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Speaker 2: Hell on, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about this, the trill Burger. Now, I

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Speaker 2: haven't yet to try the Trail Burger, but you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, ACX is one of my favorite cities. It

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Speaker 2: might be my favorite city, you know, and I'm an

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Speaker 2: Atlanta native. But you know what, We're gonna get the

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Speaker 2: at a minute. But let's talk about the Trio Burger. Yes, sir,

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Speaker 2: how did you come up with this concept? And I'll

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Speaker 2: be honest, Shannon, I didn't come up with the concept

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Speaker 2: of the burger, okay. I made friends with a gentleman

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Speaker 2: named Andy Wynn, probably over probably eleven years now. He

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Speaker 2: used to be in the clothing industry. So I met

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Speaker 2: He had the clothing line called I Am King and

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Speaker 2: most of the people that are there they're showcasing. The

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Speaker 2: anything in that fashion, and people who sell. So it's

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Speaker 2: a conference where people come, they look at your brand,

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Speaker 2: Because if you go there in the summer of let's say,

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. So you're right, yep.

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Speaker 2: So he had this hat with I Am King on it,

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Speaker 2: and then he moved into food in California. He's done

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Speaker 2: you started seeing hot chicken everywhere and everywhere you go.

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Speaker 2: started a food blog about ten years ago called you

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Speaker 2: Got to Eat This Now. In all of minds, it

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Speaker 2: He used his grandmother's recipe which is doing really well.

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Speaker 2: And I was approached by the guys about being a

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Speaker 2: I was like, this burger is a problem, Like this

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Speaker 2: Most people right now, obviously what's going on, everybody's worried

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Speaker 3: You don't want to work from home. But if you're

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Speaker 2: And you're in the service city, can't cook their burgers

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Speaker 3: Door, you know, we're bum Bee fans, correct, you know.

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Speaker 2: But we've had amazing opportunities to present this burger to

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Speaker 2: They've been recepting and you know, obviously the bum Bee

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Speaker 3: They just know this is a good burger and that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's in the day or a moment where

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Speaker 2: It's like over a new podcast. This is what I

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Speaker 2: People don't understand how hard it is to even book talent.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So you know, I grew

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Speaker 2: a cap string cap strain. Despite the industry, Halliburn will

435
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,520
Speaker 2: to continue to push the play in a team's upcoming

436
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,320
Speaker 2: game on Thursday, per The Atlantic.

437
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,680
Speaker 3: Should the Pacers shut him down?

438
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,240
Speaker 2: Now, we saw a guy about four or five years ago,

439
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,160
Speaker 2: five six years ago, excuse me, have a calf injury

440
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 2: and he pushed to play one Kevin Durant and it

441
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:19,840
Speaker 2: didn't end up well for it.

442
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 3: We saw JT Jason Tatum.

443
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 2: He went down earlier in the postseason with an achilles injury.

444
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,879
Speaker 2: And that's the debilitating injury. It's going to take you

445
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 2: out for the entirety of a complete season. Now, watching

446
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,520
Speaker 2: the game last night, I thought, and I said this

447
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 2: last night, Rick Carlile, Tyree's Halliburton's Like, I understand, he

448
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,359
Speaker 2: wants to play and he doesn't want to let his

449
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 2: teammate down, but you weren't giving him anything.

450
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 3: TJ.

451
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 2: McConnell was our playing you and you went back to

452
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,639
Speaker 2: Tyreese Halliburton and the amount of minutes that TJ. McConnell played,

453
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 2: he I played Tyree's. I mean, if I'm out there,

454
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,439
Speaker 2: and I understand guys want to be out there. I

455
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,160
Speaker 2: was exit professional athlete and I wanted to.

456
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 3: Be out there.

457
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,919
Speaker 2: But it's hard if I'm not giving you, If just

458
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 2: me being out there, that's not enough, not in that

459
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 2: type of situation.

460
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on that bunt?

461
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 2: Well, for one, you know your coach is supposed to

462
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 2: the coach is supposed to protect the players, right, you

463
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,880
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying now, Tyler? You know, Tyler's postseason

464
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 2: has been built on how the league portrayed him, right, Yes,

465
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 2: the players got out there said he was the most

466
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,440
Speaker 2: underrated that'll put a fire on fire under your feet

467
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,120
Speaker 2: for show, yes, right. That pushed him all the way

468
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 2: up to the finals, to the conference finals, and then

469
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 2: I feel this could just be me, but I feel like,

470
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 2: see I can get in the MVP put another fire

471
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,439
Speaker 2: on his feet a free So there's so much in

472
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 2: his mind that ty Reach really has to prove right now,

473
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 2: and I don't think it's just to himself. I really

474
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 2: think he really wants to show this league that he's

475
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,479
Speaker 2: the best. I think he wants to prove it. The

476
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 2: beauty of your team is not necessarily that you're the best,

477
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 2: is that your team is deep, so that and you

478
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 2: aren't productive. You know what I'm saying, mccullull can come in,

479
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 2: see I can can come in. People can come in

480
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: and pick up that slack, you know what I'm saying.

481
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 2: We had that issue here when we had Chris Paul

482
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 2: in the playoffs with the Rockets. You know what I'm saying,

483
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,199
Speaker 2: Chris pushed Who are Christmas? You know, Chris at that

484
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 2: time was you know, a little bit dealing with injuries,

485
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, oft and artists to this day,

486
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 2: you know, as he played and he probably shouldn't have

487
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 2: pushed himself that far. If they had held him back

488
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: a little bit, we would have won one of those

489
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 2: two games had he not gone out, you know what

490
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 2: I'm saying. We might have won the first one, but

491
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 2: we would have been competitive in both of those games.

