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Speaker 2: Alongside him is Sterling K. Brown, the Emmy winning actor

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Speaker 3: A black man is currently blessing. It's a deeper shade

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Speaker 2: From faith, to fatherhood to forgiveness. They share the turning

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Speaker 1: And forgiveness is not condoning bad behavior from another person.

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Speaker 3: It was in the airport and there's a storyline on

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Speaker 1: Who live in you look at the world as it

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Speaker 4: Welcome to my legacy. Today, we're joined by one of

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Speaker 4: Reverend beckwith, would you mind introducing who's your plus one today?

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Speaker 1: A plus one you're looking at, Brother Sterling K. Brown

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Speaker 3: Bless you, bless you all, thank you all for having me.

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Speaker 1: Right, Wow, that's amazing, beautiful description of a gape man

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Speaker 5: Now back to my legacy, and I know that so

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Speaker 5: We're gonna I'm gonna go to phenomenal women because I

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Speaker 1: not gonna a woman a mother, and everyone does have

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Speaker 1: to be a mother to have this, to have this frequency.

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Speaker 1: But she's not gonna love one child more than she

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Speaker 1: loves another child. She's always created a community. And I

440
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Speaker 1: think with the rise of the feminine in women, and

441
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Speaker 1: you'll see a different world. You won't see the my

442
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Speaker 1: country first, my country right or wrong consciousness. You'll see

443
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: you know, as you're as as as Modern's father talked about.

444
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 1: You know, this is a global community. We're all world citizens.

445
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Speaker 1: And I think women bring that kind of nurturing compassion

446
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Speaker 1: because they don't see just separate parts. They see the whole,

447
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,719
Speaker 1: They see family, they see community, and I think that

448
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Speaker 1: is extremely important, particularly at this time in human history

449
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 1: where where it could be on the verge of another

450
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: war based on a saber rattling and might makes right consciousness,

451
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Speaker 1: which is an old masculine frequency.

452
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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 1: Women, you know, I don't want to be stereotypical, but

454
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Speaker 1: they have a very strong vibration of caretaking. They caretake,

455
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Speaker 1: they want to bring peace, you see. And sometimes the

456
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Speaker 1: masculine energy is more led by an individual in the

457
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Speaker 1: rough individualism, which can create separation and we see that

458
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Speaker 1: on an international scene at this time. So you know,

459
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Speaker 1: I always tell people you know, uh, they'll be I say,

460
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: you listen to your women. You know she noticed something.

461
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: He's catching something intuitively, you know, Nick and Martin look

462
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: at his wife.

463
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Speaker 5: I thought that it was very fascinating recently that the

464
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Speaker 5: Godfather of Ai, you know, made headlines by saying that

465
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 5: Ai can be saved and only can be saved by

466
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Speaker 5: some type of way, integrating maternal instinct into it. And

467
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 5: so I think that there's a lot of wisdom in that.

468
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 5: I think it is time for all of us to

469
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Speaker 5: fight like mothers and brother like you said, like whether

470
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Speaker 5: you have a physical child or not, but you know,

471
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Speaker 5: to fight with that sense of unity, with that sense

472
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Speaker 5: of for the community, with the sense of compassion, with

473
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Speaker 5: that sense of ferociousness but protectiveness, with that sense of creation,

474
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Speaker 5: with that sense of looking not only remembering seven generations past,

475
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Speaker 5: but looking seven generations forward, with the nurturing.

476
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Speaker 3: And I often hear the Rev talking about, you know,

477
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Speaker 3: everyone embracing the divine, feminine, feminine within themselves, right male

478
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 3: or female, right, and the idea which used to be

479
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: anathema to me from a different paradigm is like, why

480
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: would I embrace anything that's femine. I'm a man. You

481
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: can be a man and be in touch with your

482
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Speaker 3: femine feminine. Your femine is creative, your feminine is powerful,

483
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 3: your feminine is nurturing, right, and sort of trying to

484
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 3: divide yourself. You know, there is unity in accepting and

485
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Speaker 3: embracing all of who you are.

