WEBVTT - Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc & Bun B talk about Trill Burger, Halliburton calf strain, and LeBron talks retirement!

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<v Speaker 1>The volume.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell on, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining

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<v Speaker 2>us for another episode of Nightcap.

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<v Speaker 3>Y'all know me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm your favorite, UNC shining sharp and look who's feeling

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<v Speaker 2>there for you? O Choe Sinko. That's right, the triple

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<v Speaker 2>call home now that one and only Bun b bun,

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<v Speaker 2>what it do?

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<v Speaker 3>Man?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good, I'm good. It's funny because I'm always called unk.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody calls me up and then I'm in here with unk,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's UNC and unk tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what it.

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<v Speaker 2>all right, make sure you got you know what bun.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna talk about this, the trill Burger. Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't yet to try the Trail Burger, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, ACX is one of my favorite cities. It

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<v Speaker 2>might be my favorite city, you know, and I'm an

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<v Speaker 2>Atlanta native. But you know what, We're gonna get the

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<v Speaker 2>at a minute. But let's talk about the Trio Burger. Yes, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>how did you come up with this concept? And I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be honest, Shannon, I didn't come up with the concept

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<v Speaker 2>of the burger, okay. I made friends with a gentleman

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<v Speaker 2>named Andy Wynn, probably over probably eleven years now. He

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<v Speaker 2>used to be in the clothing industry. So I met

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<v Speaker 2>him at the Magic Convention. The Magic Invention is a

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<v Speaker 2>huge clothing convention that happens in Las Vegas twice a year.

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<v Speaker 3>I met him there.

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<v Speaker 2>He had the clothing line called I Am King and

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<v Speaker 2>most of the people that are there they're showcasing. The

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<v Speaker 2>convention is from people who have clothing brands, shoe brands,

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<v Speaker 2>anything in that fashion, and people who sell. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a conference where people come, they look at your brand,

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<v Speaker 2>see if they want to put it in their store,

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<v Speaker 2>and that kind of a thing. So a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>what they've shown is just samples of what's to come.

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<v Speaker 2>Because if you go there in the summer of let's say,

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<v Speaker 2>if I go this summer in twenty five, what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>buying for them, I won't get your winner of your

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<v Speaker 2>mayby spring.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying. So you're right, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>So he had this hat with I Am King on it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I knew it was the only one he had,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I said, let me get that hat from you.

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<v Speaker 2>That way, I knew I was rocking something nobody else

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<v Speaker 2>would have back to convention, and so we were very cool,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he moved into food in California. He's done

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<v Speaker 2>extremely well for himself in the food industry. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>licensing genius, so he has a license for a Hello Kitty.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got a couple of stores with Hello Kitty. He's

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<v Speaker 2>got the license for this Japanese anime series called One Piece,

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<v Speaker 2>which is extremely successful. He had a sonic, the hedge

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<v Speaker 2>Hog Cafe. Before he had this. He his partners in

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<v Speaker 2>the ice cream company called After His ice Cream.

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<v Speaker 3>They opened over thirty plus doors.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's been extremely and this is just a small

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<v Speaker 2>number of the things that he's got his hands in.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's been very successful.

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<v Speaker 2>And he and his partners had developed a burger and

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<v Speaker 2>the smashburger trend was starting to take off in California

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So he was like, well, I can't do it

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<v Speaker 2>in California because it's too much competition, too many things

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<v Speaker 2>have too many companies got traction out of yet. I

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<v Speaker 2>need to move a little bit further down in the

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<v Speaker 2>country because kind of what happens is these trends will

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<v Speaker 2>take place and start in one part of the country

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<v Speaker 2>and then start to move across the country.

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<v Speaker 3>You know this.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe eight years ago you started seeing poke everywhere you go.

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<v Speaker 2>You start seeing poke poke. Okay, about four years ago

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<v Speaker 2>you started seeing hot chicken everywhere and everywhere you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you see slash burgers. Everybody's got a smash burger concept.

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<v Speaker 2>So he was like, if I don't catch it by

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<v Speaker 2>the time they get the Texas, I'm gonna miss the

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing. So we had a mutual friend, a guy

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<v Speaker 2>named Nick Stirfield. Nick used to work for the Texans.

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<v Speaker 2>I met him when we got whooped terribly by the Patriots.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you remember the that bought to the jacket field.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, that's why I met Nick. That was

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<v Speaker 2>a rough pill, y'all. Yeah, And we learned that we

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<v Speaker 2>weren't a big lesson about showing up is about on

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<v Speaker 2>the field, not about on the bush. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we we became good friends. And so he moved into

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<v Speaker 2>out of working with the Texans and starting a marketing

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<v Speaker 2>company and a promotional company. And so he was one

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<v Speaker 2>of his company was doing marketing for Andy's company. So

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<v Speaker 2>he reached out to Andy said, man, I'm really looking

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<v Speaker 2>to start this in Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>He was like, well, I know, Bun and Bun didn't

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<v Speaker 3>want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Do something in that space for a while because I

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<v Speaker 2>started a food blog about ten years ago called you

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<v Speaker 2>Got to Eat This Now. In all of minds, it

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<v Speaker 2>was me and my partner, Premium Pete. In all of minds,

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<v Speaker 2>we figured that we started a food blog, at the

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<v Speaker 2>very least, we'll be able to get tables at good

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<v Speaker 2>restaurants and yeah, but but if we do it right,

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<v Speaker 2>we might get invited to try, you know, hostless to

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<v Speaker 2>get some new snacks or you know, you always see

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<v Speaker 2>that big tackle bell presentation. It's almost as big as

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<v Speaker 2>the Apple with tim Cooking that come out and do

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<v Speaker 2>the new Apple presentations every year. When they popped them

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<v Speaker 2>new snacks out, I said, man, it'd be cool to

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<v Speaker 2>get invited to somewhere for they knew stuff and all

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<v Speaker 2>of that. But it really became a passion project. We

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<v Speaker 2>never made no real money out of it. There's always

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<v Speaker 2>been a passion project. But both of us wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>move into actually selling food and presenting food. So he

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<v Speaker 2>started a spaghetti sauce which.

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<v Speaker 3>Has been doing real well.

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<v Speaker 2>He used his grandmother's recipe which is doing really well.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was approached by the guys about being a

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<v Speaker 2>part of this company, and once I tried this burger,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, this burger is a problem, Like this

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<v Speaker 2>body is really really good. It was like, hold on,

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<v Speaker 2>we we think we almost did, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when they came back to me about two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks later, I said, man, this is this is some

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<v Speaker 2>of the best food I've I mean, not just a burger.

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<v Speaker 2>I realized this burger was far beyond anything anybody had

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<v Speaker 2>ever done with a hamburger. But I realized, you know

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<v Speaker 2>that this is a this is an opportunity. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>real opportunity for me to be a part of a

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<v Speaker 2>company that I believe could potentially change everybody that's involved

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, you know what I'm saying. And so far,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got two doors open here in Houston, one on

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<v Speaker 2>on Shepherd and one on the Weather, and we're about

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<v Speaker 2>to open two more before the end of the year,

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<v Speaker 2>which is driving us crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Most people right now, obviously what's going on, everybody's worried

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<v Speaker 2>about staff, you know what I'm saying, staff and people,

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<v Speaker 2>and even before everything that's happening in this country, man,

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<v Speaker 2>post COVID, people don't really want to work no more.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't want to work from home. But if you're

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<v Speaker 3>in the service industry, it's hard to work from home.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're in the service city, can't cook their burgers

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<v Speaker 2>from home and then send them to somebody house. That's

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<v Speaker 2>not how this stuff works, you know. But we're working

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<v Speaker 2>the King South, you know what I'm saying. We've had

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<v Speaker 2>our ups and downs, but you know, everything's been a

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<v Speaker 2>learning experience and it's beautiful that I get to connect

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<v Speaker 2>not only with people that have been supporters and fans,

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<v Speaker 2>because obviously the first people that come through the.

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<v Speaker 3>Door, you know, we're bum Bee fans, correct, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But we've had amazing opportunities to present this burger to

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<v Speaker 2>the entire city of Houston. For the past four years

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<v Speaker 2>with the Houston Life Start Sewing Rodeo, they get over

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<v Speaker 2>two million people through the gates every year and that's

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<v Speaker 2>where the city fell in love with the burger, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying. So we've had some great opportunities

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<v Speaker 2>to present this brand to the city in a big way.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been recepting and you know, obviously the bum Bee

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<v Speaker 2>fans and the UGK fans, they come throughout the gate

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<v Speaker 2>and show love. But now it's at the point, man,

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<v Speaker 2>We'll come in and you can tell these people have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea who I am, They have no idea what

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<v Speaker 2>trio means any of that.

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<v Speaker 3>They just know this is a good burger and that

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<v Speaker 3>works for me, you know what I'm saying. That's not

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<v Speaker 3>a day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's in the day or a moment where

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<v Speaker 2>you come in this restaurant and you don't really see

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<v Speaker 2>what Houston really reflects.

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<v Speaker 3>You see white people, you see black people.

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<v Speaker 2>You see Latina Asian, you see couples, you see single people,

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<v Speaker 2>old people, young people, straight people, any gender, any affiliation

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<v Speaker 2>with any religion. We've had them all come in, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying, because we want to represent a

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<v Speaker 2>version of Houston that's as inclusive as possible, that don't

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<v Speaker 2>block nobody out. So you ain't got to know who

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<v Speaker 2>bum Bee is. You ain't got a new trill lid,

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<v Speaker 2>got that big PEMPSI mirrel on the wall. They may

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<v Speaker 2>not even know who that man is. And the white

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<v Speaker 2>nick cooking. Yeah, but you know what, they know it's

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<v Speaker 2>good food. They know it's good food, and that's all

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<v Speaker 2>that matter. The thing is, you know, Bun Bee might

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<v Speaker 2>have got them in the door, but to get them

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<v Speaker 2>to come back, Bun Bee can't get them to come back.

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<v Speaker 2>Bun might have got him initially. Man, Hey man, I

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<v Speaker 2>heard Bun got a new spot down there. Man, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Bun always give them back to the commutery. Let's go

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<v Speaker 2>support it one time. It's just like you start something.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like over a new podcast. This is what I

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<v Speaker 2>tell people. I said, look, if you got a podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>I say, you can only get somebody once. You got

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<v Speaker 2>to leave an impression to say they want to come back,

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<v Speaker 2>because if you lose them, they're not coming back. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many content choices right now. Absolutely absolutely, And

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's the thing. And that's why I like about

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<v Speaker 2>you because y'all are so consistent. That's the number one

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<v Speaker 2>thing about podcasting. Not about gas, not about topics, not

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<v Speaker 2>about location, back drop, none of that mess.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about consistency. Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're telling people meet me here every tuesday. You

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<v Speaker 2>missed a Tuesday. Some of the people don't come back.

