Speaker 1: From the East Side with love. What's up y'all? Propaganda here?
Speaker 1: As you know, I mean, you didn't started to bode,
Speaker 1: so you should know already. Today I got one of
Speaker 1: the uh, a longtime friend, a very talented brother. Um,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a good time. Like I said in
Speaker 1: season two, what I'm trying to do in this season is,
Speaker 1: you know, the first season was really more about like
Speaker 1: proof of concept. What I mean when I say her
Speaker 1: politics would propably, like if you understand city living, you
Speaker 1: understand politics. And I was trying to give you all
Speaker 1: examples of that and bring people in that. We're proof
Speaker 1: of that now, as in the DJ Head episode, I
Speaker 1: am showing you living examples of people who are actually
Speaker 1: doing what I was trying to get everybody else to do.
Speaker 1: This is what I want to grow. I'll be honest
Speaker 1: with y'all, like pretense, this is what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: grow out the hood. I like to call his brother here,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna let him introduce himself in a second.
Speaker 1: But like, and I know how strong this statement is,
Speaker 1: and you may have heard me say this before, but
Speaker 1: I believe this is okay Sea's Nipsey, and I know
Speaker 1: I know how I know how big of a statement
Speaker 1: this is, but I honestly, once we start talking about
Speaker 1: what this brother is doing, you will understand, you know.
Speaker 1: I remember. Actually it's funny like somebody actually tweeted out
Speaker 1: right when Nipsey passed out here, some somebody from out
Speaker 1: here was like, yo, like there's gotta be other brothers
Speaker 1: like this in cities across the country. And they was like,
Speaker 1: if you know, if y'all know of anybody that's that
Speaker 1: was like theyhood's Nipsey Like yo, tap tap in. And
Speaker 1: I thought of you and thisle um, you know, but
Speaker 1: specifically you and you why you here? Okay? See's on
Speaker 1: my boy j B. It's good as good as good
Speaker 1: in the Doom T shirt, yeah man, and my my
Speaker 1: propaganda coffee mug though, yeah that I got coffee crack
Speaker 1: it already, yeah yeah yeah yeah. So um, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have a little conversation here. Man, I'm just gonna really
Speaker 1: I want you to tell the narrative of like I know,
Speaker 1: from how I was introduced to you and who you were,
Speaker 1: there was already a history you know that I obviously
Speaker 1: wasn't a part of um. And then I've had a
Speaker 1: chance over the years, like we were together, you know,
Speaker 1: and just have ran into each other whenever where in
Speaker 1: each other's towns. We always find each other. But uh,
Speaker 1: I really want to talk about the trajectory how you
Speaker 1: got to where you were, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: From caripping to city councilman, Like, that's quite a that's
Speaker 1: quite a trajectory, you feel me so so yeah, so
Speaker 1: let's start from the beginning. Yeah, okay, see, I gotta
Speaker 1: I gotta definitely make it clear, like I definitely never
Speaker 1: been banged out, never was, never was cripping, but all
Speaker 1: my family is from from crip some my all my family,
Speaker 1: most most family from hood, you know, my brothers, my cousins,
Speaker 1: everybody gang bang him saying, so you was down there, Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just you know, living amongst the life,
Speaker 1: I guess you could say, and affiliated, you know, you
Speaker 1: like the differences. I think is that just being from
Speaker 1: a neighborhood, from the hood, you get tested by people
Speaker 1: from the set, so they ain't like you ain't never
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, you ain't with the setting like that,
Speaker 1: but you have to make sure that to draw the
Speaker 1: line for the for the those ones who who live
Speaker 1: and die behind them the flags. What I'm saying so
Speaker 1: that you know, um, yeah, there's a clarity. There's a
Speaker 1: clarity because you know it's different, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you want to just make sure you you know
Speaker 1: those people are like they died for these flags. Yeah
Speaker 1: you know, and so yeah, that's the difference. But I
Speaker 1: want to actually go back to something you just said
Speaker 1: right now, where you just get tested from other persons,
Speaker 1: Like there's I said this multiple times, whether it's in
Speaker 1: interviews or on this show, to where it's like when
Speaker 1: you just live over here, part of this is inevitable,
Speaker 1: and then it's you're eventually connected. So if it's like
Speaker 1: if I'm I've given to many times and I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure you could test this if we're just we're just
Speaker 1: walking home from school. I'm saying I'm just walking home,
Speaker 1: and that neighborhood sees me on the way to my neighborhood, Well,
Speaker 1: they know where that is. They're gonna test, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So and if I if I square
Speaker 1: up you know what I'm saying, Or if you're with
Speaker 1: your or if you're walking you know, different instance, you're
Speaker 1: walking home from the park with your cousins and you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And they all banged out and
Speaker 1: in the opposition seized them from the other side. They
Speaker 1: see them and you with them, they're not gonna stop
Speaker 1: and be like, oh wait, are you actually yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And y'all y'all dressed us saying,
Speaker 1: y'all talked to saying what I'm saying. Like growing up
Speaker 1: where I'm from, like we're so used to saying because
Speaker 1: it wasn't even like you don't even know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like it's so so even like just even that you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it's just a lot of
Speaker 1: the stuff is just it's just how you you know,
Speaker 1: what you're around and what you and how you raise.
Speaker 1: So here's a perfect example. I'm walking home from the park, me,
Speaker 1: my little sister, my cousins, and you know, we get
Speaker 1: run up on by some people from a different set. Well,
Speaker 1: you know how I'm gonna look to my family who
Speaker 1: who banged out? If I go, hey, this, y'all fight,
Speaker 1: you know you can't, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: and then and then yeah, so eventually what happens is
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sworn by myself and you know the
Speaker 1: foods that seen me with them, they're not about to go.
