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Speaker 1: best of the Colin Coward Podcast. Another great week. New

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Speaker 1: York Post columnist and Belichick biographer Ian O'Connor shares an

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Speaker 1: Bears head coach quarterback guru Mark Trustman. He was great,

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Speaker 1: sharpest bets heading into NFL Week five, First my talk

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Speaker 1: takes of the week. Now, the number one story right

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Speaker 1: now is Urban Meyer, who is reeling with the Jacksonville Jaguars.

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Speaker 1: So I was watching an old piece of tape on

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Speaker 1: the late comedian Don Rickles about a month ago, and

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Speaker 1: Rickles was on a show with Bob Costas called Later

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Speaker 1: with Bob Costas some of his best work and Rickles

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Speaker 1: was a very legendarily a serbic comedian, and he told

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Speaker 1: Bob that even during bad sets, never let the audience

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Speaker 1: know that it's a bad night. You don't want to

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Speaker 1: lose leverage with the audience and show weakness. That's when

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Speaker 1: Heckler's take over the night. And that's why what urban

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Speaker 1: Meyer did and the optics right now are so bad.

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Speaker 1: Players now have leverage over urban Meyer. You can lose games,

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Speaker 1: you cannot lose the locker room. And I talked to him,

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Speaker 1: Mike Silver, longtime NFL reporter, today and I said, fifty

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Speaker 1: he thought urban had lost at least half the locker room.

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Speaker 1: Didn't fly home with a team, which is very rare.

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Speaker 1: Don't believe any media person who defends that. It's very rare,

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Speaker 1: especially after a loss, a close loss, you want to

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Speaker 1: fly back and be with the guys. Then, when this

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Speaker 1: story surfaced, Urban canceled a team meeting, met with units individually.

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Speaker 1: He didn't want to meet with all the players at once.

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Speaker 1: Many players thought he was not honest in acknowledging who

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Speaker 1: the woman was. And I don't care about his personal life,

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Speaker 1: but I hear this a lot from you know, Buckeye

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Speaker 1: fans and Urban Meyer fans, and I know Urban and

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Speaker 1: I like him. But people say it's a common thing. Guys,

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Speaker 1: do they flirt after a couple cocktails? Listen, if you

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Speaker 1: work at home Depot or Applebee's, Yeah, and nobody sees it.

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Speaker 1: This is Urban Meyer, a ten million dollars a year

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Speaker 1: coach and now the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Shad

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Speaker 1: Khan is embarrassed and humiliated because he took a huge

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Speaker 1: risk on hiring Urban Meyer. He got a lot of

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Speaker 1: pushback that mister college football could not handle the NFL

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Speaker 1: He had real doubters and now Shad Khan, after a

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Speaker 1: series of events, looks like he whiffed. And it's not

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Speaker 1: one event. There was the comment it's like playing Alabama

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Speaker 1: trying to hire the trainer from Iowa who had all

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Speaker 1: sorts of baggage. Terrible look. It is saying he would

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Speaker 1: it looks like he just doesn't understand the way the

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Speaker 1: risk hiring him. There's the tebo situation that looks silly.

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Speaker 1: judgment in doubt. So urban's in some trouble here. And

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Speaker 1: you know, let's be honest about this. It's just bad optics.

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Speaker 1: famously Iowa Caucus two thousand and four, yelled a speech

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Speaker 1: at home, hang out with family, and every split second

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Speaker 1: team facility. I always said my question with urban Meyer

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Speaker 1: was never the football. I've watched the Jags play three

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Speaker 1: Does he realize this is not college football. You can't

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Speaker 1: a complete bravo performance by Mac Jones. I've seen Brady

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Speaker 1: an interesting thing to consider, is that can you win

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Speaker 1: You have to play perfect football, and the Patriots played

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Speaker 1: it is interesting as the sport has really changed, and

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Speaker 1: we see this in basketball it's a three point shooting game.

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Speaker 1: We see it in baseball where the groundball is death strikeouts.

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Speaker 1: Everything's exit strategy in the NFL right now, between the rules,

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Speaker 1: I thought mac Jones played as well as you can play.

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Speaker 1: the lower ceilings. I think he'll reach his potential much

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Speaker 1: seedling Jacoby Myers. Where would Jacoby Myers fit on the Rams.

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Speaker 1: the league. Right now, the game has changed. It's played

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Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings and a lot of people on social media, Colin,

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Speaker 1: you got to Barry Baker Mayfield. He was terrible, Yes

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Speaker 1: up on Baker Mayfield for having a bad game. Everybody

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Speaker 1: never put Baker may Field in the top ten class,

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Speaker 1: a lot of his throws. And I've said this before.

