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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This is episode number two hundred,

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Speaker 1: Yes to zero zero, and today we've got a show

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Speaker 1: that lives up to that big number as we've pulled

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Speaker 1: together three of the very best d I Y white

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Speaker 1: tail bow hunters I know for an in depth panel

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Speaker 1: discussion on what it takes to become a truly great

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Speaker 1: deer hunt. All right, folks, welcome to the Wired to

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sitka Gear, and today

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Speaker 1: is our two hundred episode. Um. Yeah, we I launched

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Speaker 1: the wire Hunt podcast. I think it was in the

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Speaker 1: spring of two thousand fourteen. So we're approaching our fourth

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Speaker 1: during the season doing two episodes a week. We've we've

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Speaker 1: slowly made our way to two hundred. So first and foremost, Dan,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with me for a lot of

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Speaker 1: those You've This has been fun. Yeah, dude, I didn't

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Speaker 1: realize what this was going to entail, and now that

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Speaker 1: you say four years, it makes me look back and

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Speaker 1: to h to the shed hunt that we had, right,

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Speaker 1: and You're like, dude, I'm gonna start a podcast. Do

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Speaker 1: you want to be the co host? And I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll do that. And here we are today. A lot

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Speaker 1: has changed. Huh, that's right, A lot has changed. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And um, when we had our one hundredth episode, and

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Speaker 1: that episode, we did a panel discussion with three different

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Speaker 1: kind of big name deer hunters. So we had Leilakowski

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Speaker 1: from The Crush TV, we had Dr Grant Woods from

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Speaker 1: Growing Deer TV, and we had Bill Winkie from Midwest

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Speaker 1: White Tail. And my idea for that podcast what we

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Speaker 1: did was we had all three of them on and

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Speaker 1: then I asked them a handful of of really you know,

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Speaker 1: sometimes often debated questions related deer hunting, and then got

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Speaker 1: the three of them to offer all their own perspectives

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Speaker 1: and debate a little bit on all those things. And

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Speaker 1: that turned out to be a pretty cool one. So

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Speaker 1: I thought, now, fast forward another hundred episodes later to

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Speaker 1: do something similar. So today we're gonna do another panel discussion,

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Speaker 1: but instead of having a bunch of big name deer hunters.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to get together a collection of some of

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Speaker 1: the very best deer hunters that fly under the radar.

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Speaker 1: So today we've got three absolute killer d I Y

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Speaker 1: same questions that we asked the guys back an episode

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Speaker 1: one hundred, but we're gonna get a d I Y perspective,

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Speaker 1: and then I'm also gonna ask you know, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: get some different questions in there too that are relevant

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Speaker 1: to the way these guys hunt. But all three of

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Speaker 1: these guys hunt a lot of heavily pressured ground, they

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Speaker 1: hunt public ground, um, they hunt stuff, they got permission

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Speaker 1: on small pieces, public pieces, and they do it the

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Speaker 1: been on the podcast in the past and one new guest.

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Speaker 1: So we have Andy May with us again. And uh

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Speaker 1: Andy joined us down in New Orleans for our live

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Speaker 1: podcast at the Quality Deer Management Association Convention this past summer.

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Speaker 1: So and he's back and he's one of the very

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Speaker 1: And then we've got Joe L. Singer, who is out

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Speaker 1: I'm just really stoked for this conversation. Um. But before

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Speaker 1: relating to what I'm going through as a dad with

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Speaker 1: a kid of your own. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of

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Speaker 1: Hopefully it's gonna be a good thing. Potentially everyone's gonna

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Speaker 1: on an iTunes review, So it's only gonna get worse.

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Speaker 1: But um, but all joking aside. It's it's something that

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Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna live it and we're gonna share it.

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Speaker 1: And uh yeah, man, Uh two weeks early, my little

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Speaker 1: And uh I know he as much as I love you, buddy,

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Speaker 1: we didn't name him after you, but but we'll let

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Speaker 1: you believe that because he's named after his uh his grandpa.

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Speaker 1: My wife's dad's name is dan Um. But yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: oh it's snippy. Oh, Dan Johnson, Yeah, I think that's

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Speaker 1: my maximum effective range on that day, I let one fly,

427
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Speaker 1: hitting him square and finishing with one lethal shot, and

428
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Speaker 1: just like that, my Spring Turkey season was wrapped on Kyle.

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Speaker 1: So he was wearing sick as Fanatic hoodie. If you'd

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Speaker 1: like to create a sick of story of your own,

431
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Speaker 1: or to learn more about Sitka's technical hunting apparel, visit

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Speaker 1: sitka gear dot com. All right, and and real quick

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Speaker 1: here before we get to this interview, I just have

434
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: to say that pulling off a five person conference call

435
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: podcast interview over the internet, uh, it's it's a little tricky.

436
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 1: And I unfortunately I'm telling you this because we had

437
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Speaker 1: some technical difficulties with this one. And someday, if the

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Speaker 1: stars aligned and I make it big and I all

439
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: of a sudden have the funds to to fly everybody

440
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: in here in person to do these interviews here. That

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00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: will make things a lot easier. That'd be really nice.

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00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: But until then, I'm gonna have to keep hillbilly rigging

443
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: it like I am right now and do this across

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Speaker 1: phone lines and the internet. And so what happens here,

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00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: unfortunately is that Dan got dropped off the line mysteriously.

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00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: So so Dan's gone. And then we also have some

447
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: weird little audio issues, some weird noises occasionally, some weird

448
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: clicks and pops. Um, it's a little it might be

449
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: just a touch distracting at times, but it won't be

450
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: so bad that you can't take in all of the

451
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: information and good stuff that these guys have to offer.