486
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Speaker 1: But that's the truth. That's the truth. Everyone has both energies, yes, yeah,

487
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: and you know we have to have to embrace them,

488
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: both of the perfectly whole human sterling.

489
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Speaker 6: You and your wife Ryan are this amazingly powerful Hollywood

490
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 6: couple and you did a podcast together. We don't always agree.

491
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 5: For here, you said that love when he looks over

492
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 5: here at me.

493
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Speaker 6: So what is the most important thing you've learned about

494
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Speaker 6: navigating conflict with your partner.

495
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 3: That's a good question. I mean that that conflict or

496
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: confrontation is a natural part of relationship, right, It's not

497
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 3: something to be avoided. I actually find that when you

498
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: avoid confrontation, whatever the sort of underlying issue that you

499
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 3: wanted to address becomes bigger rather than smaller. And so

500
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 3: whatever is uncomfortable about a conversation pales in comparison to

501
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 3: the discomfort that comes from not having the conversation right.

502
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: Talk to each other, like even if you upset and

503
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: you're frustrated, et cetera. In the midst of that, find

504
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 3: a way to take a breath, come to each other

505
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: in love with nobody trying to win or lose, and

506
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 3: we call it. We don't always agree because we don't,

507
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 3: but nobody has to be a winner in it or

508
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 3: a loser. We just have to reach a place of

509
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 3: understanding with each other. I think the biggest thing the

510
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 3: problems for us have always been biggest when we stop talking.

511
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 3: Stay in relationships, stay in communication, Like even when it's uncomfortable,

512
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 3: just stay there, breathe through it. Nothing bad is going

513
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 3: to come from it. Tough things come when you start

514
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 3: to walk away from each other. Just stay here, stay

515
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 3: in the space together. That's been the big one.

516
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Speaker 6: You both met at Stanford and have certainly been together

517
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 6: ever since. What's one small thing that you still do

518
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 6: for each other that keeps the sparkerlive.

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Speaker 3: One of the biggest things for my wife and I

520
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 3: truly is that we laugh hard together. She's one of

521
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 3: the funniest people that I know she is funny, she

522
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 3: is hysterical, and we can laugh, and we can. And

523
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 3: part of the podcast was us being able to look

524
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 3: back on different parts of our life that, while we

525
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: were in the midst of them, were sort of difficult

526
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 3: to discuss, but we were sort of delighted to find that, like, oh,

527
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 3: we've actually made it to the other side. We can

528
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 3: look back and actually have a sense of humor about

529
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 3: who we were at age twenty two, twenty five, et cetera,

530
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 3: et cetera. Like that was an absolute joy to discover.

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Speaker 3: So our ability to laugh with each other and to

532
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 3: make each other laugh has been a saving grace, Like

533
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 3: it's been wonderful.

534
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Speaker 5: Now back to my legacy.

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Speaker 4: I want to ask both of you actually about an

540
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 4: incredibly important part of who you are and all of

541
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Speaker 4: us in fact. So we're all parents. I got three boys.

542
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Speaker 4: They keep me, keep me busy, and so when I

543
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 4: like five children, Oh my god, they're like human tornadoes,

544
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 4: like God blessom. I love them. I love them, but

545
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 4: you know, so I'm going to ask each of you.

546
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Speaker 4: I'm actually gonna start with Rev. Reverend back with you're

547
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Speaker 4: not only a father, you're a grandfather. So I'm curious,

548
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Speaker 4: what advice did you give your own children on raising children?

549
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Speaker 4: And did they listen to you?

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Speaker 1: Did they actually listen the success of a when you're

551
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Speaker 1: a parent, when the child has they have a good

552
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: heart that on the planet, they're not going to bring

553
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: mess on the planet. They're going to be open hearted.

