1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up 2 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: straight Fire? Bam, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fired for Thursday, 3 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: December twenty nine. We have a monster podcast today. Great 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: guest Pat forty, you know him from ESPN. He's now 5 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: in Sports Illustrated previewing the National Semifinals Saturday. Great day 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: in college football Saturday Sunday obviously nfls packed. But first 7 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: before we have any talk about college football, we gotta 8 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: get to Rob G's Raiders. Oh boy, listen, sometimes you're 9 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: on something early and you have a direct hit and 10 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: you feel good. I mean, you're ahead of everybody on this. 11 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: And I have been beating the drum about Derek Carr 12 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: the out in the off season, how poorly he played. 13 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: You can even look up the tweet that I had 14 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks go in that Patriots game where 15 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: he threw that abomination of a pick six. Okay, and 16 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: I said, I'm surprised. I was surprised McDaniels didn't bench 17 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: him like that was the kind of thing that like 18 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: flipped the game. And McDaniels announced on Wednesday that he 19 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: had had enough of Derek Carr and he was going 20 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: to the bench benching a guy you just gave a 21 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: twenty million dollar extension to, like six months ago, maybe 22 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: seven months Rob. Obviously we had to. I was gonna 23 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: do an emergency podcast instantly right after, but I wanted 24 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: to let it settle, let Rob sleep on it before 25 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: he says anything irrational. Longtime Raiders fan, he liked Derek Car. 26 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: He even we talked about Derek car twice this week. 27 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: It was as if we knew this was coming, and folks, 28 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: I need to turn it over to Rob just to 29 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: see how he's handling the Derek Carr news. Well, not well, obviously. 30 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: I mean, look, we talked about this a few times 31 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: this week already. I have no issue with moving off 32 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: from Derek Carr. I get it. You know, if he 33 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: hasn't want to play off game by now, I understand 34 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: the problem then is who are you gonna get that's 35 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: gonna be an upgrade. It's not gonna be Tom Brady. 36 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: He's all caps washed. Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. 37 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: You're saying you think he's watched, but you don't think 38 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: they would they would go after him. Oh I think 39 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: they would. But I don't think it's an upgrade, you 40 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: know what I mean? I don't Can you get Aaron Rodgers? 41 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: Maybe I doubt it. Are you willing to give up 42 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: all your draft picks again after just doing it to 43 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: get Davante Adams to get Lamar Jackson? Maybe I don't know. 44 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: But the way this all went down to me, screams 45 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels is trying to save his own ass by 46 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: getting rid of the quarterback under the guise of wall 47 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: I need a guy to fit my system, So let 48 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: me draft a project. Because you're not gonna be able 49 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: to get C. J. Stroud or Bryce Young. I don't 50 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: think where they're gonna be picking. Let's get a Will Levis. 51 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: Let's get an Anthony Richardson project. You know, big strong, 52 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: look the type guys who realistically are not ready to 53 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: play in the NFL. So now we're gonna suck for 54 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: another three years while he quote unquote develops them. And 55 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: it is what it is. It's just it's frustrating to 56 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: know that the Raiders are going to continue to suck 57 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future. I don't like it. Yeah, it's 58 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: got to be disappointing as a Raiders fan. You go 59 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: to the playoffs last year with the interim coach, I 60 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 1: know they kind of snuck in negative point differential, blah 61 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: blah blah. You upgrade theoretically a coach with McDaniels, You 62 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: upgrade at receiver obviously with Davante Adams. I mean, I 63 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: still remember the day you guys got Adams, and I 64 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: think we were on the podcast like who's stopping this offense? 65 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: Third and Renfro, Josh Jacobs, Darren Waller, and it has 66 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: just been one disaster after another now, Rob, I know 67 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: this is not gonna be popular. I actually didn't like 68 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: the timing of the benching because I'm gonna ask you this. 69 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: If you are a team in need of a quarterback, 70 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: say my Jets. Okay, let's say you are Pittsburgh would 71 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: probably use a quarterback, although they probably stick with Pickett Atlanta, Tennessee. 72 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys out there, at least ten 73 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: teams in the market for a clearative quarterback. If you 74 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: know damn well that the Raiders are gonna be cutting 75 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: Derek Carr releasing him if they have no deals that 76 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: they like due to us, I think it's three days 77 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: after the regular season is when his big big money 78 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: bowl after the super Bowl, sorry, after the super Bowl, 79 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: the big money kicks in, so they're gonna try to 80 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: trade him. But if not, then they're gonna release it. Now. 81 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: If I'm a team wanting a quarterback, rob My asking 82 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: price just dropped dramatically because I know you're not keeping 83 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: him under any circumstances right unless you can get this 84 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: bidding war. You can McDaniels can create some bidding war 85 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: out of thin air where all of a sudden it's like, oh, 86 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: well this team and that team and oh they what 87 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: you know. I'm sure they're gonna use reporters. I'm not 88 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: gonna say any names, but when you're saying two seconds 89 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: is the asking price or some garbage like that, nobody's 90 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: giving up two seconds for Derek Carr. I know Russell 91 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: will Wison fetched what was it, five picks and three 92 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: players that you're not getting