WEBVTT - Ritual of Oak and Mistletoe

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<v Speaker 1>While on this subject we also must not omit the

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<v Speaker 1>respect shown to this plant by the Gaelic provinces. The Druids,

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<v Speaker 1>that is what they call their magicians, hold nothing more

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<v Speaker 1>sacred than mistletoe and a tree on which it is growing,

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<v Speaker 1>provided it is a hard oak. Groves of hard oaks

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<v Speaker 1>are chosen even for their own sake, and the magicians

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<v Speaker 1>perform no rites without using the foliage of those trees,

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<v Speaker 1>so that it may be supposed that it is from

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<v Speaker 1>this custom that they get their name of Druids, from

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<v Speaker 1>the Greek word meaning oak. But further, anything growing on

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<v Speaker 1>oak trees they think to have been sent down from Heaven,

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<v Speaker 1>and to be a sign that the particular tree has

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<v Speaker 1>been chosen by God himself. Mistletoe is, however, rather seldom

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<v Speaker 1>found on a hard oak, and when it is discovered,

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<v Speaker 1>it is gathered with great ceremony, and particularly on the

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<v Speaker 1>sixth day of the moon, which for these tribes constitutes

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the months in the years, and after

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<v Speaker 1>every thirty years of a new generation, because it is

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<v Speaker 1>then rising in strength and not one half of its

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<v Speaker 1>full size. Hailing the moon in a native word that

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<v Speaker 1>means healing all things, they prepare a ritual sacrifice and

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<v Speaker 1>banquet beneath the tree, and bring up two white bulls,

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<v Speaker 1>whose horns are bound. For the first time on this occasion,

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<v Speaker 1>a priest, arrayed in white vestments, climbs the tree with

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<v Speaker 1>a golden sickle and cuts down the mistletoe, which is

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<v Speaker 1>caught in a white cloak. Then finally they kill the victims,

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<v Speaker 1>praying to God to render his gift propitious to those

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<v Speaker 1>on whom he has bestowed it. They believe that mistletoe

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<v Speaker 1>given in drink will impart fertility to any animal that

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<v Speaker 1>is barren, and that it is an antidote for all poisons.

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<v Speaker 1>So powerful is the superstition in regard to trifling matters

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<v Speaker 1>that frequently prevails among the races of mankind. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff to Blow your mind from how Stuff Works dot Com.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey you, welcome to stuff to blow your mind. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. And that

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<v Speaker 1>reading was from our old friend Plenty of the Elder.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously it was concerning the Druid rituals about missiletoe. Robert,

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<v Speaker 1>you are leaning into Christmas topics this year. I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a little disturbed by this, do you want to explain yourself? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I finally decided, you know, it was it

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<v Speaker 1>was foolish to resist. I should just I should just

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<v Speaker 1>lean into Christmas. I should give into Christmas. And uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's paying off, you know, because missiletoe is a

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<v Speaker 1>fine example. It's easy to just assume it's just the

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<v Speaker 1>silly tradition that it results in, you know, smooching underneath

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing. But it's actually like moon worship,

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<v Speaker 1>sacrifice and uh and parasitism. Yeah, it's it's actually really crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Um again, this quote was from plenty of the Elder

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<v Speaker 1>Roman historian. Uh. This particular translation was the Rockham jones

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<v Speaker 1>Icles translation, which you can find online. Uh. And it

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<v Speaker 1>does sound like one crazy Christmas party, doesn't No matter

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<v Speaker 1>how how out of control your office Christmas party gets,

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<v Speaker 1>there probably not gonna be white bulls marched in and

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<v Speaker 1>human sacrifice is made to some sort of druid god.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's how you know a party is good. Like

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<v Speaker 1>if you're there for the first time some year and

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<v Speaker 1>they bring in the two white bulls, like, you know

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be wrong when the golden sickle comes out. Um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's time to to really commit to staying,

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<v Speaker 1>or to go ahead and head out and go home,

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<v Speaker 1>called to call it an early evening. Um, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this uh, I think this will be an interesting episode.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was tempted to to even write a long

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<v Speaker 1>form form poem, something like twads the night before Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>and deep in the woods a sacrifice was planned by

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<v Speaker 1>the Galls and their druids, but alas I, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the poetic energy to keep going. Well, there's always

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<v Speaker 1>next year. But anyway, so if you know us, you

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<v Speaker 1>know that we can never resist consulting Plenty of the

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<v Speaker 1>Elder on any topic of of the natural world, or

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<v Speaker 1>of monsters, or of history. He's got the best and

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<v Speaker 1>often funniest takes on stuff from ancient Rome, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>and certainly we don't do not depend on first century

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<v Speaker 1>historians like Plenty for our for our data, but it

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<v Speaker 1>adds a lot of flavor to what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>And you usually we are talking about the things that

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<v Speaker 1>he's quite wrong about, or or the thing that he's

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<v Speaker 1>reporting is like purely mythological mistletoe, which he talks about

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit in the natural history. However, he does

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<v Speaker 1>manage to get some thing's right. There's there. There are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things that that are that are less fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody's speaking out of their bellies so much when discussing missiletoe. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's consult plenty on mistletoe, and then we can talk

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more about what modern science says about

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<v Speaker 1>this plant vampire. So first of all, he says, uh quote,

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<v Speaker 1>there are three kinds of mistletoe. One that grows as

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<v Speaker 1>a parasite on the fur and the larch is called

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<v Speaker 1>stellis in Euboia and hiphi are and arcadia. And the

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<v Speaker 1>name of mistletoe is used for one growing on the oak,

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<v Speaker 1>hard oak, home oak, wild pear, turpentine tree, and indeed

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<v Speaker 1>most other trees, and growing in great abundance on the oak,

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<v Speaker 1>is one which they call dryos hypha are. There is

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<v Speaker 1>a difference in the case of every tree except the

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<v Speaker 1>home olk and the oak, in the smell and poison

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<v Speaker 1>of the berry and the disagreeably scented leaf, both the

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<v Speaker 1>berry and the leaf of the mistletoe being bitter and sticky.

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<v Speaker 1>The hiphi are is more useful than vetch for fattening cattle.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, it only acts as a purge, but it

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<v Speaker 1>subsequently fattens the beasts that have stood the purging process,

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<v Speaker 1>although they say that those with some internal malady cannot

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<v Speaker 1>stand it. I like the idea there that you would

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<v Speaker 1>essentially just use the mistletoe to poison your flocks, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the ones that survive get more food to eat,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they get bitter, bigger. Uh Okay, so picking

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<v Speaker 1>up with plenty, he says. Quote. The method of treatment

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<v Speaker 1>is employed for forty days in the summer. An additional

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<v Speaker 1>variety is said to be found in mistletoe in that

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<v Speaker 1>when it grows on deciduous trees, it also sheds its

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<v Speaker 1>leaves itself, but when growing on an evergreen tree it

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<v Speaker 1>retains its leaves. But universally, when missiletoe seed is sown,

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<v Speaker 1>it never sprouts at all, and only when passed in

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<v Speaker 1>the excrement of birds, particularly the pigeon and the thrush.