554
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: They're going to be compassionate, be kind and find their

555
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: particular gifted area of which they're going to share in

556
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Speaker 1: the planet. So I look back and I look at

557
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: them now they're both adults. They are within their own

558
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: groups because they're like they're like how many they're like

559
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: nine ten years apart. They are like the spiritual leaders

560
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: of their own peers.

561
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 3: You know.

562
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: And and they got at osmosis. I just noticed that,

563
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: you know them were upfront with it now, but it

564
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: just kind of an osmosis. They're the person that brings

565
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: people back. Oh, we should sit down and we should

566
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: vision about this, or we should have this idea about this,

567
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: you know, and and so maybe they didn't listen at first,

568
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: but it got in there anyway. And so now it

569
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: does my heart good when I actually I see the matagape.

570
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: They're a part of the community and in very powerful ways.

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00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: And I didn't force them to do that. And maybe

572
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: as a child I forced them to come to church,

573
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: you know, but now they're adults, that's their own choice.

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Speaker 1: They love being there, they love being in the energy,

575
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: so they're they're there. I can really say that they

576
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: are really good people. Their trustworthy, they're honest, they have integrity.

577
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: Those are very great qualities. And my oldest son, he

578
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: has three boys, who okay, so I have three grand

579
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Speaker 1: he has three boys. I have three grandchildren and the

580
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Speaker 1: oldest grandchildren has two children.

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Speaker 3: You great grandchildren.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm out in myself.

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Speaker 4: So sterling. By the way, the last time that Rev

584
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Speaker 4: and I were at at a basketball game together, I

585
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 4: kept asking him, so I'm gonna say this, because he

586
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 4: wouldn't give an answer. I was like, Rev, how old are you, sir?

587
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 4: Question totally impolite, I understand, I totally applayed, and he

588
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 4: never gave me an answer.

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Speaker 1: My interest in age age isn't interested in me. Age

590
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: is just a number of minds unlisted. So only because

591
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: people will look at you a certain way.

592
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 3: Sure you know what I mean, don't.

593
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Speaker 1: I don't need to. I don't need to transcend how

594
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: other people think about me. I'm just time this ageless

595
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: in eternals how I vibe in myself?

596
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Speaker 4: So sterling, and I love your response because I know

597
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 4: you have two boys. Yeah, what has being a father

598
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 4: taught you about yourself?

599
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Speaker 3: It is? It is the role that I've always looked

600
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: for too. Since I was a kid, I was being

601
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Speaker 3: a dad. I think I have an older brother and

602
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: an older sister, so I was a young uncle. I

603
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: got six nieces and nephews, and I would be fourteen

604
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: like taking kids to church and everything, and I, you know,

605
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: have like strollers and blankets and bottles and stuff. I

606
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: as one of those rare dudes who just loves children,

607
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: and I still do now with my youngest I helped

608
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: coach his basketball team and his flag football team. My

609
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: oldest son is playing soccer, but I used to help

610
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Speaker 3: out there as well. What I learned about myself, I

611
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: think a lot of it has to do with the

612
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: fact that my pops passed away when I was fairly young.

613
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 3: I was ten years old, and I thought that he

614
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 3: did a great job. He because in an era of

615
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: men where loving unabashedly wasn't necessarily in fashion, he didn't

616
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Speaker 3: care like my dad would kiss me on the lips,

617
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 3: so whatnot. I remember one time, I was like eight

618
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: and a half or something, and you go, all right, boy,

619
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Speaker 3: get your dad a kiss. And I'd be like, I

620
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 3: go for the cheek, and you were you too old

621
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 3: to get your dad to kiss. I'm like, oh, right, man,

622
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 3: let's keep it moving, you know what I'm saying. But

623
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Speaker 3: he he just loved me in such a beautiful way.

624
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 3: And I tell people that, even though he's been gone

625
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: for almost forty years now, like the reservoir of love

626
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 3: that I have in my soul, I carry with me

627
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: and I'm able to pour from that cup into these

628
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: beautiful boys that I have as well. Right, so, I think,

629
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Speaker 3: what you learned, and this is because I have too.

