1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous woman disappears on 2 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: the edges of a well known and popular swamp forest. 3 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: What happened to Paola Miranda Rosa? Absolutely stunning with a 4 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: loving family, lots of friends. Why has her case not 5 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: been solved? As the days to buy? Where is Paola? 6 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to our friends at 7 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: Fox thirty five. It's hard to even focus on the 8 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: fact that it's the holiday season. I don't know what 9 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: they it is right now. Andrea Miranda says it has 10 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: been a whirlwind since her sister, thirty one year old 11 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: Paola Miransa Rosa of Asiola, accounts he went missing last week. 12 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: We've see Christmas slates around this. We see that, but 13 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: your tunnel mission on the mension of finding her. Her 14 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: family reported Paola missing Sunday after they had not heard 15 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: from her since Friday. Monday, they started making flyers and 16 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: searching the area, and they eventually found her car at 17 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: with khaih Whi Spring State Park on Tuesday. Guys, we've 18 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: got to help find this woman. Her family's so distraught, 19 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: and what concerns me is that people saw her waiting 20 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: in the water. They took pictures of her, but they 21 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: didn't comment or speak to her. That the facts surrounding 22 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: Paola's disappearance are studying. We want to find this woman 23 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: the tip line four zero seven three four eight two 24 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: two two two. And I find it highly significant that 25 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: her family is raising funds for a private investigator. Joining 26 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: me and All Star palel to make sense of what 27 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: we know right now. Lisa daddy O, former police lieutenant. 28 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: You have a police department and senior lecturer at the 29 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: Center for Advanced Policing where she's Director. Karen Start, renowned 30 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: psychologists joining us out of Manhattan at Karen Stark dot com. 31 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: Dale Carson, high profile lawyer joining us out of Jacksonville. 32 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: Former fed with the FBI, author of Arrest Proof of Yourself. 33 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: He's at del Carson Law dot com. A very special 34 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: guest joining us. He will remember him from the Gabby 35 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: Petito Brian laundry case. He's known as the Turtleman, Chris 36 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: Adams swap survival expert. You can find him on Facebook 37 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: at Living Wild, on TikTok at Georgia Turtleman, and you're 38 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: gonna see why he's so important. Nicole Parton first to 39 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: you Nicole parton Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Explain 40 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: to me where Paola was last seen? So December seventeen, 41 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: she spends a great day with her family, her grandmother, 42 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: her uncle, her mother. They have lunch together. She leads 43 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: there later in the day. You say there, Nicole, who 44 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: what where her wife? When? Don't say there? Where? Where? 45 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: She leaves her grandmother's home, which is on Simona Avenue 46 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: in Orlando? Or thank you? Have you ever heard of 47 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: that game? Twin one questions? Don't let me play that. 48 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: I'm a j D, not a DDS. Don't know how 49 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: to pull it too. So Orlando. She's at Orlando lunchtime, 50 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: December seventeen. Is that correct? Yeah? To see how easy 51 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: that just came off my tongue. Orlando, December seventeen. Okay, 52 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: Then what happened? She left there? She went to a 53 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: doctor's appointment. Jar's confirmation that she made that appointment, saw 54 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: the doctor. After that, she returned to her home again 55 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: in Orlando. Did she live one day? Did she live 56 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: along with her Twitter doggies? Yeah? Okay, go ahead. December eighteen, 57 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: she makes an ATM deposit at the bank. You know 58 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: that's interesting deposit versus withdrawal. I'll circle back with that 59 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: with you, Dell Carson. But a deposit, not a withdrawal. Okay, 60 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: go ahead. After that bank deposit, she heads down to 61 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: which she was state park, which she had planned to do. Okay, 62 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: go ahead. Where's that? And that's about a thirty five 63 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: to forty minute drive about twenty miles north of her 64 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: home in Orlando. Did she take her dogs? She did 65 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: not take her dog would she normally have? No And 66 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: her family knew that she was going. She had told them, Hey, 67 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: I'm going up to the state park tomorrow, so it 68 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,239 Speaker 1: was a planned visit to the state She a hiker 69 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: or a jogger, a nature enthusiast. She did enjoy the outdoors. 70 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: She didn't see Land's interesting. That's interesting because I tell 71 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: my children we're going to go in to nature hike 72 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: and they go, oh, Mom, not another tree. Do you 73 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: know how much that breaks my heart? Since I taught 74 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: tree identification on a national forest. I want them to 75 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: love nature, and they do love nature, but not necessarily 76 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: my nature walks. So she goes on on her own volition. 