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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about this, the trill Burger. Now, I
Speaker 2: haven't yet to try the Trail Burger, but you know,
Speaker 2: you know, ACX is one of my favorite cities. It
Speaker 2: might be my favorite city, you know, and I'm an
Speaker 2: Atlanta native. But you know what, We're gonna get the
Speaker 2: at a minute. But let's talk about the Trio Burger. Yes, sir,
Speaker 2: how did you come up with this concept? And I'll
Speaker 2: be honest, Shannon, I didn't come up with the concept
Speaker 2: of the burger, okay. I made friends with a gentleman
Speaker 2: named Andy Wynn, probably over probably eleven years now. He
Speaker 2: used to be in the clothing industry. So I met
Speaker 2: him at the Magic Convention. The Magic Invention is a
Speaker 2: huge clothing convention that happens in Las Vegas twice a year.
Speaker 3: I met him there.
Speaker 2: He had the clothing line called I Am King and
Speaker 2: most of the people that are there they're showcasing. The
Speaker 2: convention is from people who have clothing brands, shoe brands,
Speaker 2: anything in that fashion, and people who sell. So it's
Speaker 2: a conference where people come, they look at your brand,
Speaker 2: see if they want to put it in their store,
Speaker 2: and that kind of a thing. So a lot of
Speaker 2: what they've shown is just samples of what's to come.
Speaker 2: Because if you go there in the summer of let's say,
Speaker 2: if I go this summer in twenty five, what I'm
Speaker 2: buying for them, I won't get your winner of your
Speaker 2: mayby spring.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. So you're right, yep.
Speaker 2: So he had this hat with I Am King on it,
Speaker 2: and I knew it was the only one he had,
Speaker 2: and so I said, let me get that hat from you.
Speaker 2: That way, I knew I was rocking something nobody else
Speaker 2: would have back to convention, and so we were very cool,
Speaker 2: and then he moved into food in California. He's done
Speaker 2: extremely well for himself in the food industry. He's a
Speaker 2: licensing genius, so he has a license for a Hello Kitty.
Speaker 2: He's got a couple of stores with Hello Kitty. He's
Speaker 2: got the license for this Japanese anime series called One Piece,
Speaker 2: which is extremely successful. He had a sonic, the hedge
Speaker 2: Hog Cafe. Before he had this. He his partners in
Speaker 2: the ice cream company called After His ice Cream.
Speaker 3: They opened over thirty plus doors.
Speaker 2: So he's been extremely and this is just a small
Speaker 2: number of the things that he's got his hands in.
Speaker 3: So he's been very successful.
Speaker 2: And he and his partners had developed a burger and
Speaker 2: the smashburger trend was starting to take off in California
Speaker 2: a couple of years.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he was like, well, I can't do it
Speaker 2: in California because it's too much competition, too many things
Speaker 2: have too many companies got traction out of yet. I
Speaker 2: need to move a little bit further down in the
Speaker 2: country because kind of what happens is these trends will
Speaker 2: take place and start in one part of the country
Speaker 2: and then start to move across the country.
Speaker 3: You know this.
Speaker 2: Maybe eight years ago you started seeing poke everywhere you go.
Speaker 2: You start seeing poke poke. Okay, about four years ago
Speaker 2: you started seeing hot chicken everywhere and everywhere you go.
Speaker 2: Now you see slash burgers. Everybody's got a smash burger concept.
Speaker 2: So he was like, if I don't catch it by
Speaker 2: the time they get the Texas, I'm gonna miss the
Speaker 2: whole thing. So we had a mutual friend, a guy
Speaker 2: named Nick Stirfield. Nick used to work for the Texans.
Speaker 2: I met him when we got whooped terribly by the Patriots.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you remember the that bought to the jacket field.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, that's why I met Nick. That was
Speaker 2: a rough pill, y'all. Yeah, And we learned that we
Speaker 2: weren't a big lesson about showing up is about on
Speaker 2: the field, not about on the bush. But you know,
Speaker 2: we we became good friends. And so he moved into
Speaker 2: out of working with the Texans and starting a marketing
Speaker 2: company and a promotional company. And so he was one
Speaker 2: of his company was doing marketing for Andy's company. So
Speaker 2: he reached out to Andy said, man, I'm really looking
Speaker 2: to start this in Texas.
Speaker 3: He was like, well, I know, Bun and Bun didn't
Speaker 3: want to.
Speaker 2: Do something in that space for a while because I
Speaker 2: started a food blog about ten years ago called you
Speaker 2: Got to Eat This Now. In all of minds, it
Speaker 2: was me and my partner, Premium Pete. In all of minds,
Speaker 2: we figured that we started a food blog, at the
Speaker 2: very least, we'll be able to get tables at good
Speaker 2: restaurants and yeah, but but if we do it right,
Speaker 2: we might get invited to try, you know, hostless to
Speaker 2: get some new snacks or you know, you always see
Speaker 2: that big tackle bell presentation. It's almost as big as
Speaker 2: the Apple with tim Cooking that come out and do
Speaker 2: the new Apple presentations every year. When they popped them
Speaker 2: new snacks out, I said, man, it'd be cool to
Speaker 2: get invited to somewhere for they knew stuff and all
Speaker 2: of that. But it really became a passion project. We
Speaker 2: never made no real money out of it. There's always
Speaker 2: been a passion project. But both of us wanted to
Speaker 2: move into actually selling food and presenting food. So he
Speaker 2: started a spaghetti sauce which.
Speaker 3: Has been doing real well.
Speaker 2: He used his grandmother's recipe which is doing really well.
Speaker 2: And I was approached by the guys about being a
Speaker 2: part of this company, and once I tried this burger,
Speaker 2: I was like, this burger is a problem, Like this
Speaker 2: body is really really good. It was like, hold on,
Speaker 2: we we think we almost did, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And then when they came back to me about two
Speaker 2: weeks later, I said, man, this is this is some
Speaker 2: of the best food I've I mean, not just a burger.
Speaker 2: I realized this burger was far beyond anything anybody had
Speaker 2: ever done with a hamburger. But I realized, you know
Speaker 2: that this is a this is an opportunity. It's a
Speaker 2: real opportunity for me to be a part of a
Speaker 2: company that I believe could potentially change everybody that's involved
Speaker 2: a lot, you know what I'm saying. And so far,
Speaker 2: we've got two doors open here in Houston, one on
Speaker 2: on Shepherd and one on the Weather, and we're about
Speaker 2: to open two more before the end of the year,
Speaker 2: which is driving us crazy.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Most people right now, obviously what's going on, everybody's worried
Speaker 2: about staff, you know what I'm saying, staff and people,
Speaker 2: and even before everything that's happening in this country, man,
Speaker 2: post COVID, people don't really want to work no more.
Speaker 3: You don't want to work from home. But if you're
Speaker 3: in the service industry, it's hard to work from home.
Speaker 2: And you're in the service city, can't cook their burgers
Speaker 2: from home and then send them to somebody house. That's
Speaker 2: not how this stuff works, you know. But we're working
Speaker 2: the King South, you know what I'm saying. We've had
Speaker 2: our ups and downs, but you know, everything's been a
Speaker 2: learning experience and it's beautiful that I get to connect
Speaker 2: not only with people that have been supporters and fans,
Speaker 2: because obviously the first people that come through the.
Speaker 3: Door, you know, we're bum Bee fans, correct, you know.
Speaker 2: But we've had amazing opportunities to present this burger to
Speaker 2: the entire city of Houston. For the past four years
Speaker 2: with the Houston Life Start Sewing Rodeo, they get over
Speaker 2: two million people through the gates every year and that's
Speaker 2: where the city fell in love with the burger, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So we've had some great opportunities
Speaker 2: to present this brand to the city in a big way.
Speaker 2: They've been recepting and you know, obviously the bum Bee
Speaker 2: fans and the UGK fans, they come throughout the gate
Speaker 2: and show love. But now it's at the point, man,
Speaker 2: We'll come in and you can tell these people have
Speaker 2: no idea who I am, They have no idea what
Speaker 2: trio means any of that.
