caught 631 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: a deflection off a rib and went up under shoulder 632 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: blade instead of into his cavity, and off he went. 633 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: I thought it made a perfect shot. It should look 634 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,280 Speaker 1: like in a video. Because that was in two thousand 635 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: and six. That deer was famous in that area. We 636 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,439 Speaker 1: called him Moses, and I did. I did a show 637 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: on him because it was a cool story because it 638 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: had an outcome. Um That deer showed up like a 639 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: month and a half later on camera, all stretched out perfectly, fine, 640 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: big scar on a twelve ring spot right behind his shoulder, 641 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 1: but perfect, I mean nothing, no signs of, you know, 642 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: being sick or anything. And then they killed him during 643 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,280 Speaker 1: gun the season, so we got to see what happened. 644 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: But I fooled him because of the wind. And I 645 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: used those edges of those ridges to get the wind 646 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: in my favor and blow out over the over the ridge. 647 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: And you know, the deer think the wind is in 648 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 1: their favor because they're traveling on the actually they can 649 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: see down, they can see any danger from blow but 650 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 1: then the winds completely in their face. So hunting those 651 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: lips are pretty effective. How do you get into those 652 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: spots and for afternoon hunts. I imagine that's the challenge 653 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 1: is because right, they're set up so well where they 654 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: can see down below them, they can smell, you know, 655 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 1: like you said, usually they're better with the wind at 656 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: their backs. They can smell anything behind them. How do 657 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: you get in there? Well, that was You're right, that 658 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: was a challenge, and I knew it would be the challenge. 659 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,800 Speaker 1: I knew I had to get into that location early 660 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 1: season when the foliage was still on, because he could 661 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 1: see me when the leaves come off the trees. No 662 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 1: matter what direction I would come, I used the ridge 663 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: actually as um part of the way I could get 664 00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: in it. You know, the point would come out, so 665 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: I knew he was more on the east side of 666 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 1: the ridge betted than the west side, so I used 667 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: the west side to come up from. So give me 668 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: that ridge is a hiding point. And of course your 669 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: sound doesn't travel up over it, you know, just reflects 670 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: and goes back. But there was a steep erosion ditch 671 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: that came down from that top of that ridge, and 672 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: I actually went in there in the middle of the 673 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: summer and cleared that out. It was sandy too, so 674 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 1: it was real quiet, but I cleared that out. I 675 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: cleared myself a trail and pulled. It was basically pulling 676 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: myself all the way up from using saplings to get 677 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: into my stand. And when I got to the lip 678 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: of the ridge, I basically got I come out of 679 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 1: that ditch and I just was right there and my 680 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: my tree stand was right there, and up in the 681 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: tree I went. It was so deadly and silent. I 682 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 1: remember when I crawled into that stand for the first time. 683 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 1: I don't know one time I start the deer. I 684 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 1: crawled into that stand up day. And when I got 685 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: into it, I it was pretty quiet gonning, and I 686 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: didn't want to make any noise because I knew he 687 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: was really better, really close. I got in there and 688 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,320 Speaker 1: there was those bedded within ten yards of that stand. 689 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 1: They did not pay any attention to me. It did 690 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: not spook off. They hadn't seen me. And then I 691 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: didn't make any noise and they couldn't smell me, so 692 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: it was stealthy as I'll get out. And again, you know, 693 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about paying attention to stand 694 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: approaches and not tipping off deer and how you do it. 695 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just a great way to get 696 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: in there and it can be I remember hunting one 697 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: time um a situation and in Iowa with Greg Miller 698 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,360 Speaker 1: and I hunted this place and out in a western 699 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: Iowa um in the sand hill area near the Nebraska border, 700 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: and it was a cool spot because that area is 701 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: not as big and doesn't have as bigger hills are 702 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,240 Speaker 1: pretty they're pretty small. And the steerer it was late hunted, 703 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: late season hunting a situation where we're hunting out their muzzle, 704 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: older season, which and the deer were all coming off 705 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,359 Speaker 1: this little hillside. It's all facing hillside and dropping into 706 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 1: the self alfa field. We couldn't I mean, you can't 707 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,439 Speaker 1: like get out and walk across that alf alfa field 708 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 1: and getting you're blind and expect to shoot a deer 709 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: because they you would domino him, they'd see you. But 710 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,840 Speaker 1: this guy, he used it. It was like a creek, 711 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: an old creek bed, and it was steep and in 712 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,399 Speaker 1: kind of a roaded out over the years. And we 713 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 1: would get into that creek bed about a quarter a 714 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,959 Speaker 1: mile away, drop into it from the his driveway, drop 715 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 1: into that creek bed and walked the creek bed all 716 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: the way up to a blind that he had set 717 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: up on the end of that little drainage. When we 718 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: got we crawled up and the deer would they never 719 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: left the field all day. I think they fed out 720 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: there in that alf Alls field. We crawl up and 721 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: right in through a trapdoor system and right into the 722 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 1: blind and get up and peek out the window, and 723 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: there would be deery and they wouldn't even know you 724 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: got in. But people got into think, like a deer, 725 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 1: you can't go just lazing into your tree stands and 726 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: expect that you're gonna shoot a big buck a lot 727 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: of times. Yeah. So, So, speaking of tree stands and 728 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: different setups like this, we've talked about, you know, how 729 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,799 Speaker 1: to access them smart, We've talked about different ways of 730 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,760 Speaker 1: dealing with wind. But something I've heard you mentioned before, 731 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: and I think you mentioned in your book too, was 732 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: about ways of making tree stands sites even better than 733 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,720 Speaker 1: usual by using something you refer to as calling cards. 