Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So I get that.
Speaker 2: Tell me that about shooters because I asked him the
Speaker 2: other day why can't shoot his guard shooters?
Speaker 1: Because they all do the same thing to each other,
Speaker 1: How the hell does it keep working?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Job, if you go over top on the floppy, he's
Speaker 2: gonna bump back.
Speaker 1: Why would you? Like, how do you guys work? Please?
Speaker 3: Guys?
Speaker 1: And how y'all get open on each other? Oh, y'all
Speaker 1: do the same.
Speaker 4: I will say this though, like elite athletes, I had
Speaker 4: a better chance against the shooters in my opinion.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 4: Like as far as like off screens and floppies and
Speaker 4: wide pin downs, why there was over jealous people were
Speaker 4: easy Like as as a shooter, yes, we get beat
Speaker 4: on certain things, but I was, I was. I had
Speaker 4: to know what I was doing on the basket floor
Speaker 4: and especially defensively. I was gonna funnel dude some way.
Speaker 4: He was gonna get what No matter what, if you're
Speaker 4: doing wide pin downs, you're doing any high movement, you're
Speaker 4: gonna get something out of it.
Speaker 1: What do I want him to get?
Speaker 4: And where's my health?
Speaker 1: Right? Like?
Speaker 4: So to me, like if I top side that thing,
Speaker 4: I know he's gonna get that. We're gonna get corner.
Speaker 4: But that's what I want.
Speaker 3: But he was over jealousy.
Speaker 4: I got both of them. If you're getting very aggressive guy,
Speaker 4: like I got both, I got off, I got that,
Speaker 4: I got back door, like I got all that stuff.
Speaker 4: But like shooters is no shooter, it's hard to guard shooting.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying with a motor.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not taking.
Speaker 3: It away from it.
Speaker 5: Guys with motor it's tiring for everybody, no doubt. You know,
Speaker 5: like shooters that are really like you're talking about Duncan,
Speaker 5: Like Duncan's just he doesn't stop moving, right, he just
Speaker 5: doesn't stop. So like doesn't matter how good, it doesn't
Speaker 5: matter how how good of a shape you're in, Like it's.
Speaker 3: Hard to run around and guard. Got it? You're better
Speaker 3: about guys like Duncan. It's like, hey, I'm just forcing
Speaker 3: that way. And because otherwise he's gonna rat race.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2: And and as I'm processing this right now, you guys
Speaker 2: are so elite that all you need is a crack.
Speaker 1: So you've seen I give you that. All you guys
Speaker 1: need is a crack. Dunks are great if you guys
Speaker 1: get a crack is going.
Speaker 2: Up, So I gotta give a credit a credit, dude.
Speaker 2: It's been so many times where I just see the
Speaker 2: guys and I'm like, you know, God, damn well, that's
Speaker 2: what That's what you would have done.
Speaker 1: How did you let him do it? That's what you
Speaker 1: would have done. You would have done the same thing.
Speaker 4: But it's like in the pick and roll, shooting is
Speaker 4: no different than the pick and roll and creating an advantage, right,
Speaker 4: you got to give him something.
Speaker 3: You can't take it.
Speaker 4: All away, right, So it's ultimately, you know, you play
Speaker 4: with Shane Batty. He's the biggest guy in the world
Speaker 4: that just looking at numbers and just breaking it down
Speaker 4: forty one point two percent here, if he can just
Speaker 4: get taken a half, yes here change.
Speaker 3: Shame was nuts with it.
Speaker 1: He was a leader at it.
Speaker 4: But it's at the end of the day, that's what
Speaker 4: we're doing. Okay, all right, I'm on top this dude
Speaker 4: the whole game.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 4: But then if you like, at the end of the
Speaker 4: day again, I mean this aggressive dudes were the easier
Speaker 4: ones to score on on ISOs. That's totally different.
Speaker 2: So even though so even though you guys score on shooters,
Speaker 2: it's actually hard to score on another shoot.
Speaker 1: It in it would be over there, Yes, athletic, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Because because every shooter thinks the same way.
Speaker 1: That's what I was saying.
