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Speaker 1: and the official Dallas Cowboys have now Here are Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3: Well, well, well we are.
Speaker 2: Post draft and this is Mickshots, and I can't wait
Speaker 2: to hear what Everson and Mickey have to.
Speaker 4: Say about what the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Did Thursday, Friday and Saturday. And we have football players.
Speaker 2: I saw one football player walking out on the field
Speaker 2: as I walked.
Speaker 3: They're going to see out there, Bill for phase two
Speaker 3: of the offseason workouts.
Speaker 2: Right. I had an opportunity of a week or so
Speaker 2: ago to talk with Brian Schottenheimer about all the draft process,
Speaker 2: and he couldn't wait until two days after the draft,
Speaker 2: where they can he can actually get his coaching staff
Speaker 2: on the field with these guys a little bit.
Speaker 5: So the draft choices are here, No, no, no, these
Speaker 5: are the veteran guys.
Speaker 4: We moved on.
Speaker 2: The draft is in the rear view mirror. Now now
Speaker 2: we got to talk, Yes we do, and do we start?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 4: Why not?
Speaker 2: Do we start with the cornerback or what the cornerback
Speaker 2: or the guy.
Speaker 4: I'm gone in the first round. I've always said it.
Speaker 5: I've always despected there's no idea what he's talking about.
Speaker 4: Take a guy. Okay, here we go, and they're not
Speaker 4: going to change him, are they.
Speaker 2: No, he's a guard. He's he did start one game
Speaker 2: at left tackle at Alabama due to an injury, but
Speaker 2: the left tackle.
Speaker 5: But they have to you have to answer to the people, man,
Speaker 5: because you know you've been that's right walking against.
Speaker 4: It and here we are, man, And it got in
Speaker 4: a good one too.
Speaker 3: Well. I guess here's the deal. They follwed their board right,
Speaker 3: the board they filed, how they had the players rated,
Speaker 3: you know, for a little bit, deliberated trading down. But
Speaker 3: it was with Houston and they're at twenty five. You
Speaker 3: can't do that, yeah, And they certainly weren't getting enough
Speaker 3: to encourage them to do that. I mean, if you're
Speaker 3: drafting a twenty five, you're taking a second round player.
Speaker 2: So but really, the only way I guess Houston, if
Speaker 2: I was just trying to do the math on it,
Speaker 2: to move up that far, they would have had to
Speaker 2: have been offering to make it work on the trade
Speaker 2: value chart, they would have to be giving up their
Speaker 2: second and their third right to move up or a
Speaker 2: first next year.
Speaker 3: And I and I saw where even a second and
Speaker 3: a third the Cowboys were going to come back by
Speaker 3: on the point chart minus fifteen.
Speaker 2: Okay, well then it would be a second, a third
Speaker 2: and some fit right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And they didn't want to give up all that.
Speaker 3: So and they so, I'm gonna nobody else traded up.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to assume if they were, they were
Speaker 2: offering a future one.
Speaker 3: Or yeah, I would think so to move.
Speaker 2: Up thirteen spots.
Speaker 3: So they drafted their board. That's where they had this
Speaker 3: guy ranked. And uh, all I know is I'll see
Speaker 3: if I have.
Speaker 2: It on it.
Speaker 5: You should you should that it should be like I
Speaker 5: know so much, you should shouldn't be.
Speaker 4: Well, all I know is this, I'm looking for more information.
Speaker 2: You sound like you're convinces prad.
Speaker 3: All I know is and I didn't watch any tape
Speaker 3: of the guy beforehand or anything. But he comes in
Speaker 3: with his family for the press conference, right, and I'm
Speaker 3: sitting there and I got in their late, so I'm
Speaker 3: sitting on the side and the family came in and
Speaker 3: I had to move over one seat right, so sisters, whatever, aunt,
Speaker 3: mom and dad, brother, And he starts this press conference
Speaker 3: and we were probably I don't know, five minutes in
Speaker 3: or so, and I wrote down on my notes, is
Speaker 3: this guy for real?
Speaker 2: Just like that?
Speaker 3: And then later I wrote, I don't think I've ever
Speaker 3: heard anybody handle himself so well at a press conference.
Speaker 3: I said, now, if he can play, they hit the
Speaker 3: ball out of the park with this guy. He was
Speaker 3: just he was so impressive, handled himself with such class,
Speaker 3: how he talked, what he said, what he said on
Speaker 3: the conference call. And somebody asked him, can you play
Speaker 3: you know, right guard? You were playing left guard. He goes,
Speaker 3: I can play football, He goes, I can play either side.
Speaker 3: They want me to play defensive end, I'm playing defense,
Speaker 3: then linenbacker, full back, whatever they want. I want to
Speaker 3: play football.
Speaker 2: Well, and he said, I think he had twenty six
Speaker 2: starts at left guard. He said there were games though,
Speaker 2: where they would switch where he would play right guard too.
Speaker 2: Even though he started the game at left guard, he
Speaker 2: would flip over and play right guard at times. What
Speaker 2: would be the purpose of that, I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's opponent, Maybe the opponent's lining up a monster over
Speaker 2: here on the left side of their defense, and they.
Speaker 5: Want, this is where we're going to run the ball. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's right over there on that side.
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe that something like that. But he said that's
Speaker 2: what he said too, So he does have some experience, right.
Speaker 5: And see, I've always you know, I argue about that, well,
Speaker 5: he can only play left guard. It's like saying I
Speaker 5: can only play left side, left corner. You play well,
Speaker 5: you play you know as a dB. I'm going to
Speaker 5: go in motion with that guy. I'm not the right
Speaker 5: corner anymore. I'm a left corner because the receiven brought
Speaker 5: me over there. If you have offensive lineman, you should
Speaker 5: be able to play both sides. I just I never
Speaker 5: thought that was a big deal, but obviously it is.
Speaker 4: And I'm glad he can.
Speaker 2: You know who I bet it's elated with this pick Nate.
Speaker 3: And I was told this was the guy he wanted.
Speaker 2: And Tyler Booker is going to hit it off big
Speaker 2: time with natean for a thing.
Speaker 3: He understood the history of the Cowboys. He knew about
Speaker 3: Larry Allen, he knew about Zach.
Speaker 2: Martin well, and I told him about Nate Newton.
Speaker 3: And you told stuff.
Speaker 2: I also told him about John Nylon blame Nye, and.
Speaker 3: Her realized, this is only the third time they've taken
Speaker 3: a guard in the first round, a true guarden, and
Speaker 3: or what fourth time Nylon, Larry Allen, Zach Martin and
Speaker 3: then this guy. So Nylon was like the sixth pick
Speaker 3: in the sixty sixth drive, So you have to go back.
Speaker 3: So they're reasoning, and when I heard it put this way,
Speaker 3: I think I understood. Number One, if you were going
Speaker 3: to replace Zach Martin and what you're used to having
Speaker 3: at right guard, you don't just want a guy there
Speaker 3: right you You want to try to replace the quality
Speaker 3: of Zach Martin if it's possible, no doubt. Number Two,
Speaker 3: the other thing they pointed out is the competition they
Speaker 3: have to face in the NFC East with all those
Speaker 3: big slobber knocker defensive tackles, you know, Philadelphia and the
Speaker 3: Giants Washington. That they needed to be strong in the
Speaker 3: middle if they were going to take on these.
Speaker 5: Guys, which is what we are known to be. Right
Speaker 5: That's that's when we're at our best as an organization.
Speaker 5: We're strong right where we need to be strong right now.
Speaker 3: And if you're strong, there chances are your running backs
Speaker 3: will have a chance, your quarterback in the pocket, and
Speaker 3: your wide receivers might be able to And I went
Speaker 3: back to the interview I did with Jason Garrett when
Speaker 3: Zach Martin retired, and he and that was his his word.