734 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: Can you talk about what that is and what some 735 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: examples that might be. Well, you know, I mean, we 736 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: we have property that we own here and Minnesota, and 737 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: and not a big track of lamp, pretty small. I 738 00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: started with you know, just about fifty here and and Um, 739 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: it's hard to manage if the acres didn't make it 740 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,400 Speaker 1: the best it can be. But I also have the neighbors, 741 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,360 Speaker 1: so I can. I want to a track dear to 742 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 1: my area. And I created an interior food plot back 743 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,440 Speaker 1: in the timber. Uh. It's only half an acre in size. 744 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,919 Speaker 1: It's on top of a ridge and we had a 745 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: long time ago ahead and straight line winds that came 746 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: through there and kind of knocked a bunch of the 747 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 1: timber over. So it was already an area that it 748 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: was kind of starting to grow up in time that 749 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: this would be a perfect place to create a food plot. 750 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,839 Speaker 1: But it's gonna take some work. So I went in there, 751 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,080 Speaker 1: saw it up and cut that a doors are in there, 752 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: and we pushed the stumps off and I cleared and 753 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,799 Speaker 1: into your plot. So that kind of started the momentum 754 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:48,880 Speaker 1: about building a nice little deer, you know, creating a 755 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,799 Speaker 1: deer drawing card, so to speak, for an into your 756 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 1: food source. And you know, I know that there's a 757 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: lot of people now thinking into your food sources, but 758 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: you've got to create an area for it. Once I 759 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: created that food source, um, it took a couple of 760 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: years to get it right. I mean, I know, first 761 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,320 Speaker 1: I hadn't neutralize the soil and get all the debris 762 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 1: out of there, and I put a lot of lime 763 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 1: on it. I mean I probably a ton of acre 764 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 1: at least, or not even more. I mean I turned 765 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: the ground and white. I had a guy coming there 766 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,880 Speaker 1: with just a line truck, like a dump truck, and 767 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 1: he just flipped I mean, spread it thick. And I 768 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,880 Speaker 1: started neutralizing that soil. Because that's soil, it's very acidic 769 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: from all that leaf debris for years a leaf and 770 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 1: hedder breaking down. So to grow good food on there 771 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 1: right away would be pretty tough. So I started conditioning 772 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,840 Speaker 1: the soil, started fertilizing it. Had a guy bring in 773 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,320 Speaker 1: some you know, seminar get started working that and getting 774 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: that soil prepared. I also created a water hole. Now 775 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,959 Speaker 1: if you hunt here in Buffalo County, are you hunt 776 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: here in our area? Water holes are no secret it anymore. 777 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,319 Speaker 1: Pretty much everybody that owns property in Buffalo County has 778 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,319 Speaker 1: a water hole on their property. It didn't start that way, 779 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 1: but people have learned over the years. Um, I think 780 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 1: a lot of us, Duke Tom and a few of 781 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: us started kind of that trend. But water holes are 782 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:24,799 Speaker 1: super deadly, super effective for creating a drawing card, so 783 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: to speak, to make deer come to a particular area. 784 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,760 Speaker 1: If we build them on the tops of these ridges, 785 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 1: we took them back into tight areas you know, that 786 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 1: are right on the edge of the bedding areas. And 787 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,560 Speaker 1: then you know, we may obviously build little trail systems 788 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: in to get in quietly and can get out. Um. 789 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:51,120 Speaker 1: But now you have a reason for a beer to 790 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 1: come to that particular spot. And we learned a long 791 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,319 Speaker 1: time ago deer can go without water, but they are 792 00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,120 Speaker 1: off food, but they can't go without water. And all 793 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,240 Speaker 1: throughout the entire season until it really gets frozen hard, 794 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,240 Speaker 1: the deer are going to use it. They're gonna utilize it. Obviously, 795 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 1: dry drier years are going to use it more. Um. 796 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 1: But when when the ruts on, deer I don't want 797 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 1: a hot deer gotta go to it. And it's just 798 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,920 Speaker 1: just an area that really pulls deer in, and I 799 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: build so I build an interior food plot. I always 800 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 1: put a water hole in combination with an interior plot. 801 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,399 Speaker 1: I mean it just goes without saying them. I might 802 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,240 Speaker 1: plant stuff there, you know that comes up for forage. 803 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,480 Speaker 1: And stuff for him, but also going to be a 804 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 1: water So so I create two things right there. And 805 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,440 Speaker 1: my I also plant fruit trees and plant apple trees 806 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: there because bucks really like apples early season and I 807 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,160 Speaker 1: don't know if it's a sugar content, but the go 808 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,280 Speaker 1: to apple trees. A lot of guys killed big bucks 809 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 1: on apple trees early season. So I plant apple trees 810 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:05,280 Speaker 1: and obviously it takes several years for them to you know, grow, 811 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 1: So you got a cageum keep protecting them from the deer. 812 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 1: If you just plant an apple tree out there, the 813 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,680 Speaker 1: deer o it will never never grown and never mature 814 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,120 Speaker 1: because they'll they'll browse it off and they'll never never 815 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,440 Speaker 1: develop apples. So you got a cageum and protect them. 816 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,839 Speaker 1: You also got to protect them from mice because mice 817 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,640 Speaker 1: in the winter will to the lower bark off them. 818 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,680 Speaker 1: And so you got a tube them as well. A 819 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,959 Speaker 1: little bit of a little work, but it will pay 820 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,759 Speaker 1: off when they mature. And my, my apple trees are 821 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,799 Speaker 1: now maturing now and they're producing apples, and again it 822 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 1: creates a drawing card for him. So now I got 823 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,400 Speaker 1: apple trees, I got water, and I got food in 824 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,800 Speaker 1: my food source. I have. I give them a selection 825 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,719 Speaker 1: of food. UM. And that's tricky because it's a very 826 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:56,000 Speaker 1: small area. UM, you know, half acre in size. I 827 00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 1: plant generally plant corn in the back um because it's 828 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,400 Speaker 1: also a cover. UM. But I know when it gets cold, 829 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 1: they're going to utilize that more. They're not it's not 830 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,799 Speaker 1: going to be an early season. And then UM. I 831 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 1: also have clover Nebraska planet in there as well, UM 832 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,320 Speaker 1: around the pond, so I give them a different food 833 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 1: variety for different times of the year. And when it 834 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,480 Speaker 1: gets colder, they're not going to hit the clover as much. 835 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,240 Speaker 1: You're gonna go in the corn. Some places we plant beans. 836 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:36,719 Speaker 1: But the real trick to growing corn and beans and 837 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:42,040 Speaker 1: stuff and small interior plots. UM. It's tricky because for 838 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,360 Speaker 1: one thing, you know, the sunlight is an issue for 839 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,760 Speaker 1: making the food really grow good. But the biggest issue 840 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 1: is keeping the deer out of it while it's growing 841 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,759 Speaker 1: and maturing in order for it to be abundant enough 842 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,720 Speaker 1: when the season kicks in. So you have to protect 843 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,400 Speaker 1: it or keep the deer out of there. And we 844 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 1: fence it. Um. How do we fence it? Um? You 845 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 1: know it's we're not putting high fence situation around this 846 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,480 Speaker 1: thing is, you know, it's not affordable, it's not effective. 