Speaker 1: Well he by itself today or you know what I'm saying, like, no,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta come with the same energy. So
Speaker 1: I said, I have to say, like, yeah, like there
Speaker 1: have been times where I've been tested. I've been you know,
Speaker 1: fights and jumped and even gay fight different sets. But
Speaker 1: it's a difference whenever you actually been been put on
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, you've been jumped on, quote it on
Speaker 1: and you have a spot in the game, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, as opposed to like you know, you
Speaker 1: somebody cousin from the community, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And the good thing about me was people that my
Speaker 1: cousins and brothers that was around me was so solid
Speaker 1: that um I was protected in the way to you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And so yeah, man, like uh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good point man. And it's like you you
Speaker 1: you know, we don't get to participate in the spoil
Speaker 1: was the booty of war be in the car in
Speaker 1: the rise. You know what I'm saying. All this been
Speaker 1: had our house, shut up all that stuff. But like
Speaker 1: I said, like, you know, you still even though I've
Speaker 1: seen those things, been those things. It's from my from
Speaker 1: my brothers and my cousins who who actually live and
Speaker 1: live in every single day. What I'm saying, like, it's
Speaker 1: disrespectful for me to act like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean that that that honor system,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like there's something again something I
Speaker 1: talked about on this show about like transferable skills, but
Speaker 1: that level of honor, respect, camaraderie, family, brotherhood in the
Speaker 1: sense that like I know, like you said, I understand
Speaker 1: what you went through for you to have for to
Speaker 1: have those tattoos. I understand what you went through for
Speaker 1: that and the danger you're putting yourself in. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing. Like even like even with me, like just
Speaker 1: like based on all that, like there's certain you know,
Speaker 1: based on how it was raised and who I was
Speaker 1: with and all that, there are certain people in certain
Speaker 1: assess that I don't mess with. I just don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like or you know, certain certain colors
Speaker 1: I just don't you know, just don't fly with me,
Speaker 1: or certain words, just don't flyer. It's just just know
Speaker 1: we we're from the same part of town, so like
Speaker 1: at least the California versions, so it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: It's just like it's it's still difficult for me to
Speaker 1: hear you know, even like you said, like I'm even
Speaker 1: though I'm not we're not active, Like I really don't.
Speaker 1: I really don't owe these crimps anything because I didn't
Speaker 1: sign up for I owe my my I think it's
Speaker 1: something that you write like I owe my life because
Speaker 1: there were times that like they was like with me,
Speaker 1: you got problem here with me. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you like, and because of that, I'm ready to get
Speaker 1: down with them if we got to get down something.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so uh so yeah. So it's in some sense,
Speaker 1: is I feel like I used to think that like
Speaker 1: I had the best the best of like the best
Speaker 1: of both worlds in some senses, but in other senses,
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, I'm going through all this and I'm
Speaker 1: not even on the set, like I'm going through all
Speaker 1: the you got. So that's the thing people people have
Speaker 1: really putting it in work. So like that's why it's
Speaker 1: just important to make sure you you know, yeah, you clarified,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So those things happened, you know,
Speaker 1: you're getting in trouble probably, right, Yeah, we all got
Speaker 1: in trouble, you know I'm saying, you know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: so just man, I like to describe it as just
Speaker 1: just regular stuff. Like I think I think to like
Speaker 1: because most people that I grew up around, we was
Speaker 1: all you know what I'm saying, getting some of the
Speaker 1: same kind of trouble. But I think for people who
Speaker 1: aren't used to sens like, oh you was, you know,
Speaker 1: But for us, it's like, you know, that's just part
Speaker 1: of growing up. Some of it was yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: some of it's just mischief board yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: running streets it's stupid, but and just kicking it with
Speaker 1: your with your people, you know. But yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I think just for me, I think back to a
Speaker 1: bunch of things that play a role in you know
Speaker 1: who I am so single parents, home, being homeless, And
Speaker 1: I'm saying a time like six seventh grade being homeless,
Speaker 1: um brother getting shot and killed or brother got shot
Speaker 1: in the head in front of our house, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like all those things Pop's not around,
Speaker 1: and then when he was around, all the stuff that
Speaker 1: was we had to deal with with that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like all those things kind of kind
Speaker 1: of really shaped and made me kind of who I am,
Speaker 1: But it really wasn't. I realized that that story are
Speaker 1: those things are part of my stories really would help
Speaker 1: show me, like, man, like there's some value and where
Speaker 1: I came from because most of the homies that come from,
Speaker 1: how where I came from. If it was as bad
Speaker 1: as it was for me, it's still that same way
Speaker 1: I'm saying that most of the home is that comfort
Speaker 1: where I came from. If it was as bad as
Speaker 1: it was as it was for me, Like they locked up,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, they passed on, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So so yeah, I think about I
Speaker 1: think about how I could look at my life and
Speaker 1: go dang, like I could be a product of my
Speaker 1: environment or I am a product of my environment, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So yeah, I'm just it's wild.
Speaker 1: It's wild. I think about my best friend that you
Speaker 1: know since just Great, he doing life in prison. He
Speaker 1: actually had a death sentence and because of how his
Speaker 1: trial went um, he actually ended up getting life. And
Speaker 1: then my other best friends they found him hanging inside
Speaker 1: the inside the county. My brother, you know, he got
Speaker 1: shot in front of my house. My cousin got shot killed.
Speaker 1: You know, I could just go on on on and
Speaker 1: a lot of those, a lot of those times and
Speaker 1: things I was either there or in close proximity to
Speaker 1: you think about all these things. I'm just like, man, like,
Speaker 1: I've been giving so many chances, all these opportunities where
Speaker 1: I missed jail. Even when I went to jail. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like, just um, how it turned
Speaker 1: out for me was just that's that's yeah. And so
Speaker 1: I I'd be uh squandering this opportunity if I didn't
Speaker 1: do something with That's what I'm asking So like you,
Speaker 1: the realization of what you're saying right now, like I
Speaker 1: would be squandering all these gifts that mind, these protections
Speaker 1: over my life, these chances I've had where I could
Speaker 1: have been much worse. And like you said, all of
Speaker 1: your friends, you know, we're in different situations somewhere in
Speaker 1: there and now had to have been whether they were
Speaker 1: big moments or pivotal, small incremental things. I would want
Speaker 1: to hone in on a few that I know of.