492
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 2: So you really got to think of the long term

493
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 2: when these things happened. But I mean, you know, like

494
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 2: I know, Shannon, this is it ain't no basketball after this,

495
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 2: no anyway. So you played football, you know what, guys

496
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 2: were willing to live live on the field during the playoffs. Yeah,

497
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 2: they're gonna leave them all out on the field. I

498
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 2: remember with the you know, I'll pitch you in out

499
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 2: and we had the guy who's sitting in there, man,

500
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: and he's ready to go in. He's ready to go in,

501
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 2: and he had just pissed a while back, and he

502
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: was a little tender. But it's it's game seven, like,

503
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 2: I'm ready to go in. Put me in, and they're like, no,

504
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 2: because I just want to keep you on the contract

505
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 2: and make sure you're still good.

506
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 3: And the Astros ended up.

507
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: Loving for one game and then now now we got

508
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 2: you on the hook for one hundred and fifty million

509
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 2: dollars for the next six years, and you can't pitch.

510
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you know with you know, Luckily mccolors, when

511
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 2: Colors was just getting ready to come back. You know

512
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: what I'm saying from two years of injury. So I

513
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: understand it. You know what I'm saying. It's hard to

514
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: stop a player, especially one is the money, right, obviously,

515
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 2: the money is a driver. I don't think that's a

516
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 2: factor in this. It's a competitive nature. It's the want

517
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 2: to prove that I am who I've said I am,

518
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 2: and I'm not who y'all try to say I am.

519
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I think they got it.

520
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 2: I think they've got a rotation that they can work throughing.

521
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 2: But again, if they if they don't put him in

522
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: right or giving him restricted time, he's gonna blame himself

523
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 2: if they don't pull through and gainst it right. But

524
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 2: I think the thing is, look, he has to understand

525
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: he could. I mean, and I don't think. I don't

526
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 2: think he's overrated, but he happened to be in an

527
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 2: error with Steph Curry, with Luka Doncic, with Shay Gilgis

528
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 2: with James Harden. If you job around, if you look

529
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: at the guys he's up against, there was some good

530
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 2: two guards. But ain't nobody getting mentioned with Jordan. I'm sorry,

531
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: it's just the way it is. There's some there's some

532
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: really really good quarterbacks with Tom Brady, let me think

533
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: about it. There was a really good quarterback. So you

534
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 2: try to say that Peyton Manning and Ben Roethlisberger and

535
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 2: Philip Rivers and Drew Brees weren't good quarterbacks. But when

536
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: you got that guy, you just have to get what

537
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: people give you. And I think that's the thing with

538
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 2: Tyre's Halliburton. He could go out there and he could

539
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: average thirty. People are not gonna put him in front

540
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 2: of Steph. They're not gonna put him in front of Luca,

541
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 2: They're not gonna put him in front of Shade.

542
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: They're just not bun.

543
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Speaker 2: You know, look, go ahead, you're in the rap game, Bud,

544
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: and you know this. I mean when Tupac and Biggie,

545
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 2: let's just say Tupac Biggie hole uh k r s

546
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 2: one rock him, Big Daddy Kane. You got to take

547
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: take the tim Best rappers. Okay, everybody's gonna be talking

548
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 2: about the tim Best rappers. It's gonna be one or two.

549
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 2: And that's how it's always been and it's always gonna be.

550
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 2: There's been some great R and B singers, a bunch

551
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 2: of them back in the y, you know, the eighties

552
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 2: or night if the R and B was king, but

553
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: only Marvin Gaye if you want Marvin gay if you.

554
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 3: Were Teddy p uh brug.

555
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 2: Baron White. Oh well, baby Fred you threw Freddy. Freddy

556
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 2: came along in there and Snuky Snucky in there. He

557
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 2: got a little time, Yeah, he got a little time.

558
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: But it was basically Marvin Gay and Teddy p Look

559
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 2: that that doesn't mean you aren't a great player just

560
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 2: because you considered the greatest player, and that shouldn't affect

561
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: you mentally, you know what I'm saying. My favorite my

562
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: favorite player was always crawl for Jamal Crusts. Okay, yep, right,

563
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: I'm talking about one of the best to ever play

564
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: the game, right, but he was and he was always

565
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: considered the best sixth man, right. You know what I'm saying.

566
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 2: If somebody go down, I got us from here, you

567
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And I feel like ty Reesis

568
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: is a player like I feel like the Pacers as

569
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: a team.

570
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 3: They ain't got no superstars on the.

571
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 2: Team, but they got they but their mentality that everybody's

572
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: ready to step up.

573
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 3: Yes, you never know.

574
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: It's really hard to game plan for them because you

575
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: never know who's gonna get that twenty five and then

576
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: who's gonna have the nineteen to eighteen to seventeen to sixteen.

577
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: They don't have that one guy and maybe in some

578
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 2: situations that hurt them because most teams that win championships

579
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: they do have that one guy. They can give him

580
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 2: the ball and he can go get you a bucket.

581
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: That's why we did that week. That's why we didn't

582
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: get further than we have because right now we have

583
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: a very young team with a first time coach, and

584
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 2: we just don't have anybody that we could say, hey,

585
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 2: I need I need to too right now. If you

586
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: have every team has to have somebody that can give

587
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 2: you that two when you need it consistently. Now, if

588
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 2: you have a rotation where you know, if I, if

589
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 2: I get these guys who I want him in this

590
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: particular scheme, we can make this work. But all of

591
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: that's wish for thinking I'm talking about and he's a two,

592
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: he's a too, bro, that's a that's a tall.

593
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 3: Lud of the climb bro.

