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Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it's July twenty second, and it turns

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Speaker 1: out Sleepy Joe might have been really sleepy. We're talking

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Speaker 1: like ambient sleepy and with that, welcome to Amy and

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Speaker 1: TJ and being kind of tongue and cheek playing off

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Speaker 1: of a name that was an insult Robes that the president,

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Speaker 1: President Trump gave Joe Sleepy Joe. But now we are

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Speaker 1: being told Joe might have been literally prescription drug led

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Speaker 2: Yes, we heard from his son, Hunter Biden, who for

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Speaker 2: whatever reason chose to do a three hour interview unedited

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Speaker 2: with a YouTube host, and that in and of itself

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Speaker 2: is interesting. But I don't think any one of us

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Speaker 2: you get a little impassioned, you start feeling yourself, you

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Speaker 2: I do I think Look, I feel like the first

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Speaker 2: revved up. And then yes, there were a couple headlines,

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Speaker 1: You think to say that, and maybe even wishes he.

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Speaker 2: Hadn't said Absolutely today he has to wish that he

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Speaker 2: get yes, you get comfortable, And that interviewer was a

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Speaker 2: He wasn't thinking about the headlines that could get pulled

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Speaker 2: from what he was saying. He got impassioned. He actually

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Speaker 2: aren't things that you should necessarily do in politics.

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Speaker 1: You make the point now about he got comfortable. They

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Speaker 1: have it right. It was two and a half hours in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he went on this stuff right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, at the NBA, the last forty five minutes were

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Speaker 1: Times I think, I don't know, unhinged isn't too much

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Speaker 1: You know, I shouldn't say that. I shouldn't say that.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to put any thoughts possibly in their

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Speaker 2: Look, I think Hunter Biden has been escapegoat of sorts.

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Speaker 2: The Republicans have used his name and his problems and

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Speaker 2: he was in defense mode. But sometimes when you go

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't so defense mode and we'll get into we have

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Speaker 1: to get into is that a defense? A legitimate defense?

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Speaker 1: Because we all know, I mean, this will go down

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Speaker 1: in history. That debate last summer changed everything. It made

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Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, that's an understatement.

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Speaker 2: It would have made me feel even more concerned, because

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Speaker 2: I understand, but you cannot be that out of it

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Speaker 1: So should we not not blame but give credit to

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm with you there, and from the Mayo Clinic

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Speaker 1: And if you all don't know, it's called Channel five

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Speaker 2: But so yeah, so many young kids are looking for

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Speaker 1: He's as chill as it gets. So three hour interview two,

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Speaker 2: He doesn't mind him as an actor, but that's where

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Speaker 1: But then Robes he went into and we'll give you

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Speaker 2: He said, I know exactly what happened in that debate.

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Speaker 1: There's got to be more questions after that. I cannot

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Speaker 2: He's telling they both matter, they both matter.

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Speaker 1: Telling us that his dad was not mentally there because

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Speaker 2: Than that, And Babe, I would just say, look nothing

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Speaker 2: what I would say most journalists do. When you're interviewing somebody.

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Speaker 2: It's not even the initial question. It's when someone says

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Speaker 1: And look, we are not at all to Callahan criticized

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Speaker 1: Of course, and the guy give him credit for this

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Speaker 2: So if you look up, you looked up the mail

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Speaker 2: So ambient can cause cognitive impairment, including memory loss, confusion,

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Speaker 1: You know, he's on ambient and you put him out

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Speaker 2: Exactly if he's traveling around the world, presumably to meet

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Speaker 1: What did Biden say about that? He said, just I

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Speaker 1: So, because I've seen people on it as scary as hell.

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Speaker 2: So that's my experience with it, and it just seems

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Speaker 1: It's on to your point, it is on the actual label.

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Speaker 2: I know on the warning, and I look like an idiot.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's very funny because I actually, you know, we've

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Speaker 2: where we are talking about the massive headlines that came

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Speaker 2: out of this Hunter Biden interview with a YouTuber. It

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Speaker 2: of course, the big ambient headline that Hunter said his

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Speaker 2: He took total issue with that.

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Speaker 1: It sounded a little crazy. I kin't of remember when

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Speaker 1: did that story come out? What part of the camp paign?

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Speaker 1: Was it part of the campaign.

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Speaker 2: Well, it definitely came out, it definitely, Yes, it came

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Speaker 2: Did Clooney talk about that in his op ed? I

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Speaker 1: He wasn't the man I once knew in correct, just

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Speaker 1: He explained it. I guess we've been to a lot

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Speaker 2: Yes, the rope line where.