Speaker 3: They just know this is a good burger and that
Speaker 3: works for me, you know what I'm saying. That's not
Speaker 3: a day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's in the day or a moment where
Speaker 2: you come in this restaurant and you don't really see
Speaker 2: what Houston really reflects.
Speaker 3: You see white people, you see black people.
Speaker 2: You see Latina Asian, you see couples, you see single people,
Speaker 2: old people, young people, straight people, any gender, any affiliation
Speaker 2: with any religion. We've had them all come in, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, because we want to represent a
Speaker 2: version of Houston that's as inclusive as possible, that don't
Speaker 2: block nobody out. So you ain't got to know who
Speaker 2: bum Bee is. You ain't got a new trill lid,
Speaker 2: got that big PEMPSI mirrel on the wall. They may
Speaker 2: not even know who that man is. And the white
Speaker 2: nick cooking. Yeah, but you know what, they know it's
Speaker 2: good food. They know it's good food, and that's all
Speaker 2: that matter. The thing is, you know, Bun Bee might
Speaker 2: have got them in the door, but to get them
Speaker 2: to come back, Bun Bee can't get them to come back.
Speaker 2: Bun might have got him initially. Man, Hey man, I
Speaker 2: heard Bun got a new spot down there. Man, you know,
Speaker 2: Bun always give them back to the commutery. Let's go
Speaker 2: support it one time. It's just like you start something.
Speaker 2: It's like over a new podcast. This is what I
Speaker 2: tell people. I said, look, if you got a podcast,
Speaker 2: I say, you can only get somebody once. You got
Speaker 2: to leave an impression to say they want to come back,
Speaker 2: because if you lose them, they're not coming back. And
Speaker 2: there's so many content choices right now. Absolutely absolutely, And
Speaker 2: that's that's the thing. And that's why I like about
Speaker 2: you because y'all are so consistent. That's the number one
Speaker 2: thing about podcasting. Not about gas, not about topics, not
Speaker 2: about location, back drop, none of that mess.
Speaker 3: It's about consistency. Yep.
Speaker 2: When you're telling people meet me here every tuesday. You
Speaker 2: missed a Tuesday. Some of the people don't come back.
Speaker 2: They ain't coming back. You're right, some of the people
Speaker 2: don't come back. Man, That's what I tell them. That's
Speaker 2: what that's what I try to tell people bun, because
Speaker 2: here's the thing people think, because man, all you got
Speaker 2: is a microphone and the camera. I can do that
Speaker 2: because you know, Bun, the easier it is to make money,
Speaker 2: the more resentful people will become of you. Because see,
Speaker 2: people don't really really resent an athlete because man, I
Speaker 2: can't run, I can't jump, I can't throw a football,
Speaker 2: I can't tackle, I can't hit the baseball. But everybody
Speaker 2: feel they can talk. So if I got a camera,
Speaker 2: I got a microphone, I should be able to do it.
Speaker 2: And they see what some of these influencers and bloggers
Speaker 2: or whatever the case may be, and to see what
Speaker 2: they're making. But when I say, brug, you just don't
Speaker 2: turn the camera on and start talking. You have to
Speaker 2: have a staff, you have to have a top. But
Speaker 2: you have to have a rundown. You need to know
Speaker 2: what you want to talk about. You need to have
Speaker 2: somebody to weave you in and out of traffic. It's
Speaker 2: not as easy as it looks so but and people
Speaker 2: like with man a man, But you know, A I
Speaker 2: got to have a life. Okay, A life is fine
Speaker 2: if that's what you want life. If you want life,
Speaker 2: that's nine to five fine, you can have that. But
Speaker 2: but when you know, when you become successful or you
Speaker 2: want to become oover successful, there is no off time,
Speaker 2: There is no nine to five, There is no balance greatness.
Speaker 3: There is no balance to greatness. I don't know why
Speaker 3: people don't understand that.
Speaker 2: No, No, it is the thing, man, like when you
Speaker 2: decide you want something, right, when you decide you really
Speaker 2: really want something, then you have to figure out how
Speaker 2: to restructure your life to benefit that. And you know, like,
Speaker 2: I'm a married man, you know, and there's been many
Speaker 2: times where I've had to sacrifice family time for business. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. People don't see that. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. People see you, you know, on
Speaker 2: stage or on the TV or all of these things.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying and being available and accessible
Speaker 2: to them. But every time I give my time to
Speaker 2: the world, it's time I take away from my family.
Speaker 2: So my family has to understand the sacrifice I'm making
Speaker 2: for fum, you know what I'm saying. For the family.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So there's a lot to
Speaker 2: go into it. But here's the first thing that dude,
Speaker 2: people really want to even hear what you got to
Speaker 2: say yes, Like like, there's a level of self awareness
Speaker 2: that has to be present in podcasting for it to work.
Speaker 2: Because you jump out that the first week you you
Speaker 2: you're gonna talk, mumble over your words, you're gonna mix
Speaker 2: up things.
Speaker 3: You know that the Wi fi ain't gonna hit.
Speaker 2: Things ain't gonna work, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 2: that will discourage most people.
Speaker 3: Yes out the dope.
Speaker 2: Then you try to come back and push through it
Speaker 2: and push through it and make it work. You gotta
Speaker 2: decide if we if we, if we're gonna be a
Speaker 2: guest driven podcast. We got to have somebody every time
Speaker 2: we will to do a show that ain't easy. Everybody
Speaker 2: ain't always available. O Jo Siko somewhere with a beret
Speaker 2: owned equal sauce, you know what I'm saying. In France,
Speaker 2: somewhere we win all over the place, you know. So,
Speaker 2: so you got to have potential co host, potential guess.
Speaker 2: People don't understand how hard it is to even book talent.
Speaker 2: Bro Like, you got to have a book. It's so money,
Speaker 2: so many different parts of this that have to be
Speaker 2: moving succinctly before you even sit down. In the chat
Speaker 2: I was on line for about five six minutes, talking
Speaker 2: to two different people before you even pop up on
Speaker 2: the screen. And that's but that's the level of commitment
Speaker 2: that it takes, and that's requires it's serious.
Speaker 3: Now. The problem is, like me with a recording arts.
Speaker 2: It's very easy to gather the equipment and resources needed
Speaker 2: to record a song and release the song to the public.
Speaker 2: You buy a laptop, you know, Apple laptop. It's gonna
Speaker 2: come with garage fans, you know the equipment. Every year,
Speaker 2: recording equipment and excess is get cheaper and cheaper and cheaper.
Speaker 2: So it's very easy to actually make the music, create
Speaker 2: the music, and put the music out to the public.
Speaker 2: But that don't mean you fin to blow up exactly.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. This stuff all take time.
Speaker 2: It's trial and error. Everything's trialing.
Speaker 3: Area is.
Speaker 2: The first song I made was terrible. I can tell
Speaker 2: you the first round I wrote. When I say bad,
Speaker 2: my rap name was terrible. Backing my rap name used
Speaker 2: to be Shadowstorm. So I just thought I had to
Speaker 2: have one of these glorious type of names that you know,
Speaker 2: would tell everybody who I was before I walked in
Speaker 2: the room.
Speaker 3: I was way off. They had nothing to do with that.
Speaker 3: The name don't matter.
Speaker 2: My rap name ended up being bun Beat, which don't
Speaker 2: mean much of anything in the world of name, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So a man a man is
Speaker 2: not made by his name, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That had nothing to do with it. I had to
Speaker 2: realize that if I want to be good at this,
Speaker 2: I got it. If you want to be good at something,
Speaker 2: you gotta be pared to be prepared to actually be
Speaker 2: bad at something, right.
Speaker 3: That's the thing.
Speaker 2: You have to walk in the room and be prepared
Speaker 2: to tell these people, like you say on American Idol,
Speaker 2: you just ain't ready.
Speaker 3: But if you watch American Idol.
Speaker 2: Most people don't watch it consistently, but if you watch
Speaker 2: American Idol, you'll see somebody that you look familiar.
Speaker 3: Y'all tried it out of season two and it didn't work.
Speaker 2: So here I am season four trying it again, and
Speaker 2: they might and they come here and y'all and then
Speaker 2: and then on year five they hit They picked the
Speaker 2: right song right. Sometimes it's the right song, the right look,
Speaker 2: the right field, something in the moment they picked. And
Speaker 2: then those people actually get on American Idol just because
Speaker 2: you get a no don't doesn't mean it's not meant.