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00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 1: And Manna, the perspectives that these three hunters share I

453
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: enjoyed so much. I really do think everyone can learn

454
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: something from these guys in this conversation. So I'm really

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Speaker 1: excited for you to enjoy it. So apologies again for

456
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of these audio issues. Thanks to your patients,

457
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: and enough of me. Let's get right to it alright

458
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: with us now on the line is all sorts of

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Speaker 1: people we have got Joe l singer Andy may and

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Speaker 1: Jesse Coots. And I'm not going to ask them each

461
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: to introduce themselves. I'm actually gonna try to throw things

462
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: around here a little bit since we're doing this panel discussion,

463
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: and since it's all kind of started from an idea

464
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: that my buddy Andy had, I want Andy to kick

465
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: us off here, because Mr Mayor, you had this idea

466
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: of putting together these d I Y deer hunter profiles,

467
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: and you went out and found these different guys that

468
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: are just tremendous deer hunters from across the country that

469
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Speaker 1: do it the hard way, and you went out and

470
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: you interviewed them and you put together these great blog

471
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: posts for us. And so that's kind of why we're

472
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: here now today because all three of you guys on

473
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Speaker 1: the line now have been a part of that profile series.

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Speaker 1: And Andy, since you found a lot of these guys,

475
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: are knew a lot of these guys. I was hoping

476
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: you could just introduce us briefly, uh, to who else

477
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Speaker 1: we have on the line here, to Joe and Jesse.

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Speaker 1: So can you give us a quick cliff notes on

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00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: who Joe is and then who Jesse is? Yeah? Oh man,

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00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: these two guys I'll tell you Joe L. Singer, Um,

481
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: he uh frequent a forum called The Hunting Beasts that

482
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: I also get on once in a while. And I

483
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: think everybody knows you know, the Hunting Beasts. Well, it's

484
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: known for being a group of hardcore hunters, mostly d

485
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: I Y type hunters. Lots of public land, lots of

486
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: high pressured private land. Um, you know, just the hardcore

487
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: guys that just live and breathe this stuff. And um,

488
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: Joe is uh, I mean he's a standout over there. Um.

489
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: Just his experience and his knowledge of white tails, um,

490
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: and just how far he takes his his scouting and

491
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: his preparation. Um. I mean it's it's unmatched. It actually

492
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: blows my mind. And and I I put in a

493
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: lot of time. Um, and you know, Joe just he

494
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: he doesn't leave anything to chance, you know, I mean

495
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: he he makes his own success. And it just kind

496
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: of blows my mind every year how successful he is.

497
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: I mean two three, you know, sometimes four bucks a year, Um,

498
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: you know, doing it the hard way, and just a

499
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Speaker 1: guy I really look up to you. Um, he's inspiring. Um.

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Speaker 1: And you know, switching over to Jesse, I same thing

501
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: I met Jesse through another forum many years ago, and Uh,

502
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: I messaged him because he had a four bucks season,

503
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Speaker 1: and I remember a comment that he wrote and said,

504
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Speaker 1: you know he was able to kill his last four

505
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Speaker 1: target bucks on the first day of the season. There's

506
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Speaker 1: there's something along those lines. I was like, Man, I

507
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta pick this guy's brain. So I messaged

508
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: him and uh, we kind of hit it off and

509
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 1: we've been buddies ever since. Um. And Jesse is one

510
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: of those guys that I mean, he's as hardcore as

511
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Speaker 1: like Um. He doesn't it doesn't matter if it's white tail, um,

512
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: elk mule deer. I mean, if he goes somewhere, uh

513
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: there's an animals gonna die, it's gonna be a good one.

514
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: And he's just, I mean, one of the most efficient killers,

515
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: if not the most efficient killer that I know. I mean,

516
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: he's he's like me, he's got kids. Um doesn't get

517
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: a ton of time out in the woods, but he

518
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: gets it done every single year on multiple animals and uh,

519
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: with very little time spent in the woods. So now

520
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: that Andy has fluffed you guys up really nicely, Um, Joe, Joe,

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Speaker 1: do you want to give your perspective on Andy since

522
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: you had done his intro for the d I Y

523
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: Deer Hunter profile and website. Yeah, I'd be happy to um.

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00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: First of all, he's making me blushed a little bit.

525
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: That's not very nice. But uh yeah, I mean Andy

526
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: and I have known each other kind of you through

527
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: the Hunting Beast forum, and we've got to know each

528
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: other a little bit outside of that, um lately. And

529
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: he I've I've watched him for years and and he's

530
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: one of those guys that he makes it look easy

531
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: and everybody knows it's not easy. Um. But and he

532
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: would freely admit it's not easy for him to do it,

533
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: but he finds success um so quickly that it almost

534
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 1: seems like wow, you know, like he's not even trying.

535
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: But behind the scenes, there's no one really more hardcore

536
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: than Andy. Um. He he lives breathe hunting, particularly deer hunting.

537
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: UM s five days a year, so and that's what

538
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: it takes to get done. He's always thinking, for thinking

539
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: about an angle, thinking about a buck, thinking about a

540
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: way to you know, to get in and get the

541
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Speaker 1: job done. So and that that starts the day after

542
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: he killed a buck. The last season, I think, so, um,

543
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: it's pretty impressive. Um. And I'm I have to say,

544
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty pretty honored to be considered a guest with

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00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: these two guys, because, uh, I mean, I'm just an

546
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: Iowa farm kids, so I freely admit that, Um, I

547
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: live in a target rich environment. You know, I take

548
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: pride in the detailed hunter, but I live in a

549
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: target rich environment compared to out eastern Michigan. So UM,

550
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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to hearing what they have to say,

551
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Yeah. And if you feel humbled to

552
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: be in this company, imagine me who hasn't done anything

553
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: compared to you guys. And and Dan was so intimidated

554
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: by the three of you that he just dropped off