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Speaker 1: He and OBJ, it just, you know, he and Jarvis

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Speaker 1: too much on the route. Baker then, you know, loses

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Speaker 1: sort of a feel for it. Jarvis Landry's perhaps a

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Speaker 1: They worked through it at practice because Jarvis and Baker

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Speaker 1: his worst games in the last two years, probably his

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Speaker 1: worst game in the last two years, and winning. Viki's

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Speaker 1: about this year from Cleveland was their defense. They had

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Speaker 1: and so you know, you can't get too precious in

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Speaker 1: don't worry about what they look like. I mean, Belichick

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Speaker 1: and Brady won a lot of wet, soggy, cold Foxboro

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Speaker 1: last game. I certainly don't think he's ready to be annoyed. Um.

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Speaker 1: I do respect from the last four weeks his toughness

427
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Speaker 1: and his resiliency, and he has shown some big playability.

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Speaker 1: But you're exactly right. Over the time, he's shown the

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Speaker 1: ability not to manage games very well and understanding of

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Speaker 1: situational football. He's all he's in all four games he

431
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Speaker 1: to make the home run, and he at the home

432
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Speaker 1: run first. Even in this last game he threw up

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Speaker 1: a couple of fifty fifty balls that could have gone

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Speaker 1: either way that got him a lot of yards. Reckless

435
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: with the football over the first three weeks, for sure,

436
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: his drop back fundamentals are extremely sloppy and inconsistent. He

437
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: overdropped the first two weeks. He was overdropping his protection

438
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Speaker 1: at ten and a half to twelve yards, and he

439
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: really didn't show the athleticism that I expected to see.

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Speaker 1: I didn't look at him in college, but I had

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Speaker 1: heard about athleticism, and I would just call it sufficient

442
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Speaker 1: kind of really in the Matt Jones, maybe slightly better

443
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Speaker 1: than mac Jones, but just sufficient escapability, but not being

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Speaker 1: very accurate throwing on the run consistently. Some of the

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Speaker 1: things that hurt him over the first few weeks. His

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Speaker 1: protection was horrendous. He took a bunch of hits, which

447
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Speaker 1: goes to his resiliency and his toughness, but the protection

448
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: was loose inside and he was taking a lot of hits. Secondly,

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00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: his receiver's technique. I'm not going to even go to

450
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: their ability, their depths, Their techniques had gotten to improve,

451
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: and the five interceptions that he'd thrown up to last

452
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: week were a result of all of those things. But

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Speaker 1: the things he can control, the looseness with the ball,

454
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: recklessly throwing, and not understanding the importance of being efficient

455
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Speaker 1: the number one job of a quarterback. I missed everything,

456
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Speaker 1: and I learned this from Steve Young's to protect the

457
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: protect the football right he protected on the snap, on

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Speaker 1: the on the way to the back, and the confines

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Speaker 1: in the pocket with location a throw and exiting the pocket,

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Speaker 1: and he just did not do a very good job

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Speaker 1: in those areas. So frankly, although they won inconsistent drops.

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that hurts his accuracy.

463
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: The best quarterbacks the tip of the balls in the

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Speaker 1: vieh than that when they get to the top of

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Speaker 1: the drop, because it minimizes inaccurate throws. So if you

466
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: look at all the grates, you know they all have

467
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: the tip of the ball because the arm motion is

468
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: minimized and there's there's less time for inaccuracy. He forced

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Speaker 1: the ball in the movement game instead of taking the flat.

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Speaker 1: I mean, over the last four weeks, Michael Floors given

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Speaker 1: him some candy store completions. Just kick the ball in

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Speaker 1: the flat, you know, and get yourself a completion. And

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Speaker 1: he's forcing the ball down the field in the movements.

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Speaker 1: I graded him this week of the first ten throws,

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Speaker 1: I gave him one plus. But on the other side

476
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Speaker 1: of it, he has shown and he'll tease us, as

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Speaker 1: you well know, with the great through make some excellent

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Speaker 1: throws and overcame a lot of hits. He had a

479
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: chance to throw a corner road for a touchdown on

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Speaker 1: the red zone last week, and the grates would have

481
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: backed shouldered that throw because the defender was playing the

482
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Speaker 1: quarterback underneath. He would have stopped him with the throw

483
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Speaker 1: and just really kind of hoped it, hoped it, you know,

484
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Speaker 1: in there. So all that being said, and I know

485
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Speaker 1: I'm riffing on here and I apologize for that, but

486
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Speaker 1: you know, it's exciting to talk about quarterbacks. There is

487
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Speaker 1: a light at the tunnel, but there's not enough tape

488
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Speaker 1: to annoy him or tell you that he's the guy

