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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People. Did Cool Stuff your

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Speaker 2: weekly reminder that sometimes people try to do things to

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Speaker 2: stop the bad things. I'm your host, Marta Kiljoy, and

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Speaker 2: with me today is a guest who's named Sarah Marshall.

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Speaker 3: Hi Sarah, that's true. Hi Margaret, I'm so happy to

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Speaker 3: be here. Yay, as you do a cool thing.

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Speaker 2: Sarah is the host of You're Wrong about Did you

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Speaker 2: ever go through a period where it was going to

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Speaker 2: end with dot dot dot in the title.

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Speaker 3: I feel like there's like an implied dot dot dot

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Speaker 3: and I've seen it rendered that way. It's like the

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Speaker 3: question mark and who's the boss?

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Speaker 2: Do you think that? Every now and then they accidentally

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Speaker 2: wrote it as who is the boss?

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Speaker 3: Or like who's who se the boss? Like who's the boss?

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Speaker 2: Is this? It's gotta be someone's. Is it yours? CAF?

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Speaker 2: I wonder, I don't. It might have been a different

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Speaker 2: It was one of these things, one of these very

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Speaker 2: very simple the way that english and contractions work. Where

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Speaker 2: I was working on this activist zine during occupy or whatever,

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Speaker 2: and we were like put out a new zine every

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Speaker 2: week with news, and my co editor was like, who

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Speaker 2: wrote this fucking article and looked at me and was

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Speaker 2: like it couldn't have been you. They used like, who's wrong,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, I wrote that one. We have

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Speaker 2: not had much.

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Speaker 3: Sleep really, as we can see, my faculties are deteriorating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is twenty eleven and occupy has destroyed all

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Speaker 2: of our brains. But what hasn't destroyed our brains is

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Speaker 2: our producer. Sophie Hi. Sophie Hi, Sophie Hi.

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Speaker 1: I just wonder Sarah. Question for Sarah. How many times

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Speaker 1: are you having a conversation with somebody and do they

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Speaker 1: go that could be something that people are wrong about

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe you should do as a topic for your show.

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Speaker 1: How often does that happen?

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Speaker 3: You know, I hardly socialize, so not that much, but

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Speaker 3: like probably on average three times a month. And my

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Speaker 3: my favorite is when it's on something that like, if

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Speaker 3: you've listened to the show, it really like has nothing

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Speaker 3: to do with anything we've ever talked about, but.

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Speaker 2: It's but it's a thing to you know what.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure people say this to you both where people

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Speaker 3: are like, I'm sure there are too many podcasts already.

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Speaker 3: I use you know, I'm sure you would you don't

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Speaker 3: think people should start podcasts and I'm like, no, start

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Speaker 3: your own podcasts and then you won't try and get

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Speaker 3: me to do it for you.

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Speaker 2: That yes, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Also, I think you do socialize more than that that

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Speaker 1: you think, because I saw you this week and I'm

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Speaker 1: seeing you again.

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Speaker 2: That's true. Well that's the Sophie exception.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, three times a month, honey.

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Speaker 2: Honey, how many Sophie, how many like hard introverts do

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Speaker 2: you have in your life?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: How many of us are you? Our primary socialization?

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Speaker 1: Well that's because that's because we all find each other. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: fair enough, we all find each other. We're like, do

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Speaker 3: Hear like the center of the wagon wheel?

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Speaker 1: We're like, do you want to do something that's not

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Speaker 1: overstimulating with me? Great, low stakes, let's go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one other over stimulant note. Our audio engineer is Danel.

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Speaker 1: It is Daniel Hi, Danel.

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Speaker 2: I love you, Hi, Danel Hi Danel. Our theme music

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Speaker 2: is written for us by unwoman Sarah. Have you ever

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Speaker 2: ever heard of the environment? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm in Portland, so we heard of the environment

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Speaker 3: two years before everyone else.

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Speaker 2: That actually is oddly the theme of this whoops kind

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Speaker 2: of because the next question I had written in my scripts.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of the Pacific Northwest? I have?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know of it, and it's works. I'm a fan.

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Speaker 2: How about the Earth Liberation Front?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, because I feel like when I was

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Speaker 3: So I honestly can't tell you fair enough. I don't

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Speaker 2: Did where did you grow up? You don't have to

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Speaker 3: and you know, apparently died in the blast like he wanted.

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Speaker 1: It was his choice.

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Speaker 2: M M. Well, that's sort of related to what we're

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Speaker 2: But did we say they were going to yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: They didn't really make the claim that they were getting

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Speaker 1: Am I right that maybe Sarah might know them better

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Speaker 1: by their nickname the Elves.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's like familiar, but in the sense of like

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Speaker 2: There is a non zero chance, this is a very

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Speaker 2: high chance that many of the convicted terrorists were going

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Speaker 2: are going to talk about a bunch of ecoanarchis, punks

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Speaker 2: pretty clearly as heroes, not as like the John Brown

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Speaker 2: not sure. They sparked some very specific things, quite a

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Speaker 2: Yeahs fire, Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 2: They are real flawed heroes. Their actions may or may

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Speaker 2: are more sorry for their crimes when someone is holding

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Speaker 2: some people are willing to go pretty fucking far in

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Speaker 2: order to save the world from boiling, and we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about them. I'm excited, and don't worry. We're

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Speaker 2: going to start with the French Revolution. Why not? Why not?

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Speaker 3: I'm always saying that, honey, can we have the French Revolution.

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Speaker 2: Let's just stop. It's on the way home. We have

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Speaker 2: a French Revolution at home, and then the French Revolution

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Speaker 2: Does so many things start with the French Revolution, But

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Speaker 2: a mathematician who served on the revolutionary committee in his

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Speaker 2: almost got guillotined himself. His name was Jean Baptiste Joseph Free.

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Speaker 2: He is not super important to this story, but I

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Speaker 2: means after helping bring democratic ideals, so the West de

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Speaker 2: this is not the name of art porn to my knowledge.