Speaker 4: I want to force him to this if he makes
Speaker 4: that way, and I got a pat of that. A
Speaker 4: great shot dog. But like the over jealous ones, like like, man,
Speaker 4: those guys are way easier now when you have to
Speaker 4: go when they guard you, like on some ISO stuff,
Speaker 4: and they're up in your like in your hips, that's
Speaker 4: totally different. But shooters off like why down back ashes,
Speaker 4: I know exactly what that gonna do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's that's comforting.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm being a little too critically. You are, you're
Speaker 1: looking at us as white dudes. It's cool. She said that.
Speaker 1: I got a question, did you know who he was
Speaker 1: before we came in?
Speaker 2: Absolutely trying to tell me you probably don't know who
Speaker 2: Stop ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I watched watched long that broke back three pointers.
Speaker 2: If you don't know nothing about Mike Mill, you remember
Speaker 2: that moment before you got here, He probably don't know
Speaker 2: who I am.
Speaker 1: I'm al ridiculous. I bet you. I should have bet you.
Speaker 1: I should have took the bet.
Speaker 4: To So now that we're talking about that, talk about
Speaker 4: you know, obviously leaving Gonzaga fifteenth pick right, Yes, sir, awesome, congratulations.
Speaker 4: Growing up inside this Wizard organization and seeing the changes,
Speaker 4: one thing you learn real quick is once they start
Speaker 4: paying those paychecks, it's a profession. It's a real job.
Speaker 4: What was who did you lean on as a rookie
Speaker 4: there to help you kind of guide you through this
Speaker 4: and now seeing these changes, you know you're gonna have
Speaker 4: to start helping some of these other young kids.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you have to. You have to learn
Speaker 5: how to be a pro fast, real quick. And like
Speaker 5: we've changed, We've changed multiple times, we have. I've played
Speaker 5: for two coaches, I've had two front offices, so like
Speaker 5: change every year pretty much. And like you have to
Speaker 5: separate the business and the game and you have to
Speaker 5: learn that really fast. And so like the two guys
Speaker 5: that I leaned on for that specifically were KCP.
Speaker 1: He was one of my bets.
Speaker 5: Great, great guy. Helped me a lot through the struggles
Speaker 5: of the first year. That was the year of me,
Speaker 5: like trying to get on the floor, trying to find minutes,
Speaker 5: make an impact in other ways besides shooting in order
Speaker 5: to stay on the floor longer, like KCP was my
Speaker 5: guy for that.
Speaker 3: And then do you guys know the name Anthony Gill?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, I kind of got under our bench, like, yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, one of the best teammates I've ever been around,
Speaker 5: full stop, and he works his tail off. He is
Speaker 5: always in the gym. He's in the best shape anybody
Speaker 5: on our team bare barely plays. And so I'm shout
Speaker 5: out to Anthony a g If you're listening, shout out
Speaker 5: to you. I got into the gym when I was
Speaker 5: a rookie and I looked around to see who was
Speaker 5: working hardest, and it was him out of all of
Speaker 5: our guys. And so I'm gonna go hang out with him.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do what he does and I'm gonna learn
Speaker 5: from him. And he's just so happy.
Speaker 4: By the way, tip my cap to you for don't
Speaker 4: understand it as a rookie. As I'm on the side
Speaker 4: now on the agent side of business. When I help
Speaker 4: these young kids come in, that's probably a product of
Speaker 4: obviously playing the amount of years in college and you
Speaker 4: did the young kids understanding end up having that kind
Speaker 4: of awareness. Okay, who am I gonna identify some myself
Speaker 4: with Who am I gonna learn from That's gonna leave
Speaker 4: me in the right direction and not take me the
Speaker 4: deep waters and drown me right? And how how am
Speaker 4: I gonna get on the floor?
Speaker 1: That's all to me.
Speaker 4: It was all about and it's about the work in
Speaker 4: routines and habits and man, tip my hat. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean that's a rookie. That's impressive.
Speaker 5: I got really lucky with AG two because he was
Speaker 5: like a lot of some older guys are like, you're
Speaker 5: a young dude, you're trying to blow up my spot.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna give you any help. He was the opposite.