847 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 1: But what we've learned that works the best. And I've 848 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,960 Speaker 1: tried electric before, like a six strand electric and that 849 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 1: works for a little bit. I'll keep them out there 850 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,120 Speaker 1: for a little bit, but if they want in their 851 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,640 Speaker 1: bad enough, they're going to figure out how to get 852 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 1: through that electric, I'm promise you. And then once they 853 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,799 Speaker 1: start tearing it up, tangled up, it's a mess. So 854 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,080 Speaker 1: the best case scenarios what we've done is we um 855 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,200 Speaker 1: we just simply went and got some high steel pole 856 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,919 Speaker 1: posts that you know, we're over eight ft, and then 857 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,239 Speaker 1: we would go get snow fencing from you can get 858 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:55,040 Speaker 1: it from lows, you know, Menard's wherever, just any farm 859 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,319 Speaker 1: and fleet store, and you take that snow fencing and 860 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,680 Speaker 1: then generally snow fencing is four or five ft tall, 861 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,239 Speaker 1: and you go around there and you just zip tie 862 00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,480 Speaker 1: it simply to those posts that you put in and 863 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,879 Speaker 1: stretch it and then you can put either second layer 864 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,920 Speaker 1: of that on top, or we use sometimes just it's 865 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,799 Speaker 1: a bird netting and it's a black burden hedding and 866 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,160 Speaker 1: we do the top portion in that burden ending. The 867 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,080 Speaker 1: best part is when you want to take it down, 868 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,360 Speaker 1: you can you just simply go and snip the zip 869 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,400 Speaker 1: ties and roll it back up and you're good for 870 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:35,040 Speaker 1: next year. Or some situations like in Illinois, will take 871 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,800 Speaker 1: a portion of it down and we create a funnel 872 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,880 Speaker 1: that way for the deer to enter and leave the field. 873 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:47,000 Speaker 1: And now your food now fully matures and is as 874 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,880 Speaker 1: ready for when you want to let them in. Worth awesome. 875 00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,640 Speaker 1: So this calling card like it sounds like this in 876 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,239 Speaker 1: this example you're sharing, right, You've got a tree stand there. 877 00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,319 Speaker 1: You're putting this into your food plot with all these 878 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,360 Speaker 1: different types of food sources in there. You've got a 879 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:08,480 Speaker 1: water source in there, so you're adding a little more attraction. Um. 880 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,640 Speaker 1: I've heard you also talking about scrapes or mock scrapes 881 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,480 Speaker 1: or things like that. Do you do you throw in 882 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 1: that type of thing into the mix too, just to 883 00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:19,080 Speaker 1: continue to sweeten the deal. Yeah? Absolutely, and I do 884 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 1: that more. Not even if I have a into your 885 00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: food pot, any tree stand, Um, you should immediately if 886 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:32,239 Speaker 1: you hang a tree stand, you have any um indication 887 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,360 Speaker 1: that you're going to leave that there for the you know, 888 00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,719 Speaker 1: the course of the entire year, you should you know, 889 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,480 Speaker 1: always try to create a mock scrape by it. There 890 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,120 Speaker 1: might no there might be a big scrape. They're already 891 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,040 Speaker 1: to where you can shoot to it. But um, I would. 892 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,480 Speaker 1: It's like a no brainer. Why not create a scrape 893 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,200 Speaker 1: out in front of your tree stand to where you 894 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,120 Speaker 1: can get a box to a particular spot right in 895 00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 1: front of you to get a clean shot. It just 896 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,200 Speaker 1: seems like elementary. But a lot of people don't take 897 00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,399 Speaker 1: the time to do this. And it's not that you're 898 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,360 Speaker 1: gonna make a mock scrape and you're gonna kill that 899 00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,920 Speaker 1: buck in there. I'm not saying that that's going to happen, 900 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,960 Speaker 1: but you know what, it can't hurt to try to 901 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,480 Speaker 1: mock scrape. And if they start using it, it becomes 902 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,440 Speaker 1: a calling cart. It really does. And we've done it 903 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:28,239 Speaker 1: very effectively. And really what we do is I'll go 904 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,160 Speaker 1: out in front of my tree stand and generally one 905 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,680 Speaker 1: or two spots in front of there, and I'll find 906 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:40,560 Speaker 1: um a tree, generally an oak tree or some sort 907 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,320 Speaker 1: of tree that's green and that they're not gonna trash 908 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,160 Speaker 1: up and be able to bust up really easy. I'll 909 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,400 Speaker 1: pull a branch down to where it's about six ft 910 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,480 Speaker 1: off the ground and maybe five and a half but 911 00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,120 Speaker 1: to where it's a perfect height form to rub their 912 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:03,320 Speaker 1: antlers in. I'll and wire it back. I'll of course 913 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,640 Speaker 1: wire it from the from the branch back to the 914 00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,040 Speaker 1: trunk of the tree, and I'll then you know, take 915 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,640 Speaker 1: a screw or whatever, and I'll put that wire on there. 916 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,839 Speaker 1: And I used to use a string and stuff like that, 917 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,040 Speaker 1: but the string would drought and they would bust it 918 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:23,200 Speaker 1: off and it doesn't stay permanently there. And now and 919 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,600 Speaker 1: then I clear all the debris underneath that branch, and 920 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,399 Speaker 1: I've used urine in there before to activate it. I've 921 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,680 Speaker 1: used none, but I definitely clear out the debris and 922 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:37,480 Speaker 1: bring that soil fresh and get all the rock and 923 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,960 Speaker 1: whatever else, sticks and logs, whatever the out of that area, 924 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:46,040 Speaker 1: so underneath that branch is just clear to dirt and beer. 925 00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,160 Speaker 1: Just naturally see those kind of branches and want to 926 00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,640 Speaker 1: start utilizing them, especially if they're in there anyways for food. 927 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,680 Speaker 1: For food source, there's gonna be bucks there. They're gonna 928 00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,560 Speaker 1: go to those overhanging branches and start using them and 929 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,640 Speaker 1: all automatically. But if there's no overhanging branch there, they 930 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,759 Speaker 1: ain't gonna they can't reach it. They're not going to 931 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,959 Speaker 1: make a scrape there. They're going to go to where 932 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,880 Speaker 1: they can make scrapes. So I create that calling cards, 933 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,560 Speaker 1: so to speak, and it works like a charm. And 934 00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,160 Speaker 1: every tree stand should have a moch spape in front 935 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,920 Speaker 1: of it that you plan on being in your shooting 936 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,160 Speaker 1: lane or being able to shoot to it. So it's 937 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,440 Speaker 1: like you can pull a deer in there. Just becomes 938 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,399 Speaker 1: you know, putting the odds more in your favors. So yeah, 939 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,440 Speaker 1: I mean we do make moch scapes and all of 940 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,360 Speaker 1: our you know, stand sets as well, and it works. 941 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,920 Speaker 1: It can work pretty effectively. Are there any other little 942 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,080 Speaker 1: tweaks like that that you make at most of your 943 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:46,239 Speaker 1: stand sites or other little habitat manipulations that make things better? 