630
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 3: I did have this one thought. I don't know if

631
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Speaker 3: anybody ever had this thought, but the second one, and

632
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: or of the third probably was just the seconde. I

633
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: love this one as much as I love the first one. Right,

634
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: they have this just for a second, and then they

635
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 3: showed up like that's a dumb thing. This you never

636
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: run out of it. Like the more you have it,

637
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 3: the more you have to give, and the more it

638
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 3: just keeps filling up, right, and so like in terms

639
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 3: of that lost scarcity that we talk about, rev hoarding

640
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,959
Speaker 3: doesn't give you more of something, It keeps you cut

641
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 3: off from the flow that is meant to sort of

642
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: just circulate within your life. And that could be money

643
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 3: that could be loved, that could be anything like let

644
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: it go, let it out, share it as much as possible,

645
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 3: and you find yourself inundated with more than you had

646
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 3: to that you could have ever imagined.

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00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 5: It's beautiful because I'm sitting here literally in a circle

648
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 5: of all fathers. So it's really beautiful to witness the

649
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 5: love of fathers. And actually, Craig, it kind of reminded

650
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 5: me his story about his father kissing him reminded me

651
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 5: about the story that you shared. Craig and his brother

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Speaker 5: Mark recently their father recently transitioned and we went to

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Speaker 5: his memorial service and you shared that story. Can you

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Speaker 5: please like share the story about the kiss every mother.

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Speaker 4: Every night, every night he would always kiss me on

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Speaker 4: my forehead before you know, I went to sleep, and

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Speaker 4: eventually Sterling, kind of like yourself.

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Speaker 1: I came up an age where I was like, Dad.

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Speaker 4: You know, you know, and he said, okay, Well he

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Speaker 4: bent down his forehead and he let me kiss him

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Speaker 4: on his forehead instead. When I became too tall, and

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Speaker 4: every night before i'd go to sleep, he would just

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Speaker 4: you know. I now do that with my kids. Every

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Speaker 4: night before they go to bed, I say I love you,

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Speaker 4: I love you, I love you some more, and may

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Speaker 4: God always protect you no matter what. Every night with

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Speaker 4: my boys.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you still kissed your father off his forehead

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Speaker 5: until he until just.

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Speaker 4: The day he passed, In fact, the hospitals just with

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Speaker 4: the night transitioned. That was my final kiss.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my transitioning.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: When my boys go to bed, the youngest one has

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Speaker 3: no problem kissing me. He'd give me a kiss. He'll

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Speaker 3: kiss me easily until the day I transition over to

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Speaker 3: the other side of the veil. The eldest still will

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Speaker 3: try to pull away. But if you get them right

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Speaker 3: at bedtime, put up any resistance and you step up

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Speaker 3: to his bunk and you just lean over, he'll be like.

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Speaker 5: So we've been talking about the best, most tender moments

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Speaker 5: of families, but we all seen in recent times that

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Speaker 5: politics has really torn some family and friends apart in

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Speaker 5: recent years. And Rev, I know that you've said that

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Speaker 5: a lack of forgiveness is a high form of self abuse.

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Speaker 5: What did you mean by that? And how do we

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Speaker 5: all find the courage to forgive when it feels impossible.

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Speaker 1: To answer that question? We have to understand what forgiveness is,

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Speaker 1: and forgiveness is not condoning bad behavior from another person.

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Speaker 1: Forgiveness is releasing the toxicity that flows through our own

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Speaker 1: spiritual veins. Hate, resentment, animosity. Those create toxic chemicals in

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Speaker 1: the body temple which debilitate us physically and psychologically. So

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Speaker 1: forgiveness frees us from a prison that we have created.

