Speaker 1: My grandma and your grandma was witten by the fire.
Speaker 1: My grandma to your grandma. I'm gonna say, find you're
Speaker 1: talking about Hina. I like, go on day Jagamo jam
Speaker 1: ding Dong. Hello everybody, this is the Last Culture Restas Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm met Roger and yes we are less culture Resta does.
Speaker 1: What that means is we are your culture consultants. We
Speaker 1: are out here to improve culture. We're here to heighten culture.
Speaker 1: We're here to talk about the big cultural events that
Speaker 1: you see happening on your television screens, on your laptops,
Speaker 1: on your mobile phones, on so many we're in a
Speaker 1: three screen world. Yeah, let me tell you. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you. And look, um Matt put this very eloquently,
Speaker 1: uh a few moments ago, but off the off the rack,
Speaker 1: he said, we're going to attack culture. We're going to
Speaker 1: improve culture, and we're going to irrigate what we're this
Speaker 1: attack on your sentences right now. What this is is
Speaker 1: Matt and Bowen's Last Cultures Podcast. What we're doing is
Speaker 1: we're talking about big things that you've seen, like the Grammys,
Speaker 1: the Oscar Bowl, super Bowl, maybe some debates happening election season.
Speaker 1: We're talking about big big, big gass events that you're
Speaker 1: all talking about, we're talking about them too. And let
Speaker 1: me tell you, we've got notes. We've got notes, honey,
Speaker 1: We've got some feedback that is constructive and sometimes destructive. Absolutely, honey.
Speaker 1: We are not limiting this to events either. We are
Speaker 1: going after some cultural institutions like today, We're really coming
Speaker 1: for the music industry, honey. The music industry is a monolith,
Speaker 1: and we're not afraid. I'm not afraid to speak truth
Speaker 1: to power. I'm gonna speak truth to power. And in
Speaker 1: this case, I guess the power is every performer that's
Speaker 1: that dared step on that stage. Where was the g
Speaker 1: the Staples Center? Okay, that's you know, that's capitalism right there. Capitalist.
Speaker 1: You know what, I think it's getting a little confused.
Speaker 1: I think big I think big music is in the hand,
Speaker 1: is in the pocket of Big Staples. Absolutely, Big Staples
Speaker 1: is really what needs to come crashing down. Honey. You're
Speaker 1: talking about a revolution. This is a revolution. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about a staple list America. Absolutely, I'm talking we go
Speaker 1: totally paperless. I'm talking about that was easy, not even
Speaker 1: being a sentence that's acceptable in our on our society
Speaker 1: and our culture. Yere, I say, I think that what
Speaker 1: we're trying to do here with this really movement. But
Speaker 1: that is less culture is this is we're just trying
Speaker 1: to bring our expertise because we are cultural experts. We
Speaker 1: are experts. Could we back that up? Not now? Not? Now?
Speaker 1: You know what? This isn't the time for credentials. This
Speaker 1: is the time for real actionable talk. And look, you
Speaker 1: know we're going to apply our very own signature, um
Speaker 1: Si manature uh spin on new criticism, new critique, newcrypt
Speaker 1: onto cultural relics. We did start comment culture, comment culture.
Speaker 1: A lot of people think that American Idol started comment culture.
Speaker 1: Listen for those of you who don't know what that
Speaker 1: combination of words is, comment culture is. We're steeped in
Speaker 1: it today, but this is just a label for it.
Speaker 1: That is very apt because everyone thinks they have something
Speaker 1: to say. Yeah, everyone thinks they have something to say,
Speaker 1: and you know what, they don't. They don't, but we do.
Speaker 1: We do what qualifies us stuff I'm gonna say and
Speaker 1: be heard later later, later, later, But first, let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. Okay, let me tell you where. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you something, honey, about what we're dressed like
Speaker 1: right now, honey, we are rocking some hats, some brim
Speaker 1: some brim hats your studio for your nerves. And that's
Speaker 1: how you create culture. Okay, you make you take a
Speaker 1: big choice, and then you make it work. No one
Speaker 1: else to make these hats work. Lesson but again lesson
Speaker 1: two seven the less cultu resd us. You make a
Speaker 1: big choice, make a big choice, you make it work.
Speaker 1: You make it work. Costume is culture, costume sculpture absolutely, guys.
Speaker 1: I also want to point out that a big part
Speaker 1: of Last Culture Race thus and a big part of
Speaker 1: you know, these cultural events, we're talking about merch merch
Speaker 1: al right, by the end of every episode of Last
Speaker 1: Culture Race says we're going to have an exclusive merchandise item,
Speaker 1: item that you can purchase. That's that's how you become
Speaker 1: a part of culture. Is commerce commerce commerce. And listen,
Speaker 1: we talked about staples earlier being you know, this fount
Speaker 1: of capitalism. We are doing this on a small business,
Speaker 1: grassroots scale. These items are only going to be um,
Speaker 1: They're only gonna be five or less or less depending
Speaker 1: on the item. Thinking. Yeah, because sometimes we let's just say,
Speaker 1: sometimes we don't even know what the item is exactly right.
Speaker 1: Honest to god, we don't know what this first piece
Speaker 1: of merchancy, but that's part of creating. Culture is part
Speaker 1: of creating and by the end of this podcast episode today, yes,
Speaker 1: you will have a Grammy related piece of merch that
Speaker 1: you you the last Culture says, listener can buy, yes,
Speaker 1: and you can wear it. You could maybe listen to it.
Speaker 1: Who knows, we don't. You can hold your beer in
Speaker 1: it if it's a couzy. If you know what, if
Speaker 1: it's a couzy, you could hold your beer in it
Speaker 1: and guess what it would keep your beer a little
Speaker 1: bit colder than it would have been. Exactly it would
Speaker 1: It would insulate because that's what a cozy does. That's
Speaker 1: what a couzy does. That's what culture does for you.
Speaker 1: Is it's it's keeps a cold, pragmatic keeps a cold.
Speaker 1: Honey less than two seven keeps it cold, keeps it
Speaker 1: And look, we have to emphasize the limited inventory, the
Speaker 1: limited stock. These are collectible items, just like any piece
Speaker 1: of culture. It is a rare honey. Culture is rare.
Speaker 1: It's hard to come by. I just want to say,
Speaker 1: I just want to say, you know, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people are going to be listening to this
Speaker 1: and saying, is this negative? No, honey, no, because we've
Speaker 1: earned our spot. How do we earn it later? Later?
Speaker 1: But we are speaking with authority here, and I want
Speaker 1: to say again today's episode, we're coming for the music
Speaker 1: industry because we saw it in full display with the
Speaker 1: Grammy Awards. We've now had a few weeks to digest
Speaker 1: these Grammys. Honey, let's get into it. Let's get into
Speaker 1: it right now. So the main event and every episode
Speaker 1: we're gonna be telling a main event, our main event,
Speaker 1: annual Grammy Awards. Now, Bond, we can tell us a
Speaker 1: little bit about what the Grammy Awards say they want
Speaker 1: to do. What is it? Let's let's look up the
Speaker 1: Grammy Awards. You're gonna look it up. I'm gonna look
Speaker 1: it up. I'm gonna pull up the you know, the mission,
Speaker 1: pull up the mission statement of the Grammy Awards, because
Speaker 1: I want to know, is it to honor excellence in music?
Speaker 1: Because we could debate that. We'll get this, man, Okay,
Speaker 1: tell me this is this is I'm reading off of
Speaker 1: this Wikipedia article. Thank you. A Grammy Award originally called
Speaker 1: a Gramophone Award. All right, well, we're already that's huge
Speaker 1: that you have to think of a good name for
Speaker 1: what you're what what you're given out America is not
Speaker 1: going to be able to say the word grammophone. No,
Speaker 1: not in Middle America. They can't say grandmophone. I don't know.
Speaker 1: We're already bastardizing art for the sake of what accessibility.
Speaker 1: So you would say that you would prefer I would
Speaker 1: love to have some authenticity to this. I think we've
Speaker 1: lost that over the years. Okay, I guess I have
Speaker 1: a counterpoint here. Please. I think grammy, I think A.
Speaker 1: It's easier to say, and I do want everyone to
Speaker 1: be included in culture. And I think b it reminds
Speaker 1: me of my grandmother culture. Oh well, that's very sweet.
Speaker 1: Gives me a warm thought. Did your grandmother like music?
Speaker 1: She likes music. She's with us, both of them are.
Speaker 1: I don't know what she likes. Actually, I've never I never.
Speaker 1: I don't know what her type of music that she
Speaker 1: likes is, but I'm sure she enjoys it. I think
Speaker 1: your grandmother is a cipher, she's a zero. I would
Speaker 1: say she doesn't like hip hop. Okay, well, she should
Speaker 1: open her mind because we're going to get to this later.
Speaker 1: But there were some seminal hip hop performances at the Grammys.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I mean, i'd say those are the highlights,
Speaker 1: back to back hip hop performances that I think, we're
Speaker 1: just really incredible, astounding. So you know, we got the Grammys. Okay,
Speaker 1: the old term the Gramma face. Shall I read on please? Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to know about what they're striving to write.