Speaker 5: He was like, I'm here to help you. I'm here
Speaker 5: to make you better. He poured advice into me, imported
Speaker 5: himself into me to help me, and I would just
Speaker 5: all I was there to do is just take his advice,
Speaker 5: work as hard as he did. And what the cards followed.
Speaker 4: They may people don't understand though, it's a it's a
Speaker 4: it's a business totally because you have a you have
Speaker 4: a situation there where fifteen guys are trying to get
Speaker 4: a spot and what you said right there and there's
Speaker 4: none of them are unselfish like that, and so the
Speaker 4: we talked about it all the time on the conversation
Speaker 4: obviously our our podcast called ogs. Having real ogs in
Speaker 4: the locker.
Speaker 1: Room are super important.
Speaker 4: Like it's leading and guiding and that without without no
Speaker 4: and being comfortable who we are and what stage of
Speaker 4: our career we're in. And in Washington, you just haven't
Speaker 4: had that, really, No, You've had all young players and
Speaker 4: they keep and and they have to that to keep
Speaker 4: trying to hit in the draft.
Speaker 3: It's part of the deal.
Speaker 4: It's part of the deal. Part of the I gotta
Speaker 4: give credit to Will and them guys with credit. Where's
Speaker 4: credits do? They're starting to get mature, they're starting to
Speaker 4: get McCollums work as smart's. Yes, they're starting to get
Speaker 4: some of these dudes in here that can help. Hopefully
Speaker 4: these younger kids are like the Trays and the and
Speaker 4: obviously bub from last year and saw like their help
Speaker 4: these dudes.
Speaker 5: So and it's and it's crazy, you, I mean, I've
Speaker 5: been this is your five from going to be your
Speaker 5: five for me now and I feel like a vet
Speaker 5: on this team even though really not like I'm really not.
Speaker 5: It's like I feel old. But then you like the
Speaker 5: moment and the moment you bring a guy like Marcus
Speaker 5: or guy like CJ or Chris Middleton into our locker room,
Speaker 5: like just their presence and like their presence is like
Speaker 5: everyone kind of like a couple of chances up, you know,
Speaker 5: And so it's only a good thing for them, only
Speaker 5: good thing for us to have them in our locker room.
Speaker 5: And they just for when they got traded at the
Speaker 5: deadline to us last year, Marcus and Chris did and
Speaker 5: we're nothing but helpful.
Speaker 3: So I mean, and our CJ is coming in there too.
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously lose Jordan, but c is coming in there,
Speaker 4: and it's a it's another one who can help. And
Speaker 4: that's good, really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean you touched on it earlier, but I
Speaker 2: mean the rebuild after Bradley Bill and different things like that.
Speaker 2: You do have an opportunity to go for you as
Speaker 2: a college and things like that. How does that help
Speaker 2: because we don't see that too much anymore, How does
Speaker 2: that help the maturity of a lot of things that
Speaker 2: you're going to deal with because we don't see kids
Speaker 2: go I see them when I was with Miami playing
Speaker 2: at og Road, they were coming into eighteen and nineteen.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: About what kind of notion you're using where they get
Speaker 2: the chopstick? Like, hey, man, did you use your yod
Speaker 2: today this morning? Listen, I'm talking about rogie when they
Speaker 2: come in because they're so young. You did four years,
Speaker 2: obviously you skipped that. But you're dealing with a whole
Speaker 2: different set of problems. Now what kind of lotion you use?
Speaker 2: Your fellow can't come in here with your whole face drive?
Speaker 2: Did you wash your face this morning?
Speaker 1: Man? That on your face? Like, hold on, man, let
Speaker 1: me give you something. This is what I use.
Speaker 3: This is around you. Come sit down, let me teach
Speaker 3: you something stick.
Speaker 2: I used my drives help going through a whole processes
Speaker 2: that I didn't even know I was gonna deal with.
Speaker 1: He skipped those phrases. Did for your school? You know?
Speaker 1: You know, you know what lotion he like?
Speaker 2: So he But nothing prepares you for the rebuild of
Speaker 2: losing the star player, the expectations of the fans and
Speaker 2: all that sh is different. You think four years of
Speaker 2: college helped to prepare you somewhat?