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Speaker 2: If someone makes it, it's still available. Yeah, he does

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Speaker 2: he was like, hey, everyone, I did an awful lot

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Speaker 2: a nineteenth century scientist, so he gets obsessed with blankets

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Speaker 3: That's what I want to do. For different reasons.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the reason to be careful with cozy core.

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Speaker 2: He tripped on his blanket, fell down the stairs, and died.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh boy, you gotta take the blanket off sometimes.

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Speaker 3: But I appreciate the dedication. Yeah, there is a literal

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Speaker 1: Wait, I knew there was a thing I don't.

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Speaker 2: Like that, which is why we should destroy stairs. No

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Speaker 2: I just like going into the personal lives of these men,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the rare ones that do. And then half

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Speaker 2: she was also politically involved. Global warming has always been

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Speaker 2: a woke conspiracy. In this case, she was American, and

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Speaker 2: and while we're at it, no one should be allowed

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Speaker 2: I'll probably never directly cover the temperance movement on this

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Speaker 2: And so the ELF, the Environmental Life Force, took credit

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Speaker 2: And I will not be talking about how he did that.

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Speaker 2: arrested him in his house in Santa Cruz because they

437
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 2: traced the copy machine that the communicats had been copied on,

438
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 2: and basically, oh yeah, like there's a ways that copy

439
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: machines like and printers actually leave specific like traceable information,

440
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 2: and so they figured out where they were being printed

441
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 2: off at went to the place and was like, hey,

442
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 2: then your employees have a problem with the environment and

443
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 2: how it's been treated, and like his girlfriend worked there.

444
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 2: Ah shit, Yeah. So he told them he'd acted alone,

445
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: and then he says in interviews like as late as

446
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, he's like, look, there's no statute

447
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: of limitations on terrorism, so I'm going to continue to

448
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 2: tell you that I acted alone, which is his like

449
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: wink wink, nudge, nudge. Maybe I didn't act alone. I

450
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: think he worked alone. Again whatever, not a problem, but

451
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 2: he got sentenced to five years in prison. After a

452
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 2: bit he was out on probation. He genuinely sees what

453
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 2: he did as counterproductive. This isn't a like I told

454
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: the judge, Hey, Bud, I'm sorry, wish I hadn't done it.

455
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 2: If I could go only I could take back, take

456
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 2: it back, turn back time that song you know anyway,

457
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: m hmm. And one of the reasons he changed his

458
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: mind is because he talked with one of the activists

459
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 2: who've been sprayed with herbicide up in Oregon, and that

460
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: person told him that after the bombing, the activist lost

461
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 2: all credibility and the campaign fell apart. He became a

462
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 2: strong believer in strict nonviolence. He also, and I think

463
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 2: this strains credulity, he claims that he knew the founder

464
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: of the next incarnation of the ELF over in the UK,

465
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 2: and that he tried to talk the person out of it.

466
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: So let's talk about that next incarnation about fifteen years later.

467
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: Is the main one we're going to discuss this week.

468
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: The actual ELF, the one with more than one person

469
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: in it, may or may not have gotten inspiration from

470
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 2: the environmental life Force, but I can point to two

471
00:25:54,640 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 2: very specific places it absolutely did come from. First First.

472
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 2: You ever heard Earth First?

473
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. That's the group that I remember most

474
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,239
Speaker 3: being active or kind of knowing about tangjanctually in the

475
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 3: mid two thousands when I was growing up.

476
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did Earth First organizing in Portland in the

477
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 2: mid twenty twere you were growing up, Yeah, yep. Earth First,

478
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: which I've whatever. I'm pretty public about that. They're an

479
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 2: above ground organization. I talked about them a bunch. If

480
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: people want to hear me talk more about Earth First.

481
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: I talked about them in my episode about Judy Berry,

482
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: who was an anarchist organizer who was bombed probably by

483
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: the FEDS in the year nineteen ninety. I'm going to

484
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: rudely split Earth First into two parts of its history,

485
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 2: the original and then what it's been for most of

486
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 2: its existence since the first version. The early years of

487
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: Earth First had the unofficial slogan Rednecks for Wilderness. They

488
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 2: were one organization in which its members did both non

489
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 2: violent civil disobedience and also a whole bunch of sabotage.

490
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: They called it monkey wrenching, and this is named after

491
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: a book by Sabbey Problematic Fave. Yeah, probably will do

492
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: an episode about the monkey Wrenchers. At some point, two

493
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: tensions started cropping up within Earth First First. There was

494
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 2: this tension between the quote tofu eating anarchists who were

495
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 2: also mostly actually rural and rednecks, but they were like

496
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 2: more feminist, anti authoritarian, and lessened to the American flag

497
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 2: and some of the some of but not all of

498
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: the founders who are like the American flag is our symbol.

499
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: We are rednecks, just like Edward Abbey. We think it's

500
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 2: cool to throw beer cans out the window while we're

501
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: fighting for the environment, you know whatever. I have very

502
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 2: low opinions of Edward Abbey. Someone I feel very bad.

503
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 2: One of my friends like, you were gonna do an

504
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: episode at Edward Abbey, and I'm like, I am not.

505
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 2: He was a xenophobe who believed in close borders and

506
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: very nim be whatever.

507
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 3: Anyway, Yeah, the libertarian river that runs through all this

508
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: is you know, there are many rapids.

509
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, totally. So in the end, the Tofu Eating

510
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: Anarchists one and the American flag Waivers left. This is

511
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: many of the founders made this transition to this new

512
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: version of the group or were always the Tofu Eating anarchists.

513
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: And when I've talked with people who are from that period,

514
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: they say that there's these divisions are like kind of

515
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: overblown and like really like one of the main histories

516
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: of Earth First was written a while ago, and as

517
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: written by a journalist who very very much was on

518
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: the side of one of the original like redneck for

519
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: wilderness guys and so like, it colors a lot of

520
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: the Median narrative where people are looking for a split

521
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: that wasn't whatever anyway, there's less bad blood than people say.

522
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: But there's another tension that could not last in an organization,

523
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: the tension of having an above ground organization like Earth First.