77 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: She goes to you're saying with Kiwa State Park twenty 78 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: miles north of Orlando. Yes, that's correct. Okay, is she 79 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: spotted there? She is? Um, So at that point, let's 80 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: let's skip a day and then we're going to come back. 81 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: So December twenty two, authorities located you left off December eighteen. 82 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: One day would be December nineteen. December nineteen, there's nothing, okay, 83 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: December twenty nothing, December twenty one, nothing, December twenty two. 84 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: By now, her family has reported her missing and police 85 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: locate her black two thousand and eleven Chevy h h R. 86 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: Her car parked at the state park. H what h 87 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: h R. It's a it's a Chevrolet vehicle, a little car, 88 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: Okay at the state park. Yes, and very quickly they 89 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: find the car. There any signs of foul play, No 90 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: signs of foul play, was the carlark? The car was locked, 91 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: where the keys enter out of the car are not found? 92 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: That was not found, not disclosed. Okay, I'm letta start 93 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: right there, guys. We were talking about uh, Paola Miranda 94 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: Rosa stunning beautiful, spends the holidays with her family, but 95 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: then December eighteen, is he just here? From Crime online 96 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporting Nicole Parton, she goes to with 97 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: Kiwa State Park. Enter the Turtleman Chris Adams. You can 98 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: find him on Facebook, Living Wild, TikTok Georgia Turtleman Chris Adams. 99 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: I assume you've seen the photo of Paola in the water. 100 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: Did you see that? The photo actually, to me almost 101 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: doesn't look It looks like a beautiful drawing or set 102 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: up photo. She's in this beautiful swamp area with a 103 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,559 Speaker 1: tree canopy over her, and she's wading into the water, 104 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: you know, for a swim. And I was curious why 105 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: complete strangers thought that was a good picture to take. 106 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: Why would they take that picture? Tell me about where 107 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: she was? That was my initial thought, as well as 108 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: why were these hikers she was randomly taking a photo 109 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: or a video of this other person on the trail. 110 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: The thing is she wasn't on the trail. Understanding is 111 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: that was an area that swimming waiting was not permitted in. 112 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: So I guess to their surprise, they saw this individual 113 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: in the water and they thought it strange enough to 114 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: take video or photo of that. Tell me about this 115 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: is a swamp is it not. With Kiwa State Park 116 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: by the Chicago River right there runs out of the 117 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: park but as with any river, you've got the floodplain 118 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: off to the side, which makes you know dozens of 119 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: little gullies and swimming hole areas. That's nothing more than 120 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: a river swamp. So yes, I'm looking at the video 121 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: right now. Is that her hair she's got long brown hair. 122 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: Is that her hair down her back? Or does she 123 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: have on a backpack? It looks like a backpack or 124 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: a swim shirt of some sort, like a tank top 125 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: over her shirt. Have you looked at that. I've looked 126 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: at the photo, but it's kind of grainy to me. 127 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: I thought it could be either Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, 128 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: now I want you to tell me about the area. 129 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: Why would you not go swimming in that water? It's 130 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: just I'm just looking at this picture because everything about 131 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: it to me, Jackie is screaming alert read alert. But 132 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a trial lawyer. I put the bad 133 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: guys behind bars, that's my thing. But I don't even 134 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: know what I'm seeing. Chris Adams, you're the survival expert. 135 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 1: What's wrong with this picture? Well, going back to twenty fifteen, 136 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: on the same section a river, there was a reported 137 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: alligator attack with a woman who lost part of her 138 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: arm to a larger alligator. And mind you that alligator 139 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: attacks are pretty rare, but it is always a possibility, 140 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 1: especially in an area such as that. I mean, you 141 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: show me a cup of water in Florida, I'll show 142 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: you an alligator. But that area she was in is 143 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: only about hit deep, so where she was waiting through, 144 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: one would think that she might be able to see 145 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: an alligator or any individual see an alligator in that 146 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: amount of water. But I have run up on roadside 147 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: ditches with no more than eight inches of water and 148 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: there'd be an alligator laid in it that you wouldn't 149 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: see unless you a keen eye for it. So there's 150 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: always a possibility that river has alligators, just like every 151 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,599 Speaker 1: other spot of water in Florida. So you take for 152 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: caution anywhere you put your feed in. Okay, I'm trying 153 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: to take in everything you're you're saying, well, you're saying 154 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: to me, Chris Adams aka swamp man, excuse me, turtleman. 