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<v Speaker 1>Its nature is such that it will not shoot unless

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<v Speaker 1>it has been ripened in the stomach of birds. Its

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<v Speaker 1>height does not exceed eighteen inches, and it is evergreen

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<v Speaker 1>and always in leaf. The male plant is fertile in

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<v Speaker 1>the female baron, except that even a fertile plant sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>does not bear, and he continues later on discussing mistletoe quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Missiletoe berries can be used for making bird lime if

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<v Speaker 1>gathered at harvest time while unripe, for if the rainy

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<v Speaker 1>season has begun. Although they get bigger in size, they

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<v Speaker 1>lose in viscosity. They are then dried and when quite dry,

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<v Speaker 1>pounded and stored in water, and in about twelve days

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<v Speaker 1>they turn rotten. And this is the sole case of

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<v Speaker 1>a thing that becomes attractive by rotting the soul case. Wow. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>after having been again pounded up, they are put in

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<v Speaker 1>running water and there lose their skins and become viscous

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<v Speaker 1>in their inner flesh. This substance, after being needed with oil,

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<v Speaker 1>is birdlime, used for entangling bird's wings by contact with

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<v Speaker 1>it when one wants to snare them. Now, I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to note that I looked this up and found that

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<v Speaker 1>bird lime is real. This is not like one of

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<v Speaker 1>these legendary magic potions that Plenty just credulously reports. It

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<v Speaker 1>is this sticky substance that's used for catching birds and branches.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he describes, it's sort of an artificial spider web

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<v Speaker 1>that we maintain like a glue trap. Yes, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a tree based glue trap for birds. It has long

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<v Speaker 1>been used in human history for bird trapping. THO it's

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<v Speaker 1>not quite clear like how off and it actually was

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<v Speaker 1>mistiletoe based. But I've also read that birdline was used

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<v Speaker 1>in World War Two to create anti tank weapons known

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<v Speaker 1>as sticky bombs. The idea there would have been um

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<v Speaker 1>like a soldier on foot could potentially stop a tank

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<v Speaker 1>if they've got a bunch of high explosives, and then

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<v Speaker 1>put it in some kind of sticky package and they

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<v Speaker 1>can stick to the tank and run away. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not kidding when I when I said that I

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<v Speaker 1>would I would love to do a whole episode just

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<v Speaker 1>an anti tank weapons. There's some fascinating science there, especially

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<v Speaker 1>from World War two. A different things like shaped charges

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<v Speaker 1>and things that the Germans would do to their tanks

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<v Speaker 1>to prevent shaped targets from being shaped charges from being

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<v Speaker 1>a fixed to the side of the tank, essentially like

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<v Speaker 1>covering it in a plaster or mud like substance and

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<v Speaker 1>then adding these ridges so that it wouldn't stick. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's interesting. We we we can definitely come back to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I have to revisit again, what is plenty talking

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<v Speaker 1>about when he says it is the only thing that

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<v Speaker 1>becomes more useful when rotten. Does he not know about

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<v Speaker 1>out pickling or like beer or I don't know, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean just just yesterday having meal with with my

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<v Speaker 1>family and we were commenting on all the things on

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<v Speaker 1>the table that that we're in some way pickled or

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<v Speaker 1>or made use of vinegar, etcetera. Well, yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess there's like there are multiple ways of pickling,

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<v Speaker 1>so you could just like brine something, but anything involving

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<v Speaker 1>actual fermentation. He's got to be able to appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe Plenty just hates fermented foods. I don't know, maybe so.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's tempting to keep reading Plenty for our facts

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<v Speaker 1>on mistletoe, but of course that would be ridiculous. Our

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<v Speaker 1>understanding of the plant has has come along ways over

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<v Speaker 1>the last two thousand years or so, and botanists are

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<v Speaker 1>still figuring out things about this baleful plant turned holiday

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<v Speaker 1>smooch inducer mistletoe, which is generally referred to UH by

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<v Speaker 1>the species UH for Adendron flavicens or viscom album being

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<v Speaker 1>just two examples of the species. But it's a parasitic

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<v Speaker 1>plant that grows in or on trees, especially hardwood trees

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<v Speaker 1>such as apple and oak. There are some even though

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<v Speaker 1>a plenty tootles. There are three types. There are some

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<v Speaker 1>known species of mistletoe around the world. It invades the

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<v Speaker 1>tree with its roots which seep into the bark of

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<v Speaker 1>the host tree and suck water and nutrients out. So

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<v Speaker 1>it is a plant vampire and this can certainly harm

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<v Speaker 1>the host tree and cause branch deformities. But like with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of parasites, the goal here isn't to kill

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<v Speaker 1>the host. That usually works out bad for the parasite. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the parasite needs to live in or on

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<v Speaker 1>the host, so usually it doesn't You don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>kill it, right, However, mistletoe camproof fatal to the host

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<v Speaker 1>during times of drought, I've read because because one of

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<v Speaker 1>the host plant will have certain reactions in place to converserve,

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<v Speaker 1>to conserve moisture during times of drought, the paras the

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<v Speaker 1>parasitic mistletoe just continues to live it up with reckless

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<v Speaker 1>abandoned you know. So it would be you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>something somebody's stealing food out of your fridge and in

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<v Speaker 1>a time of famine and like they don't care. They're

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna keep eating the same portions. Right, You might

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<v Speaker 1>tighten your belt, but they're not gonna Yeah, mistletoe is

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<v Speaker 1>not going to tighten its belt. Now, Parasitic plants in

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<v Speaker 1>general are are fascinating. Oh. I was looking at a

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<v Speaker 1>book called How Plants Work, Form, Diversity and Survival from

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<v Speaker 1>Princeton University Press by the British botanist Stephen Blackmore, and

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<v Speaker 1>Blackmore writes that it's roughly about one percent of flowering

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<v Speaker 1>plants that are parasitic. Mistletoe is a flowering plant, and

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<v Speaker 1>of these, about two thirds or parasitic on the roots

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<v Speaker 1>of the host plants, so they'll be down in the roots,

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<v Speaker 1>underground or on the ground, and only about one third

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<v Speaker 1>or parasitic on the host stem. So mistletoe plants are

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<v Speaker 1>the weird of the weird. Not many plants are parasitic,