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<v Speaker 2>They ain't coming back. You're right, some of the people

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<v Speaker 2>don't come back. Man, That's what I tell them. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what that's what I try to tell people bun, because

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<v Speaker 2>here's the thing people think, because man, all you got

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<v Speaker 2>is a microphone and the camera. I can do that

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, Bun, the easier it is to make money,

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<v Speaker 2>the more resentful people will become of you. Because see,

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<v Speaker 2>people don't really really resent an athlete because man, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't run, I can't jump, I can't throw a football,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't tackle, I can't hit the baseball. But everybody

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<v Speaker 2>feel they can talk. So if I got a camera,

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<v Speaker 2>I got a microphone, I should be able to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And they see what some of these influencers and bloggers

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever the case may be, and to see what

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<v Speaker 2>they're making. But when I say, brug, you just don't

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<v Speaker 2>turn the camera on and start talking. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>have a staff, you have to have a top. But

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<v Speaker 2>you have to have a rundown. You need to know

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<v Speaker 2>what you want to talk about. You need to have

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<v Speaker 2>somebody to weave you in and out of traffic. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not as easy as it looks so but and people

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<v Speaker 2>like with man a man, But you know, A I

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<v Speaker 2>got to have a life. Okay, A life is fine

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<v Speaker 2>if that's what you want life. If you want life,

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<v Speaker 2>that's nine to five fine, you can have that. But

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<v Speaker 2>but when you know, when you become successful or you

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<v Speaker 2>want to become oover successful, there is no off time,

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<v Speaker 2>There is no nine to five, There is no balance greatness.

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<v Speaker 3>There is no balance to greatness. I don't know why

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<v Speaker 3>people don't understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, it is the thing, man, like when you

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<v Speaker 2>decide you want something, right, when you decide you really

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<v Speaker 2>really want something, then you have to figure out how

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<v Speaker 2>to restructure your life to benefit that. And you know, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a married man, you know, and there's been many

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<v Speaker 2>times where I've had to sacrifice family time for business. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. People don't see that. You

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<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying. People see you, you know, on

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<v Speaker 2>stage or on the TV or all of these things.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying and being available and accessible

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<v Speaker 2>to them. But every time I give my time to

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<v Speaker 2>the world, it's time I take away from my family.

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<v Speaker 2>So my family has to understand the sacrifice I'm making

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<v Speaker 2>for fum, you know what I'm saying. For the family.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying. So there's a lot to

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<v Speaker 2>go into it. But here's the first thing that dude,

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<v Speaker 2>people really want to even hear what you got to

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<v Speaker 2>say yes, Like like, there's a level of self awareness

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<v Speaker 2>that has to be present in podcasting for it to work.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you jump out that the first week you you

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna talk, mumble over your words, you're gonna mix

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<v Speaker 2>up things.

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<v Speaker 3>You know that the Wi fi ain't gonna hit.

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<v Speaker 2>Things ain't gonna work, you know what I'm saying, And

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<v Speaker 2>that will discourage most people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes out the dope.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you try to come back and push through it

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<v Speaker 2>and push through it and make it work. You gotta

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<v Speaker 2>decide if we if we, if we're gonna be a

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<v Speaker 2>guest driven podcast. We got to have somebody every time

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<v Speaker 2>we will to do a show that ain't easy. Everybody

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<v Speaker 2>ain't always available. O Jo Siko somewhere with a beret

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<v Speaker 2>owned equal sauce, you know what I'm saying. In France,

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere we win all over the place, you know. So,

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<v Speaker 2>so you got to have potential co host, potential guess.

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<v Speaker 2>People don't understand how hard it is to even book talent.

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<v Speaker 2>Bro Like, you got to have a book. It's so money,

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<v Speaker 2>so many different parts of this that have to be

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<v Speaker 2>moving succinctly before you even sit down. In the chat

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<v Speaker 2>I was on line for about five six minutes, talking

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<v Speaker 2>to two different people before you even pop up on

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<v Speaker 2>the screen. And that's but that's the level of commitment

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<v Speaker 2>that it takes, and that's requires it's serious.

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<v Speaker 3>Now. The problem is, like me with a recording arts.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very easy to gather the equipment and resources needed

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<v Speaker 2>to record a song and release the song to the public.

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<v Speaker 2>You buy a laptop, you know, Apple laptop. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>come with garage fans, you know the equipment. Every year,

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<v Speaker 2>recording equipment and excess is get cheaper and cheaper and cheaper.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's very easy to actually make the music, create

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<v Speaker 2>the music, and put the music out to the public.

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<v Speaker 2>But that don't mean you fin to blow up exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying. This stuff all take time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's trial and error. Everything's trialing.

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<v Speaker 3>Area is.

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<v Speaker 2>The first song I made was terrible. I can tell

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<v Speaker 2>you the first round I wrote. When I say bad,

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<v Speaker 2>my rap name was terrible. Backing my rap name used

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<v Speaker 2>to be Shadowstorm. So I just thought I had to

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<v Speaker 2>have one of these glorious type of names that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>would tell everybody who I was before I walked in

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<v Speaker 2>the room.

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<v Speaker 3>I was way off. They had nothing to do with that.

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<v Speaker 3>The name don't matter.

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<v Speaker 2>My rap name ended up being bun Beat, which don't

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<v Speaker 2>mean much of anything in the world of name, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying. So a man a man is

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<v Speaker 2>not made by his name, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>That had nothing to do with it. I had to

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<v Speaker 2>realize that if I want to be good at this,

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<v Speaker 2>I got it. If you want to be good at something,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta be pared to be prepared to actually be

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<v Speaker 2>bad at something, right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to walk in the room and be prepared

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<v Speaker 2>to tell these people, like you say on American Idol,

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<v Speaker 2>you just ain't ready.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you watch American Idol.

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<v Speaker 2>Most people don't watch it consistently, but if you watch

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<v Speaker 2>American Idol, you'll see somebody that you look familiar.

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<v Speaker 3>Y'all tried it out of season two and it didn't work.

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<v Speaker 2>So here I am season four trying it again, and

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<v Speaker 2>they might and they come here and y'all and then

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<v Speaker 2>and then on year five they hit They picked the

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<v Speaker 2>right song right. Sometimes it's the right song, the right look,

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<v Speaker 2>the right field, something in the moment they picked. And

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<v Speaker 2>then those people actually get on American Idol just because

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<v Speaker 2>you get a no don't doesn't mean it's not meant.

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<v Speaker 2>Field might just mean you not ready.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But it looks like you were giving the keys to

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<v Speaker 2>your hometown of Port Arthur, Texas. I mean, growing up,

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<v Speaker 2>could you have imagined that, growing up in Port Arthur,

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<v Speaker 2>that one day you would come back and have a

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<v Speaker 2>key to the city. You know, they gave me a

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<v Speaker 2>key to the city, my hometown. It was a crow ball.

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<v Speaker 2>But they say come back any time you like.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying. I can come back it,

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<v Speaker 3>I can come back any.

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<v Speaker 2>Time I want you, bud Nah with all seriousness, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>think about it, Bun, when you growing up and you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't brought I mean HTx is a hop skipping a

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<v Speaker 2>jump from Port k but for the city and it's

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<v Speaker 2>residence to show you love and what you've been able

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<v Speaker 2>to accomplish once you left, and to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>come back and to fully embrace you.

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<v Speaker 3>What does that mean to you? Bun? Let me tell

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<v Speaker 3>you something. I'm growing up in Porto.

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<v Speaker 2>If you had business on Fourth Street, somebody had to

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<v Speaker 2>pick you up from jail or you at he was

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<v Speaker 2>at court. Unless you work for the city, you really

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<v Speaker 2>ain't got no business on that part of Fourth Street,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. So being of value as

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<v Speaker 2>a black man in Portos on Fourth Street, you either

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<v Speaker 2>the mayor or that's it, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the only people, the mayor and the police chief.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are all the people in that part of town.

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<v Speaker 2>They got edi pout. If you on that side of town,

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<v Speaker 2>you did something wrong. So for me to be there tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>but do something right, I mean, it couldn't have even

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<v Speaker 2>been something I predicted what happened, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you really want to try to be built in

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<v Speaker 2>a certain way to get out of a small town,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. Like that's a big part

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<v Speaker 2>of it is like, man, I got to get out

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<v Speaker 2>of this town, you know what I'm saying. But you

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<v Speaker 2>don't forget the town, right, you don't turn your back

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<v Speaker 2>on the town who made That's what that's city made.

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<v Speaker 2>Bun the guy that we see and everybody see the

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<v Speaker 2>refined product. But it was shape. It was formed in

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<v Speaker 2>port Off of Texas. Absolutely, That's where I got my

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<v Speaker 2>determination from. Because you have to be determined to escape

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<v Speaker 2>certain environments in this country. You know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to have focus because it's a very small

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a very I don't want to say it's

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<v Speaker 2>a comfortable town, but it's a town that allows people

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<v Speaker 2>to high a level of comfort. If you hungry and

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<v Speaker 2>put off, you got a cousin, you know somebody mom,

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<v Speaker 2>you can get a meal, you can get a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars, you can get a bill, you can get

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, You get enough to get through,

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<v Speaker 2>which would make some people not even want to try

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<v Speaker 2>to do more.

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<v Speaker 3>Das.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying. So you know, I grew

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<v Speaker 2>up in a small town, Shaddy, You know, like I

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<v Speaker 2>know where they under the treat yep right like you

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<v Speaker 2>for years, since you was a kid, the same people

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<v Speaker 2>been right there, sitting there, sitting in them folding chairs

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<v Speaker 2>in a four point table, you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 2>with a little purple brown bag on the side of

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<v Speaker 2>playing dominoes, talking shit right there all day long. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just I just knew that's not the life I

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<v Speaker 2>want them now, That's okay. When I pull in town,

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<v Speaker 2>I pull up certain places, I sit down, I pull

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<v Speaker 2>up go fifth Avenue. I passed by Brad house, Brad

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<v Speaker 2>them in the garage, I sit down, hang out with

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<v Speaker 2>him for a minute or whatever. But neither Brad nor

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<v Speaker 2>I want that to be our life. But I do

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<v Speaker 2>see people, you know, older people that went to school

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<v Speaker 2>before me, people who you know, were you know, top athletes.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they was homecoming kings and all that type

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<v Speaker 2>of thing, and they just for some reason, the transition

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<v Speaker 2>didn't work for that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Going on from the king of high school to the

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<v Speaker 2>King of college is a whole different atmosphere for people,

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<v Speaker 2>much less being making it to the professional sports and

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<v Speaker 2>anything like that. So then there's not a lot of motivation,

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<v Speaker 2>like most people are like, no, we're good right here.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, and I'm not knocking anybody that lives

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, You have to do what

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<v Speaker 2>you have to do to make it in this world.