155 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: It's like drinking from a fire hydra. It's too much 156 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: tooth asked now, if I were to start throwing a 157 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: lot of Latin legal terms that you like, non secretary 158 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: racips a loquatory. You go, what that's what's happening to 159 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: me right now. So, just for my benefit and for 160 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: our friends here in the studio, could you tell me 161 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: what you just said one more time, because the thing 162 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 1: that jumps out at me, Chris Adams, is that I 163 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: see her alone out in the water. And you're right, 164 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: it's just barely up to her hips. Who would worry 165 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: about that? But nobody else is in the water. I 166 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: don't see any other watercraft, no ski, do boat, no pontoon, nothing, 167 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: And just my instinct is there's a reason why she's 168 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: the only one in the water. Now, tell me everything 169 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: you just said one more time, Chris. That's an area 170 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: to my understanding that swimming is not permitted swimming or waiting. Well, 171 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 1: there's no signs saying that. I believe there are another 172 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: sections of the park. Well not right there, Chris. I'm 173 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: looking right at it. I don't see any sign But 174 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 1: I mean when you pass signs going in it' say 175 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: bewarey gay ors. I don't know if there were any, 176 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: but I don't see any right there. Guys with me 177 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: an all star panel to make sense of what we 178 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: know right now about a gorgeous young woman missing. We 179 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 1: know that she had already put Christmas presents under the 180 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: tree that she planned to give her family and her 181 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 1: furry babies. I think she had four animals, that she 182 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: had just spent an afternoon with her family at a 183 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: kind of a Christmas celebration lunch and then suddenly drops 184 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 1: literally off the mat. But I'm not buying that this 185 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: woman did not drop off the match. She did not 186 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: intend to go missing. Her car locked and in the 187 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: correct position at the state park. Take a listen to 188 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: our cut to This is jesse Canalis Spectrums thirteen. The 189 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: thirty one year old went missing the week before Christmas. 190 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: Faulla was with her grandmother on Friday eighty seven, seventeen 191 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 1: and was supposed to meet up with her sister the 192 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: next day, but never arrived. Five thirty in the afternoon 193 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: on Friday was the last time we spoke with her. 194 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: Her mom became worried Saturday morning when Paola didn't call her. 195 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: After not hearing from her at all on Saturday, her 196 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: family went to her home on Sunday, so her car 197 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: was gone and her pets left all alone. It's something 198 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: her dad said she didn't never do through our own investigation, 199 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: we found she exited the last the four twenty nine 200 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: in ze world, so we know where she exited the interstate. 201 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our friends at Fox thirty 202 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: five Orlando uricat four. This is Christy Kern. Debbie's have 203 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: been searching the area, but still no sign of Paola. 204 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: We immediately felt like there was something wrong. Maybe it 205 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: was just not normal. The family has also been searching ants. 206 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: They are hoping for others to come forward with any information. 207 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: Don't be afraid to share it, even if it's wrong, 208 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: like if it's somebody else. We want her home. Bla, 209 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: we love you, We want you home. They say. Paola 210 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: was last seen wearing blue jeans, shorts and a green 211 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: or white shirts. Of course it hurts as holiday. We 212 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: want her with us. Oh, we gotta do what we 213 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: gotta do. Right there, we've heard a lot of very 214 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: significant details. Do you Karen Start joining us from Manhattan, 215 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: renowned at New York psychologist at Karen Start and dot com. 216 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: The father says she would never leave her pets alone. 217 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 1: It would be a cold day in HBL. You know, 218 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 1: just for one moment, Karen Start, you were with me 219 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: here in my whole pregnant. See as far as it's 220 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: going to be to do put my children out of this, 221 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: I would never leave fat boy the dogs, sent them 222 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: in the cat Abbie Chloe, the guinea pigs to find 223 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: for themselves that that would not happen, would not happen. 224 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: So I think the father's right. And this is what 225 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: we call behavioral evidence, evidence of routine. Karen start jump in. 226 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: I was thinking the same thing, Nancy, because I have 227 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: dogs and I can't imagine leaving them, even overnight, by themselves. 228 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: So this is uncharacters the behavior. Anyone who loved Atamas 229 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: know that. And also the fact that she had an 230 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: appointment with her sister and she never showed up, and 231 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: her cars just they're abandoned, not in touch with her family. 