944 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,880 Speaker 1: Anything on those less well? And you know, depending on 945 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,239 Speaker 1: the laws in the state regulation obviously, you can add 946 00:54:54,719 --> 00:55:01,160 Speaker 1: mineral sites to your repertoire or calling card um, you know, 947 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,080 Speaker 1: to pull them in there for that bait stations or whatever. 948 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,920 Speaker 1: Just depends on the laws in your your state. Obviously 949 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:14,160 Speaker 1: in Minnesota you can't use that. Wisconsin you can. Um 950 00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,600 Speaker 1: just certain certain states allow a baiting and certain don't 951 00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,279 Speaker 1: but not that a big buck's gonna walk in there, 952 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,080 Speaker 1: but he might follow a doll that comes in there 953 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:26,760 Speaker 1: for that reason. Um, you know, I mean some people 954 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,480 Speaker 1: are of course anti bait. So you know it's not 955 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,360 Speaker 1: that you need to use that at all, um, but 956 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,520 Speaker 1: it all, it all helps if you can utilize, you know, 957 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,719 Speaker 1: making a deer come to your stand location for a 958 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,160 Speaker 1: particular reason. And I like these, like we build these 959 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:48,480 Speaker 1: into your food sources and their food plots in areas 960 00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,600 Speaker 1: that they really are staging areas and transition areas, you know, 961 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,760 Speaker 1: from the bed bedding area to more of a larger 962 00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:00,200 Speaker 1: food source that's maybe a larger agricultural feel. They are 963 00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,320 Speaker 1: a larger food source that they're gonna enter into later 964 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,440 Speaker 1: on after dark, you know, Um, they'll come out more 965 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,680 Speaker 1: of the open areas and start feeding in a much 966 00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:17,200 Speaker 1: bigger food source. But as they transition and as they stage, 967 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,680 Speaker 1: they come into that smaller sort you know, interior plot 968 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,840 Speaker 1: and it works, It works really good. So you know 969 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,680 Speaker 1: that's what we've done, and then you know, of course 970 00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,240 Speaker 1: it's it's worked well. I also hang, it's very important 971 00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,600 Speaker 1: to note that in those in those hunting areas, I 972 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:41,239 Speaker 1: have three different setups generally speaking, So if you go 973 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,920 Speaker 1: to my half acre food into your food plot right now, 974 00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,560 Speaker 1: you're going to see three different stand locations I have 975 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:52,400 Speaker 1: set up for filming, you know. So I'm gonna have 976 00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:57,520 Speaker 1: at least two stands, sometimes three stands in a tree um, 977 00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, because I take my kids sometimes they like 978 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,239 Speaker 1: sitting with me, so I have to have a stand 979 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,680 Speaker 1: for them as well. But I'll have I'll have two 980 00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,560 Speaker 1: tree stands set set up for bill hunting, um for 981 00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,600 Speaker 1: different winds. Um. I want to be able to go 982 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,200 Speaker 1: back there, and I want to be able to hunt 983 00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,800 Speaker 1: if it's a north wind or a northwest wind or something. 984 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,200 Speaker 1: I got a stand set up on one side of 985 00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:24,120 Speaker 1: the food plot, and then i'll have on the other side. Uh, 986 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,680 Speaker 1: it's set up for a different wind. Of course, I 987 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,960 Speaker 1: kind of know where they're coming from. Also, I know 988 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,400 Speaker 1: where the they're coming from, so I'm not wanting alarm 989 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,840 Speaker 1: them in that way. And I also put a blind, 990 00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:41,080 Speaker 1: permanent blind. And just in the last several years, permanent 991 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:45,520 Speaker 1: blinds have really become super effective for people that are 992 00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,640 Speaker 1: owning and you know, managing their properties. There they're setting 993 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,720 Speaker 1: a lot more core, so there's a lot more being 994 00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:57,120 Speaker 1: manufactured um out there. But now these we use a 995 00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:03,160 Speaker 1: blind that's made by Muddy and uh, it's just built beautiful. 996 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,840 Speaker 1: You know, it's like it's like as nice as your 997 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:10,720 Speaker 1: house inside. But it's very scent tight. Um. The window 998 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,800 Speaker 1: systems are very quiet. So now you can sit in 999 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,160 Speaker 1: there no matter what win you got and be able 1000 00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,080 Speaker 1: to hunt. And and we love to take the kids 1001 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:25,000 Speaker 1: really go there, um because now I can get you know, 1002 00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,600 Speaker 1: three or four people in these blinds comfortably, and we 1003 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:33,080 Speaker 1: can sit there comfortably. It's a much warmer hunting situation 1004 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,240 Speaker 1: for when it gets colder. They can move around a 1005 00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,760 Speaker 1: little bit. They're not like they're sitting in a tree 1006 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,680 Speaker 1: stan or you're gonna get picked off as much that, 1007 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,720 Speaker 1: you know, just a lot better hunting experience for the 1008 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:50,200 Speaker 1: youth and older people. It's much safer than crawling up 1009 00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:54,520 Speaker 1: and down a tree or a ladder stand. So permanent 1010 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:59,160 Speaker 1: blinds have really become more effective way to hunt now. 1011 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,200 Speaker 1: And you know a lot of people you can archie 1012 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,479 Speaker 1: hunt on them as well. I got into your plot. 1013 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,280 Speaker 1: I can shoot out of there just as easy with 1014 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,480 Speaker 1: bow as I can with with a firearm. But I 1015 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,880 Speaker 1: have each one of my interior plots, I have two 1016 00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:18,680 Speaker 1: or three setups on each for different different winds. How 1017 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,200 Speaker 1: often can you hunt an area like that with all 1018 00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,920 Speaker 1: you've got, all these different setups for different wind directions? 1019 00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:25,880 Speaker 1: How many times do you think you can get in 1020 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:31,000 Speaker 1: there and out without a mature buck adjusting? Well, if 1021 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,280 Speaker 1: I pay attention and not leave any scent on the 1022 00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:38,280 Speaker 1: ground as many times as I want um without tipping 1023 00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,360 Speaker 1: them off, I mean, if there, if I feel like 1024 00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,880 Speaker 1: I spook a deer, I'll give it some time to rest. 1025 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,280 Speaker 1: But if I don't ever spook a deer, I think 1026 00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,080 Speaker 1: you can go in there as many times as you want. 1027 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,479 Speaker 1: People sometimes get a little bit crazy on like, well, 1028 00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,240 Speaker 1: I went in there and hunted, you know, so I 1029 00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,760 Speaker 1: gotta give it a week's rest. If you leave scent, 1030 00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,200 Speaker 1: or you tip year off, or you spook here, I think, yeah, 1031 01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,160 Speaker 1: I definitely needs a rest, specially a particular buck that 1032 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:09,200 Speaker 1: you're after. If he busts you out of a stand, 1033 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,200 Speaker 1: you probably should change your tree stand because he probably 1034 01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:13,720 Speaker 1: is not going to walk in and let you shoot 1035 01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,720 Speaker 1: him out of that stand again unless he has to 1036 01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,840 Speaker 1: come there for a reason and he's pressure to come there. 1037 01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,960 Speaker 1: If it's the only food source and he's cold weather. 1038 01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,240 Speaker 1: He might walk in there again, but he might most 1039 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,120 Speaker 1: likely he's going to pay attention to your tree stand. 