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Speaker 2: head here at Bloomberg Intelligence to talk more about what

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Speaker 2: we're hearing from a company like Broadcom, who sticker, by

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Speaker 2: the way, is Abygo, So it always gets confusing.

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Speaker 3: It does Aago.

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Speaker 2: That's what it used to be before it was renamed Broadcam.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that hok Ten runs Broadcom formerly Avago.

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Speaker 2: Is he someone who tends to be conservative in his outlook?

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Speaker 2: I mean this was a disappointing outlook for investors who

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Speaker 4: I would characterize it slightly differently. He's not like Jensen,

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Speaker 4: who really would always you know, go big in terms

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Speaker 4: On the other hand, is more I would say grounded

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Speaker 4: in the sense like yes, he would talk in terms

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Speaker 4: you know, four trillion, five trillions, So we didn't hear

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Speaker 4: those sort of numbers. But look, overall, I thought the

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Speaker 4: print was solid. Whenever you see, you know, valuations really

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Speaker 4: could say that Byside Bogie was higher and they didn't

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Speaker 4: live up to their estimates. But to me, this is

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Speaker 4: a company that's growing top line over sixty percent and

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Speaker 2: So is this a company that is setting the bar low?

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Speaker 2: And is that the way that perhaps some of these

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Speaker 4: Yes. And also everyone is trying to triangulate here. If

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Speaker 4: Google is doing more business with Entropic, and Entropics backlog

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Speaker 4: at the expense of broad comment. So you know that

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Speaker 4: Entropic that everyone was modeling. You know, Broadcom should be

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Speaker 4: and it's going to ramp up very nicely. But there

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Speaker 4: Look at the entire Google TPU ecosystem is all made

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Speaker 4: so it does it in partnership with Broadcom and now Entropic,

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Speaker 4: beneficiary of that vist. Well, they didn't erase their guidance.

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Speaker 4: Everyone is saying, you already got you told me this

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Speaker 3: Boy, it's just all about equity markets, new issuance with

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Speaker 3: that's it. And if I don't hear and see and

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Speaker 5: We haven't heard if Elon is or isn't part of

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Speaker 5: what we've heard from bankers is it's very much CFO

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Speaker 3: And one of the things again, if fire or portfolio mansion.

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Speaker 5: he now has super voting on SpaceX. This whole notion

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Speaker 3: asset management. Gene got to start with the big one here, SpaceX.

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Speaker 3: What's your call to your clients.

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Speaker 6: This is a fundamental company to own for the long term,

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Speaker 6: And like him or not, Elon is a generational founder

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