232 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: Something that's really wrong. And I can understand why the 233 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: family would hire a private investigator at this point. Yeah, 234 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: that brings me to a very very important point. The 235 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: family is now hiring a private investigator. Back to Chris Adams, 236 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: swamp survival expert who took the forefront and the search 237 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: for Brian Laundry. After Laundryes fiance Gabby Petito was found 238 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: dead out near the Tetons Chris Adams. After all of 239 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: searching for days and days and days at Carlton Reserve 240 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: for Brian laundry, the parents went in and found his 241 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: items not far from his body in less than an hour. 242 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: So what what are the deputies missing? Why does this 243 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: family feel they've got to hire a private eye? Explain 244 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: to me how you would search a place like with 245 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: Kiwa State Park. All right, So this is just like 246 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: I pointed out in that previous case you just mentioned, 247 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: you can go over a wild area like that would 248 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: fine tooth calm, and still miss something. And I'll repeatedly 249 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: say that to anyone I meet, because you're going to 250 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: leave some trace. If you're just going in there on 251 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: a leisure trip, you were going to leave some trace 252 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: that you were there. Now, that doesn't mean necessarily dropping 253 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: a trail behind you, a key chain or a bill 254 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: fold or anything. That just means tracks you stopped and 255 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: had used the bathroom somewhere, anything like that. Now, this 256 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: is going to run back into what I was just 257 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: trying to convey a little while ago. I was mentioning 258 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: the alligators in the river. Because there was an alligator 259 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: attack on this river does not mean that this individual 260 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: or any individual for that matter, that goes into a 261 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: swamp is going to be attacked by an alligator. And 262 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: one of the things that media outlets get wrong is 263 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: they say alligator infested. That makes everybody thinks the worst 264 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: of an area that this person went into, makes them 265 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: think that this person probably was attack. That doesn't mean 266 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: that at all. It could have very well waited further 267 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: down that river gotten out somewhere I have done many 268 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: times before on rivers around here in South Georgia. Walked 269 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: into the woods and found a thick place that I 270 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: couldn't get through, and I had to make my own trail. 271 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: It's very easy to get lost, to get turned around 272 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: in some area like that. China, So kin everything you're saying, 273 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: Chris Adams, Because out of the twenty five thousand acre 274 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: Cralton Reserve, police used drones, boats, scuba disers, scuba divers, 275 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: bloodhounds to try to find Brian Laundry and his family 276 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: found evidence of him near his body in less than 277 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: an hour. So, Chris Adams, what do they need to 278 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: be doing to find Paola? Well, from what my understanding is, 279 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: they have done all of that on this side too, 280 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: with underwater scuba gear. They've had people on horseback, people 281 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: on foot, but there are conservation easements state forest lands 282 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: adjoined to this. An individual could get off and walk 283 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: very far out of the park and they have gotten 284 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: turn around, so they may not even be looking in 285 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: the right place. This is where police oftentimes make mistakes 286 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: because they try to use technology when the only actual 287 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: solution is to get on the ground and search inch 288 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: by inch, and the use of thermal camera cameras in 289 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: order to search for a lost person is only marginally successful. 290 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: I agree totally prime stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, what 291 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: do they need to be doing right now? Del Carson, 292 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: former FBI now high pifile lawyer out of Jacksonville. This 293 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: is fairly straightforward. I mean, you've got to get boots 294 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: on the ground, which means you're going to have to 295 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: extend energy and personnel in order to thoroughly search the area. 296 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: And from my reading of the news articles, they didn't 297 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: do a very thorough search. They went a little bit here, 298 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: a little bit there. That's not how you conductor search, 299 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: and Chris is entirely correct. You get into a swamp, 300 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: if it's dim or getting dark, you don't know which 301 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: direction is which, you'll never find your way out, and 302 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: you can be literally lost for days. The only way 303 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: to sort this out is to go where she was 304 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: last seen. Start from there, one step at a time, 305 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: searching on the ground. And it's Chris also mentioned there 306 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: are areas that are just impassable. So unless you have 307 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: a machette or some way to exit through those areas, 308 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: it takes days and weeks to search, not hours. To you, 309 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: Nicole Pardon Crime online dot Com, explain to me what 310 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 1: this search is entails so far, so, the Offiola Sheriff's 311 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: Department are saying that from that siding where the video 312 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: was taken, they searched the river with high intensity cameras 313 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: four miles north and miles south from that point. They're 314 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: also saying that they secured the park by plane, by drone, 315 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: by boat. They've had divers in the water, they've had blood, bloodhounds. 