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<v Speaker 1>and not many of the parasitic plants operate up on

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<v Speaker 1>the stem or the trunk of the tree the way

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<v Speaker 1>mistletoe does. And so I think it's worth taking a

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<v Speaker 1>look at what kind of equipment this plant vampire uses

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<v Speaker 1>to drain the lifeblood of its host. Because uh, also, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, This struck sure that it uses to

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<v Speaker 1>pierce the tree is called a house story um. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a modified stem or root like structure that gives the

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<v Speaker 1>parasite access to the inside of the host plant. And

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<v Speaker 1>I get a strong feeling that if we were plants

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<v Speaker 1>looking at how story a growing into a tree, it

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<v Speaker 1>would be like a vomit inducing image, like like when

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<v Speaker 1>we actually look at a botfly burrowing into human flesh.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a fascinating parasitic penetration, and there are multiple

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<v Speaker 1>ways that can happen, so you've got these different kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of how storia. Sometimes parasitic plants just produce a single

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<v Speaker 1>large house story um which forms a kind of bulbous

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<v Speaker 1>tumor sinking into the surface of the host plant, with

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<v Speaker 1>multiple parasitic stems branching off. Sometimes they produce multiple house

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<v Speaker 1>storia which take over from the parasites traditional soil root

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<v Speaker 1>once the host has been acquired. And these how storia

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<v Speaker 1>are part of a general class called epic cortical roots.

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<v Speaker 1>Bark penetrating roots in the same way in normal plant

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<v Speaker 1>would put roots into the soil, this one has root

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<v Speaker 1>like structures that pierce the bark of the host plant

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<v Speaker 1>and stab and go down inside, so they puncture the

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<v Speaker 1>host plant, They grow inside, they breach the vascular tissue

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<v Speaker 1>of the host plant so they can steal nutrients and water,

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<v Speaker 1>and they sometimes even form networks of epicortical roots inside

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<v Speaker 1>the host plant. So to go with the vampire analogy,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't quite capture the full extent of the parasitism here.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to imagine a vampire. Okay, so vampire bites

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<v Speaker 1>your neck, Robert, but it doesn't just bite your neck

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<v Speaker 1>and suck your blood. Instead, it bites your neck and

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<v Speaker 1>then it's fangs begin to grow deep inside your body

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<v Speaker 1>and penetrate your veins and arteries and grow into maybe

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<v Speaker 1>networks or fang tunnels under your skin. And then maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the vampire also grows new fangs out of its chin

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<v Speaker 1>and out of its eyes, and his nipples and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that keep piercing you again and again. That's a rough image, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>for for plant audiences, this is an R rated feature,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe excerated, yeah, I mean essentially growing root like tendrils

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<v Speaker 1>into your body and cause, of course, into the plant.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the things that Blackmore points out in

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<v Speaker 1>his book is that many parasitic plants lack chlorophyll because

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<v Speaker 1>they're stealing energy from the host, so they don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to make their own food via photosynthesis, And this is

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<v Speaker 1>one reason parasitic plants are often in many beautiful colors.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't need the green pigment chlorophyll to absorb light

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<v Speaker 1>energy and kick off the chemical process of photosynthesis because

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<v Speaker 1>unlike most plants, they're not making all or any of

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<v Speaker 1>their own food. I've included a couple of pictures here

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<v Speaker 1>of other parasitic plants growing off of the stems of hosts,

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<v Speaker 1>like a parasitic climber known as daughter that is this

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful orange and blue and yellow. It looks it almost

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<v Speaker 1>looks not like a plant. But anyway, mistletoe is usually

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<v Speaker 1>an exception to this, right, Yeah, technically it's a Hinni

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<v Speaker 1>parasite parasite parasitic plant that is capable of some photosintse

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<v Speaker 1>at this like you said, so it's not as destructive

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<v Speaker 1>as other forms of plant parasites that simply drain the

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<v Speaker 1>host dry. There are plant parasites that are more in

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<v Speaker 1>the destroyer vein, but missiletoe tends to at least make

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<v Speaker 1>some of its own food via photosynthesis, though it very

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<v Speaker 1>species to species, and some species of missiletoe produce relatively

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<v Speaker 1>little food autotrophically, It just depends on which one you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. Now, we mentioned earlier that botanists are still

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<v Speaker 1>figuring out things about missiletoe and how it works, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, two thousand years after plenty and interestingly enough,

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<v Speaker 1>according to two separate studies that were published in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand eighteen in the journal Current Biology, the plant lacks

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<v Speaker 1>key cellular components that other organisms depend upon to convert

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<v Speaker 1>glucose into the energy carrying molecule a TP. It uses

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<v Speaker 1>alternative energy pathway which generate energy in a different part

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<v Speaker 1>of the cell. In other words, it lost respiratory capacity

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<v Speaker 1>in its evolution, something previously only observed in unicellular organism

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<v Speaker 1>in in single cell organisms. So, at least for now,

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<v Speaker 1>unless other discoveries are made, it is seemingly unique among

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<v Speaker 1>multicellular organisms. Basically, over the course of millions of years,

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<v Speaker 1>it remodeled the way that it generates energy at the

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<v Speaker 1>molecular level. Now, I think maybe it is time to

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick break, and when we come back we

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<v Speaker 1>will discuss some more interesting features of the missiletoe parasite

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<v Speaker 1>than alright, we're back. So here's another strange feature of

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<v Speaker 1>missiletoe that Blackmore writes about in his book that I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned a little bit ago. So Blackmore says that some

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<v Speaker 1>species of missiletoe exhibit a weird form of mimicry where

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<v Speaker 1>their leaves become similar in appearance to the leaves of

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<v Speaker 1>the host plant. So why would this be, right, It's

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<v Speaker 1>not like now you you can imagine uses of physical

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<v Speaker 1>mimicry in the animal world, right, like you've got ant

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<v Speaker 1>mimics that want to be able to blend in with

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of ants, or b mimics that want to

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<v Speaker 1>blend in, you know, you want to look like some

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<v Speaker 1>other animal. But the host plant in this relationship between

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<v Speaker 1>the parasitic plant and the host plant, like an oak,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have eyes to deceive, right, So one possi. So

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<v Speaker 1>people are wondering why would this happen. One possible explanation

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<v Speaker 1>here that Blackmore mentions seems to be the missiletoe is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to survive by blending in with a host plant

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<v Speaker 1>that has foul tasting leaves that herbivores don't like to eat,

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<v Speaker 1>when in fact, a grazing herbivore like maybe a deer

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<v Speaker 1>or a giraffe or something. It might try missiletoe and

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<v Speaker 1>find that the parasitic plant is in fact delicious. So