Speaker 1: A Grammy is an accolade by the National Academy of
Speaker 1: Recording Arts and Sciences and are an a r a
Speaker 1: S of the United States. So this is kind of
Speaker 1: localized to America, although there are many international artists that
Speaker 1: are honored. Many international categories absolutely to recognize outstanding achievement
Speaker 1: in the mainly English language music industry. Okay, wow. The
Speaker 1: annual presentation ceremony features performances by prominent artists and the
Speaker 1: presentation of those awards that have a more popular interest. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's you know, so we all are admitting here
Speaker 1: that it's a populist moment, that it's a populist contest,
Speaker 1: and I think that really reads I think so, I
Speaker 1: mean people get up in arms about well, you know what.
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes the Awards just are all over the place.
Speaker 1: Last year, you wandered back over pay and who I
Speaker 1: what do we think about that? About Back? He's a scientologist.
Speaker 1: I can't get behind that. You know what he is?
Speaker 1: That's that is true, and I cannot get behind that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Well, I can't get behind that. Beyonce didn't
Speaker 1: win Best Album that album I like. Beyonce did give
Speaker 1: out Record of the Years to Bruno Mars Uptown Funk,
Speaker 1: which you know what, sure, I'll give it that. It
Speaker 1: was the Record of the year, Yes, but what but
Speaker 1: what was your record of the year? What was your
Speaker 1: favorite song of two thousand fifteen? Oh my god, this
Speaker 1: is going to be mind you the rules for the Grammys,
Speaker 1: which are so everything. This is the edge eligibility period
Speaker 1: September two to September or something like that, the calendar
Speaker 1: year that ends on September. Yes, yes, so that's why
Speaker 1: it gets a little weird, like Hello by Adele despite
Speaker 1: you know, being pretty much the song of Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it'll be eligible next year. Are you asking me what
Speaker 1: if in two thousand fifty that later part of two
Speaker 1: four teen, what's the song? What's the record of the year?
Speaker 1: Not even the nominees. Just of any song, what was
Speaker 1: your favorite song? I'll do both. Um, I'll do both.
Speaker 1: So talk about the nominees. Give the list of the nominees.
Speaker 1: Here the nominees I'm presenting. Um, yeah, you're right, all right, honey.
Speaker 1: Record of the Year, we have Uptown Funk Really Love
Speaker 1: by D'Angelo and the Vanguard. I love that D'Angelo. I
Speaker 1: don't know that song that will be really really good. Um,
Speaker 1: thinking out loud at Sharon, blank space, can't feel my face? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean for me, it's blank Space. It's blank Space.
Speaker 1: What a great what a perfect pop song? Isn't that?
Speaker 1: Doesn't that suck though? Any like of course we're gonna
Speaker 1: say it's blank Space. It was everywhere. It was everywhere,
Speaker 1: And honestly, like it's whatever you think about Taylor, Like
Speaker 1: I'm so hot and I'm so back and forth on Taylor,
Speaker 1: but that song is it's amazing fire. My boyfriend doesn't
Speaker 1: like it. He thinks it's basic. I'm like, how could
Speaker 1: you think this is basic on any level? And he's
Speaker 1: a musician, so it's like, I don't think compositionally it's
Speaker 1: that basic. I think content wise in terms of the lyrics,
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clever. It's very clever. She's got
Speaker 1: she's not even she's like she's always been a pretty
Speaker 1: decent lyricist, but like this is something that she felt
Speaker 1: like she had to address, like all these this persona
Speaker 1: that's been crafted around her when actually succeeded in taking
Speaker 1: the conversation back, Oh my god, she's What I like
Speaker 1: about it is it's a character based sketch. The sketch
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? It feels like And actually
Speaker 1: Bowen and I um both write and performed sketch comedy
Speaker 1: here in New York for those of us who don't know, Um,
Speaker 1: we create culture, but I sometimes will teach um workshops
Speaker 1: on you know, sketch comedy and also sketch comedy music.
Speaker 1: Because Bowen and I are part of a musical sketch
Speaker 1: group called Popularlette. We kind of use pop music songwriting
Speaker 1: and sketch comedies culture use culture in that way. Um,
Speaker 1: this is like so basically what I'm saying is sometimes
Speaker 1: I want to show that song because it almost is
Speaker 1: like a comedy song because do you know, it has
Speaker 1: a point of view and it's humorous, like and there's
Speaker 1: an unusual thing, there's an unusual thing, and there's reversals
Speaker 1: and everything reversals. There's a game, there's a game as
Speaker 1: a reserve, there's a reversal, there's a point of view,
Speaker 1: it's all there. What we're saying is, like, you know,
Speaker 1: game and comedy is is an unusual situation and it
Speaker 1: gets played and it gets heightened. And in that song here,
Speaker 1: I am like you can see me in my bathtub,
Speaker 1: in my dime and I'm beautiful, but there's a crazy
Speaker 1: and you still want to come back and get more
Speaker 1: of this. And there was an interview that she did
Speaker 1: where she said it was just so far from herself
Speaker 1: that she wanted to write a song based on that character,
Speaker 1: which I think she's very successfully did. And that song
Speaker 1: was everywhere, and when that album came out, everyone was
Speaker 1: talking about that song. It's great that you weren't talking
Speaker 1: about any other song. It's such a good song. I
Speaker 1: listened to it, honestly, and this is no joke a
Speaker 1: lot twice a day, but one and I well, can
Speaker 1: I tell you, um, I've always been all about wildest dreams.
Speaker 1: Wild dreams. It's on my lullaby playlist when I say asleep, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I fantasized I did want to. So you know what
Speaker 1: this is actually is pretty good because Album of the
Speaker 1: Year did go to Taylor Swift, So that album is
Speaker 1: chock full. That album is chalk full of people. People
Speaker 1: getting all up in arms about butter Fly losing um
Speaker 1: And yeah, we talked about how it's populist, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like what do you expect and you
Speaker 1: gotta play the game a little bit, like I feel
Speaker 1: like you can't expect too much from this shore And
Speaker 1: we'll talk about Kendrick later because he performed and it
Speaker 1: was unbelievable, unbelievable. But that album is and I said
Speaker 1: this to you earlier today, Good Kid Mad City like
Speaker 1: already like like on its own masterpiece, and it came
Speaker 1: out so early, like in his career, and then like
Speaker 1: following that up with something that he could out of here.
Speaker 1: He could have gone one or two weeks, he could
Speaker 1: have followed up with something that was like a little
Speaker 1: more innocuous or like make a huge statement, and that's
Speaker 1: what he did. And I love that album too. The
Speaker 1: lateral move of quality, I'd say same yeah, same quality wise,
Speaker 1: Good Kid, Mad City unbelievable to Pipper Waterfly, just as unbelievable,
Speaker 1: just as unbelievable. Um but yeah nine And you know what, Also,
Speaker 1: like last year we talked about how Beyonce I lost
Speaker 1: to back, Like maybe last year they went with the
Speaker 1: artistic choice and everyone was like fuck. So now this
Speaker 1: year they were like they went the commercial route. Also,
Speaker 1: it just seems like sometimes you can't fucking beat her,
Speaker 1: you know what, everywhere, Like she's got the whole music
Speaker 1: industry machine behind her, like she I think she she
Speaker 1: must make the most money for the industry. I think,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I feel like there
Speaker 1: is that thing of like it's why you nominate James
Speaker 1: Cameron at the Oscars. You know what swift is the
Speaker 1: James Cameron feels. It feels that way. So we got
Speaker 1: winning Album of the Year and she opened up the show.
Speaker 1: She sang out of the Woods and the girl does
Speaker 1: not know how to move, No, she her limbs are
Speaker 1: all over the place, heavy heavy feet, heavy feet. That
Speaker 1: probably drives quick. That Anna Winter Bob not working for her.
Speaker 1: She's she's, she's she's too big on those glittery cat suits.
Speaker 1: I'm missing the hair that she had on the Red album.
Speaker 1: Straight that's straight straw bangs yeah, and when like I
Speaker 1: liked the way she did her hair and we are
Speaker 1: never getting back together video where she was like, I'm
Speaker 1: a freaking cute girl we meet, I just thought like,
Speaker 1: I want more of that, more fun, more fun. Listen,
Speaker 1: you know what she very She really is nailing this thing. Weren't.
Speaker 1: You know what, We're not going to talk about any
Speaker 1: male artists here because you know they're they've they've earned
Speaker 1: their respect to not to. We only criticize women. Women
Speaker 1: we worship, we worship. Really, that's how this says, because
Speaker 1: Boone and Night, at the end of the day, we're
Speaker 1: going to shill out almost three to go see Taylor
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. We made a split decisions in pulse by,
Speaker 1: but I don't regret that decision. Well you were so
Speaker 1: but we basically we say the night before, you know,
Speaker 1: there is the Taylor sel concert tomorrow, we could go.