316 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: But they're saying they secured the perimeter by those methods, 317 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: not that they searched every acre of the park by 318 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: those methods. But the reality is to Chris Adams, a hey, 319 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: a turtleman is I believe joining me from a swamp 320 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: right now? Chris, there are thousands of acres, seven thousand acres, 321 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: and there are miles and miles of trails to walk 322 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: and to bike, So it's like a needle in a haystack. 323 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: It's just reminded me of the Brian laundry case. It 324 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: does in many ways, and like we all just said, 325 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: it is going to take people getting in there and 326 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: calmbing it over time and time again and there again 327 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: we might not even be in the right location, be 328 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: in the proximity, That might not be the exact spot 329 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: that we need to be looking. What about the main 330 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: attraction there, which are the springs themselves? Would that be 331 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: where she would be headed Chris Adams, I mean based 332 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: on where she's been seen my understanding as she was 333 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: heading down the river. So it is also my understanding 334 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: that that is away from the springs. The main hiking 335 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: trail is about fourteen miles long. There are miles and 336 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: miles of other biking and hiking trails. So at this point, 337 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: Chris Adams, what do you make at the theory of 338 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: alligator attack? Is that probable or is this just a 339 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: big cover up for what really happened to her? Again, 340 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: as I always say, it is a possibility when you 341 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: are in any part of the American alligator's range, if 342 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: you go into the water, there is a chance that 343 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: that animal may perceive you as a threat in a 344 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: fight or flight defense, harm you, or if you are 345 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: a small enough, weak enough individual and that animal is 346 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: hungry enough, it may take the chance to make you 347 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: a prey item. But those odds are very, very slim. Okay, 348 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: explain that to me. Why do you say the odds 349 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: are very slim? It just doesn't happen every day. I 350 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: work in a swamp, like you said, Okay, Finoki, it 351 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: has been a wildlife refuge for over eighty years and 352 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: we have had absolutely zero depths caused by an American alligator. 353 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: And in the hundred and fifty years of Anglo presence 354 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: here in the swamp, I don't know of one incident 355 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: where someone has been killed by an alligator in Okay, Finoki. 356 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: So that's just speaking for here, to Lisa Daddy, for 357 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: a police lieutenant Haven Police. The reality is, if she 358 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: had drowned, I ain't gone underwater. Wouldn't the natural gases 359 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: within her body caused by decomposition bring her to the 360 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,719 Speaker 1: surface of the water, Unless a gator had taken her 361 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: down to the bottom. Absolutely, it would have by known 362 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: the NC I mean typically you see that within its 363 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: depending on temperature water, air temperature, the size of the person. 364 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: She should have surfaced by now if she was in 365 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: the water somewhere, unless she's on one of the many 366 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: thousands of acres you know, on land, beast, upon the 367 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: current or whichever of the river, and they just haven't 368 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: found her physical body yet too, Chris Adams. If she 369 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: had drowned, would an alligant gator eat her dead body? 370 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: Are they very particular? Now there's there's the question. So 371 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: that animal is an opportunist, as our turtles and other 372 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: animals that live in the water that consume organic matter 373 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: like that. Now, if a person's body is decomposing, has 374 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: floated to the surface and been there for a few days, 375 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: any animal in that swamp that eats meat is going 376 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: to use that as an opportunity to feed. So then yes, yes, Okay, 377 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: here's the next question, Chris Adams. If Palla had been attacked, 378 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: don't they drag the victim down to the bottom of 379 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: the water, the body of water, and then roll over 380 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: and over and over it till the victim's drowns. Well, 381 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: they are primarily ambush predators. So if an animal like that, 382 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: an alligator, was to grab a hold of a person, 383 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: it will try and take the motor. Now that's spinning 384 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: and what they call a death roll. That's more used 385 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: to tear chunks off of an already decomposed form for 386 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: them to be able to swallow sizeable pieces. That's not 387 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: to kill whatever item is dragged under. You know, Karen 388 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: start on York psychologists joining us at a Manhattan It's 389 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: very difficult for me to look at the photo of 390 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: this gorgeous girl Payola and hear what Chris Adams is saying. 