555
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: the call. So so so the way, it's not redheaded

556
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: joke the whole time, exactly. He can't defend himself and

557
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: what I want to do from here. Then it's kind

558
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: of approached this like a panel discussion. So I'm gonna

559
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: ask a question and then I'm appointed to one of

560
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: you and get your thoughts, and we'll just go down

561
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: the line and you guys can give your own perspectives

562
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: or you can, you know, disagree with what the other

563
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: people said or add on whatever you want, and we'll

564
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: kind of trying to move through a bunch of questions

565
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: relatively rapid fire style to cover as many different topics

566
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: as we can. UM. But if there's something where you guys,

567
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, really vehemently want to argue something out, feel

568
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: free to do that. UM. But these are some questions

569
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: that I think will be particularly relevant to you guys

570
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: and how you hunt. And then there's also some questions

571
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: here that I asked back on our episode when we

572
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: did our last panel discussion, and our last panel discussion

573
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: was with Bill Winky, Dr Grant Woods, and Lee Lakowski.

574
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: So those three guys answered some of these questions and

575
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: they duked it out between themselves, and now I want

576
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: to ask some of the same questions to you guys

577
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: and have you duke it out, and then it'll be

578
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: kind of interesting to see how your three perspectives compared

579
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: to their three perspectives, kind of the our big name

580
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: TV folks under the radar, d I y deer hunter folks,

581
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: and I think it's an interesting comparison. So that's kind

582
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: of what we're gonna do. And the first question, though,

583
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,239
Speaker 1: I want to say we're to send to Jesse and

584
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: it's this, Jesse, I want to know for you, what's

585
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: more important? Is it scouting or the actual hunts? Give

586
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: me an answer and why sounds good? Mark, and I'll

587
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: just touch base on what Joe said. I'm honored to

588
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: be a part of these, uh the panels, So thanks

589
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: for having me, man um U. That's that's kind of

590
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: a no brainer. I think any serious guys um is

591
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna go ahead. I would think and say

592
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: scouting is the name of the game. It's kind of like, uh,

593
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, training as a wrestler. If if you skip

594
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: your whole training season and go right to your first match,

595
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna get pummeled. If you train all preseason and

596
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: going to your first match, you're you're going to walk

597
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: through it. And bow hunting is no different. You've you've

598
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: got to take your scouting serious, not just riding out

599
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: on a forworler, but really using your head and and scouting.

600
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Speaker 1: And I think every state has a different scouting technique,

601
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Speaker 1: so you've got to take that type of thing into account. Yeah,

602
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: scouting is the name of the game. In my books,

603
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: I scout probably eight of the time and the time. Okay, Joe,

604
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: what would you add? Yeah? I couldn't agree more. Um,

605
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Speaker 1: Yet I put it this way, scouting season is three

606
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Speaker 1: sixty five days a year in season. Out of season,

607
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: you can scout. Um. Other than you know, you know

608
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: some some public areas don't let you on. Other than

609
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: certain times, you still cyber scout. You can think about stuff,

610
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: you can look at old patterns of Vultario camp photos.

611
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: That's all scouting in my book. Um. You know, hunting season, yeah,

612
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: I might be a couple of months long, but still

613
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: scouting seasons a lot longer. And uh, you really have

614
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Speaker 1: to enjoy scouting, I guess to enjoy the success of

615
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: kind of the d I Y style. Um, I think

616
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Speaker 1: that's really important. Yet you know, everybody that I talked

617
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: to the it is fairly successful to doing it themselves.

618
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: They love to scout like scouting is just as fun,

619
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: if not more fun than the actual hunt. Um. And

620
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: that helps you get out there, you know, week after week.

621
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Speaker 1: So that's what I think. All right, and Andy, how

622
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Speaker 1: would you how would you approach this this question? Yeah,

623
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Speaker 1: I mean I hate to sound repetitive, but I mean

624
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: it's absolutely scouting. I mean, that's that's your preparation, you know,

625
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: that's how you figure out, you know, what deer are there,

626
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: what deer you're gonna go after. Um, you know, you're

627
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, find out tendencies that you know,

628
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Speaker 1: maybe individual deer have and and plan for a kill.

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Speaker 1: I mean I'd rather, I'd rather, um, be able to

630
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Speaker 1: scout fifty days and hunt ten days rather than be

631
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Speaker 1: able to hunt every day of the season. I mean,

632
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be more successful with those fifty days of scouting.

633
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Speaker 1: In fact, like I remember, uh gosh, I think it

634
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Speaker 1: was that a few years ago Jesse. I think he

635
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: killed like three or four bucks, the big mature bucks,

636
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: like big you know, poping young plus type deer on

637
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: nine sits, you know. And then a couple of years

638
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 1: ago I killed six open young bucks on nineteen sis.

639
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: And you know, we we both have, you know, and

640
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: and and Joe too, you know, you you have you

641
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: got families with kids. I mean, we don't want to

642
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: be gone the whole hunting season. I mean that's it's selfish, um,

643
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 1: you know, for us to kind of you know, chase

644
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: our dreams per se. Uh So you know, we we

645
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: spread it out over the year. And we prepare, um,

646
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: you know, just through scouting, and it is it's a

647
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 1: year round deal. There's something you can do every month

648
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: of the year that's going to help you in the fall.

649
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: And to add to that, if I may, yeah, go ahead,

650
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that. To add to that,

651
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: the scouting is so much easier when you're going hunting.