Speaker 1: Are we going to go? We went to bed saying
Speaker 1: let's sleep on it. We wake over the morning, I
Speaker 1: think we both rolled over to our phone. We were like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna go and listen. Well, the thing
Speaker 1: that happened the night prior was I was pulling up
Speaker 1: all these Instagram videos of people who were at the concert,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this looks really really fun, and
Speaker 1: so then you know, we just we slept on it
Speaker 1: and then thank god we slept and I was like,
Speaker 1: we're going to do it, and then this is this
Speaker 1: is a fun story. And then we take an uber
Speaker 1: from Matt's apartment. Well we have the best day before
Speaker 1: that too. We're sucking drinking like the place that was cocktails,
Speaker 1: taking Instagram. I'm singing along to the music, getting into it. Like.
Speaker 1: Then we decide we're gonna call an uber, which we
Speaker 1: think would be forty bucks. We think it'll be forty bucks.
Speaker 1: Were like, you know what, it's it's Jersey, it's not
Speaker 1: too far, not city Field, met Life, MetLife. Our driver
Speaker 1: picks us up. He decides to drive and maybe this
Speaker 1: is what the apps told him. He decides to drive
Speaker 1: through the Arizono Bridge into Staten Island. We drive through
Speaker 1: the beautiful suburbs of Staten Island, see it all, see
Speaker 1: it all for about a full hour, and then we
Speaker 1: get we get into Jersey and we get stuck in
Speaker 1: traffic leading up to MetLife because of course everyone's going
Speaker 1: within the Tristate area. And then Um, I'm girding my
Speaker 1: loins for what the the what the what the fair
Speaker 1: is going to be? I don't get a receipt email
Speaker 1: until the day after because it honestly had a compute
Speaker 1: probably and like, well this is long as ye and
Speaker 1: so then um guys, uh, well for us for the
Speaker 1: sake of transparency. Um, it was a hundred and eighty dollars.
Speaker 1: It was insane. It was insane. We I mean, if
Speaker 1: you think, okay, so the tickets were what to Joe,
Speaker 1: our engineer, Joe's laughing, our producer engineer, Joe's laughing. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's insane. It's stupid, so stupid. So I kept saying
Speaker 1: to Bone, like do you regret it yet? Do you
Speaker 1: regret it yet? He's like, you know, and then like
Speaker 1: post the concert, you will regret I regretting. I think
Speaker 1: now looking back, I don't regret it, do you. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's done a number on my credit
Speaker 1: card debt. Okay, So there you go. This is this
Speaker 1: is culture is candid candid lesson lesson five six cultures
Speaker 1: candid culture doesn't hide. I'm not gonna hide. No, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna hide. Good, I'll reveal some truths on here. Please,
Speaker 1: we have to get there. We'll get there, okay, and
Speaker 1: then and then real quickly. So what I thought what
Speaker 1: my favorite record of the year was That was not
Speaker 1: No It was run Away with Me, Carl. Yeah, probably
Speaker 1: probably if I'm oh man, now, maybe that might be
Speaker 1: mine too. While the streams is pretty up there for me,
Speaker 1: I think Blank Space deserved to take home that award.
Speaker 1: But then again, it's like, you're gonna give her everything.
Speaker 1: Carly Ray was snubbed. If we're going to talk about snubs,
Speaker 1: we don't really have. We didn't. We didn't build in
Speaker 1: a moment to talk about snubs today. But look, I
Speaker 1: mean we can talk about the one Big Snow which
Speaker 1: just called That's an amazing pop album. It just is.
Speaker 1: You know what she did. She took a very right
Speaker 1: early approach to this and just like purged out two songs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nailed it, and then was like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna cherry pick. I'm gonna pick the best ones, and
Speaker 1: that's how you edit, that's how you write. I have
Speaker 1: a good one actually, from what might be my favorite
Speaker 1: song of the year. I was always happy when this
Speaker 1: came on. Love Me like you do. Okay, I really
Speaker 1: like that song. Sure, Like I just pictured myself like
Speaker 1: spinning around like you know that Faith Hill song Breathe.
Speaker 1: I can hear you breathe with the music video which
Speaker 1: was her like on that like desert was that that
Speaker 1: she was on? I would love to read that treatment.
Speaker 1: I picture myself spinning around on that in that dress,
Speaker 1: sing oh my god, what a great song? Like it?
Speaker 1: I love that? And it was in fifty Shades of Great,
Speaker 1: which made that movie sort of tolerable and insane. Plaine
Speaker 1: movement moment, the helicopter moment. You and I saw that together,
Speaker 1: And was that the helicopter moment where they played that song? Okay,
Speaker 1: there's they're they're in flight in two parts of that movie. Yes,
Speaker 1: there's the helicozer part, which is like too long, and
Speaker 1: then they randomly go fly planes. Where did they fly too?
Speaker 1: They fly around? Okay, they just go to He's like,
Speaker 1: come on really quickly, this is okay, you know what.
Speaker 1: This is a fun story. Matt and I saw fifty
Speaker 1: Shades of Grade. The day came out Valentine's and future
Speaker 1: guests of the show and address and a dress in
Speaker 1: um the three of us, I think we're all single
Speaker 1: at the time. And then we went to go see
Speaker 1: to Us on Valentine's Day with in a packed movie Hatter,
Speaker 1: and then we thank god we were in a theater
Speaker 1: that was willing to laugh, because we just laughed at
Speaker 1: everything and it was just so funny and so cheesy.
Speaker 1: And then at one point, about an hour and a
Speaker 1: half into the film, we hear from the middle section
Speaker 1: of the theater, Daddy, I want to go to the bathroom,
Speaker 1: and the entire theater was this beautiful, cathartic communal moment
Speaker 1: of everyone just gasping and going there. We couldn't believe.
Speaker 1: And it was, honestly like a scene had just finished
Speaker 1: that was like a humiliating section. Like she was like
Speaker 1: Johnson gets whipped something up in a scene and like
Speaker 1: you know, she gets flogged. And then it's like the
Speaker 1: movie doesn't skirt around it. The movie is about that.
Speaker 1: It's an R rated film that this man later on,
Speaker 1: I went to the bathroom after the movie got at
Speaker 1: this saw a man brought his child to Fifty Shades
Speaker 1: of Gray on Valentine Well then and brought up a
Speaker 1: good point. Okay, she said, well, I mean the thing
Speaker 1: is he wants to go see the movie. He's trying
Speaker 1: to go see it. You know, we don't know what
Speaker 1: it's like to be Maybe he's a single parent. Maybe
Speaker 1: he couldn't get someone. And I felt a little bad
Speaker 1: about it. And then I was like, uh, no, you
Speaker 1: don't bring your kids. You're a single parent. If you're
Speaker 1: a single parent, if let's say, let's for for for
Speaker 1: for argument's sake, he's a single parent, do anything else
Speaker 1: with your kid, I would say, yeah, it's a Valentine's
Speaker 1: Day for them too. I would say, let's not scar them.
Speaker 1: Let's not yea, they can't possibly grasp the sexual fill
Speaker 1: in their head with unimaginable question sexual cruelty. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: It was out of control. Hard. It's hard, like like
Speaker 1: it's hard enough explaining B D s M to like
Speaker 1: the lay person, I don't get it. Okay, well, then
Speaker 1: I need to understand explained to me. I don't know
Speaker 1: me neither. I couldn't explain to me. It's I can't this.
Speaker 1: This will be like the blinding and leading the blind. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe he maybe he really liked the song too. Sure, well,
Speaker 1: let's let's get back into the Grammys. Okay, So basically
Speaker 1: that that was my record of the year. Um, it's
Speaker 1: worth talking about how maybe Teller deserved it. She did
Speaker 1: come out and she performed out of the Woods in
Speaker 1: the beginning, and of course she had a very first
Speaker 1: thought woods in the background. Too on the nose. You
Speaker 1: know what I say it about that music video that's
Speaker 1: going to be used as a teaching tool, um for
Speaker 1: being too on the nose. So anyway, she's very hit
Speaker 1: and miss with her music videos, I feel because can
Speaker 1: I tell you blank Space, unbelievable music, wildest dreams I love.
Speaker 1: I know it attracted a share of criticism. I don't
Speaker 1: think that criticism is that okay because I think it
Speaker 1: was depicting a nineteen fifties movie set where you wouldn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of I mean, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: like sure, for the sake of it being now and
Speaker 1: we all know it's taking place now, have some like you,
Speaker 1: cast minorities like you, just but I think that might
Speaker 1: have been a case of people looking looking a little
Speaker 1: too hard to be angry about something. I do like
Speaker 1: that music video. It's a good video. Um. You know
Speaker 1: what interesting thing, all the all these videos you've just
Speaker 1: named the same director Joseph Khan. He's really good. He
Speaker 1: worked on a lot of um Brittany that he works
Speaker 1: on a lot of He is someone who went up
Speaker 1: stars in their imperial phase. They get a lot of
Speaker 1: the music videos directed by Joseph Conto, Kelly back in
Speaker 1: the day, a lot of Joseph conn videos, which ones
Speaker 1: already gone. Um, a couple other ones too. I think
Speaker 1: maybe like no, since you've been gone doesn't sound right?
Speaker 1: He he he might injected misindependent. Remember the house party, I'm
Speaker 1: not familiar. Oh gosh, so I'm definitely going to be
Speaker 1: the authority here on. Kelly Clarkson, by the way, winner
Speaker 1: of two Grammy nominations last night Winnination. I would like it.