Speaker 2: Field might just mean you not ready.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: But it looks like you were giving the keys to
Speaker 2: your hometown of Port Arthur, Texas. I mean, growing up,
Speaker 2: could you have imagined that, growing up in Port Arthur,
Speaker 2: that one day you would come back and have a
Speaker 2: key to the city. You know, they gave me a
Speaker 2: key to the city, my hometown. It was a crow ball.
Speaker 2: But they say come back any time you like.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I can come back it,
Speaker 3: I can come back any.
Speaker 2: Time I want you, bud Nah with all seriousness, I mean,
Speaker 2: think about it, Bun, when you growing up and you
Speaker 2: didn't brought I mean HTx is a hop skipping a
Speaker 2: jump from Port k but for the city and it's
Speaker 2: residence to show you love and what you've been able
Speaker 2: to accomplish once you left, and to be able to
Speaker 2: come back and to fully embrace you.
Speaker 3: What does that mean to you? Bun? Let me tell
Speaker 3: you something. I'm growing up in Porto.
Speaker 2: If you had business on Fourth Street, somebody had to
Speaker 2: pick you up from jail or you at he was
Speaker 2: at court. Unless you work for the city, you really
Speaker 2: ain't got no business on that part of Fourth Street,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So being of value as
Speaker 2: a black man in Portos on Fourth Street, you either
Speaker 2: the mayor or that's it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That's the only people, the mayor and the police chief.
Speaker 2: Those are all the people in that part of town.
Speaker 2: They got edi pout. If you on that side of town,
Speaker 2: you did something wrong. So for me to be there tonight,
Speaker 2: but do something right, I mean, it couldn't have even
Speaker 2: been something I predicted what happened, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Because you really want to try to be built in
Speaker 2: a certain way to get out of a small town,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Like that's a big part
Speaker 2: of it is like, man, I got to get out
Speaker 2: of this town, you know what I'm saying. But you
Speaker 2: don't forget the town, right, you don't turn your back
Speaker 2: on the town who made That's what that's city made.
Speaker 2: Bun the guy that we see and everybody see the
Speaker 2: refined product. But it was shape. It was formed in
Speaker 2: port Off of Texas. Absolutely, That's where I got my
Speaker 2: determination from. Because you have to be determined to escape
Speaker 2: certain environments in this country. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: you have to have focus because it's a very small
Speaker 2: and it's a very I don't want to say it's
Speaker 2: a comfortable town, but it's a town that allows people
Speaker 2: to high a level of comfort. If you hungry and
Speaker 2: put off, you got a cousin, you know somebody mom,
Speaker 2: you can get a meal, you can get a couple
Speaker 2: of dollars, you can get a bill, you can get
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, You get enough to get through,
Speaker 2: which would make some people not even want to try
Speaker 2: to do more.
Speaker 3: Das.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So you know, I grew
Speaker 2: up in a small town, Shaddy, You know, like I
Speaker 2: know where they under the treat yep right like you
Speaker 2: for years, since you was a kid, the same people
Speaker 2: been right there, sitting there, sitting in them folding chairs
Speaker 2: in a four point table, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: with a little purple brown bag on the side of
Speaker 2: playing dominoes, talking shit right there all day long. And
Speaker 2: I just I just knew that's not the life I
Speaker 2: want them now, That's okay. When I pull in town,
Speaker 2: I pull up certain places, I sit down, I pull
Speaker 2: up go fifth Avenue. I passed by Brad house, Brad
Speaker 2: them in the garage, I sit down, hang out with
Speaker 2: him for a minute or whatever. But neither Brad nor
Speaker 2: I want that to be our life. But I do
Speaker 2: see people, you know, older people that went to school
Speaker 2: before me, people who you know, were you know, top athletes.
Speaker 2: You know, they was homecoming kings and all that type
Speaker 2: of thing, and they just for some reason, the transition
Speaker 2: didn't work for that.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Going on from the king of high school to the
Speaker 2: King of college is a whole different atmosphere for people,
Speaker 2: much less being making it to the professional sports and
Speaker 2: anything like that. So then there's not a lot of motivation,
Speaker 2: like most people are like, no, we're good right here.
Speaker 2: And you know, and I'm not knocking anybody that lives
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, You have to do what
Speaker 2: you have to do to make it in this world.
Speaker 2: But I believe that I had more in me not
Speaker 2: only to contribute to the world, but to also help
Speaker 2: put my city on the map perverted, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So me and Pip, you know, rest his
Speaker 2: soul man, we really put a lot into it, and
Speaker 2: we did it knowing that we came from a place
Speaker 2: where if you went out there and misrepresented it, you
Speaker 2: couldn't welcome when you come back. Right, So, if you're
Speaker 2: gonna take put off the around the world, you better
Speaker 2: take it the right way. Let's get into some topics
Speaker 2: a bun shop board, the concern that Tyre's Halliburton had
Speaker 2: a cap string cap strain. Despite the industry, Halliburn will
Speaker 2: to continue to push the play in a team's upcoming
Speaker 2: game on Thursday, per The Atlantic.
Speaker 3: Should the Pacers shut him down?
Speaker 2: Now, we saw a guy about four or five years ago,
Speaker 2: five six years ago, excuse me, have a calf injury
Speaker 2: and he pushed to play one Kevin Durant and it
Speaker 2: didn't end up well for it.
Speaker 3: We saw JT Jason Tatum.
Speaker 2: He went down earlier in the postseason with an achilles injury.
Speaker 2: And that's the debilitating injury. It's going to take you
Speaker 2: out for the entirety of a complete season. Now, watching
Speaker 2: the game last night, I thought, and I said this
Speaker 2: last night, Rick Carlile, Tyree's Halliburton's Like, I understand, he
Speaker 2: wants to play and he doesn't want to let his
Speaker 2: teammate down, but you weren't giving him anything.
Speaker 3: TJ.
Speaker 2: McConnell was our playing you and you went back to
Speaker 2: Tyreese Halliburton and the amount of minutes that TJ. McConnell played,
Speaker 2: he I played Tyree's. I mean, if I'm out there,
Speaker 2: and I understand guys want to be out there. I
Speaker 2: was exit professional athlete and I wanted to.
Speaker 3: Be out there.
Speaker 2: But it's hard if I'm not giving you, If just
Speaker 2: me being out there, that's not enough, not in that
Speaker 2: type of situation.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on that bunt?
Speaker 2: Well, for one, you know your coach is supposed to
Speaker 2: the coach is supposed to protect the players, right, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying now, Tyler? You know, Tyler's postseason
Speaker 2: has been built on how the league portrayed him, right, Yes,
Speaker 2: the players got out there said he was the most
Speaker 2: underrated that'll put a fire on fire under your feet
Speaker 2: for show, yes, right. That pushed him all the way
Speaker 2: up to the finals, to the conference finals, and then
Speaker 2: I feel this could just be me, but I feel like,
Speaker 2: see I can get in the MVP put another fire
Speaker 2: on his feet a free So there's so much in
Speaker 2: his mind that ty Reach really has to prove right now,
Speaker 2: and I don't think it's just to himself. I really
Speaker 2: think he really wants to show this league that he's
Speaker 2: the best. I think he wants to prove it. The
Speaker 2: beauty of your team is not necessarily that you're the best,
Speaker 2: is that your team is deep, so that and you
Speaker 2: aren't productive. You know what I'm saying, mccullull can come in,
Speaker 2: see I can can come in. People can come in
Speaker 2: and pick up that slack, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We had that issue here when we had Chris Paul
Speaker 2: in the playoffs with the Rockets. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Chris pushed Who are Christmas? You know, Chris at that
Speaker 2: time was you know, a little bit dealing with injuries,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, oft and artists to this day,
Speaker 2: you know, as he played and he probably shouldn't have
Speaker 2: pushed himself that far. If they had held him back
Speaker 2: a little bit, we would have won one of those
Speaker 2: two games had he not gone out, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. We might have won the first one, but
Speaker 2: we would have been competitive in both of those games.