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<v Speaker 1>instead the parasite tends to try to blend in with

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<v Speaker 1>nasty or unpalatable host leaves by having leaves that look

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<v Speaker 1>the same. And that's that's just one possible explanation. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is interesting because I feel like when I see

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<v Speaker 1>missiletoe and actually identify missiletoe, it is because it is

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<v Speaker 1>painfully obvious in its location, such as it is the

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<v Speaker 1>one green thing growing uh in an a tree that

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<v Speaker 1>has lost its leaves for the winter, Yes, or its

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<v Speaker 1>stem structure is so obviously different, like the tree might

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<v Speaker 1>have thicker, sparser branches, and then the mistletoe is suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>this puff it looks like a tumble weed or something

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<v Speaker 1>many many smaller branches uh and uh. And so sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>trees can have natural structures that look like that, that

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<v Speaker 1>is the tree itself, like the witches broom phenomenon, where

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<v Speaker 1>a tree will produce what looks kind of like a

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<v Speaker 1>tumbleweed or some crazy tangle of of stems and branches

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<v Speaker 1>on part of it. And I think this is just

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<v Speaker 1>usually an indication that something is wrong with the tree,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is the tree itself doing it. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is interesting anyway because I feel the same way

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<v Speaker 1>you do. Usually, I feel like you can notice mistletoe

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<v Speaker 1>on a tree or parasitic plants on a tree in general,

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<v Speaker 1>because they look so different. Now, I feel like by

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<v Speaker 1>this point most people have seen some depiction of mistletoe.

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<v Speaker 1>There's probably one accompanying this episode at our landing page

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<v Speaker 1>on Stuff to your mind dot com. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen it, you've probably seen it in art, holiday decorations,

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<v Speaker 1>or again just hanging in your neighborhood. Mistletoe has pointy, green,

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<v Speaker 1>leatherly leaves, usually with with waxy berries that are either

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<v Speaker 1>red or white, and these berries are eaten by birds,

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<v Speaker 1>who then defecate in other trees, thus spreading the seeds.

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<v Speaker 1>But the seeds are also sticky, so they spread as

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<v Speaker 1>well when birds have to wipe their beaks on branches

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<v Speaker 1>to clean them off for their feet. Also. Yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>this connection with birds is interesting because in olden times

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<v Speaker 1>people actually thought the plant emerged from bird poop itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Plenty was saying that way, yeah, and then the name

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<v Speaker 1>only ripen in the stomachs of birds. Right, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is also reflected in the name of the planet itself.

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<v Speaker 1>The word mistletoe is derived from the Anglo Saxon word mistel,

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<v Speaker 1>which means dung in ton, which means twig. So missileton

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<v Speaker 1>is the Old English version of mistletoe. Oh that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So you so you do have a tradition of essentially

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<v Speaker 1>kissing under the sticky dung berries. Yeah, throughout the whole

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<v Speaker 1>episode like that. That's the thing I keep coming back to,

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<v Speaker 1>is that, uh, all these these ideas about the plant

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<v Speaker 1>and then the the identity of the planet itself, the

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<v Speaker 1>way the plant functions seems so at odd with this

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<v Speaker 1>quirky you just romantic tidbit that has just become not

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<v Speaker 1>a central detail of our holiday traditions, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at least, um, you know, an identifiable part of it. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as much as we want to associate missiletoe through our

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<v Speaker 1>traditions with with positivity and kissing and all that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fun stuff, you shouldn't be eating missiletoe. Don't put

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<v Speaker 1>it inside you, that's right. Humans should not hate the berries,

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<v Speaker 1>as they can make you ill, and we're talking severe

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<v Speaker 1>stomach cramps and diarrhea or even death. In some cases. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking up some stats on missiletoe toxicity, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I looked at a an article called Holiday Plants

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<v Speaker 1>with Toxic Misconceptions in the Western Journal of Emergency Medicine

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<v Speaker 1>by Zabrina Evans and Samuel Stealth flug Uh. So they

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<v Speaker 1>looked at two different common missiletoe plants that people use

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<v Speaker 1>as decorations. One is American missiletoe, which is for a

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<v Speaker 1>dendron seratonin um, and then European missiletoe, which is viscom

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<v Speaker 1>album and both are potentially toxic and slightly different ways.

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<v Speaker 1>American missiletoe produces for a toxin, a tox album in,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is toxic to humans, but most small ingestions

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<v Speaker 1>don't produce much of a reaction. European missiletoe is relatively

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<v Speaker 1>more toxic. It contains visco toxins, which quote inhibits cellular synthesis,

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<v Speaker 1>thereby affecting cells with rapid turnover like gastro intestinal mucosa.

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<v Speaker 1>So the mucus in your gut, in your digestive system,

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<v Speaker 1>needs to rapidly produce new cells. This inhibits that, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's probably one reason you get reports of gastro intestinal

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<v Speaker 1>distress after people eat it quote after a latent period

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<v Speaker 1>of several hours. Clinical effects from visco toxins can develop

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<v Speaker 1>and are primarily gastro intestinal upset, with potential necrotic lesions

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<v Speaker 1>resulting in slough thing of the gastro intestinal tract, brady cardia, delirium,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as toxicity the liver, central nervous system, kidney,

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<v Speaker 1>and adrenals can also occur, although the incidence is not known. Uh. Fortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>most cases of ingestion of missiletoe in the literature do

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<v Speaker 1>not result in death. But you still should probably avoid

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<v Speaker 1>consuming it, and you really do not want to make

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<v Speaker 1>missiletoe tease because it seems like that's where the danger

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<v Speaker 1>gets super gets gets real, right, and and so obviously

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<v Speaker 1>one of the problems here too would be if you

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<v Speaker 1>keep missiletoe in your home, you would potentially have to

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<v Speaker 1>worry about children or pets getting ahold of the berries.

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<v Speaker 1>So um, it's interesting what you said earlier about about

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<v Speaker 1>how to effects cells, because it's interesting that some experiments

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<v Speaker 1>have revealed potential medicinal uses for the plant, including work

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<v Speaker 1>from the University of Adelaide and that explored the use

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<v Speaker 1>of the plants extract in battling colon cancer. Oh yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In particular, they found that the ash tree missiletoe plant

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<v Speaker 1>fraccini was more effective in battling colon cancer cells than chemotherapy.