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<v Speaker 2>But I believe that I had more in me not

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<v Speaker 2>only to contribute to the world, but to also help

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<v Speaker 2>put my city on the map perverted, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. So me and Pip, you know, rest his

0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:35.679
<v Speaker 2>soul man, we really put a lot into it, and

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<v Speaker 2>we did it knowing that we came from a place

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<v Speaker 2>where if you went out there and misrepresented it, you

0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:42.640
<v Speaker 2>couldn't welcome when you come back. Right, So, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna take put off the around the world, you better

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<v Speaker 2>take it the right way. Let's get into some topics

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<v Speaker 2>a bun shop board, the concern that Tyre's Halliburton had

0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:02.760
<v Speaker 2>a cap string cap strain. Despite the industry, Halliburn will

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<v Speaker 2>to continue to push the play in a team's upcoming

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<v Speaker 2>game on Thursday, per The Atlantic.

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<v Speaker 3>Should the Pacers shut him down?

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<v Speaker 2>Now, we saw a guy about four or five years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>five six years ago, excuse me, have a calf injury

0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.560
<v Speaker 2>and he pushed to play one Kevin Durant and it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't end up well for it.

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<v Speaker 3>We saw JT Jason Tatum.

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<v Speaker 2>He went down earlier in the postseason with an achilles injury.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the debilitating injury. It's going to take you

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<v Speaker 2>out for the entirety of a complete season. Now, watching

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<v Speaker 2>the game last night, I thought, and I said this

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<v Speaker 2>last night, Rick Carlile, Tyree's Halliburton's Like, I understand, he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to play and he doesn't want to let his

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<v Speaker 2>teammate down, but you weren't giving him anything.

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<v Speaker 3>TJ.

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<v Speaker 2>McConnell was our playing you and you went back to

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<v Speaker 2>Tyreese Halliburton and the amount of minutes that TJ. McConnell played,

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<v Speaker 2>he I played Tyree's. I mean, if I'm out there,

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<v Speaker 2>and I understand guys want to be out there. I

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<v Speaker 2>was exit professional athlete and I wanted to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be out there.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's hard if I'm not giving you, If just

0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:07.200
<v Speaker 2>me being out there, that's not enough, not in that

0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:08.960
<v Speaker 2>type of situation.

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<v Speaker 3>What are your thoughts on that bunt?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, for one, you know your coach is supposed to

0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:17.080
<v Speaker 2>the coach is supposed to protect the players, right, you

0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.880
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying now, Tyler? You know, Tyler's postseason

0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:24.640
<v Speaker 2>has been built on how the league portrayed him, right, Yes,

0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:26.800
<v Speaker 2>the players got out there said he was the most

0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:29.440
<v Speaker 2>underrated that'll put a fire on fire under your feet

0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:32.120
<v Speaker 2>for show, yes, right. That pushed him all the way

0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:34.880
<v Speaker 2>up to the finals, to the conference finals, and then

0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:36.920
<v Speaker 2>I feel this could just be me, but I feel like,

0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:39.000
<v Speaker 2>see I can get in the MVP put another fire

0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:42.439
<v Speaker 2>on his feet a free So there's so much in

0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:46.760
<v Speaker 2>his mind that ty Reach really has to prove right now,

0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:49.200
<v Speaker 2>and I don't think it's just to himself. I really

0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:52.120
<v Speaker 2>think he really wants to show this league that he's

0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:54.479
<v Speaker 2>the best. I think he wants to prove it. The

0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:57.639
<v Speaker 2>beauty of your team is not necessarily that you're the best,

0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:00.320
<v Speaker 2>is that your team is deep, so that and you

0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:03.320
<v Speaker 2>aren't productive. You know what I'm saying, mccullull can come in,

0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:05.360
<v Speaker 2>see I can can come in. People can come in

0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:08.280
<v Speaker 2>and pick up that slack, you know what I'm saying.

0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:11.400
<v Speaker 2>We had that issue here when we had Chris Paul

0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:13.280
<v Speaker 2>in the playoffs with the Rockets. You know what I'm saying,

0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:17.199
<v Speaker 2>Chris pushed Who are Christmas? You know, Chris at that

0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:19.639
<v Speaker 2>time was you know, a little bit dealing with injuries,

0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:21.640
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, oft and artists to this day,

0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:26.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, as he played and he probably shouldn't have

0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:28.760
<v Speaker 2>pushed himself that far. If they had held him back

0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:30.600
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, we would have won one of those

0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:33.200
<v Speaker 2>two games had he not gone out, you know what

0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:35.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. We might have won the first one, but

0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:38.119
<v Speaker 2>we would have been competitive in both of those games.

0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:40.320
<v Speaker 2>So you really got to think of the long term

0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:42.600
<v Speaker 2>when these things happened. But I mean, you know, like

0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:45.480
<v Speaker 2>I know, Shannon, this is it ain't no basketball after this,

0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:50.800
<v Speaker 2>no anyway. So you played football, you know what, guys

0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:55.640
<v Speaker 2>were willing to live live on the field during the playoffs. Yeah,

0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:59.000
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna leave them all out on the field. I

0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:01.920
<v Speaker 2>remember with the you know, I'll pitch you in out

0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:05.360
<v Speaker 2>and we had the guy who's sitting in there, man,

0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:07.320
<v Speaker 2>and he's ready to go in. He's ready to go in,

0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:09.600
<v Speaker 2>and he had just pissed a while back, and he

0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:14.240
<v Speaker 2>was a little tender. But it's it's game seven, like,

0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:16.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm ready to go in. Put me in, and they're like, no,

0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:19.040
<v Speaker 2>because I just want to keep you on the contract

0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:20.480
<v Speaker 2>and make sure you're still good.

0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:21.480
<v Speaker 3>And the Astros ended up.

0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Loving for one game and then now now we got

0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:25.960
<v Speaker 2>you on the hook for one hundred and fifty million

0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:28.200
<v Speaker 2>dollars for the next six years, and you can't pitch.

0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:31.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know with you know, Luckily mccolors, when

0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Colors was just getting ready to come back. You know

0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:34.840
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying from two years of injury. So I

0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:37.840
<v Speaker 2>understand it. You know what I'm saying. It's hard to

0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:41.480
<v Speaker 2>stop a player, especially one is the money, right, obviously,

0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:43.040
<v Speaker 2>the money is a driver. I don't think that's a

0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:47.320
<v Speaker 2>factor in this. It's a competitive nature. It's the want

0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:49.640
<v Speaker 2>to prove that I am who I've said I am,

0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:52.120
<v Speaker 2>and I'm not who y'all try to say I am.

0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:54.480
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying. I think they got it.

0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:56.880
<v Speaker 2>I think they've got a rotation that they can work throughing.

0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:01.640
<v Speaker 2>But again, if they if they don't put him in

0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:05.800
<v Speaker 2>right or giving him restricted time, he's gonna blame himself

0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:08.199
<v Speaker 2>if they don't pull through and gainst it right. But

0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:12.240
<v Speaker 2>I think the thing is, look, he has to understand

0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:14.840
<v Speaker 2>he could. I mean, and I don't think. I don't

0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:17.520
<v Speaker 2>think he's overrated, but he happened to be in an

0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:21.640
<v Speaker 2>error with Steph Curry, with Luka Doncic, with Shay Gilgis

0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:25.360
<v Speaker 2>with James Harden. If you job around, if you look

0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:27.600
<v Speaker 2>at the guys he's up against, there was some good

0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:31.119
<v Speaker 2>two guards. But ain't nobody getting mentioned with Jordan. I'm sorry,

0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:33.320
<v Speaker 2>it's just the way it is. There's some there's some

0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:36.320
<v Speaker 2>really really good quarterbacks with Tom Brady, let me think

0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:38.320
<v Speaker 2>about it. There was a really good quarterback. So you

0:24:38.440 --> 0:24:40.440
<v Speaker 2>try to say that Peyton Manning and Ben Roethlisberger and

0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Philip Rivers and Drew Brees weren't good quarterbacks. But when

0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:47.080
<v Speaker 2>you got that guy, you just have to get what

0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:49.320
<v Speaker 2>people give you. And I think that's the thing with

0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:51.680
<v Speaker 2>Tyre's Halliburton. He could go out there and he could

0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:53.800
<v Speaker 2>average thirty. People are not gonna put him in front

0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:55.840
<v Speaker 2>of Steph. They're not gonna put him in front of Luca,

0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:57.400
<v Speaker 2>They're not gonna put him in front of Shade.

0:24:57.440 --> 0:24:58.320
<v Speaker 3>They're just not bun.

0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:03.080
<v Speaker 2>You know, look, go ahead, you're in the rap game, Bud,

0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:06.840
<v Speaker 2>and you know this. I mean when Tupac and Biggie,

0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:10.879
<v Speaker 2>let's just say Tupac Biggie hole uh k r s

0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:15.120
<v Speaker 2>one rock him, Big Daddy Kane. You got to take

0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:18.560
<v Speaker 2>take the tim Best rappers. Okay, everybody's gonna be talking

0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:20.960
<v Speaker 2>about the tim Best rappers. It's gonna be one or two.

0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:24.200
<v Speaker 2>And that's how it's always been and it's always gonna be.

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:26.480
<v Speaker 2>There's been some great R and B singers, a bunch

0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:28.119
<v Speaker 2>of them back in the y, you know, the eighties

0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:30.800
<v Speaker 2>or night if the R and B was king, but

0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 2>only Marvin Gaye if you want Marvin gay if you.

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:37.440
<v Speaker 3>Were Teddy p uh brug.

0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:42.639
<v Speaker 2>Baron White. Oh well, baby Fred you threw Freddy. Freddy

0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:45.159
<v Speaker 2>came along in there and Snuky Snucky in there. He

0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:47.160
<v Speaker 2>got a little time, Yeah, he got a little time.