Speaker 1: She's a three time Grammy winner. In fact, here's a
Speaker 1: little factoid. She's the only artist to win Best Pop
Speaker 1: Vocal Album twice. Wow Is that true? She's the only
Speaker 1: artist to win that award twice. She wanted for Breakaway,
Speaker 1: and she wanted for Stronger, and she was up again
Speaker 1: for this year by Piece, and she lost out to
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. And I saw some people getting a little
Speaker 1: upset on social media that Taylor Swift would win a
Speaker 1: Pop Vocal Album award when there's people like Kelly Clarkson
Speaker 1: and Florence Welch nominated. But the basically what it says
Speaker 1: for pop vocal album is it's an award for the
Speaker 1: best boom that is or more with vocals. So it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily like this person gave the best vocal performance
Speaker 1: on this on their album. It's it's to separate vocal
Speaker 1: albums from instrumental album there's there isn't there a pop performance.
Speaker 1: There's the best Pop Solo Performance category, which Teleswift did
Speaker 1: not win. So there you go. Who did win? I
Speaker 1: think ed Sheeran he did, great singer. But but you're
Speaker 1: never going to do it for me. Um, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't suffer, you know, little hobbits. You
Speaker 1: know we should we should give Taylor a little bit
Speaker 1: of credit for trying to belt. She did try to
Speaker 1: sing that song. Yeah, but when you okay, you know
Speaker 1: she did. She gave it a shot. She tried. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, if you if you try to fly
Speaker 1: a spaceship without the training, do you get credit for that?
Speaker 1: You know what? That's a good point lesson number six
Speaker 1: sixty two, don't fly spaceship without the training. What number
Speaker 1: was that? I think? I think, Matt, I think some
Speaker 1: contenders for merch this episode is um a shirt with
Speaker 1: some lessons, I think so. I think we'll find the
Speaker 1: right lesson as we go, but you can look forward
Speaker 1: to Lost Cultures this shirt that will have one of
Speaker 1: our lessons on it, and that will be still to come.
Speaker 1: So kind of gotta gotta keep listening. So I just
Speaker 1: want to talk about the host of the show, l
Speaker 1: L cool J, Yes, the the pseudo host. Does this
Speaker 1: happen every single year? That's my first question and my
Speaker 1: second question that I posed to you is what's the
Speaker 1: difference between LLL cool J and Queen Latifa? Really, go
Speaker 1: tell me the difference between L cool Jan Queen Latifa?
Speaker 1: The same person. L L cool J wears little berets.
Speaker 1: I don't know. LL cool j um ll cool J.
Speaker 1: They've got the same energy, They've got the same round face. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's the same kind of like inoffensive yet
Speaker 1: like a little bit edgy. Isn't that it's horrible? It's
Speaker 1: like we're gonna put a harmless African American in front
Speaker 1: of America. Yeah, like no, Queen Latifa. I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: love Dana Owens. Can you like she? Is it? I
Speaker 1: am a huge queen. I love Queen Lativa. I think that.
Speaker 1: But I do think that the majority of the reason
Speaker 1: why I like her is because of her personality and
Speaker 1: how cool she is. Can I tell you I met
Speaker 1: her once? Yes, she was very nice. She would I
Speaker 1: mean it was It was like when I was a
Speaker 1: freshman in college and I was kind of lost at
Speaker 1: the time. I didn't really know what I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: I was writing for the newspaper school newspaper, the n
Speaker 1: y U school newspaper UM called the Washington Square News,
Speaker 1: and there was different sections obviously, So I went to
Speaker 1: go be in like the film and television and theater
Speaker 1: reviews and features department, and so we got to do culture.
Speaker 1: Culture and interested in culture at an early age. Yes,
Speaker 1: what the second I came to New York, I knew
Speaker 1: culture at an early age. I knew culture was for me.
Speaker 1: So um, I got the opportunity to kind of go
Speaker 1: and see movies that were coming out early, and I
Speaker 1: would see them, and then I would get to go
Speaker 1: to these press junkets and I would interview some of
Speaker 1: the celebrities and some of the you know, I did
Speaker 1: meet some cool people. I got to interview Gary Cole,
Speaker 1: Oh my God, from Pineapple Express and Brady Bunch of Movies,
Speaker 1: and I was interviewing him. I was interviewing him a
Speaker 1: better movie called Forever Strong about Rugby. I never heard
Speaker 1: of it, Nope, neither did I ever. Again, I did
Speaker 1: watch it though. You know who was in that. There
Speaker 1: was a really hot, hot, hot actor, Sean Ferris Well,
Speaker 1: I got to look him up because this guy was hot.
Speaker 1: And also Amber Heard was in it. Heard she went
Speaker 1: on to bigger and better things. But I mean, so
Speaker 1: this movie anyway, that's a tangent. But I did get
Speaker 1: the opportunity to have this experience with the Secret Life
Speaker 1: of Bees group, interview with the Queen Law Group, interview
Speaker 1: with Queen Latifa. So I'm kind of very obviously, I'm eighteen,
Speaker 1: I'm new to interviewing celebrities. Screen Screen is grass. So
Speaker 1: basically like three of them come in. The writer director
Speaker 1: Gina Prince Bythewood who also wrote and directed Love and Basketball,
Speaker 1: one of my favorites, um and something else recently, oh
Speaker 1: Beyond the Lights. I was gonna guess that. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: really have to see that, really, really really good movies.
Speaker 1: This this woman makes what's your Name? Gina Prince Bythewood, Culture, Culture,
Speaker 1: spotlight on Prince Bythewood. You know, check her out if
Speaker 1: you haven't, because Beyond the Lights is very good. It's
Speaker 1: a little heavy handed at times, but Love and Basketball
Speaker 1: is like a classic for all time, I think, and
Speaker 1: Secret Life of Bees didn't wasn't too bad either, Right,
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. Okay, So she comes in, she's fine,
Speaker 1: nice interview. Sophie Okonado comes in, like this hotel, Rwanda,
Speaker 1: Sophia Knado. She comes and she takes herself very seriously. Um,
Speaker 1: but you know, as she should. She's a very very actress.
Speaker 1: But um, you just kind of feel everyone like in
Speaker 1: the room kind of like straightened up because it's like
Speaker 1: an OSCAR nominated actress that we're dealing with now. So like, um,
Speaker 1: I'm there, I don't really everyone's asking the good questions.
Speaker 1: Everyone's very experienced jumping in, Like what everyone's got there,
Speaker 1: Like really nice tape recorders out on the desk. I've
Speaker 1: got my shitty like one that I just bought from
Speaker 1: like a drug store. Yeah, And all I knew about
Speaker 1: her was that she had been nominated for an Oscar
Speaker 1: for Hotel Rwanda. That was it, and I knew that
Speaker 1: she was in this movie. She played like the younger
Speaker 1: mentally challenged, So I guess she was in the middle
Speaker 1: of the answering some other question and I and someone
Speaker 1: brought up how amazing her performance was in Secret Life
Speaker 1: of Bees and like that there would be a claim
Speaker 1: coming her way she had, so um, She's like, well yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I kind of like, because like do in
Speaker 1: these situations you're going to kind of get your question in.
Speaker 1: So I asked, what does that make you nervous to
Speaker 1: talk about Oscar? Like does that give you a little
Speaker 1: bit of butterflies to know that might be down the road?
Speaker 1: Valid question? She looks at me and she goes, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's in God's hands. And I'm
Speaker 1: like okay, and I couldn't possibly think about it. What
Speaker 1: that's That's in God's hands? Yeah, God, God, God's very
Speaker 1: weakly looks away. I'm like continuous, and then um, the
Speaker 1: one reporter next to me goes, did you want to
Speaker 1: finish your answer? Has? He interrupted? I was like looking
Speaker 1: at this g one mom next to me, who's like,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously like twenty years professional, and she just
Speaker 1: dressed me down in front of the whole room and
Speaker 1: Sophia on. So I'm like, you take yourself too serious.
Speaker 1: You're this, this, this whoever. That reporter was just sitting
Speaker 1: in a sitting in some like stupid shittily upholstered chair,
Speaker 1: just like you were. And while it was all the
Speaker 1: same ship that I was, and I like just bumbled
Speaker 1: in there from the n y U newspaper, so it
Speaker 1: was like, get a life. She was really mean to me,
Speaker 1: Oh my God, give it up and gets in God's hands.
Speaker 1: God's the one filling out the ballots and God's the
Speaker 1: one he's like holding luncheon. Is Harvey Weinstein? Yeah, anyway, stupid.
Speaker 1: So anyway she gets out of there, I'm like and
Speaker 1: so basically like we're all sitting there. It's really uncomfortable
Speaker 1: at this point. So now Queen Lativa's coming, She's the
Speaker 1: one you want to talk to anyway, And now I'm
Speaker 1: like too embarrassed to ask a question. And also at
Speaker 1: the end, when everyone was done with their interview, everyone's
Speaker 1: doing the bullshit of going up to them and be like,
Speaker 1: oh I loved you in this, I loved you in this,
Speaker 1: like she was so good and hold a Rwanda. But
Speaker 1: no one could think of anything to say to Sophia
Speaker 1: Carnado except one, and she's like thanks, thanks, thanks. So
Speaker 1: Queen Latifa comes in and she's a thousand feet tall,
Speaker 1: she's got platinum blonde hair, and she just brings the
Speaker 1: X factor in the room. Of course, she's just like
Speaker 1: she's just so good. Like Queen Latifa is working the room.