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<v Speaker 1>Scientists are still looking into it, of course, but mistletoe

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<v Speaker 1>extract remains a popular alternative treatment for cancer in many areas,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's been widely studied, and it is apparently

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<v Speaker 1>prescribed in Europe with reportedly few side effects. But there

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<v Speaker 1>is currently no FDA approved missiletoe cancer treatment in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. But of course, on the other hand, missiletoe

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<v Speaker 1>has been a part of human magic uh and and

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<v Speaker 1>magical thinking and magical potions and traditional healing regiments for

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<v Speaker 1>quite some time. For instance, it does show up in

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<v Speaker 1>traditional Chinese medicine as huji shun uh where, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is a basically dried leaves and stems of a variety

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<v Speaker 1>of missiletoe, and it's used to treat a variety of ailments. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it comes up with all kinds of stuff. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I think maybe it's time to play our favorite game show.

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<v Speaker 1>Weird Old letters to Medical Journal. Do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>go down this road with me? Yea? How far back

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<v Speaker 1>are we going? Nineteen o four. So February nineteen o

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<v Speaker 1>four there's a British officer station in Calcutta named Lieutenant

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<v Speaker 1>Colonel George Ranking, and he wrote a letter to the

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<v Speaker 1>Lancet about missiletoe. And in this letter he quoted from

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<v Speaker 1>a translation of a Persian medical text he had encountered

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<v Speaker 1>called the and I might not be pronouncing this right,

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<v Speaker 1>the Makazanu lad Mia, which means the storehouse of medicines.

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<v Speaker 1>And this text discussed the medical uses of missiletoe, saying

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<v Speaker 1>things like quote, it is effectual in purging away the

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<v Speaker 1>black bile and mucus humors. A few ways you would

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<v Speaker 1>use it include quote with turpentine and wax, it is

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<v Speaker 1>used for the ripening of boils, pustular eruptions of mucus origin,

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<v Speaker 1>and phligmatic tumors. Also for softening the joints. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>want them softened? I'm not quite sure what that means. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to hardened. I guess that's true. Yeah. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote with arsenic and pitch it is used to extract

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<v Speaker 1>the nails. And with quicklime and grape juice and honey

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<v Speaker 1>it is used to make the nails grow again. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not quite sure that it's extracting the nails. Um, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just having had some of my nails extracted before. I

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<v Speaker 1>would assume it might have to do with say, ingrown

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<v Speaker 1>nails and grown toe nails and whatnot. That might be

0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:30.880
<v Speaker 1>a case we would need to extract something and then

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:35.119
<v Speaker 1>afterwards like hope for some level of appropriate regrowth. Okay,

0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:38.119
<v Speaker 1>here's one. A decoction of it in lime water is

0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 1>useful for removing swellings of the spleen, while a paste

0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:43.960
<v Speaker 1>of it made with lime is a means of removing

0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:47.399
<v Speaker 1>induration of the spleen, and is also useful in drawing

0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 1>out gross humors from the depths of the body. But

0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:52.920
<v Speaker 1>the authors also say it is injurious to the heart.

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:56.600
<v Speaker 1>And then finally quote when mistletoe berries are cooked with

0:25:56.640 --> 0:26:01.760
<v Speaker 1>honey syrup of dates and sapistan and made into long,

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:04.639
<v Speaker 1>fine threads. It is put on the surface of trees

0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:07.399
<v Speaker 1>when any bird that settles sticks to the tree and

0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:11.440
<v Speaker 1>is caught. It's birdlime. Again, glue traps for birds. That

0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:13.920
<v Speaker 1>that's that's pretty sick, right, And it does, of course

0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:16.159
<v Speaker 1>tie in with the sticky property of of the berries

0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:19.320
<v Speaker 1>that we discussed earlier. Now, all of this is very

0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:24.720
<v Speaker 1>fascinating because, on one hand, we do see medical professionals

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:30.920
<v Speaker 1>identifying potential applications here, essentially saying that there is an

0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:34.600
<v Speaker 1>effect on cells, and in particular on cancer cells. It

0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:38.679
<v Speaker 1>seems that may prove useful in the long run. On

0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 1>the other hand, we don't seem to fully understand Yeah,

0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:43.040
<v Speaker 1>we don't seem to fully understand it. It's again, there's

0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:48.120
<v Speaker 1>no FDA approved medication uh as of this publication that

0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:52.120
<v Speaker 1>derives from mistletoe. But on the other hand, we also

0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:54.919
<v Speaker 1>have all of these traditional uses of it. And with

0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:57.240
<v Speaker 1>the traditional uses, I feel like it may come back

0:26:57.240 --> 0:26:59.560
<v Speaker 1>to something we've discussed in the past that the the

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:04.400
<v Speaker 1>some thing is happening uh situation, where As we've discussed

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:07.240
<v Speaker 1>consuming these can make you feel ill, can make you

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 1>feel a little weird, like something is happening inside you

0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:15.680
<v Speaker 1>and it is Yeah, yeah, it gave me diarrhea. Something's happening, right,

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 1>And in doing that it it certainly purged you of

0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 1>well something that it purge you of what was actually

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:24.160
<v Speaker 1>ailing you. Did it or did it just give you

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:28.080
<v Speaker 1>this incentive to to lean into the magical thinking of

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:31.360
<v Speaker 1>the potion or elixir or tea or whatever was prepared

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:36.000
<v Speaker 1>for you by the magician or druid or so whothsayer.

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:38.560
<v Speaker 1>All right, well, on that note, we're gonna take one

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:41.480
<v Speaker 1>more break. When we come back. We're going to dive

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:45.160
<v Speaker 1>into some of the mythology of missiletoe and indeed get

0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:48.040
<v Speaker 1>back to that question of why is it hanging around

0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:52.679
<v Speaker 1>at Christmas time? Than all right, we're back, So I

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 1>think it's time to refresh on that passage from Old

0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Plenty and talk about the ritual of oakan oak and missiletoe. Okay,

0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:02.399
<v Speaker 1>so Old Plenty of the Elder says about the ritual

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:04.800
<v Speaker 1>of oak and mistletoe. He says, the druids are the

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:07.520
<v Speaker 1>priests or the magicians of the galls. He says, the

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 1>druids hold sacred both mistletoe and the hard oak trees

0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:13.679
<v Speaker 1>that it grows on. Heart oak leaves are necessary for

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:17.119
<v Speaker 1>druid rites and spells. Uh. The Druids think that anything

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 1>growing on a hard oak is sent down from heaven.

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:23.240
<v Speaker 1>When the Druids fine mistletoe growing on a hard oak,

0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 1>which he says is pretty rare, I don't know how

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:28.359
<v Speaker 1>rare it actually is, they hold a ceremony which is

0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:30.960
<v Speaker 1>also timed with cycles of the moon and thirty year

0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:34.560
<v Speaker 1>in intervals. So they hold a banquet beneath the trees.

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:37.720
<v Speaker 1>They show up with two white bulls and bind their horns.