Speaker 3: He goes, if you're not strong upfront, doesn't matter how
Speaker 3: good the quarterback, running back, wide receiver is, You'll never
Speaker 3: see their talent.
Speaker 4: Nope.
Speaker 3: If the offensive line is not.
Speaker 5: Strong, offensive line travels, well, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4: It's playoff football. It's road football.
Speaker 3: And this is exactly what Who.
Speaker 2: Are the top teams in the NFC last year? The
Speaker 2: NFC last year?
Speaker 3: Who Detroit and Lions?
Speaker 2: Look at their offensive linds.
Speaker 4: Yeah, look at their running backs, both of them.
Speaker 3: So uh And that's exactly what this is a fact
Speaker 3: similar of what Jason did right his three of his
Speaker 3: first four first round picks when he became head coach
Speaker 3: or offensive line And now they've done the same thing,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: And the other thing is, especially when you're replacing a
Speaker 2: guy like Zach Martin, who was a first round draft
Speaker 2: pick in future Hall of Famer, Okay, if you're looking
Speaker 2: to really upgrade your offensive line, you look across the
Speaker 2: board across the league, and sure there are fourth and
Speaker 2: fifth round, sixth round offensive lineman who eventually becomes starters.
Speaker 2: But as far as difference makers on the offensive line,
Speaker 2: I don't care whether it's a tackle or a guard.
Speaker 2: It's got to be a first or second round draft
Speaker 2: pick usually, right, you.
Speaker 4: Don't usually miss those, That's what you're saying.
Speaker 3: No, they don't.
Speaker 2: You can miss on them. You can miss on them,
Speaker 2: is just very hard to find. They go faster, you know,
Speaker 2: the really good ones. And in fact, in this draft,
Speaker 2: the other guy that I think the Cowboys probably had
Speaker 2: their eye on if they did not take an offensive
Speaker 2: guard or a tackle who can play offensive guard to
Speaker 2: start his career in the first round, would have been
Speaker 2: and helped me with the pronunciation on this, Well, no
Speaker 2: one in this room can you with that, Jonah Savaia
Speaker 2: and Nayah Okay. He would have been a second round guy. Well,
Speaker 2: he would not have been available for the Cowboys in
Speaker 2: the second round, as it turned out, because he went
Speaker 2: number thirty seven to Miami. And so if you were
Speaker 2: going to really upgrade the offensive line through the draft,
Speaker 2: it was going to have to be in the first round.
Speaker 2: With Tyler Booker in my opinion, and which Texas also
Speaker 2: to a lot of people out there are concerned that
Speaker 2: they didn't get a wide receiver in the draft, which
Speaker 2: is and I but I look at this draft and
Speaker 2: I don't think it was a very good year for
Speaker 2: wide receiver prospects in this in this year's draft, where
Speaker 2: if you were going to truly find a number two
Speaker 2: wide receiver on this depth chart, you needed to do
Speaker 2: it in the first round. You might be able to
Speaker 2: find one in the second round, but it had to
Speaker 2: be one of those three, whether it's Tep McMillan, Matthew Golden,
Speaker 2: or a Mecca Buka. And so you had to make
Speaker 2: a decision there. And one of the and one of
Speaker 2: the decisions that one of the factors in that decision
Speaker 2: is Okay, if you don't get a wide receiver in
Speaker 2: the draft, then what can you do outside the draft
Speaker 2: and free agency? And we talked about this right last week,
Speaker 2: and there are at least three receivers out there, and
Speaker 2: Amari Cooper and Keenan Allen and Tyler.
Speaker 4: Boyd, and I must say we better move fast. And
Speaker 4: because that's right now, everyone knows what's what.
Speaker 2: So that's the next Uh, that's the next one.
Speaker 4: Either one of those three guys. I think we should
Speaker 4: be moving.
Speaker 3: Very and And the way to look at it is,
Speaker 3: once they got into the second round and Luther Burden
Speaker 3: went number seven, the next wide receiver drafted was Trey
Speaker 3: Harris of Mississippi at twenty.
Speaker 2: Give me the overall number, not the number of the round.
Speaker 3: Fifty five.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the Cowboys were picking at forty four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there wasn't another wide receiver taken if and
Speaker 3: then the next one after that was at fifty eight,
Speaker 3: Jack Best.
Speaker 2: I mean think, yeah and so, but think about it.
Speaker 2: There were three receivers taken in the first round, and
Speaker 2: those are the ones that were all linked to the
Speaker 2: Cowboys that they had thirty visits with. And so missu
Speaker 2: Misso came here and Miszoo did too. Yeah, but he
Speaker 2: was not a He did not go in the first.
Speaker 3: U second or even pick in the in the second.
Speaker 2: Round, yeah and so and after that, so he would
Speaker 2: not have been available for the Cowboys at forty four.
Speaker 3: And again, the way they looked at it is there
Speaker 3: wasn't one guy to trade up for that was going
Speaker 3: to make such a significant Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4: Gonna say, what kind of difference can he make.
Speaker 3: Because they don't have a fourth round pick, so it's
Speaker 3: either a third or a fifth to move up or
Speaker 3: next year or next year, right, so next year's fourth.
Speaker 3: So the way they're looking at it right now and
Speaker 3: Bill is that's the number one choice. You sign a
Speaker 3: veteran guy on a one year deal. They're sitting there going, Okay,
Speaker 3: we had a high grade on Jonathan Mingo. How much
Speaker 3: of a chance did he have last year? When you
Speaker 3: bring him in halfway through the season, he's our fourth
Speaker 3: round pick. He's a wide receiver now.
Speaker 2: So you got a fourth round pick in here with
Speaker 2: two years experience, and.
Speaker 3: Then here's and here's the sleeper. Brian Schottenheimer thinks that
Speaker 3: they can do a heck of a lot more with
Speaker 3: Cavante Turpin than how he was used previously. He thinks
Speaker 3: that they're going to lean on him and not just
Speaker 3: a slot guy that they've got, and they feel like
Speaker 3: after three years here, he has made himself more versatile,
Speaker 3: that he understands the offense a little bit. He even
Speaker 3: said it, he goes second year, Cavante Turpin, if you
Speaker 3: told me we were going to give him thirty forty
Speaker 3: snaps at wide receiver. He did the thing like like
Speaker 3: an air through his teeth, Like, I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: Well, they told you that with the contract they gave, right,
Speaker 2: they didn't. You don't give him a three year, eighteen
Speaker 2: million dollar contract extension with the hopes that he might
Speaker 2: get an opportunity to return a kickoff or a touchdown.
Speaker 3: They think they can use him at wide receiver. And
Speaker 3: one of the reasons why his last year in the UFL,
Speaker 3: when he was the offensive player of the year, it
Speaker 3: wasn't just his returns. He had like forty four catches
Speaker 3: in when do they play ten games? Something like that,
Speaker 3: And so then.
Speaker 2: We're going back to college at TCU, he was a
Speaker 2: really good receiver.
Speaker 4: He is well to me when it comes to him.
Speaker 5: It seemed as if anytime we had a play for him,
Speaker 5: your offensive line has got to hold right, and they were.
Speaker 3: Not give him a chance to you have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we would look.
Speaker 5: For him and we couldn't see him because you got
Speaker 5: the offensive line, the d line within your face, which gets.
Speaker 2: Back to the Big Green Book scouting report on Tyler
Speaker 2: Bucker great push, strong maller wide base, Stemy's pass rushers.
Speaker 2: He can anchor in there, and you go.