0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 2>But it was basically Marvin Gay and Teddy p Look

0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:54.159
<v Speaker 2>that that doesn't mean you aren't a great player just

0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:58.439
<v Speaker 2>because you considered the greatest player, and that shouldn't affect

0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:01.280
<v Speaker 2>you mentally, you know what I'm saying. My favorite my

0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:06.000
<v Speaker 2>favorite player was always crawl for Jamal Crusts. Okay, yep, right,

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about one of the best to ever play

0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:12.200
<v Speaker 2>the game, right, but he was and he was always

0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:15.520
<v Speaker 2>considered the best sixth man, right. You know what I'm saying.

0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:18.159
<v Speaker 2>If somebody go down, I got us from here, you

0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:20.400
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying. And I feel like ty Reesis

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 2>is a player like I feel like the Pacers as

0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:23.280
<v Speaker 2>a team.

0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:25.120
<v Speaker 3>They ain't got no superstars on the.

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:28.679
<v Speaker 2>Team, but they got they but their mentality that everybody's

0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:29.600
<v Speaker 2>ready to step up.

0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:31.080
<v Speaker 3>Yes, you never know.

0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 2>It's really hard to game plan for them because you

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 2>never know who's gonna get that twenty five and then

0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:39.240
<v Speaker 2>who's gonna have the nineteen to eighteen to seventeen to sixteen.

0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:41.800
<v Speaker 2>They don't have that one guy and maybe in some

0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:44.919
<v Speaker 2>situations that hurt them because most teams that win championships

0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 2>they do have that one guy. They can give him

0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:49.400
<v Speaker 2>the ball and he can go get you a bucket.

0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 2>That's why we did that week. That's why we didn't

0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:53.960
<v Speaker 2>get further than we have because right now we have

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:56.280
<v Speaker 2>a very young team with a first time coach, and

0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:59.160
<v Speaker 2>we just don't have anybody that we could say, hey,

0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:01.159
<v Speaker 2>I need I need to too right now. If you

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:04.240
<v Speaker 2>have every team has to have somebody that can give

0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:07.640
<v Speaker 2>you that two when you need it consistently. Now, if

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:09.880
<v Speaker 2>you have a rotation where you know, if I, if

0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:11.359
<v Speaker 2>I get these guys who I want him in this

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:14.560
<v Speaker 2>particular scheme, we can make this work. But all of

0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:17.440
<v Speaker 2>that's wish for thinking I'm talking about and he's a two,

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:20.280
<v Speaker 2>he's a too, bro, that's a that's a tall.

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:21.120
<v Speaker 3>Lud of the climb bro.

0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a lot of wrongs to climb to try to,

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:27.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, to say that you are considered amongst the best, bro,

0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:30.880
<v Speaker 2>the best person that ever played this game played your position,

0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 2>the best ever to play the game played your position,

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:38.159
<v Speaker 2>some of the best, the best shooter ever to shoot

0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:41.080
<v Speaker 2>the basketball played in your position is going to be

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 2>a wild you got to have chips, You got to

0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 2>have a couple of you know what I'm saying, there's

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 2>a couple of things that have to that are going

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:52.439
<v Speaker 2>to have to come together in order for everyone to

0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 2>consider it t reased to be that player. That doesn't

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:57.119
<v Speaker 2>mean he won't be that player all right now. I

0:27:57.160 --> 0:28:00.439
<v Speaker 2>don't even think he has to be that player, you

0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:02.400
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying. I think they I don't think

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:04.120
<v Speaker 2>he has to be that player. But if it ain't

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:08.040
<v Speaker 2>his time, bro, you left thirty plus teams behind, bro, right,

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:11.359
<v Speaker 2>take some pride in that, and y'are only gonna get better.

0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 3>This team's only gonna get better.

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:15.080
<v Speaker 2>But right now, yeah, he's got to be very very

0:28:15.119 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 2>careful because he could do some real good. Yeah, yeah,

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 2>he could do some real damn And you know, like

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:22.520
<v Speaker 2>I know, it goes far beyond the physical side of

0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:25.200
<v Speaker 2>it in this point in the game, when you are

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 2>not at your top, you know what I'm saying, health

0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:30.960
<v Speaker 2>and performance, ability and capabilities in.

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:33.480
<v Speaker 3>The moments like right here, this is the biggest moment.

0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:36.359
<v Speaker 2>This is the stage that eight year old and seven

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 2>year old you know, guys, that's who they want to

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 2>be that's where they want to go. And when you're

0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 2>not an optimum pride position to take advantage of it, Man,

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:46.680
<v Speaker 2>that becomes far beyond physical. That's a mental thing that

0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 2>can cripple you mentally or it could supercharge you. I'm

0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:52.480
<v Speaker 2>gonna say this when we're gonna move on. Go back

0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 2>and look at Grant Hill. Grant Hill had a injury

0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 2>at Mankel injury and he played in the playoffs, and

0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Grant Hill was never the same. He was on his

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 2>way to being a historically great player. He could do

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:06.719
<v Speaker 2>it all. Go back and look at Grant Hill, and

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:09.240
<v Speaker 2>once he got that ankle injury, he was never the

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 2>same player. Guys, be careful. Lebron James is pushing back

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 2>on the idea that championship rings are the only measure

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 2>of greatness center back on back in basketball. On this

0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 2>new episode of Mind the Game podcast with Steve Nash,

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Lebron said, I don't know why it's discussed so much

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 2>in our sport and now why it's the end all,

0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 2>be all of everything. It's like, you aren't a great

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 2>player if you never won a championship, or if you

0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 2>won one. You can't be the same conversation as this person.

0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 2>You sit here and tell me Alan Iverson, Charles Barkley,

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 2>Steve Nash wasn't unbelievable. Oh, they can't be talked about

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 2>or discussed with these guys because they want It's weird

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 2>to me. It's like saying Peyton Manning can't be in

0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 2>the same room with Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes because

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 2>he only has one ring. Well, Peyton has two rings.

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:58.120
<v Speaker 2>But I get, I get what Lebron is trying to say.

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:03.520
<v Speaker 2>But that's that's what society, that's what social media, that's

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 2>what we've done. Now, we've turned everything into a ring.

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:10.160
<v Speaker 2>If you don't have a championship, it's almost And at

0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 2>what point of time it.

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Was like that with the Grammys, bud Man, you ain't

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 1>got no grap man, you ain't got no gravy. But

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.080
<v Speaker 1>some time to take that's what it takes to fuel

0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 1>you though, right if you if you would ask Lebron

0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 1>that pride to having a chip, that's his motivation, of

0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:29.120
<v Speaker 1>course it was.

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 2>That's his drive. That's what I want to be. I

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 2>want to be I want to be placed on the

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 2>mantol next to those other greats. Well, you have to

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 2>look at what those other great people have achieved. You

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 2>look at what their success is gauged by, you know

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, and who they played against, the level

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:48.959
<v Speaker 2>of competition. All of these things come into that. So

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 2>and and you got chips. I'm really gonna I don't

0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:53.400
<v Speaker 2>know who he's arguing.

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:54.400
<v Speaker 3>For, I think.

0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 2>But if you look at Lebron, look at the guys

0:30:57.320 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 2>that he out of lines, what do they have? Jordan ring,

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 2>magic rings, bird rings. So that are the three guys

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:06.920
<v Speaker 2>that we know he looked up to. What does all

0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:11.480
<v Speaker 2>those guys have in common? Championships? There's a reason why

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 2>he left because he wanted a championship. He felt that

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 2>the organization didn't have didn't have the word withal or

0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:23.200
<v Speaker 2>he didn't trust him to get the requisite pieces in Cleveland,

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 2>so he went to Miami. You see, it's a big

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 2>relief once you have something, because it's even for the

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:35.240
<v Speaker 2>person that says, man, would I'm gonna take me some time? Well, yeah,

0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Elon Buss can take a six month vacation, Jeff Bezos

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:41.360
<v Speaker 2>can take a six month vacation. But asking when they

0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 2>were building their business, did they take a six month vacation? Okay, now, Lebron,

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:49.680
<v Speaker 2>did you feel this way before you had championships or

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 2>after you got them. And I agree with everything he's saying.

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 2>I just believe this, bun when we're having a conversation

0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 2>and I got to put est on it. You got

0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:01.400
<v Speaker 2>to have championships. Now, I'm not saying you can't be

0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:03.720
<v Speaker 2>great because Charles Barkley. I'm old enough. You and I

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 2>old enough because we remember a lot of these cats.

0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 2>I remember Charles Barkley, I remember Karl Malone, I remember

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:12.920
<v Speaker 2>a Patrick You and I remember some of these great players.

0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 3>But when I need to add e st I just

0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:17.320
<v Speaker 3>don't know how I.

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 2>Can when you come from football. So Marina, that was

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:27.959
<v Speaker 2>always the argument about Marino. On every other level, up

0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:32.320
<v Speaker 2>against every other standard, he was always the limit sets

0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:35.800
<v Speaker 2>for the position. The only thing was and look, I'm

0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:39.280
<v Speaker 2>a Rockets fan, so we got those asterisks next to us.

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 3>But Jordan would play baseball. You know what I'm saying.

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 2>But no, I mean it's it's a very very real

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 2>thing to have the want to get a championship, which

0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 2>is what inspires and drives a lot of people. Yes,

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:57.640
<v Speaker 2>but when you're a grand of talent as Lebron, you know,

0:32:57.760 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 2>quite frankly, if you want to be in that conversation.

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 3>That there's a couple of things missing.

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:05.160
<v Speaker 2>We know you have the talent, we know you have

0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:08.280
<v Speaker 2>to Still that's never been a question with Lebron James,

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. But if you want to

0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:14.920
<v Speaker 2>be in that Mount Rushmore, you still have some work

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:17.680
<v Speaker 2>to do. And that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that.

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 2>He's actually still physically capable enough to do the work.

0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 3>But I think one.

0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't think this should be something that should be

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:28.560
<v Speaker 2>bothering Lebron James because he's going to succeed at a

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:31.960
<v Speaker 2>level that very few people in any sport.

0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Or any business will be able to succeed.

0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 2>But then also I don't know if that's something that

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 2>still is potentially could drive him because if that's who

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:43.960
<v Speaker 2>he's looking to compete with, how many more years would

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:47.640
<v Speaker 2>it realistically take him to get those extra two rings

0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 2>that he's probably looking at right now.

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:52.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? No, Like I said, so is this a the

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:56.840
<v Speaker 3>gate that argument preemptively? Is that what we're doing? I

0:33:56.840 --> 0:33:57.960
<v Speaker 3>think the thing is.