anything like that, and obviously 93 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: it's looking like Russell Wilson was overpaid. Rob. I don't know. 94 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: If I'm the Jets, you know, Zach Wilson, we're done 95 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: with him. Mike Whites our guy, But you know what, 96 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: I'll call up and see, can Derek Carby had for 97 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: a six this year and a six next year, and 98 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean he's gonna hit the market, and 99 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: then it becomes like, well, what do you want a 100 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: bid for this guy? Right? Yeah? Well, the one thing 101 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: that Derek Carr did do right with his contract or 102 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: his agents at least, is they gave him a no 103 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: trade clause. So if I'm Derek Carr, what I'm telling 104 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: my agents is, let's defer the guaranteed money deadline rather 105 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: than being the third Let's push it out until the 106 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: drafts or whatever, you know, day you pick to ensure 107 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: that you can dictate where you go and you get 108 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: the salary that you're looking for, because if they cut him, 109 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: there's no way he's going to get anything close to 110 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: the forty million dollars he currently has coming to him. 111 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: So if I'm him, I'm saying, let's push it off 112 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: to April or whatever it is, and I pick where 113 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: I want to go. Um, I think that do you 114 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: brought up a hatful of team? I think that makes sense, Tennessee. 115 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: I think the Jets I think actually would be the 116 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: favorites if I had picked today, would be the Jets. Um. 117 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: I could see him saying, let's wait, push it off. 118 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: So that way, when I negotiate this trade, rather than 119 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: me taking twenty million dollars off, I can do it 120 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: taking ten million dollars off the deal, you know what 121 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: I mean, just so I can go where I want 122 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: to go. So hold on, Jimmy Garoppolo. Will he get 123 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: thirty million a year? No? I mean Dak Prescott's making 124 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: forty something. Yeah, but Jimmy's injury history, and that's the reason. 125 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: That's the only reason I actually think thirties like a discount. 126 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: I know that sounds crazy, Okay, So if jim what's 127 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: Jimmy getting twenty? Probably? Yeah, what's Derrek Car getting? He 128 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: doesn't have an injury history, he's coming off the worst years. Yeah, 129 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna get like thirty. I think he's 130 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: gonna be the crown jewels, so to speak of the 131 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: free agent class or whatever, the trade trade market of quarterbacks. 132 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: It is interesting, Car, I think is older than Jimmy G. 133 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: But Jimmy G does have the injury history. But memory 134 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: serves Cars never won a playoff game. Jimmy G has 135 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: been on a team that has made some playoff runs. Correct. Um, Yeah, 136 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: I don't. This is a tough one. Those two are 137 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: the cream of the crop. I don't even know if 138 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: there's a third like Ryan Tannehill. I'm I'm I'm just 139 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: I'm not in on that guy. Um, you know, I 140 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: don't think Daniel Jones is in that class of you know, 141 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: do we look at Daniel Jones? Um? Yeah, this is 142 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: gonna be very interesting. Um So why I just gotta 143 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: go back to Tom Brady. I personally, I think it'll 144 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: be Brady. I don't think McDaniels would do this if 145 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: he didn't have a game plan. And I don't think 146 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: the game plan involves like a rookie quarterback like Will 147 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: Levis or something. Um that those guys just take a 148 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: little while to get up to speed. And I don't 149 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: know McDaniels has a lot of time or if he's 150 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: gonna feel under the gun. Remember how long did he 151 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: last in Denver? Was it like thirty games? And yeah 152 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: even thirty So I mean, I know the Raiders don't 153 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: want to fire him, but it's like, listen, they're gonna 154 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: have to get a quarterback. And other than Jimmy g 155 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: and Brady, I mean, who who does McDaniels know, who's 156 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: obviously gonna want to go through with McDaniels if you 157 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: don't have that history exactly. Well, that's one thing that 158 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels does have in his favor is he and 159 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: the g M are a package deal. So they came together. 160 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: Um that would allow you, I guess, to have a 161 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: longer rebuild than some other coaches might who where, especially 162 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: if the GM didn't pick the coach you know, something 163 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: like that that you that use that's happened throughout the NFL. 164 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: The other thing he has going for him is that 165 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: Mark Davis is the poorest billionaire there is, if there's 166 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: such a thing, right like, he he doesn't actually have 167 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: the cash assets to keep paying off new coaches. He's 168 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: one of those guys who's leveraged so deep and he 169 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: has so many, you know, contributors to his franchise that 170 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: he liked. The Charger Z owner can't just afford to 171 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: pay these fully guaranteed contracts out like no big deal 172 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: like some of these other guys can. And as interesting 173 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: as the whole Derek Carr thing is kind of buried 174 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: deep into the weeds of this whole thing is what 175 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: happens with Davante Adams because he was. He made it 176 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: very clear when he left Green Bay he didn't want 177 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: to leave Green Bay. He liked playing with Aaron Rodgers. 