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Speaker 1: The president is standing there, whatever famous person it might be,

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Speaker 2: Clooney, Johnny, he said it was. He said his father

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Speaker 2: Yes, and clearly, Hunter feels like Clooney's op ed absolutely

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Speaker 2: that's where he is. Just I mean, his anger was

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Speaker 2: palpable and the language he used was shocking.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how are we going to handle this?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 1: Were we going to bleep? Are we going to just

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Speaker 1: say F and F because it's a lot of let's.

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Speaker 2: Just say F because it is so much. I feel

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Speaker 2: like it's a lot to take in you. I'll take it, okay.

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Speaker 2: I mean I do like the word, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: avoid saying it. But this is what It's funny. You

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Speaker 2: and I both were listening to it and took our notes.

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Speaker 2: We both wrote down the entire thing completely word for

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Speaker 2: word because it was that shocking. So here is what

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Speaker 2: Yes Hunter Biden said about George Clooney. F him, F him,

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Speaker 2: F him and everybody around him. I don't have to

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Speaker 2: be effing nice. Number one. I agree with Quentin Tarantino

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Speaker 2: efing George Clooney is not an effing actor. He's a

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Speaker 2: efing I don't know what he is. He's a brand.

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Speaker 2: God bless him. You know when someone says God bless him,

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Speaker 2: it's never good. It's an insult. Bless his little heart.

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Speaker 2: He probably treats his friends really well. I hear he

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Speaker 2: buys them things, and he's got a really great place

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Speaker 2: in Lake Como, and he's great friends with Barack Obama.

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Speaker 2: F you, what do you have to do with efing anything?

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Speaker 2: Why do I have to effing listen to you? What

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Speaker 2: right do you have to step on a man who

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Speaker 2: has given fifth two years of his effing life to

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Speaker 2: the service of this country and decide that you, George Clooney,

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Speaker 2: are going to take out basically a full page ad

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Speaker 2: in the effing New York Times to undermine the President.

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Speaker 1: That was a lot.

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Speaker 2: That was anger, that was deep seated anger.

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Speaker 1: It was anger, and it was love. It was love

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Speaker 1: for his dad. I mean, he's passionately taking up for

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Speaker 1: his dad, for a guy who he probably, at least

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Speaker 1: it sounded like in his interview, holds him partly responsible

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Speaker 1: for his dad and not being in the race for

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Speaker 1: his dad. Ending his political career and an actor in

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Speaker 1: the freaking New York Times is able to have that

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Speaker 1: kind of influence. He sounded mad, and it sounded like

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Speaker 1: a guy who genuinely, passionately adores and loves his dad.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot right and a lot wrong there.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of F bombs. And this was

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Speaker 1: the part I was talking about. He sat up and

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Speaker 1: leaned in in his chair to the interviewer to drop

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Speaker 1: all these F bombs. It.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it definitely took me by surprise because I didn't

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Speaker 2: realize he went that deep and that hard against Clooney.

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Speaker 2: And he went on to say that that was the

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Speaker 2: undoing of the election, that the Republicans were united and

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Speaker 2: have been united, and that the Democrats with you know,

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Speaker 2: you've got the Progressives, you've got the he was, you know,

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Speaker 2: he really doesn't like Nancy Pelosi, the old school. I

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Speaker 2: think they described the Democrats who have enough money that

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Speaker 2: they give millions to universities, those folks, and they're divided

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Speaker 2: and they can't You've got the Bernie Sanders and the aocs,

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Speaker 2: and you've got just it's all a mess. And he

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Speaker 2: felt so frustrated that they could not unite or would

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Speaker 2: not unite, not only behind his dad, but also behind

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris. And you know again that was the that

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Speaker 2: was the silver lining of the interview, is that you

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Speaker 2: did see the love that the Bidens, all of the

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Speaker 2: Bidens seemed to have with Kamala Harris and her family.

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Speaker 2: That was nice to see. I you know, we always

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Speaker 2: love to see even former presidents and their families hanging

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Speaker 2: out and sitting together, whether they're throw together through funerals

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Speaker 2: or state events or national events. But all this discord

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Speaker 2: and all this ugliness is tough. That was the bright moment,

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Speaker 2: the bright spot for me that I saw that true

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Speaker 2: connection between those two families.

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Speaker 1: Well, he was calm, that was a different as a

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Speaker 1: tone change when he talked about Kamala Harris. That came

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Speaker 1: off so sincerely. I love Kamala Harris. I think she

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Speaker 1: would have made an incredible president. I know she was

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Speaker 1: an incredibly loyal vice president. She did everything she could

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Speaker 1: to support my dad and support me and my family personally. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I truly love her like family. Wow, that's

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Speaker 1: came off as sincere and that sentence lasted ten seconds

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Speaker 1: in otherwise three hour just profanity fest. It was.