0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:00.440
<v Speaker 2>What people hold, They say when you jump, you went

0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 2>to Miami, you went to Cleveland, you went to LA

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 2>And so I think you know, he's like the rings

0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 2>I and when we talk about NFL players, they say

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:11.440
<v Speaker 2>the greatest, the greatest player.

0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:13.200
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Damn Reno is always on the list.

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:14.840
<v Speaker 2>The name that you miss it mentioned and I know

0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:17.239
<v Speaker 2>Dany have worked with him for a decade, knowing very

0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:20.920
<v Speaker 2>well we shared the same agents when we played.

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:23.560
<v Speaker 3>Is that he was always on the list.

0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Greatest player to never win a championship, that was Damn

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 2>ma Reno because he could throw the ball like no

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:32.080
<v Speaker 2>one else, that quick release, I mean five thousand passing yards,

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:34.880
<v Speaker 2>forty eight touchdown in an era when everybody ran the

0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:37.880
<v Speaker 2>football and you could hold, you could punish the quarterback.

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:39.759
<v Speaker 2>You could hit him everywhere, the top of his head,

0:34:39.760 --> 0:34:41.120
<v Speaker 2>even the bottom of his feet when he.

0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:42.919
<v Speaker 3>Laid down, you could hit him there too.

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:46.600
<v Speaker 2>So but I just think the thing is is what

0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:49.480
<v Speaker 2>happened is that we knew used to never have these

0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 2>argument because we didn't have social media.

0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 3>See now, but.

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Everybody's a coach, everybody's a GM, everybody's a former player,

0:34:57.480 --> 0:34:59.600
<v Speaker 2>And no matter how much you say I don't pay

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 2>attention to it, we're trained.

0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:02.800
<v Speaker 3>We do. We see the negative.

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 2>No matter how much money Elon Musk has he worth

0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:08.800
<v Speaker 2>four hundred billions.

0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:11.359
<v Speaker 3>He took a drug test to say, you know what,

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:12.240
<v Speaker 3>I ain't on drugs.

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:15.840
<v Speaker 2>You see, why would somebody saying you're a drug you

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 2>worth four hundred billion? What did you care? And and

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:25.799
<v Speaker 2>that's what happens when you know a good friend of mine,

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Dizney Raster. He's a recording artist in London, and on

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 2>one of his songs he said, you don't care about

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:34.959
<v Speaker 2>my rich man problems. I don't care about your bitch

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 2>ass problem. You know what I'm saying. And that's the reality.

0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 2>It's not that Lebron doesn't necessarily have a valid argument.

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I think there's the lenity into his argument. Of course,

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. But at the same time,

0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 2>you're Lebron James. You know what I'm saying. You've a

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:55.399
<v Speaker 2>come to me. These type of arguments almost belittle what

0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:59.439
<v Speaker 2>you've done. It's almost to the point of, well, yeah,

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:01.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean I want to couple of chips, right, which

0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 2>is something to celebrate. But I didn't win it as

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:05.399
<v Speaker 2>many chips as someone else, which other.

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:06.239
<v Speaker 3>People would look down.

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:11.759
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and what does that really Just like you said,

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:16.200
<v Speaker 2>like everybody's watching everything, we answer to the experts. Then

0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 2>we answer to the amateurs, and then we answer to

0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 2>the observers.

0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying.

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:24.480
<v Speaker 2>It's one thing to not watch ESPN, right, but it's

0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:26.719
<v Speaker 2>another thing, and it's another thing to put the phone down.

0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:28.200
<v Speaker 3>But even if people around.

0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 2>You will see what's being said, you're gonna get that

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:31.680
<v Speaker 2>information back.

0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:34.560
<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying. You just gotta you just

0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:35.600
<v Speaker 3>gotta be able to eat.

0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 2>I feel like at this point, you just gotta eat

0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:39.840
<v Speaker 2>all of that stuff, you know what I'm saying. But

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:43.640
<v Speaker 2>is this is he Is he saying that I don't

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:47.000
<v Speaker 2>need that to be considered great? So is he saying

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:50.200
<v Speaker 2>but he wanted it great? And that's my thing? Is

0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:52.040
<v Speaker 2>he trying to say? Am I one of the great?

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:54.480
<v Speaker 2>And that my lack of chips don't matter?

0:36:55.040 --> 0:36:57.319
<v Speaker 3>No? Because the people coming up behind you?

0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:00.800
<v Speaker 2>But you look like you holding a a hot hand

0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:04.319
<v Speaker 2>right now, right in the scopeland things, right in the

0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:05.480
<v Speaker 2>full scope of everything.

0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:08.719
<v Speaker 3>I think the thing is a bun. Is that? Bro?

0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:12.400
<v Speaker 3>You got more regular season points, more playoff points.

0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:14.520
<v Speaker 2>You're the only guy, I mean, you're the only guy

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:18.439
<v Speaker 2>that's that's topping in points, rebounds and assists. I mean,

0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:21.279
<v Speaker 2>no guy that has as many assists points as you

0:37:21.360 --> 0:37:23.680
<v Speaker 2>got is even in the top ten. You're in the

0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:27.080
<v Speaker 2>top five. And assists, I mean you you got forty

0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:30.719
<v Speaker 2>eleven and eleven, forty thousand points, eleven thousand rebounds, eleven

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:33.439
<v Speaker 2>thousand assists. I think the only guy that maybe even

0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:36.040
<v Speaker 2>can approach that is Lucas, and I don't think Lucas's

0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:37.800
<v Speaker 2>body is gonna allow him to play that long.

0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:39.759
<v Speaker 3>I just think the thing and he this is what

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:40.200
<v Speaker 3>he said.

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Lebron compared the way greatness is measured in other sports,

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:46.840
<v Speaker 2>noting athletes like Damn Marino, Barry Bonds are still celebrated

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:51.240
<v Speaker 2>regardless of their championship total. Yes, we still celebrate Barry

0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:55.759
<v Speaker 2>and some people might and even though some people might

0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:59.239
<v Speaker 2>say Barry is the greatest running back they ever saw.

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:00.960
<v Speaker 3>But it's hard.

0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:04.960
<v Speaker 2>When you got Tim Duncan with all these rings, if

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 2>he got these MVPs, he got finals MVPs, and to

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 2>put somebody that doesn't have any in front.

0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:12.839
<v Speaker 3>Of him, true, and.

0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:15.160
<v Speaker 2>He's right, he said, added that a championship with the

0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:19.799
<v Speaker 2>team accomplishment and shouldn't overshadow personal impact or skill, while

0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:22.719
<v Speaker 2>asking for people to appreciate what these athletes have done

0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 2>but like trying to nitpick an individual because he was

0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:28.239
<v Speaker 2>not able to win a team game or a team match,

0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:29.319
<v Speaker 2>or whatever the case may be.

0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:30.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know where it started.

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 2>It's just as long as it's a conversation, especially when

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:36.160
<v Speaker 2>it comes like you know me individually.

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:36.880
<v Speaker 3>It's just weird.

0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:39.960
<v Speaker 2>You just got to be careful when you're somebody like

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Lebron and you make statements like that, you know what

0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:46.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. People can construe that like it's almost like

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:50.240
<v Speaker 2>you're talking to yourself, right right. That's how some people

0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:53.040
<v Speaker 2>could take that statement, like you talking to yourself. Like, look, man,

0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:54.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't have to be considered You don't have to

0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 2>have what everybody else had to be considered one of

0:38:57.200 --> 0:38:59.880
<v Speaker 2>the greats, because I would imagine what he's alluding to.

0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't have what they all have, and I'm considered

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:05.640
<v Speaker 2>one of the greats. I'm always in the conversation with Yes,

0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:08.799
<v Speaker 2>that's he got the fak of most finals MVPs. He's

0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:12.200
<v Speaker 2>been more First Team All NBA selections, he's gotten more

0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:15.120
<v Speaker 2>NBA All All NBA selections.

0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:16.920
<v Speaker 3>He's been the more All Star games.

0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:21.200
<v Speaker 2>He's one MVP behind Kobe for the most MVP All

0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:24.120
<v Speaker 2>Star Games. When you look at his total body of work,

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:27.239
<v Speaker 2>they are very very few people now when he talks

0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:30.280
<v Speaker 2>about Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds got the most home runs,

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:33.160
<v Speaker 2>He's got the most walks, he's got the most intentional walks.

0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:36.520
<v Speaker 2>He's got five hundred home runs. Nobody, nobody's even close.

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you just just take away. If you take

0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 2>away Barry Bonds when he went to San Francisco, he's

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.680
<v Speaker 2>still a Hall of Famer. He had three MVPs and

0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:46.960
<v Speaker 2>he had almost five hundred home runs before he even

0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:47.480
<v Speaker 2>stepped but.

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:53.920
<v Speaker 3>Col gloves because he was legitimate five tool player.

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:56.040
<v Speaker 2>He could hit for average, he could hit for power,

0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:58.759
<v Speaker 2>he could run the base pass, he was a tremendous

0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:02.120
<v Speaker 2>defensive player. And I because what people don't realize unless

0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:04.320
<v Speaker 2>you're old enough to remember, Barry came up as a

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:06.840
<v Speaker 2>leadoff hitter. So you know the type of eyes that

0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:08.800
<v Speaker 2>you got, because the most important thing for a leadoff

0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:10.120
<v Speaker 2>hitter is to get his ass on.

0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:10.399
<v Speaker 3>Baby.

0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter he can hit for single, he can

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 2>hit for a double, hited over the fence, But I

0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:18.320
<v Speaker 2>need you on base because now I got my guys

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:20.799
<v Speaker 2>to push the other the second, the other second hitter.

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:24.200
<v Speaker 2>He gives you the second you steal third. Now my guy,

0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:26.680
<v Speaker 2>get a sack, file, get a Ribby, drive you in,

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:27.680
<v Speaker 2>whatever the case may be.

0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:31.480
<v Speaker 3>So Barry always had that eye. Now he can hit

0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:35.399
<v Speaker 3>for true power. I get what he said. I get

0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:35.799
<v Speaker 3>what he's.

0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:39.120
<v Speaker 2>Saying, like Barry Bonds, but those guys like he's looking

0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:44.000
<v Speaker 2>at Barkley. Barkley didn't have the most points Marino. When

0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Marino tired, Marino had the most touchdowns, He had the

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:48.600
<v Speaker 2>most yardy So it was easy for you to make

0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:52.439
<v Speaker 2>that comparison. Now, I don't think we were talking about

0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Kareem because big men don't get credit anyway. Because Kareem

0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:58.439
<v Speaker 2>got six MVPs, and people forgetting that Kareem got six,

0:40:58.560 --> 0:40:59.680
<v Speaker 2>he got more than anybody.