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Speaker 1: So it's not about condoning somebody else and saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to look the other way based on

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Speaker 1: what you've done it. I'm not going to allow what

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Speaker 1: you have done or said to take me down. So

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Speaker 1: a lack of forgiveness is a high form of self

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Speaker 1: abuse because we're abusing ourselves. And so when you understand that,

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Speaker 1: it's not about courage, it's about self love again, and

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Speaker 1: then you're able to have a level of clarity as

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Speaker 1: to what right action is in that particular situation. You

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Speaker 1: can't have clarity if your mind is clouded with eight

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Speaker 1: or resentment or animosity. But as that and I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying this is an easy thing, because people have done

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Speaker 1: heineous things, you know, but it's definitely a part of

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Speaker 1: the process. I mean, Martin's father was a strong affgating

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Speaker 1: practitioner of this, making sure that we turn enemies into friends.

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't happen without forgiveness. It's an impossibility. And

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Speaker 1: we just so we have to have more and more

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Speaker 1: moral leadership that rises to that level. I mean recently,

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Speaker 1: we just saw, you know, at that memorl service, one

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Speaker 1: person forgiving their enemies and the one that's supposed to

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Speaker 1: unify us saying I'm going to hate my entities and

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Speaker 1: take them down.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's it's like there was the shining example of a

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Speaker 1: maturity and immaturity screaming at us right there on national television.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: So, so forgiveness is powerful, and when one can grow

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Speaker 1: into the consciousness of forgiveness, one can be free, an

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Speaker 1: escape from the limited perceptions of life. It's necessary to grow.

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Speaker 1: And you know, every every spiritual path with heart has

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Speaker 1: some level of forgiveness in it, some level of making amends,

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Speaker 1: some levels of introspection and for giving one's self for

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Speaker 1: the misdeeds or missteps or things that should have been

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Speaker 1: said or that were said that hurts somebody. Every path

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Speaker 1: has a way of going in and trying to clear

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Speaker 1: that up because it's all energy. It's all energy, you see.

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Speaker 5: Well, speaking of conditioning your mind, rev you even your

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Speaker 5: podcast is take back your mind, so you have your constantly.

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Speaker 1: For a podcast. I'm going to put that out there.

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Speaker 4: Actually, that's a phenomenal name.

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Speaker 5: So your words and teachings have inspired and healed millions

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Speaker 5: around the world. And you know, I know that you

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Speaker 5: must hear countless stories about the impact that you've had.

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Speaker 5: Is there one story in particular or that you carry

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Speaker 5: with you, you know, doctor King, I've heard your mother

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Speaker 5: say that he would preach himself out of depression sometimes

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Speaker 5: when he you know, so we all, you know, have

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Speaker 5: moments of heaviness. Is there one story that you carry

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Speaker 5: with you to give you encouragement when you need that

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Speaker 5: encouragement for yourself.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot for some reason. I'm in a

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Speaker 1: season of getting a lot of feedback from people all

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Speaker 1: around the world everywhere I go with interesting stories of

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Speaker 1: transformation or healings and things of that particular nature. And

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Speaker 1: that might just be because of my receptivity.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. They may have been going on all.

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Speaker 1: The time, but just so many stories you got me

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Speaker 1: through COVID, this this type of thing. There's one story

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Speaker 1: of a woman who was passing over from a brain

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Speaker 1: tumor and she's in her house. She was in the

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Speaker 1: hospital and her family. She liked the gape, and her

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Speaker 1: family put a cassette player or CD player in her

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Speaker 1: room and it started playing my sermons. She got up

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Speaker 1: and left the hospital. That brain tumor disappeared. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying I did that, but her receptivity and her faith

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Speaker 1: and utilizing that that vibration of the word helped her.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of stories that are coming to

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Speaker 1: me now that I guess just to give me a

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Speaker 1: level of you're doing okay, keep going, you know, within

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Speaker 1: my own you know, within my own space, because you know,

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Speaker 1: when in a community is.

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Speaker 4: Not an easy thing.