Speaker 1: So at some point, like hip hop happened for you,
Speaker 1: you know, and not hip hop like hip hop hip
Speaker 1: hop like like like m C and Chip. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Somehow that happened? When When did that happen? Ship?
Speaker 1: Yes you can okay? Yeah when balls ass? Okay? Uh
Speaker 1: so when did how did that happen? Um? That happened early?
Speaker 1: But you know, hip I will say this rapping kept
Speaker 1: me out of a lot of stuff too, for sure.
Speaker 1: The day and this is where this is when I
Speaker 1: realized the day my brother got shot, like I was
Speaker 1: supposed to be there. I was recording at the studio,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And part of me is thinking, like, haw,
Speaker 1: had I not been recording and I was there with
Speaker 1: them out? But what's interesting, let me let me stop
Speaker 1: you there. What's interesting is like you're sitting right across
Speaker 1: from me wearing a Doom t shirt. Right. But we've
Speaker 1: talked about too, how like California exported gangbanging, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and to the rest of the country,
Speaker 1: and and the uniqueness of which parts of the country
Speaker 1: took to the Cali thing and then which took to
Speaker 1: like the East coast sort of like New York thing obviously, Okay,
Speaker 1: see y'all took to Cali, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And for me, it was like it felt like I'll
Speaker 1: go I was gonna tell that story. It's like mostly
Speaker 1: because well, if you like, just understanding the migration of
Speaker 1: black people after emancipation, if if you were in the
Speaker 1: Deep South, they went north. But uh Texas, yeah, Texas,
Speaker 1: and okay see they went west. So most of California's
Speaker 1: families are from Texas and okay see, Arkansas, we're from there.
Speaker 1: So when we started getting in trouble in middle school,
Speaker 1: you know, you're what would happen is like you're about
Speaker 1: to get put on hood whatever whatever your mom and
Speaker 1: dad in then would be like, you're gonna go spend
Speaker 1: the summer with your auntie and he wasn't. Okay see,
Speaker 1: but then that kid would be that kid. That kid
Speaker 1: they thought it was getting at the hood, okay see,
Speaker 1: and be like, Okay, I'm from the hood. Y'all gonna
Speaker 1: be putting that's what happened because I remember that, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure Sandino probably could tell you too a
Speaker 1: little bit, uh like a little bit further history than
Speaker 1: I can. But I remember, like the nineties when I
Speaker 1: was in junior high, like, and you know, I think back,
Speaker 1: for instance, my first two encounters with somebody, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to put me on. You know, I'm saying
Speaker 1: me contemplate, ma, I need to get jumped on. Uh.
Speaker 1: The the first one was a home I had in
Speaker 1: elementary school. Yeah, I had got into it with this
Speaker 1: Mesikan kid and at Moon at the time, I don't
Speaker 1: know why, but it was mixed. They had started at
Speaker 1: busting kids from the south side to the east side
Speaker 1: and so, um, I got into the Mesican cat And
Speaker 1: so after school my home was like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: after school was gonna go to the Mesicans. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get down with all of it. You better, you say,
Speaker 1: said you better. You better help me because I'm helping you.
Speaker 1: And so I had to go and we got down
Speaker 1: with the Mesican cats. But and then after that it
Speaker 1: was a dude from I remember the dude from uh
Speaker 1: who came from He said, came from California something l
Speaker 1: a somewhere out here and he was coming to Okay.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, you ain't met someone from California. He
Speaker 1: putting that body on the hood and I'm saying, so
Speaker 1: the homies there was like n well, you gotta you
Speaker 1: meet me at the park at at Pitch Park. We're
Speaker 1: gonna jump you on Hoover. They getting the air was
Speaker 1: getting put on Hood, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I'm what I'm glad I didn't because all my people
Speaker 1: end up being from Hood anyway, so it worked out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that stuff, that story was so funny to us.
Speaker 1: Were not funny to us, but it was so interesting
Speaker 1: to us because it was like they would leave and
Speaker 1: and for our little eighth grade brain, it ceased to exist,
Speaker 1: like you just marvel blimp, like they just didn't exist anymore.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You didn't think like, hey,
Speaker 1: whatever they're Byron, Oh, I don't know it. We didn't know,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So like and what what
Speaker 1: happened would be, like I found out later, is like
Speaker 1: he gets okay, see here calls Big Homie like we
Speaker 1: could there's nobody we could run this ship. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You're like, all right, so then Big
Speaker 1: Homily be like I need twenty I need twenty of
Speaker 1: y'all moved, moved, moved to Oklahoma twenty y'all right? Here
Speaker 1: would Oklahoma just only for a year. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: imagine like if you think back to like just like
Speaker 1: the eighties seventies, and it's probably worse whenever it was
Speaker 1: moving like the Coca was moving out Oklahoma, boy, because
Speaker 1: you got no competition. At least that's what we thought.
Speaker 1: So anyway, so I say that to say, so then
Speaker 1: when you meet dudes out there, all they know about
Speaker 1: CALLI is in w A. They know gangbanging. But like
Speaker 1: I said, you're sitting here a rap but you wearing
Speaker 1: a doom shirt. So I'm like, tell me about that.
Speaker 1: So man, really, I'm trying to think. I'm trying to think.
Speaker 1: I I can't. I care. If I think that hard enough,
Speaker 1: I can. I could probably find a specific song time
Speaker 1: where you know, it switched for me, because there was
Speaker 1: a time, I think it when it was whenever I
Speaker 1: was old enough to start buying my own music because before,
Speaker 1: I mean I always rapped, like we was always wrapping
Speaker 1: in school of course, uh middle school, high school, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We always we had rap clicks.
