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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back with Jeffrey Smith and Jeffrey,

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Speaker 1: why are they genetically altering Mother nature? Isn't that dangerous?

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a long history, George, of the narrow

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Speaker 1: minded and arrogant scientist that completely misunderstands and mister X

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Speaker 1: the attention and technology. I mean, it used to be

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Speaker 1: that we thought that one gene would create one protein,

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Speaker 1: would create one trait. And this was the it's kind

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Speaker 1: of like the star Trek, the prime directive of the

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Speaker 1: biology world, and that turned out to be completely untrue

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Speaker 1: when they found out that there was only about twenty

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Speaker 1: three thousand genes. When the Human Genome Project, they realize

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Speaker 1: there's a lot more proteins over one hundred thousand, so

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Speaker 1: something must be different. And every year we get more

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Speaker 1: and more complex understanding, and yet the technology will lies

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Speaker 1: on old, obsolete assumptions. And I'm going to share with

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Speaker 1: you what I learned today from doctor Michael Antonio, who

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Speaker 1: is this expert of human genetic engineering and introduced to

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Speaker 1: me to something which had just slipped below my awareness.

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Speaker 1: And it turns out there's an understanding or a theory

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Speaker 1: that for complex traits, it's not one gene, it's not

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Speaker 1: a group of genes, but it's the entire genome that

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Speaker 1: they are. Even our height, for example, which we used

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Speaker 1: to say, oh, there's a particular gene it determines how

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Speaker 1: tall you are. Well, there's now a theory that it's

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Speaker 1: actually every single gene working together in concert determines things

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Speaker 1: like how how tall you are or certain types of diseases. Now,

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Speaker 1: the implications of this are amazing. First of all, it

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Speaker 1: means that you're not going to be successful altering a

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Speaker 1: single gene and then expecting it to get your desired results.

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Speaker 1: So this whole concept that they can control nature and

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Speaker 1: control an organism by manipulating one or just a few genes,

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Speaker 1: they're going to come up short. But what it means

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Speaker 1: more importantly to me is that when you do alter

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Speaker 1: a single gene, since the entire genome is involved in

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Speaker 1: some cases with certain traits and certain diseases, then you

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Speaker 1: may be influencing a vast number of traits. Now, when

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Speaker 1: you insert a gene into the genome, typically when something

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Speaker 1: is functioning naturally, it's like there's a conductor at the

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Speaker 1: front of the orchestra, pointing to different instruments where this

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Speaker 1: is where you come in, this is where you come out.

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Speaker 1: So genes will produce proteins when they're needed, in the

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Speaker 1: amount that are needed, and then they will stop. But

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Speaker 1: with genetic engineering, we haven't figured out how to use

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Speaker 1: the intelligence of the cell, so they put in promoters,

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Speaker 1: things that cause the gene to shout at full volume

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Speaker 1: twenty four to seven. Now imagine that same analogy where

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Speaker 1: you have a conductor conducting an orchestra, but instead of

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Speaker 1: a violin the first violin, now you have a very

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Speaker 1: loud and brash kazoo as loud as you can possibly

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Speaker 1: make it, destroying every single piece of music that happens

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Speaker 1: out of that orchestra. In other words, the problem is

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Speaker 1: that when you genetically engineer something like that into a system,

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Speaker 1: you can have side effects that run through. In the

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Speaker 1: case of a human mood, behavior, lifespan, height, eye color,

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Speaker 1: all different things. It might be complex genetic traits and

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Speaker 1: we have no way to even evaluate that now, let

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Speaker 1: alone protect someone from those changes. So we're dealing with

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Speaker 1: we're babes in the woods in terms of GMOs. But

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Speaker 1: it's a very lucrative proposition. Monsanto before it was sold

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Speaker 1: to Bear for sixty six billion dollars, largely as a

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Speaker 1: result of their genetic engineering. Plus they're rounded purposes, so

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of money to be made, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of control to be made. There's people that expect

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Speaker 1: that genetic engineering is can be used as a weapon

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Speaker 1: where you can turn on and off the yields of

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Speaker 1: an enemy's crops through genetic engineering. And of course you

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Speaker 1: can certainly genetically engineered diseases to have even more severe effects.

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Speaker 1: So there's a race for control, there's a race for dominance,

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Speaker 1: and it's a race based on a technology that is

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Speaker 1: that is in itself based on false assumptions. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure that bear investment in Monsanto was a good idea.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Well, you know when they lost

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Speaker 1: when Monsanto lost the trial of Lee Johnson, and in

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Speaker 1: August when the jury awarded Johnson two hundred and eighty

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Speaker 1: nine million dollars, which was reduced, right, it's reduced to

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Speaker 1: seventy eight million. It is true, but nonetheless, the bar

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Speaker 1: and then thirty percent. Now there are more lawsuits coming absolutely.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I was just at the opening statements a

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Speaker 1: federal trial. Now it's interesting in this one, George, that

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Speaker 1: the judge was absolutely insulting to the plaintiff's attorney. First

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Speaker 1: of all, the judge had decided to do something which

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Speaker 1: was extremely rare, and they said, they said, we're going

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Speaker 1: to divide the trial into two parts. And the first part,

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Speaker 1: you can't mention anything about how Monsanto has tried to

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Speaker 1: rig their research or affect the regulatory approvals of roundup.