594
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot of wrongs to climb to try to,

595
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: you know, to say that you are considered amongst the best, bro,

596
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 2: the best person that ever played this game played your position,

597
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: the best ever to play the game played your position,

598
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 2: some of the best, the best shooter ever to shoot

599
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: the basketball played in your position is going to be

600
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: a wild you got to have chips, You got to

601
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: have a couple of you know what I'm saying, there's

602
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: a couple of things that have to that are going

603
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 2: to have to come together in order for everyone to

604
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: consider it t reased to be that player. That doesn't

605
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: mean he won't be that player all right now. I

606
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 2: don't even think he has to be that player, you

607
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I think they I don't think

608
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 2: he has to be that player. But if it ain't

609
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: his time, bro, you left thirty plus teams behind, bro, right,

610
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 2: take some pride in that, and y'are only gonna get better.

611
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 3: This team's only gonna get better.

612
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: But right now, yeah, he's got to be very very

613
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: careful because he could do some real good. Yeah, yeah,

614
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: he could do some real damn And you know, like

615
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: I know, it goes far beyond the physical side of

616
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: it in this point in the game, when you are

617
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: not at your top, you know what I'm saying, health

618
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 2: and performance, ability and capabilities in.

619
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 3: The moments like right here, this is the biggest moment.

620
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 2: This is the stage that eight year old and seven

621
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: year old you know, guys, that's who they want to

622
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: be that's where they want to go. And when you're

623
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: not an optimum pride position to take advantage of it, Man,

624
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: that becomes far beyond physical. That's a mental thing that

625
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: can cripple you mentally or it could supercharge you. I'm

626
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: gonna say this when we're gonna move on. Go back

627
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: and look at Grant Hill. Grant Hill had a injury

628
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: at Mankel injury and he played in the playoffs, and

629
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: Grant Hill was never the same. He was on his

630
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: way to being a historically great player. He could do

631
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,719
Speaker 2: it all. Go back and look at Grant Hill, and

632
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: once he got that ankle injury, he was never the

633
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: same player. Guys, be careful. Lebron James is pushing back

634
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: on the idea that championship rings are the only measure

635
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: of greatness center back on back in basketball. On this

636
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: new episode of Mind the Game podcast with Steve Nash,

637
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: Lebron said, I don't know why it's discussed so much

638
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: in our sport and now why it's the end all,

639
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: be all of everything. It's like, you aren't a great

640
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: player if you never won a championship, or if you

641
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: won one. You can't be the same conversation as this person.

642
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: You sit here and tell me Alan Iverson, Charles Barkley,

643
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: Steve Nash wasn't unbelievable. Oh, they can't be talked about

644
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: or discussed with these guys because they want It's weird

645
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: to me. It's like saying Peyton Manning can't be in

646
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: the same room with Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes because

647
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: he only has one ring. Well, Peyton has two rings.

648
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: But I get, I get what Lebron is trying to say.

649
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: But that's that's what society, that's what social media, that's

650
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: what we've done. Now, we've turned everything into a ring.

651
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: If you don't have a championship, it's almost And at

652
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: what point of time it.

653
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: Was like that with the Grammys, bud Man, you ain't

654
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: got no grap man, you ain't got no gravy. But

655
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: some time to take that's what it takes to fuel

656
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: you though, right if you if you would ask Lebron

657
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: that pride to having a chip, that's his motivation, of

658
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: course it was.

659
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: That's his drive. That's what I want to be. I

660
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: want to be I want to be placed on the

661
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: mantol next to those other greats. Well, you have to

662
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: look at what those other great people have achieved. You

663
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: look at what their success is gauged by, you know

664
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, and who they played against, the level

665
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 2: of competition. All of these things come into that. So

666
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: and and you got chips. I'm really gonna I don't

667
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: know who he's arguing.

668
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 3: For, I think.

669
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: But if you look at Lebron, look at the guys

670
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: that he out of lines, what do they have? Jordan ring,

671
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: magic rings, bird rings. So that are the three guys

672
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: that we know he looked up to. What does all

673
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: those guys have in common? Championships? There's a reason why

674
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: he left because he wanted a championship. He felt that

675
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: the organization didn't have didn't have the word withal or

676
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: he didn't trust him to get the requisite pieces in Cleveland,

677
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: so he went to Miami. You see, it's a big

678
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: relief once you have something, because it's even for the

679
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: person that says, man, would I'm gonna take me some time? Well, yeah,

680
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: Elon Buss can take a six month vacation, Jeff Bezos

681
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: can take a six month vacation. But asking when they

682
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: were building their business, did they take a six month vacation? Okay, now, Lebron,

683
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: did you feel this way before you had championships or

684
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: after you got them. And I agree with everything he's saying.

685
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: I just believe this, bun when we're having a conversation

686
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: and I got to put est on it. You got

687
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: to have championships. Now, I'm not saying you can't be

688
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: great because Charles Barkley. I'm old enough. You and I

689
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: old enough because we remember a lot of these cats.

690
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: I remember Charles Barkley, I remember Karl Malone, I remember

691
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: a Patrick You and I remember some of these great players.

692
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 3: But when I need to add e st I just

693
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 3: don't know how I.

694
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 2: Can when you come from football. So Marina, that was

695
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,959
Speaker 2: always the argument about Marino. On every other level, up

696
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: against every other standard, he was always the limit sets

697
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: for the position. The only thing was and look, I'm

698
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: a Rockets fan, so we got those asterisks next to us.

699
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 3: But Jordan would play baseball. You know what I'm saying.

700
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: But no, I mean it's it's a very very real

701
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: thing to have the want to get a championship, which

702
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: is what inspires and drives a lot of people. Yes,

703
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: but when you're a grand of talent as Lebron, you know,

704
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: quite frankly, if you want to be in that conversation.