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:41.200
<v Speaker 1>A priest dressed in white climbs the tree cuts the

0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:44.560
<v Speaker 1>mistletoe with a golden sickle. And I should note I

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:49.280
<v Speaker 1>looked up viscoum album the native European stuff, uh species

0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 1>of mistletoe, and it does often seem to have a

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:54.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of green, gold or golden color. So I wonder

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 1>if that there's any association with a golden sickle. Uh.

0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Then so he cuts it. The mistletoe falls into a

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 1>white cloak. Below. They kill the bowls while praying to

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 1>their god, and then quote they believe that mistletoe given

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:11.560
<v Speaker 1>in drink will impart fertility to any animal that is barren,

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 1>and that it is an antidote for all poisons. So

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:18.080
<v Speaker 1>powerful is the superstition in regard to trifling matters that

0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 1>frequently prevails among the races of mankind. He's just kind

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 1>of like insulting them at the end there does he

0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:28.600
<v Speaker 1>say that about Roman rituals, Well, I mean Roman rituals.

0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>I guess at the time where the it was the

0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:34.960
<v Speaker 1>bleeding edge of cultural advancement. Yeah, those are the rational rituals,

0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 1>or at least that's what the entrails of the bird

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 1>told him. I'm sure, yeah, okay, But so they believe

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 1>that it will give fertility when you're infertile, and that

0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:47.440
<v Speaker 1>it will cure all poisons. Now the association here with

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:50.720
<v Speaker 1>the idea of fertility does give you some kind of lake.

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:54.240
<v Speaker 1>You know. I wonder if the the idea that it

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:59.239
<v Speaker 1>would make animals and presumably humans also fertile, could be

0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:02.640
<v Speaker 1>a could be a link to the kissing, could be right,

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:05.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, something going on there that does seem to

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 1>because because the fertility, and then also some ideas that

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:11.800
<v Speaker 1>it's an aphrodisiac. Uh. These these are recurring themes and

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>some of these older traditions that I believe have been

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 1>like the main the only thing that's really remained after

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:21.400
<v Speaker 1>they've been boiled down by popular culture. Uh. Here, here's

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:24.760
<v Speaker 1>another example of sort of the mythic meat that has

0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:27.680
<v Speaker 1>been boiled away from the bones of the tradition, and

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:31.160
<v Speaker 1>that has to do with the role of mistletoe in

0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 1>the death of the Norse god balder So. I was

0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:36.960
<v Speaker 1>reading in Dictionary of Nature Myths Legends of the Earth, Sea,

0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>and Sky by Tamara Andrews, and she talks a bit

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:43.800
<v Speaker 1>about the death of the Norse god Balder, the god

0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 1>of light, son of Odin and Frigate. And he was

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 1>he was a being of just beauty and light, white hair,

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:53.960
<v Speaker 1>born on the winter solstice uh, and the winter solstice

0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 1>here being the beginning of the Sun's journey towards maximum brightness.

0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:01.680
<v Speaker 1>But then he dies on the summer solstice, the day

0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 1>of the sun's peak brightness, but the beginning of its

0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:08.520
<v Speaker 1>fade toward winter. So his uh, his birth is the

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:11.360
<v Speaker 1>thing that brings us out of the cold, and then

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 1>his death is the thing that that that dooms us

0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 1>to descent back into winter. And you know, this is

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 1>the kind of seasonal UH motif that we've seen a

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of old myths and a huge number of ancient

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 1>religions have strong connections to the idea that the passing

0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:30.920
<v Speaker 1>of the seasons UH. And then you know, there's always

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 1>been this interpretive idea that the UH that like a

0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 1>god who dies and is reborn or descends into the

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:40.320
<v Speaker 1>underworld and comes back up, has something to do with

0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 1>like the winter, spring summer cycle. Right. And then of

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 1>course our holiday traditions, Christmas traditions, what have you. These

0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 1>are all intrinsically tied to these ideas as well, the

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 1>things we must do, the traditions and rights that will

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:58.240
<v Speaker 1>sustain us through the time of cold death. Uh, through

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 1>the darkness and back into light on the other side.

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 1>So but but let's get back to Balder here. So

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Balder dreamt of his own death and yeah, of plots

0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:11.040
<v Speaker 1>against him. But luckily his his mother is a powerful god.

0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she's the god of love. And so of

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 1>what Frigate did is she she sent out a message

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 1>to all the plants, the animals, even the diseases of

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:23.479
<v Speaker 1>the world, and she said, look, my son's off limits, right,

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 1>He's having dreams about people trying to kill him and

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 1>plots against him. So I'm just stay away, stay away,

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:32.120
<v Speaker 1>off limits. Uh. And then all the plants, animals and

0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:34.960
<v Speaker 1>diseases are right right on. What are the other plants

0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:37.520
<v Speaker 1>that would be threatening him? Or is there where there

0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:39.960
<v Speaker 1>like killer trees at the time. I mean, I guess

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 1>the tree can fall on you and stuff too. Okay,

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:45.480
<v Speaker 1>they're thorns. I mean she's probably covering a lot of

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 1>ground here. There are a lot of animals that were

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:51.160
<v Speaker 1>probably not going to kill a god either. But but

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:54.959
<v Speaker 1>as but then again, as we'll see here, um this

0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 1>this might this might seem like a ridiculous level of protection,

0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 1>even for a mother god, but but perhaps not considering

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 1>somebody that was working against him. Yeah, yeah, none other

0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 1>than Loki. Oh, it would be just like Loki to

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 1>like six some rabbits or daffodils to kill you. Yeah,

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 1>so Loki does get involved. But but at any rate,

0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 1>this is what happens. Depending on the version that you're reading.

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 1>She either forgets to tell Mistletoe that her son is

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 1>off limits and then he shouldn't die, or in some versions,

0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:30.680
<v Speaker 1>since mistletoe is a plant without roots in the earth,

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 1>it could not hear her command, and I like that

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 1>version better. And so what happens is the god Loki

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:41.720
<v Speaker 1>tricks the blind god Holder into hurling a fistful of

0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 1>mistletoe at Balder's heart, killing him dead. And I was

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 1>looking this up. I found some artistic depictions of this

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 1>that look less like a bundle like, because when I

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 1>read that, I'm imagining like a big wad of mistletoe

0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:58.560
<v Speaker 1>hurled like a baseball into Balder's heart. And I've seen

0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 1>some interesting depictions of this where where Loki is whispering

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 1>to hold her and then Holder just drives the how story, um,

0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:09.680
<v Speaker 1>this like two pronged death root straight through Balder's heart

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:11.960
<v Speaker 1>and out the other side. So like breaks off the

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:15.120
<v Speaker 1>fang of the plant vampire and uses it to kill

0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:18.840
<v Speaker 1>the god of light Balder in this painting or drawing,

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what this this this image you've got here.