Speaker 1: We had rap clicks with fight wrap clicks and all
Speaker 1: that other ones and all that kind of stuff. So um,
Speaker 1: but there's a few rappers that has always been for
Speaker 1: me no matter what. And that's like pop, Nash Scarface que,
Speaker 1: It's it's it's always been there for me. But whenever
Speaker 1: that's because you know my mom and then was for that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: My mom wake up in the morning, she playing two,
Speaker 1: watched garing for work, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: I think whenever I started listening to my own I
Speaker 1: started buying my own music. Um, it's whenever I kind
Speaker 1: of discovered like that like the Dunes and uh company
Speaker 1: flows and and that was probably around of time like
Speaker 1: probably like man it was, I would say Rockets. It's
Speaker 1: probably like a big thing. But I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: what it was I bought first. Um, I felt, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's probably something from Rockets, and I just went down
Speaker 1: a rabbit hole, you know what I'm saying. And then
Speaker 1: and okay, see, you had like two different it's still
Speaker 1: probably a little bit today, but you had two different
Speaker 1: like hip hop cultures, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: so me and my home is we probably we were
Speaker 1: bounced between both, you know what I'm saying, because because
Speaker 1: because you know what I'm saying, like all what we
Speaker 1: grew homes were grug with. There was always the club
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So you got the club
Speaker 1: rappers and you know, gangster rap and all of them,
Speaker 1: and you know what I'm saying, just that style, and
Speaker 1: then you had like the m C s. I guess you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I always say, always always remind people that, like the
Speaker 1: same year that Doggy Style came out and the big
Speaker 1: single Snoop Dog also passing Me By came out from
Speaker 1: the far side like this the same you're only once apart,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it's and it's a
Speaker 1: symbol of the two Los Angeles, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So so again knowing you guys mirroring like our culture,
Speaker 1: of course it was gonna happen like that. It was
Speaker 1: just gonna have. You're gonna have too. Didn't know that.
Speaker 1: It's crazy right when if you if you but if
Speaker 1: you look back, you know what I'm saying, like if
Speaker 1: you listen to both of them now, like they aren't
Speaker 1: that different, They're really not what they're different. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: even even like you know, when you look at like
Speaker 1: good Life and Elements and you know, project load them
Speaker 1: and like like Project Load, as as beautiful and as
Speaker 1: Black Renaissance Lamerte Park is it's still in the photies,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You you only ten blocks
Speaker 1: from the sixties, you know I'm saying, so like it's
Speaker 1: still that's just California, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: with that, With with that being said, it was like
Speaker 1: you you developed these two scenes, but then there was
Speaker 1: a few people, probably like yourself, that were hybrids. For us.
Speaker 1: One of the first hybrids, as far as we knew,
Speaker 1: was somebody like in a mod who was like from Hoover,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, from that neighborhood, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, so he did the street thing,
Speaker 1: but he was an m C you know, which ultimately
Speaker 1: gave birth to like the black hippie guys and Kendred
Speaker 1: who are like the the person who figured it out.
Speaker 1: That's they figured it out. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's a good word. Hybrid. I guess that. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: probably what it is. It's hybrid. Because I'm gonna cut
Speaker 1: you off real quick, but yeah, because like like I
Speaker 1: want you to remember your point. But like as I
Speaker 1: just came to me, Absoules new record. When he said, uh,
Speaker 1: he nailed it, he said, backpack rap with a gat
Speaker 1: in it. I'm like, that's it, that's that's hybrid. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's well. But but but I always you know, and
Speaker 1: that's the thing people don't realize two is that man,
Speaker 1: like a lot of them backpack rap ninkers was like
Speaker 1: it was like street niggers too, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like they get down too, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So so I want to say, you know, it was
Speaker 1: probably around that era, and um man, it just because
Speaker 1: what I guess what like what like drew me in
Speaker 1: was really more so of like the freedom to like
Speaker 1: like express myself in other ways because I because I
Speaker 1: even you know, I remember whenever Wuchank Forever came out
Speaker 1: and that album like just kind of like changed my mind,
Speaker 1: like changed my world, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, oh man, you could do
Speaker 1: so much with words and what you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: just as a as a rapper, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And you could do so much with with you know,
Speaker 1: with music, with beats and so yeah, it was just
Speaker 1: like just me going there and you know, I remember
Speaker 1: it got to a point to where you know, I
Speaker 1: would be bumping my woo change joints and we'll be
Speaker 1: on the on the school bus like East Coast because
Speaker 1: East Coast to do that to me too, Like I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like you know, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is freestyle fellowships. Yeah, yeah, same, Like so I
Speaker 1: felt like for me, I felt level graffiti, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So like that's that was my entrance
Speaker 1: into like backpack stuff with graffiti, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: do that, but like you kind of had to. You
Speaker 1: had to have squabbles if you do a graffiti to
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So like, yeah, so there
Speaker 1: was this real hybrid situation. But I want to fast
Speaker 1: forward you through. You've had a rather successful career, you know,
Speaker 1: on the independent of a couple like what I like
Speaker 1: to call for myself to like some really good at bats.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, was some moments where it
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this was a shot, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And you know it worked too, to the
Speaker 1: extent that you've been able to be a full time
Speaker 1: artists for a while, you know what I'm saying. You know,
Speaker 1: so We're super thankful that you've had some great like collapse.
Speaker 1: You know, there's nobody I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what city. You're not good, and everybody knows you wherever
Speaker 1: I go, you know what I'm saying, Like, and we've
Speaker 1: actually we've marveled as homies to be like da this
Speaker 1: JP just get around like everybody know him, Like you know,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, he's got collapsed with everybody. You know, he's
Speaker 1: just good everywhere, you know. But uh so, so for
Speaker 1: the sake of the time, I'm gonna squash like fifteen
Speaker 1: years into Julius, right, and to me, that marked a
Speaker 1: pretty significant change, right, So so justice for Julius. Tell
Speaker 1: me about that, Okay, I gotta it's important that we
Speaker 1: say that. You know, often times whenever we get to
Speaker 1: where we are with Julius, and usually you know, the
Speaker 1: persons already dead, like you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: then there's just a big, huge yeah, yeah, uh this
Speaker 1: was important because this person is still living and breathing.