Speaker 2: So you really got to think of the long term
Speaker 2: when these things happened. But I mean, you know, like
Speaker 2: I know, Shannon, this is it ain't no basketball after this,
Speaker 2: no anyway. So you played football, you know what, guys
Speaker 2: were willing to live live on the field during the playoffs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're gonna leave them all out on the field. I
Speaker 2: remember with the you know, I'll pitch you in out
Speaker 2: and we had the guy who's sitting in there, man,
Speaker 2: and he's ready to go in. He's ready to go in,
Speaker 2: and he had just pissed a while back, and he
Speaker 2: was a little tender. But it's it's game seven, like,
Speaker 2: I'm ready to go in. Put me in, and they're like, no,
Speaker 2: because I just want to keep you on the contract
Speaker 2: and make sure you're still good.
Speaker 3: And the Astros ended up.
Speaker 2: Loving for one game and then now now we got
Speaker 2: you on the hook for one hundred and fifty million
Speaker 2: dollars for the next six years, and you can't pitch.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know with you know, Luckily mccolors, when
Speaker 2: Colors was just getting ready to come back. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying from two years of injury. So I
Speaker 2: understand it. You know what I'm saying. It's hard to
Speaker 2: stop a player, especially one is the money, right, obviously,
Speaker 2: the money is a driver. I don't think that's a
Speaker 2: factor in this. It's a competitive nature. It's the want
Speaker 2: to prove that I am who I've said I am,
Speaker 2: and I'm not who y'all try to say I am.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I think they got it.
Speaker 2: I think they've got a rotation that they can work throughing.
Speaker 2: But again, if they if they don't put him in
Speaker 2: right or giving him restricted time, he's gonna blame himself
Speaker 2: if they don't pull through and gainst it right. But
Speaker 2: I think the thing is, look, he has to understand
Speaker 2: he could. I mean, and I don't think. I don't
Speaker 2: think he's overrated, but he happened to be in an
Speaker 2: error with Steph Curry, with Luka Doncic, with Shay Gilgis
Speaker 2: with James Harden. If you job around, if you look
Speaker 2: at the guys he's up against, there was some good
Speaker 2: two guards. But ain't nobody getting mentioned with Jordan. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: it's just the way it is. There's some there's some
Speaker 2: really really good quarterbacks with Tom Brady, let me think
Speaker 2: about it. There was a really good quarterback. So you
Speaker 2: try to say that Peyton Manning and Ben Roethlisberger and
Speaker 2: Philip Rivers and Drew Brees weren't good quarterbacks. But when
Speaker 2: you got that guy, you just have to get what
Speaker 2: people give you. And I think that's the thing with
Speaker 2: Tyre's Halliburton. He could go out there and he could
Speaker 2: average thirty. People are not gonna put him in front
Speaker 2: of Steph. They're not gonna put him in front of Luca,
Speaker 2: They're not gonna put him in front of Shade.
Speaker 3: They're just not bun.
Speaker 2: You know, look, go ahead, you're in the rap game, Bud,
Speaker 2: and you know this. I mean when Tupac and Biggie,
Speaker 2: let's just say Tupac Biggie hole uh k r s
Speaker 2: one rock him, Big Daddy Kane. You got to take
Speaker 2: take the tim Best rappers. Okay, everybody's gonna be talking
Speaker 2: about the tim Best rappers. It's gonna be one or two.
Speaker 2: And that's how it's always been and it's always gonna be.
Speaker 2: There's been some great R and B singers, a bunch
Speaker 2: of them back in the y, you know, the eighties
Speaker 2: or night if the R and B was king, but
Speaker 2: only Marvin Gaye if you want Marvin gay if you.
Speaker 3: Were Teddy p uh brug.
Speaker 2: Baron White. Oh well, baby Fred you threw Freddy. Freddy
Speaker 2: came along in there and Snuky Snucky in there. He
Speaker 2: got a little time, Yeah, he got a little time.
Speaker 2: But it was basically Marvin Gay and Teddy p Look
Speaker 2: that that doesn't mean you aren't a great player just
Speaker 2: because you considered the greatest player, and that shouldn't affect
Speaker 2: you mentally, you know what I'm saying. My favorite my
Speaker 2: favorite player was always crawl for Jamal Crusts. Okay, yep, right,
Speaker 2: I'm talking about one of the best to ever play
Speaker 2: the game, right, but he was and he was always
Speaker 2: considered the best sixth man, right. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: If somebody go down, I got us from here, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And I feel like ty Reesis
Speaker 2: is a player like I feel like the Pacers as
Speaker 2: a team.
Speaker 3: They ain't got no superstars on the.
Speaker 2: Team, but they got they but their mentality that everybody's
Speaker 2: ready to step up.
Speaker 3: Yes, you never know.
Speaker 2: It's really hard to game plan for them because you
Speaker 2: never know who's gonna get that twenty five and then
Speaker 2: who's gonna have the nineteen to eighteen to seventeen to sixteen.
Speaker 2: They don't have that one guy and maybe in some
Speaker 2: situations that hurt them because most teams that win championships
Speaker 2: they do have that one guy. They can give him
Speaker 2: the ball and he can go get you a bucket.
Speaker 2: That's why we did that week. That's why we didn't
Speaker 2: get further than we have because right now we have
Speaker 2: a very young team with a first time coach, and
Speaker 2: we just don't have anybody that we could say, hey,
Speaker 2: I need I need to too right now. If you
Speaker 2: have every team has to have somebody that can give
Speaker 2: you that two when you need it consistently. Now, if
Speaker 2: you have a rotation where you know, if I, if
Speaker 2: I get these guys who I want him in this
Speaker 2: particular scheme, we can make this work. But all of
Speaker 2: that's wish for thinking I'm talking about and he's a two,
Speaker 2: he's a too, bro, that's a that's a tall.
Speaker 3: Lud of the climb bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of wrongs to climb to try to,
Speaker 2: you know, to say that you are considered amongst the best, bro,
Speaker 2: the best person that ever played this game played your position,
Speaker 2: the best ever to play the game played your position,
Speaker 2: some of the best, the best shooter ever to shoot
Speaker 2: the basketball played in your position is going to be
Speaker 2: a wild you got to have chips, You got to
Speaker 2: have a couple of you know what I'm saying, there's
Speaker 2: a couple of things that have to that are going
Speaker 2: to have to come together in order for everyone to
Speaker 2: consider it t reased to be that player. That doesn't
Speaker 2: mean he won't be that player all right now. I
Speaker 2: don't even think he has to be that player, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I think they I don't think
Speaker 2: he has to be that player. But if it ain't
Speaker 2: his time, bro, you left thirty plus teams behind, bro, right,
Speaker 2: take some pride in that, and y'are only gonna get better.
Speaker 3: This team's only gonna get better.
Speaker 2: But right now, yeah, he's got to be very very
Speaker 2: careful because he could do some real good. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he could do some real damn And you know, like
Speaker 2: I know, it goes far beyond the physical side of
Speaker 2: it in this point in the game, when you are
Speaker 2: not at your top, you know what I'm saying, health
Speaker 2: and performance, ability and capabilities in.
Speaker 3: The moments like right here, this is the biggest moment.
Speaker 2: This is the stage that eight year old and seven
Speaker 2: year old you know, guys, that's who they want to
Speaker 2: be that's where they want to go. And when you're
Speaker 2: not an optimum pride position to take advantage of it, Man,
Speaker 2: that becomes far beyond physical. That's a mental thing that
Speaker 2: can cripple you mentally or it could supercharge you. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say this when we're gonna move on. Go back
Speaker 2: and look at Grant Hill. Grant Hill had a injury
Speaker 2: at Mankel injury and he played in the playoffs, and
Speaker 2: Grant Hill was never the same. He was on his
Speaker 2: way to being a historically great player. He could do
Speaker 2: it all. Go back and look at Grant Hill, and
Speaker 2: once he got that ankle injury, he was never the
Speaker 2: same player. Guys, be careful. Lebron James is pushing back
Speaker 2: on the idea that championship rings are the only measure
Speaker 2: of greatness center back on back in basketball. On this
Speaker 2: new episode of Mind the Game podcast with Steve Nash,
Speaker 2: Lebron said, I don't know why it's discussed so much
Speaker 2: in our sport and now why it's the end all,
Speaker 2: be all of everything. It's like, you aren't a great
Speaker 2: player if you never won a championship, or if you
Speaker 2: won one. You can't be the same conversation as this person.