705
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 3: That there's a couple of things missing.

706
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: We know you have the talent, we know you have

707
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: to Still that's never been a question with Lebron James,

708
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But if you want to

709
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: be in that Mount Rushmore, you still have some work

710
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: to do. And that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that.

711
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: He's actually still physically capable enough to do the work.

712
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 3: But I think one.

713
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: I don't think this should be something that should be

714
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: bothering Lebron James because he's going to succeed at a

715
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: level that very few people in any sport.

716
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: Or any business will be able to succeed.

717
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: But then also I don't know if that's something that

718
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: still is potentially could drive him because if that's who

719
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: he's looking to compete with, how many more years would

720
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: it realistically take him to get those extra two rings

721
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 2: that he's probably looking at right now.

722
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, Like I said, so is this a the

723
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: gate that argument preemptively? Is that what we're doing? I

724
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 3: think the thing is.

725
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: What people hold, They say when you jump, you went

726
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: to Miami, you went to Cleveland, you went to LA

727
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: And so I think you know, he's like the rings

728
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: I and when we talk about NFL players, they say

729
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: the greatest, the greatest player.

730
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: I mean, Damn Reno is always on the list.

731
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: The name that you miss it mentioned and I know

732
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: Dany have worked with him for a decade, knowing very

733
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: well we shared the same agents when we played.

734
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 3: Is that he was always on the list.

735
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: Greatest player to never win a championship, that was Damn

736
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: ma Reno because he could throw the ball like no

737
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: one else, that quick release, I mean five thousand passing yards,

738
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: forty eight touchdown in an era when everybody ran the

739
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: football and you could hold, you could punish the quarterback.

740
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 2: You could hit him everywhere, the top of his head,

741
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: even the bottom of his feet when he.

742
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 3: Laid down, you could hit him there too.

743
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: So but I just think the thing is is what

744
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: happened is that we knew used to never have these

745
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: argument because we didn't have social media.

746
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: See now, but.

747
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: Everybody's a coach, everybody's a GM, everybody's a former player,

748
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: And no matter how much you say I don't pay

749
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: attention to it, we're trained.

750
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 3: We do. We see the negative.

751
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: No matter how much money Elon Musk has he worth

752
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 2: four hundred billions.

753
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 3: He took a drug test to say, you know what,

754
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 3: I ain't on drugs.

755
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: You see, why would somebody saying you're a drug you

756
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 2: worth four hundred billion? What did you care? And and

757
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 2: that's what happens when you know a good friend of mine,

758
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: Dizney Raster. He's a recording artist in London, and on

759
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: one of his songs he said, you don't care about

760
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,959
Speaker 2: my rich man problems. I don't care about your bitch

761
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: ass problem. You know what I'm saying. And that's the reality.

762
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: It's not that Lebron doesn't necessarily have a valid argument.

763
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 2: I think there's the lenity into his argument. Of course,

764
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But at the same time,

765
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: you're Lebron James. You know what I'm saying. You've a

766
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 2: come to me. These type of arguments almost belittle what

767
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 2: you've done. It's almost to the point of, well, yeah,

768
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: I mean I want to couple of chips, right, which

769
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: is something to celebrate. But I didn't win it as

770
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 2: many chips as someone else, which other.

771
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 3: People would look down.

772
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: Okay, and what does that really Just like you said,

773
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: like everybody's watching everything, we answer to the experts. Then

774
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: we answer to the amateurs, and then we answer to

775
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: the observers.

776
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

777
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: It's one thing to not watch ESPN, right, but it's

778
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: another thing, and it's another thing to put the phone down.

779
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 3: But even if people around.

780
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: You will see what's being said, you're gonna get that

781
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: information back.

782
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You just gotta you just

783
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: gotta be able to eat.

784
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: I feel like at this point, you just gotta eat

785
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 2: all of that stuff, you know what I'm saying. But

786
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: is this is he Is he saying that I don't

787
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: need that to be considered great? So is he saying

788
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: but he wanted it great? And that's my thing? Is

789
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: he trying to say? Am I one of the great?

790
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: And that my lack of chips don't matter?

791
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 3: No? Because the people coming up behind you?

792
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 2: But you look like you holding a a hot hand

793
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: right now, right in the scopeland things, right in the

794
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: full scope of everything.

795
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 3: I think the thing is a bun. Is that? Bro?

796
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 3: You got more regular season points, more playoff points.

797
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: You're the only guy, I mean, you're the only guy

798
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 2: that's that's topping in points, rebounds and assists. I mean,

799
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: no guy that has as many assists points as you

800
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: got is even in the top ten. You're in the

801
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: top five. And assists, I mean you you got forty

802
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: eleven and eleven, forty thousand points, eleven thousand rebounds, eleven

803
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 2: thousand assists. I think the only guy that maybe even

804
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: can approach that is Lucas, and I don't think Lucas's

805
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 2: body is gonna allow him to play that long.

806
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 3: I just think the thing and he this is what

807
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 3: he said.

808
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: Lebron compared the way greatness is measured in other sports,

809
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 2: noting athletes like Damn Marino, Barry Bonds are still celebrated

810
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 2: regardless of their championship total. Yes, we still celebrate Barry

811
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: and some people might and even though some people might

812
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: say Barry is the greatest running back they ever saw.

813
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 3: But it's hard.

814
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: When you got Tim Duncan with all these rings, if

815
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: he got these MVPs, he got finals MVPs, and to

816
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: put somebody that doesn't have any in front.

817
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 3: Of him, true, and.