0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:02.360
<v Speaker 3>I kill the all time leaves scor and people.

0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:05.360
<v Speaker 2>I remember in nineteen eighty four, Thomas and Matt because

0:41:05.719 --> 0:41:07.200
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know if people used to do they

0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:10.200
<v Speaker 2>used to because nobody really would follow the NBA like that.

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 2>They would go different places like Boston would play in

0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Hartford trying to get fan support. The Hawks would play

0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:19.680
<v Speaker 2>in New Orleans trying to drum up fan support. The

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Lakers traveled to Las Vegas to get fan support.

0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:26.480
<v Speaker 3>That's where he broke it at in nineteen eighty four

0:41:26.640 --> 0:41:27.319
<v Speaker 3>Thomas and Matt.

0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:41.400
<v Speaker 2>My thing is when when like who's validation is like,

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:45.160
<v Speaker 2>that's a that's not a general stadium to me, when

0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 2>someone like Lebron James, who is probably one of the

0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:52.000
<v Speaker 2>most covered athletes on the planet right has has dealt

0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:55.040
<v Speaker 2>with more people in the media space than than anyone

0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:58.520
<v Speaker 2>else possibly in sports, from from his teen years all

0:41:58.560 --> 0:41:59.359
<v Speaker 2>the way up to now.

0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:02.279
<v Speaker 3>His children are older than he was. Some of his

0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:03.760
<v Speaker 3>children are older than he was when.

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:08.960
<v Speaker 2>He entered this media world, right, Yes, who's validation?

0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:11.520
<v Speaker 3>Does that statement? Parken to?

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:15.680
<v Speaker 2>I wonder when you say some would say, someone would say,

0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:19.880
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, you know, it's it's almost like this

0:42:20.160 --> 0:42:25.560
<v Speaker 2>someone who keeps invalidating his contributions that he's trying to

0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:28.319
<v Speaker 2>prove wrong. And that's why I say, I don't know

0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:32.640
<v Speaker 2>if he's talking to them on himself, you know, is

0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:37.919
<v Speaker 2>that something that that he keeps in his mind right

0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 2>to remind himself you're great? You know, it's almost like tough,

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:45.240
<v Speaker 2>motivational speaking type of thing. You know what I'm saying

0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:48.480
<v Speaker 2>because I don't want it to look like he's trying

0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:49.879
<v Speaker 2>to downplay.

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:53.040
<v Speaker 3>People's opinions of what he does. So I don't even

0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:55.399
<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna please everybody though, Bud.

0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 2>But you know, but that's always been the thing about Lebron,

0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Like he really wants to be seeing a certain way

0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:03.279
<v Speaker 2>by people he like. You know what I'm saying with

0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Kobe and Madge, Kobe and Mike with like kids my butt, Lebron.

0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:10.680
<v Speaker 2>I think Lebron has bun me and the little bit

0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 2>that I've been around in he's genuine little nice guy.

0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:18.120
<v Speaker 2>He really wants to be like he's I mean, like

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:19.640
<v Speaker 2>I said, I don't know him. I mean, you know,

0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:21.920
<v Speaker 2>some people might say whatever whatever, but I just know

0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:25.080
<v Speaker 2>in the little bit that I've been around him, he's

0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 2>he's a he's a likable guy, and some guys like

0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:32.880
<v Speaker 2>to be like some guys don't care if you like

0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:36.279
<v Speaker 2>Mike does not does not care if you liked him

0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:39.920
<v Speaker 2>or I shouldn't say ed like l I l I

0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:42.719
<v Speaker 2>k E or l I k E ed like or

0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:46.439
<v Speaker 2>liked Kobe rest his soul was the exact same way.

0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:49.560
<v Speaker 2>So I think I think Lebron and I think what

0:43:49.560 --> 0:43:52.360
<v Speaker 2>you're speaking to is the fact that Lebron, because of

0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:54.920
<v Speaker 2>all this media training that he's had all of these years.

0:43:55.320 --> 0:43:58.399
<v Speaker 2>Lebron feels like he's always done the right thing, yet

0:43:58.440 --> 0:44:00.879
<v Speaker 2>the right thing played the right way. So I don't

0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:04.480
<v Speaker 2>understand why everybody is not on the same accord when

0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:07.840
<v Speaker 2>it comes to what I've done, you know what I'm saying.

0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:12.839
<v Speaker 2>But it's because we've had people who have had you know,

0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:16.799
<v Speaker 2>Lebron jain't was born to play basketball, yes, you know

0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:19.560
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, Like physically, like he was born to

0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:22.480
<v Speaker 2>play the game. Everybody wasn't like that. Mike had to

0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:24.719
<v Speaker 2>work to get there, Kobe had to work to get there.

0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:28.560
<v Speaker 2>They weren't inherently born with these physical traits that Lebron

0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 2>was given, that body, that height, that speed, that size,

0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:35.880
<v Speaker 2>and the thing. You know what, sometimes familiar that familiarity

0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:39.879
<v Speaker 2>breeds resentment. Because Lebron is cool, cool with everybody else,

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:42.520
<v Speaker 2>they feel like they can take shots at it and

0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:44.279
<v Speaker 2>they know you're not gonna shoot back in that way.

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:47.040
<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying That.

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:51.279
<v Speaker 2>I've been the nice guy, right, I've been the guy

0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:53.560
<v Speaker 2>you know our because my brother was a little rough,

0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:55.560
<v Speaker 2>so I had to try to come here and smooth

0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:58.719
<v Speaker 2>everything out. But in every situation, sooner or later they

0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:01.920
<v Speaker 2>can't get smooved out. So we you know, all that

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:04.480
<v Speaker 2>trying to keep everybody cool and calm. At some point

0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:06.600
<v Speaker 2>you can be all of that and all and it

0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:09.279
<v Speaker 2>still get punched in the mouth exactly because you know

0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:13.080
<v Speaker 2>the Bible telling the Bible teachers and metaphorically like, hey,

0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:17.160
<v Speaker 2>turn the other cheek. But you people, sometimes you gotta

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:20.040
<v Speaker 2>get You get tired of people just you know, uh,

0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:21.960
<v Speaker 2>keep saying and do it and do it and do

0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:23.839
<v Speaker 2>it and say it and saying, hey, I ain't gonna

0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:26.279
<v Speaker 2>turn that. You'mna put something on you. Well, people play

0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:28.400
<v Speaker 2>with you because they know you you will turn the

0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:32.560
<v Speaker 2>other cheek. Yes, they anticipate you really not wanting to

0:45:32.600 --> 0:45:35.160
<v Speaker 2>go there right every now and then you gotta pull

0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:36.640
<v Speaker 2>on to the side and be like, hey man, I

0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:39.480
<v Speaker 2>want a dog walk keep bro like I will dog

0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:41.680
<v Speaker 2>don't don't. Don't play with me like that. Just because

0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't don't mean I won't. That's always been my motter,

0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:47.879
<v Speaker 2>Just because I don't don't mean I won't. Especially you're

0:45:47.880 --> 0:45:51.240
<v Speaker 2>in somewhere like in your position or my position, because

0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:54.279
<v Speaker 2>the more public you are, the less likely you're going

0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:55.120
<v Speaker 2>to retaliate.

0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:56.920
<v Speaker 3>And they take kindness for weakness.

0:45:57.120 --> 0:45:59.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh, he's on television or X, Y and Z, he's

0:45:59.880 --> 0:46:02.319
<v Speaker 2>the he got a business, he's this and that. So

0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:04.279
<v Speaker 2>why would you why would you even try to get

0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:06.719
<v Speaker 2>me out of character? First of all, you know that,

0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:09.880
<v Speaker 2>So why not just just keep it moving. I understand

0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:12.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm not everybody's cup of tea. Everybody. As a matter

0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:14.400
<v Speaker 2>of fact, I don't really care for tea. So I

0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:17.359
<v Speaker 2>understand everybody's not gonna care for shatter shark. Everybody gonna

0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:19.400
<v Speaker 2>care for Bun or whomever the case may be. But

0:46:19.480 --> 0:46:22.840
<v Speaker 2>I just think sometimes that's a losing battle. Well, I

0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:25.120
<v Speaker 2>sometimes you just got to say, you know what it is,

0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:27.120
<v Speaker 2>what it is. You don't like me, But I know

0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 2>there's enough people out there that do. There's a term

0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:32.520
<v Speaker 2>that's used now for people that I don't want to

0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:35.359
<v Speaker 2>run across, and that's crash out. I don't I don't

0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:36.920
<v Speaker 2>want to be in a position to deal with nobody.

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:38.719
<v Speaker 2>Ain't got nothing to lose. I got too much to lose.

0:46:39.120 --> 0:46:40.239
<v Speaker 2>I can't play with people like that.

0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:42.480
<v Speaker 3>I got to just gone by my business right.

0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:46.560
<v Speaker 2>So, and and looking, I keep looking at my dog

0:46:46.600 --> 0:46:48.800
<v Speaker 2>because I'm waiting for somebody to knock on it with

0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:52.799
<v Speaker 2>a shape bar Lapoitier package. Okay, because you didn't have

0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:55.320
<v Speaker 2>a burger, and I ain't had no liquor.

0:46:55.760 --> 0:46:57.399
<v Speaker 3>I supposed to be sipping on something right now.

0:46:57.440 --> 0:47:00.279
<v Speaker 2>You supposa be sipping on something right now, Bun. But

0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:02.239
<v Speaker 2>you know what, We're gonna get your address. I'm gonna

0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:05.600
<v Speaker 2>get you taken care of. I appreciate, I appreciate that'd

0:47:05.640 --> 0:47:07.319
<v Speaker 2>be a nice little way to make the evening go

0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:10.480
<v Speaker 2>by it Right now, Doc Rivers is pushing back against

0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:14.000
<v Speaker 2>the trade speculation and involving Gianni's It's so ridiculous, and

0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:15.360
<v Speaker 2>I've heard all these reports.

0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:17.319
<v Speaker 3>You're all the stuff, but you don't like when you

0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:17.680
<v Speaker 3>hear it.