Speaker 1: So um, Julius got arrested in ninety nine. He's a
Speaker 1: little bit older than me, but he was he was good.
Speaker 1: He went to John Marshall and he played basketball, and
Speaker 1: so there's a few things. For one, everybody knew about
Speaker 1: John Marshall's basketball and football team back then, so we
Speaker 1: knew who he was, uh to his sister and my
Speaker 1: sister is really cool. So I already knew his family.
Speaker 1: And then his his mom and my aunt were really
Speaker 1: tight best friends, uh and from the same sorority and
Speaker 1: all that. So I already knew his family. But the
Speaker 1: thing that happened with him is what you happened to
Speaker 1: a lot of brothers, is they get arrested for something
Speaker 1: and we see it, we're told by the news and
Speaker 1: all that this is what happened. You're like, damn, home,
Speaker 1: you got caught up. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: keep you going back your life, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But you know, years later we find out all these
Speaker 1: things that happened during his trial, during his arrest, you know,
Speaker 1: umpletely from completely bogus, you know what I'm saying. Uh,
Speaker 1: And so there's like, damn, you know, and we didn't
Speaker 1: nobody did nothing. We didn't see what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: there was a documentary that Viola Davis did called The
Speaker 1: Last Defense Actually got to be in that and she
Speaker 1: kind of excuse me, she kind of told the story,
Speaker 1: and um, let us see, you know what really happened.
Speaker 1: And so from there it was on. So um that
Speaker 1: was like seventeen and we just we've just been busy
Speaker 1: ever since. And one, you know, trying to prove his
Speaker 1: innocence and then uh, the second well the first thing
Speaker 1: was getting get get saving his life, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, the improving his innocence and getting them getting
Speaker 1: them free. So I mean it. And it went down
Speaker 1: to the wire. So I remember, uh, myself, Francy equal
Speaker 1: equ rolling, Jef Sdi and Cody Bass. We walked from
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City to McCalister to the State Initentiary, which was
Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty one miles. Took us four days.
Speaker 1: Whenever we initially said it, you know, I'm thinking it
Speaker 1: will take us a day and a half, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, And so I realized it was for once.
Speaker 1: Once you said that, you can't take it back, and like,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize it's gonna be four days. So we
Speaker 1: end up we did that. And the reason why we
Speaker 1: did that because we wanted to like we want people
Speaker 1: to see and and see like that these people were
Speaker 1: willing to risk their health, their life. I'm saying that well,
Speaker 1: being the New Year's Eve, all these things for this
Speaker 1: person's life, and so you know, that was one of
Speaker 1: the things we did to jump it off. You know,
Speaker 1: it just spread like a wildfire. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You was, you was talking about it, Mers was uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Kim Kardashian, Westbrook, everybody, it was. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think what even here in the backstory of how
Speaker 1: your families were connected. I think that this is something
Speaker 1: that's like really important to home in on about our
Speaker 1: experience to where as big as these cities are, they're
Speaker 1: not that big, you know what I mean, And that
Speaker 1: and that these news items and hashtags are people you know,
Speaker 1: and like you said, like your first story is like,
Speaker 1: oh damn, you got caught up thing, man, it could
Speaker 1: have been me, you know what I'm saying. And then
Speaker 1: and then you start thinking about how many other stories
Speaker 1: are exactly like that. But the fact that it's like
Speaker 1: what would you what person wouldn't walk a hundred miles
Speaker 1: for their family, you know what I'm saying. That's like
Speaker 1: you are in that and that's that's what I hope
Speaker 1: people understand. It's like, that's my family. And so even
Speaker 1: after that, whenever, we whenever, we really started pushing and
Speaker 1: pushing for his uh, his commutation. So we did this
Speaker 1: whole thing for commutation, he got. The Partnering Parole Board
Speaker 1: granted him clemency two times, amazing two times, and both
Speaker 1: times the governor said, no, I'm saying, that's never happened
Speaker 1: in the history. Oh, the Pardnering Parole Board granted him
Speaker 1: commutation two times, which if has never happened, clemency never
Speaker 1: happened in history. Of two times he was he was
Speaker 1: giving clemency two times, they voted for life with the
Speaker 1: possibility of parole, know what I'm saying. And even after
Speaker 1: those two times, the governor still proceeded to push for
Speaker 1: his death. And so then we realized they're really trying
Speaker 1: to kill this man. And so we started to kind
Speaker 1: of mobilize in different different ways, different areas to figure
Speaker 1: out what are what are what are things that everybody
Speaker 1: can do to try and save his life. One of
Speaker 1: the things we started to do us the Governor's mansion
Speaker 1: is right on on Northeast Street on the east side,
Speaker 1: and so, uh, we just said we're gonna sleep in
Speaker 1: front of his house every single night. He don't see us.
Speaker 1: When he really take his kids to school, they're gonna
Speaker 1: see us. So we had people camping out in front
Speaker 1: of the governor's mansion the whole because he was scheduled
Speaker 1: in November. So the whole month, the end of October
Speaker 1: to November, we were camping out in front of his
Speaker 1: house and um, just protesting. We're doing uh, you know,
Speaker 1: all kind of things, rallies, marches, um. And so we
Speaker 1: got we get down to the week of it, and
Speaker 1: we're at the state capitol every single day at his office.