Speaker 3: Here's another thing about him. It was Saturday, I don't
Speaker 3: know if it was around noon or what. I was
Speaker 3: coming up the steps and he and his family were
Speaker 3: walking out the side door that upstairs, and he turned
Speaker 3: and he looked at me and he just left. His
Speaker 3: people came over and introduced himself, shook my hand and
Speaker 3: introduced himself right, And I was like, who does that?
Speaker 4: How did they know you?
Speaker 3: He didn't. He had no idea.
Speaker 2: You know what he did in the press some.
Speaker 3: Old fark walking down the hallway and said, maybe he
Speaker 3: was right.
Speaker 2: You know what, We had him before the press conference.
Speaker 2: He came to the Cowboys TV studio to do an interview.
Speaker 2: I did sit down interview with him. So he comes
Speaker 2: in there with his family and there were probably eight
Speaker 2: to ten production people that were around in the studio whatever.
Speaker 2: And so after we got done with before and after
Speaker 2: the interview, he made sure he shook the hand of
Speaker 2: everybody in that room. I mean he went out on
Speaker 2: his own seeking them. There'd be a guy over on
Speaker 2: the other side of the studio and he went over.
Speaker 2: He walked over and said, Hey, I'm Tyler Booker. Whatever,
Speaker 2: and he and he didn't just so that's the kind
Speaker 2: of Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, I saw his podcast. I talked to Spags this weekend.
Speaker 5: I saw his podcast with with Michael Pasa. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: I heard that Michael Pasta was kind of cool on
Speaker 5: the picket first and.
Speaker 2: Then there's hope said on tet McMillan.
Speaker 4: I'll see. I wasn't aware of that, but during this interview,
Speaker 4: Booker changed his mind.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he changed Michael's mind and they were WHOA, let's
Speaker 5: go okay, well, Michae's on board.
Speaker 2: It was when Booker said that his mission when he
Speaker 2: blocks is to make the guy blocks not want to
Speaker 2: play football.
Speaker 5: And it was it was a build up the way
Speaker 5: he build it up, like first quarter is the second quarter,
Speaker 5: that's right, And the build up is what got Michael going,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't like a perfunctory handshake. He stood there,
Speaker 3: the people were leaving there out the door. They're outside
Speaker 3: five minutes talking with me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you sell yourself short. He's a tyler. Booker
Speaker 2: is a student of the game. And I guarantee you
Speaker 2: he knew Mickey Spagnoll.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It is funny though, because he was the story on
Speaker 2: him when he was born, his daddy put a football
Speaker 2: in his basinet when they came home from the hospital. No,
Speaker 2: it's true. Yeah, in New Haven, Connecticut. And then at
Speaker 2: age five, he told his daddy that I'm going to
Speaker 2: play in the NFL.
Speaker 4: He's from Connecticut.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's from Connecticut, would thought. And then he also
Speaker 2: so once he got into so in youth football, he
Speaker 2: played up so he'd be in fifth grade, he's playing
Speaker 2: with seventh graders. And so wherever they lived, the football
Speaker 2: team wasn't a great team whatever. And so he in
Speaker 2: middle school, he went to school an hour or so
Speaker 2: away from school. I think it was an hour commute.
Speaker 3: Mama drove him to the other school.
Speaker 2: And so then when he got into high school, he
Speaker 2: had a family that lived maybe an hour and a
Speaker 2: half away, but they had room at their house, and
Speaker 2: so he went to high school at a different high
Speaker 2: school because he was a better opportunity football wise. This
Speaker 2: is all, And he said his dad said at one point,
Speaker 2: like Mom's goe okay, are we pushing him too much? No,
Speaker 2: he wants to do this. He's the one wanting to
Speaker 2: go to this. He's the one that wanted to go
Speaker 2: to IMG Academy in Florida, and so that's what he
Speaker 2: did his senior year. He goes to IMG Academy.
Speaker 3: So think about it. I'm a big believer in right.
Speaker 3: And when you're capable of doing all the things Bill
Speaker 3: did and then leave your family to go to IMG,
Speaker 3: somehow you get socialized.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: You're on your own, you're meeting different people, you're out
Speaker 3: of your comfort zone. And he was and it showed.
Speaker 3: And then he said he walks into Alabama and he
Speaker 3: compared it to walking in here. He goes, you walk
Speaker 3: into Alabama, you feel greatness and you better get going right.
Speaker 4: And that facility must be the best in the contract.
Speaker 2: Well, but he was already familiar with the facility. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because take you back to when he was in I
Speaker 2: think he told me twenty twelve. He has an uncle
Speaker 2: who played in the NFL, play with the Steelers. He
Speaker 2: went to Michigan State. So we went to Michigan State's
Speaker 2: football camp at age twelve, and then the next year
Speaker 2: he goes to Nick Saban's camp. And so for the
Speaker 2: next four years, he's going every summer to Nick Saban's
Speaker 2: summer camp at Alabama. From his freshman year through his
Speaker 2: senior year in high school whatever. So he was already
Speaker 2: familiar with the surroundings at Alabama when he walked in
Speaker 2: the door.
Speaker 5: I never thought that, you can't, you know, you think Connecticut, Yeah,
Speaker 5: and you just don't think that kind of legacy about
Speaker 5: no offense to people in Connecticut and how they played.
Speaker 3: And guess where he worked out getting ready for the draft?
Speaker 3: Right here across the street. He was in Frisco.
Speaker 2: He's a couple of different times. He spent a week
Speaker 2: here at one point, and then last summer he spent
Speaker 2: a week here.
Speaker 5: How could y'all not know he was coming here?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: Now, all of a sudden background, all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: you realize.
Speaker 3: He was here long enough to be able to tell
Speaker 3: you where to go, where he went to eat barbecue. Okay,
Speaker 3: so yeah, it's a it's quite a story. And then
Speaker 3: I can see why if you brought him in for
Speaker 3: an interview, well he'll seduce you.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: And then his talent, because the highlight stuff that Bill
Speaker 3: ran last night, he just destroyed guys pulling these poor
Speaker 3: safeties wanted to It looked like Larry Allen right over again, right,
Speaker 3: And I.
Speaker 2: Love the footage of him and with teammates huddling around him,
Speaker 2: and he's got his helmet off and he is talking
Speaker 2: to him. I mean, the leader alpha alpha among alphas
Speaker 2: is the way he's described And you said a week
Speaker 2: or two ago that whatever we do, we need to
Speaker 2: get a dog in here, and he's one of those too.
Speaker 3: And if you need a voice on the offensive line,
Speaker 3: he just showed up.
Speaker 2: So and I think he's going to hit it off
Speaker 2: great with Tyler Smith. Yeah, he's going to bring out
Speaker 2: the best in Tyler Smith too, you know. And now
Speaker 2: you got those two flanking Cooper bebe at center and
Speaker 2: the middle of the offensive lines.
Speaker 3: And I think the other part is they're hoping to
Speaker 3: drag He'll drag along Guiton too, to show them how
Speaker 3: hard you got to play.
Speaker 4: That's how much you got. Is that that's going to
Speaker 4: be a nice relationship, right.
Speaker 5: I hope that becomes a very fruitful relationship between those two.
Speaker 2: And there's the other part. He just turned twenty one
Speaker 2: two weeks ago, and he's basically Guiden's older Geyton though,
Speaker 2: is he turns twenty four in June?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Oh he's got to get with this guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, so so Booker is three years younger
Speaker 2: than Guyton and he's going to be the one leading.
Speaker 4: Huh yeah.
Speaker 2: And Tyler Smith and Tyler Smith is twenty four, Tyler
Speaker 2: Smith is younger. No, Tyler Smith is two months older
Speaker 2: than Tyler Guyton. Okay, but so it's similar to when
Speaker 2: Tyrans Tyron Smith came in back. You know, he didn't
Speaker 2: turn twenty one until December of his rookie season. And
Speaker 2: for Tyler Smith and Tyler Booker, they're basically the same
Speaker 2: age when they came into the league.