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Speaker 2: It was tough.

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Speaker 1: Well, but look, we will see, but we learned more.

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Speaker 1: We continue to learn more about what happened in that moment.

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Speaker 1: I'd forgotten about it and moved on, But now I'm

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Speaker 1: hearing this and we're re examining a moment in political

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Speaker 1: history in this country that is not I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's resolved.

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Speaker 2: No, because we're still we're still using people and to

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Speaker 2: defend Hunter in some way. And I mentioned it at

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Speaker 2: the top, but he is used as a political football,

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Speaker 2: and no one gives a shit about what it does

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Speaker 2: to someone who has struggled with sobriety for his entire life,

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Speaker 2: who has struggled with a lot of loss in his life.

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Speaker 2: There's zero compassion, there's zero empathy, and everyone gets dehumanized.

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Speaker 2: We talk about this, and I mean in a sense

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Speaker 2: he did it, maybe even to Clooney in that sense too,

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Speaker 2: he was returning fire. But he has been dehumanized in

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Speaker 2: so many ways, and his anger is there. It's palpable,

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Speaker 2: and it certainly came out in this interview. But maybe

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Speaker 2: we can just walk away from it understanding that that

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of hurt. This isn't just politics. It

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Speaker 2: is personal. It isn't just business. It is personal. It's

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Speaker 2: very personal when you're living that life.

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Speaker 1: And he make the point we should consider this. He said,

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Speaker 1: we saw someone get old before our eyes. He grew

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Speaker 1: old right in front of us. We have to decide

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Speaker 1: what we need to do with these folks. Just because

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Speaker 1: you're getting old and you lose a step, does that

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Speaker 1: mean you no longer can contribute to society? You're still

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Speaker 1: all there mentally? How do we do that? When we

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Speaker 1: see a guy who loses a step where he looks old,

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Speaker 1: we automatically assume the mind isn't there. I talked about

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Speaker 1: Ambassador Young. You remember, Yeah, that was the funeral.

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Speaker 2: Uh oh, that was the Jimmy Carter funeral.

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Speaker 1: The funeral if as a young known as brother forever

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Speaker 1: he's ninety, what is it now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Something as sharp as a tech. Mentally, you know it

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Speaker 1: as soon as you see him. But he had to

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Speaker 1: sit down during the when he made his presentation because

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Speaker 1: he's just old. He can't stand up there.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think it's fair for Hunter Biden to

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Speaker 2: say that it was just physical, that he was making missteps,

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Speaker 2: that he had a hard time coming up and down

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Speaker 2: the plane because he was suffering from COVID, and that

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Speaker 2: all may be true, but we absolutely saw him forget

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Speaker 2: his train of thought. And that does happen. Your body ages,

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Speaker 2: so does your mind. The two go hand in hand

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Speaker 2: and it's okay. And so I think that we can

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Speaker 2: absolutely you know, we all want to have a place

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Speaker 2: and give back and be a part of things, regardless

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Speaker 2: of our age. But it doesn't mean that you should

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Speaker 2: be leading the country.

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Speaker 1: It also doesn't mean you should be led out to

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Speaker 1: pastor either doesn't.

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Speaker 2: There's maybe we can find a medium.

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Speaker 1: What's the thirty five right? You have to be thirty

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Speaker 1: five to be president?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Should there be an age.

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Speaker 2: Limit on the other end, yes, I do think so.

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Speaker 2: I am absolutely of the mind I would I would

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Speaker 2: absolutely vote, And if you had to ask me what

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Speaker 2: that age limit is, I would. I would probably put

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Speaker 2: it at eighty.

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Speaker 1: But then we'll end up having an argument about ageism.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter argent.

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Speaker 1: About these people have so much value they can add.

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Speaker 1: Wisdom's much older at a time as President Trump is

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Speaker 1: seems to be going at it just fine.

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Speaker 2: He's pushing eighty right, right, So it knows what we

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Speaker 2: do there.

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Speaker 1: But Hunter Biden gave us a lot to work with,

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Speaker 1: and folks will be working with it for a while

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Speaker 1: in DC.

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Speaker 2: I assume yes, this is This is going to provide

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Speaker 2: days of conversations on all those amazing cable shows that

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Speaker 2: so many of us love and hate to watch at

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Speaker 2: the same time. So thank you for listening to us.

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Speaker 2: I'm made robot on behalf of my partner t J. Holmes.

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Speaker 2: Have a wonderful day, everybody,