178 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: But the uncertainty surrounding Roger's future is why ultimately decided 179 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: that he'd rather be in Vegas. Because I mean the 180 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: direct quote, let me read it to you. I got 181 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 1: aspirations of doing really really big things and being remembered, 182 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: and it just wasn't really a point in my career 183 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: that I was willing to sacrifice Aaron not being there 184 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: after a year or two. So if you're Josh McDaniels 185 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: and you can't get whatever Tom Brady A or whoever, 186 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: and you have to draft a quarterback, you don't think 187 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: Davantane is gonna ask out too. So suddenly that two 188 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: or three year rebuild becomes a three to four year 189 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: rebuild because you're gonna trade Davante Adams too, and he 190 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: has that working for him where he's going to have 191 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: this security knowing that it's a rebuilding situation and I'm 192 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: not going anywhere. Well, if you if you can kid 193 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, I don't think Davanta Adams is gonna be 194 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: that unhappy playing with Rogers and Tom Brady in his career. Well, yeah, 195 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: of course, but let me toss two other quarterbacks that 196 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: you just because I I was going down the list. 197 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: So the Green Bay Packers have barely showcased Jordan's love. 198 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: He I think he's been in the league three years, 199 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: not played a ton. The one time he played this year, 200 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: I didn't think he looked terrible. Again, it was very limited. 201 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: I free. I even forget the opponent was at the Eagles. 202 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: I don't know whoever it was. Umah, Jordan's love came 203 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: on for like half a game. What did you? What 204 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: do you it? Does Jordan's love excite you at all? No? Okay, 205 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: because if he was then he would he'd be playing 206 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: now if that was the case, Baker Mayfield, Okay, that 207 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: was that was very quick. No, Um, Jamis Winston as 208 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: a bridge maybe interesting because he's kind of out there right, Um, 209 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: I don't even get him from dirt cheat to yeah exactly, 210 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: and then then maybe you, but are you convincing Davante 211 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: Adams to stay? You know, listen, if you if you 212 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: are able to trade car get some picks fourth and 213 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: the sixth, fifth, and it whatever, and you're able to 214 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: trade Waller and get a pick or two. Now you 215 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: got you got some. You've got some prospects, right, um, 216 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 1: And you were able to keep Adams and you're able 217 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: to keep Renfro. I thought mac Collins was pretty damn 218 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: good this year. I don't know about you, Um, but 219 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: the only other quarterback I can really think of, um 220 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: that may have any appeal, and it's probably the answers. 221 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: No Matt Ryan. I was gonna expect a hell note, 222 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: but I just thought i'd mentioned that. So listen. Quarterback 223 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: carousel is very fun. Rob Poor. I'll pourse him out tonight, 224 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: UM while I'm watching bad college football games for your 225 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: Derek Carr tenure with the Raiders. It's listen. It was 226 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: pretty good, pretty good run. Didn't win a playoff game, 227 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: but I think they went to the playoffs twice. He 228 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: was injured in one. He had an m v P 229 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: type season and broke his leg like that and then 230 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: and then lost and he had I believe I'm almost 231 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: positive he has statistically the worst defense for like seven 232 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: of his years as a starter. Unlucky. Anyways, all right, 233 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: that's enough on Derrick car Let's get to our guest, 234 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: Pat forty of Sports Illustrated. Fox Sports Radio has the 235 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of 236 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot com and within 237 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app search f s R to 238 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: listen live. Jason likes to think he knows everything when 239 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: it comes to sports. I know what sports dance want, 240 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: But for everything he doesn't, he knows a guy who does. 241 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: Let's just say I know a guy who knows a 242 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: guy who knows another guy. All right, let's welcome into 243 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: straight fire. A guest. You know him. He's been covering 244 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: college football. Jeez at two decades three. I mean I 245 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: remember reading this guy at all his stops. He's been 246 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: pretty much everywhere in the industry. I guess, Pat Pat 247 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: forty s I dot com Sports Illustrated. Uh can I 248 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: call you a legend in the industry, Pat, No, not 249 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: if you want to be accurate. I've just been around 250 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: a while. Um yeah, I guess you got to know 251 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: the sport as well as anybody. Bullseason, Pat, I gotta 252 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: be honest, it's been a tough one so far to 253 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: have to get motivated about some of these games. A 254 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: lot of opt outs. The coaching carousel has been I 255 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: don't know. How would you characterize it so far? Yeah, 256 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: I think, uh, that's a good characterization. You know that 257 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: there haven't been many really like exciting, dramatic Bowl games 258 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: so far. Uh, you know, we got the usual, you know, 259 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: a lot of six and six matchups and teams from 260 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: smaller conferences. It'll get a little bit better as we 261 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: keep going on here. But but in terms of just 262 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: sitting down and wanting to watch a fun football game, 263 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: there really hadn't been a whole lot of that either. Yeah. 264 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: Even so, we're recording this on Wednesday, and the lineup 265 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: for Thursday. You know, I'm looking at him like Syracuse, Minnesota, 266 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: like Oklahoa. I guess Oklahoma FSU's kind of interesting. Having 267 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: fs you kind of back in air quotes is exciting. 268 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: And then of course Texas awaited the arrival of Arch Banning, 269 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: but overall not a great state. Fortunately we have Saturday, 270 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: UM and that's where when the big games are TCU, Michigan, 271 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: Ohio State, Georgia. I guess we could start. Is there 272 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: one of those do you think is going to be 273 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: the better game? I? Well, I think both favorites are 274 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: deserving touchdown or better favorites. You know, it's possible that 275 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: Ohio State can give Georgia a game, but they've really 276 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: got to prove it physically that they're up to the challenge. 