0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:20.480
<v Speaker 2>You're like, you know it's not true, but still your

0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:23.000
<v Speaker 2>players hear it, and everybody else hears it. I don't

0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:26.040
<v Speaker 2>know how many times Jannie had said he wants to

0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:27.920
<v Speaker 2>be a Buck and he wants to win a title

0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:30.280
<v Speaker 2>with the Bucks. And it's so cool to me because

0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:33.120
<v Speaker 2>it's not the way. It's not the way it's done anymore.

0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:35.799
<v Speaker 2>But with certain guys, I don't think Steph Curry would

0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:37.080
<v Speaker 2>ever leave Golden State ever.

0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:39.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm always hoping. Obviously Yannis feel the same way.

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:42.560
<v Speaker 2>That's the way it's been for so so far, and

0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:44.360
<v Speaker 2>it's been great, it's been awesome.

0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:46.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. But the one thing that.

0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:51.359
<v Speaker 2>Steph knew is that he knew Bob Myers and now

0:47:51.480 --> 0:47:56.239
<v Speaker 2>Mike done Levy and the ownership of the Warriors would

0:47:56.280 --> 0:48:00.799
<v Speaker 2>do everything humanly possible, even if it means being in

0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:03.560
<v Speaker 2>the luxury tax and even being in that separate apron,

0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:08.480
<v Speaker 2>second apron, year after year after year. Does Johannis feel

0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:11.960
<v Speaker 2>that same way that the Bucks can put a team

0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:16.040
<v Speaker 2>around him given the assets that deliverited, assets that they're

0:48:16.160 --> 0:48:19.680
<v Speaker 2>have that can put them in contention to win or

0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:23.200
<v Speaker 2>to compete year after year, Bun, there's a totally different

0:48:23.200 --> 0:48:27.399
<v Speaker 2>situation because every organization isn't like the Warriors, and Doc

0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:31.120
<v Speaker 2>knows that. I think the reason we're still in limbo

0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:34.279
<v Speaker 2>with this whole thing is because Gianna's is not the

0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:37.520
<v Speaker 2>one to show that, you know what I'm saying. His

0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 2>nature is not to buck the system. You can see

0:48:40.040 --> 0:48:43.640
<v Speaker 2>that he really wants this to work. I believe, I

0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:46.880
<v Speaker 2>believe he wants to win on that team in that city.

0:48:46.960 --> 0:48:49.279
<v Speaker 2>I believe that he doesn't look like the kind of

0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:52.160
<v Speaker 2>person that's like, oh well, let's go to lall, let's

0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:52.520
<v Speaker 2>go here.

0:48:52.560 --> 0:48:53.000
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't.

0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I feel like that's the perfect city for a person

0:48:56.440 --> 0:48:59.960
<v Speaker 2>like him and his nature, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:04.840
<v Speaker 2>that being said, something's got to give. I don't believe

0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:08.560
<v Speaker 2>this organization will leave him behind. I believe they'll give him.

0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:10.799
<v Speaker 2>If there was somebody he said we need this guy,

0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:14.600
<v Speaker 2>they give him that guy if humanly possible. I don't

0:49:14.640 --> 0:49:18.960
<v Speaker 2>see him wanting to leave that city and that team.

0:49:19.080 --> 0:49:21.680
<v Speaker 2>But I don't think he feels like he's in a

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:24.880
<v Speaker 2>position where he has to right now. I do believe

0:49:24.960 --> 0:49:27.279
<v Speaker 2>there's gonna be some pieces that are going to be

0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:30.440
<v Speaker 2>available in this off season that if they could go

0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:33.560
<v Speaker 2>and get one or two pieces that make him a

0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:34.640
<v Speaker 2>little more comfortable.

0:49:34.719 --> 0:49:35.799
<v Speaker 3>I don't think he wants to leave.

0:49:35.840 --> 0:49:37.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he wants to start over in a

0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:40.360
<v Speaker 2>new city with a new team, with new ownership. That

0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:43.560
<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem like John's just ready to I just want

0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:44.399
<v Speaker 2>to go where I can win.

0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:45.400
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't have that.

0:49:45.560 --> 0:49:47.719
<v Speaker 2>You see that in other players that are willing to

0:49:47.760 --> 0:49:50.560
<v Speaker 2>go and leave a team or leave an organization. I

0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:52.239
<v Speaker 2>just want to go why I feel I can win.

0:49:52.560 --> 0:49:55.600
<v Speaker 2>That's primarily the reason why most guys say they want

0:49:55.600 --> 0:49:58.000
<v Speaker 2>to leave is either money or the competitive nature of

0:49:58.000 --> 0:50:01.040
<v Speaker 2>an organization. You know what I'm saying, I don't think

0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:04.880
<v Speaker 2>he really wants to leave. I'm a Rockets fan, so

0:50:05.280 --> 0:50:07.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm all for it. Big his handsOn down there. You

0:50:07.719 --> 0:50:09.640
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying. I would love for him to

0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:14.680
<v Speaker 2>lead because well, there's those are two different types of

0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:18.239
<v Speaker 2>players for two different reasons. Kd' is a when Now like,

0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:20.120
<v Speaker 2>if you bring KD in to your organization, you diad

0:50:20.160 --> 0:50:21.000
<v Speaker 2>you one piece away.

0:50:21.320 --> 0:50:23.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, hell you bring you think you want piece of weight.

0:50:24.239 --> 0:50:26.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But if you bring Yannison, you want piece of

0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:29.120
<v Speaker 2>way that can work for you for another.

0:50:28.800 --> 0:50:31.480
<v Speaker 3>Five potentially sub but for sure, for sure, you know

0:50:31.520 --> 0:50:32.440
<v Speaker 3>what I'm saying, You've got it.

0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:35.040
<v Speaker 2>That's why I say, Kevin Durant is, if we bring

0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:37.359
<v Speaker 2>him in, we got a two year window. You think

0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:41.440
<v Speaker 2>you think that's it. No, I think that's what teams think. Okay, okay,

0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:43.680
<v Speaker 2>that's my thing. I think I think the age and

0:50:44.000 --> 0:50:46.600
<v Speaker 2>the salary is gonna put people in a position where

0:50:46.760 --> 0:50:47.600
<v Speaker 2>we just can't do it.

0:50:47.800 --> 0:50:49.319
<v Speaker 3>And you but you see where he's looking.

0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:52.880
<v Speaker 2>He's looking for teams with tax breaks, yep, right, But

0:50:53.239 --> 0:50:55.800
<v Speaker 2>I think with Johnny's. I think Johnny's is a very wholesome,

0:50:56.320 --> 0:50:58.640
<v Speaker 2>very family kind of guy. Haven't heard anything about them

0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:01.480
<v Speaker 2>being wild or whatever. Because if he wanted a lifestyle,

0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:04.120
<v Speaker 2>he wouldn't say where he's at. I think that's that

0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:09.359
<v Speaker 2>city and that community is just enough for him, right, Yeah,

0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:10.520
<v Speaker 2>because go to La.

0:51:11.120 --> 0:51:12.759
<v Speaker 3>If he leaves it to go to.

0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:16.320
<v Speaker 2>La or Team or or major major market, they're gonna

0:51:16.360 --> 0:51:17.960
<v Speaker 2>demand a lot more of him.

0:51:18.000 --> 0:51:18.160
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:51:18.200 --> 0:51:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I feel like Jis could go to the bakery, could

0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:23.440
<v Speaker 2>go to the dry Leaders, and that lends us up

0:51:23.480 --> 0:51:26.280
<v Speaker 2>to his lifestyle, you know what I'm saying. But certain

0:51:26.320 --> 0:51:28.919
<v Speaker 2>other cities would demand the more out of him because

0:51:28.960 --> 0:51:30.719
<v Speaker 2>they're a lot more media driven, there are a lot

0:51:30.760 --> 0:51:33.360
<v Speaker 2>more sponsor driven, you know what I'm saying, And I

0:51:33.400 --> 0:51:36.440
<v Speaker 2>think that would. I think that's a reason that keeps

0:51:36.520 --> 0:51:40.200
<v Speaker 2>him with the Bucks because he's the biggest fish in

0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:44.120
<v Speaker 2>that pond by fall. Yeah, but and I mean not

0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:46.880
<v Speaker 2>on the team even in the city, you know what

0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:50.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. And he's one of the biggest deals there,

0:51:51.200 --> 0:51:52.840
<v Speaker 2>a comfortable place to be if they can get in

0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:55.680
<v Speaker 2>those pieces. And he's a guy that will not to

0:51:55.680 --> 0:51:57.600
<v Speaker 2>cut you option. He's a guy that will let some

0:51:57.719 --> 0:52:00.600
<v Speaker 2>bread go to yep. I believe that. But let me

0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:04.719
<v Speaker 2>ask you this. Jannis has had success. He's won a championship.

0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Once you start having success, you crave it. It's like

0:52:10.640 --> 0:52:13.440
<v Speaker 2>success is a drug. I don't care what anybody tells you.

0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:15.560
<v Speaker 2>You know this, Bud, I know this. Success is a

0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:18.440
<v Speaker 2>drug and you crave it. And the more you have it,

0:52:18.480 --> 0:52:20.880
<v Speaker 2>the more you want it. And the last thing that

0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:22.920
<v Speaker 2>you want is that you have a taste of it.

0:52:23.520 --> 0:52:26.279
<v Speaker 2>And it's almost like they let you sample it. You

0:52:26.360 --> 0:52:30.520
<v Speaker 2>sample you like you buy. Okay, he sampled that success

0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:35.359
<v Speaker 2>a championship. Now that's all that matters. He's got MVPs,

0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:37.799
<v Speaker 2>he's got Defensive Player of the Years. The only thing

0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:41.280
<v Speaker 2>that matters is Jiannis. Now, how many more will he stat?

0:52:41.960 --> 0:52:44.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't think Giannis leaves for the in this next season.

0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:48.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he leaves that quickly. You okay, and

0:52:48.960 --> 0:52:53.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, but I do think this may be the

0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:55.080
<v Speaker 2>last shot. I believe he's trying to be as patient

0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:58.359
<v Speaker 2>as possible, But like you said, he's tasted it, and

0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I think he's got enough. He's got enough basketball wisdom,

0:53:02.480 --> 0:53:06.239
<v Speaker 2>and I to see if I was here, this would

0:53:06.280 --> 0:53:09.480
<v Speaker 2>be over. If I played for this team, this wouldn't

0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:12.759
<v Speaker 2>have even been a question because this guy plays that

0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:15.839
<v Speaker 2>position much better than my guy. This guy coaches these

0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:18.280
<v Speaker 2>situations better than my guy. You know what I'm saying.