1040 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,000 Speaker 1: That goes with out saying. With any deer he hear 1041 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:35,840 Speaker 1: to bust you, it poses a future problem like an 1042 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,320 Speaker 1: old dough. If she sees that you're in that tree, 1043 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,360 Speaker 1: or she picks you out, she blows the whistle and 1044 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,120 Speaker 1: she figures out that tree stands there. You're in that tree. 1045 01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,480 Speaker 1: She's gonna check it for the next months when she 1046 01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,240 Speaker 1: walks in there, So walk down wind or she'll come 1047 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,120 Speaker 1: out to look. So sometimes you know, when you get 1048 01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,480 Speaker 1: picked off like that, you kind of you gotta change 1049 01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,520 Speaker 1: the locations. I'll lot of times I'll leave that stand 1050 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,600 Speaker 1: there and I won't pull it down. I'll declaim to 1051 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,440 Speaker 1: where they'll come out and they'll look at that standin 1052 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,720 Speaker 1: although I've seen it to where I moved my stand 1053 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,040 Speaker 1: twenty yards away from the other stand, and I watched 1054 01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,280 Speaker 1: deer walk right and looking at that standards. They walked 1055 01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,280 Speaker 1: all the way, and then I'm watching them. It's funnier 1056 01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,200 Speaker 1: than because you're you can read their mind. They're walking 1057 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,440 Speaker 1: and looking at that standard with nobody in it and 1058 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:28,080 Speaker 1: they're like, I don't see anybody, and they keep coming 1059 01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,600 Speaker 1: and they're like they ease in there. They're very cautious. 1060 01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,439 Speaker 1: But as they get in there, they're like nobody's there, 1061 01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,280 Speaker 1: and they're kind of like you can see almost their 1062 01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:43,560 Speaker 1: attitude change, you know, because they're just on edge. And 1063 01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,120 Speaker 1: then you're still sitting there and you're you're over in 1064 01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,080 Speaker 1: a different tree. You're laughing because you can read their minds. 1065 01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,320 Speaker 1: And but you know, I mean, we've done it. We've 1066 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,200 Speaker 1: decoyed deer um so many times in the past where 1067 01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,080 Speaker 1: you know, we'll put a like a big open field. 1068 01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,680 Speaker 1: We'll have deer come out in that field and you 1069 01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,280 Speaker 1: can't get them. You know, one day they might be 1070 01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,080 Speaker 1: on the one side, the next day they're on your side. 1071 01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,520 Speaker 1: So what we'll do is we'll take a permanent blind 1072 01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:15,920 Speaker 1: or something. We'll set it over there. Cars don't generally 1073 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,480 Speaker 1: work or vehicle because they don't pay much attention to 1074 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,280 Speaker 1: them to get curious. But a blind is a perfect thing, 1075 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,520 Speaker 1: something out of the ordinary. Set out there, and then 1076 01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,919 Speaker 1: they come out, they're like what's that and they won't 1077 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:28,800 Speaker 1: go over there. They'll come over your way though, and 1078 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:33,480 Speaker 1: here you're sitting over there. So yeah, it works good, 1079 01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:38,520 Speaker 1: works pretty good. UM. But yeah, you know, good question though, 1080 01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:42,520 Speaker 1: because a lot of people, like you know, how how 1081 01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:44,760 Speaker 1: much time should I give a stand, you know for 1082 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,280 Speaker 1: going in there and hunting. Some people don't have that luxury. 1083 01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,920 Speaker 1: They got one tree stand if you're bumping them or 1084 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,800 Speaker 1: you're putting pressure on them. And I'm also staying very 1085 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:58,760 Speaker 1: scent free. UM. I do use a product that a 1086 01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,880 Speaker 1: lot of people now that are in the white tailed 1087 01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:06,280 Speaker 1: world are using, and it it's very effective product. I 1088 01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,200 Speaker 1: think a lot of people have had great success. It's 1089 01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:16,280 Speaker 1: called nose jammer, and I'm sure you've heard of it. Um. 1090 01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:22,040 Speaker 1: It's a vanilla based product comes in an aerosol can. Uh. 1091 01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:27,000 Speaker 1: This product is basically a cover and um it also 1092 01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:31,200 Speaker 1: there's some product natural ingredient in it that helps kind 1093 01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:35,400 Speaker 1: of jam the senses smells a deer. Well. I started 1094 01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,800 Speaker 1: testing the stuff before I ever endorsed it, and I 1095 01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:42,240 Speaker 1: know the guy that's done it, and UM, I wanted 1096 01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,520 Speaker 1: to test the product by spraying it on my boots 1097 01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:50,040 Speaker 1: because you know, sometimes you'll get trailed in um, a 1098 01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,440 Speaker 1: deer will cut your trail from where you walked, and 1099 01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,720 Speaker 1: of course they trail you all the way to your tree. 1100 01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,880 Speaker 1: That happens quite often, especially with two of us. So 1101 01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,360 Speaker 1: we started spraying of stuff on our boots and then 1102 01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,040 Speaker 1: walking into our stands. And then I started watching deer 1103 01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:09,160 Speaker 1: that would cross her trail. And before we used it, 1104 01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,680 Speaker 1: you know, they would we probably spray keep on the 1105 01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,320 Speaker 1: scent free as possible, but they would trail and smell 1106 01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:20,440 Speaker 1: each weed and try to figure out where that person 1107 01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,320 Speaker 1: went and follow you almost to the base of your tree. 1108 01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:24,760 Speaker 1: And then if they do get to the base of 1109 01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,760 Speaker 1: your tree, they're gonna probably bust you because they're gonna 1110 01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,360 Speaker 1: eventually look up and see you. So that's always a 1111 01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,480 Speaker 1: big concern of mine. So I started spraying Nose You 1112 01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,840 Speaker 1: around my boots and I noticed when they cut the trail, 1113 01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,880 Speaker 1: now they might smell around her a little bit, but 1114 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,200 Speaker 1: there they continue on. It doesn't It's like, it doesn't, 1115 01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,280 Speaker 1: it doesn't become I'm not a human to them anymore. 1116 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,560 Speaker 1: So that's been a very effective product, and we also 1117 01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,920 Speaker 1: use it in the tree to help cover if I 1118 01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,880 Speaker 1: got if I got a really bad wind or swirling wind, 1119 01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,680 Speaker 1: I spray that on the you know, the bark and 1120 01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:02,080 Speaker 1: the leaves around me and it's very pleasant smelling, smells 1121 01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:06,240 Speaker 1: like you're in a bakery, but becomes cover and helps 1122 01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,120 Speaker 1: mask your sense. So I know that you've heard of it. 1123 01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,480 Speaker 1: I know a lot of big buck hunters that are 1124 01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,160 Speaker 1: using it and they're having a pretty good success. Yeah, 1125 01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,880 Speaker 1: I've definitely seen the same thing. I kind of approached 1126 01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,440 Speaker 1: it skeptically at first, but just like U saw it 1127 01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,800 Speaker 1: work time and time again. So it's definitely part of 1128 01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,960 Speaker 1: the repertoire now. Yeah, And you know, Vanilla is basically 1129 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,800 Speaker 1: and attracted a lot of people use you know, Vanilla 1130 01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,400 Speaker 1: tracks and um, I mean back in the old days 1131 01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,320 Speaker 1: we use Skunk here and fox here, and I remember 1132 01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,960 Speaker 1: all that stuff sent way for it. It was endless 1133 01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,200 Speaker 1: repertoire of cover sense and stuff like that. I mean, 1134 01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:48,480 Speaker 1: any years my stuff fell smell like fresh earth. Um. 1135 01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,600 