391 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: And I know it must be much harder for the 392 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: family to hear. Well, you can tell just when the 393 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: broadcast that the family is suffering, really suffering. That's why 394 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,719 Speaker 1: they went ahead and decided to hire their own Christian 395 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: And when you think, when you think about it, Nancy, 396 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: and you've brought this step earlier, it's really confusing that 397 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: people took pictures of her, actually did a video, and 398 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: you don't hear anybody yelling out and saying, hey, what 399 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: are you doing in that water? You're not supposed to 400 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: be swimming there are you? Okay? So the whole thing 401 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: is a tremendous mystery. You know, why is she there? 402 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: Why didn't somebody help her get out? And the family 403 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: they I can just tell they believe that there's hope 404 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: for her, and so it seems important to me that 405 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 1: people keep looking and trying to help this family. I mean, 406 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: it seems fantastical to me. Chris Adam said, she goes 407 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: waiting in the water and what is a type by 408 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: an alligator? And diyes, I mean she's not. It's barely 409 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: up to or hips. Would that be conducive to an 410 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: alligator attack? I mean it's very possible. But here's the thing. 411 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: As a naturalist, I know these animals. As a human, 412 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: I don't want to sound insensitive. I mean, someone's loved 413 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: one is missing out there, and the likelihood of them 414 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: being attacked by an alligator is probably very slim. I 415 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: think we as people just are quick to think of 416 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: the worst. I firmly believe she is probably not in 417 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: that river. Well, her car is there is still locked, guys, 418 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: And what I believe Nicole Parton is that her cell 419 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: phone is still in the car. Yes, that's what I'm 420 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: hearing her cell phone is still in the car. And 421 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: again we know she had plans with her family. She 422 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 1: was very excited about Christmas. She had a young niece 423 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: that she was looking forward to spending the holidays with. 424 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: She had plans on visiting the park for the day 425 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: and returning home. So something tragically happened. Guys, take a 426 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: list to our cut seven man. This is Carolynakordiver WKMG 427 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: new six. Earlier today, the father of Faula Miranda Rosa 428 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: came to this shopping center on curry Ford Road in 429 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: East Orlando and handed out flyers like this went to passerbys. 430 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: The family now telling me they've hired a private investigator 431 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: to help in her search. Gustavo Mirandas spent the day 432 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: posting flyers of his missing daughter around his neighborhood in 433 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: East Orlando. A father living any parents worse tonightmare. Holding 434 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: back tears, he says he just wants her to show up, 435 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: describing his firstborn daughter as a smart, active and friendly girl. 436 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: It's very out of character for her. We have such 437 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: an open communication in my family. Faula Miranda Rosa was 438 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: last seen December seventeenth, when she had lunch with family members. 439 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: The next day, she was supposed to visit her sister 440 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: Andrea Miranda, but she never showed up. She usually comes 441 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: over on the weekends. She tries to make it in 442 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: every weekend event to see her niece, my daughter, and 443 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: that was the plan for I miss her so much, 444 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: and you know, everything that passes where just like where 445 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: is she? So right there? I'm learning more deal Carson 446 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: every weekend and I know I did this myself. Or 447 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: my little nephews are being brought up, I would go 448 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: home to my hometown every weekend to be with them 449 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: every weekend, rarely missed. What does that tell you, Well, 450 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: there's no question that she intended to return, based on 451 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: the fact that she put a deposit in the APM 452 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: that you know, those are indicators that people continue with 453 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: their lives. Something has happened to her, and in my perspective, 454 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: she's more likely than not lost in those woods. As 455 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: soon as you stepped away from the creek, you're in 456 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: a situation where you don't know which is north or south. 