818
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: He's right, he said, added that a championship with the

819
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 2: team accomplishment and shouldn't overshadow personal impact or skill, while

820
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: asking for people to appreciate what these athletes have done

821
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: but like trying to nitpick an individual because he was

822
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: not able to win a team game or a team match,

823
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 2: or whatever the case may be.

824
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 3: I don't know where it started.

825
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: It's just as long as it's a conversation, especially when

826
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: it comes like you know me individually.

827
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 3: It's just weird.

828
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: You just got to be careful when you're somebody like

829
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: Lebron and you make statements like that, you know what

830
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: I'm saying. People can construe that like it's almost like

831
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 2: you're talking to yourself, right right. That's how some people

832
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: could take that statement, like you talking to yourself. Like, look, man,

833
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: I don't have to be considered You don't have to

834
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: have what everybody else had to be considered one of

835
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: the greats, because I would imagine what he's alluding to.

836
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: I don't have what they all have, and I'm considered

837
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: one of the greats. I'm always in the conversation with Yes,

838
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: that's he got the fak of most finals MVPs. He's

839
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: been more First Team All NBA selections, he's gotten more

840
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: NBA All All NBA selections.

841
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 3: He's been the more All Star games.

842
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: He's one MVP behind Kobe for the most MVP All

843
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: Star Games. When you look at his total body of work,

844
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 2: they are very very few people now when he talks

845
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 2: about Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds got the most home runs,

846
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: He's got the most walks, he's got the most intentional walks.

847
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: He's got five hundred home runs. Nobody, nobody's even close.

848
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you just just take away. If you take

849
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: away Barry Bonds when he went to San Francisco, he's

850
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: still a Hall of Famer. He had three MVPs and

851
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: he had almost five hundred home runs before he even

852
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: stepped but.

853
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: Col gloves because he was legitimate five tool player.

854
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: He could hit for average, he could hit for power,

855
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 2: he could run the base pass, he was a tremendous

856
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: defensive player. And I because what people don't realize unless

857
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 2: you're old enough to remember, Barry came up as a

858
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 2: leadoff hitter. So you know the type of eyes that

859
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 2: you got, because the most important thing for a leadoff

860
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: hitter is to get his ass on.

861
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 3: Baby.

862
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter he can hit for single, he can

863
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: hit for a double, hited over the fence, But I

864
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 2: need you on base because now I got my guys

865
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 2: to push the other the second, the other second hitter.

866
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: He gives you the second you steal third. Now my guy,

867
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: get a sack, file, get a Ribby, drive you in,

868
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be.

869
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 3: So Barry always had that eye. Now he can hit

870
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 3: for true power. I get what he said. I get

871
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 3: what he's.

872
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: Saying, like Barry Bonds, but those guys like he's looking

873
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: at Barkley. Barkley didn't have the most points Marino. When

874
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: Marino tired, Marino had the most touchdowns, He had the

875
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: most yardy So it was easy for you to make

876
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 2: that comparison. Now, I don't think we were talking about

877
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: Kareem because big men don't get credit anyway. Because Kareem

878
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 2: got six MVPs, and people forgetting that Kareem got six,

879
00:40:58,560 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: he got more than anybody.

880
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 3: I kill the all time leaves scor and people.

881
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 2: I remember in nineteen eighty four, Thomas and Matt because

882
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: but I don't know if people used to do they

883
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: used to because nobody really would follow the NBA like that.

884
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: They would go different places like Boston would play in

885
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: Hartford trying to get fan support. The Hawks would play

886
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: in New Orleans trying to drum up fan support. The

887
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: Lakers traveled to Las Vegas to get fan support.

888
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 3: That's where he broke it at in nineteen eighty four

889
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 3: Thomas and Matt.

890
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: My thing is when when like who's validation is like,

891
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: that's a that's not a general stadium to me, when

892
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: someone like Lebron James, who is probably one of the

893
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: most covered athletes on the planet right has has dealt

894
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: with more people in the media space than than anyone

895
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: else possibly in sports, from from his teen years all

896
00:41:58,560 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 2: the way up to now.

897
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 3: His children are older than he was. Some of his

898
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 3: children are older than he was when.

899
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: He entered this media world, right, Yes, who's validation?

900
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 3: Does that statement? Parken to?

901
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: I wonder when you say some would say, someone would say,

902
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, it's it's almost like this

903
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: someone who keeps invalidating his contributions that he's trying to

904
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 2: prove wrong. And that's why I say, I don't know

905
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: if he's talking to them on himself, you know, is

906
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 2: that something that that he keeps in his mind right

907
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: to remind himself you're great? You know, it's almost like tough,

908
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 2: motivational speaking type of thing. You know what I'm saying

909
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: because I don't want it to look like he's trying

910
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 2: to downplay.

911
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: People's opinions of what he does. So I don't even

912
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna please everybody though, Bud.

913
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: But you know, but that's always been the thing about Lebron,

914
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: Like he really wants to be seeing a certain way

915
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: by people he like. You know what I'm saying with

916
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: Kobe and Madge, Kobe and Mike with like kids my butt, Lebron.

917
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: I think Lebron has bun me and the little bit

918
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: that I've been around in he's genuine little nice guy.

919
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 2: He really wants to be like he's I mean, like

920
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: I said, I don't know him. I mean, you know,

921
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: some people might say whatever whatever, but I just know

922
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: in the little bit that I've been around him, he's

923
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: he's a he's a likable guy, and some guys like

924
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: to be like some guys don't care if you like

925
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: Mike does not does not care if you liked him

926
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: or I shouldn't say ed like l I l I

927
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 2: k E or l I k E ed like or

928
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,439
Speaker 2: liked Kobe rest his soul was the exact same way.