Speaker 1: She sits down, handles all her questions with such grace,
Speaker 1: looks at everyone in the eye just like such a pro.
Speaker 1: So then at the end, we all got the opportunity
Speaker 1: to like get our junket packets signed by then. So
Speaker 1: I and listening to everyone be like, I, you know,
Speaker 1: everyone that's pretending to know so much about like her
Speaker 1: of what or however you say that word of like
Speaker 1: her resume, they've got it. They've seen all our films, right, everyone,
Speaker 1: everyone's seen all Queen Lativa's movies. Meanwhile, all these people
Speaker 1: had seen with Chicago, and maybe they had seen like
Speaker 1: what's the one bringing down that? Maybe what's the one
Speaker 1: with the old one with her and Jada Picketts with
Speaker 1: where they Baraba bank. Oh, I know that when you're
Speaker 1: talking about ship that one. That one. Wait, let let
Speaker 1: me look this up. We'll get up while I finished this.
Speaker 1: So I'm going up and I'm like, I have seen
Speaker 1: a lot of her movies and I'm gonna nail this.
Speaker 1: Set it off. So set it off. Okay, so not
Speaker 1: that one. Actually I haven't seen said it off. But
Speaker 1: I went after her and I handed her my pamphlet
Speaker 1: and I said, I just wanted to tell you I
Speaker 1: loved you in Life Support, which was her HBO AIDS movie.
Speaker 1: And she she turns around to me and she didn't
Speaker 1: look anyone in the eyes. She looks at me dead
Speaker 1: in the eyes, and she goes, thank you so much, baby, Yes,
Speaker 1: And I was like yeah, and I could see out
Speaker 1: of the corner of my eye the woman that like
Speaker 1: had talked about my home was like, damn, that's such.
Speaker 1: His kids got something. This kid kids, his culture. This
Speaker 1: kid knows. Remember when I said, later I would tell
Speaker 1: you why I was qualified. That's why. That's why, because
Speaker 1: you knew and I had legitimately seen it and it
Speaker 1: was moving right. And then you made a connection with
Speaker 1: Queen Latifa. Yes I did. She turned around. She she
Speaker 1: wiped her platinum blonde hair out of her eyes and
Speaker 1: she said, thank you so much, baby, you broke through
Speaker 1: her because she she sits through that chip all day.
Speaker 1: I said to myself, I was like, she probably never
Speaker 1: hears the stuff that she really thinks is great. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm sure she loved doing life support. Anyway. It was
Speaker 1: definitely it was mostly me being like I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: this woman, and you get her and get her. But anyway,
Speaker 1: you know, I hear a lot of people talk about
Speaker 1: why is Queen Tifa famous, like you know, and you know,
Speaker 1: you could debate whether she deserved her like Oscar nomination
Speaker 1: for Chicago, But I'm saying I think Queen Latifa deserves
Speaker 1: her place in the lexicon, in the culture. And you
Speaker 1: have a conspiracy the culture. You have a cultural conspiracy
Speaker 1: that Queen Latifa is ladies love cool James. Is that
Speaker 1: all cool Ja? I think they're the same, the same person.
Speaker 1: I think they got to swap him out so they
Speaker 1: we feel that different people are hosting different things. It's
Speaker 1: a tokenism issue. They think, wow, we need we need
Speaker 1: just another person just like Queen Lya Tifa, but we
Speaker 1: we can't find him there Switzerland in that like there're
Speaker 1: Switzerland and that like cool Jagon queen. It's like, I'm
Speaker 1: not offended by them, and I would probably fuck them.
Speaker 1: That's what people think about Switzerland. Yeah, I'd probably suck
Speaker 1: Switzerland's I would suck a Swiss person. Yeah, male female, intersect,
Speaker 1: gender queer, and that's a part of culture. Any is
Speaker 1: what you don't discriminate sexually, guys less than culture, you
Speaker 1: don't discriminate sexually. So all right, let's let's keep going.
Speaker 1: Let's keep talking about the Grammys. I think the host
Speaker 1: was a questionable thing. I think we deserve better. I
Speaker 1: think we have to be challenged by the Grammys to
Speaker 1: the different kind of hosts. Carrie Underwood, same Hunt. There's
Speaker 1: nothing so Carrie Underwood obviously, you know one of the
Speaker 1: queens of country. There's a new one, new country star.
Speaker 1: This guy. He's really gorgeous, hot, but he just really
Speaker 1: can't sing. And I ask, is country music just a
Speaker 1: bunch of hot dudes that can't sing? Yes, I think
Speaker 1: it is absolutely country music. I think is even more gridlocked,
Speaker 1: and it's anybody can do this exactly, Like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck you can't Matt Matt, You guys, Matt Rogers would
Speaker 1: kill in country. I think I should I think they
Speaker 1: should make me a country music you would succeed. Don't
Speaker 1: know why they want flying colors. Well, you know sexuality
Speaker 1: doors are about to open, did everyone? Okay? I just
Speaker 1: wanted to tell everyone that I'm almose actual um, I
Speaker 1: want to I want to tell everyone that right now,
Speaker 1: so I don't feel like I'm hiding. Culture is not
Speaker 1: the place, well not the place I said I would
Speaker 1: be dropping truths. In culture, you don't hide, but in
Speaker 1: culture you um don't ask him tell, Okay, Okay, rule
Speaker 1: number one, rule number one in culture, don't ask, don't tell.
Speaker 1: But that's you know what, that's the merch. I think
Speaker 1: that's it. Okay, So you can look forward to a
Speaker 1: crew neck shirt or white crew neck shirt, and it's
Speaker 1: gonna say culture. Rule number one in culture, don't ask
Speaker 1: to tell. Only create really, only create only crip, only
Speaker 1: create only um. But anyway they're duet was absolutely stupid.
Speaker 1: But I do have to give props to her outfit.
Speaker 1: Oh you said she came out and her outfit was
Speaker 1: like fuck me in Heaven, which is nidie and it's
Speaker 1: like ripped at the bottom and it looks like she
Speaker 1: looks like an angel, like a fuckable angel. That's what
Speaker 1: country music is is, um, uh have sex with me
Speaker 1: and the Christian afterlife. Yeah, that's it super boring. But
Speaker 1: like you know what, they all have that Fox News
Speaker 1: like ideal beauty or so. It's such a bullshit because
Speaker 1: all the woman looked the same. Carrie was giving me
Speaker 1: making Kelly, she really was. They've all got there, Jessica
Speaker 1: Simpson bullshit hair extensions. Although she was rocking a short
Speaker 1: to do, she was walking a nice little Carly Fiorina.
Speaker 1: She was showing her support angle for the now defunct
Speaker 1: Carl Fury in a campaign. I guess Carrie Underwood, by
Speaker 1: the way, UM would love to know her politics, oh
Speaker 1: she I think. At the Country Music Awards a couple
Speaker 1: of years, during after the midterm elections, she threw in
Speaker 1: a little, a little little zinger about Republicans taking back Congress.
Speaker 1: Did she And I don't remember what word she said,
Speaker 1: but like she she said that and it got a
Speaker 1: huge laugh in the room, played so well in that room.
Speaker 1: She read the room, and and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well she's come. She's outing herself as a huge Republican,
Speaker 1: which makes total sure. Anyway we think about the lies
Speaker 1: we were fed about carry on. She had never been
Speaker 1: on a plane, she's never seen a camera. Meanwhile, think
Speaker 1: about the bullshit that is American idol. Talk about what
Speaker 1: needs to get ripped out of culture, Well it is.
Speaker 1: Think got good riddance, Well like the whole thing of
Speaker 1: like we just found Carrie, but we've got all the
Speaker 1: stock footage of her plan in the fields. How how
Speaker 1: I asked, think about what you're being fed. Think about
Speaker 1: what you're being fed. Look for the pepsi cans is
Speaker 1: what I say. Look for the pepsi cans. Look for
Speaker 1: the pepsi trailer. Culture cultural fact rule number I think American.
Speaker 1: I know by the way um Main sponsors Cocacola. I
Speaker 1: believe well X factress Pepsi I was. I was. One
Speaker 1: time I was in college. I was watching X Factor
Speaker 1: America with the culture singer with friend of the show
Speaker 1: and future guests Sudie Green, and I was exposing her
Speaker 1: at X Factor because I liked it because I would
Speaker 1: watch the British version on YouTube and I was coming
Speaker 1: to America. I was very excited about it. And we
Speaker 1: were watching it one day and I was like, you
Speaker 1: gotta see this one girl. She's really good. So that
Speaker 1: girls starts singing as attractive blonde girl. They do this
Speaker 1: like pan up her body, which they never do for
Speaker 1: the men. But they were like panning up from her legs,
Speaker 1: up her dress, and like up to her face. And
Speaker 1: Sudi was like, watch how they pan up her body
Speaker 1: and there's pepsi cans. It's everywhere. They're selling you sex
Speaker 1: and you're and they're selling you pepsi and this is brainwash.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god. And I realized
Speaker 1: that was when I truly realized that really we're just
Speaker 1: sheep to them. I mean it's very Josie and the
Speaker 1: pussy Cats, very Josie in the Pieces, the Piece prophetic movie.