277 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: Because if Ohiouse State got manhandled by Michigan, george is 278 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: a better version of Michigan. I mean, they do the 279 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: same things in terms of just running power football at you, 280 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: knocking you off the line of scrimmage on both sides, 281 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: and dominating games that way. Uh And so if if again, 282 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: if you if you lost by twenty two points to Michigan, 283 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: there's a chance that Georgia absolutely punishes them. Now again, 284 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: the one thing you've got, You've got a great quarterback 285 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: and great wide receivers, and if you can just turn 286 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: this into a little bit of a track meet, you're 287 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: not gonna be able to run the ball. But if 288 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: Ohio State can turn into a little a little bit 289 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: of a track meet, then maybe we've got a chance 290 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: for a shootout. That's fun. But otherwise I think they 291 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: don't match up very well. Inside. It's weird because Ohio 292 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: State for much of the season was like, all right, there, 293 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: top four team, they're awesome. Then they get kind of 294 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: blown out, I would say by Michigan. Most of it 295 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: was second half, some flukey, big, big plays, but they happened, 296 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: and it's like everybody just wrote them off and now 297 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: here they are in the playoff. I don't even know 298 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: if people are that excited about the whole c J. 299 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: Stroud aspect. I mean, Pat, there is a guy who 300 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: could be a top five pick, maybe the number one 301 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: overall pick, and and there's really not much being said 302 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: about them. It's all about Georgia. Yeah it is. And 303 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: you know the obviously we're all a little bit prisoner 304 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: at the moment, and the last moment for Ohio State 305 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: was dreadful. It was just terrible. So that does stick 306 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: with you. And the problem there, you know, Jason, they 307 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: lost last year to Michigan and spent the whole off 308 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: season like we're gonna become tougher, we're gonna become better 309 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: on defense, and then you get around in the game 310 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: again and they get blown out again. And so that's 311 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: where really the credibility, the doubts I think have come 312 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: into play. And c J. Stroud is a really good player, 313 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: uh but yeah, I mean I still think he has 314 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: some things to prove. He's throwing the elite wide receivers, 315 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: which which helps. Uh. So I think I still think that, 316 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: you know, he's got a show that he can win 317 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: a big, big, big game as a starter. He's going 318 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: two against Michigan, hasn't made a Big ten championship game. Uh, 319 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, steps and Bennett has accomplished more in terms 320 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: of team accomplishments. I don't think he's been a player 321 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: as c J Stroud, but but you know he's he's 322 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: been there and done that more than c J has 323 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: to this point. Uh. Last year, if memory serves, Georgia 324 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: lost the SEC title game, right yep, and then they 325 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: go on and win the championship. So I do wonder 326 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: if there is that extra motivation for a while state 327 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: not even making the office championship game, everybody doubts him. 328 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: Can Ryan Day rally these guys? Now there has been 329 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: a little bit of money that came on on on 330 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: the underdog it was seven and now it's pretty much 331 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: six and a half everywhere. I just wonder, where are 332 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: you on Ryan Day? Because you know, I love to 333 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: see the stats of how he dominates the Big Ten. 334 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 1: But pat the last two Michigan performances, I don't know. 335 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: I mean Ryan Day. I thought he could have written 336 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: his ticket anywhere he wanted to go, maybe in the 337 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: NFL heading into that Michigan game, because he really only 338 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 1: had one Big Ten loss. And now it's just like, well, oh, 339 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: how's Day fans are out on him. I don't get it. Yeah, 340 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: it's pretty wild. I mean his record and five around 341 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: on which tells you a little bit about how state 342 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: and what the expectation is. And and Ryan Day said 343 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: as much at Big Ten Media Day in July. I 344 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: was there and he said, you know, eleven and two, 345 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: which was the record. Last year's a successful season most places, 346 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: it's not at our place. And and so right there, Okay, 347 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: the expectation is we win the Big Ten, we play 348 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: for the national title. Uh. They have not gotten that 349 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: done the last couple of years. I think he's a 350 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: really good coach. I don't think his jobs in jeopardy, 351 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: but his the fan base could make it miserable enough 352 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: for him that he might say, you know, maybe I 353 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: should listen to some of these NFL overtures. Um, you 354 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: just never know, Like if if they end this season 355 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: like they got the great opportunity, they get into the playoffs, 356 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: kind of back their way in, but they get in. 357 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: Now you've got a chance to win the national title. 358 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: You also have a chance to get smashed twice in 359 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: a row to end the season, and if that happens, 360 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: there's just gonna be a lot of unhappy Ohio State fans. 361 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: And it was interesting kind of listening to the Ohio 362 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: State players here. Uh, they are sick to death of 363 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: hearing about how badly they played against Michigan, And so 364 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: there is some parallel there because Georgia was in this 365 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: position last year, had a month to hear about their 366 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: flop against Alabama. But that Georgia team was a great 367 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: team and everybody knew it. They had a literally did 368 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: have a bad day. Ohio State has to prove that 369 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: it's more than just a bad day, that they're really 370 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: that good. Is there a whiff of Mark Rifft? Mark 371 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: ricked at Georgia with Ryan Day like a really good coach. 