Speaker 1: But now you know, I mean that's a that's a 1136 01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,320 Speaker 1: great product and one that I'm not afraid to put 1137 01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,960 Speaker 1: my name on for sure. Um, that works good to 1138 01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:01,040 Speaker 1: help mask and especially your booth walk in that's awesome. Yeah. 1139 01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,440 Speaker 1: So so final question for you, Pat. We talked a 1140 01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,920 Speaker 1: little bit earlier about how lots of times guys or 1141 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,760 Speaker 1: girls have a job where they can go you know, 1142 01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,360 Speaker 1: they only get like one week of vacation. Lots of 1143 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,800 Speaker 1: times they end up using that vacation during the rut. 1144 01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,240 Speaker 1: If you were going to give our listeners just like 1145 01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:23,280 Speaker 1: one core concept or piece of advice for really maximizing 1146 01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:27,320 Speaker 1: that hunt during the rut, what would that be? For 1147 01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,080 Speaker 1: one thing? Going to a good placed on You can't 1148 01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:35,600 Speaker 1: expect to kill a big deer if you're you know, 1149 01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,680 Speaker 1: like a boot you know, giant deer. If you're gonna 1150 01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,840 Speaker 1: hunt m p A in a high pressure area, you know, hey, 1151 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna use Michigan this example. I hate to do that, 1152 01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,320 Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, you know, you've got a much 1153 01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,960 Speaker 1: better chance of killing a big deer in Kansas or Ioware, 1154 01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,080 Speaker 1: Illinois than you do in Michigan. I'm just telling you, 1155 01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,720 Speaker 1: so you gotta hunt where the deer are. That's pretty elementary, 1156 01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,480 Speaker 1: but I get it. I mean, you know, there's a 1157 01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,600 Speaker 1: lot of people who don't have that opportunity or don't 1158 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,680 Speaker 1: have that time or money or whatever. It's not Sometimes 1159 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,840 Speaker 1: you can figure out ways to get there pretty economically. 1160 01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,080 Speaker 1: You don't have to go on a fully guided hunt. 1161 01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:17,600 Speaker 1: But um, planning that vacation time is very important because 1162 01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:19,920 Speaker 1: that's going to put the odds in your favor, and 1163 01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,880 Speaker 1: that's been trickiest part for us. UM. But I would 1164 01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:30,120 Speaker 1: never try to plan my hunt for the very peak 1165 01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:34,760 Speaker 1: of the rut um to where you're hitting the lockdown phase, 1166 01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:38,360 Speaker 1: because that can get very frustrating to shoot big mature dear. 1167 01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,040 Speaker 1: You're gonna see mature immature dear all over the place, 1168 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:46,360 Speaker 1: but those big giant deer get with does and that 1169 01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:50,320 Speaker 1: can be very frustrating because then they go lockdown with them, 1170 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:55,280 Speaker 1: and they're gonna be with them, does you know for 1171 01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,880 Speaker 1: of course a two or three days before they breed 1172 01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:59,880 Speaker 1: them and then they finally get sick and we move 1173 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,720 Speaker 1: on and we'll try to find another goal. And then 1174 01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,680 Speaker 1: generally they can pick up a hot door pretty quick 1175 01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:09,400 Speaker 1: and lockdown with her. So it's tough. Um. A lot 1176 01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:13,280 Speaker 1: of people like hunting that stage or that, and myself 1177 01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:18,759 Speaker 1: is included, like trying to find that little the window 1178 01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:22,160 Speaker 1: of opportunity right prior to that peaker rot, in that 1179 01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:25,439 Speaker 1: pre rot period to where them big box are now 1180 01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,920 Speaker 1: on their feet searching, but they still haven't picked up 1181 01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,960 Speaker 1: a hot dough and they're moving there. I mean basically 1182 01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:37,040 Speaker 1: their movements in daylight hours are giving them the exposures 1183 01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,719 Speaker 1: that you need to kill them and be in those 1184 01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:44,200 Speaker 1: hunting situations. So travel corridors, pinch points areas that these 1185 01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,920 Speaker 1: box are going to be on, traveling through betting areas, 1186 01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:52,679 Speaker 1: stuff like that can really you know, up your odds UM. 1187 01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:57,640 Speaker 1: But you know, in each state it definitely differs. Like 1188 01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:01,400 Speaker 1: in Minnesota, you want to be here, you're that latter 1189 01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:06,360 Speaker 1: week of October leading into the Halloween period because they're 1190 01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,160 Speaker 1: really peak of the ruts in that first week in 1191 01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:12,720 Speaker 1: November period UM, And it's about one week later in 1192 01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:17,519 Speaker 1: Iowa and in Illinois and about a week later in Kansas. 1193 01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,439 Speaker 1: So kind of each state there's a little bit different. 1194 01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:25,240 Speaker 1: But talking to people that hunt there and talking to 1195 01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:29,280 Speaker 1: you know, people that know are you know, they can 1196 01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,799 Speaker 1: give you those kind of dates and when that happens, 1197 01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:36,400 Speaker 1: um and when that peak is and just those days 1198 01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,719 Speaker 1: leading into that period are really the bouma best times 1199 01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:44,639 Speaker 1: to be there before that rout gets into that lockdown phase. 1200 01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:48,360 Speaker 1: That's my that's my best advice. And obviously going to 1201 01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:52,400 Speaker 1: those areas that yeah, I'll give you that opportunity. UM 1202 01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:56,519 Speaker 1: calling works very good during that period. You know, rattling 1203 01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:01,479 Speaker 1: running blank calling Can again called big Buck in because 1204 01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:03,120 Speaker 1: he saw all of a sudden thinking, oh my god, 1205 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,080 Speaker 1: there's two big Bucks over there and they're going at 1206 01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:10,160 Speaker 1: it because they got a hot doll pinned down, and 1207 01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:13,320 Speaker 1: now the other big box like I'm going there because 1208 01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:18,120 Speaker 1: they're fighting for a reason. So very effective way of calling. 1209 01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,479 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, just every time I ever hear 1210 01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,240 Speaker 1: any of our guests start talking about that type of 1211 01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,800 Speaker 1: moment where you're rattling and the big boy comes in, 1212 01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,120 Speaker 1: that just gets me fired up and ready for November. 1213 01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:36,720 Speaker 1: So I am ready. Yeah, I mean it comes like 1214 01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,759 Speaker 1: a freight train and that's gone in in an instant. 1215 01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:44,840 Speaker 1: So that's what I find the most frustrating is you know, 1216 01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:48,599 Speaker 1: hitting that shirt wood and window and and then I 1217 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:52,120 Speaker 1: always am more frustrated when mother nature throws you a 1218 01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,600 Speaker 1: curveball and it's like excessively warm and it kills a 1219 01:10:55,680 --> 01:11:01,200 Speaker 1: rut runt time and yeah, just GE's so it's so 1220 01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,760 Speaker 1: mad when if you if you got a full moon 1221 01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,639 Speaker 1: period and you've got warm conditions and it pushes everything 1222 01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,759 Speaker 1: in a nighttime movement, and then you got a gesture 1223 01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:11,800 Speaker 1: of strategy, you know, I mean, if I got a 1224 01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:16,400 Speaker 1: full moon period and warm days. I'm hunting in during 1225 01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:22,439 Speaker 1: that that good time. I'll hunt late mornings, um because 1226 01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,960 Speaker 1: deer generally bettered by a first light because they've been rolling. 