Speaker 1: Everyone should go out and Rachel Lee Cook, Rosario Dawson
Speaker 1: star Josie and the Pussy guest because it was ahead
Speaker 1: of its time, of its time, still having its time
Speaker 1: and taking down the music industry like we are today.
Speaker 1: We are we are doing. We're just we're just taking
Speaker 1: the baton from Josie and the pussy Cats. Um. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot to think about there. And I would
Speaker 1: say rule number sixty and nine, Look for the pepsis,
Speaker 1: look for the number six. They're there. Don't trust what
Speaker 1: you see. I would say, yeah, that's good. We saw
Speaker 1: Ariana Grande on the Grammy. She she was introwing the weekend.
Speaker 1: She threw a little pun in the little joke, and
Speaker 1: I what are they trying to do with her at
Speaker 1: this point? Like you can't have her out there looking
Speaker 1: doughnuts and talking about so she hates Americo, So they're
Speaker 1: trying to make her like funny. She's a comedic. She's
Speaker 1: a comedic genius, right, genius. She's a talent, she's a
Speaker 1: culture you know what cultural stamp of approval from loss
Speaker 1: culture stas Ariana Grande is the is the next Moms.
Speaker 1: Maybe I can see her in one of those movies
Speaker 1: like scary movie. Yeah, she would do scary. I can't
Speaker 1: see her while she was in the Scream Queens for
Speaker 1: like sixty seconds, which is you know, but I can
Speaker 1: see her being in one of those like farsy satire
Speaker 1: movies that like the way she would be the criminal
Speaker 1: Electra because I remember her carmin Electors and Scary. Maybe
Speaker 1: she would basically fill in for that. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: could see Ariana Grande fill in that role. Be yeah,
Speaker 1: be that little trope. Okay, let's keep it in the weekend,
Speaker 1: whatever weekend, whatever. I don't get it. Ellie Golden performed.
Speaker 1: She sounded okay um and andre day I believe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't know her, but she does have
Speaker 1: a pretty good voice. I feel like she just showed
Speaker 1: up out of nowhere. She's she's good. I like her.
Speaker 1: We had the Lionel Richie tribute. Mm hmm, it looks
Speaker 1: really good. I said. It's amazing to see Demi Levado
Speaker 1: style progressing from two thousand fifteen Demi Levado to two
Speaker 1: thousand seven Demi Levado. It's amazing to hear it. Take
Speaker 1: the sleep forward, just a regression. She looks like camp Rock.
Speaker 1: She looks like camp Rock. Yeah, she just had this
Speaker 1: whole year cool for the summer. Also one of the
Speaker 1: records of the year. Second year, but fucking she looked unbelievable.
Speaker 1: A year and she shows up looking like chased, looking
Speaker 1: like I think I have a heart attack. So it's
Speaker 1: two thousand seven, Demi. It feels like I've changed, and
Speaker 1: I want Demi Lado move forward because I liked Demmy.
Speaker 1: I'm worried about her vocal health. She has You pointed
Speaker 1: out that when she hit that I love you. She
Speaker 1: decided to take it way up and her neck, her
Speaker 1: veins bursting with veins not healthy, not healthy veins to
Speaker 1: have first no no, no, no no, because it's all
Speaker 1: coming from it doesn't sound healthy. It sounds gets a scream.
Speaker 1: It sounds like you're blowing out every gasket in your body.
Speaker 1: She had like a widely acclaimed SNL performance not long ago,
Speaker 1: and I heard a lot of screaming and I think
Speaker 1: Stone could, which is tough, and you know, she has
Speaker 1: really hard music. But the thing is they were saying
Speaker 1: a few years ago about her like she can only
Speaker 1: last a few more years in terms of her and
Speaker 1: she has lasted, and I mean she's still doing it.
Speaker 1: So maybe she's just got one of those throats that
Speaker 1: can do it. Demi Levado, she's gotten one of those
Speaker 1: one of those throats. Look out for the neck sock.
Speaker 1: I think this could be a pretty good piece of merch.
Speaker 1: Demi Levado, she's gonna neck to keep your or we
Speaker 1: need to sing like Demi Lato and scream. I was
Speaker 1: going to also propose this could be like a supplemental
Speaker 1: piece of merch, like a like a jewel case. C
Speaker 1: d um CD case with like a mock album artwork
Speaker 1: Demi Levado and the album title is one of those threats,
Speaker 1: one of those throats that's like Katy Perry, one of
Speaker 1: the boys, One of the boys. Katy Perry absent from
Speaker 1: the Grammy, but she was heavily featured in the in
Speaker 1: the in cosmetic I think cover girl commercials. That girl
Speaker 1: has so many product endorsements. I mean, she's got Pepsi,
Speaker 1: she's got H and M, she's got cover Girls. She's
Speaker 1: oh my god, Pepsi. Is Pepsi doing well back? But well,
Speaker 1: I think super But when when she was opening for everybody,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, look for the Pepsi people. But look, it
Speaker 1: works both ways because you know who can never, ever, ever,
Speaker 1: ever do the Super Bowl halftime show because of her
Speaker 1: diet coke alignment. Taylor Taylor Taylor Swift, So she can
Speaker 1: never do Someone brought that up there were like, you know,
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift is livid that she probably can't do the
Speaker 1: town the super Bowl half time show in the next
Speaker 1: ten years because of diet coke. And I hadn't thought
Speaker 1: of that. That's a thing. Culture. Culture is beholden to capitalism. Everybody,
Speaker 1: what do we think of the Lady Gaga David Boy tribute.
Speaker 1: I know Bowen is a huge Lady Gaga fan. Lady
Speaker 1: gotta change Bowen's life. It was so whacked he it
Speaker 1: was a little bit unfocused. It was just there's too much.
Speaker 1: I don't know what she was trying to say. I
Speaker 1: don't know if she was like she obviously was trying
Speaker 1: to honor David, but um David, like I know him Bowie,
Speaker 1: but like, uh, you know, it was just kind of
Speaker 1: all over the place. That's the thing about Lady Gaga
Speaker 1: is you never really know who she is as an artist.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's her thing, is that she's a chameleon. But
Speaker 1: also like focus on something I don't know. I prefer
Speaker 1: what she's been this year. I like that. I like
Speaker 1: the weird, wacky American horror story Choice. I can't watch
Speaker 1: it because it scares me too much, but I like
Speaker 1: that she's on it. I think it's fucking so gay
Speaker 1: and I love that for her, and I think it's
Speaker 1: super heightened and perfect for her. And I like her
Speaker 1: Tony Bennett shit. And I like this song about campus
Speaker 1: rape and I think it's important and I support it.
Speaker 1: There you go. I think that like no, I mean,
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga has to really didn't didn't her dare David Bowie?
Speaker 1: Trevi didn't like upset me in anyway. I saw people
Speaker 1: on Twitter being like, I can't imagine any Bowie fanlking this,
Speaker 1: but you know what, like I feel like, lady guys
Speaker 1: leave her alone when it comes to David Bowie. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously it's a huge influence on her. It's like, come on,
Speaker 1: she's had the lightning bolts over her eyes and stay one.
Speaker 1: Leave your credit at home on this, leave the credit
Speaker 1: at home. I think. I think in culture rule number one,
Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta leave your credit at home. Leave your
Speaker 1: credit at home. Unless you're creating, you gotta crip. You
Speaker 1: got to create to cre create, then ture crip. Thank
Speaker 1: you great. So I think at this moment I wanna
Speaker 1: go to a little segment that we have called I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. I don't think so honey because
Speaker 1: I have a big I don't think so honey about this,
Speaker 1: and I want to put one minute on the clock.
Speaker 1: Let's put it, okay, let's do so this is we
Speaker 1: have one minute to really get our frustrations out about
Speaker 1: something that happened in this cultural event this tonight. It's
Speaker 1: the Grammys and my I don't think so, honey. I'll
Speaker 1: let you know what it is when I have my minute. Okay, alright,
Speaker 1: one second, it's gonna really I've got a lot to
Speaker 1: unload because I think that we saw something happened last
Speaker 1: night that's unacceptable. All right, let's go and go. Whoever
Speaker 1: did the sound engineering on Adele? I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: I don't think. Let me tell you something. That's the
Speaker 1: that's the voice right now? And what you what? You
Speaker 1: couldn't wait? What was that strumming of the guitar. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. You better relax, get it right?
Speaker 1: How come this sound could be right for everyone else?
Speaker 1: How Come? How come I have to watch that? And
Speaker 1: if I didn't know better, I'm gonna walk away with
Speaker 1: that saying Taylor Swift as good a singer as Adelt,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Justin Bieber, also, what the heck stop it? Like? Make
Speaker 1: a joke? Like, honestly, I know the show must go on,
Speaker 1: but I don't think so. And honestly, she was so
Speaker 1: distracted in the first half. I felt for her so
Speaker 1: badly because she obviously couldn't wasn't breathing correctly for the
Speaker 1: second half. But I don't think it'll work. She's a
Speaker 1: consummate performer. Any haters that out there, I think that's
Speaker 1: gonna bring Adele down. I don't think so. I don't
Speaker 1: think I think you can stay. I think you can
Speaker 1: leave your credit at home when this one, honey, because
Speaker 1: Adell is here to stay and that song is really tough.