Speaker 3: So so now you got your offensive line. Now you
Speaker 3: got to fill in other spots.
Speaker 2: The other thing on the offensive line is I like
Speaker 2: the depth that they have on the offensive line. Now, Okay,
Speaker 2: you got your guys, and we're assuming we.
Speaker 4: Did some good work last year.
Speaker 2: We still right with brock Hoffman and then with TJ.
Speaker 2: Bass and even you know, they bring in Sadiq Charles
Speaker 2: and free agency who started ten games a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago, didn't play last year, but you got Jarring
Speaker 2: depth awesome. Richards is another guy, and so there is
Speaker 2: really good competition of the offensive line. I mean, they
Speaker 2: literally didn't even have to go sign any rookie free
Speaker 2: agents on the offensive line, because even before drafting Tyler Booker,
Speaker 2: they had fifteen offensive linemen on the roster that are
Speaker 2: guys with experience in the league. And that's how many
Speaker 2: you take to training camp is fifteen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they did they did good work last year.
Speaker 4: They did good work last year. So with with Dowdell,
Speaker 4: good word.
Speaker 2: Okay, So what about the rest of this team. Now
Speaker 2: that we saw the offensive light issuear when we come
Speaker 2: back here on mix shots, let's dive into the rest
Speaker 2: of this draft.
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Speaker 2: All right, I just stepped outside and looked out on
Speaker 2: the practice field, and see those players out there, the
Speaker 2: veterans out there, how many of them are concerned this
Speaker 2: week after the draft. Well, I'm out here today.
Speaker 3: All I remember is all the times when they would
Speaker 3: bring in they used to bring in the rookies, like
Speaker 3: two weeks after the draft, the two weekends, not the
Speaker 3: immediate weekend, but when they brought them in the immediate weekend,
Speaker 3: the veterans would be here working out and they'd all
Speaker 3: be out there watching practice with the rookies, uh, taking part.
Speaker 3: And they'll be here this weekend, by the way.
Speaker 2: And so it is this weekend, yes, okay, all right.
Speaker 2: So at the we we talked about the first round.
Speaker 2: We're going to take it in order go to the
Speaker 2: second round?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 4: Or why not?
Speaker 2: There's one thing about many of these draft picks. You
Speaker 2: don't need to buy a vow.
Speaker 3: I already used that during the when they got to
Speaker 3: the the last pick. But as raku uh huh.
Speaker 2: Thought of it as a raku. It's actually easy to
Speaker 2: say what it is once you figure out that they
Speaker 2: don't pay attention to the spelling.
Speaker 4: Intimidated by.
Speaker 5: It always makes sense after someone announced it, pronounces it.
Speaker 3: I watched him I watched him play a whole game,
Speaker 3: and I didn't know you know who he was, right?
Speaker 3: Missouri played Boston College early in the season.
Speaker 2: Number six.
Speaker 4: Didn't that two times?
Speaker 3: I just don't know. It wasn't paying attention. They had
Speaker 3: trouble blocking somebody.
Speaker 2: I remember that.
Speaker 3: Well, it ended up being him.
Speaker 2: Was he coming off the Was he coming off the
Speaker 2: left side of the Boston College defense against the first
Speaker 2: round draft pick armand Mimbo? He was coming off both sides, okay,
Speaker 2: and Nambo was having a hard time, yes, blocking him. Well,
Speaker 2: that says a lot because Mimbo is the seventh pick
Speaker 2: of the draft by the Jets and.
Speaker 3: This guy was the acc player player of the year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that sixteen and a half sacks last year.
Speaker 3: You get him in the second round. Was his dimensions
Speaker 3: six four no six two two forty eight. And he
Speaker 3: is not shy playing the run long arms, which is
Speaker 3: which is a gift Bill tell.
Speaker 2: You about the Yeah, I got to go find him here.
Speaker 2: He just threw me off there for a second. Ez
Speaker 2: arakus iraku, Where is he? He's in here? There's so
Speaker 2: many of them that you let me find him?
Speaker 4: Keep talking?
Speaker 2: Well, I go find him here. I need a better system.
Speaker 2: Find him up.
Speaker 4: If you're going to only be six two, then you
Speaker 4: better have some long yep.
Speaker 3: But also, if I remember right, team captain, they've got more.
Speaker 2: Thirty four inch arms six two and a half two
Speaker 2: hundred and forty eight pounds thirty four inch arms, which
Speaker 2: is great. He here's the key number when it comes
Speaker 2: to edge rushers. And one thing about this whole process,
Speaker 2: going back to the combine the pro days, it was
Speaker 2: clear that agents told their clients their edge rushers, don't
Speaker 2: do the cony, don't let the teams get a number
Speaker 2: for you, because under seven is a great cone drill, okay,
Speaker 2: and you just let him use the tape instead of
Speaker 2: your measurables whatever. Well, as Aroku did a cone drill
Speaker 2: and his was six point nine four, which supposed to
Speaker 2: do it. No, well, his agent didn't tell me. His
Speaker 2: agent said go ahead and do it, and he probably
Speaker 2: was well trained for it, because that's what happens a
Speaker 2: lot of times. If you don't train for that specific drill,
Speaker 2: then you may come up with a seven point four
Speaker 2: to oh and may drop you around in the draft.
Speaker 2: So anyway, his was a six ninety four, which is
Speaker 2: great to DeMarcus Ware was a six eighty nine. If
Speaker 2: you look across the board in the past, and usually
Speaker 2: if you're under seven, then that translates to bend and
Speaker 2: being able to get to the quarter. But it shows
Speaker 2: on tape what he can do that just confirms it.
Speaker 2: For scouts. He was a Ted Hendricks Award winner as
Speaker 2: the top defensive end in the country. As you mentioned,
Speaker 2: he is under in terms of his height six two
Speaker 2: and a half two hundred and forty eight pounds, But
Speaker 2: I don't think that the Cowboys would view that as
Speaker 2: a negative of what what he's going to be used
Speaker 2: initially is as a sub package pass rusher, and so.
Speaker 5: You wouldn't look at him as a wholesale change replacement
Speaker 5: for Demarcts.
Speaker 2: I think it'll be a rotation and eventually I'm saying,
Speaker 2: I mean as a rookie.
Speaker 4: When you're talking about style at all, they don't have
Speaker 4: the same style at all.
Speaker 3: Nielan may be closer to Marcus Lawrence than this guy.
Speaker 3: And then you got Sam Williams coming back. You got
Speaker 3: a one year deal on Dante Fowler junior, so and
Speaker 3: you add this guy to the mix. So at least
Speaker 3: you've got some depth.
Speaker 2: Now his but his size. I'm going to look up
Speaker 2: to Marcus Lawrence here. In fact, I've got written by
Speaker 2: out next to him to Marcus Lawrence, and so that
Speaker 2: he's not a lot different. What I'm saying is you
Speaker 2: can't expect as a rookie for anyone to come in,
Speaker 2: even as a second round draft pick, to be performing
Speaker 2: at the same level that DeMarcus Lawrence was when he
Speaker 2: was going to Pro Bowls. And so he's worked in
Speaker 2: as an interruption.
Speaker 5: Was he had the same style as well? I mean yes,
Speaker 5: and in the run at the edge as well, AT's
Speaker 5: come around the end. Yeah, he might be able to
Speaker 5: come around the end better than DeMarcus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 4: He enjoyed here.
Speaker 5: If he and Michael, let's say they start vibing together,
Speaker 5: that would be a nice little booking.