0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:21.279
<v Speaker 2>But Giannis is not a he's not a rock the

0:53:21.320 --> 0:53:23.319
<v Speaker 2>boat kind of guy. It just don't seem like that

0:53:23.480 --> 0:53:25.600
<v Speaker 2>to me. I feel like that's the kind of dude.

0:53:25.600 --> 0:53:28.560
<v Speaker 2>You got to really mess over him or for him

0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:31.640
<v Speaker 2>to really feel unappreciated. And I don't think he hit

0:53:31.719 --> 0:53:35.120
<v Speaker 2>that wall yet in Milwaukee, but I do think they

0:53:35.200 --> 0:53:40.520
<v Speaker 2>got They might have one more season on the clock though, Yeah, absolutely,

0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:43.000
<v Speaker 2>they got one more season. We're gonna see what you're

0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:44.839
<v Speaker 2>doing the off season. We're gonna see what you're doing

0:53:44.880 --> 0:53:48.240
<v Speaker 2>all Star Break. And if this time ain't shifted, something

0:53:48.239 --> 0:53:52.320
<v Speaker 2>got to get. Something's got to get. South Carolina quarterback

0:53:52.400 --> 0:53:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Leonora Sellers turned down an eight million dollar NIL to

0:53:56.120 --> 0:54:00.120
<v Speaker 2>transfer to a different school. Lenoris's father told his son,

0:54:00.239 --> 0:54:02.720
<v Speaker 2>you're nineteen, you don't need eight million dollars.

0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:03.640
<v Speaker 3>You're in a great spot.

0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:06.720
<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you this, bun, Do you think NIL

0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:13.280
<v Speaker 2>is ruining college players because some are prioritizing the bag

0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:18.360
<v Speaker 2>over a great situation? I think it's a blessing and

0:54:18.400 --> 0:54:21.359
<v Speaker 2>a curse, right, you know, like I know, a lot

0:54:21.400 --> 0:54:24.879
<v Speaker 2>of these young, young, young players predominantly from communities of color.

0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:30.240
<v Speaker 2>This has always been a pathway to success, to change

0:54:30.640 --> 0:54:34.400
<v Speaker 2>the scope of how your family dynamic exists, to change

0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:35.520
<v Speaker 2>things from check to check.

0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:37.000
<v Speaker 3>The generational wealth.

0:54:37.320 --> 0:54:40.960
<v Speaker 2>And the draw to go and play in the NFL

0:54:41.280 --> 0:54:44.640
<v Speaker 2>was what drove people for the most part, through high

0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:48.120
<v Speaker 2>school through college to try to get to that big payoff.

0:54:48.800 --> 0:54:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Well with nil being inserted, now, it's a blessing because

0:54:53.080 --> 0:54:55.400
<v Speaker 2>kids don't have to wait that long and you know,

0:54:55.480 --> 0:54:57.799
<v Speaker 2>like I know, that's it's a very small number that

0:54:57.840 --> 0:55:00.480
<v Speaker 2>gets into the NFL, and even smaller they get that

0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:04.600
<v Speaker 2>big deal out the door and gets that money. And

0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:07.040
<v Speaker 2>so the opportunity to take care of your family and

0:55:07.080 --> 0:55:11.479
<v Speaker 2>to set those things straight earlier is obviously a great

0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:14.120
<v Speaker 2>thing for people to have. But you know, like I know,

0:55:14.239 --> 0:55:16.640
<v Speaker 2>when some people get that check, they stop giving a ding.

0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:23.440
<v Speaker 2>It really can stop the drive for people because be like, oh, man,

0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:25.200
<v Speaker 2>I just signed this big check for five years and

0:55:25.360 --> 0:55:26.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, one hundred and eighty million dollars and all

0:55:26.960 --> 0:55:28.640
<v Speaker 2>that that. Yeah, but now if you're the face of

0:55:28.680 --> 0:55:32.239
<v Speaker 2>the organization. Now you're the biggest cultural export from the

0:55:32.280 --> 0:55:35.120
<v Speaker 2>city that you play for the a whole. The dynamic

0:55:35.160 --> 0:55:38.040
<v Speaker 2>for all this shit starts changing when that money comes.

0:55:38.239 --> 0:55:42.600
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying for college players that potentially

0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:44.920
<v Speaker 2>might not make it into the NFL, and there's a

0:55:45.000 --> 0:55:49.000
<v Speaker 2>substantial number of those people even if they get nil saying,

0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:50.400
<v Speaker 2>and we know it's only going to be four or

0:55:50.440 --> 0:55:53.920
<v Speaker 2>five people that get real money exactly, there's only and

0:55:54.000 --> 0:55:56.439
<v Speaker 2>I think that's something that we don't talk about enough

0:55:56.480 --> 0:56:00.480
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to nil college athlete gameplay, is that, Yeah,

0:56:00.520 --> 0:56:03.279
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of money that gets inflicted into these universities,

0:56:03.280 --> 0:56:05.919
<v Speaker 2>and there's a lot of money that's available, but that's

0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:09.160
<v Speaker 2>gonna go to skill player, right, you know that's gonna

0:56:09.200 --> 0:56:13.880
<v Speaker 2>go to skill play, quarterback, running back, wide receiver. Absolutely,

0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:16.040
<v Speaker 2>people that put numbers on the board, that's who. Or

0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:18.319
<v Speaker 2>the sack master, right, something like that, you know, a

0:56:18.320 --> 0:56:23.319
<v Speaker 2>pass rusher, guy like that. So if you can get

0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:27.480
<v Speaker 2>that money, get that's fine. Everybody gets money doesn't stop

0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:31.360
<v Speaker 2>being driven. But if money's the deciding factor, determining factor,

0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:34.440
<v Speaker 2>then yeah, that could be something that would stop somebody

0:56:34.480 --> 0:56:35.080
<v Speaker 2>from wanting to.

0:56:35.040 --> 0:56:36.160
<v Speaker 3>Go further and.

0:56:38.160 --> 0:56:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you can get the money and you don't

0:56:40.120 --> 0:56:42.520
<v Speaker 2>have to go in the NFL and risk your body

0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:44.800
<v Speaker 2>and risk that pain, and you got a plan to

0:56:44.880 --> 0:56:47.279
<v Speaker 2>do something with that money, I think it can work

0:56:47.400 --> 0:56:50.759
<v Speaker 2>for you. I think it works to your benefit. But

0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:53.719
<v Speaker 2>if you think happening through the porter from school to

0:56:53.760 --> 0:56:57.520
<v Speaker 2>school is going to increase your value, you've got another

0:56:57.600 --> 0:57:01.879
<v Speaker 2>thing coming that's not gonna for everybody. Like, if you've

0:57:01.920 --> 0:57:04.880
<v Speaker 2>got a situation where you know, you know there's money

0:57:04.880 --> 0:57:08.279
<v Speaker 2>waiting for you, that's fine. But and if you think

0:57:08.320 --> 0:57:10.239
<v Speaker 2>you're taking that money now and it doesn't help you,

0:57:10.280 --> 0:57:10.959
<v Speaker 2>that's the other side.

0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:13.000
<v Speaker 3>And let me be clear about that. If you think

0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:14.760
<v Speaker 3>the organization wants.

0:57:15.040 --> 0:57:17.360
<v Speaker 2>University wants to pay you to come and play for

0:57:17.360 --> 0:57:19.400
<v Speaker 2>that school, but you don't think they're contenders, and you

0:57:19.400 --> 0:57:22.280
<v Speaker 2>don't think it's gonna, you know, look good on you

0:57:22.960 --> 0:57:25.200
<v Speaker 2>on your record to play for a school that doesn't

0:57:25.320 --> 0:57:28.720
<v Speaker 2>really have a good chance at winning anything, then I

0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:30.400
<v Speaker 2>don't see how you get to the next check. If

0:57:30.400 --> 0:57:32.600
<v Speaker 2>that's all you worried about, is that check right?

0:57:33.320 --> 0:57:36.080
<v Speaker 3>You know? So it's a lot for families to navigate.

0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:39.760
<v Speaker 2>I've seen players whose parents are you know they right now,

0:57:39.920 --> 0:57:42.400
<v Speaker 2>like the high school parents are like, no, my boys

0:57:42.400 --> 0:57:43.840
<v Speaker 2>friend to go to this tou It don't matter what

0:57:43.880 --> 0:57:45.440
<v Speaker 2>college you go to, they gonna cut them a check.

0:57:48.080 --> 0:57:51.280
<v Speaker 2>That like parents are actually saying that. Yeah, they're saying

0:57:51.280 --> 0:57:53.959
<v Speaker 2>that right now. So you know, I wish the brother

0:57:54.040 --> 0:57:57.640
<v Speaker 2>the best, but I don't. I think the portal. I

0:57:57.640 --> 0:58:03.600
<v Speaker 2>think the portal works for a probably ten I think

0:58:03.640 --> 0:58:06.480
<v Speaker 2>ten percent of people. The portal actually puts you in

0:58:06.560 --> 0:58:08.400
<v Speaker 2>it like you have a skill set that can work

0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:12.120
<v Speaker 2>almost anywhere, but this, this school will nurture your talent.

0:58:12.200 --> 0:58:14.280
<v Speaker 3>They will put the right type of talent next.

0:58:14.120 --> 0:58:16.160
<v Speaker 2>To you and you will learn and play and look

0:58:16.200 --> 0:58:17.880
<v Speaker 2>like you want you to go to that next club.

0:58:18.320 --> 0:58:21.760
<v Speaker 2>But I just think that's a very small group of people.

0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:23.680
<v Speaker 2>And I think a lot of people are being told

0:58:23.720 --> 0:58:26.160
<v Speaker 2>that there's a lot of money, and let's be real,

0:58:26.320 --> 0:58:28.200
<v Speaker 2>they can't A lot of university can't even pay you

0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:30.800
<v Speaker 2>with this. They gonna pay you exactly, we're not even

0:58:30.840 --> 0:58:34.120
<v Speaker 2>talking about that. How many college students are sitting there

0:58:34.160 --> 0:58:37.520
<v Speaker 2>on campus with no money because the coach went over

0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:39.240
<v Speaker 2>and told you from your mom and your grandmother. Than

0:58:39.240 --> 0:58:41.880
<v Speaker 2>when they don't give you and then you get there

0:58:42.000 --> 0:58:44.360
<v Speaker 2>and and boosters is somebody else like No, that money

0:58:44.360 --> 0:58:46.240
<v Speaker 2>is advocated for the ball we got coming from over here.

0:58:47.840 --> 0:58:48.520
<v Speaker 2>The volume