372 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:00,959 Speaker 1: He's gonna would a lot of games, But it's just 373 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: not enough for this fan base. You've gotta beat Michigan 374 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: and you gotta win a national championship again. Maybe so 375 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I think we will probably need 376 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: a couple more years to to let that develop maybe 377 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: and and see if that's really the case. But but 378 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: it's not out of the question that that's the deal. 379 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: I mean, if you go back twenty nineteen, which was 380 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: his first full time year, they make the playoff. I'm sorry, 381 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: they make the playoffs and they destroyed Clemson in the 382 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: semifinal right then and there you're like, oh boy, you know, 383 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: this guy's really got to go in. But then they 384 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: get destroyed by Alabama in the championship game. And since then, yeah, 385 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: it's like, what have you done since that? Since beating 386 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: that Clemson team? You do you have any really great wins? 387 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: No interesting set up there. TCU Michigan. I don't know 388 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: if it has the juice of the other one. There's 389 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: like excitement around TCU. It might be dulled a little 390 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: bit given uh they're big, big twelve championship loss. But 391 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: I kind of like this team a little bit. But 392 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: I I don't like their chances against Michigan. But I 393 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: think TCU is a fun watch of them. Makes sense? Oh, 394 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: they're super fun, you know. I mean the first of all, 395 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: they play a lot of close, dramatic games. They've been 396 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: a big come from behind team. You can never count 397 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: them out. Max Duggan is a baller. You know, he 398 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: just makes stuff happen. He's a very good runner in 399 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: addition to being a big play vertical passer. Quentin Johnston 400 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: six four receiver, uh, you know, great deep threat, great 401 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: ball skills, so you know, he's fun to watch. And 402 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: then they're running back. Kendry Miller is another really really 403 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: good players. So they've got guys on offense. The defense 404 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: is where the question is. Can they stand up against 405 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: Michigan's running game? Can they get off the field, you know, 406 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: can they can they tackle and can they cover? I 407 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if they can, but I think they 408 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,719 Speaker 1: should be able to score a little bit against Michigan. 409 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: Keep that interesting, which sets up what everybody thinks Michigan 410 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,719 Speaker 1: Georgia probably the two best teams all season. I don't know. Again, 411 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of Michigan and teams thinking they 412 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,479 Speaker 1: have a chance against SEC in the championship and they 413 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: get destroyed. Can you talk to yourself into Michigan keeping 414 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: that one close as when that game happens, um, you know, 415 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: let's let's wait and see. I guess how Michigan looks 416 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: this week and how Georgia looks. But no, right now, 417 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: I can't. As a matter of fact, I've just I'm 418 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: working on a Georgia story and I spent about an 419 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: hour today looking back at that great game last year 420 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: against Michigan and how badly they just physically punked them, 421 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: you know, I mean play after play after play of 422 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: just knocking them backwards. And that's Michigan's game and Georgia 423 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: was better at it. Now, this Georgia team doesn't quite 424 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: have the dominance on defenses that one, but they're still 425 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: a great defensive team and they are better offensive team. 426 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: So I if you ask me, I think this is 427 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: this is Georgia's championship to lose again this year. Yeah, 428 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: it's weird. I don't want to make it sound like 429 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a blood bath, but I just think 430 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: back to that Oregon game, what they did in the 431 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: first game of the season. I know Oregon had a 432 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: lot of new stuff, but it was like, oh, Oregon's 433 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: got a chance, two touchdowns, it'll be closed. It was 434 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: like it was I mean, it was over so quickly. 435 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: A quick word on Stetson Bennett, So I just looked 436 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: up his record in college football twenty four and three, Okay, 437 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: two more wins. He ends up twenty six and three 438 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: with two national championships. And I'm trying to put it 439 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: in context, pat because I know the defense has led 440 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: this team. But I mean, are we're looking at a 441 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: guy who is just like an average quarterback or is 442 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: he something more special than that? Given his run and 443 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: the and the playoff runs. Yeah, he's more special than average. 444 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. I you know, I don't 445 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: see him playing in the NFL. He has five nine 446 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: and his arm strength is okay. You know a lot 447 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: of people like said, well, Drew brees Well, Russell Wilson, Well, 448 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: those are two. Those are two guys out of like 449 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: the last twenty five years. So it doesn't happen that often. 450 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: He's a great college player though. I mean, he's really good. 451 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: He's smart, he's fearless, he's athletic. Um you know, he's 452 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: not afraid to make mistakes. He will take chances, he 453 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: will make some throws. Maybe you're like, oh, I don't 454 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: know about that, or he'll scramble around, but he makes 455 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: it happen. Team believes in him completely, and he's just 456 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: he's a wonderfully stubborn prideful at times, cocky guy, you know. 457 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: I mean he carries himself like like a guy, like 458 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: almost like you have to carry yourself if you're a 459 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: walk on that they didn't want and they gave jersey 460 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: number twenty two when he came into the program, like 461 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: just begging you to try it, to become a defensive back. 462 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: He's like, no, I forget that. I'll go on the 463 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: scout team and I'll beat your ass on the scout 464 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: team and then you can't get rid of me. And 465 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: he just keeps working up the depth chart, getting his chance. 