929
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: So I think I think Lebron and I think what

930
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: you're speaking to is the fact that Lebron, because of

931
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 2: all this media training that he's had all of these years.

932
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 2: Lebron feels like he's always done the right thing, yet

933
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 2: the right thing played the right way. So I don't

934
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: understand why everybody is not on the same accord when

935
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 2: it comes to what I've done, you know what I'm saying.

936
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 2: But it's because we've had people who have had you know,

937
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: Lebron jain't was born to play basketball, yes, you know

938
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like physically, like he was born to

939
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: play the game. Everybody wasn't like that. Mike had to

940
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: work to get there, Kobe had to work to get there.

941
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: They weren't inherently born with these physical traits that Lebron

942
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: was given, that body, that height, that speed, that size,

943
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 2: and the thing. You know what, sometimes familiar that familiarity

944
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 2: breeds resentment. Because Lebron is cool, cool with everybody else,

945
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: they feel like they can take shots at it and

946
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 2: they know you're not gonna shoot back in that way.

947
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying That.

948
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: I've been the nice guy, right, I've been the guy

949
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: you know our because my brother was a little rough,

950
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: so I had to try to come here and smooth

951
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: everything out. But in every situation, sooner or later they

952
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: can't get smooved out. So we you know, all that

953
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: trying to keep everybody cool and calm. At some point

954
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: you can be all of that and all and it

955
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: still get punched in the mouth exactly because you know

956
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: the Bible telling the Bible teachers and metaphorically like, hey,

957
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: turn the other cheek. But you people, sometimes you gotta

958
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: get You get tired of people just you know, uh,

959
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: keep saying and do it and do it and do

960
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 2: it and say it and saying, hey, I ain't gonna

961
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: turn that. You'mna put something on you. Well, people play

962
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 2: with you because they know you you will turn the

963
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: other cheek. Yes, they anticipate you really not wanting to

964
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: go there right every now and then you gotta pull

965
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: on to the side and be like, hey man, I

966
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: want a dog walk keep bro like I will dog

967
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: don't don't. Don't play with me like that. Just because

968
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: I don't don't mean I won't. That's always been my motter,

969
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 2: Just because I don't don't mean I won't. Especially you're

970
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 2: in somewhere like in your position or my position, because

971
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 2: the more public you are, the less likely you're going

972
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: to retaliate.

973
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: And they take kindness for weakness.

974
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 2: Oh, he's on television or X, Y and Z, he's

975
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 2: the he got a business, he's this and that. So

976
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: why would you why would you even try to get

977
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: me out of character? First of all, you know that,

978
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: So why not just just keep it moving. I understand

979
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 2: I'm not everybody's cup of tea. Everybody. As a matter

980
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 2: of fact, I don't really care for tea. So I

981
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 2: understand everybody's not gonna care for shatter shark. Everybody gonna

982
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 2: care for Bun or whomever the case may be. But

983
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 2: I just think sometimes that's a losing battle. Well, I

984
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: sometimes you just got to say, you know what it is,

985
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: what it is. You don't like me, But I know

986
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: there's enough people out there that do. There's a term

987
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: that's used now for people that I don't want to

988
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 2: run across, and that's crash out. I don't I don't

989
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: want to be in a position to deal with nobody.

990
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: Ain't got nothing to lose. I got too much to lose.

991
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: I can't play with people like that.

992
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: I got to just gone by my business right.

993
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: So, and and looking, I keep looking at my dog

994
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 2: because I'm waiting for somebody to knock on it with

995
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 2: a shape bar Lapoitier package. Okay, because you didn't have

996
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 2: a burger, and I ain't had no liquor.

997
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 3: I supposed to be sipping on something right now.

998
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: You supposa be sipping on something right now, Bun. But

999
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: you know what, We're gonna get your address. I'm gonna

1000
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: get you taken care of. I appreciate, I appreciate that'd

1001
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 2: be a nice little way to make the evening go

1002
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 2: by it Right now, Doc Rivers is pushing back against

1003
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: the trade speculation and involving Gianni's It's so ridiculous, and

1004
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 2: I've heard all these reports.

1005
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 3: You're all the stuff, but you don't like when you

1006
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 3: hear it.

1007
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: You're like, you know it's not true, but still your

1008
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: players hear it, and everybody else hears it. I don't

1009
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: know how many times Jannie had said he wants to

1010
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: be a Buck and he wants to win a title

1011
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 2: with the Bucks. And it's so cool to me because

1012
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: it's not the way. It's not the way it's done anymore.

1013
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: But with certain guys, I don't think Steph Curry would

1014
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: ever leave Golden State ever.

1015
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: I'm always hoping. Obviously Yannis feel the same way.

1016
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: That's the way it's been for so so far, and

1017
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 2: it's been great, it's been awesome.

1018
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. But the one thing that.

1019
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 2: Steph knew is that he knew Bob Myers and now

1020
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: Mike done Levy and the ownership of the Warriors would

1021
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 2: do everything humanly possible, even if it means being in

1022
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: the luxury tax and even being in that separate apron,

1023
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: second apron, year after year after year. Does Johannis feel

1024
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: that same way that the Bucks can put a team

1025
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: around him given the assets that deliverited, assets that they're

1026
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: have that can put them in contention to win or

1027
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: to compete year after year, Bun, there's a totally different

1028
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 2: situation because every organization isn't like the Warriors, and Doc

1029
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: knows that. I think the reason we're still in limbo

1030
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: with this whole thing is because Gianna's is not the

1031
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: one to show that, you know what I'm saying. His

1032
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: nature is not to buck the system. You can see

1033
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: that he really wants this to work. I believe, I

1034
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: believe he wants to win on that team in that city.