652
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: You have to be out early, you have to get

653
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: in ahead of time. You've you've got to be sneaky

654
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: when you're scouting. You are, at least for me, Um,

655
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: I can jog out to a couple of different places

656
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: glass in the last half hour light and see everything

657
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: I need to see. I can be up way before

658
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: I have to go to work, um and do all

659
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: my glassing and then still be to work and and

660
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: only glass for a half an hour. You can do

661
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: that every day. UM. So it's not a huge investment

662
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: um of time. So you know, And and that's how

663
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: you can do it in different states. To you if

664
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: you get it figured out, even if you can only

665
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: go scout a state for three or four days, UM,

666
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: it's those crucial first half hour, last half hour, you

667
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: can all your connaissance. It's not a big investment of time. Yeah, yeah,

668
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: that's that's that's absolutely true. The flexibility that is key

669
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 1: with you know, I got two little kids too, so um,

670
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, and family obligations, they take precedence over hunting.

671
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm extraordinarily you know, I'm very passionate about hunting, but

672
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: um being able to get out you know, Oh, I

673
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: got two hours, Okay, I want to hit you know

674
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: that public area that I've been meeting to scout, you know, um,

675
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: or you block out like I like to hunt up

676
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: and kind of northern Wisconsin to block out one three

677
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: day weekend. That's what I get in the spring for

678
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: scouting up their boots on the ground. Everything else has

679
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: to be remote, you know. But it's flexible. I picked

680
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: the weekend, you know. Yeah, And I gotta admit I

681
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: kind of knew that you guys were gonna give me

682
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: this answer some I've been leading you and and given

683
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: that's the case when I'm when I'm most interested, because

684
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: I knew that you guys are so obsessive with scouting,

685
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: and because I kind of I'm guessing that's what really

686
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: sets you guys apart um. What I'm really interested in

687
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: is the detail how you actually scout I think when

688
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: most people think scouting, they think, oh, you know, a

689
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: guy walks through the woods a couple of times, see

690
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: some rubs, see some scrapes, sets a stand there, or

691
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: something that's kind of like your generic entry, entry level

692
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: scouting session. Um, Andy, can you start us out by

693
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: describing in detail how to scout like an expert? Like

694
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: how to do that next level scouting? What is the

695
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 1: scouting that you do that is making you so disproportionately

696
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: successful compared to the guy that just goes out and

697
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: and looks at some rubs and scrapes a couple of times.

698
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: Oh man, Um, it's kind of hard to narrow that

699
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: down to you know, a short time frame, and you

700
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 1: could write a book on it. But um, like Joe said,

701
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: it's a year round thing. So um, you know, right

702
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: after the season starts. I'm sorry, right after the season

703
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: ends is a great time to to start. You know.

704
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: January for Michigan. Um, you know, I'll get right out

705
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: there when there's still snow the season just ended, and

706
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: I'll I'll walk all my hunting areas. You know, I'm

707
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: looking for winter bending with winter betting. Um. You know,

708
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: travel routes like to food sources, you know, kind of

709
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: monitoring what what the crop rotations were, UM, trying to

710
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: find books that survives that you know, I might be

711
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: able to chase next year and zone in on um

712
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: and all that to relate you know, the future late

713
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: season hunting. UM. You know that's for me, that's a

714
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: really important time frame because I don't I don't want

715
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: to be a a rut guy, you know, and I

716
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: don't want to be just an early season guy. I

717
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: want to be able to be effective all year round.

718
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: So I mean, you can't beat right when the season

719
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: is done, you know, you get that that most recent information.

720
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: Most guys kind of hang it up for a while,

721
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: but you gotta get right back out there and you

722
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: can get some information. So you know, when the snow melts.

723
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: For me, um, I get right out there. UM, you

724
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: know I'm looking for that's when all the sign is

725
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: like still really visible. You know, it's four green up

726
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: every trail, every skate scrape, every rub um. You know,

727
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: the beds are are very visible. You know. That's when

728
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm looking for like individual buck beds. I'm looking for

729
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: go bedding, um, you know, intersecting trails, scrapes, rud concentrations

730
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and I'm just trying to um, you know,

731
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: put all the puzzle pieces together for like more uh

732
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: effective rut sits you know, in for the next fall,

733
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: and I try to find a lot of them so

734
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: that you know, I can fill up a hole, you know,

735
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: if I get you know, ten sits during the rud

736
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: or you know, six sits. I want. I want high,

737
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: high percentage spots, so you know, I'm looking for the

738
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: best of the best type spot within the spot. Um.

739
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: You know, those really good spots where you have a

740
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: lot of things going on that are in your favor um.

741
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: You know. And then I go, you know, like kind

742
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: of May and June, UM, you know, I tone it back.

743
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: It's a lot of fans of time. I start really

744
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: hammering my archery at that time, getting dialed in UM.

745
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: And then you know, once you know, kind of summer

746
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: comes August, September, that's when I'm I'm trying to find those,

747
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, trying to find those early season patterns a

748
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: buck to go after early in the season. UM. You know,

749
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: So I'm running some trail cameras, I'm doing a lot

750
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: of glassing, UM checking fields for you know, large tracks

751
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, Um, And what I mentioned before

752
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: it was, you know, I think Joe has a similar strategy.

753
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: But I try to find you know, five or six

754
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: bucks in Michigan to go after, because you know, I'm

755
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: gonna screw up for sure, I'm gonna make some mistakes

756
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: on a few of them, and you know, you get

757
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: you get the competition on these areas I hunter so

758
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 1: high inevitable that other hunters are gonna push deer out.

759
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: So I usually if I can find you know, five

760
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: or six bucks to to go after, um, you know,

761
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: then I can usually, uh tip, really find success. So

762
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: on that question, Andy, Um, you mentioned that you typically

763
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: have five or six different bucks that you try to

764
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: find a given ear. And this this kind of goes

765
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: to something I've thought a lot about a lot of

766
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: the best guys that I know, that guys that don't

767
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: own their own lands, guys that are finding spots either

768
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: by permission or in public. A lot of people I

769
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: talked to do like what you do. They have a

770
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: bunch of different places to hunt. So how many different

771
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: properties are you working through to try to find these

772
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: five or six bucks you know here in Michigan? I mean,

773
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: do you have do you have five properties, do you

774
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: have fifteen properties you have permission on? Or public spots?