466 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: And that's who he is. He is a spit in 467 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: your eye competitor who just loves that opportunity to show 468 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: people that he's better than you think he is. It's 469 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: interesting because in the NFL PAT I feel like we 470 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, stats matter more, the and and championships matter more, 471 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: But in college football, there's this weird thing about simply winning. 472 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: Like Tim Tebow was one of the quintessential winners in 473 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: college football. I mean you look at it like Jameis 474 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: Winston awesome, But I don't know we air Stetson Bennett 475 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: would like rank in some mythical college football quarterback list. Like, 476 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: does he even make any of these looks like Charlie 477 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: Ward totally dominant, awesome player. I don't. I don't know 478 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,719 Speaker 1: what to do with that's in Bennett. That's a good question. 479 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what you do with him either than 480 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: the fact that, like he'll never pay for a meal 481 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: or a drink in the state of Georgia. Again, all right, 482 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: you know he's already he's already secured that his underdog 483 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: story is unbelievable. But yeah, Tim Tebow, Ken Dorsey, Charlie Ward, 484 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: those are good examples of guys who maybe we're not 485 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,479 Speaker 1: an NFL fit, but we're great college quarterbacks. Tommy Fraser 486 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: who played differently but still kind of the same thing. 487 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: You know, Guys that that just have a skill set 488 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: that works really well at that level and have a 489 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: knowledge and understanding of the game. Coaches confidence, and they're 490 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: surrounded by other really good players, and so you know, 491 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: it just works out really really well for him. Um 492 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: and yeah, he'll own an auto dealership in South Georgia, 493 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: you know, and live comfortably for fifty years after this 494 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: if he wants. Yeah, just put of him in context 495 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: is difficult for me in college football, Fox Sports Radio 496 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch 497 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: all of our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot com 498 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: and within the I Heart Radio app. Search f s 499 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: R to listen live. I am curious on the coaching moves. 500 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: Can we go to Deon Sanders real quick? Because there 501 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: is so much silliness? I feel, pat and maybe I'm 502 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: the one being silly going around about um just Deon 503 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: Sanders is going to dominate the transfer portal and his 504 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 1: kid is gonna come play quarterback in the back twelve 505 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: and they're gonna And I'm like, guys, what do we 506 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: need to slow down a little bit here? I don't know, Pat, 507 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: am I being a little negative? Nancy? Where are you 508 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: on the Dion Sanders Colorado fit? Well? I think it's fascinating, 509 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: it's intriguing. It's the kind of thing that a place 510 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: like Colorado absolutely needs to take that swing. You know, 511 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: like Colorado's program has been in the dumps. They don't 512 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: have a lot to sell other natural beauty, which really 513 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: doesn't work with recruits all that well. Uh, you know, 514 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: so go get somebody with this magnetic, huge personality that 515 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: can help you in recruiting. Bring in his his guys 516 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: from Jackson State, and then we'll see who else he's got. 517 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,959 Speaker 1: He got a flip of a four star running back. 518 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: I think it was gonna go to Notre Dame who's 519 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: now committed to Colorado. They're they're recruiting, will upgrade immediately, 520 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: whether it stays upgraded, whether it's a long term thing 521 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 1: that remains to be seen, and then yeah, I'll go 522 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: to coaches. He now, his records great, his record is 523 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: fantastic at Jackson State, but it's it's a step up 524 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: from from the swack to the Pack twelve in the 525 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: Power five. UM, so you know he I think he's 526 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: gonna get players. I think Colorado is gonna be a 527 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: must watch program for a couple of years and then 528 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: we'll just see if it's sustainable. I'm curious, do you 529 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: think all this bulletin board material is gonna make its 530 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: way to the Kyle Winninghams of the world and Lincoln 531 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: Riley's And some teams may want to run it up 532 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: on Dion next year because he's running his mouth about 533 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: how they're gonna not dominate. But you know he's doing 534 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: a lot of talking, uh in the Pact twelve for 535 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: a guy who again has been in college football for 536 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: like eight minutes. Yeah right, no, no, yeah, sure, there's 537 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: gonna be plenty of coaches that I think are gonna 538 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: want to get their piece of Colorado and look, Colorado. 