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Speaker 1: People see, people see a Sunday talk, but they have

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Speaker 1: no idea, what's going on in a community and staffing

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Speaker 1: and finances and this and that and the other. You

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Speaker 1: know that has to go on, and so it was

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Speaker 1: it may be just an impetus for my own soul,

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Speaker 1: you know, to hear these stories.

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Speaker 4: People need inspiration. People are craving inspiration, and they crave

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Speaker 4: it from the pulpit, they crave it from the screens.

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Speaker 4: And my wife and I we would sit together and

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Speaker 4: actually watch This is Us your of course Emmy Award winning.

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Speaker 4: I got to point that out role in you know,

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Speaker 4: as you mentioned Randall Pearson on the show, what is

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Speaker 4: the most meaningful conversation that anyone's walked up to? And

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Speaker 4: they said how that role resonated with them and how

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Speaker 4: it impacted them.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, there's a lot. There's a lot Craig like people,

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Speaker 3: people roll up on your boy and it's like, can

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Speaker 3: I have a hug? Like That's like, that's one thing.

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Speaker 3: I had a lot of shows ilicit you know, Paradise

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Speaker 3: doesn't elicit hugs, but This is Us does. But there

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Speaker 3: there was a moment. There's a few, but one that

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Speaker 3: really touched my soul. I was in the airport and

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Speaker 3: there's a storyline on this is us where our eldest

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Speaker 3: biological daughter comes out as she may be Bye or gay,

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Speaker 3: et cetera. And this woman comes up to us, a

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Speaker 3: black woman, and she sees me and she said, I

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Speaker 3: did not have the same love of grace that you

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Speaker 3: and Beth had when my daughter came out to me,

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Speaker 3: but I know that I can do better. And she

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Speaker 3: just walked and she said thank you, and she kept

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Speaker 3: on going, and I was like, you know, you forget.

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Speaker 3: They're like, I'm doing a little show and I think

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Speaker 3: it's nice and it has some residence whatnot. But then

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Speaker 3: you see like real sort of tangible things like that,

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Speaker 3: and you're like, thank you God for allowing me to

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Speaker 3: be of service and that, Oh my god. You know,

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Speaker 3: I tell you a quick story. My daughter and her mother.

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Speaker 3: Her mother was sick and passing over.

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Speaker 1: We did we didn't really know how fast she was

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Speaker 1: going to pass over. But the storyline in there about

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Speaker 1: the mother and daughter healing. Yeah, they watched that together

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Speaker 1: and it opened up a conversation that they never had

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Speaker 1: as adults about the mother and my childrens, her background,

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Speaker 1: her past, her mother, and how she became who she became.

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Speaker 1: It just opened up this beautiful conversation. They bonded so

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Speaker 1: completely before she passed over. They watched that together and

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Speaker 1: it just opened them up, changed both their lives.

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Speaker 3: It was It was one of those things where people

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Speaker 3: would tell us, like, we rarely watch shows every week,

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Speaker 3: and sometimes I watch them by myself, but like me

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Speaker 3: and my family sit down and we watch your show.

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Speaker 3: I would hear that many many times, and I think,

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Speaker 3: especially as divisive as things are seemingly right now, it

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Speaker 3: was nice to add a little bit of unity to

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Speaker 3: the world, to the country. Wow.

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Speaker 4: What a beautiful story. The extraordinary Reverend Michael beckwith the

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Speaker 4: equally extraordinary Sterling K. Brown. Gentlemen, thank you for guiding

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Speaker 4: us in a conversation of spirit, soul and wisdom, turning

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Speaker 4: points forgiveness, the divine conspiracy of success, lessons of faith,

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Speaker 4: power of storytelling. Most importantly, even the darkest hour's life

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Speaker 4: can be chosen and love can be lived. Gentlemen, Thank

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Speaker 4: you for living your legacies.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having us. Man. This has been a

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Speaker 3: thank you for the invitation.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for thank you for letting me bring an

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Speaker 1: extraordinary plus one.

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Speaker 3: I've never been a plus one before. You are the one.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys very much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all so much.

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