524
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: They don't have a membership roster and is decentralized, but

525
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: they have meetings and they have gatherings, and they like

526
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: do things in public, and they chained themselves to things

527
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: and shit. Right, if you're doing that, you can't be

528
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: the same group that burns things at night. So you

529
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: have this tension between above ground illegalism like tree sitting

530
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: in roadblockades and underground illegalism like tree spiking and arson

531
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: and you know, destroying bulldozers and stuff. The new earth

532
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: First didn't condemn the underground stuff. They just didn't do it.

533
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: It was separate. Lots of imprisoned Arsenists came out of

534
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: Earth First ranks, and Earth First and related organizations ran

535
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: and run legal support campaigns for these prisoners, but it

536
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: was distinct from Earth First itself. And this isn't like

537
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: wink wink nudge nudge handwavings. It's true. I was involved

538
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: in Earth First fair amount, and I never knew whenever

539
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: people would get caught for felony stuff, I'd be like

540
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: Holy shit, really, you know, mm hmm, because it was

541
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: separate Earth versus still around. Its slogan is no compromise

542
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: in defense of the Earth. I like them that has

543
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: probably come across. And then there's one another origin point

544
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: where the Earth Libration Front gets its name, which is

545
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: not I don't know why, I'm like picking a fight

546
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: with this old guy who's probably whatever. They didn't get

547
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: their name from the Whatever, the old one. They got

548
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: it from the Animal Liberation Front. Mm. Ever, the Animal Liberation.

549
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: Front, yes, but weirdly only through a TC Boile story,

550
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 3: which is an embarrassing way to learn about the world

551
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 3: because it's about I feel like so many of his stories,

552
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 3: we're just like I met a hot woman who was

553
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,719
Speaker 3: doing something strange and it's about like dating an alf activist.

554
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: Cool. Wait, if you think of the story, will you

555
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: let me know what it is? I really like tracing

556
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: representation of this type of group in fiction.

557
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: It's a short story called Carnal Knowledge.

558
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, that perfect sounds dirty old man, but you know, yeah,

559
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: oh yeah, carnal Knowledge. It does. It does.

560
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 3: Also the name of the movie where Jack Nicholson played

561
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: a college student when he was like thirty nine years old.

562
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 3: But that's a separate.

563
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: Issue of God. Yeah, so the Animal Liberation Front. My

564
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: disclaimer here, I have been vegan for long enough that

565
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: my veganism is old enough to drink at bars. I

566
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: am overall supportive of the Animal Liberation Front and a

567
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: lot of it's things, but my support is not without

568
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: caveats in this and specifically, I have a lot of

569
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: issues with the way that vegan activism is done. I

570
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: don't believe eating animals is inherently morally wrong, and I

571
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: don't have an issue with people who hunt for food,

572
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: and I support indigenous fishing and hunting rights in particular.

573
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of animal rights activism is

574
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: too black and white, and I have issues with a

575
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: lot of it. That said, when people rescue animals and

576
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: give them new homes and care for them, I am happy.

577
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: At the core of it. That is what the Animal

578
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: Liberation Front does. At the core of it is, you know,

579
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: they go into places where they believe animals are being mistreated,

580
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: and they take those animals out and they find them sanctuary.

581
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: I will probably not do an alf episode. Maybe one day,

582
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm going to speed run them really

583
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: quick in the nineteenth century in England. Eh, speed run,

584
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: I'm going back to ninth century. You had all of

585
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: these teach kids to be nice to animals, organizations called

586
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: Bands of Mercy, which is a cool name. They stuck

587
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: around for a while and then they petered out. Then

588
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty three of the Hunt Saboteurs Association that

589
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: in England they would go around and like fuck up

590
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: staghound hunting events, which is not where people hunt staghounds,

591
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: is when they use staghounds to hunt stags. I have

592
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: no idea that that was the thing people did. It

593
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: does seem like less cartoonishly scary and British than fox hunting.

594
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, wow, yeah, it was like, you know, you're

595
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 2: always rooting for whatever king to get gord. When this happens,

596
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: it happened so rarely, so volunteers would start showing up

597
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: in the sixties and blow hunting horns and put down

598
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: false sents and shit to disrupt the hunts. Some of

599
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: the hunt Saboteurs took up the name Band of Mercy

600
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: and started slashing hunters tires and breaking windows and again

601
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: whatever we're not talking about like the deer hunter in Kentucky,

602
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 2: we are talking about a class based thing. In England.

603
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy three, they burned down a pharmaceutical research

604
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: laboratory the Band of Mercy. In nineteen seventy four they

605
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: burned down some boats that were seal hunting. Then they

606
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: liberated six guinea pigs, the first direct animal liberation of

607
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 2: the movement. Wow. And then something that happened that I

608
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: think is really important, which gets at the core of

609
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 2: the strategic complexity of this kind of action, happened. The

610
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: hunt saboteurs were like, hey, these guys, ain't us about

611
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 2: Band of Mercy. We blow horns and stuff. We don't

612
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: slash tires. That's a step too far, don't I mean whatever.

613
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: They went from slashing tires to burning things down, But

614
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: they also offered a reward to anyone who rated out

615
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: the Band of Mercy, which is a classic. We agree

616
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 2: with your morals, but not your tactics. Combined with the

617
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: classic and we'll sell you out to the system we

618
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: claim to hate in order to curry favor from that system.

619
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy six, some arrested Band of Mercy folks

620
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: got out of prison and changed the name to the

621
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: Animal Liberation Front. Which is certainly more hardcore. But Band

622
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: of Mercy is a pretty good name, just saying it's

623
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 2: fucking fantastic.

624
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 3: And with the animal liberation front, I really am stuck

625
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 3: on the fact that they only needed two more words

626
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 3: and then they could have been Alfie.

627
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 2: But now they're an alien that eats cats. Yeah that's

628
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: good too. Wait alf must have come after this Alf's eighties, right, right,

629
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: So it was alf named after that, I certainly hope.