Speaker 2: Well, and then you've also got Sam Williams and Dante
Speaker 2: Fowler you know, in that whole mix, right, And so
Speaker 2: that's a lot of energy. Yeah, And but both of
Speaker 2: those guys are on the last year. There are in
Speaker 2: one year deals, you know, And so now you've got
Speaker 2: a guy who's twenty one years old. He won't he'll
Speaker 2: turn twenty two in September, young guy who it was
Speaker 2: a I think it was a even though they did
Speaker 2: work in free agency to sign a Peyton Turner and
Speaker 2: a Dante Fowler who's coming off a ten sacks season,
Speaker 2: they they needed this was a position of This is
Speaker 2: why I was so big on mike L Williams who
Speaker 2: went to San Francisco to pick before Dallas, because you
Speaker 2: needed to find someone who can take that d lost
Speaker 2: spot on the defensive line, and this as Iraku is
Speaker 2: a guy. We even were talking about it on leading
Speaker 2: up to the second round on Friday because as Iraku
Speaker 2: was still there. Do you do what you did in
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, which was Will mcclay's draft, first draft, when
Speaker 2: you took Zach Martin in the first round, Well, you
Speaker 2: took Tyler Booker in the first round. We're looking Asiraku
Speaker 2: would be the pick for the Cowboys if with the
Speaker 2: first pick of the second round. So do you do
Speaker 2: what you did in twenty fourteen and package your third
Speaker 2: with your second and move up? And they didn't have
Speaker 2: to do that. He was still there at forty four.
Speaker 3: Form, although the temptation at the time up with the
Speaker 3: second round, if you moved up with Junkins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with the running backs, and it would have been
Speaker 2: interesting if the running backs were there and as Iraku
Speaker 2: what they would have done, especially considering the depth of
Speaker 2: the running back class, although clearly they didn't. I mean
Speaker 2: they had. They had two chances to draft Caleb Johnson
Speaker 2: from Iowa. Obviously they didn't feel the same way I
Speaker 2: did about him.
Speaker 3: Injury really, yes, Okay, he's got he had a knee, okay,
Speaker 3: and he's got a toad that's either gotta be fixed.
Speaker 2: Or I didn't know that eventually has to be. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's why that would be the reason.
Speaker 3: That's why.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of them that we don't but
Speaker 2: you found that after the draft before Okay, why didn't
Speaker 2: you let me know in my big green Well we
Speaker 2: did for the draft.
Speaker 4: You have to consult with all of your sources, man,
Speaker 4: that's you.
Speaker 3: Bill got found out midweek.
Speaker 2: So thanks a lot.
Speaker 3: If he fell, that was gonna be the reason he
Speaker 3: felt and.
Speaker 2: He went third round to Pittsburgh, which is interesting because
Speaker 2: I thought his running running style at Iowa, he has
Speaker 2: patience as he gets to the hole.
Speaker 3: And oh no, not not him. I got it confused
Speaker 3: with there's a will, there's a way cornerback Will Johnson,
Speaker 3: Will Johnson. Sorry, sorry, Caleb Johnson, thought you Will Johnson.
Speaker 2: No, Caleb Johnson, the running back. So but I was
Speaker 2: going to say he reminded me of ave On Bell,
Speaker 2: the way he would pause before any and where do
Speaker 2: you go? He went to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think if you have an offense, you can only
Speaker 5: pause if the offensive line is doing the job.
Speaker 4: You can't pause when the offensive line was getting.
Speaker 2: I feel so much better. I was downing my Big
Speaker 2: Green Hope book.
Speaker 4: He was gonna his entire system.
Speaker 3: He was going to question everything about life, Wills Will.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we like Azaraku and now.
Speaker 3: My dude, the guy I turned you onto, Yes.
Speaker 2: Okay, First pronounce his name, Mickey Revel. I thought it
Speaker 2: was Savone, Savon Savona Again, you got what savone? H Okay,
Speaker 2: tell me what how you pronounce it?
Speaker 3: Just say it, say the whole name, Savone Revel.
Speaker 2: There you go, it's revel, It's revelvel. Uh huh. That
Speaker 2: sounds sexy, Savone revel and that kind of flows what
Speaker 2: you learned that way.
Speaker 4: It sounds poetic, Uh huh.
Speaker 2: Savone Revel? Whose scouts call the condor because.
Speaker 3: Of his arms, arm lands, and you have eighty inch
Speaker 3: wingspan actually six ft two in the junior. I thought
Speaker 3: he's a junior too.
Speaker 4: He's a junior. Yeah, he is a junior. You know what,
Speaker 4: your wingspan is pretty good? Yeah, yeah, minds pretty good.
Speaker 4: It could have been, you know, one of the best
Speaker 4: in the league. Yeah, I was. That's what we do. No,
Speaker 4: I think, Well, I know my arms, I'm about thirty
Speaker 4: four inches.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but your wingspan, well you know that chest here.
Speaker 4: Going.
Speaker 2: So he eighty inch wing span for a cornerback and
Speaker 2: he's six to one and seven eights inch inches tall.
Speaker 4: Two Richard Sherman type of look right and let me
Speaker 4: he's got arms.
Speaker 3: Yeah, rich Now he'll he'll start training camp on pop.
Speaker 3: He's still recovering from his torn a c L and
Speaker 3: he did have some meniscus work done also, so that
Speaker 3: kind of delays the recovery from the ACL. But they
Speaker 3: know all they need to know about him, as we
Speaker 3: talked about with doctor Cooper doing the surgery.
Speaker 4: So I think he'll fit in here.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, when you start looking at his style
Speaker 5: comparing it to how we are at our best as
Speaker 5: a second you know, when Diggs.
Speaker 4: Is playing well, when brand is playing well, we are a.
Speaker 5: Ball hawking secondary. You know, when the ball is in
Speaker 5: the air, we're not looking at the receiver.
Speaker 3: That's the way that guy.
Speaker 2: Best got to get them all healthy at the same time.
Speaker 2: That's the problem is not healthy. Now this one comes
Speaker 2: in and he's Nate Meggar.
Speaker 3: The talent, you know, overrides when he'll eventually be there,
Speaker 3: and he's got to be a worker. You know, we
Speaker 3: talked about his story last week and how he I
Speaker 3: don't know how this happens in high school anymore, that
Speaker 3: you come out and you don't have grades. Right, that's
Speaker 3: everybody's eligible for college, right, especially if you get an NIO.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: But anyway, he went to junior college in North Carolina.
Speaker 3: H was working at Amazon in the warehouse and after
Speaker 3: I guess it was his second year at JUCO, East
Speaker 3: Carolina had a it was their equivalent of a pro
Speaker 3: date to bring guys into workout. Right, he finished the midnight.
Speaker 4: It was it was the free outcome all comers try
Speaker 4: out for.
Speaker 3: A scholar that used to have Yeah, basically like that.
Speaker 3: And and and he gets in the car after he
Speaker 3: finished at midnight, he and his dad drove to East
Speaker 3: Carolina for a workout, hoping to get a scholarship. That's
Speaker 3: how motivated he was. And he ends up going there
Speaker 3: and has a great junior year. Uh and then unfortunately
Speaker 3: the third game is senior year, he tears his acl.
Speaker 3: He's going to be a first round pick, just the
Speaker 3: way he played off his junior year. Uh. So, again,
Speaker 3: you're projecting from what you saw. But you also saw
Speaker 3: some work ethic and some dedication to playing football.