Speaker 2: You sit here and tell me Alan Iverson, Charles Barkley,
Speaker 2: Steve Nash wasn't unbelievable. Oh, they can't be talked about
Speaker 2: or discussed with these guys because they want It's weird
Speaker 2: to me. It's like saying Peyton Manning can't be in
Speaker 2: the same room with Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes because
Speaker 2: he only has one ring. Well, Peyton has two rings.
Speaker 2: But I get, I get what Lebron is trying to say.
Speaker 2: But that's that's what society, that's what social media, that's
Speaker 2: what we've done. Now, we've turned everything into a ring.
Speaker 2: If you don't have a championship, it's almost And at
Speaker 2: what point of time it.
Speaker 1: Was like that with the Grammys, bud Man, you ain't
Speaker 1: got no grap man, you ain't got no gravy. But
Speaker 1: some time to take that's what it takes to fuel
Speaker 1: you though, right if you if you would ask Lebron
Speaker 1: that pride to having a chip, that's his motivation, of
Speaker 1: course it was.
Speaker 2: That's his drive. That's what I want to be. I
Speaker 2: want to be I want to be placed on the
Speaker 2: mantol next to those other greats. Well, you have to
Speaker 2: look at what those other great people have achieved. You
Speaker 2: look at what their success is gauged by, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, and who they played against, the level
Speaker 2: of competition. All of these things come into that. So
Speaker 2: and and you got chips. I'm really gonna I don't
Speaker 2: know who he's arguing.
Speaker 3: For, I think.
Speaker 2: But if you look at Lebron, look at the guys
Speaker 2: that he out of lines, what do they have? Jordan ring,
Speaker 2: magic rings, bird rings. So that are the three guys
Speaker 2: that we know he looked up to. What does all
Speaker 2: those guys have in common? Championships? There's a reason why
Speaker 2: he left because he wanted a championship. He felt that
Speaker 2: the organization didn't have didn't have the word withal or
Speaker 2: he didn't trust him to get the requisite pieces in Cleveland,
Speaker 2: so he went to Miami. You see, it's a big
Speaker 2: relief once you have something, because it's even for the
Speaker 2: person that says, man, would I'm gonna take me some time? Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: Elon Buss can take a six month vacation, Jeff Bezos
Speaker 2: can take a six month vacation. But asking when they
Speaker 2: were building their business, did they take a six month vacation? Okay, now, Lebron,
Speaker 2: did you feel this way before you had championships or
Speaker 2: after you got them. And I agree with everything he's saying.
Speaker 2: I just believe this, bun when we're having a conversation
Speaker 2: and I got to put est on it. You got
Speaker 2: to have championships. Now, I'm not saying you can't be
Speaker 2: great because Charles Barkley. I'm old enough. You and I
Speaker 2: old enough because we remember a lot of these cats.
Speaker 2: I remember Charles Barkley, I remember Karl Malone, I remember
Speaker 2: a Patrick You and I remember some of these great players.
Speaker 3: But when I need to add e st I just
Speaker 3: don't know how I.
Speaker 2: Can when you come from football. So Marina, that was
Speaker 2: always the argument about Marino. On every other level, up
Speaker 2: against every other standard, he was always the limit sets
Speaker 2: for the position. The only thing was and look, I'm
Speaker 2: a Rockets fan, so we got those asterisks next to us.
Speaker 3: But Jordan would play baseball. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But no, I mean it's it's a very very real
Speaker 2: thing to have the want to get a championship, which
Speaker 2: is what inspires and drives a lot of people. Yes,
Speaker 2: but when you're a grand of talent as Lebron, you know,
Speaker 2: quite frankly, if you want to be in that conversation.
Speaker 3: That there's a couple of things missing.
Speaker 2: We know you have the talent, we know you have
Speaker 2: to Still that's never been a question with Lebron James,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But if you want to
Speaker 2: be in that Mount Rushmore, you still have some work
Speaker 2: to do. And that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2: He's actually still physically capable enough to do the work.
Speaker 3: But I think one.
Speaker 2: I don't think this should be something that should be
Speaker 2: bothering Lebron James because he's going to succeed at a
Speaker 2: level that very few people in any sport.
Speaker 3: Or any business will be able to succeed.
Speaker 2: But then also I don't know if that's something that
Speaker 2: still is potentially could drive him because if that's who
Speaker 2: he's looking to compete with, how many more years would
Speaker 2: it realistically take him to get those extra two rings
Speaker 2: that he's probably looking at right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, Like I said, so is this a the
Speaker 3: gate that argument preemptively? Is that what we're doing? I
Speaker 3: think the thing is.
Speaker 2: What people hold, They say when you jump, you went
Speaker 2: to Miami, you went to Cleveland, you went to LA
Speaker 2: And so I think you know, he's like the rings
Speaker 2: I and when we talk about NFL players, they say
Speaker 2: the greatest, the greatest player.
Speaker 3: I mean, Damn Reno is always on the list.
Speaker 2: The name that you miss it mentioned and I know
Speaker 2: Dany have worked with him for a decade, knowing very
Speaker 2: well we shared the same agents when we played.
Speaker 3: Is that he was always on the list.
Speaker 2: Greatest player to never win a championship, that was Damn
Speaker 2: ma Reno because he could throw the ball like no
Speaker 2: one else, that quick release, I mean five thousand passing yards,
Speaker 2: forty eight touchdown in an era when everybody ran the
Speaker 2: football and you could hold, you could punish the quarterback.
Speaker 2: You could hit him everywhere, the top of his head,
Speaker 2: even the bottom of his feet when he.
Speaker 3: Laid down, you could hit him there too.
Speaker 2: So but I just think the thing is is what
Speaker 2: happened is that we knew used to never have these
Speaker 2: argument because we didn't have social media.
Speaker 3: See now, but.
Speaker 2: Everybody's a coach, everybody's a GM, everybody's a former player,
Speaker 2: And no matter how much you say I don't pay
Speaker 2: attention to it, we're trained.
Speaker 3: We do. We see the negative.
Speaker 2: No matter how much money Elon Musk has he worth
Speaker 2: four hundred billions.
Speaker 3: He took a drug test to say, you know what,
Speaker 3: I ain't on drugs.
Speaker 2: You see, why would somebody saying you're a drug you
Speaker 2: worth four hundred billion? What did you care? And and
Speaker 2: that's what happens when you know a good friend of mine,
Speaker 2: Dizney Raster. He's a recording artist in London, and on
Speaker 2: one of his songs he said, you don't care about
Speaker 2: my rich man problems. I don't care about your bitch
Speaker 2: ass problem. You know what I'm saying. And that's the reality.
Speaker 2: It's not that Lebron doesn't necessarily have a valid argument.
Speaker 2: I think there's the lenity into his argument. Of course,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: you're Lebron James. You know what I'm saying. You've a
Speaker 2: come to me. These type of arguments almost belittle what
Speaker 2: you've done. It's almost to the point of, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I want to couple of chips, right, which
Speaker 2: is something to celebrate. But I didn't win it as
Speaker 2: many chips as someone else, which other.
Speaker 3: People would look down.
Speaker 2: Okay, and what does that really Just like you said,
Speaker 2: like everybody's watching everything, we answer to the experts. Then
Speaker 2: we answer to the amateurs, and then we answer to
Speaker 2: the observers.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's one thing to not watch ESPN, right, but it's
Speaker 2: another thing, and it's another thing to put the phone down.
Speaker 3: But even if people around.
Speaker 2: You will see what's being said, you're gonna get that
Speaker 2: information back.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You just gotta you just
Speaker 3: gotta be able to eat.
Speaker 2: I feel like at this point, you just gotta eat
Speaker 2: all of that stuff, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 2: is this is he Is he saying that I don't
Speaker 2: need that to be considered great? So is he saying
Speaker 2: but he wanted it great? And that's my thing? Is
Speaker 2: he trying to say? Am I one of the great?
Speaker 2: And that my lack of chips don't matter?