489
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Speaker 1: right now because there's so much inconsistency. He's got to

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Speaker 1: go back, you know. You know I've heard, well he

491
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: watches a lot of Aaron Rodgers tape. Well he's not

492
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. And if he continues to be, you know,

493
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Speaker 1: lose his humility with that ball in his hand, he's

494
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: going to hurt his football team. So he's got to

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Speaker 1: listen to his coaches. Number one, he's got to take

496
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Speaker 1: the candy store completions. He's got to respect the ball,

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Speaker 1: you know, And he's like like with a lot of

498
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Speaker 1: these young quarterbacks. Early on, the coaches thought they needed

499
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Speaker 1: this quarterback to win the game. Right now, we need

500
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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson Met to lose a game. Now. Other quarterbacks

501
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: are in a better position to do that because they

502
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: have better personnel around there. But Zach's got to lighten

503
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: it up a little bit, and light lighten up a

504
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: little bit and just start becoming more efficient. And then

505
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Speaker 1: we'll see if he's got any infectory, because it does

506
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Speaker 1: there is a light that says this kid does have

507
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Speaker 1: some effect form, but he needs to be more disciplined.

508
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Speaker 1: So I want to move to a topic. And I've

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Speaker 1: said this that you know, I work in an industry

510
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: where opinions, if they're if they vary from kind of

511
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: your usual opinions, they're viewed as hot takes. And Justin

512
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: Herbert and Patrick Mahomes now play both in the AFC West.

513
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: Herbert's a bigger athlete. He was a better college winning quarterback.

514
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: Herbert is a four two biology major and in fact

515
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: was a tutor with other students, so you know, he's

516
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: a really bright guy. He has very little, if any

517
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Speaker 1: injury history, big, strong moves well, huge arm, and he

518
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: has a certain humility he plays with that he understands

519
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: the value of the football. He has now had six

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00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: three touchdown, zero interception games in nineteen starts. The other

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00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: thing is that he did not inherit Travis Kelsey or

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid or Tyreek Hill or Sammy Watkins. He inherited

523
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Speaker 1: a fairly pedestrian offense and a terrible offensive line and

524
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Speaker 1: actually had remarkable numbers. I am not here today to

525
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Speaker 1: say that Justin Herbert is better than Patrick Mahomes, but

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Speaker 1: the gap to me mark does not appear to be huge.

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Speaker 1: I think Herbert, when you consider the circumstances that he inherited,

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Speaker 1: it is fairly remarkable the level of production so far.

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Speaker 1: And just your thoughts on those two and what you

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Speaker 1: see with Herbert, Yeah, I mean you bring up some

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Speaker 1: great points. You know, let's just go back and start

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Speaker 1: with Mahomes, because he's such a unique player. I mean,

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00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: he's the Cobeni of the NFL. He's got the ability

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00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: to create make plays with awkward throw's extent plays And

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Speaker 1: what I think is important to note here, he's not

536
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Speaker 1: and he cannot be an easy guy to coach. If

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Speaker 1: you're into discipline and structure, like Mike Kafka is and

538
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: Eric bi Navy is and Andy Reid is. But there's

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Speaker 1: a nuance to coaching Mahomes and these guys have figured

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Speaker 1: it out. They don't corral him with the discipline that

541
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Speaker 1: Herbert plays with because he's got the ability to get

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Speaker 1: the job done with an an cannedy ability to protect

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00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: the football. I mean, he's been responsible. I've looked at

544
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: all these interceptions. I think there's been four the whole season,

545
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Speaker 1: but only really two are would have been on him.

546
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: But through his what is it three or four years now,

547
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: an uncanny ability to protect the football, And I just

548
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: think there's a nuance to how he's being coached to

549
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: allow him to be the creative player and dynamic player.

550
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: Is really impressive to me because it's not easy when

551
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: you want structure, discipline, drops and things like that, and

552
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't kind of look the way you think it

553
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: should look to be able a coaching and let him

554
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: play as freely as they do. So I just give

555
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: them so much credit. It's not as easy as it

556
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Speaker 1: looks from a coaching perspective. Justin Herbert is as elite

557
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: as it gets. I mean, he is the guy everybody

558
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 1: wants too. He is the dream quarterback to coach, cool, customer, poise,

559
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 1: He does everything right in the pocket. If I've always

560
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: felt you could grade a quarterback from the waist to

561
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: the toach, and you knew you wouldn't know exactly what's

562
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: coming down, he is a beauty to watch. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it is just it's just it's just the highest level

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Speaker 1: of play the position that I don't know that we've

565
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: seen in a long time at such a young age.