775
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: How many different spots do you go into a year

776
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: usually that you can say, okay, these are my options. Well,

777
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm always I'm always adding, uh, you know, spots. UM.

778
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: You know, there's some a lot of people know kind

779
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: of where I hunt. I don't want to give it

780
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: away too much, but UM, you know there there's definitely

781
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: some spots that I have I have permission on, UM.

782
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: And it's it's spots that are shared with other hunters

783
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: and guys. I don't know. It's kind of one of

784
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: those things where you know, the landowners let people hunt.

785
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: I got some spots like that. UM. You know, there's

786
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: some public spots. There's some spots that are private land

787
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: open to public hunting. UM. But I'm also always trying

788
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: to gain new ground, um in one way or another.

789
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: So I knock got a lot of doors. UM. I'm

790
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: always kind of picking away at new public land spots.

791
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: And you know some of the some of the areas

792
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: that I used to hunt a lot UM, specifically the

793
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: public areas they got hammered by h D back in

794
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, and they're still still not. You know,

795
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: I had to give up on them for several years

796
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: because there just wasn't it wasn't any deer, uh you know,

797
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: or not any not a single thing that I could

798
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: locate worth going after. So I don't know they answer

799
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: your question, there's a there's a lot of them. Um,

800
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'd probably say that I try to scout

801
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 1: and monitor, you know, twelve to fifteen different areas, um,

802
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, and some of those are huge chunks of

803
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, public land. Some are tiny little private pieces.

804
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: Um hunt one piece that's one acre, you know, So

805
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, it's it's it's everything in between.

806
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: So um yeah, I'm I try to find anywhere that

807
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: I can hunt around here. There's so many guys you

808
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: kind of you know, take what you can get. Yeah, okay,

809
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: So Joe, Uh how about first question? How many different

810
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: parcels or properties do you typically try to have? His options?

811
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: And then can you detail you're scouting and what makes

812
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: your scouting next level? Yeah? Um yeah, Andy hit a

813
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: lot of the points I would hit. Makes my summary

814
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: a little shorter, but I right now I'm right around

815
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: a dozen pieces of public land that I hunt. And

816
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: that's my passion hunting for my bow tag and my

817
00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: home state of Iowa, UM his public land UM I

818
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: I you know, for my general either sex tag. I

819
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: have a small acres around my house and Iowa landowners

820
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: get a landowners tag, but that's not really UM. Where

821
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: where my passion is, it's public land UM. And and

822
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: going out where anybody else can go. UM. I can

823
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: go whenever I want UM and scout and it's probably

824
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: they range from you know, uh, ten to twenty acres

825
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: up to you know, a thousand acres or more. UM.

826
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: But really, UM, Iowa doesn't have that much public land. UM.

827
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm fortunate to live in a part of the state

828
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: that has more than other parts, but it's still not

829
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: that much. And I'm a little envious of guys who

830
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: have ten thousand acres in public out their back door.

831
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: That'd be pretty cool. But UM, so I'm I'm hitting

832
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: you know, around a dozen also try to seek out

833
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: and scout at least one new parcel a year, UM

834
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: to one or two. UM. That's kind of basically publicly

835
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: and never stays the same. And you kind of mentioned this,

836
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: you know, you you may have d h D, you

837
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: might have changes in hunting pressure. UM. A lot of

838
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: the differences that I see because some of the smaller parcels, uh,

839
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: you know, if it depends if there's acorns or not. UM.

840
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: If there's much use by dear, they may be over here,

841
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: and then another year there may be hardly any deer

842
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: because they're focused on the crop fields, you know, and

843
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: surrounding private properties. UM. If if that, if you say,

844
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: if it's a trail corridor and there's not good setting there, um,

845
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: so I it's very important to have. I don't know.

846
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: My rule of thumb is kind of twice as many

847
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: spots as I could hunt in a season and both

848
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: you know, twice as many areas and twice as many

849
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 1: setups in those areas I could ever hunt in the season.

850
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: And I I'm focused on playing the lawn game, you know,

851
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: kind of stacking odds in my favor. So I'm constantly sorting, um,

852
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: what what are the best areas you know, the highest

853
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: odds that you know may have target box and I'm

854
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: really interested in that I think are killable versus other

855
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: ones that don't look so hot, you know, And I'm

856
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: I'm only hit in the top half of the top third.

857
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: UM on a given a year, I'm still kind of

858
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: watching those other areas. I could put boots on the

859
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: ground a couple of times, and I may run a

860
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: trail camera too to see how deer moving and what's around.

861
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: But um, that's kind of how I really try to

862
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: stack dodds in my favor. Um. And then I know

863
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: mentioned kind of a scouting routine. You know, Andy hit

864
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: most of the good points. One thing I would definitely add,

865
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: um And I know he does this too, and talk

866
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: to him. But um, in season scouting, so basically that

867
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: the minute I kill I tag out, um like switch

868
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: to scouting mode. Um. All my, if I had, say,

869
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: any cameras set up like watching for target bucks, I

870
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: might adjust those. Maybe I might adjust them, might not,

871
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: betting on where they are, and I'll set them in spots.

872
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: I really like to set cameras in spots and leave

873
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: them soaked the whole season and just observe in really

874
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: kind of high impact spots. Don't check them. I'll leave

875
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: them for months on end, observe natural deer movement, and

876
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: then I can review those photos and really get a

877
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: very detailed understanding of what those deer doing. Um, just

878
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: about every spot I have ever done that with I

879
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: see distinct um favorite deer trends according to weather, maybe

880
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: maybe hunting pressure and other factors um, different food sources

881
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: lighting up, um, but particularly whether when can you know

882
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: when temperatures hear you certain areas based on certain conditions.