630
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm just gonna say yes, absolutely, it's head cannon. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

631
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: it's a complicated show, you know. Yeah, guy watched it

632
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: as a kid and have not thought about it since.

633
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: But I had an alf skateboard when I was in

634
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 2: middle school. Nice and it was a he was skateboarding

635
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: on the skateboard. Oh so asive skateboard. Yeah, I always

636
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: liked it.

637
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 3: When I'll say, you would have, as a kid, like

638
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: a Spider Man costume and then there would be a

639
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 3: graphic of Spider Man on the chest, And as a kid,

640
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 3: I was like, this completely takes me out of it.

641
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 3: What kind of a superhero would wear a smaller image

642
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: of themselves on their own.

643
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: Clothes and yet here you are wearing a sweater with

644
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: your face on it?

645
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: Does that sweater have your face on it?

646
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: No, but it has a whale with a neutral expression.

647
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 3: This for the White Whale bookstore in Pittsburgh, and their

648
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 3: mascot is a little whale who's just happy to be here.

649
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: I like to think. For the record, I did not

650
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: know what was on the shirt before I said the

651
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: joke that I made.

652
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: But I mean, like I on my best days, I

653
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 3: feel like I'm just a whale, just you know, swimming

654
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 3: around sifting out tons of krill with my Baileen.

655
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: Well, now I feel bad because actually one of the

656
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: actions that didn't get claimed by the ALF, but was

657
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: a very ALF, the action in the first one that

658
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: happened in the US, I think, was a group of

659
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 2: people who freed some whales in all kind of way. Yeah.

660
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 3: Well, the nineties in the Northwest were also a big

661
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 3: time for whales. What with h Yeah, Cako, I.

662
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: Would say, in a way, Sarah, do you not blow

663
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: us all out of the water.

664
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 2: Honey, honey. So the ALF, when they form, they laid

665
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: out a structure that went on to define what the

666
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: sort of leaderless resistance looks like. There's no central registry,

667
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 2: there's no leadership. Anyone who adheres the basic guidelines can

668
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: call themselves ALF. One of those central tenets is you

669
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 2: have to adhere to that all precautions must be in

670
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 2: place to protect human and non human animal life. Above

671
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: Ground groups started to form to support underground activists, like

672
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: they had a press office and magazines and websites and

673
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 2: legal support funds and all that shit. And they set

674
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: about gluing locks, freeing animals, burning shit, slashing tires, spray painting,

675
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 2: running targeted and focused activist campaigns to shut down vivisectors.

676
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: And within a few years ago at the US and

677
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: so the ALF came out of the ALF, and it

678
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: came out of Earth first, and I got one more

679
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: foundation to describe that is as much of a bed

680
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 2: rock as these ads are, the bedrock of being able

681
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 2: to pay people a living wage to read history books

682
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: about arsonists. Here's ads, and we're back. And we spent

683
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: our ad time talking about the hot blacksmith in the

684
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: classic film A Night's Tale.

685
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: We've used our time really well.

686
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: I think when we look back on the heyday of

687
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: the Earth Liberation Front, it's easy to see it in

688
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: the context of global warming, and they and the you know,

689
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 2: that's how I started the episode. I clearly am framing

690
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: it that way, and the participants did see it as

691
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: related to global warming, but at the time time people

692
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: were something talking about something more localized, the destruction of

693
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: old growth forests and intact ecosystems. Before I moved out

694
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: west and fell in with the forest defenders, I'd never

695
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: really seen a clearcut. You live out west, I'm you know,

696
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: you've gone out and seen the clearcuts all around. Yeah. Yeah,

697
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: they look like shaved patches on the mountains. You know,

698
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: they look like a bad punk haircut. Less than four

699
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 2: percent of the original forest the United States is left everywhere.

700
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: Colonizers have gone. They have left this like absolute nightmare

701
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 2: and it's wake. I grew up on the East Coast.

702
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: I imagine that logging was done sustainably because that's what

703
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: I was told. I was told two trees are planted

704
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: for every tree cut down. And actually on one of

705
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: the documentaries that I watch were on this, I think

706
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 2: is if a tree falls. I think that was the one.

707
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: As a timber executive who's like six trees are planted

708
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: for every tree we cut down.

709
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: We all used to get that commercial.

710
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't even how would you imagine that that

711
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 2: would work? Then there'd be too many trees in the area, Like, yeah,

712
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: they're like carrots. Yeah, I mean that's what they do,

713
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: is that they replant monocultures and.

714
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: Then everyone would have the same lovely infrastructure we have

715
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: in Portland.

716
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: Yeah by that, do you mean none? Sophie.

717
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: It's great because because now you know what's nice about

718
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 3: Portland is it despite the fact that we're decimating the

719
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: forest all around us, there's still enough old trees to

720
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: crush people's houses all the time.

721
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is pretty impressive. Yeah, it's something. It's nice

722
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: that global warming can use the few remaining trees to

723
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: crush people's houses in killing people. Yeah, actually did anything?

724
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: Was that one? The phone on the cop car?

725
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a good one.

726
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: That When I was a kid, I imagine that loggers

727
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: went into forest and cut like wine tree out of

728
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: fifty so that the forest stayed intact. That they were like, oh,

729
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: we want there to be a forest.

730
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. Yeah.

731
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: They go timber and they look really hot while they

732
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 3: do it.

733
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 2: They do, and they have those heels on the boots.

734
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 3: They sleep all day, they work all night. They hang

735
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: around in bars.

736
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so then they just actually clearcut acre after acre,

737
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: and sometimes they say we're not clear cutting, it's selective cuts.

738
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: After they would ban clear cutting in certain areas. And

739
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 2: if you go out to these selective cuts, it is

740
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: exactly the same as going out to a clear cut,

741
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: only there's two trees per acre or something like that,

742
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: and those trees, if you spend enough time out in

743
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: the woods, those trees blow over because those trees grew

744
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: up in a forest with trees around to block the wind.

745
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: So speaking of trees falling in people's houses, the National

746
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: Forest Service is not in the business of protecting forests.