457 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: And if you don't have a compass, which she did 458 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: not basically have any tracking mechanism with her, you could 459 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: use a cell phone. If you had it with you 460 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: to tell which cardinal direction there is, but she didn't 461 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: have that, So she's lost in there and the only 462 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: way to find her is, as Chris was mentioning, is 463 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: did you actually do an actual foot search through a 464 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: very impenetrable seven thousand acres to assure that she's just 465 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: curled up somewhere waiting for rescue. Time stories with Nancy 466 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: Grace Back to so called turtleman Chris Adams swamp survival expert. 467 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: Did you hear what del Carson just said? How easy 468 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: is it? How does it happen that you lose your 469 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: sense of direction? Well, parts all over the country have 470 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: trails for a reason, and if people go breaking those trails, 471 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: that is how you get lost. The trails are to 472 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: keep you safe and get you back to where you 473 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: started from. And some of them, if you get off 474 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: of them, yeah, you'll find your way back in five minutes. 475 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: But in a lot of these places, and especially down 476 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: in central Florida, where it's virtual jungle outside of open waterways, 477 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: it's very easy to get lost and be panned up 478 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: in there somewhere and you don't know how to get out. 479 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: Simple as that. I'm just thinking of her in there, 480 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: unable to get out to Lisa Daddio for a police 481 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: lieutenant joining us. Do you remember when we couldn't find 482 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: Gabby Petito And then another survivalist, a camper remembered taking 483 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: video of her van, her van that she was traveling in, 484 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: and based on where that camper took the video, when 485 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: she came forward with the video, Red White and Bethune 486 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: I think was their name, the cops found Gabby's body, 487 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: a similar thing happening here, Lisa Daddio. Three weeks later, 488 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: police finally get a lead from a group of hikers, 489 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: footage that could be key to her fate. So where 490 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: does that leave me? Yeah? Absolutely, I mean I think 491 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: this is exactly that point. I mean, there's no doubt 492 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: people that were walking that whole park, in that area 493 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: along the riverbeds, you know, probably saw her and they 494 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: don't even realize it yet because maybe they haven't seen it. 495 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: You know, if I was a law enforcement working for 496 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: law enforcement to see I'd be hitting every social media 497 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: channel imaginable because I'm sure there's other people that have 498 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: seen her that day or saw something that looks similar 499 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: to her, and we need to just do a better 500 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,959 Speaker 1: job at getting all this information out there. I got 501 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: another question to you, Chris Adams, expert in swamp survival. 502 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: We see that picture of her, that video that these 503 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: campers thought to take the video but didn't try to 504 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: warn her. How likely is it that we can even 505 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: identify that case? I mean, does that one area of 506 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: the swamp look pretty much like another area of the swamp. 507 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: How can we use that video that picture to isolate 508 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: at seven thousand acres where she was in that case? 509 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to go back to the original source. 510 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: And whoever took the video, I would ask them where 511 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: they took the video. It's not like somebody can forget 512 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: that quickly. I go and take pictures and video all 513 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: across swamps and river bottoms in South Georgia, and I 514 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: guarantee you I knew exactly where I took each one 515 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: of them nearly. Yeah, you're right. So they're on a 516 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: mark trail taking that video off you. You ought to 517 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: be able to find it again. Chris Adams, What did 518 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: you learn from the search for Brian laundry at Carlton Reserve, 519 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: also a Florida swamp, And how can we apply what 520 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: you learned to the search for Paola and the old 521 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: words leave no stone unturned. You've got to go out 522 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: there and look. And as simple as that, she may people, friends, 523 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: members of the community, whoever wouldn't put help, They need 524 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: to go out there and help this family. Take a 525 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: list of our cut six from our friends at Spectrum 526 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: News thirteen. During a search, friends at Family found Bauala's 527 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: car abandoned in Wakaba Springs, Osila County. Shaf's office reports 528 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: witnesses saw her at the park on Saturday, but eighteenth. 529 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: More than one hundred and fifty law enforcement officers in 530 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: Osila and Orange County search the area for three days 531 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: and weren't able to find Faula. Officers don't suspect any 532 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: foul play. We're not giving up hope we'll see her again. 