883
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: I am absolutely certain to that, UM. On top of

884
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: you know, hunting pressure, pressure effects and everything like that.

885
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: So UM, you know the rest in season scouting, the

886
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: sign is red hot. You can see it as it

887
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: gets laid down. You can get a jump start on

888
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: that spring scouting if you tag out, like my favorite

889
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: time to hunt in October and the best majority of

890
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: time I tag out in October. UM, and I'm I'm

891
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: switching immediately to okay, what I want to look at

892
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: for next year, and then letting those trail cameras soak

893
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: with the intent over the kind of the winter months.

894
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: Like if you've got a big thick snowpack on the ground, Um,

895
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: it's not ideal scouting out there. That's when I play

896
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: catch up, you know. I just actually it's February, the

897
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: second week of February right now, and I just finally

898
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: UM caught up with all my trail camp photos from

899
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: last fall. You know. So I had a number of

900
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: cameras out just sitting there. Finally picked up the last couple,

901
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: and I've been looking at those. I would always been

902
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: figure out how deer are using those spots. Awesome, Jesse,

903
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: what would you add as far as how many different

904
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: places you have that you have access to and you're scouting. Yeah,

905
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: so obviously those guys gave great answers. And one thing

906
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: I would point out, all three of us, Joe, Andy

907
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: and myself lived in completely different geographic areas, um, and

908
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: therefore our answers are I actually might um give different

909
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 1: answers than them and not disagree, but UM, my answers

910
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: would be different because I'm hunting a completely different um

911
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: the top of Rascal. Everything is different. Um. Like Andy

912
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,959
Speaker 1: had said, scouting and looking for mass amounts of deer

913
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: in the winter, I would agree with. I love the

914
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: pound it right now. This is the one time of

915
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: year that you can cover ground and go places that

916
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: you should not go because anything you bump, it doesn't matter.

917
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: They're coming back. They're going wherever the flood sources. Now

918
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: when I tom ground right now, I'm looking for sign

919
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: that was November sign or October signed um or you know,

920
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: obviously shed hunting, but I personally think gear are the

921
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 1: sounds corny, But they're kind of like men um. When

922
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: they're young, they're all over the place. They're goofing around

923
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: there with all the you know, they're with the tribe,

924
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: they're with the herd um. When they get to be older,

925
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 1: which is what we're hunting. When I'm in my fourties,

926
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: I don't really go out of the butters anymore. I'm

927
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: not traveling with the masses. I kind of like to

928
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 1: be alone. I'd like to be out my own little

929
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: area in life. And they bucks are the same way.

930
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: So while I'm covering ground this time of year, I'm

931
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: not looking for tons of tracks, I'm looking for a giant.

932
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a big track. And here, um you

933
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: can bump them. It's great this time of year and

934
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: it's not a big deal. But here everything is going

935
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 1: to change. So bucks that are are where they are

936
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: right now, I might never see them um in the

937
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 1: you know, in in that spot everything food source. Here,

938
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: we get a lot of snow and it's really cold,

939
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: and then in the summer it's gonna be you know,

940
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: in the nineties, so everything really swings. UM. So I'm

941
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: not afraid to walk all over the place, and personally,

942
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm not looking for big mass quantities of deer. Um.

943
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: Those guys nailed that. I'm looking for next year's kill

944
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: this year. Um. And when I scout year round, obviously, UM,

945
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: you gotta study these food sources. And you've got to

946
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: remember what happened last year when the when the soybeans turned,

947
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: all the bus disappeared. Well, you know, they went to

948
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: the soybeans. So you have to play back on your

949
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: knowledge from years in the past. Um. And really, I

950
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: don't take any notes. When I was a kid, I

951
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: took a lot of notes, and then I found that

952
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: I never go back and read them because I remember

953
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: every buck from every year. Um. You know when they

954
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: switched gears, when they disappeared, when they showed up. Um.

955
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: I literally sit in my treuesday and think about that stuff.

956
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: But I think Joe had mentioned that, you know, just

957
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: just uh, you know, thinking and spending time scouting. Uh,

958
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: just thinking about scouting and think about hunting. Um, remembering

959
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: the change of things. UM. Scouting. The one thing I

960
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: would say those guys didn't mention is at least for me,

961
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: I glassed like a maniac. I stay way away from

962
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: UM by hunting spots even when I'm scouting UM in

963
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: the winter is about the only time I really walked

964
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: through anything. UM. Having good optics and having a good

965
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: tripod for your optics to be on UM and knowing

966
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: that that fifteen window when animals are gonna move or

967
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 1: where they're gonna show up. That's you have to learn

968
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: that stuff. And it sounds weird, but once you kind

969
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: of figure things out, it's almost like you have a

970
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: sixth sense. No matter what state you go to, you'll

971
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: see something and you'll just you'll know. Um, I need

972
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: to beat here tonight it's six five at sunset because

973
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 1: I gotta see what comes out of that corner. UM.

974
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,479
Speaker 1: Just picking up that sixth sense and making mental notes

975
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: in your head from years in the past. UM. I'm

976
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 1: not a big camera guy either, to be honest with you. UM,

977
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: I like what Joe said about putting them up and

978
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: leaving on and UM, I have cameras that are literally

979
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: sitting out there that I put out in October and

980
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: I still haven't picked him up. Yeah, I'm sure the

981
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: batteries are dead, but UM, I don't know what was

982
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: there and uh, and I'll know what time of day

983
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: they moved and stuff. But some guys check them every

984
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: week and you know they wonder why why you disappeared.