Speaker 1: So that's my I don't think so, honey. And that's
Speaker 1: one minute, wow, one minute amazing person. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because don't come for a doll.
Speaker 1: We'll come. Okay, you're at your time's out, your time
Speaker 1: times out. But I think I got it across. Here
Speaker 1: we go, here's here's mine. I don't think so, honry,
Speaker 1: and let me hold let me hold this for you.
Speaker 1: So we're going to hear something you have, what you
Speaker 1: want to talk about. For the most part, I think
Speaker 1: I have a theme. All right, Well, here we go. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. You know who I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. This this episode is gonna be Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: I love Taylor, love her to death, love her music,
Speaker 1: respectors and arts, but you know what, her behavior sometimes
Speaker 1: at award shows and this is not This does not
Speaker 1: have anything to do with respectability politics. She she can,
Speaker 1: she can behave as she chooses, but the way that
Speaker 1: she sort of holds these cards in her hand and
Speaker 1: shows them off on TV. And I don't think I
Speaker 1: don't think so. One of the friends, I don't think so, honey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's Ed Sheeran's moment, Honey, that's at Cheron's moment. Honey.
Speaker 1: Do you do not clutch onto Ed sheer and after
Speaker 1: he wins his award and then turn all to Selena
Speaker 1: Gomez and go, oh my god, I can't believe he
Speaker 1: want and like the cameras around you and the camera guy,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. It's not for Taylor, Honey. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. I don't And you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: The people who think that Taylor Swift is giving you
Speaker 1: this like authentic feminism's are your friends. She's not your friend, honey.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. She's our friends, she's our friends,
Speaker 1: but not yours she's Selena Gomez, his friend. And also
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, Selena. I don't think so honey,
Speaker 1: Selena Gomez, you know what, you can just ditch this
Speaker 1: thing and go to the actor one minute. I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey. So now what we're supposed to do
Speaker 1: is we're supposed to find an organic third, which I
Speaker 1: think we found it, kind of found it for with
Speaker 1: Selena Gomez. Do we want to go one man a
Speaker 1: heart at Selena, Let's go a woman in heart. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go on heart at Selena. We're gonna ask Joe
Speaker 1: to hold hold our thing, our our timer. So this
Speaker 1: is one minute. I don't think so honey, for Selena
Speaker 1: Gomez and go I don't think so honey. No, because
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. Let me say something right now.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. She gets on on that
Speaker 1: stage and like I know there's a lupus issue and
Speaker 1: I feel bad, maybe she's having a bad moment, but
Speaker 1: like she's whispering into them Mike doing the sexy baby thing,
Speaker 1: and it's like that's all yourself. I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: Anyone who does the sexy baby thing, I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey. And also I don't think so, honey. You
Speaker 1: know what about sleeping gums, the fact that she has
Speaker 1: not put her focus on her film career, because she's
Speaker 1: a very talented, very talented. And I don't think so,
Speaker 1: honey with the music, because we know it's just for money.
Speaker 1: And also I understand you're an industry, but guess what,
Speaker 1: we're not stupid. We're not stupid. We're not gonna thought
Speaker 1: for that. I don't think so. It's not even a
Speaker 1: j Loo thing. I don't think so, honey, because j
Speaker 1: Lo does have talent. She is busting her ass dancing.
Speaker 1: She is giving you performance, and you're not giving me performance.
Speaker 1: You'll give me performance on the film, on the celluloid.
Speaker 1: On the celluloid, you know what. You give me film,
Speaker 1: you give me, you give me performance and culture on
Speaker 1: spring Breakers, spring Breakers, it's a place on harmony, Korean films,
Speaker 1: on art house projects, please give me that. Also, big short,
Speaker 1: give me short, give me life, Selena, but you know what,
Speaker 1: Selena Gomas, do not give me life at the Grammys.
Speaker 1: I don't think thank you. That was the organic third.
Speaker 1: And now it's time for our culture of the week.
Speaker 1: We've gotten now to that moment meant where we pick
Speaker 1: out an institution or a you know, a cultural movement,
Speaker 1: something that's really killing it. And I think every week
Speaker 1: we can really expect versatility in this section. Yes, we're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna try to cast a wide net and
Speaker 1: just pull from different places and culture and society. So
Speaker 1: and not only is there a cultural leek on the
Speaker 1: flips that we have a fulture of the week, culture
Speaker 1: of the culture of the week, and so we're gonna
Speaker 1: we should mention that. Matt and I try to compare notes, um,
Speaker 1: but we don't always get to it. We don't always
Speaker 1: get to it. And sometimes we try not to have
Speaker 1: as much overlap. We try not to have overlap when possible,
Speaker 1: but sometimes, um, sometimes there is. And so let's just
Speaker 1: get into it. Sure, So would you like to go first? Sure? So,
Speaker 1: what's your culture of the week? What is surpassing what
Speaker 1: is elevating culture this week? Who? What? When? Where? Why? Please?
Speaker 1: Thank you? Matt, Um. I think what is really putting
Speaker 1: culture at the forefront this week? What is really just
Speaker 1: what is the rising tide that's lifting every boat in culture?
Speaker 1: Um is going to is it has to be the
Speaker 1: Turkey legs at Disney World, elaborate on that. So, how
Speaker 1: did it heighten your experience when you went there? So?
Speaker 1: Um for people who aren't familiar with the Disney parks, Um,
Speaker 1: at Disney World, every Disney most of the Disney parks
Speaker 1: saw these gigantic turkey legs, turkey legs dedicated stands throughout
Speaker 1: the park that basically only sell the turkey legs. The
Speaker 1: turkey legs stands. So you're gonna have your food stands,
Speaker 1: your beverage stands, but then you're gonna get your turkey.
Speaker 1: It's not unlike you'd see dipping dots or something like that. Exactly.
Speaker 1: Turkey legs, I would say, are the dipping dots of
Speaker 1: Disney World. Yes, so you would You know what? The
Speaker 1: way the way it improved my experience at Disney parks,
Speaker 1: or has improved them multiple times is um, Sometimes I'm hungry.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they need salt and protein and fat in my diet.
Speaker 1: Do you think they're too big? Absolutely not. If I
Speaker 1: thought they were too big, I would not They would
Speaker 1: not be my culture of the week. I don't think
Speaker 1: they're too big. I don't think so. Honey, do you
Speaker 1: feel that they might impede your experience on rides because
Speaker 1: you might be a little full, or you might have
Speaker 1: to be spending a lot of time meeting them. No, sweetie,
Speaker 1: because look, the turkey leg just is your marker for
Speaker 1: the day. I have at least three turkey legs in
Speaker 1: my day at disney World, just to denote the beginning,
Speaker 1: the middle of the end. And so you would have
Speaker 1: to keep you have to check yourself. You've got to
Speaker 1: keep you so you would continue eating them throughout the day. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: okay um. In addition to it's an additive food item
Speaker 1: to my meals, my brankficelenge, my dinner and drinks. Alcohol
Speaker 1: is as an adult, I get to experience Disney World
Speaker 1: with alcohol, like you know, part sanction alcohol, which is huge,
Speaker 1: not in the Magic Kingdom, but in the other parks.
Speaker 1: Magic Kingdom does sell beer at Cinderella's Cinderella's Castle, no
Speaker 1: bells enchanted. You know it's gonna take you quite quite
Speaker 1: some time to get a reservation there. I would say,
Speaker 1: I want to I just want to throw out there
Speaker 1: because you know, Bowen and I with our you know,
Speaker 1: you know, A friend of the show and future guest
Speaker 1: David Mason, New York City comedian pal. We all went
Speaker 1: to disney World together guest appearance by my sister Chelsea
Speaker 1: Ryan Rodgers, and we were there and we enjoyed all
Speaker 1: these pleasures, except we did not get to enjoy Bells
Speaker 1: Enchanted Tavern in the New Fantasyland. Because you're talking about
Speaker 1: a ten month wait for reservations. I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: when it opens up in the morning for breakfast to
Speaker 1: when it closes in all hours. It's booked up, booked
Speaker 1: ten six to ten months in advance. If you can
Speaker 1: believe that, I mean, hi, um, New York City, Like
Speaker 1: that's that's a Hamilton's Tech. That's crazy, that's nuts, And
Speaker 1: I thought it couldn't be real. It's real, it's real. Also,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite employees at Disney World, it's got
Speaker 1: to be the hostess at Bells and Chance Tavern. Who
Speaker 1: this is. Before we went together, I went to my
Speaker 1: sister and I walked up to this girl that was
Speaker 1: host there, and she's got a smile as big as
Speaker 1: the day is long, like greeting guests, like everyone the
Speaker 1: same thing, which is no, no, no no, and like
Speaker 1: everyone's so mad, so mad, to the point where I
Speaker 1: was like, they're treating her so badly. It's not her faults.