Speaker 3: No? Because the people coming up behind you?
Speaker 2: But you look like you holding a a hot hand
Speaker 2: right now, right in the scopeland things, right in the
Speaker 2: full scope of everything.
Speaker 3: I think the thing is a bun. Is that? Bro?
Speaker 3: You got more regular season points, more playoff points.
Speaker 2: You're the only guy, I mean, you're the only guy
Speaker 2: that's that's topping in points, rebounds and assists. I mean,
Speaker 2: no guy that has as many assists points as you
Speaker 2: got is even in the top ten. You're in the
Speaker 2: top five. And assists, I mean you you got forty
Speaker 2: eleven and eleven, forty thousand points, eleven thousand rebounds, eleven
Speaker 2: thousand assists. I think the only guy that maybe even
Speaker 2: can approach that is Lucas, and I don't think Lucas's
Speaker 2: body is gonna allow him to play that long.
Speaker 3: I just think the thing and he this is what
Speaker 3: he said.
Speaker 2: Lebron compared the way greatness is measured in other sports,
Speaker 2: noting athletes like Damn Marino, Barry Bonds are still celebrated
Speaker 2: regardless of their championship total. Yes, we still celebrate Barry
Speaker 2: and some people might and even though some people might
Speaker 2: say Barry is the greatest running back they ever saw.
Speaker 3: But it's hard.
Speaker 2: When you got Tim Duncan with all these rings, if
Speaker 2: he got these MVPs, he got finals MVPs, and to
Speaker 2: put somebody that doesn't have any in front.
Speaker 3: Of him, true, and.
Speaker 2: He's right, he said, added that a championship with the
Speaker 2: team accomplishment and shouldn't overshadow personal impact or skill, while
Speaker 2: asking for people to appreciate what these athletes have done
Speaker 2: but like trying to nitpick an individual because he was
Speaker 2: not able to win a team game or a team match,
Speaker 2: or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3: I don't know where it started.
Speaker 2: It's just as long as it's a conversation, especially when
Speaker 2: it comes like you know me individually.
Speaker 3: It's just weird.
Speaker 2: You just got to be careful when you're somebody like
Speaker 2: Lebron and you make statements like that, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. People can construe that like it's almost like
Speaker 2: you're talking to yourself, right right. That's how some people
Speaker 2: could take that statement, like you talking to yourself. Like, look, man,
Speaker 2: I don't have to be considered You don't have to
Speaker 2: have what everybody else had to be considered one of
Speaker 2: the greats, because I would imagine what he's alluding to.
Speaker 2: I don't have what they all have, and I'm considered
Speaker 2: one of the greats. I'm always in the conversation with Yes,
Speaker 2: that's he got the fak of most finals MVPs. He's
Speaker 2: been more First Team All NBA selections, he's gotten more
Speaker 2: NBA All All NBA selections.
Speaker 3: He's been the more All Star games.
Speaker 2: He's one MVP behind Kobe for the most MVP All
Speaker 2: Star Games. When you look at his total body of work,
Speaker 2: they are very very few people now when he talks
Speaker 2: about Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds got the most home runs,
Speaker 2: He's got the most walks, he's got the most intentional walks.
Speaker 2: He's got five hundred home runs. Nobody, nobody's even close.
Speaker 2: I mean, you just just take away. If you take
Speaker 2: away Barry Bonds when he went to San Francisco, he's
Speaker 2: still a Hall of Famer. He had three MVPs and
Speaker 2: he had almost five hundred home runs before he even
Speaker 2: stepped but.
Speaker 3: Col gloves because he was legitimate five tool player.
Speaker 2: He could hit for average, he could hit for power,
Speaker 2: he could run the base pass, he was a tremendous
Speaker 2: defensive player. And I because what people don't realize unless
Speaker 2: you're old enough to remember, Barry came up as a
Speaker 2: leadoff hitter. So you know the type of eyes that
Speaker 2: you got, because the most important thing for a leadoff
Speaker 2: hitter is to get his ass on.
Speaker 3: Baby.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter he can hit for single, he can
Speaker 2: hit for a double, hited over the fence, But I
Speaker 2: need you on base because now I got my guys
Speaker 2: to push the other the second, the other second hitter.
Speaker 2: He gives you the second you steal third. Now my guy,
Speaker 2: get a sack, file, get a Ribby, drive you in,
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3: So Barry always had that eye. Now he can hit
Speaker 3: for true power. I get what he said. I get
Speaker 3: what he's.
Speaker 2: Saying, like Barry Bonds, but those guys like he's looking
Speaker 2: at Barkley. Barkley didn't have the most points Marino. When
Speaker 2: Marino tired, Marino had the most touchdowns, He had the
Speaker 2: most yardy So it was easy for you to make
Speaker 2: that comparison. Now, I don't think we were talking about
Speaker 2: Kareem because big men don't get credit anyway. Because Kareem
Speaker 2: got six MVPs, and people forgetting that Kareem got six,
Speaker 2: he got more than anybody.
Speaker 3: I kill the all time leaves scor and people.
Speaker 2: I remember in nineteen eighty four, Thomas and Matt because
Speaker 2: but I don't know if people used to do they
Speaker 2: used to because nobody really would follow the NBA like that.
Speaker 2: They would go different places like Boston would play in
Speaker 2: Hartford trying to get fan support. The Hawks would play
Speaker 2: in New Orleans trying to drum up fan support. The
Speaker 2: Lakers traveled to Las Vegas to get fan support.
Speaker 3: That's where he broke it at in nineteen eighty four
Speaker 3: Thomas and Matt.
Speaker 2: My thing is when when like who's validation is like,
Speaker 2: that's a that's not a general stadium to me, when
Speaker 2: someone like Lebron James, who is probably one of the
Speaker 2: most covered athletes on the planet right has has dealt
Speaker 2: with more people in the media space than than anyone
Speaker 2: else possibly in sports, from from his teen years all
Speaker 2: the way up to now.
Speaker 3: His children are older than he was. Some of his
Speaker 3: children are older than he was when.
Speaker 2: He entered this media world, right, Yes, who's validation?
Speaker 3: Does that statement? Parken to?
Speaker 2: I wonder when you say some would say, someone would say,
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, it's it's almost like this
Speaker 2: someone who keeps invalidating his contributions that he's trying to
Speaker 2: prove wrong. And that's why I say, I don't know
Speaker 2: if he's talking to them on himself, you know, is
Speaker 2: that something that that he keeps in his mind right
Speaker 2: to remind himself you're great? You know, it's almost like tough,
Speaker 2: motivational speaking type of thing. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 2: because I don't want it to look like he's trying
Speaker 2: to downplay.
Speaker 3: People's opinions of what he does. So I don't even
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna please everybody though, Bud.
Speaker 2: But you know, but that's always been the thing about Lebron,
Speaker 2: Like he really wants to be seeing a certain way
Speaker 2: by people he like. You know what I'm saying with
Speaker 2: Kobe and Madge, Kobe and Mike with like kids my butt, Lebron.
Speaker 2: I think Lebron has bun me and the little bit
Speaker 2: that I've been around in he's genuine little nice guy.
Speaker 2: He really wants to be like he's I mean, like
Speaker 2: I said, I don't know him. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: some people might say whatever whatever, but I just know
Speaker 2: in the little bit that I've been around him, he's
Speaker 2: he's a he's a likable guy, and some guys like
Speaker 2: to be like some guys don't care if you like
Speaker 2: Mike does not does not care if you liked him
Speaker 2: or I shouldn't say ed like l I l I
Speaker 2: k E or l I k E ed like or
Speaker 2: liked Kobe rest his soul was the exact same way.
Speaker 2: So I think I think Lebron and I think what
Speaker 2: you're speaking to is the fact that Lebron, because of
Speaker 2: all this media training that he's had all of these years.
Speaker 2: Lebron feels like he's always done the right thing, yet
Speaker 2: the right thing played the right way. So I don't
Speaker 2: understand why everybody is not on the same accord when
Speaker 2: it comes to what I've done, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But it's because we've had people who have had you know,
Speaker 2: Lebron jain't was born to play basketball, yes, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like physically, like he was born to
Speaker 2: play the game. Everybody wasn't like that. Mike had to
Speaker 2: work to get there, Kobe had to work to get there.