747
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: That is not its job. I'm not even trying to

748
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: slander it here. It is in the Department of Agriculture.

749
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: It is the National Forest Service with because of the

750
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 2: timber sell program, is largely a big tree farm sold

751
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: off to various timber companies, often at a loss to

752
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: the taxpayers, because you can actually get a lot more

753
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 2: money out of in tech forests through recreation and things

754
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: like that, and very little of our timber needs come

755
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: from the nation whatever. Anyway, It's like I was in

756
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 2: earth first for a while. Has it come across so

757
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: the wilam At National Forest is one of the most

758
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 2: beautiful places in the world. In nineteen ninety one, some arsonists,

759
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: not the good kind, started a nine thousand acre forest

760
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: fire in the cord Patch Roadless area in the forest,

761
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: which was a habitat reserve for the northern spotted owl. Basically,

762
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: there was this culture war thing happening in the early

763
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: late eighties early nineties about the spotted owl, where people

764
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: were like, we want to cut down everything, and people

765
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 2: were like, we'd rather didn't, and they were like, give

766
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: us a good reason, and we were like, spotted owl

767
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: nest there, and then the courts were like okay, and

768
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,479
Speaker 2: then the culture war was like, well then we hate

769
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: the spot owl. Fuck the spotted owl.

770
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 3: It's what I like, vaguely remember that from like my

771
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 3: earliest flickerings of consciousness. So like, conservatives loved to make

772
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 3: weird jokes about the spotted owl, and I was like,

773
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 3: I don't get it. Yeah, they've never changed. So as

774
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 3: soon as this place, this in the Cornpatch Roadless area

775
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: was declared a spotted owl sanctuary, someone burned it.

776
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 5: M h.

777
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: The Forest Service was like, sweet, the trees burned, we

778
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: can sell them now in what's called a salvage timber sale,

779
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: which is based on this entirely incorrect assumption that a

780
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 2: burned forest is not a healthy forest, and uh can

781
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: it's good to then take all the biomass out of it.

782
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 3: That's very depressing. But I also want to make my

783
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: joke that they had a fire sail.

784
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: They did have a fire sale. Sorry, it's okay. I

785
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 2: would bet a decent sum of money that the fire

786
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: was started for the purpose of turning in savage sale.

787
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: Light it and log it was the slogan attributed to

788
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: the timber companies. One of the things that happens a

789
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 2: lot in logging is that the fines for like, for example,

790
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: one timber sale that I worked on, when they accidentally

791
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: quote unquote cut an old growth tree outside of the

792
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: area that they're supposed to cut, they would get fined

793
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 2: a couple thousand dollars on a tree that they sold

794
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: for tens of thousands of dollars. Yeah, so God, there's

795
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: no and there's no criminal punishment, right, so they just

796
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: do it.

797
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: Well, it's like when you see those signs that are

798
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 3: like fine for striking and killing a highway worker seventy

799
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 3: five hundred dollars and there have to be people who

800
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 3: see that and are like, all.

801
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, totally. So the arsonists who started that nine

802
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: thousand acre fire was never caught. I am not sure

803
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: the fire was ever really investigated seriously. Later in this

804
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 2: story you're going to see like a teenager go to

805
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 2: prison for eight years for doing five thousand dollars worth

806
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 2: of damage to a McDonald's. Three hundred FBI agents working

807
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: on a case to bring down one cell of the

808
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: Earth Liberation Front. I'm sure they had nothing better to do,

809
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: but nine thousand acres of public land, all growth forests,

810
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: totally I replate. Now, who cares whatever? So this timber sale,

811
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: the salvage timber sale is set off huge protests. There

812
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 2: was a five year campaign from ninety one to ninety five,

813
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: which isn't five years, it's four years. But whatever. A

814
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: burn forest is still a valuable ecosystem, and in the

815
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 2: West in particular, forests are often fire ecologies designed to

816
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: survive and often thrive from burns. You know, I worked

817
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: one salvage timber sale that we were trying to stop

818
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: where the pine cones don't open unless there's a fire.

819
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 2: You know, the new seeds like literally can't be planted

820
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: until the fire goes through. That said, the kinds of

821
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: fires that these are a different, different deal. But if

822
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: you don't clear cut a burned forest and remove all

823
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: the biomass and all the habitat, these forests can recover.

824
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: An activists knew that, and they started leading hikes through

825
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 2: the burn area to talk about fire ecology. In early

826
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five, they won in court saying that it

827
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 2: shouldn't be logged. But then a Republican Congress passed the

828
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: Salvage Logging Rider in nineteen ninety five, and this basically

829
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: like it literally had to go through Congress to say no,

830
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: we just want to cut everything we can in this

831
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: one particular area. Basically, basically this rider to a different

832
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: bill said for the next year, any burn forest can

833
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: be cut without any environmental review because but normally if

834
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: you want to cut public lands, you have to at

835
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: least go through environmental review process, which is where activists

836
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 2: the glamorous stuff is the tree sitting in the road blockades,

837
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: but the thing that actually saves the forest or the

838
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,959
Speaker 2: lawyers fighting that while the blockaders prevent it from being cut,

839
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: while the court is figuring it out. Whatever. The reason

840
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: this was a rider this bill was because it was

841
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: attached to a different bill. In this case, these fucking

842
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: ghouls attached it to a bill giving money to Oklahoma

843
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: City bombing victims. Oh my god.

844
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 3: See, every time we're nostalgic for the nineties, it's.

845
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, nothing changes.

846
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, the fashions just you know, waiver slightly, but that's

847
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 3: about it.

848
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're back. We're back to it again already, right, Yeah,

849
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: Actually I think we've already moved on eight.

850
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, god knows. I think we're doing two thousand and

851
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 3: three now.

852
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 2: Which is if I dress like two thousand and three,

853
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: no one would come near me.

854
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: I got to get a newsboy cap if we're going

855
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 3: to do my personal two thousand and three, which Sophie

856
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 3: is already gravitating towards, so we can Sophie, we're going

857
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 3: to be Newsy's this year.