985
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: You're schooling them, you know. So so you you talked

986
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: about you talked about glassing, Um, what times of year

987
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: are you doing that glass? And are you doing that

988
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 1: through the entire year and monitoring deer from a distance

989
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: at all times a year or is that just in

990
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: season from observation stands or can you elaborate on that

991
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: a little bit? But before we before we do get

992
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: to the answer to these questions from Jesse, let's take

993
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: a quick pause here for our white Tail Properties segment

994
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: of the day and Spencer will get that started force

995
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: right now. This week with white Tail Properties, we are

996
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: joined by Andrew Schultz, a land specialist out of Illinois.

997
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: And Andrew is going to be telling us about projecting

998
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: the future of the landmarket in the Midwest. You know,

999
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: I wish I will is uh able to tell the future,

1000
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: but um, all I can go off of is my

1001
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: clients and what I hear from people around me, and

1002
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: obviously my experience since being in this business, and the

1003
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: one thing that I seem to hear over and over

1004
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: again is that UM buyers and sellers wish they would

1005
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: have bought sooner, and they wish they would have bought more.

1006
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: And the reason for that is because if you look

1007
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: back at the history of land, it's appreciated so much

1008
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: over the years, and we expected to continue appreciating because

1009
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: they're not making any more land. So there's a limited

1010
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: supply of this stuff, and it's in high demand, and

1011
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: people who have never owned land before they're coming out

1012
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: and they're they're buying it because they understand that they're

1013
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: not making any more of it. So, UM can I

1014
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: predict five years from now, ten twenty, Not exactly, but

1015
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: I can predict or it's likely that land is going

1016
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: to continue to appreciate and you're gonna wish that you

1017
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: would have bought more of it and bought it sooner.

1018
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: If you'd like to learn more and to see the

1019
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,959
Speaker 1: properties that Andrew currently has listed for sale, visit white

1020
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: tail properties dot com backslash Shultz that's s h U

1021
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 1: l t z. Yeah. So I glass NonStop. In fact,

1022
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: um glassing, at least in the East where I've come from.

1023
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: It seems like nobody glasses. UM. I glass I have

1024
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: a lot of spots um that are exactly what you said.

1025
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: They're observation stands. Um. You couldn't kill a deer out

1026
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: of past my stands if your life depended on it.

1027
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: With the boat, A lot of them are high. Um.

1028
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: But I can see I can see all the way

1029
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: around me, you know, literally a mile. I mean a

1030
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: lot of times I'm glassing three or four fields away, um,

1031
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: or three or four headrows away or or you know.

1032
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: And now a lot of times even if I only

1033
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: had ten minutes, um, if my wife. I have a

1034
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: wife and three kids and run my own business. So

1035
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: free time it's ten minutes to me is awesome. So

1036
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: if I can get out of here, hit the road

1037
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,479
Speaker 1: and hit at least one of my spots in glass, um,

1038
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: that's five minutes of knowledge that I got that I

1039
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: know nobody else is doing. UM. So that that's huge.

1040
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: And having very good optics UM is important. And having

1041
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: a very good tripod if you're from the ground, having

1042
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,959
Speaker 1: steady glass it's amazing. It'll make marginal bunoculars look better.

1043
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: So buy a good tripod and buy a good tripod

1044
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: head um if that's all you can afford, And then

1045
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: someday when you can swing a little more money, get

1046
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: yourself some high end optics, and you will. I think

1047
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: my Swarovski's when I bought them, they were like eighteen

1048
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: hundred bucks and everybody thought I was nuts. But they're

1049
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: like fifteen years old. There's still amazing and they're still

1050
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: probably worth tars now. And I would have bought three

1051
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: or four other sets of junk three bunoculars. So having

1052
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: good optics, I took up on so much stuff that

1053
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: that I know nobody's that people aren't seen, and it's

1054
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: it's really like cheating. I almost feel like got cheated

1055
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: with my optics because it's it's you can look through

1056
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: the woods with them. It's it's great. That's a that's

1057
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: that's a great time. I would I would ree. One

1058
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: other kind of tip that you mentioned is tracks. Um

1059
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: that's something that I didn't really mention, but it's a

1060
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: huge component of what I'm doing all year long. I'm

1061
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: looking at tracks, and I know I've got subcomment. It's

1062
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: like some people are very skeptical that you can I

1063
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: d and individual Bucks tracks, but I have been looking

1064
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: at the hooves of Big Bucks for quite a while now,

1065
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: and a big, mature fully mature buck is not very

1066
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: common anywhere, um, on anywhere that gets any significant hunting pressure. Um,

1067
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: there's not many of them, and usually their tracks stand out.

1068
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: UM they're busy pawing and fighting, and you know Jason does.

1069
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of times chipped up, cracked

1070
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,919
Speaker 1: up whatever. They're usually big, not always, but usually much

1071
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: bigger um square. You know, they're fairly distinctive. So my

1072
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: alternating goal, Yeah, it's to find you know, I d

1073
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: that bucks track, you know, um, and you know, hopefully

1074
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: I say, I am scouting in the winter and jump

1075
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: him out of a bed. I'm looking at that bed,

1076
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: I'm looking at that track, you know. Um. And once

1077
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: I have that, that's a huge puzzle piece because then um,

1078
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: I know, you know, and this kind of shows the

1079
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: differences creeen each of us. I don't do that much glassing. Um.

1080
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: I used to do a ton of glassing. In frankly,

1081
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: I don't do that much anymore. For us, like, I

1082
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: don't have that much. I just don't find myself having

1083
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: a whole lot of free time in the evening. Um.