Speaker 2: They weren't inherently born with these physical traits that Lebron
Speaker 2: was given, that body, that height, that speed, that size,
Speaker 2: and the thing. You know what, sometimes familiar that familiarity
Speaker 2: breeds resentment. Because Lebron is cool, cool with everybody else,
Speaker 2: they feel like they can take shots at it and
Speaker 2: they know you're not gonna shoot back in that way.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying That.
Speaker 2: I've been the nice guy, right, I've been the guy
Speaker 2: you know our because my brother was a little rough,
Speaker 2: so I had to try to come here and smooth
Speaker 2: everything out. But in every situation, sooner or later they
Speaker 2: can't get smooved out. So we you know, all that
Speaker 2: trying to keep everybody cool and calm. At some point
Speaker 2: you can be all of that and all and it
Speaker 2: still get punched in the mouth exactly because you know
Speaker 2: the Bible telling the Bible teachers and metaphorically like, hey,
Speaker 2: turn the other cheek. But you people, sometimes you gotta
Speaker 2: get You get tired of people just you know, uh,
Speaker 2: keep saying and do it and do it and do
Speaker 2: it and say it and saying, hey, I ain't gonna
Speaker 2: turn that. You'mna put something on you. Well, people play
Speaker 2: with you because they know you you will turn the
Speaker 2: other cheek. Yes, they anticipate you really not wanting to
Speaker 2: go there right every now and then you gotta pull
Speaker 2: on to the side and be like, hey man, I
Speaker 2: want a dog walk keep bro like I will dog
Speaker 2: don't don't. Don't play with me like that. Just because
Speaker 2: I don't don't mean I won't. That's always been my motter,
Speaker 2: Just because I don't don't mean I won't. Especially you're
Speaker 2: in somewhere like in your position or my position, because
Speaker 2: the more public you are, the less likely you're going
Speaker 2: to retaliate.
Speaker 3: And they take kindness for weakness.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's on television or X, Y and Z, he's
Speaker 2: the he got a business, he's this and that. So
Speaker 2: why would you why would you even try to get
Speaker 2: me out of character? First of all, you know that,
Speaker 2: So why not just just keep it moving. I understand
Speaker 2: I'm not everybody's cup of tea. Everybody. As a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, I don't really care for tea. So I
Speaker 2: understand everybody's not gonna care for shatter shark. Everybody gonna
Speaker 2: care for Bun or whomever the case may be. But
Speaker 2: I just think sometimes that's a losing battle. Well, I
Speaker 2: sometimes you just got to say, you know what it is,
Speaker 2: what it is. You don't like me, But I know
Speaker 2: there's enough people out there that do. There's a term
Speaker 2: that's used now for people that I don't want to
Speaker 2: run across, and that's crash out. I don't I don't
Speaker 2: want to be in a position to deal with nobody.
Speaker 2: Ain't got nothing to lose. I got too much to lose.
Speaker 2: I can't play with people like that.
Speaker 3: I got to just gone by my business right.
Speaker 2: So, and and looking, I keep looking at my dog
Speaker 2: because I'm waiting for somebody to knock on it with
Speaker 2: a shape bar Lapoitier package. Okay, because you didn't have
Speaker 2: a burger, and I ain't had no liquor.
Speaker 3: I supposed to be sipping on something right now.
Speaker 2: You supposa be sipping on something right now, Bun. But
Speaker 2: you know what, We're gonna get your address. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get you taken care of. I appreciate, I appreciate that'd
Speaker 2: be a nice little way to make the evening go
Speaker 2: by it Right now, Doc Rivers is pushing back against
Speaker 2: the trade speculation and involving Gianni's It's so ridiculous, and
Speaker 2: I've heard all these reports.
Speaker 3: You're all the stuff, but you don't like when you
Speaker 3: hear it.
Speaker 2: You're like, you know it's not true, but still your
Speaker 2: players hear it, and everybody else hears it. I don't
Speaker 2: know how many times Jannie had said he wants to
Speaker 2: be a Buck and he wants to win a title
Speaker 2: with the Bucks. And it's so cool to me because
Speaker 2: it's not the way. It's not the way it's done anymore.
Speaker 2: But with certain guys, I don't think Steph Curry would
Speaker 2: ever leave Golden State ever.
Speaker 3: I'm always hoping. Obviously Yannis feel the same way.
Speaker 2: That's the way it's been for so so far, and
Speaker 2: it's been great, it's been awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But the one thing that.
Speaker 2: Steph knew is that he knew Bob Myers and now
Speaker 2: Mike done Levy and the ownership of the Warriors would
Speaker 2: do everything humanly possible, even if it means being in
Speaker 2: the luxury tax and even being in that separate apron,
Speaker 2: second apron, year after year after year. Does Johannis feel
Speaker 2: that same way that the Bucks can put a team
Speaker 2: around him given the assets that deliverited, assets that they're
Speaker 2: have that can put them in contention to win or
Speaker 2: to compete year after year, Bun, there's a totally different
Speaker 2: situation because every organization isn't like the Warriors, and Doc
Speaker 2: knows that. I think the reason we're still in limbo
Speaker 2: with this whole thing is because Gianna's is not the
Speaker 2: one to show that, you know what I'm saying. His
Speaker 2: nature is not to buck the system. You can see
Speaker 2: that he really wants this to work. I believe, I
Speaker 2: believe he wants to win on that team in that city.
Speaker 2: I believe that he doesn't look like the kind of
Speaker 2: person that's like, oh well, let's go to lall, let's
Speaker 2: go here.
Speaker 3: He doesn't.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's the perfect city for a person
Speaker 2: like him and his nature, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that being said, something's got to give. I don't believe
Speaker 2: this organization will leave him behind. I believe they'll give him.
Speaker 2: If there was somebody he said we need this guy,
Speaker 2: they give him that guy if humanly possible. I don't
Speaker 2: see him wanting to leave that city and that team.
Speaker 2: But I don't think he feels like he's in a
Speaker 2: position where he has to right now. I do believe
Speaker 2: there's gonna be some pieces that are going to be
Speaker 2: available in this off season that if they could go
Speaker 2: and get one or two pieces that make him a
Speaker 2: little more comfortable.
Speaker 3: I don't think he wants to leave.
Speaker 2: I don't think he wants to start over in a
Speaker 2: new city with a new team, with new ownership. That
Speaker 2: doesn't seem like John's just ready to I just want
Speaker 2: to go where I can win.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have that.
Speaker 2: You see that in other players that are willing to
Speaker 2: go and leave a team or leave an organization. I
Speaker 2: just want to go why I feel I can win.
Speaker 2: That's primarily the reason why most guys say they want
Speaker 2: to leave is either money or the competitive nature of
Speaker 2: an organization. You know what I'm saying, I don't think
Speaker 2: he really wants to leave. I'm a Rockets fan, so
Speaker 2: I'm all for it. Big his handsOn down there. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I would love for him to
Speaker 2: lead because well, there's those are two different types of
Speaker 2: players for two different reasons. Kd' is a when Now like,
Speaker 2: if you bring KD in to your organization, you diad
Speaker 2: you one piece away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hell you bring you think you want piece of weight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But if you bring Yannison, you want piece of
Speaker 2: way that can work for you for another.
Speaker 3: Five potentially sub but for sure, for sure, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, You've got it.
Speaker 2: That's why I say, Kevin Durant is, if we bring
Speaker 2: him in, we got a two year window. You think
Speaker 2: you think that's it. No, I think that's what teams think. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: that's my thing. I think I think the age and
Speaker 2: the salary is gonna put people in a position where
Speaker 2: we just can't do it.
Speaker 3: And you but you see where he's looking.
Speaker 2: He's looking for teams with tax breaks, yep, right, But
Speaker 2: I think with Johnny's. I think Johnny's is a very wholesome,
Speaker 2: very family kind of guy. Haven't heard anything about them
Speaker 2: being wild or whatever. Because if he wanted a lifestyle,
Speaker 2: he wouldn't say where he's at. I think that's that
Speaker 2: city and that community is just enough for him, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because go to La.
