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Speaker 1: Still reeling from the Supreme Court sixty three ruling on

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Speaker 2: The Court has effectively ended affirmative action in college admissions.

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Speaker 1: He spoke from the Roosevelt Room, in fact, little more

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Speaker 2: New York today. The Court once again walked away from

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Speaker 2: decades of precedent and make as the dissent has made clear,

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Speaker 2: the Descent states in today's decision quote rolls back decades

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Speaker 1: From the descent, he agrees with the dissent. We got

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Speaker 1: work with the Department of Education to provide resources to

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Speaker 2: Said today, I'm directing the Department of Education to analyze

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Speaker 1: And we bring in Congresswoman Robin Kelly for some insights here,

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Speaker 1: the Democrat from Illinois's second district, which spans a diverse

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Speaker 1: Representative Kelly, I wonder your response to this news today.

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Speaker 3: I am severely, severely disappointed this opens well, we'll close

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Speaker 3: doors of opportunities for so many students. And I agree

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Speaker 3: I just hope that colleges will continue their mission of

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Speaker 1: Justice Alito during arguments referred to the Court President prior

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Speaker 1: What would you have told them?

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Speaker 3: As long as it's necessary. I mean, we still see

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Speaker 3: This is the right thing to do again for the college,

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Speaker 1: We heard from Speaker Kevin McCarthy his statement the Supreme

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Speaker 1: This will make college admissions processes fairer and uphold equality

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Speaker 3: Tell my speaker he's putting a spin on that, because

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Speaker 1: But it speaks to a fundamental disagreement or misunderstanding. You

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Speaker 1: Would you support the President taking executive action to somehow

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Speaker 3: I would support it. Yes, I would support it because

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Speaker 1: Our listeners. Congressman, what are they saying on the South

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Speaker 3: Just from other members? I haven't gotten I've been busy

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Speaker 3: forty years of a decision is being dismantled, a decision

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Speaker 3: that it's done. You know. Well, and again not just

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you, did the Supreme Court just

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Speaker 3: Well, I hope the Supreme Court wakes folks up that

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Speaker 1: We're spending some time with Congresswoman Robin Kelly, Democrat from Illinois.

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Speaker 3: I'm usually an optimist, but I cannot say I'm an

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Speaker 1: So if it is struck down, and I know a

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Speaker 3: think he did well. I don't know how he did

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Speaker 1: But you can drop numbers if you want. Would you

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Speaker 1: say you can drop numbers if you want.

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Speaker 3: Congresswoman, No, I don't know the numbers. I'm kidding it,

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Speaker 3: but no. I think he did a good job, and

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Speaker 3: he wanted to do, create an economy that works for

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Speaker 3: did in one hundred and seventeenth Congress, he is living

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Speaker 3: up to much of what he wanted to do, and

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Speaker 3: we are growing the economy, as he says, from the

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Speaker 3: middle out in the bottom up, not you know, top down.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you that the numbers are kind of

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Speaker 1: tough though. In Chicago, the jobless rate went from forty

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Speaker 1: three to fifty seven percent for black people ages twenty

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Speaker 1: to twenty four. I know that's a narrow slice in Chicago,

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Speaker 1: but it's a very important age group when Democrats are

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Speaker 1: trying to deliver a message.

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Speaker 3: Right, But overall, this is the lowest unemployment for people

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Speaker 3: of color overall. I mean that's a Chicago issue that

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Speaker 3: you know, we all have to do something about and

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Speaker 3: connect those dots of people that are unemployed and the

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Speaker 3: jobs that are available, because I speak to a lot

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Speaker 3: of businesses in Chicago and in my district, and my

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Speaker 3: district goes from Chicago to South of Danville that are

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Speaker 3: desperately looking for people.

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Speaker 1: So congress Woman, I'm glad you could come see us.

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Speaker 1: We're going to be in Chicago for the convention. I

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Speaker 1: hope you'll meet us there. Congo Swoman Robin Kelly, the

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Speaker 1: Democrat from Illinois, with instant reaction to the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: decision