858
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 2: Okay, that is a good style. I am all about the.

859
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 3: Nobody was saying it twenty years ago, but maybe it's

860
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: finally time.

861
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: No, we should I was. I was saying to my

862
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: sister in law the other day. I was like, I

863
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: feel no emotional attachment to my wardrobe, and like it

864
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like me anymore. So maybe it's because it's

865
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: not Newsy's enough.

866
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: Maybe you're Newsy's era.

867
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I I identify so deeply with the episode

868
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 3: of Seinfeld where Curie and a later at a funeral

869
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 3: and Elaine's like, I hate all my clothes. Yeah, it's

870
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 3: like sometimes when you're at a funeral, that's the saddest

871
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: thing you can think about.

872
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

873
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 3: Anyway, all right, we're all going to get newsboy caps.

874
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then go out and do reacted. Yeah, so

875
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 2: we reacted. The timber companies are like, let's fucking go.

876
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: Who cares we kill the planet. We'll be able to

877
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 2: buy new trucks. And this massive protest movement, it doesn't

878
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 2: go away just because Congress told them that the law

879
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: wasn't going to work with them anymore. It moved to

880
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 2: a more sort of desperate direct action movement. Over six

881
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 2: hundred people got arrested defending various forests in the area

882
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: that summer, just massive protests were everywhere. One of the

883
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: main groups involved was a new group called Cascadia Forest Defenders.

884
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: And it's not Earth First, but it's not not Earth first.

885
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: The direct action environmental movement is like that where you'll

886
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: just you know, Portland had the Cascadia Forest Alliance, Eugene

887
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: had the Cascady and Forest Defenders whatever. And because of

888
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 2: all of this, the Forest Service only managed to sell

889
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: a fifth of the billion board feet of timber that

890
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: they'd hoped out of the salvage Rider because lawsuits and

891
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 2: activists kept tangling everything up. And there was this particular

892
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 2: fourteen acres sail Warner Creek and it's suddenly opened for logging.

893
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 2: So a couple activists grab their toothbrushes and sleeping bags

894
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: and run up the hill and they just stay there.

895
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 2: And then they keep staying there for almost a year,

896
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 2: three hundred and forty three days on all through the winter,

897
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 2: under eight feet of snow, and along the way, hundreds

898
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: of people total, five hundred to one thousand people come

899
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 2: to this encampment. They rip up the road with pick axes,

900
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 2: which is, they build fifteen foot deep, ten foot wide

901
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: trenches in the road. They built a palisade wall like

902
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 2: an Wild West town with a drawbridge and an observation tower,

903
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 2: and they buried anchor points in the road to lock

904
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: themselves too. These are called sleeping dragons, you know, because

905
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 2: you can. You just grab a chain with a carabiner

906
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: around your wrist and then you like run to a

907
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: hidden point in the road, stick your arm into it

908
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: and you can clip into this point and then they

909
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:47,280
Speaker 2: can't take you out. They called it the Cascadia Free State,

910
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 2: and they made a documentary about it called pick Axe.

911
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 2: That's worth watching. It was made by the participants and

912
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 2: it's all nineties camp quarter. It's kind of wild. It

913
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: looked like shit what I saw it, And then now

914
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 2: it probably looks cool and old and people do it

915
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 2: on purpose. Yeah, that's an artifact. Yeah. Two activists went

916
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 2: to the federal building in Eugene and went on a

917
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 2: hunger strike, all to protect this fourteen acre timber sale,

918
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,240
Speaker 2: or rather to make a bigger point and draw attention

919
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:20,720
Speaker 2: and build a community around this movement. The following summer,

920
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 2: on August sixteenth, the Forest Service came in with heavy

921
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 2: equipment and arrested seven people and tore the whole thing down.

922
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: One of the kind of wild things about these encampments

923
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: is that they rely on like all this could anything

924
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: you can do with a pickaxe over the course of

925
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: months or a year can be destroyed in a few

926
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 2: hours with heavy equipment, you know. But the timber sale

927
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 2: was canceled, as were a ton of other salvage sales

928
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 2: because everyone in the area, from the hippies to the

929
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 2: little old ladies, were fucking mad about it. People kept

930
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 2: like storming offices. When some folks were arrested, their arrayment

931
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 2: was held in secret, and so the activists outside were like, nah,

932
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: it's not going to happen. Protesters forced their way into

933
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: the jail and rioted in Eugene. This particular movement based

934
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 2: in Eugene, Oregon is going to have a worldwide impact.

935
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: It basically brings hippie anti capitalism into the modern era.

936
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 2: It rebirths the US direct Action, anarchist movement, which later

937
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: goes on to influence a ton of stuff through the

938
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 2: anti globalization movement and up through occupy and onward.

939
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 3: Well, well a lot has come out of Eugene.

940
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and protesters spent a lot of time in these

941
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 2: makeshift shelters in the snow, holding off the federal government,

942
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: and they got to talking. You know. There's like only

943
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 2: a couple of them that stick around all winter, and

944
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: they're like, Hey, what is necessary and what is ethical

945
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: and what is strategic? How do we stop not just

946
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 2: this timber sale, but the death machine of global capitalism.

947
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 2: So a ton of people from this group formed the

948
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 2: most prolific so of the Earth Libration Front, and they

949
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: met each other there and they grew close on a

950
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: road in the middle of nowhere, buried under snow. Meanwhile,

951
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: after a decade of ecotage, Earth First formally splits from

952
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: the underground action. This is now we're we're playing fast

953
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 2: and loose with time here. Now we're back to nineteen

954
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: ninety two in Brighton, England, where a lot of punk

955
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 2: stuff comes from. And they were like, all right, if

956
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: you're doing above ground shit, you're Earth First. If you're

957
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 2: doing ecotage, which is their like cool word for sabotage

958
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 2: in the name of the Earth, then you're the Earth

959
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 2: Liberation Front and good luck to you. But you're not us.

960
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 2: The Animal Libration Front had gotten its legs in England,

961
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: so it makes sense enough that the E Left died two.