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little.
Speaker 5: What it prepared me for was, like you want to
Speaker 5: you're in the rebuild. You're trying you're trying to build
Speaker 5: in the future. Maybe wins and losses aren't necessarily the
Speaker 5: most important thing right now when we're in the rebuild,
Speaker 5: but you want to the goal of that is whether
Speaker 5: we're winning or losing. You want to try to build
Speaker 5: and maintain winning habits. And I played for a team,
Speaker 5: I mean my whole college career, I lost ten games.
Speaker 3: So like going coming in coming in your copy.
Speaker 5: So the goal was to be a part of the rebuild,
Speaker 5: but bring winning habits that I already knew how to do.
Speaker 5: I mean, I spent four years winning and know how
Speaker 5: to win. I know what it takes. And so even
Speaker 5: being a part of the rebuild, like there's a lot
Speaker 5: of times where it's super tough and you haven't won
Speaker 5: in a while, but you're trying to maintain the vision
Speaker 5: and keep the goal in mind in the future. But
Speaker 5: you have to be able to stick in to your
Speaker 5: winning habits and do our best to help those young
Speaker 5: guys realize that and bring them along with us.
Speaker 2: And that's great that you had when it habits coming
Speaker 2: into that, some things you're going to learn, but you
Speaker 2: had for a little bit.
Speaker 5: Right, a little bit of it, and it's it's it
Speaker 5: is so difficult, like being a part of a rebuilding team.
Speaker 5: Like people talk about it like it's just kind of
Speaker 5: something that happens, which it is, but like when you're
Speaker 5: in the middle of it, it's as a competitor, it's
Speaker 5: really really hard to maintain.
Speaker 1: The food tastes better when you win it.
Speaker 2: People don't understand, like the weird I could go to
Speaker 2: the same restaurant, but the next day the food tastes better.
Speaker 2: If I want the next night we lost, it don't
Speaker 2: taste as good the same meal.
Speaker 4: It's it's really refreshing to hear you talk like that though,
Speaker 4: because and I've said this a million times for all
Speaker 4: young kids coming in this this league is easy to
Speaker 4: lose in absolutely, you know, because it's now it's like, okay,
Speaker 4: the checks are really really big. I lost because you're
Speaker 4: gonna play again in another day, right, like, And so
Speaker 4: to keep keep that competitive spirits, keep that because it's
Speaker 4: gonna it's only gonna help not only the organization but yourself.
Speaker 4: Because reality situation is it's so like you can't it's
Speaker 4: not like college.
Speaker 1: You don't choose who drafts you.
Speaker 4: You don't choose what organization or locker room you walk
Speaker 4: into but once you get in there, like it's it
Speaker 4: like and we've said this on multiple occasions. One of
Speaker 4: the biggest reasons I went to Miami was and nothing
Speaker 4: against other teams I was at every time I laced
Speaker 4: them up in October, I was I knew I wasn't
Speaker 4: playing for.
Speaker 1: The actual end goal. That's frustrating.
Speaker 4: And so you say, but losing is easy, and you're
Speaker 4: gonna have some serious conditioning and endurance for it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, And it's yeah, I mean, it's it's
Speaker 5: a unique situation to be in. And you see it
Speaker 5: all the time too, when guys are you know, a
Speaker 5: part of a part of a rebuilding team and they
Speaker 5: can maybe get traded the deadline and like, are your winning?
Speaker 5: That's when you that's when you get to show if
Speaker 5: you're winning, if you've been maintaining your winning habits. Is
Speaker 5: if you could put into the spotlight right away or like,
Speaker 5: things change fast in the league, like Oklahoma City was
Speaker 5: a twenty four win team two.
Speaker 3: Years before won the title. Yes, crazy, you got to
Speaker 3: be a winner right away.
Speaker 5: And so you know, and if you so, things things
Speaker 5: change super fast, and you got to make sure that
Speaker 5: those habits are sharp, and you gotta be ready to go.
Speaker 1: You guys never know what's going on.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm saying, and.
Speaker 1: That's that's huge.
Speaker 2: That's weah to have guys that have been there and
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