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:23.759
<v Speaker 1>What it looks to me is like Loki is like

0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:27.879
<v Speaker 1>making out with Holder and they've both got their hand

0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:31.000
<v Speaker 1>on this little two forked thing that's going straight through Balder,

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:34.160
<v Speaker 1>and Balder is like, no, he's got a real death

0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 1>face going on in this image. I'll try to remember

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:39.240
<v Speaker 1>to put this on the landing page for this episode

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 1>is stuff to blow your mind dot Com, hopefully with

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 1>a little extra information about where it came from. But so, yeah,

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:47.360
<v Speaker 1>what happens here is that Balder dies and the sun declines,

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 1>and while the Sun eventually comes back, Balder does not,

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 1>for the lords of the Underworld only agreed to his

0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:57.400
<v Speaker 1>resurrection if everyone on Earth wept for him, and the

0:34:57.400 --> 0:35:02.919
<v Speaker 1>thing is everyone did except for Loki. So Balder will

0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 1>not return to the Earth until Ragnarok Loki, the original troll. Yeah,

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:10.200
<v Speaker 1>and so here we see, you know, more of the

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:14.080
<v Speaker 1>symbolic role of mistletoe here in the mythic understanding of

0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:17.560
<v Speaker 1>winter in Norse traditions. And by the way, this is

0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:21.719
<v Speaker 1>also a reason that some Norse traditions held mistletoe had

0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:25.320
<v Speaker 1>the power to resurrect the dead. Now wait a minute,

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:29.160
<v Speaker 1>we so I love that legend, but what does that

0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 1>have to do with kissing? Are we getting any closer

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:34.960
<v Speaker 1>to figuring out why there's kissing under the mistletoe underneath

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:39.239
<v Speaker 1>the god slaying parasitic tree route. Well, you know, there

0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:42.439
<v Speaker 1>are other traditions that we should probably touch on, such

0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:44.719
<v Speaker 1>as the old French tradition that the plant is is

0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 1>now cursed to never find purchase on earth soil because

0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:50.520
<v Speaker 1>it was once a variety of tree, and that tree

0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 1>was used to construct the cross upon which Jesus was crucified,

0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:57.959
<v Speaker 1>which you know, it seems a bit a bit cruel

0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 1>to blame the tree for that. Jesus himself sometimes blame tree.

0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:05.240
<v Speaker 1>You're the cursing of the fig tree. I have forgotten

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 1>what what was Jesus beef with figs? Well, he goes

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:10.279
<v Speaker 1>by a fig tree and it doesn't have figs because

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:12.600
<v Speaker 1>figs weren't in season, and he gets mad at the

0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:15.239
<v Speaker 1>tree and he curses it and withers it. Oh, man,

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:17.840
<v Speaker 1>I think it's it's like an allegory. I think for

0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:20.320
<v Speaker 1>about like people who I don't know. It's been a

0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:22.280
<v Speaker 1>while since I read the story. I think it's about people,

0:36:22.360 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>not you know, bearing good fruit in the spiritual sense. Okay,

0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:28.200
<v Speaker 1>I should I should read that because I'm I have

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:30.239
<v Speaker 1>a fig tree, and sometimes I curse it for the

0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:33.560
<v Speaker 1>way it behaves really, but generally it gives me. It

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 1>gives me figs in the end, so uh, to refresh.

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:39.239
<v Speaker 1>We've talked about some of these traditions that place mistletoe

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:42.480
<v Speaker 1>firmly in winter and is a part of winter traditions,

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 1>and and again we also come back to the idea

0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:48.480
<v Speaker 1>that missiletoe is often seen thriving in lifeless winter trees. Uh.

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 1>And there's one in my neighborhood that does this. It's

0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:52.880
<v Speaker 1>it's over a road, so I hope there aren't too

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 1>many people trying to just smooth under it. But but

0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I see it pretty frequently. And then we have these

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:01.799
<v Speaker 1>other traditions that push it more toward the area of

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:05.240
<v Speaker 1>sex in life. Africa again was the goddess of love,

0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 1>and some traditions claim that the berries were aphrodisiacs that

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:12.880
<v Speaker 1>they would enhance uh, you know, sexual activity and desire. Uh.

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of weird given the symptoms we looked at. Well,

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:18.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe just a small dose with a splash

0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:21.080
<v Speaker 1>of magical thinking would do the trick. But but hopefully

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:25.279
<v Speaker 1>you don't want full on diarrhea um before you, you know,

0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:28.680
<v Speaker 1>seek out your love. When I get that feeling, I

0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:33.239
<v Speaker 1>need intestinal slough. And now when we come to our

0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:36.359
<v Speaker 1>modern traditions with missiletoe, generally the version we hear is

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<v Speaker 1>that like two people who are dating or married or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>that they kiss under the missiletoe. Uh. And that's about it, right,

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:46.200
<v Speaker 1>It's just this cute thing that you do. Um. But

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:49.360
<v Speaker 1>some traditions require the male kisser to remove a berry

0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:52.279
<v Speaker 1>with each kiss. So these are kind of just thinking

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:54.759
<v Speaker 1>dungeons and dragons terms. I'm thinking these each berry is

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:58.359
<v Speaker 1>like a magical charge on the plant, and once they're gone,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no more kissing. Other traditions frame it is more

0:38:01.480 --> 0:38:04.919
<v Speaker 1>of a bit of relationship good luck. I see. Well, wait,

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:06.960
<v Speaker 1>what do you do with the berries. When you remove them,

0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:08.799
<v Speaker 1>do you have to eat them with each kiss or

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 1>you just throw them on the ground. They didn't specify.