1035
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: I believe that he doesn't look like the kind of

1036
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: person that's like, oh well, let's go to lall, let's

1037
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: go here.

1038
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 3: He doesn't.

1039
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 2: I feel like that's the perfect city for a person

1040
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: like him and his nature, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

1041
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 2: that being said, something's got to give. I don't believe

1042
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: this organization will leave him behind. I believe they'll give him.

1043
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 2: If there was somebody he said we need this guy,

1044
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: they give him that guy if humanly possible. I don't

1045
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: see him wanting to leave that city and that team.

1046
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: But I don't think he feels like he's in a

1047
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: position where he has to right now. I do believe

1048
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: there's gonna be some pieces that are going to be

1049
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: available in this off season that if they could go

1050
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: and get one or two pieces that make him a

1051
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: little more comfortable.

1052
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 3: I don't think he wants to leave.

1053
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: I don't think he wants to start over in a

1054
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 2: new city with a new team, with new ownership. That

1055
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 2: doesn't seem like John's just ready to I just want

1056
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 2: to go where I can win.

1057
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 3: He doesn't have that.

1058
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: You see that in other players that are willing to

1059
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: go and leave a team or leave an organization. I

1060
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 2: just want to go why I feel I can win.

1061
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: That's primarily the reason why most guys say they want

1062
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: to leave is either money or the competitive nature of

1063
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: an organization. You know what I'm saying, I don't think

1064
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: he really wants to leave. I'm a Rockets fan, so

1065
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 2: I'm all for it. Big his handsOn down there. You

1066
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I would love for him to

1067
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: lead because well, there's those are two different types of

1068
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 2: players for two different reasons. Kd' is a when Now like,

1069
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 2: if you bring KD in to your organization, you diad

1070
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: you one piece away.

1071
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, hell you bring you think you want piece of weight.

1072
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, But if you bring Yannison, you want piece of

1073
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: way that can work for you for another.

1074
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 3: Five potentially sub but for sure, for sure, you know

1075
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, You've got it.

1076
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: That's why I say, Kevin Durant is, if we bring

1077
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 2: him in, we got a two year window. You think

1078
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 2: you think that's it. No, I think that's what teams think. Okay, okay,

1079
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: that's my thing. I think I think the age and

1080
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: the salary is gonna put people in a position where

1081
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: we just can't do it.

1082
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 3: And you but you see where he's looking.

1083
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: He's looking for teams with tax breaks, yep, right, But

1084
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 2: I think with Johnny's. I think Johnny's is a very wholesome,

1085
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 2: very family kind of guy. Haven't heard anything about them

1086
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: being wild or whatever. Because if he wanted a lifestyle,

1087
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: he wouldn't say where he's at. I think that's that

1088
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 2: city and that community is just enough for him, right, Yeah,

1089
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: because go to La.

1090
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 3: If he leaves it to go to.

1091
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 2: La or Team or or major major market, they're gonna

1092
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: demand a lot more of him.

1093
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 3: You know.

1094
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: I feel like Jis could go to the bakery, could

1095
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 2: go to the dry Leaders, and that lends us up

1096
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 2: to his lifestyle, you know what I'm saying. But certain

1097
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 2: other cities would demand the more out of him because

1098
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: they're a lot more media driven, there are a lot

1099
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 2: more sponsor driven, you know what I'm saying, And I

1100
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: think that would. I think that's a reason that keeps

1101
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: him with the Bucks because he's the biggest fish in

1102
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: that pond by fall. Yeah, but and I mean not

1103
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 2: on the team even in the city, you know what

1104
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And he's one of the biggest deals there,

1105
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 2: a comfortable place to be if they can get in

1106
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 2: those pieces. And he's a guy that will not to

1107
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: cut you option. He's a guy that will let some

1108
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: bread go to yep. I believe that. But let me

1109
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: ask you this. Jannis has had success. He's won a championship.

1110
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: Once you start having success, you crave it. It's like

1111
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 2: success is a drug. I don't care what anybody tells you.

1112
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: You know this, Bud, I know this. Success is a

1113
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 2: drug and you crave it. And the more you have it,

1114
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: the more you want it. And the last thing that

1115
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: you want is that you have a taste of it.

1116
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 2: And it's almost like they let you sample it. You

1117
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 2: sample you like you buy. Okay, he sampled that success

1118
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 2: a championship. Now that's all that matters. He's got MVPs,

1119
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 2: he's got Defensive Player of the Years. The only thing

1120
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,280
Speaker 2: that matters is Jiannis. Now, how many more will he stat?

1121
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: I don't think Giannis leaves for the in this next season.

1122
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 2: I don't think he leaves that quickly. You okay, and

1123
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: you know, but I do think this may be the

1124
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 2: last shot. I believe he's trying to be as patient

1125
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 2: as possible, But like you said, he's tasted it, and

1126
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 2: I think he's got enough. He's got enough basketball wisdom,

1127
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: and I to see if I was here, this would

1128
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 2: be over. If I played for this team, this wouldn't

1129
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 2: have even been a question because this guy plays that

1130
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 2: position much better than my guy. This guy coaches these

1131
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 2: situations better than my guy. You know what I'm saying.

1132
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 2: But Giannis is not a he's not a rock the

1133
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 2: boat kind of guy. It just don't seem like that

1134
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: to me. I feel like that's the kind of dude.