Speaker 1: This was on This was on the news out here too,
Speaker 1: was it? Well, okay, we had the capitol every single day,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, every single day. And so, um,
Speaker 1: I think his when his mom is there too, and
Speaker 1: so the the let's say he was scheduled for a
Speaker 1: Thursday execution, I think so mother, it was probably Monday
Speaker 1: or Tuesday. His mom's gets there Tuesday, and so we're
Speaker 1: trying to like, you know, can we write her name
Speaker 1: on the list to meet with the governor. So we
Speaker 1: did all the things. This is after after he met
Speaker 1: with the victims. Fan saying the victim of the victim
Speaker 1: being Paul Howe, which I hadn't even talked about what
Speaker 1: happened in the case, but met with his family and
Speaker 1: it's penning to kill this other men, but won't speak
Speaker 1: to his mama. You know what I'm saying, Like, how
Speaker 1: are you gonna kill somebody? Child? And not even you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, speak to your mom. So yeah,
Speaker 1: when you're convinced that this person is guilty, Yeah, what
Speaker 1: you tell you? It's like it was nothing. I don't
Speaker 1: need to talk to his mama. Yeah, and you know
Speaker 1: and and what and what was so unique about the
Speaker 1: Julius that's just for Julius campaign is that it brought
Speaker 1: so many people together. It brought Christians, non Christians, the
Speaker 1: LGBTQ community, Republicans, Democrats, everybody from all walks of life
Speaker 1: were working together as safe his life. It was a
Speaker 1: clear and obvious like injustice and like the man is
Speaker 1: not guilty exactly what and like and I don't know
Speaker 1: what else we need to tell y'all. So uh for
Speaker 1: the second time, and we cut through this, y'all, y'all
Speaker 1: did it? Yeah? It worked? Yeah, So I do want
Speaker 1: to say it got down to the last right stuff.
Speaker 1: The day before, there's there's two things that happened. Um,
Speaker 1: the day before, which was Wednesday, every single high school
Speaker 1: student of Klama City walked out wow of school, a
Speaker 1: bunch of medals at the capitol. Uh. And so that happened.
Speaker 1: Then the kids walking out that night, we had probably
Speaker 1: thousands of people in front the Governor's mansion. One of
Speaker 1: our pastors got arrested that night. And so the next
Speaker 1: day is Thursday, where and we a bunch of was
Speaker 1: went to McAlister. I'm thinking, I'm prepared. I got I got,
Speaker 1: you know, my people's name number just in case, because
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I think it was scheduled for four. And
Speaker 1: so we decided, like at three o'clock, if this don't happen,
Speaker 1: it has to, IM saying it has to. So so
Speaker 1: then that day more kids walked out again. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, not just okay, see, but like all
Speaker 1: the schools surrounding and the suburbs, all those schools walked out.
Speaker 1: And um, and so we got the call like around
Speaker 1: twelve or one and that the governor had community sentence
Speaker 1: to life with life without parole, which which is what
Speaker 1: we were wanting was life with the possibility of parole.
Speaker 1: So and but he what he did was he said that, um,
Speaker 1: he can't apply for uh cut parole, a commutation or
Speaker 1: cann't see anything ever again. So like now that's the
Speaker 1: fight we're fighting. But yeah, but we I started to say,
Speaker 1: we saved his life. He's still alive, still still breathing.
Speaker 1: I got to see him. I go see him all
Speaker 1: the time. He's excited to see and meet you. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So um yeah. So actually whenever
Speaker 1: whenever he got moved to the other prison, I got
Speaker 1: to go to that to the spoties at down performed
Speaker 1: and I performed, and I did the show and I'm
Speaker 1: just talking and I didn't get to see him then
Speaker 1: because they had him secluded. But all the homies just
Speaker 1: coming up, like yo, JB. I heard you know propaganda yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, can you bring him when you come next time?
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, bro, I said, proper, come yo.
Speaker 1: And so I still got that those forms in my yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: get those forms filled out, man, because you know, he
Speaker 1: was a matter of fact, he was talking to other
Speaker 1: day about you know, if I get them informs, the
Speaker 1: problem I was like I sent him, he got him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just try to remember the dates. But down so
Speaker 1: even if you can't come for that, we can figure
Speaker 1: out something else I'm saying, and make it work. But
Speaker 1: because my other homie, who's who from the East, he's
Speaker 1: in there too, and uh, he's like he he was
Speaker 1: like the the biggest producer on in Okoma City at
Speaker 1: the time, you know what I'm saying. He produced music,
Speaker 1: He did stuff with Spice one everybody just being out
Speaker 1: here too. But he's in there with what you call
Speaker 1: is so his name is Key Tech and he's he
Speaker 1: like he's trying to work on other things. They got
Speaker 1: a music program working on. So it's a lot we
Speaker 1: can do, bro. But yeah, and I really what I
Speaker 1: love about this is like you and I hope the
Speaker 1: listeners cast this like you are regular as naked ye
Speaker 1: like that just and somehow, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It was just like, hey, I guess I'll just I'll
Speaker 1: just do it. You know. We talked about real actual power,
Speaker 1: like political power, and obviously like politicians pay for that
Speaker 1: you know you you you you you know, hustle and
Speaker 1: make you know. We watched Kevin McCarthy you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, takeift different, you know, different votes for him
Speaker 1: to try to negotiate power. And what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: like when you when you have something that matters, when
Speaker 1: you actually represent the people you're supposed to represent and
Speaker 1: they trust you over years of investment and you just
Speaker 1: being here and I'm like, I'm no different, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not buying y'all's loyalty. I'm saying I'm from
Speaker 1: the same street you are. That's the homie. Let's make
Speaker 1: this happen. And you did. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is real power and and like again, this is why
Speaker 1: you on this show because like that's what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to show, like Young Homies is like you actually you
Speaker 1: have more power than you think. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And you did it, so so let me move you further.
Speaker 1: So there's, um, there's two other things that are going
Speaker 1: on right now, Like Dotson is on the way. Uh
Speaker 1: So then there's like this East Side project, which I like,
Speaker 1: as you was explaining it, like I was when I
Speaker 1: first heard about like crying because going back to like
Speaker 1: you said, like on the Street ship where it's like
Speaker 1: like we like people who live and die by these flags,
Speaker 1: in these neighborhoods filled with buildings they don't own, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying on streets they have no equity
Speaker 1: in we deing over rented apartments like this ain't even
Speaker 1: my you draw lines on the borders. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like I don't own none of this.