539 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: We will be operating at the talent deficit. This is 540 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: not an immediate fix. They'll be better, I think in 541 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: terms of talent, but better doesn't mean you can stand 542 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: toe to toe with USC in U C l A 543 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: and Oregon and Washington in Utah. Uh and yeah, some 544 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: of those programs I think would would and those coaches 545 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: who may be paid a little more dues to get 546 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: those jobs will be like, okay, alright, Dion, that's fine. 547 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: You're maybe in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but 548 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: this is not the Hall of Fame. This is college 549 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: football game, right now? What do you got? So we'll see. 550 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: I think it's good for the Pac twelve network for 551 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: however long that's still lasting, what like a year or two. 552 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: It generates an interest, so real quick to to only 553 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: two other hires that I thought were interesting was Hugh 554 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: Freeze to Auburn. Now I had heard that Dion was 555 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: really upset that Auburn did not even inquire about him. 556 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: He really thought he had a chance at that job, 557 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: and that spurred him to push to Colorado. They opt 558 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: for Hugh Freeze. We know what the stuff he went 559 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: through what five years ago? Uh? Not not great? But um, 560 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 1: I guess Auburn's desperate. Huh yeah, well yeah, I mean 561 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: Auburn only cares about one thing. They care about winning period, 562 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: you know. And so yeah, they're not gonna let you 563 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,479 Speaker 1: Freeze's baggage stop them, that's for sure. And I am 564 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: a second chance guy. I like giving people's second chances 565 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: and third and whatever. But and here he goes he's 566 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: got one at a place where yes, all right, this 567 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: if if Freeze is going back into the Power five, 568 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: Auburn was the logical destination as far as he on there. 569 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: Here's the one thing I will say, you know, if 570 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: you look at him and his his body of work 571 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: as an athlete, as a coach, everything, it's all in 572 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: the SEC footprint. He was born in Florida. Uh. He 573 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: was a great two way athlete in Atlanta. He was 574 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: a Hall of a corner in Dallas, which is now 575 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: SEC territory. He coached in Jackson, Mississippi. He recruited across 576 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: the South. He got great players from all over the 577 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: SEC to come to an HBCU. If he goes big 578 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: and all the SEC schools passed on him, that's a 579 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: bad look for the SEC, which has a pretty bad 580 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: minority hiring record already. Oh yeah, I hadn't thought about 581 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: that angle. Um huh. How many minority coaches in the 582 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: SEC right now? Zero? Oh, I can't even take the 583 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: last one. Oh, let's see Derek Mason at Vanderbilt. Oh 584 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: that was a rough gull Um. Wow, that's an interesting angle, pad. 585 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: I had not thought about that. I am curious though, 586 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: a lot of these kids, who are you know, the 587 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: recruits now, Like, what do they know Dion from? Because 588 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: they were not even born. I don't think when he 589 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: was starring in the nineties right right, you know, he's 590 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: just like a social media sensation or something, right, He 591 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: is that, And that's one of things he's you know, 592 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: he's more get at the heck out of himself at 593 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: Jackson State. I mean, he's got his own little production 594 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: company following around all the time, uh, you know, recording 595 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: everything he's done there. Um, but you know, he is 596 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: one of those guys, and I think we are getting 597 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: to that point, you know where the parents of a 598 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: lot of the players are being recruited. They remember Dion 599 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: and how exciting he wasn't what a great athlete and everything. 600 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: So I mean, you excite the family, that can at 601 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: least be your entree into talking to the kid, your 602 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: home visits gonna go really well. I remember when you 603 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: played prime, I remember when you did this. I remember 604 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: you did that. You know that that sort of thing 605 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: can at least resonate for a while. That's a great point. 606 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: The other one was Luke Fickle Wisconsin. I don't know. 607 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: I keep thinking Wisconsin is going the route of Nebraska 608 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: fading into irrelevance because they could never seem to win 609 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: a big game. But I don't know. I like Luke 610 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: Fickle a lot. I feel like that's like kind of 611 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: an A plus higher. I think it was the best 612 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: higher in the whole coaching cycle. And and I'm a 613 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: fan of the Dion hire too. But in terms of 614 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: a guy that you absolutely no can coach, I mean, 615 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: Luke Fickle put together five six great years at Cincinnati. 616 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: Uh consistency, you know, ran a great program, recruited, well developed, 617 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: incredibly well, You've got all. I mean, they had nine 618 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: guys to get drafted last year from Cincinnati so that 619 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: they know how to identify and how did to develop. 620 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: And I think he will go into Wisconsin and do 621 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: a really good job there and that you're right, that's 622 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: that program that it's kind of bumped up against a 623 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: very good level. It hadn't been able to get to grade. 624 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: So can they do that? Can he be the guy 625 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: that gets him over the top? And he has him 626 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: really looking eye to eye with michigan O how state 627 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: We'll see, but I think it gives him a chance. 628 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: And I like the Wisconsin thought outside of the box 629 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: because they've been you know, it's been good, but they've 630 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: been kind of the same Barry Alvarez family tree, solid, 631 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: dependable old Wisconsin. Now at least we're gonna see, all right, 632 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: they're gonna break the mold a little bit. Let's see 633 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: what happens interesting. Um, all right, and we can wrap up. Pat. 634 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: I know you were a big Denver Broncos fan on 635 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: the NFL front, and I saw some of your tweets 636 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: about the Hackett situation. Russ. I mean, I'm just gonna 637 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: give you the floor to rant for a moment if 638 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: you want to get it off your chest. You know, 639 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: this is a safe space. A lot of Denver Broncos 640 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: fans listening to the podcast every I mean, I think 641 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: everybody was wrong about Russell Wilson. Nobody had this coming. 