533 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: We're a family of faith and pray for her safe 534 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: return and also our cut nine. This is our friend 535 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: Christie Tournament Channel nine. A father on his knees praying 536 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: for his daughter's safe return. It's been two weeks since 537 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: family has seen or heard from thirty one year old Payola. 538 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: Marie Miranda Rosa of Osiola County. It's my babies, my friend, 539 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: everything Yvonne Rosa is ringing in the new year, desperately 540 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: looking for answers and her daughter's disappearance. Half of her 541 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: heart is missing, like half of her life is missing. 542 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: Through a translator, the mother says this is out of 543 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: character for her daughter. They have a best friend relationship, 544 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,919 Speaker 1: the one that a mother daughter always wants. She would 545 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: speak to her five, six times a day, talk to 546 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: her all day. Miranda Rosa's car was found abandoned in 547 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,280 Speaker 1: Wakaiva Springs State Park last week. Tips led the family 548 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: to a popco where they gathered New Year's Eve to 549 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: hang flyers. The family doing everything they can, including creating 550 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 1: a caravan, drumming at leads, using posters, banging anyone and 551 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: everyone for help. But I mean, how difficult is it, 552 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: Chris Adams. You can't really go shoulder to shoulder and 553 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 1: a swamp full of alligators where you just gotta try 554 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 1: you best. I know, if I lost a loved one 555 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: somewhere out in the wilderness and I didn't know where 556 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: they were at, I pulled every stuff and make every 557 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: effort try and get out there and find them. So 558 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 1: my hats off to this family and to the friends 559 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 1: that want to help do that to Nicole parton joining 560 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: us Crime online dot Com. What is happening right now? Oh, 561 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: police are basically saying that they've done all they can 562 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 1: do in the state part, but as you said, Paula's 563 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: family is continuing every effort that they can. They are 564 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: also saying that they are a strong family of space. 565 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: They're praying for a miracle and that she will be found. 566 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: Play think a miracle will be getting lawn for us 567 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: back out there, because I mean, deal Carson, Chris Adams 568 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 1: of how many weeks did the FBI and the police 569 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: search for Brian Laundry and Carlton Reserve. They didn't give 570 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: up after seventy two hours, Deal Carson, Well, they were 571 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,800 Speaker 1: looking for a fugitive. And what's more important is this 572 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: woman is innocent of any crime. They should redouble the 573 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: efforts to locate her and just getting on the ground 574 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: searching very carefully. And there's another issue, which is the 575 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: warm weather is bringing out the other riptile are in 576 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: the swamps, areas like moccasins. To you, Chris Adams, I 577 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: know you're heading back out onto the swarmping right now. 578 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: Is that true? I mean, that's true. I've looked at 579 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 1: the weather since December seven, tink down around Orlando, and 580 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,399 Speaker 1: it's been pretty constient, seventies and eighties, getting down into 581 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 1: the sixties at night. With those temperatures, you've got your 582 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: venomous reptiles like rattlesnakes or watermarksins crawling and though they 583 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: are a lingering thread, if you don't watch where you're 584 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: putting your feet, they are out and about. And that's 585 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: just the simple truth of it. Okay, guys, take a 586 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: listen to our cut eleven w k M jus six. 587 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 1: We've been finding flyers for Miranda Rosa down these trails 588 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: here behind me, where there are difficult areas to reach 589 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: unless you're on foot. The Ossiola County Sheriff's office bringing 590 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 1: in specialized equipment and hopes of finding any sign of 591 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: the missing woman. You know, she did go into this 592 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: area in the water. Hopefully it will shut some light 593 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: to where she's at. Ossola County Sheriff Marcos Lopez joining 594 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: a team of eight Marine trein deputies Wakaiva Springs State 595 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 1: Park the search for missing thirty one year old Paola 596 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: Miranda Rosa coming to this spot after video taken by 597 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: hikers December eighteenth shows her waiting in the water. You know, 598 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: it's just the last known sighting of her being alive. 599 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: Walking into that area, Lopez says he's hoping she walked 600 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: out safely, but if not, this underwater camera system will 601 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: help see into hard to reach areas of the Waikiwa River. 602 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: We'll take this pontoon boat, go over about halfway in 603 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: there and take the camera system and scour it and 604 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: turn it and look and at Deputy's planned on searching 605 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: nearly five miles of water. The ship line four zero 606 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: seven three four eight two two two Nancy Grace Crumb 607 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,479 Speaker 1: story signing off, goodbye friend,