1135
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: You got to really mess over him or for him

1136
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: to really feel unappreciated. And I don't think he hit

1137
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: that wall yet in Milwaukee, but I do think they

1138
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: got They might have one more season on the clock though, Yeah, absolutely,

1139
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: they got one more season. We're gonna see what you're

1140
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 2: doing the off season. We're gonna see what you're doing

1141
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 2: all Star Break. And if this time ain't shifted, something

1142
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 2: got to get. Something's got to get. South Carolina quarterback

1143
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 2: Leonora Sellers turned down an eight million dollar NIL to

1144
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 2: transfer to a different school. Lenoris's father told his son,

1145
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 2: you're nineteen, you don't need eight million dollars.

1146
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 3: You're in a great spot.

1147
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, bun, Do you think NIL

1148
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 2: is ruining college players because some are prioritizing the bag

1149
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 2: over a great situation? I think it's a blessing and

1150
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 2: a curse, right, you know, like I know, a lot

1151
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 2: of these young, young, young players predominantly from communities of color.

1152
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 2: This has always been a pathway to success, to change

1153
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 2: the scope of how your family dynamic exists, to change

1154
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 2: things from check to check.

1155
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 3: The generational wealth.

1156
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: And the draw to go and play in the NFL

1157
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: was what drove people for the most part, through high

1158
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 2: school through college to try to get to that big payoff.

1159
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: Well with nil being inserted, now, it's a blessing because

1160
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 2: kids don't have to wait that long and you know,

1161
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 2: like I know, that's it's a very small number that

1162
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 2: gets into the NFL, and even smaller they get that

1163
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 2: big deal out the door and gets that money. And

1164
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 2: so the opportunity to take care of your family and

1165
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:11,479
Speaker 2: to set those things straight earlier is obviously a great

1166
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: thing for people to have. But you know, like I know,

1167
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 2: when some people get that check, they stop giving a ding.

1168
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 2: It really can stop the drive for people because be like, oh, man,

1169
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: I just signed this big check for five years and

1170
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 2: you know, one hundred and eighty million dollars and all

1171
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 2: that that. Yeah, but now if you're the face of

1172
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 2: the organization. Now you're the biggest cultural export from the

1173
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: city that you play for the a whole. The dynamic

1174
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: for all this shit starts changing when that money comes.

1175
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying for college players that potentially

1176
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 2: might not make it into the NFL, and there's a

1177
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: substantial number of those people even if they get nil saying,

1178
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: and we know it's only going to be four or

1179
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 2: five people that get real money exactly, there's only and

1180
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,439
Speaker 2: I think that's something that we don't talk about enough

1181
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 2: when it comes to nil college athlete gameplay, is that, Yeah,

1182
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 2: there's a lot of money that gets inflicted into these universities,

1183
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,919
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of money that's available, but that's

1184
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 2: gonna go to skill player, right, you know that's gonna

1185
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 2: go to skill play, quarterback, running back, wide receiver. Absolutely,

1186
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: people that put numbers on the board, that's who. Or

1187
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 2: the sack master, right, something like that, you know, a

1188
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 2: pass rusher, guy like that. So if you can get

1189
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 2: that money, get that's fine. Everybody gets money doesn't stop

1190
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 2: being driven. But if money's the deciding factor, determining factor,

1191
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 2: then yeah, that could be something that would stop somebody

1192
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 2: from wanting to.

1193
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 3: Go further and.

1194
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you can get the money and you don't

1195
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 2: have to go in the NFL and risk your body

1196
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 2: and risk that pain, and you got a plan to

1197
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 2: do something with that money, I think it can work

1198
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 2: for you. I think it works to your benefit. But

1199
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 2: if you think happening through the porter from school to

1200
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: school is going to increase your value, you've got another

1201
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 2: thing coming that's not gonna for everybody. Like, if you've

1202
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 2: got a situation where you know, you know there's money

1203
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 2: waiting for you, that's fine. But and if you think

1204
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 2: you're taking that money now and it doesn't help you,

1205
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:10,959
Speaker 2: that's the other side.

1206
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 3: And let me be clear about that. If you think

1207
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 3: the organization wants.

1208
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 2: University wants to pay you to come and play for

1209
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: that school, but you don't think they're contenders, and you

1210
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 2: don't think it's gonna, you know, look good on you

1211
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: on your record to play for a school that doesn't

1212
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 2: really have a good chance at winning anything, then I

1213
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 2: don't see how you get to the next check. If

1214
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 2: that's all you worried about, is that check right?

1215
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 3: You know? So it's a lot for families to navigate.

1216
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: I've seen players whose parents are you know they right now,

1217
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 2: like the high school parents are like, no, my boys

1218
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 2: friend to go to this tou It don't matter what

1219
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: college you go to, they gonna cut them a check.

1220
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 2: That like parents are actually saying that. Yeah, they're saying

1221
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,959
Speaker 2: that right now. So you know, I wish the brother

1222
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: the best, but I don't. I think the portal. I

1223
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: think the portal works for a probably ten I think

1224
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: ten percent of people. The portal actually puts you in

1225
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 2: it like you have a skill set that can work

1226
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 2: almost anywhere, but this, this school will nurture your talent.

1227
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 3: They will put the right type of talent next.

1228
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 2: To you and you will learn and play and look

1229
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 2: like you want you to go to that next club.

1230
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 2: But I just think that's a very small group of people.

1231
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people are being told

1232
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of money, and let's be real,

1233
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 2: they can't A lot of university can't even pay you

1234
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 2: with this. They gonna pay you exactly, we're not even

1235
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: talking about that. How many college students are sitting there

1236
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: on campus with no money because the coach went over

1237
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 2: and told you from your mom and your grandmother. Than

1238
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 2: when they don't give you and then you get there

1239
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: and and boosters is somebody else like No, that money

1240
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: is advocated for the ball we got coming from over here.

1241
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 2: The volume