1227 01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,680 Speaker 1: I'll buck aleay there for a while kind of you know, 1228 01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,200 Speaker 1: and then he'll get up and he'll start moving. And 1229 01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,680 Speaker 1: that's when we nail these water holes. Because now it's 1230 01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:38,280 Speaker 1: warm out, they're dehydrated, their thirsty. So guess what the 1231 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,080 Speaker 1: first place they do is they go to the water 1232 01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,479 Speaker 1: hole for one thing, they got a cool down and 1233 01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:44,600 Speaker 1: they got to get a drink. But they also know 1234 01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,799 Speaker 1: those go there, so they'll send check that area as well. 1235 01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:53,320 Speaker 1: So water holes in those situations are super super effective 1236 01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:56,760 Speaker 1: for those kind of periods of time. And and we've 1237 01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:01,400 Speaker 1: had tremendous luck, you know, shooting some big beer. You know, 1238 01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,799 Speaker 1: you just never know when you get thrown a curveball. 1239 01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:08,800 Speaker 1: And mother nature always seems like late season. You're you're 1240 01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,280 Speaker 1: fired up because you got a late season muzzleloader tag 1241 01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,920 Speaker 1: in your pocket. For Iowa, it takes three or four 1242 01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,479 Speaker 1: years of draw and you're like, all we need is snow, 1243 01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,880 Speaker 1: and it's like never never snow and cold temperatures. It's 1244 01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:23,479 Speaker 1: like you might get one day, but now all of 1245 01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:25,680 Speaker 1: a sudden it's Christmas and you spend time at home 1246 01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,080 Speaker 1: with your family, and by the time you get ready 1247 01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:29,880 Speaker 1: to go back to Iowa, it's warmed up the fifty 1248 01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,200 Speaker 1: degrees and you've got southeast winds or east winds, and 1249 01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,360 Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, no, dear, no mature dear 1250 01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:40,960 Speaker 1: movement to food sources. So so much does depend on 1251 01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:45,360 Speaker 1: that weather, that's for sure. Can you, super quick just 1252 01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,559 Speaker 1: elaborate a little bit on your thoughts on the moon there? 1253 01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,519 Speaker 1: You mentioned this sounds like with a full moon you're 1254 01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,720 Speaker 1: seeing less daylight activity. Maybe, but can you just meant, 1255 01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,120 Speaker 1: can you explain a little bit more about how you 1256 01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,599 Speaker 1: see the moon impacting dear movement, whether it be during 1257 01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,360 Speaker 1: the rout or anytime of the year. Well, and and 1258 01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,240 Speaker 1: it definitely does affect it. I mean no doubt it 1259 01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:05,800 Speaker 1: affects everything. In affect that our bear hunt this last week. 1260 01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:10,719 Speaker 1: Full moon periods are a tough periods to hunt because 1261 01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:14,160 Speaker 1: it just makes dear more nocturnal and dear feet up 1262 01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,040 Speaker 1: night time. You know, it's generally cooler in the evenings 1263 01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:22,200 Speaker 1: and stuff. So um, I mean, we gotta hunt, that's 1264 01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,240 Speaker 1: what we do. So full moon or not full moon. 1265 01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,360 Speaker 1: You know we gotta be in the woods. But we 1266 01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:31,640 Speaker 1: see definitely a difference in activity during daylight hours when 1267 01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:36,640 Speaker 1: there's full moon. Um. Now moon positioning or you know, 1268 01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,800 Speaker 1: where the moon is in relationship to the Earth is 1269 01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,920 Speaker 1: much different situation. There's kind of two different things. There's 1270 01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,400 Speaker 1: a phase and then then you know the moon position 1271 01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:51,000 Speaker 1: to the Earth, which makes dear animal movement different too. 1272 01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:56,200 Speaker 1: So generally when moon is overhead or underfoot, the peak 1273 01:13:56,280 --> 01:14:00,200 Speaker 1: movement periods and that's you know, time to be out 1274 01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:04,920 Speaker 1: there and of course hunting, um, that's when we pay 1275 01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:09,320 Speaker 1: attention to peak activity periods. And you know fishermen do 1276 01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,559 Speaker 1: the same thing as well as other types of hunters. 1277 01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:18,000 Speaker 1: But um for moon phases, you know, full moon periods 1278 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,759 Speaker 1: generally four or five days after the moon is waning 1279 01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:25,120 Speaker 1: where it's going to starting to go away. It's generally 1280 01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,599 Speaker 1: you know when you're going to start to see an 1281 01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:33,200 Speaker 1: increase in activity and dear movement. And you know, the 1282 01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:36,360 Speaker 1: full moon is a tough one in some instances. But 1283 01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:39,479 Speaker 1: then at we have a full moon period, especially in 1284 01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:45,040 Speaker 1: that rout rut time PREI rout time, we'll hunt won't 1285 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:48,360 Speaker 1: generally be out there at day at you know, first 1286 01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:52,519 Speaker 1: light will back off our hunt to a ladder morning 1287 01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:57,599 Speaker 1: set versus an early morning set, So knowing that them 1288 01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,000 Speaker 1: deer will probably be are bedded down for a period 1289 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,559 Speaker 1: of time before they get up and move around. We're 1290 01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,240 Speaker 1: generally starting around nine o'clock in the morning. They'll move 1291 01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:07,800 Speaker 1: you know, tell eleven or twelve and then rebad for 1292 01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:12,439 Speaker 1: the heat of the day. So interesting, very interesting. The 1293 01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:15,519 Speaker 1: moon is always one of those things that is always 1294 01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,800 Speaker 1: kind of fascinating because there's a lot, like you mentioned, 1295 01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,439 Speaker 1: there's lots of different theories and different aspects of the 1296 01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,760 Speaker 1: moon that might influence deer movement and um trying to 1297 01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,240 Speaker 1: paint all that down and figure out ways to apply 1298 01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,599 Speaker 1: that to your hunting strategy. That's that's one of those 1299 01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:30,760 Speaker 1: things that I always get kind of a kick out 1300 01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,280 Speaker 1: of his figuring out how that piece of the puzzle 1301 01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:37,280 Speaker 1: fits into the larger scheme of things. Yeah, it's it is. 1302 01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:41,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it all goes together. You got 1303 01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:45,400 Speaker 1: i know, people that just won't go and lots of 1304 01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,519 Speaker 1: the moon's activity charts, so it's a good time to hunt. 1305 01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,519 Speaker 1: Over the years we paid attention to it. I mean, 1306 01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:56,000 Speaker 1: it it does have a little bit of impact. Adam Hayes, 1307 01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,720 Speaker 1: he's a guy I don't know. Adam Is he's a 1308 01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:04,400 Speaker 1: guy that hunter percent only hunts by the moon. And yeah, 1309 01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:08,200 Speaker 1: he paid very close attention to that where that moon 1310 01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:12,360 Speaker 1: position is um and that kind of bases his hunting 1311 01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:16,320 Speaker 1: off of that. So you know, I know that a 1312 01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,280 Speaker 1: lot of people both in our instance, I mean, we're 1313 01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:24,360 Speaker 1: out there regardless of the moon position or phase whatever. 1314 01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,200 Speaker 1: We've just got to be out there every day because 1315 01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:32,280 Speaker 1: you never know. When you know, something happens, I mean 1316 01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,559 Speaker 1: and the deer moves your way or in a particular animal. 1317 01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,519 Speaker 1: You know another thing too. It's kind of important to mention. 1318 01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:44,840 Speaker 1: I mean, when white tail hunting gets kind of poor 1319 01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:48,360 Speaker 1: or lulled out, we we might change and we might 1320 01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:52,240 Speaker 1: go to a place that doesn't have it. Like, uh, 1321 01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:56,080 Speaker 1: we do a lot of hunting before hunting gets gets 1322 01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:59,160 Speaker 1: so we don't we don't burn our spots out by 1323 01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:03,920 Speaker 1: over hunting um um too much and not putting your 1324 01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,320 Speaker 1: pressure until the time is right to go in there. 