962
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: In April nineteen ninety two, the Earth Libration Front made

963
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: its first attack, or at least the first one with

964
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: a communicae. They attacked a peat company called Fizzins that

965
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 2: was destroying peat bogs, which are a non renewable resource,

966
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 2: something that is only just now coming to mainstream like attention.

967
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 2: Like you know, people used to always like use peat, muscle,

968
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 2: lot and gardening, right, and people are moving to alternatives

969
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: because they're like, oh, Pete Moss doesn't come back. I

970
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 2: had no idea, Yeah, Pete Moss doesn't come back. Don't

971
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 2: use it. Coconut something the thing no one can sayar

972
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: qar koar. It's like Creed Brett and trying to remember

973
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 2: his job title quabbity quall. Yeah, I have no idea

974
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: what word you're trying to say?

975
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 5: Cook?

976
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 4: Is it?

977
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: Like is the coconut right? Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, Yeah,

978
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 2: I've probably never said it aloud. I've just like, I know,

979
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I've been free to gardening articles. Yeah. And

980
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 2: I think this is actually an example of the kind

981
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: of thing that the Earth Liberation Front is doing, is

982
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 2: being about thirty years ahead of its time and confronting

983
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 2: issues that at the time were like what who cares?

984
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 2: And now people are like, oh, we care, because we're

985
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 2: all about to boil h This magazine called Green Anarchist,

986
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 2: not to be confused with the US magazine Green Anarchy,

987
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 2: put out this first communicate, all our peat bogs must

988
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 2: be preserved in their entirety for the sake of the plants,

989
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 2: the animals in our national heritage. Cynically donating small amounts

990
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 2: will do no good. The water table will drop and

991
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 2: the bogs will dry out and die unless it is

992
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: preserved fully. And so the ELF spreads across Europe and

993
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 2: the rest of the world. Most of the narratives around

994
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: the Earth Libration Front collapse the whole movement down to

995
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 2: a few people, especially this cell that we're going to

996
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 2: talk about called which gets called the family, which is sketchy.

997
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 2: If you're ever naming your own group, don't name it

998
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 2: the family. Yeah, And we're going to collapse the narrative

999
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 2: down to them a little bit too, for three reasons.

1000
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 2: One it is narratively convenient. Two we know the most

1001
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 2: about it. And three well, because not everyone involved in

1002
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 2: all these actions has been caught, and there's no statute

1003
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 2: of limitations on terrorism charges, so I really to dig

1004
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 2: into some of these things, you know. But fittingly enough,

1005
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 2: the first recorded ELF action in the US was on

1006
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 2: Columbus Day, and it was some graffiti about colonization five

1007
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 2: hundred and four years of Genocide was spray painted in

1008
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 2: one place, elf was spray painted another place in Eugene, Oregon,

1009
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: naturally perfect. And then, because they hadn't really nailed their

1010
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 2: security culture yet, for a few days later, all along

1011
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 2: the I five corridor, just in a single direction, gas

1012
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 2: stations and McDonald's had their glues locked with five hundred

1013
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 2: and four years of genocide and Earth Liberation Front and

1014
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 2: fuck corporations and all that jazz. Then a week or

1015
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 2: so later, the first fire that they're famous four happened

1016
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 2: was nineteen ninety six. It's in the forest outside Detroit, Oregon,

1017
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 2: the other Detroit as it's often, Yeah, this one has

1018
00:56:59,080 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 2: a lake.

1019
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1020
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: It's like people were like, which Portland, And you're like,

1021
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 2: unless you live in Maine, no one's going to ask

1022
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 2: which Portland? You mean, truly, come on, you guys, like,

1023
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 2: but it's a capital, and you're like, yeah. Anyway, in

1024
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: the forest outside Detroit, Oregon, a US Forest Service pickup

1025
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 2: truck was burned down and incendiary device was found on

1026
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: the roof of the ranger station, but it never ignited,

1027
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,959
Speaker 2: and just like that, the US Earth Liberation Front kicked off.

1028
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: As for how that went, we'll talk about it on

1029
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 2: Wednesday and just like that, honey, Hi, you know like

1030
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 2: my Cliffhanger. No, it's an you didn't get it. There's

1031
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 2: the Sex of the City remake is called it's called it.

1032
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: Just like that.

1033
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 2: I get really excited when I do know pop culture reverence.

1034
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: You did not need to know this pop culture reference,

1035
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: but when you said it, it was meant to be.

1036
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 3: My first thought hearing all this is that these are

1037
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 3: movements that, because they felt fully by the time I

1038
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 3: was a teenager, I just assumed had been around kind

1039
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 3: of forever. And oh yeah, huh. To me, one of

1040
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 3: the most interesting parts of this is being like, no,

1041
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 3: this the beginning of this large scale movement. We can

1042
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 3: trace it to an exact point in time and space.

1043
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hadn't thought about that before. I think I

1044
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 2: also kind of had this like sense of like, oh,

1045
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 2: this is just this thing, it's just in the air,

1046
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: and then like it kind of goes away too. Writ

1047
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: it's this like grand leaderless movement that's been around forever,

1048
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 2: and it's like it kind of did a thing for

1049
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: about ten years. Yeah.

1050
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 3: Well, and on a more pop cultural level, it's so

1051
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 3: funny to trace the eras of things that we could

1052
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 3: focus on as a society like the nineties were the

1053
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 3: era of save the Whales. To the extent that I

1054
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 3: feel like there's I mean, this is a weird way

1055
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 3: to track cultural relevancy, but it's what comes to mind.

1056
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 3: I think there's a compilation of Dill cartoons called Shave

1057
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 3: the Whales. You can see how well known that phrase was.

1058
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 3: I read a lot of comic book compilations as a kid.

1059
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 3: I was not a great reader or just like not

1060
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 3: even real comic books, but because you know, newspaper funny pages.

1061
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 3: But I also I remembered because Earth First has such

1062
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 3: a ring to me in my high school brain. I

1063
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 3: wrote for an open mic night senior year of high

1064
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 3: school a song parody of phil Oakes's love Me I'm

1065
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 3: a Liberal that I called it, love me I'm a

1066
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 3: Portlander and first reference.