Speaker 5: And that's that's what you When you've come so far,
Speaker 5: especially the way he has, the journey seems longer, you know,
Speaker 5: when you have to work at Amazon and you go
Speaker 5: through all of the journey seems a lot longer. Sometimes
Speaker 5: guys they peak out, you know, that journeys it was
Speaker 5: so much that they can't make that next step, you know,
Speaker 5: because of other things, because of surgery and because you know,
Speaker 5: because of the knee surgery and all of that kind
Speaker 5: of stuff. With guys like him, you don't want that
Speaker 5: to be your last part of your story. You know,
Speaker 5: you don't want that to be the end of you
Speaker 5: don't want you don't want that to be the highlight.
Speaker 5: I'm hoping that he can come in here and still
Speaker 5: have momentum because it is you know, I come from
Speaker 5: that undrafted crawd. You got to go through a lot,
Speaker 5: You got to go through a lot of people to
Speaker 5: get to where you want to be, and you got
Speaker 5: to be strong in that regard. I hope he stays
Speaker 5: the course because he's already done some amazing things to
Speaker 5: get where he is now.
Speaker 4: It's always tough of the journey.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes you're satisfied with that, or sometimes circumstances limit
Speaker 5: you to that. I'm hoping that his story continues, especially
Speaker 5: on the same path that's.
Speaker 4: Going right now.
Speaker 3: So that helps out the depth at cornerback, right.
Speaker 2: And so okay, so how satisfied are you right now
Speaker 2: with what you have at cornerback? Considering that we'll see
Speaker 2: where Revel is with his recovery from the ACL and
Speaker 2: his availability at the start of the season. We know
Speaker 2: that Trayvon Diggs is going to probably be on Puff
Speaker 2: to start training camp, and he could be into the
Speaker 2: season before he's eligible or able to play right, So
Speaker 2: that leaves you you got Duran Bland, You've got kaye
Speaker 2: Elam who you traded for from Buffalo, a former first
Speaker 2: round draft pick who last year with Buffalo had played
Speaker 2: in thirteen games, four starts, had two hundred and three
Speaker 2: hundred and five snaps Buffalo last year. Kayln Carson, who
Speaker 2: last year started five games as a rookie, and Josh
Speaker 2: Butler's coming off in acl Andrew Booth you saw him
Speaker 2: last year. Yeah, those are your corners, and come on Hall,
Speaker 2: who flashed a little bit in camp.
Speaker 3: The key to all that is Kayln Carson, because he
Speaker 3: flashed in training camp. He played well, played well the
Speaker 3: first couple of games when he got forced to start.
Speaker 2: What was the fifth Okay, let me let me count
Speaker 2: it up here. Okay, let's take Revel and Digs off
Speaker 2: the board right now and say they're not going to
Speaker 2: Let's just say they're not going to be ready at
Speaker 2: the start of the season. So guys that you would
Speaker 2: be comfortable with being out on the field for the
Speaker 2: first game of the season are Bland, I'm on this roster.
Speaker 2: Bland and Elam and Carson. That's three, and then you've
Speaker 2: got Booth. These are just corner the cornerbacks. I'm talking cornerbacks.
Speaker 2: And then you get Common Hall and come on, Hall
Speaker 2: and Troy Pride are also on the.
Speaker 4: Roster, you're gonna need three cornerbacks.
Speaker 2: So my question is, do you need to go get
Speaker 2: a cornerback right now? Considering all that, if if a
Speaker 2: veteran shows up, like Stephan Gilmore showed up last.
Speaker 3: Week, yeah, right, that caused a fear.
Speaker 4: He came, he said up.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he did take it a tour or.
Speaker 2: What, but the word was it was not there for
Speaker 2: a visit, I mean for a team visit, but he
Speaker 2: was there for some reason. He was in the building.
Speaker 2: But aside from all, Stephan Gilmore at thirty five years old,
Speaker 2: he would I would feel much better about what the
Speaker 2: Cowboys have at cornerback going into this season. If Gilmour
Speaker 2: is on this Yeah.
Speaker 4: That's why.
Speaker 2: That's why I said, I got Gilmore and I got Cooper,
Speaker 2: let's get them.
Speaker 3: Kaylin Carson has to come through for him now, and.
Speaker 2: That's great, and Caylen Carson might wind up being the
Speaker 2: stry and you got Gilmour as a fourth cornerback or whatever.
Speaker 3: He got hurt and then he lost his confidence and
Speaker 3: he never played the same. So they needed him to
Speaker 3: get back to where he was last year. And if
Speaker 3: if as it turns out, if revel is ready to
Speaker 3: go for the start of the season. You've got a
Speaker 3: combination that real young, real young legs.
Speaker 5: See I understand, hold up well through the surgery, and
Speaker 5: he may come back right ready for the season.
Speaker 3: Elam is here. It's a body I don't know how
Speaker 3: much I trust it just because of his history at Buffalo.
Speaker 3: Second round pick that never no first round pick, yes,
Speaker 3: first round pick that never really played to a first
Speaker 3: lound level. You know they were doing in the draft
Speaker 3: the guys they added for teams, and then it said
Speaker 3: guys they lost, and Buffalo they listed him as lost.
Speaker 3: I said, no, he did. They didn't lose him. They
Speaker 3: got him out of the building.
Speaker 2: Well but one thing on him, Okay, he was a
Speaker 2: first round pick and that same draft, Christian Benford was
Speaker 2: a sixth round pick and he basically I guess beat
Speaker 2: him out for the job, right, so he didn't have
Speaker 2: the opportunity to do there whatever.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 3: This is remember the old TV show This is Your Life. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is his opportunity. Right, He's going to have a
Speaker 3: chance to compete at the cornerback spot.
Speaker 2: Right. But I having said all that, I think they
Speaker 2: need to go get a veteran guy, whether it's Gilmour
Speaker 2: or there's there's a half dozen other guys out there.
Speaker 4: What just what do young dbs do these days to
Speaker 4: get ready for the pros? What do they do?
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 4: I don't know what? You got wide receivers? They always
Speaker 4: go to a camp.
Speaker 5: They got a quarterback with them, and they're out there
Speaker 5: in Phoenix or whatever, and they're out there getting ready.
Speaker 2: They've been doing it. They were nine years old with
Speaker 2: trainers and stuff.
Speaker 4: What does the dB do?
Speaker 5: I mean, if I'm a young dB, if I'm if
Speaker 5: I'm causing, how do I get better?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 3: What did you do?
Speaker 5: I went out there trying to cover somebody. I was
Speaker 5: trying to find that. I was trying to find the
Speaker 5: wide receiver wherever I could find one. I'd go to Grambling,
Speaker 5: I'd go cover some guys. I couldn't wait to get
Speaker 5: the training camp. When we got there, I worked my
Speaker 5: ass off in regards to to, you know, have my
Speaker 5: body ready to go. I wasn't a lift guy, but man,
Speaker 5: I was in shape. But I didn't have any problems
Speaker 5: trying to cover somebody. This guy, you know, Butler, Let's
Speaker 5: say a guy like Butler, let's say, a guy like
Speaker 5: from from a Buffalo.
Speaker 2: This guy, what's his cayer?
Speaker 4: What's he gonna do to get better?
Speaker 2: You know now what Josh Butler did to get better?
Speaker 2: What he do He worked out with his dog. He
Speaker 2: had two dogs or maybe one dog, right, he still
Speaker 2: got and if you want to get better, he did
Speaker 2: the best TikTok videos and he got it worked for him.
Speaker 4: If you want to get better, a's a cornerback, you
Speaker 4: got a cover wide receivers.
Speaker 2: Well, what's faster? Josh Butler will tell you what's fast
Speaker 2: strether than a dog?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, the dog is fast. The dog can't catch, But.
Speaker 2: You haven't seen the TikTok videos that dog and catch.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you that dog and catch might be
Speaker 2: a that's right, he's going.
Speaker 4: Speak, he's getting his he's tracking the ball by it.
Speaker 2: I wish we had Josh Butler sitting here having a congress.