0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:13.080
<v Speaker 1>I guess you just chunk them and and hope nobody

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:15.279
<v Speaker 1>picking up children pick it up and eat it. Oh,

0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I know. Maybe it's a way of combining the process

0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:23.399
<v Speaker 1>of kissing and making bird lime. Maybe so. Now, other

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:25.600
<v Speaker 1>traditions say that you can put it under your pillow

0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:27.719
<v Speaker 1>if you're a maiden, and then you will dream of

0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:30.759
<v Speaker 1>your true love. And meanwhile, in other traditions it was

0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:34.040
<v Speaker 1>seen as a sort of designator of holy ground. So

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:36.800
<v Speaker 1>in other words, the leaders of say two warring forces

0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:42.359
<v Speaker 1>might meet beneath the mistletoe and parlay or just just talk,

0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:44.520
<v Speaker 1>though the kissing is optional. I mean, if things go

0:38:44.600 --> 0:38:46.880
<v Speaker 1>really well, then yes, maybe they could be kissing. But

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:48.759
<v Speaker 1>otherwise this would be the kind of place where you

0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:53.200
<v Speaker 1>would just discuss in safety, some manner of truce. So

0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:56.879
<v Speaker 1>what have you exchange of captives? I can't help, of course,

0:38:56.880 --> 0:39:00.760
<v Speaker 1>but think to the scenes in in Highlander where where

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Connor McLeod meets the Kurgan and they can meet in

0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:06.000
<v Speaker 1>holy ground, they can meet in a church and it's

0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 1>totally cool. All the Kurgan can do is just you know,

0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:12.600
<v Speaker 1>be awful to everybody. We can't actually try and cut

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Connor's head off, but we know there's a quickening soon

0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:17.319
<v Speaker 1>to be had, right, But they could have met under

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:19.960
<v Speaker 1>the missiletoe. It sounds like maybe that's something that's explored

0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:22.319
<v Speaker 1>in the television series, and we'll hear about it from

0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:25.399
<v Speaker 1>Highlander TV fans out there. You know, I've also seen

0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:29.080
<v Speaker 1>that suggested that this tradition of kissing under the missiletoe

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:34.200
<v Speaker 1>somehow comes from the missiletoe's association with Saturnalia, the sort

0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:37.759
<v Speaker 1>of winter Roman festival of wild revelry and you know,

0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:40.880
<v Speaker 1>no rules kind of stuff. Oh yeah, okay, so it's

0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:44.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a chaos plant as well. Yeah, I

0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:48.960
<v Speaker 1>mean Saturnalia involved a lot of reversals of things. One

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:52.080
<v Speaker 1>of these many festivals where like the master would serve

0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:55.920
<v Speaker 1>his slaves, there would be uh, you know, gambling was

0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:58.960
<v Speaker 1>legal and that kind of thing. So beneath the missiletoe,

0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:03.840
<v Speaker 1>the fool made kiss the princess and it is okay, yes, okay, alright,

0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:05.560
<v Speaker 1>So that that that's the weird thing with it. With

0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:08.160
<v Speaker 1>the modern tradition, we just see all of these various

0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:11.839
<v Speaker 1>ideas about missiletoe kind of just smashing into each other

0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:14.799
<v Speaker 1>and there's very little left at the end of it,

0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 1>but it's it's still something that sticks with us. Well,

0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:19.759
<v Speaker 1>it's frustrating because I feel like we don't really have

0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:22.239
<v Speaker 1>a firm answer to the question of where does the

0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:24.520
<v Speaker 1>kissing under the missiletoe come from? Right, There's just a

0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:27.680
<v Speaker 1>lot of kind of ideas, but we don't really know, right.

0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:30.480
<v Speaker 1>But I do feel like the nature of the examples

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:33.120
<v Speaker 1>we looked at it kind of allows us to triangulate,

0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:37.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, where where where this tradition comes from. You know,

0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:41.279
<v Speaker 1>a dash of of of of of the the god

0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 1>ordained here, a dash of of reversal here, and a

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:51.880
<v Speaker 1>dash of magical afrodisiac and uh uh, you know reproductive

0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:58.839
<v Speaker 1>elixir here, right, ritual sexual sloughing, yes, And then we're

0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:02.440
<v Speaker 1>left with what the left of our modern missiletoe tradition.

0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:04.719
<v Speaker 1>But one thing for sure is we've certainly gotten away

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:08.040
<v Speaker 1>from the darker aspects of missiletoe, not all the time,

0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:10.319
<v Speaker 1>like sometimes I think it's still used as a as

0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:14.320
<v Speaker 1>a good indicator of evil and ruin. Yeah. Well, and

0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:16.680
<v Speaker 1>we can find a great example of that in the

0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:19.719
<v Speaker 1>works of William Shakespeare. Oh yeah, who's gonna read this

0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 1>quote from ty to Sandronicus? Is it me or you? Oh?

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:26.040
<v Speaker 1>We could split it up. Okay, I'll go first. Have

0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:29.279
<v Speaker 1>I not reason, thank you to look pale? These two

0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:33.160
<v Speaker 1>have ticed me hither to this place, a barren, detested veil.

0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:37.000
<v Speaker 1>You see, it is the trees, though summer yet forlorn

0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:41.320
<v Speaker 1>and lean or come with moss and baleful missiletoe. Here

0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:45.360
<v Speaker 1>never shines the sun. Here nothing breeds unless the nightly

0:41:45.440 --> 0:41:49.200
<v Speaker 1>owl or fatal raven. And when they'd showed me this

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:52.600
<v Speaker 1>abhorred pit, they told me here at dead time of

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:56.879
<v Speaker 1>the night, a thousand fiends, a thousand hissing snakes, ten

0:41:56.960 --> 0:42:01.080
<v Speaker 1>thousands swelling toads, as many urchins would make such fearful

0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:05.040
<v Speaker 1>and confused cries, as any mortal body hearing it should

0:42:05.080 --> 0:42:10.040
<v Speaker 1>straight fall mad or else die suddenly. Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas, everybody.

0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:14.880
<v Speaker 1>There's shure, there's sure your your mistletoe. Folks, Well, you know,

0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:20.320
<v Speaker 1>I think part of truly appreciating Western American holiday traditions

0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:24.360
<v Speaker 1>is again to to to realize all of the deeper

0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 1>and really often darker mythological undertones that we've mostly swept

0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 1>under the red and white rug. Why is that rug

0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:35.759
<v Speaker 1>so red and white to begin with? I mean, it's

0:42:35.800 --> 0:42:39.200
<v Speaker 1>the color of snowy, death and blood. Um, But you know,

0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:41.920
<v Speaker 1>it brings me back to that. There's a line from

0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Terry Pratchett's The hog Father, which is an hilarious book

0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:49.759
<v Speaker 1>Christmas book. They made a fun TV version of it

0:42:49.880 --> 0:42:51.880
<v Speaker 1>years back, and it's one of these where the hog Father,

0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 1>the Discworld's version of Santa Claus h is taken away,

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:59.160
<v Speaker 1>something happens to him and death himself. The grim Reaper

0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:03.160
<v Speaker 1>voice Ian Richardson has to jump in and play the

0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:07.240
<v Speaker 1>role of the hog Father for like cosmic purposes, because

0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:10.760
<v Speaker 1>the hog Father must do his job so that spring

0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:13.799
<v Speaker 1>may return again, so that the world can continue. But

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:17.360
<v Speaker 1>in the intro of the narrator points out that that

0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:20.040
<v Speaker 1>all of our our stories, all of our traditions are

0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:24.480
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