Speaker 1: Like niggas got a got gainst and built off the
Speaker 1: names of apartments. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like you don't even own it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like you know, so when you think about that, like
Speaker 1: the hell are we doing? You know what I'm saying? Right, So,
Speaker 1: then so there's the East Side Project and then there's
Speaker 1: you know, the its City Council, commissions, Arts Commission, the
Speaker 1: Arts Commission. So y'all heard you hearing this? You're hearing
Speaker 1: this boy talk like you know, like you hear how
Speaker 1: you talk. There's gonna be pictures online like your regular
Speaker 1: regular tatted dreadlock and shirt. And I talked the same
Speaker 1: way at the arts community with the City Council to
Speaker 1: say with at the Thanksgiving table, you know, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like I don't put this real to
Speaker 1: take it off. It's really so the East Side Project,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell tell me if I got this wrong.
Speaker 1: So that y'allhood right. And there's a series of like
Speaker 1: sort of like strip mall buildings. We wouldn't call that
Speaker 1: strip mall, what we call it cer Okay, So it's
Speaker 1: a bunch of buildings and and um so I know
Speaker 1: about the tower. I've seen it before. Yeah, I've seen
Speaker 1: the tower theater which I performed at which used to
Speaker 1: be like a porn spot. Right, so they got the
Speaker 1: building and the homie, the Homie Dotson who's coming in
Speaker 1: a little later like was part of the mastermind with this,
Speaker 1: which is like anyway, so you so if you so,
Speaker 1: if you're you're local owned business, right, you have the
Speaker 1: access or the ability to place your business there. Right,
Speaker 1: But then there's another step to where there's equity in
Speaker 1: the building. So uh, San Dino can probably said better
Speaker 1: than I can. But for instance, if you signed as
Speaker 1: a ten years long if you if you sign signed
Speaker 1: long term lease, then you get equity. Is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did you hear that song? So you so you you're
Speaker 1: not just written you own it? Yeah, you're owning the block,
Speaker 1: but h and that, you know, and so I think
Speaker 1: part of it, part part of the reason that was
Speaker 1: done is because like there's no secret that all over
Speaker 1: the country somebody pushed the button and gentrification is happening,
Speaker 1: to see what I'm saying. But what what's important is
Speaker 1: is that is that a lot of these places that
Speaker 1: make these spots cool, once it becomes cool, they can't
Speaker 1: afford to be there no more, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And so what what uh San Dino and Dots and
Speaker 1: all these people who are kind of mad to mind
Speaker 1: this project. I just want to make sure that the
Speaker 1: community and the people who started are taking care of
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, whenever the spot, whenever it
Speaker 1: does blow up. Yeah, why everybody, like I always say this,
Speaker 1: like why everybody loves Long Beach, why everybody want to
Speaker 1: be in Brooklyn and why everybody is is because we
Speaker 1: died there. We made it cool. So why do you
Speaker 1: get to you know what I'm saying, Yeah, get the
Speaker 1: spoils of that. And there's a term in in in
Speaker 1: education in in Latin like Chicano studies called hint the
Speaker 1: vacation and hint they just means is like my people
Speaker 1: so it's like dot com dot com. There isn't hint
Speaker 1: dot com. I remember it was kind of like the
Speaker 1: Black Planet. It was there. Yeah, an of course us
Speaker 1: in our latinas. But but yeah, that term is the
Speaker 1: idea of like rather than being gentrified, we're doing it,
Speaker 1: no doubt. So it's hintification, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So like so, and it was weird over here, like
Speaker 1: you know part of town we had East Low Spoil Heights,
Speaker 1: Like Boil Heights is such a historical you know, Kano movement,
Speaker 1: low rider total like it's from here, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But because of that, whenever anything new come around,
Speaker 1: some of the ogs is like what y'are doing here?
Speaker 1: It's like it's almost like it's like Oakland, like you're her.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, homie, you can't have this, Like we
Speaker 1: we fight back, right, But but some of the spots,
Speaker 1: like this little like you know, Miss scal kind of
Speaker 1: like you know, hipster kind of bar kind of opened
Speaker 1: up and all the drinks are like cor chap like Mescal's,
Speaker 1: like it's all like Mexican like Chicano influence. And some
Speaker 1: of the organizers who are really just Cholos, like they
Speaker 1: just kind of rolled up, like nigger, what you're doing here?
Speaker 1: He was like family went to Roosevelt. Like He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm born and raised here. You see this bullet wound full,
Speaker 1: like I'm from these streets, you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 1: so it's like, Dann, we can't we can't have craft beer.
Speaker 1: We can't have good mirror either, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So like so, but but I love what y'all did. That.
Speaker 1: Y'all took it a step further in the sense that
Speaker 1: it's like it's not just the business, it's the equity,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's the ground that we're on.
Speaker 1: And that's because, like I said, it's our blood that
Speaker 1: made this area cool. Yeah, because if you think about
Speaker 1: like an Oklahoma City on the east side, we have
Speaker 1: an air town called Deep Deep Duce and Deep Dudes
Speaker 1: was really like for Oklahoma City. It's like what Black
Speaker 1: Wall Street of Greenwood was to Tulsa, and um, you
Speaker 1: know that's what Ralph Ellison was, you know, Uh, Charlie Christian, Um,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Rushing, like all these people like Duke Ellington would
Speaker 1: come and play there like you know, what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like the Gregs, it was jazz, it was blues, it
Speaker 1: was chilling circuit, it was you know, black doctors, all
Speaker 1: these things, you know what I'm saying. But now there's
Speaker 1: there's not a you know what i mean, Like you
Speaker 1: might have a you know, a name on the on
Speaker 1: the ground, a plaque or something like that, but none
Speaker 1: of the distances are black. None of the people live
Speaker 1: in the in the buildings are black, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And so there's really no trace of us
Speaker 1: even being there. And so I think about two things.
Speaker 1: I think about a like, what we're doing, we're trying
Speaker 1: to make it to where ten years from now because
Speaker 1: Santino's family, my family, all I'm saying, we all came
Speaker 1: from the East. So ten years from now, twenty years
Speaker 1: from now, no matter what it looks like or where
Speaker 1: what I'm saying what it is, you will know that
Speaker 1: we were there, you know what I'm saying. And then
Speaker 1: the second thing is is that we talked, like you said,
Speaker 1: we talked about gentrification. But what was that word you saying? Dentification?