Speaker 3: If he leaves it to go to.
Speaker 2: La or Team or or major major market, they're gonna
Speaker 2: demand a lot more of him.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I feel like Jis could go to the bakery, could
Speaker 2: go to the dry Leaders, and that lends us up
Speaker 2: to his lifestyle, you know what I'm saying. But certain
Speaker 2: other cities would demand the more out of him because
Speaker 2: they're a lot more media driven, there are a lot
Speaker 2: more sponsor driven, you know what I'm saying, And I
Speaker 2: think that would. I think that's a reason that keeps
Speaker 2: him with the Bucks because he's the biggest fish in
Speaker 2: that pond by fall. Yeah, but and I mean not
Speaker 2: on the team even in the city, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And he's one of the biggest deals there,
Speaker 2: a comfortable place to be if they can get in
Speaker 2: those pieces. And he's a guy that will not to
Speaker 2: cut you option. He's a guy that will let some
Speaker 2: bread go to yep. I believe that. But let me
Speaker 2: ask you this. Jannis has had success. He's won a championship.
Speaker 2: Once you start having success, you crave it. It's like
Speaker 2: success is a drug. I don't care what anybody tells you.
Speaker 2: You know this, Bud, I know this. Success is a
Speaker 2: drug and you crave it. And the more you have it,
Speaker 2: the more you want it. And the last thing that
Speaker 2: you want is that you have a taste of it.
Speaker 2: And it's almost like they let you sample it. You
Speaker 2: sample you like you buy. Okay, he sampled that success
Speaker 2: a championship. Now that's all that matters. He's got MVPs,
Speaker 2: he's got Defensive Player of the Years. The only thing
Speaker 2: that matters is Jiannis. Now, how many more will he stat?
Speaker 2: I don't think Giannis leaves for the in this next season.
Speaker 2: I don't think he leaves that quickly. You okay, and
Speaker 2: you know, but I do think this may be the
Speaker 2: last shot. I believe he's trying to be as patient
Speaker 2: as possible, But like you said, he's tasted it, and
Speaker 2: I think he's got enough. He's got enough basketball wisdom,
Speaker 2: and I to see if I was here, this would
Speaker 2: be over. If I played for this team, this wouldn't
Speaker 2: have even been a question because this guy plays that
Speaker 2: position much better than my guy. This guy coaches these
Speaker 2: situations better than my guy. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But Giannis is not a he's not a rock the
Speaker 2: boat kind of guy. It just don't seem like that
Speaker 2: to me. I feel like that's the kind of dude.
Speaker 2: You got to really mess over him or for him
Speaker 2: to really feel unappreciated. And I don't think he hit
Speaker 2: that wall yet in Milwaukee, but I do think they
Speaker 2: got They might have one more season on the clock though, Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: they got one more season. We're gonna see what you're
Speaker 2: doing the off season. We're gonna see what you're doing
Speaker 2: all Star Break. And if this time ain't shifted, something
Speaker 2: got to get. Something's got to get. South Carolina quarterback
Speaker 2: Leonora Sellers turned down an eight million dollar NIL to
Speaker 2: transfer to a different school. Lenoris's father told his son,
Speaker 2: you're nineteen, you don't need eight million dollars.
Speaker 3: You're in a great spot.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, bun, Do you think NIL
Speaker 2: is ruining college players because some are prioritizing the bag
Speaker 2: over a great situation? I think it's a blessing and
Speaker 2: a curse, right, you know, like I know, a lot
Speaker 2: of these young, young, young players predominantly from communities of color.
Speaker 2: This has always been a pathway to success, to change
Speaker 2: the scope of how your family dynamic exists, to change
Speaker 2: things from check to check.
Speaker 3: The generational wealth.
Speaker 2: And the draw to go and play in the NFL
Speaker 2: was what drove people for the most part, through high
Speaker 2: school through college to try to get to that big payoff.
Speaker 2: Well with nil being inserted, now, it's a blessing because
Speaker 2: kids don't have to wait that long and you know,
Speaker 2: like I know, that's it's a very small number that
Speaker 2: gets into the NFL, and even smaller they get that
Speaker 2: big deal out the door and gets that money. And
Speaker 2: so the opportunity to take care of your family and
Speaker 2: to set those things straight earlier is obviously a great
Speaker 2: thing for people to have. But you know, like I know,
Speaker 2: when some people get that check, they stop giving a ding.
Speaker 2: It really can stop the drive for people because be like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: I just signed this big check for five years and
Speaker 2: you know, one hundred and eighty million dollars and all
Speaker 2: that that. Yeah, but now if you're the face of
Speaker 2: the organization. Now you're the biggest cultural export from the
Speaker 2: city that you play for the a whole. The dynamic
Speaker 2: for all this shit starts changing when that money comes.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying for college players that potentially
Speaker 2: might not make it into the NFL, and there's a
Speaker 2: substantial number of those people even if they get nil saying,
Speaker 2: and we know it's only going to be four or
Speaker 2: five people that get real money exactly, there's only and
Speaker 2: I think that's something that we don't talk about enough
Speaker 2: when it comes to nil college athlete gameplay, is that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of money that gets inflicted into these universities,
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of money that's available, but that's
Speaker 2: gonna go to skill player, right, you know that's gonna
Speaker 2: go to skill play, quarterback, running back, wide receiver. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: people that put numbers on the board, that's who. Or
Speaker 2: the sack master, right, something like that, you know, a
Speaker 2: pass rusher, guy like that. So if you can get
Speaker 2: that money, get that's fine. Everybody gets money doesn't stop
Speaker 2: being driven. But if money's the deciding factor, determining factor,
Speaker 2: then yeah, that could be something that would stop somebody
Speaker 2: from wanting to.
Speaker 3: Go further and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you can get the money and you don't
Speaker 2: have to go in the NFL and risk your body
Speaker 2: and risk that pain, and you got a plan to
Speaker 2: do something with that money, I think it can work
Speaker 2: for you. I think it works to your benefit. But
Speaker 2: if you think happening through the porter from school to
Speaker 2: school is going to increase your value, you've got another
Speaker 2: thing coming that's not gonna for everybody. Like, if you've
Speaker 2: got a situation where you know, you know there's money
Speaker 2: waiting for you, that's fine. But and if you think
Speaker 2: you're taking that money now and it doesn't help you,
Speaker 2: that's the other side.
Speaker 3: And let me be clear about that. If you think
Speaker 3: the organization wants.
Speaker 2: University wants to pay you to come and play for
Speaker 2: that school, but you don't think they're contenders, and you
Speaker 2: don't think it's gonna, you know, look good on you
Speaker 2: on your record to play for a school that doesn't
Speaker 2: really have a good chance at winning anything, then I
Speaker 2: don't see how you get to the next check. If
Speaker 2: that's all you worried about, is that check right?
Speaker 3: You know? So it's a lot for families to navigate.
Speaker 2: I've seen players whose parents are you know they right now,
Speaker 2: like the high school parents are like, no, my boys
Speaker 2: friend to go to this tou It don't matter what
Speaker 2: college you go to, they gonna cut them a check.
Speaker 2: That like parents are actually saying that. Yeah, they're saying
Speaker 2: that right now. So you know, I wish the brother
Speaker 2: the best, but I don't. I think the portal. I
Speaker 2: think the portal works for a probably ten I think
Speaker 2: ten percent of people. The portal actually puts you in
Speaker 2: it like you have a skill set that can work
Speaker 2: almost anywhere, but this, this school will nurture your talent.
Speaker 3: They will put the right type of talent next.
Speaker 2: To you and you will learn and play and look
Speaker 2: like you want you to go to that next club.
Speaker 2: But I just think that's a very small group of people.
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people are being told
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of money, and let's be real,
Speaker 2: they can't A lot of university can't even pay you
Speaker 2: with this. They gonna pay you exactly, we're not even
Speaker 2: talking about that. How many college students are sitting there
Speaker 2: on campus with no money because the coach went over
Speaker 2: and told you from your mom and your grandmother. Than
Speaker 2: when they don't give you and then you get there
Speaker 2: and and boosters is somebody else like No, that money
Speaker 2: is advocated for the ball we got coming from over here.
Speaker 2: The volume