642 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: Um total disaster. Um. Just your thoughts on you know, 643 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: the new CEO saying, the head coach reports to me, 644 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: Patton whifing all around, I go for it. Yeah, I mean, 645 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: really like a disaster of epic proportion, maybe the worst, 646 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: like the set of decisions made in NFL history if 647 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: you look, because they are tethered to Russell Wilson through 648 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: all the draft picks, all the money, and so you're 649 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: you're tethered tool, washed up quarterback who like Pete Carroll 650 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: probably knew, right. I'm guessing Pete Carroll knew, and so 651 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: he must have been like, really, you're gonna get us 652 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: all that for for Russell Wilson. Okay, all right, where 653 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: do we sign? And then you bring in an absolutely 654 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: in apt coach and it's the third straight coach Denver 655 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: is hired with no head coach experience, and he was 656 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: the worst of the three, followed Vance Joseph, followed Vic Fangio, 657 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: and this guy can't get out of his own way, 658 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,479 Speaker 1: he can't make any key decisions. He it was. It 659 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: was unbelievable to watch. I mean, this is never with 660 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: a very good defense. If your offense is just bad, 661 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: you might have but it's not bad. It's worse than bad. 662 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: It's way worse than bad. It's pitiful. It's the worst 663 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: offense I've ever seen. So, you know, here we are, 664 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: and I like, we're stuck. So I don't know what 665 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: to do other than, you know, grip my teeth and 666 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: keep watching. Well, can Russ Russ can be fixed? Right? 667 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: I mean we have like an eight year body of 668 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: work where he was incredible, top ten quarterback and everything 669 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: fell apart. I mean, I don't know. I'm sure you're 670 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: plugged in in Denver. I work with you know, Mark 671 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: schloreth At at Fox, and he says he's hearing not 672 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: good stuff about just rust like kind of being a 673 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: celebrity walking around, and um, I don't know, can this 674 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: be salfaged? It can't be over for the guy, right, 675 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: I don't know? I mean it can be. I mean 676 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,479 Speaker 1: there's times when quarterbacks are done. I'm not sure how 677 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: old Troy Aikman was when he hung it up, but 678 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: you know, he didn't go late thirties. I don't belief. 679 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: And Russell's you know, a lot of his his stuff 680 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: is his mobility and escaping and that sort of thing. 681 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: And he, boy, he sure didn't show much of that 682 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: this year. His arm looked terrible. I mean, and yeah, 683 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: this whole idea that you know, I need all these 684 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: things around me. It was like, well, not after this year, 685 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: you better just show up and be a team member 686 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: and try not to suck. All right, that's all. That's 687 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 1: that's the bottom line you're looking for at this point. 688 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: So tough out there in the quarterback streets, Pat you 689 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: want you want to draft a guy in a third 690 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,919 Speaker 1: or fourth who her hand in hooker? Maybe maybe, Hey, 691 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm fine with drafting somebody and giving 692 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,479 Speaker 1: him a shot. Absolutely. Then next year, like then, here's 693 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: the only problem to Jackson, Like again, were our draft 694 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: picks are gone. Next year it's gonna be Caleb Williams 695 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: and Drake May one to two guys that could be 696 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: superstar quarterbacks and Devor certainly it could be bad enough, 697 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: but they don't have the pick. So oh, hey, well 698 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: you pretince you brought up Drake May. Real quickly, what 699 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: did you make of that report from I think it 700 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 1: was a pit coach saying that a school or two 701 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 1: we're offering him five million to transfer. Yeah, that was garbage, 702 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: and Drake May shot it down himself and really yeah, yeah, 703 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 1: he talked to ESPN the last week and said those 704 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: that nobody offered him five million dollars, you know, And 705 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: that's that's kind of this. The thing I don't like about, 706 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 1: you know, the whole the n i L Collective Transfer 707 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 1: Portal stuff is the coaches have gone so alarmist. They're 708 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: just repeating every bad rumor they hear, and it's like, 709 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: you're you're making your own sport look bad. He's not 710 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: being offered five million dollars for one thing, okay, but 711 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: if he is, good for Drake May, congratulations son. You know. 712 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 1: But these coaches just spew out all of the scary 713 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: stores that they hear, and these inflated numbers about oh, 714 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 1: this school's got fifteen million, that school's got twenty that's 715 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: not what I'm hearing. Interesting now, I hadn't thought about this, 716 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: So you think Nardoozy is basically just hearing stuff and 717 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: floating it out of anger because he did have Jordan 718 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: Addison's taken from him, right, Uh, and he can't be 719 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: thrilled about that. But isn't that part for the course 720 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: with coaches, Pat, We've seen coaches just say I'm out, 721 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: I'm leaving by totally is totally is? You know what 722 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: I mean? Luke Fickel went through the transfer portal, wound 723 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,240 Speaker 1: up in Wisconsin. Dion went to the transfer portal to Colorado. Uh. 724 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: You know that's that's business in football, and but for 725 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: some reason it's a big problem when it happens with players. Yeah, 726 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: I love it all right, Good stuff, Pat forty Um 727 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated. Happy holidays, Pat, enjoy the playoff and happy 728 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: new Year to you and your family. Hey Jason, thank you. 729 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: Same to you and enjoy being on with you.