Speaker 5: That would that would be We need to do that
Speaker 5: because I want to know what young DB's do now
Speaker 5: to get better. We already know what wide receivers do
Speaker 5: to get better with their quarterbacks and all that. Young
Speaker 5: DB's need to have some type of outlet to where
Speaker 5: I can get better covering other wide receivers.
Speaker 2: We need to do that. We need to get Josh
Speaker 2: Butler in here.
Speaker 3: Well, we can work on it. We need to start
Speaker 3: our own cornerback.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I gotta know, because you know, if I'm if
Speaker 5: I just got cut from Buffalo and I come to
Speaker 5: Dallas and now don't do well in the off season,
Speaker 5: I gotta change something.
Speaker 4: I gotta change something. I have to. I have to
Speaker 4: do something to elevate myself to that level, because right
Speaker 4: now I'm here, how do I get to hear? I'm
Speaker 4: just you know, starting today.
Speaker 3: You better come out here and bea was every day, right,
Speaker 3: every day gotta catch.
Speaker 2: Okay, we talk running, which, by the.
Speaker 3: Way, before you go to break, I gotta say this.
Speaker 3: We talk all the time about quarterbacks, Like it doesn't
Speaker 3: matter what level you're at, junior, high, high school, college,
Speaker 3: if you don't have a quarterback, you can't be effective. Right.
Speaker 3: Guess what was going on here on Saturday the girls
Speaker 3: high school flag? Right? I guess what if you didn't
Speaker 3: have a quarterback watching what's right out the window? Right?
Speaker 3: I talked to him and I said, I want to
Speaker 3: have a quarterback. You can't win at this level either.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: Although I did see a ball tipped and some girl
Speaker 3: just went diving for the tip for a touchdown.
Speaker 4: You can catch them out there. Yeah, there were ruthless.
Speaker 2: Ruthless tell you that that seven on the flag football girls,
Speaker 2: flag football. That's the fastest growing sport in the nation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what, I know that also itching
Speaker 3: to get out there and this and this is just
Speaker 3: just gotta be female. Right. When we played in near
Speaker 3: Murals and it was flag football, you grab the flag
Speaker 3: and throw it down in the stain. They'd grab the
Speaker 3: football and go back and give it to girls and
Speaker 3: put it back.
Speaker 4: Help. Yeah, hey, it helps things move along quick, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: all right, you.
Speaker 2: Could go, okay, we're talking running backs when we come
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Speaker 2: Now, the other thing that's going to happen here over
Speaker 2: the this week is teams are going to start releasing players,
Speaker 2: and so there's we talk about wide receivers that are
Speaker 2: available out there as free agents. She got cornerbacks as well,
Speaker 2: and you're checking to see who gets cut this week
Speaker 2: of what moves were made during the draft, and veteran
Speaker 2: guys are going to become available.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, how about quarterbacks, but not
Speaker 3: too many quarterbacks too?
Speaker 2: Well, what happened here before Andy Dalton? When when Cincinnati
Speaker 2: drafted Joe Burrow, Andy Dalton got cut within a few
Speaker 2: days he was signed by the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: And so you're going to cut somebody for uh, there's
Speaker 4: gonna be some obviously movement.
Speaker 2: With Cleveland needs to cut one.
Speaker 4: I should have cut one, drafted him.
Speaker 2: This has got five.
Speaker 3: This is another show. But what's wrong with our world?
Speaker 2: Jesus?
Speaker 3: Social media is still going to be the death of
Speaker 3: our society.
Speaker 4: It's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: How about the Falcons defensive coordinator his son?
Speaker 3: That's what I mean, God Almighty, the.
Speaker 2: Something I'm debating. I'm debating whether to reveal this on
Speaker 2: I think the statute of limitations is over. And what
Speaker 2: the heck is my roommate who did it?
Speaker 4: Not me?
Speaker 3: I did the same when we were in college.
Speaker 2: Uh, nineteen seventy nine, Billy Simms and Charles White were
Speaker 2: up for the Heisman Trophy that year, and back then
Speaker 2: they didn't have a Heisman Trophy ceremony on a Saturday night.
Speaker 2: It was just it was just like announced in a
Speaker 2: press release on a Tuesday afternoon sometime. So that Tuesday,
Speaker 2: my roommate, not me, finds the phone number for the
Speaker 2: USC Athletic Department office, a football office, and he calls USC.
Speaker 2: It says, this is Dick Smith with the Downtown Athletic
Speaker 2: Club in New York, and I'm just calling to inform
Speaker 2: you that Charles White did not win the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 2: He went to Billy Simms, and of course Charles White
Speaker 2: wound up witting it. But yeah, that's another story. You
Speaker 2: know what, in college, I had a roommate. We should
Speaker 2: we should have a segment by college roommate stories.
Speaker 3: So anyway, we did it, but I could run.
Speaker 4: Yeah we didn't.
Speaker 2: We didn't record it, okay, and we didn't broadcast it
Speaker 2: on kg OU radio.
Speaker 4: Did they believe it?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I don't know what. There wasn't response,
Speaker 4: like you know, my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember that part of it. There's not
Speaker 2: much I do remember.
Speaker 4: From college.
Speaker 2: But I do remember that.
Speaker 3: So I thought my college roommate was punking me when
Speaker 3: the Cowboys were signing herschel Walker. We're in training camp, right,
Speaker 3: And I put a call into herschel He's in New
Speaker 3: Jersey wherever, and I had to write a long story
Speaker 3: and about two in the morning, right, so no one
Speaker 3: in the morning since three o'clock East Coast time. Hi,
Speaker 3: this is herschel Walker. I'm going, no f ing way,
Speaker 3: just like that right to myself, And I said, my
Speaker 3: college roommate worked in Atlanta, he knew herschel. He had
Speaker 3: the greatest imitation of his voice, right, And I'm going, okay,
Speaker 3: he's punking me, right, And I asked herschel like two
Speaker 3: or three just benign questions to feel it out. And
Speaker 3: then I realized, oh no, this is he called me back.
Speaker 4: Come on man, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: All right, Jayden Blue running back. Well, we got a
Speaker 2: couple only three minutes left of this show.
Speaker 4: Okay, five?
Speaker 2: I made that speed man.
Speaker 4: I like it, and I'm only going on what I hear.
Speaker 3: And I when I went to the pro day and
Speaker 3: watched him run routes for yours, he was he was
Speaker 3: amazing and you know, when you see somebody run, you
Speaker 3: can tell if they're fast without a stop watch. This
Speaker 3: guy is fast. Asked he could move.
Speaker 4: Could you imagine if we get him the ball anywhere
Speaker 4: in space?
Speaker 3: He interpined. At the same time, on the field, man,
Speaker 3: think about it.
Speaker 5: I think I'm hoping he could. He'd be versatile enough to,
Speaker 5: you know, run some routes in the slot. That would
Speaker 5: be really good.
Speaker 2: Forty two catches and six touchdowns last year as a receiver,
Speaker 2: which he catch.
Speaker 3: Exploded for that long touchdown. Was it a playoff game
Speaker 3: for UT? I can't remember which game it was, but he.
Speaker 2: Now the one thing that the UT people will say, Yes, Dumbles.
Speaker 3: Hang under the ball.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we can work on that. Because here's my thing.
Speaker 5: If he's able to have a little bit of wiggle
Speaker 5: in him, you know, I get it. Running backs can
Speaker 5: catch passes out of the backfield, but if you can
Speaker 5: catch it from the slot, then that would eliminate the
Speaker 5: need for, you know, an extra wide receiver. I mean,
Speaker 5: we're gonna get a wide receiver anyway, but he could
Speaker 5: make us more versatile in some packages.