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Speaker 1: I spoke to Joe Lombardi this morning as coordinator. You know,

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Speaker 1: Joe spent you know, he was over a decade with

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Speaker 1: with Sean as a quarterback coach in New Orleans. And

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Speaker 1: I watched the tape and it was breathtaking, breath taking

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00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: Colin to watch the tape and I texted Joe and

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Speaker 1: he texted me back. I said, what you've done, such

572
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: a great job with him. And you know what Joe did,

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Speaker 1: and this is just a digression. All he could do

574
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: was give credit to the quarterback coach, Shane Day. He

575
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: didn't give himself one bit of credit. But yet he's

576
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: calling those plays and it's it's the New Orleans offense.

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00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: It's simple, it's concise, it's clean, and it makes it

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Speaker 1: really easy on the quarterback, and the offense is lyne.

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Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with what they've done personnel wise. Justin

580
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: took a couple of hits last night, like everybody does,

581
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: but that pocket was clean. Early pockets clean early quarterbacks

582
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: can succeed if they get here early. There's a residual effect.

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00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: He's accurate in the pocket. He plays with a quiet mind,

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Speaker 1: as you said, explosive arm strength, and he doesn't have

585
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Speaker 1: you know, he's got a unique kind of athleticism. He

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00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: can find, he can move in the pocket, find the

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00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: quiet area. He really didn't have to extend to play

588
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: or run last night. But he's not He's certainly not

589
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: Kyler or Lamar. He's not even Mayfield or Tanny Hill

590
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: or Josh Allen or Jalen Hurts or Russell. He doesn't

591
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: have that kind of athleticism. But I gotta tell you

592
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: textbook wise, he's as good as any of them. And

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00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: it's really he has mastered the pocket with footwork. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Bill Walsh would be smiling in his grave right now

595
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: because that's what it looked like years ago. I mean,

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00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: it's changed and that's okay, but that's what it looked like,

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00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: and it's it's just a pleasure to watch. Chad Millman,

598
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Speaker 1: Chief Content Officer, Action Network. I would take Bills plus

599
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: three at the Chiefs. This comes down to third down.

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00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: Kansas City cannot get people off the field now. The

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00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: Bills have beaten up in a very week schedule. The

602
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: Chiefs have played a much better schedule. That's probably why

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00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: we have the number. But I do think I come

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Speaker 1: back to the Chiefs, which are usually usually a slow

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00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: starting team, they're a great finishing team. I think Buffalo

606
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: is going to take the lead here. I think they're

607
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: a very tough team to come back from because I

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00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: think they finally found a pass rush. I don't think

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00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: Kansas City. Now they've let in their last sixty five

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00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: games at one point, so we know they're fine. This

611
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: is there's no reason to panic. But the defense situationally

612
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: red zone, third down right now, it's bad. And I

613
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: think Buffalo may not be better than Kansas City in

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00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: I think today they are and they're getting points, and

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00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: I would take it. Here's what worries me. Not only

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Speaker 1: are you choosing the sharp sides, but you're using It's

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00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: like you're in my notes. You're talking about Andrew Thomas

618
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: being one of the better pass rushing blockers in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: That was supposed to like stump you. I was supposed

620
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: to say that to you, and you were supposed to

621
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: be like, no, one's a genius like the guy so

622
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: locked in. He's down to that level of detail. And

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Speaker 1: you're doing the same thing with the Bills. Not only

624
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: is the Bills passwords really good, they're number one in

625
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: the league in pressure rape, but only in number eighteen

626
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: and the blitz. So what they're going to be able

627
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: to do against the Kansas City O line that has

628
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: not recovered from the postseason last year. They have not

629
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: proven to be able to protect Patrick Mahomes in the

630
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: same way. They are going to be able to get

631
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: pressure on Patrick Mahomes without having to sacrifice coverage in

632
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: the deep part of the field where their defensive backs

633
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: are actually very good. So the defense is just much

634
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: better than last year, and that is really important. I

635
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: would take it one step further. You can bet the

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00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: plus three. You're gonna have a little more fun to

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Speaker 1: just bet the Bills on the money line. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: the way, I believe to show you the struggle of

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Speaker 1: the offensive line for Kansas City. Their highest graded offensive

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Speaker 1: lineman could be Creed Humphrey, their rookie from Oklahoma that

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Speaker 1: that's concerned, so what you know, and he's really good.

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Speaker 1: He was the best center in the country. But we've

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Speaker 1: talked about this before. A defensive line can be improved

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Speaker 1: Offensive line you could bring in four Pro Bowlers. It

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Speaker 1: takes time. Generally, it's a chemistry unit. And to your point,

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Speaker 1: in my point, Kansas City right now is struggling in

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