Speaker 1: And I had to my saster. I was like, what
Speaker 1: would make a person continue this job? Like there must
Speaker 1: be benefits or something, or maybe she's just actualized and
Speaker 1: likes it, and like, really, she's completely in a in
Speaker 1: a very um because the people that work at Disney,
Speaker 1: they do love it. They do love it. You know
Speaker 1: what that that? I think you're right, she's actualized in
Speaker 1: a in a Carl Union way. She's completely self actualized.
Speaker 1: I think, so, um, okay, well that's my culture of
Speaker 1: the week. What about yours? Um, so my culture of
Speaker 1: the week. This is crazy. But it was the Disney
Speaker 1: Turkey legs as well. Try not to overlap. I didn't
Speaker 1: think that you were going to go that way, but
Speaker 1: I was thinking, what if I enjoyed most over the
Speaker 1: last year of my life, because you know, this is
Speaker 1: the first episode and it was the Disney Turkey legs.
Speaker 1: I mean, they bring me back to a time when
Speaker 1: I was young where I think my father exposed me
Speaker 1: to the turkey legs for the first time in Apcot.
Speaker 1: Do you think they're too big? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't think they're too big, and I never feel that fall.
Speaker 1: But I would say, if I had want to complain
Speaker 1: about them, it's that they are a little messy. But
Speaker 1: then that doesn't bother me either, because then I have
Speaker 1: some more on my face. And if someone says you
Speaker 1: got a little turkular on your face, I just taken
Speaker 1: it and it's just like another snack. So for me,
Speaker 1: it's like and I don't feel that they're that they're overpriced.
Speaker 1: If you were going to ask me if I think
Speaker 1: they're overpriced, I think that the running the running price
Speaker 1: rate is seven dollars, I said I would pay for them.
Speaker 1: If they were twelve, I would pay upwards of thirty
Speaker 1: dollars for a turkey leg. I would say I would too,
Speaker 1: because you know where you are. You're in Disney, You're
Speaker 1: in Disney run, and you've got to expect to spend money.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're not going to expect to send
Speaker 1: money when you go there, I don't know what you're
Speaker 1: going there for. That is premium turkey, that is premium poultry.
Speaker 1: I just want to say, for anyone that might be
Speaker 1: planning in our land of vacation, you might be surprised
Speaker 1: about the price point Disney World versus Universal Studios because we,
Speaker 1: I think, thought it would be easier to fit Universal
Speaker 1: Studios Florida, or I should say Universal Orlando, because it's
Speaker 1: now a resort that rivals that of Disney into the
Speaker 1: same trip. And you know, we were at the Universal
Speaker 1: for one day and it was more expensive than the
Speaker 1: three days we were at Disney Disney World, you guys,
Speaker 1: no joke, No super affordable, super affordable. But meanwhile, and
Speaker 1: you would think this would be the reverse. Universal is
Speaker 1: big jogging in like crazy with this new Harry Potter
Speaker 1: park and they are just really really spiking up their prices.
Speaker 1: But content over at Universal, especially for older people. You know,
Speaker 1: you could say that's where you're going to get the
Speaker 1: bank for your buck. That's literally because you are paying
Speaker 1: for it. But they have the turkey legs. No they don't.
Speaker 1: And I just get a sense of childlike wonder and
Speaker 1: magic at Disney. All right, Fulter Fulter of the Week,
Speaker 1: why don't you go first? Okay, so my Fulter of
Speaker 1: Week field culture and this this is remember, this is
Speaker 1: going to be the opposite of what a turkey leg is.
Speaker 1: So the opposite of a turkey like at Disney World
Speaker 1: for me is Kanye West he has. He has just
Speaker 1: really been all over the map. And this this, this
Speaker 1: this campaign for for life of Pablo is the schizophrenic,
Speaker 1: I would say probably very like, you know, deliberate, but
Speaker 1: like god, it's so hard to follow. What's the biggest
Speaker 1: difference between what Kanye is doing and Disney is doing
Speaker 1: with the Turkey legs? Mm hmm. What Kanye is doing that?
Speaker 1: What Kanye isn't doing that. The Disney Turkey Legs are
Speaker 1: doing is um letting me into the world of the
Speaker 1: Turkey leg and Kanye is not doing that. What you
Speaker 1: feel like this is an exclusive almost squad like, almost
Speaker 1: squad like like, I don't think so, Honey, Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: I would completely transpose that to I don't think so,
Speaker 1: Kanye West. Look, this was Khalifa beef was not to follow.
Speaker 1: I was very down with Kanye liking but stuff, but
Speaker 1: then he but know, he shamed us all, He shamed
Speaker 1: us all, and then he denied the butt stuff. You
Speaker 1: know what stupid to do? Own the butt stuff, own
Speaker 1: the butt stuff or get the funk out. After amber
Speaker 1: Rose tweeted, I was like, you know what, No, I'm
Speaker 1: on Kanye side. He loves butt stuff, so do I
Speaker 1: don't stigmatize it. But then Kanye denies the butt stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't like that, because all you have to do
Speaker 1: is not respond. Don't say I don't do the butt stuff.
Speaker 1: I keep that out of there, like you treat it
Speaker 1: like it's disgusting, and we all feel disgusted, and then
Speaker 1: everyone thinks and then this communities will think it's disgusting. Also.
Speaker 1: I just want to say that you can be a
Speaker 1: genius and also be a misogynist. Absolutely, We've seen many
Speaker 1: of them throughout the years. Hello, and I think Bill
Speaker 1: Cosby innocent, Bill Cosby similar similar. Well, I don't know
Speaker 1: that's a big but it's a big jump. But I
Speaker 1: would say, I would say that Kanye West is not
Speaker 1: someone I would look at, and I would say, guy
Speaker 1: respects women. I just went, no, he doesn't. And I
Speaker 1: think there's a big Bernie bro esque type problem happened
Speaker 1: towards Taylor Swift right now, which is this thing of
Speaker 1: like people upset about her kind of saying shade shading
Speaker 1: Kanye West with her Album of the Year acceptance speech. No,
Speaker 1: she's just sticking up for herself because he called her
Speaker 1: a bit and said, and that's that's a misogynistic behavior
Speaker 1: and it should be called out. Don't you love it
Speaker 1: when they can also be a genius and you can
Speaker 1: enjoy his music, But don't get piste that she said something.
Speaker 1: Don't you love it when men? Um? I think they've
Speaker 1: invented someone. That's that's what I love. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean no, I'm like I love Kanye West. I love
Speaker 1: and the album is good. I think that Absolutely, it's good.
Speaker 1: Absolutely was always going to be good. He's always going
Speaker 1: to create great music and create great art. But you
Speaker 1: know him being a missogyst mutually exclusive and he's not
Speaker 1: given me turkey leg. You know what, Kanye give us
Speaker 1: turkey leg? In a paragraph, how could the Grammys have improved? Yes, um,
Speaker 1: this is our job as culture consultants. The Grammates could
Speaker 1: have been improved by um more more thoughtful performance ideas
Speaker 1: and concepts, and just an outward, very uh over overt
Speaker 1: statement that this is a populist competition. That's that, that's that,
Speaker 1: that's my that's my little soundpie. So you think going
Speaker 1: in knowing this is a populist capitalist moment, I've got
Speaker 1: to think about what makes the industry money. This is
Speaker 1: an industry event. Maybe a little bit more forward. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, we we didn't even talk about the Hamiltons
Speaker 1: and the Kendrick Lamar performances, but those two, you know what,
Speaker 1: I need more moments like those. Yeah. Watching us back
Speaker 1: to back, I was like, Wow, this is you know
Speaker 1: what the Grammys are are a good award show because
Speaker 1: you get amazing moments like this because yes, So what
Speaker 1: I want to see is I want to seem more
Speaker 1: true talent. Yes, because you watched Hamilton and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this this is what talent and you get the hype
Speaker 1: Brown Hamilton after you watch it. So that's it. It's
Speaker 1: like my thing with the Grammy says, It's like, you
Speaker 1: know what, Grammys, make me believe the hype? How about
Speaker 1: that culture? Culture lesson number four sixty seven, Make me believe,
Speaker 1: make me believe the hype you hyped, Make me believe
Speaker 1: the hype. Honey. I think we've really come to some
Speaker 1: great conclusions about the Grammys in the state of the
Speaker 1: music industry here today, I think we should all be
Speaker 1: really excited about the piece of merch that we have now.
Speaker 1: At the end of the show, It's rule number one
Speaker 1: when it comes to cultures to culture, don't ask don't ask,
Speaker 1: don't tell. Well, ding dung everybody. This has been less
Speaker 1: culturalistist or culture consultant. This guys, my name is Matt Rogers,
Speaker 1: my name is Bowen Yang. This is less culture Resist
Speaker 1: and we will see you the next episode. We'll have
Speaker 1: a special guest and we'll have fun, fun, fun, will
Speaker 1: be taking it down, will be turning it now, will
Speaker 1: be creating I Go Fever. This has been a Forever
Speaker 1: Dog production executive produced by Joe Cilio, Alex Ramsay, and
Speaker 1: Brett Bohm. For more podcasts, please visit Forever Dog Productions
Speaker 1: dot com o Dog