Speaker 4: If he's able to do something in the slot, that'd
Speaker 4: be greatly He can run.
Speaker 3: That's all I know. In five nine he went to
Speaker 3: UT five.
Speaker 2: So that and that's that's your that's the size of
Speaker 2: a third down back. And you got Javonte Williams, and
Speaker 2: then you got Miles Sanders, and you got Deucepawn and
Speaker 2: you've got another one that you drafted in the seventh round,
Speaker 2: filled MafA from Clemson. So and he was pretty good.
Speaker 3: I think he had maybe some injury or something that
Speaker 3: slowed him down his last year, but his junior I think.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not relying on you to tell me
Speaker 2: about anybody.
Speaker 4: So offensive lineman. This guy from Oregon.
Speaker 2: Talk to him, Johnny Cornelius. Yes, you know, he's a
Speaker 2: It's a really great story. He's from Harlem, grew up
Speaker 2: in Harlem and wound up at Oregon. And you know
Speaker 2: what I see in him on the other side, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but what what I see in him? You know, Clayton
Speaker 2: Adams offensive line coach, was in Arizona. He reminds me,
Speaker 2: although I don't know that his dimensions are exactly the
Speaker 2: same or his athleticism, but his makeup reminds me of
Speaker 2: Kelvin Beacham, who has been playing in this league for
Speaker 2: fourteen years. He is about as he is from about
Speaker 2: as far away as you can get from Harlem. He's
Speaker 2: from Mahea, Texas. But Kelvin Kelvin Beacham went to SMU
Speaker 2: and very smart guy Johnny Cornelius is the same way.
Speaker 2: They just and so I I would love to talk
Speaker 2: with Clayton Adams to say, hey, do you see similarity?
Speaker 2: Are they the same?
Speaker 3: Well, he should have an inside look because the Cowboys
Speaker 3: wide receiver coach, Junior Adams, was at Oregon, so he
Speaker 3: knows this guy right. As a matter of fact, when
Speaker 3: they did the interview, it was like I was confused
Speaker 3: the secret audio and they Johnny six five three.
Speaker 2: Tenne but he can play. He played he started at
Speaker 2: right tackle, but he can play inside or at tackle.
Speaker 3: So they were calling him uncle Junior, and I'm going,
Speaker 3: what what are you guys talking about?
Speaker 4: Uncle?
Speaker 3: They're not really And then it was like he was
Speaker 3: the wide receiver coach at Oregon and so Junior Adams,
Speaker 3: and they got Clayton Adams, and so yeah, they had
Speaker 3: some inside knowledge on them, and evidently they're gonna try.
Speaker 3: And there was a wide receiver from Oregon holding undrafted
Speaker 3: free agent and they're planning on signing and so obviously
Speaker 3: Junior Adams was his position coach, so they should know
Speaker 3: something about him.
Speaker 4: And the Oregon always had a good passing games.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to see, and this is one of the benefits
Speaker 3: of bringing some of these college guys in uh to
Speaker 3: on your staff because they've recruited like Connor Riley. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to remember what player Case State played against that
Speaker 3: they ended up drafting, but he saw them they had
Speaker 3: to play against him, uh and had inside knowledge.
Speaker 2: Of Texas would be one team they played against with
Speaker 2: Jaden Blue. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so uh, you know, and you get a different field.
Speaker 3: But Connor Riley's been coaching offensive lineman, you know, forever
Speaker 3: and to the point where he ended up being the
Speaker 3: k State offensive coordinator as an offensive line coach. Same
Speaker 3: thing with Clayton Adams. Now, so well, we'll see about
Speaker 3: these some little bit of diversity.
Speaker 5: We'll see about this fumblas that in the camp and
Speaker 5: pre season.
Speaker 4: We'll know.
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, let's hear it, producer Supreme.
Speaker 3: H.
Speaker 4: That's true. H. There's no weather park, there's no whether park.
Speaker 3: Better have. Yeah, we'll take these young guys. Think about
Speaker 3: these young guys, some of.
Speaker 4: Them, they's only been at one point.
Speaker 2: They can't.
Speaker 3: They can't even rent a car. Can they sign for
Speaker 3: an apartment? Oh no, they better have a good age
Speaker 3: twenty one, They better have a agent if you're twenty
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're not twenty one, can you sign
Speaker 3: for to rent an apartment or somebody have to.
Speaker 2: Do it for you?
Speaker 4: No, you can sign.
Speaker 3: You can sign all right. I thought maybe somebody had
Speaker 3: to sign for you.
Speaker 2: It's not nineteen seventy three making sign for an apartment.
Speaker 4: That's remember across one hundred and tenth Street.
Speaker 2: Anybody else you want to throw in here and there
Speaker 2: as we're in bonus coverage now.
Speaker 3: We kind of skipped over Phil MafA.
Speaker 2: We did well. We got skipped over James the other
Speaker 2: fifth round they traded up to get you've got a
Speaker 2: We don't have time, gentlemen.
Speaker 4: Welcome to overtime. I've got we'll be back next week, right,
Speaker 4: I've got a well, some of us will be.
Speaker 2: Ever since.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm always the first to go.
Speaker 3: I told him, by the way, we need to need
Speaker 3: to talk. We need to talk about next week.
Speaker 4: Okay cough, but.
Speaker 3: There's gonna be uh and I don't we don't have
Speaker 3: time for it. But the tight end that they're gonna
Speaker 3: try to sign us an under fairweather Asian Tyler Neville
Speaker 3: from Virginia. He's got an unbelievable story. By the age
Speaker 3: of eighteen, he already had twenty surgeries. Oh wow, and
Speaker 3: he had all these sort he was born deaf. They
Speaker 3: had to put inner air ear tubes in at like
Speaker 3: two years old. And then he came and it's a
Speaker 3: long term. I know, I can't get it out. But
Speaker 3: he ended up with this deformity in his his breastplate
Speaker 3: and rib cage where the bones were growing in instead
Speaker 3: of out, and they had to put a bar across
Speaker 3: his chest right to get the pressure off his lungs.
Speaker 3: And in the meantime, he's in high school playing football
Speaker 3: and basketball. He comes down with lymphoma. He's got cancer. Wow,
Speaker 3: he can't take radiation because of the metal bar in
Speaker 3: his body. Six months of chemo while he was still
Speaker 3: playing high school basketball at a high level. He goes
Speaker 3: to Harvard, plays three years of football there after he
Speaker 3: recovered from the limphone and transfers his last year to
Speaker 3: Virginia and ends up being their leading receiver at tight end.
Speaker 3: It's an unbelievable story. And started his own his own
Speaker 3: foundation to help kids with childhood cancer. And he went
Speaker 3: to the tight End training camp or whatever the thing
Speaker 3: Kittle does. Well, guess who he knows, Jake Ferguson, because
Speaker 3: Ferguson worked at the camp, so Ferguson kind of knows
Speaker 3: the kid's story. But it's an unbelievable story of how
Speaker 3: many surgeries he had to recover from to be able
Speaker 3: to end up playing. And he graduated, by the way,
Speaker 3: all Ivy League from Harvard and then goes to Virginia
Speaker 3: as a graduate student.
Speaker 2: He'll be the he's my pick to be the most
Speaker 2: talked about player during Cowboys preseason games in August. You'll
Speaker 2: be hearing that story.
Speaker 3: You better get me on.
Speaker 2: In the third quarter will be joined by Mickey Spagnola
Speaker 2: will tell the story of about.
Speaker 3: And now the fourth quarter starting has.
Speaker 2: All right? Does it for mix shots? And uh how
Speaker 2: about we do it again Tuesday next Tuesday at eleven am. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, so we'll see you next Tuesday at eleven
Speaker 2: am on mix Shots.
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