1067
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 2: Love me, I'm a what. I didn't know what you said,

1068
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 2: Love me, I'm a Liberal.

1069
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm a Portlander.

1070
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: Love me, I'm a Portlander. You don't even have to

1071
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 2: change anything I know.

1072
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 3: Well, I guess updated it for more for modern times,

1073
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 3: although I didn't do a great job. But yeah, and

1074
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 3: for people who don't know, love me I'm a Liberal.

1075
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 5: Is.

1076
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 3: I think it's a wonderful, like biting satire song. Phil

1077
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 3: Oaks was a folk singer who I think said that

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01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 3: he sang all the news that was fit to sing

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01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 3: or something like that, and had a brief and tragic

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01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 3: life and was very attractive, as folks singers all are

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01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 3: in one way or another. And love me I'm a

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01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 3: liberal is like this very catchy, jaunty folks song about

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01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,479
Speaker 3: having radical values at one time and then selling out

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01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 3: and feeling pretty happy with that. And the sort of

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01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 3: punch line of the song is, and that's why I'm

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01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 3: turning you in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that that's a perfect song for this moment, And

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01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 2: yeah that was what was in the air. And you're

1089
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 2: because you were in high school or in a lot

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01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 2: of what we're going to be talking about. I think

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01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 2: maybe I don't actually know.

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01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and I wonder about, you know, just looking ahead,

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01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 3: how much what we're talking about feels present in the

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01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 3: current moment where we're having this. It feels like unending

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01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 3: mainstream cultural debate between should we fuc shit up? Or

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01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 3: should we buy pasta and glass jars? And I say,

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01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 3: why not?

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01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 2: Both?

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Speaker 1: I knew that, I literally knew that was what you

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01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: were going to say.

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01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 5: I was like that.

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01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: I was like, hmm, I will not choose.

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01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 2: I know, I will not choose. My two big things

1104
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 2: I'm always saying is decant everything. Put all your hand

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01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 2: soap into a prettier bottle and all your pasta into

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01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 2: the glass jars, and funck shit up. That's the two.

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Speaker 1: I am okay with living by both of those, Sarah.

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01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that's how we have to do it.

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01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 3: And also, you got a carbo load. If you're gonna

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01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 3: fuc shit.

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01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 2: Up, the revolution can be interior design.

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Speaker 1: That was really funny, magpie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that was beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Put that on a fucking bumper sticker, please perfect.

1115
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 2: No, but I like a live laugh love like cross

1116
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 2: stitch that's framed exactly.

1117
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: A throw a pillow so bad at home goods. We

1118
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: don't need any other pillows that say grateful.

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01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 2: We need pillows that say pissed off. Yeah, but if

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01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 2: people want to be grateful for hearing more of you

1121
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 2: on podcasts, where can they find you? Oh? That was

1122
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 2: so beautiful? Thanks?

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Speaker 3: I have two podcasts, can you believe it? In this

1124
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 3: dainting everyone has a podcast, so I had to have

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01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 3: two to feel special. So I do a podcast called

1126
01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 3: You Wrong About where we talk about misremembered history. I

1127
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 3: really have got to have both of you on at

1128
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 3: some point in the future. And recently we've talked about

1129
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 3: everything from The Exorcist to Billy Jean King, So there's

1130
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 3: something for everyone, and it's not all about the seventies,

1131
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 3: despite what those two examples made it sound like. And

1132
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 3: then I Do You Are Good, which I co host

1133
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 3: with Alex Deed and which is a feelings podcast about movies,

1134
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 3: and we recently did an episode that's our our live

1135
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 3: show where we talk about Forrest Gump with Chelsea Weber

1136
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 3: Smith at SF sketch Fest and we had such a

1137
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 3: great time. And there's nothing like crying a little bit

1138
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 3: in front of people who paid to come watch you

1139
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 3: cry a little bit.

1140
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, with the microphone and zoom, you can pretend like

1141
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 2: there's not an audience.

1142
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, you're like, I'm just having a moment with

1143
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 3: the shampoo bottle I've been holding since I was five.

1144
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, Well, if people want to see more of

1145
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 2: what I do, they can look at pictures of my

1146
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 2: dog on Instagram at Margaret Kiljoy and they can follow

1147
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 2: me on substack at Margaret Kiljoy and my most recent

1148
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 2: book is a tabletop role playing game called p Number City.

1149
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 2: So if you want to fuck shit up safely with

1150
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 2: your friends, you can do that. Okay, wait that how

1151
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to try and tie it together. When I

1152
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 2: was organizing Earth First in Portland in the mid odds,

1153
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 2: I was running a Dungeons and Dragons game, and wow,

1154
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 2: I don't know the legality what I'm about to say.

1155
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 2: I would give in game rewards to when my players

1156
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 2: would get arrested at Earth First events. No one was

1157
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 2: like planning. Well, actually, earth First often plans to get

1158
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 2: people arrested. But you know, one of my players, you know,

1159
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 2: spent a night in jail and was interrogated by the

1160
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 2: FBI or whatever because it was green scare times and

1161
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 2: literally they had just hung a banner in a tree

1162
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 2: and got tackled and her for this is a complete tangent. Sophie.

1163
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 2: You got anything you want to plug?

1164
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,640
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1165
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: Better Offline. It is all about how big tech in

1166
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: Silicon Valley is uh infiltrating our minds in our daily lives.

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Speaker 1: So check that out. It's a weekly podcast every Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Gotta bless you cool Zone.

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01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: God bless you. Sarah Marshall.

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01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, God bless us. Everyone thinks that's exactly what it's thinking.

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Speaker 4: Uh bye.

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Speaker 5: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of

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01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 5: cool Zone Media. For more podcasts on cool Zone Media,

1174
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 5: visit our website Coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out

1175
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 5: on the iHeartMedia app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get

1176
01:05:58,520 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 5: your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: You're an