1325 01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,479 Speaker 1: So we'll go to Canada and we'll hunt there for 1326 01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:14,839 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. Well, there, their deer acts much different. 1327 01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:19,640 Speaker 1: They don't lull out as much there. Um, they're in 1328 01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:23,320 Speaker 1: a whole different situation up there. So we'll spend time 1329 01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:25,559 Speaker 1: hunting there for a couple of weeks and then come 1330 01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,439 Speaker 1: back here to the Midwest. Want just when they're hunting 1331 01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,639 Speaker 1: really picks up and starts to get good, when deer 1332 01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,960 Speaker 1: really start hitting the ground. And you know, I mean 1333 01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,639 Speaker 1: it's no secret that you can drive down you can 1334 01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:41,040 Speaker 1: start driving the highways and start seeing when deer activity 1335 01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:43,040 Speaker 1: picks up because the amount of road kills that are 1336 01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:46,920 Speaker 1: laying on along the roads, and um, you know, you 1337 01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:51,080 Speaker 1: can almost sense the time that that happens. So yeah, 1338 01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:55,800 Speaker 1: you can. It's definitely a very visual indicator. Yeah you 1339 01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,840 Speaker 1: see it. And you're like, time to get into a tree? Yeah, back, Like, 1340 01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,439 Speaker 1: and I guess with all that said, Pat, we've we've 1341 01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:04,400 Speaker 1: kept you here a long time, and I imagine you've 1342 01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:07,200 Speaker 1: probably got a tree to climb up into here, maybe 1343 01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,880 Speaker 1: today or in a couple of days. So I'll be 1344 01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,080 Speaker 1: in a tree later. I'll be like I said I earlier, 1345 01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:17,400 Speaker 1: I said, we're Um. Jeff Janice, who is the receiver 1346 01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,760 Speaker 1: for the Packers, has a bye week this week, so 1347 01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:23,320 Speaker 1: we talk about limitations. If you're an NFL player right now, 1348 01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,599 Speaker 1: you have a pretty limited time to be out there 1349 01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,479 Speaker 1: hunting in the course of the football schedule. So he's 1350 01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:32,160 Speaker 1: the Packers have a bye week this week, so I'm 1351 01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:35,559 Speaker 1: jumping in the tree with him tonight filming him and 1352 01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,360 Speaker 1: we're over at We're gonna be hunting at Tom's and Bluffo, 1353 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:42,840 Speaker 1: Buffalo County there at Bluff Country Officers and hopefully we 1354 01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:46,000 Speaker 1: can see something. Last night, it was it was a 1355 01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,320 Speaker 1: good night, but then it started getting really windy and 1356 01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:51,120 Speaker 1: it rained. We had a front move through and it 1357 01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,439 Speaker 1: killed it. It was it started up good, we started 1358 01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,519 Speaker 1: seeing some movement, and all of a sudden, the heavy 1359 01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,719 Speaker 1: rains came and it just kind of shut things down. 1360 01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:02,800 Speaker 1: And I think tonight it isn't raining. It got a 1361 01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,760 Speaker 1: little pressure in, and no, the next a couple of 1362 01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,080 Speaker 1: days should be pretty good because high pressure is going 1363 01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,880 Speaker 1: to be moving in and it's gonna be cool and 1364 01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,400 Speaker 1: those kind of things. You know, we didn't talk really 1365 01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:18,040 Speaker 1: about pressure systems, but I talked about the druries and 1366 01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:21,080 Speaker 1: they're guys that really pay attention to high pressures. And 1367 01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,880 Speaker 1: you know, when lows leave and high start coming in, 1368 01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,840 Speaker 1: them guys are in the woods and you know, it's 1369 01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:31,720 Speaker 1: just you know, like us humans. I mean, when we 1370 01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:35,840 Speaker 1: get a nice sunny day, we feel good and dry 1371 01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:39,360 Speaker 1: air comes in, amidity leaves were we're gonna want to 1372 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,320 Speaker 1: go outside. Well, dear the same way, and they want 1373 01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,639 Speaker 1: to move and get up and feed and feel good 1374 01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:48,200 Speaker 1: about it. Um. Those are the times to kind of 1375 01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,880 Speaker 1: especially if you've had a period of low pressure, you know, 1376 01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:55,000 Speaker 1: damp human and then all of a sudden, high pressure 1377 01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,600 Speaker 1: moves in. That's the time to really be out there 1378 01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,000 Speaker 1: because you're gonna see a good, real good deer movement. 1379 01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,000 Speaker 1: Well that's exciting to hear that that's rolling in for 1380 01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:06,360 Speaker 1: you guys. Yeah, I've got a few more days till 1381 01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,200 Speaker 1: our opening day, four more days for me, so hopefully 1382 01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:11,280 Speaker 1: we'll be able to catch some of that decent movement 1383 01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,240 Speaker 1: here too. And man, Pat, I wish you the best 1384 01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:16,400 Speaker 1: of luck and really appreciate you spend some time with us. 1385 01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:21,000 Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry about the little technical glitches, but yeah, 1386 01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,960 Speaker 1: it was fun. And good luck to you this year. 1387 01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,840 Speaker 1: I hope you shoot some giants, and good luck to 1388 01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,439 Speaker 1: everybody else out there. I hope and hope to see 1389 01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:33,640 Speaker 1: some photos and hear some stories to everybody, you know, 1390 01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:37,000 Speaker 1: everybody can go to our you know, social media pages, 1391 01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:40,960 Speaker 1: whether it's hashtake Hunter or Driven with Pat Nicole, Send 1392 01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,200 Speaker 1: us some photos, send us your stories. We love to 1393 01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,920 Speaker 1: love to see them for sure. Yeah, absolutely, And can 1394 01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,439 Speaker 1: you remind us again where can we watch the most 1395 01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:53,799 Speaker 1: recent episodes of your shows. You can watch Driven every 1396 01:20:53,840 --> 01:21:01,760 Speaker 1: Tuesday night, central nine Eastern on Outdoor Channel, and then 1397 01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:05,320 Speaker 1: you can also watch Hatch Hashtag Hunter, which is on 1398 01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:10,120 Speaker 1: the Sportsman's Channel and it's on every Saturday night at 1399 01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:14,920 Speaker 1: eight so thirty both times Saturday nights and Tuesday nights 1400 01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:20,440 Speaker 1: Tuesday night for Driven Hashtag Hunter Saturday night. So yeah, um, 1401 01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:23,080 Speaker 1: we gotta We have a great year of lineup of 1402 01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:25,000 Speaker 1: shows and of course a lot of big deer hitting 1403 01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:28,160 Speaker 1: the ground. So awesome. Well, I'll be sure to check 1404 01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:29,960 Speaker 1: it out and we'll make sure to include all those 1405 01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:33,479 Speaker 1: things in the blog post notes too, So great stuff, Pat, 1406 01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:36,479 Speaker 1: thanks again, and uh hope to hear some good stories 1407 01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:39,519 Speaker 1: from you soon. All right, same here, thank you sir. 1408 01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,880 Speaker 1: All right, and with that we will wrap this episode 1409 01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,600 Speaker 1: up and before shut things down, though, we need to 1410 01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,640 Speaker 1: thank our partners who helped make this podcast possible so 1411 01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:54,160 Speaker 1: big thanks to sit Gear, Redneck Blinds huntera Maps, Yettie 1412 01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:58,200 Speaker 1: Cooler's Ozonics, Carbon Express, maybeon Optics, and the white Tail 1413 01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,960 Speaker 1: Institute of North America. And finally, thank you all for 1414 01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:04,400 Speaker 1: joining us today. I hope you're hunting season is going 1415 01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,960 Speaker 1: as well as you'd hoped and dreamed it would. And 1416 01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:12,160 Speaker 1: until next time, stay Wired to Hunt, m