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Speaker 1: You can only talk about the science. Now, as someone

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Speaker 1: who's been teaching people how to speak on GMOs, I've

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Speaker 1: talked about fifteen hundred people through our speaker training which

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Speaker 1: is available Responsible Technology dot Org, I explain that it's

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Speaker 1: absolutely essential to show how Monsanto and other bioto companies

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Speaker 1: rig their research, threatened scientists, ignore problems, cover up serious issues.

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Speaker 1: And only then will we have the credibility when we

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Speaker 1: can show that Monsanto and also their enforcement ring in Washington,

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Speaker 1: the FDA, have no credibility. But the judge stripped the

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Speaker 1: simply presenting basic facts. Once he dismissed the jury, he

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Speaker 1: I'm going to sanction you. And he ended up finding

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Speaker 1: her five hundred dollars and then later said that if

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Speaker 1: she hit her steely, she used the word steely. Her

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Speaker 1: steely reaction to his fine proved to him that she

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Speaker 1: So the judge must have known, is what he said,

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Speaker 1: that she was actually purposely crossing the line, which was

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Speaker 1: totally ridiculous. He got the wrong judge. This guy sounds

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Speaker 1: like he's already made up his mind. Well, it turns

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Speaker 1: out he used to work for a law firm that

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Speaker 1: was Monfani those that Montanto was their client, and that

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Speaker 1: thing is, this law firm sent letters to all the

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Speaker 1: US dairies telling them that they can't label their products

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Speaker 1: as free from Monsanto's bovine growth hormone, which was a

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Speaker 1: big heavy handed program. They also worked for the tobacco industry,

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Speaker 1: and they judge in Minnesota ruled that the firm was

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Speaker 1: willfully disregarding court orders to turn over documents about the

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Speaker 1: forty year tobacco industry. And then under the Obama administration,

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Speaker 1: of staff. And then of course UH Judge Chabria got

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Speaker 1: his position as a judge. Judge you from being an attorney.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of questions about this guy. And

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Speaker 1: It's true they started on Wednesday, they took off, they

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Speaker 1: different components of it, and it's clear that the judge's

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Speaker 1: interference with the truth may result in a negative verdict,

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Speaker 1: but if it's If it's the case, then I certainly

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Speaker 1: would hope that the plaintiff appeals and exposes the judge's

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Speaker 1: where scientists have genetically modified mosquitoes in order to battle malaria?

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Speaker 1: Not only that, it was the Bill Gates Foundation that's

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Speaker 1: It's to me and I was at the UN Convention

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Speaker 1: on Biological Diversity and I got to hear some people

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Speaker 1: who are pitching this. You see, there's something called gene drives.

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Speaker 1: Now we just talked of a few minutes ago about

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Speaker 1: purposely causing havoc in the environment. Typically, when when the

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Speaker 1: male and female of a species mate, then half of

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Speaker 1: It gets transferred to all the offspring, and so they

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Speaker 1: making an excuse, for example, that certain islands didn't have

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Speaker 1: Or because there's genes that can switch on and switch

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Speaker 1: of mosquito that carries malaria. I've always wondered why God

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Speaker 1: an entire catastrophic global extinction, and they're planning it on

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Speaker 1: an industrial scale, intensive agriculture, and the numbers are astounding.

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Speaker 1: I got forty percent of insect species are declining and

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Speaker 1: I talked to a scientist at Oxetech, which created a

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Speaker 1: But it turns out that there may be a high

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Speaker 1: Now I talked to this scientist I think his name

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Speaker 1: was Derek Nemo, and I said I was both. We

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Speaker 1: afterwards they said to Derek, Derek, you know the saliva

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Speaker 1: Have you tested the saliva of your genetically engineered mosquitoes?

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Speaker 1: you know something, When there was a study done on

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Speaker 1: human genes, they found when they inserted a single gene,

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Speaker 1: it changed up to five percent of the functioning genes

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Speaker 1: levels of expression. So you can have higher levels of

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Speaker 1: toxins or allergens, genes shut off, genes switched on. Shouldn't

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Speaker 1: you tech check the entire composition of the saliva of

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Speaker 1: the mosquitoes. His response was classic, He said, good idea.

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Speaker 1: So so I don't trust these guys to be in

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Speaker 1: charge of the genome of our of nature. I don't

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Speaker 1: want them to replace nature. I don't want them to

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Speaker 1: impose their profit driven motives on mosquitoes or anything with

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Speaker 1: a technology that's known to create side effects. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I interviewed a genetic engineer in Florida who found that

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Speaker 1: when she tested her insects over two hundred generations, the

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Speaker 1: gene was stable, but when she introduced it into a

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Speaker 1: into a closed net area, it just took eight generations

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Speaker 1: and the trait was silenced, which shows that genes that

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Speaker 1: are edited or changed are not stable over time. Not

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Speaker 1: only can they simply just silence, but they can switch.

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Speaker 1: They might change the expression of other genes, in which

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Speaker 1: case we're talking about random surprises that could affect health,

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Speaker 1: that could affect the environment, that con affect nature for

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