Speaker 1: So blackification. Yeah, So like the idea is it's like
Speaker 1: before Deep Duce was deep Dudes, I'm sure it was
Speaker 1: something else until the blacks came and made it what
Speaker 1: it was. You know what I'm saying, And that's a
Speaker 1: good thing. Somebody asked me, like, well, what if you know,
Speaker 1: so you cool with all these rich black people come
Speaker 1: to the East Side and moving back. I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: if they're black, that's what we're trying to do. It's
Speaker 1: that's different if if there's all And it's important to
Speaker 1: understand the difference, right, and and what that does. What
Speaker 1: that does for a little black kid to come inside
Speaker 1: of business and see a black owner, see somebody black
Speaker 1: running it, it's totally different then what it does to
Speaker 1: a little black kid just be coming into a business
Speaker 1: that in the neighborhood where he grew up in. He
Speaker 1: feels uncomfortable now because you know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it's like it's like I'll talk about this too.
Speaker 1: It's like you're you're you're painting a full picture because
Speaker 1: we have South Central and Baldwin Hills. The last night
Speaker 1: at South Central now it's Central, so it's just they
Speaker 1: called South l A. But none of us, yeah, none
Speaker 1: of us, Yeah, none of us, none of us recognize that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, but like, but but the
Speaker 1: thing is, it's like your your cousin might bang and
Speaker 1: he black, but maybe your but your school principle is
Speaker 1: also black, you know what I'm saying. So you're seeing
Speaker 1: a full gambit that it's we're not just this, we're
Speaker 1: also that, you know what I mean, And and you
Speaker 1: can find yourself in that spectrum, which I think is
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing man, And and and that's like, that's
Speaker 1: so that's the important thing because for black people, especially
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma City, like there's always somebody white you have
Speaker 1: to go through to get anything done, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like I'm sure everything that he does, everything
Speaker 1: I've done, we in order to like to get it signed,
Speaker 1: to get it, you know, anything, you always have to
Speaker 1: go through a layer of white people, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And so we're trying. So it's so it's
Speaker 1: important for us to build that power, that community power
Speaker 1: of people that look like us, and so that we
Speaker 1: can take care of ourselves and then the people who
Speaker 1: come who have come behind us, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: The street music, economics, and now political power all sort
Speaker 1: of grew out of the same j B experience and
Speaker 1: then so what you said before of like I am
Speaker 1: not going to squander what I went through. Now you
Speaker 1: can use it. Yeah, you reminding me, Um, just like
Speaker 1: the political power right. You know, we had a bunch
Speaker 1: of racists that just happened in Oakleman City. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we ah boy, you've been trolling. Oh yeah him he
Speaker 1: uh what's his name? I'm like Ryan Walters, but but
Speaker 1: he's a he's a Yeah, he's definitely trolling and he's
Speaker 1: really trying to appeal to that base of like just
Speaker 1: racist and don't make sense. I'm like, I like like,
Speaker 1: I like, I don't even make sense, like no no
Speaker 1: sense at all. But I knew we had that we
Speaker 1: had the governor's race. Um, but for us, and I
Speaker 1: felt like my community, the most important race was the
Speaker 1: District attorney race, the d A race that and so
Speaker 1: um you know when and I always said, man, I
Speaker 1: don't want to sign my name to no politician because
Speaker 1: you never know like when they get in, like how
Speaker 1: they're gonna switch with the and then and so I
Speaker 1: look like I'm wild because I don't brought all these
Speaker 1: niggas into like this person and they you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, So Um, but this, I knew that
Speaker 1: the d A race was important for Julius Jones, and
Speaker 1: it's important for every homie who I know who got
Speaker 1: a case coming up, or who might get caught up
Speaker 1: in the case eventually. And um. And so what I
Speaker 1: did was we had a candidate. Her name is Vicki Bahenna.
Speaker 1: She was over the Innocence Project. I went and met
Speaker 1: with her. I told her, you know, I said, man,
Speaker 1: we want Julius Jones out. I said, we don't want people.
Speaker 1: We don't want people to be going to prison. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We were trying to change the
Speaker 1: way the criminal justice system looks. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, you know, and she wants the same
Speaker 1: things we wanted. Now she did say, listen, you know,
Speaker 1: you know I don't want to se people to prison either,
Speaker 1: but some people are gonna end up going to prison.
Speaker 1: And I said, I said, okay, as long as we
Speaker 1: say that to the people though, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and we say we don't want nobody to go to prison.
Speaker 1: We say this person is not gonna not gonna be
Speaker 1: whenever they see you come to court, and it ain't
Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh, I didn't seen this person before.
Speaker 1: It's just the drug deal, the just the game member,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I got homies who got cases,
Speaker 1: who never been in choke before the d A walk
Speaker 1: in and be like, oh, yeah, I've seen this case before,
Speaker 1: drug deal going back, you know what I'm saying. Like, so, like,
Speaker 1: we don't don't we want to we want to change that.
Speaker 1: And so what idea was as I got her in
Speaker 1: the ruins with the homies, got in the ruins with cribs,
Speaker 1: got in the rooms of blood, got in the rooms
Speaker 1: on the east Side last week to the people for real,
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Speaker 1: if you don't do nothing else, we gotta get this
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Speaker 1: And the effects of something like that a It shows
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Speaker 1: Their vote actually counts and it matters. And then it
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Speaker 1: and so um. But yeah, you know she just got
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Speaker 1: doing all the things already. So I'm excited, man. But
Speaker 1: I just want to say, like just for the political
Speaker 1: part that you know, it's important that you know, we
Speaker 1: we really try to get behind and work with people
Speaker 1: who affect us the most and directly now now the
Speaker 1: governor and all those other things. Yes, those are that's
Speaker 1: that's still local, local politics. But I understood. I'm in
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