1084
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: But what I found is in the farm country deer

1085
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: that a lot of what I hunt. I'm able to

1086
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 1: walk the edges of you know, crop fields and look

1087
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: for tracks, and then that's kind of you know, it's

1088
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: kind of equivalent to grassing. Glassing. I can see where

1089
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: the deer coming in and going out, and do that

1090
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: in mid day, do a quick loop, don't get anywhere

1091
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: near bedding. I'll do that all summer long and all uh,

1092
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, just trying to figure out where those tracks.

1093
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: Those tracks are probably made at night. But then I

1094
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: can get in a lot, you know, a direction to travel,

1095
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: and if I did my homework previous winter scouting, I

1096
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: can say, you know, well I need to hunt that

1097
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: betting area a quarter mile back, you know, or you know,

1098
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: half a mile away. I think that's where he's betting.

1099
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: So how about this one, um, Jesse, you kind of

1100
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: eluded a little while back. Maybe it was Andy talking

1101
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: about Jesse, Um that you were killing several different bucks

1102
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: year after year in a row, like the first day

1103
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: of this season, right towards the beginning of the season. Um.

1104
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:45,919
Speaker 1: So I want to talk about different times of the year. Um,

1105
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: And we'll try to make this a little bit simple.

1106
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: If you could only pick one week of the whole year.

1107
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: If I said that you had to kill him ture buck.

1108
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: Your life depended on it, and you had only one

1109
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: week of the season to do it. And what one

1110
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: week period would that be? And Joe, let's let's send

1111
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: it right back to you to start. Um, Well, assuming

1112
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: I'm on my home turf areas that I've scouted already. Um,

1113
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: it's the last week October for me. Um, that's kind

1114
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: of my bread and butter I've killed. I'm pretty sure

1115
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: I've killed a mature buck in every week of the season,

1116
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: Like we go from October one, then in November, and

1117
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: then of course we have late season two and I've

1118
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: had success then, but you know, basically October November, I'm

1119
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: pretty sure I've had it, has success every week of

1120
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: the season that last week October. Um, it's just bos

1121
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: are still pretty pannable. They're a little more visible they

1122
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: are on these pre rough patterns. Um, They're they're kind

1123
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: of seeking out that first dough that smells right in

1124
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: the first old does are just you know, getting close, Um,

1125
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: And that buck isn't necessary isn't cruising around for probably

1126
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: you know, through the day, but you can catch him

1127
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: at first and last light. Um. On these on these

1128
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: kind of rut travel routes, already checking out the dough

1129
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: betting areas, checking out the major food sources UM, and

1130
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: basically using his rough bedding. And that's what I'm targeting.

1131
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: It's it's rock bedding, UM. And that's it's usually I

1132
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: don't want to say it's got a lot of sign

1133
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: um but um because every bucks difference and a lot

1134
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: of older bucks don't leave hardly any sign. But it's. Uh.

1135
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: If you look at enough bedding locations and buck beds,

1136
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: you start to realize some are clearly located with the

1137
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: intent of keeping an eye on the doors in the area. UM.

1138
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: And those light up so consistently in late October. I

1139
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: mean I just I just see it every single year,

1140
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: and I wait for you know, whatever conditions all betting

1141
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: is still, you know, conditional favor of certain winds, certain temperatures. UM.

1142
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: I wait for those conditions. I don't touch. You know,

1143
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: I may not have set foot anywhere near I probably

1144
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: didn't set foot anywhere near there since from the you know,

1145
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: since spring when I picked a set up nearby and

1146
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm going in there and hitting that UM. Ideally I

1147
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: know there's that big buck in the area, either from

1148
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: those tracks, maybe stuff from some you know, trail camp

1149
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: photos over the course of the year. UM, and that's

1150
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: that's kind of my go to go to time. So

1151
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: what can you elaborate? But can you elaborate on the

1152
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: what you call the rut betting So what what would

1153
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: what would a rut betting area look like for a

1154
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: buck as opposed to where you might find him the

1155
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: rest of the year. Yeah, so UM, some so this

1156
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: gets a little into individual box some some books. Well

1157
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 1: I'll start this the boldest box in general have the

1158
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: smallest core areas. You know, there's there's outliers, there's some

1159
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: that rove around UM. And within that core area, he's

1160
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: got UM. You know, a certain number of locations that

1161
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: he prefers to bed UM seek safety, that's his primary concern.

1162
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: But UM, in that time period right in the pre

1163
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: rout he is likely to use you know, he won't

1164
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: sacrifice safety hardly at all, but he will favor the

1165
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: locations that are closest to UM, like a dope family

1166
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: group betting UM. And and for instance in hill country,

1167
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: something I've noticed is uh what I didn't coin this term,

1168
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: but it's called a thermal hub. So thermal hubs are

1169
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: where kind of thermal spool um. So you can have

1170
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: kind of a low thermal hub where several like several

1171
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: drainages tied together, and the falling thermals in the evening

1172
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: come down from those, uh say, three three drainage, three

1173
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: small drainages tied together, falling thermals come down from each

1174
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: of those, and kind of pool in a central area.

1175
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: And a lot of time you'll see a ton of

1176
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: sign down there. Robson's grapes gets it gets torn up.

1177
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: Well often you can't hunt down there, but that buck

1178
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 1: is dropping in there and sent checking the surrounding area

1179
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: to see, you know, what's what with the does in

1180
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: the area in that late October time frame and a

1181
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: little bit into the rout um. And I basically he's

1182
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: betting very he's often betting at a secondary point right

1183
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: next to there, maybe a low bench. You can find

1184
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 1: those buck heads right in that close proximity. Um. And

1185
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 1: it's in a location that he cannot you know, observe

1186
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: with his nose, which is their primary you know, you know,

1187
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: it's equivalent to our eyesight. We believe what we see.

1188
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: A deer believes what he smells. Um. He wants to

1189
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: be able to observe what is around um and uh

1190
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 1: so that so that it's hard to describe beyond If

1191
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: you see, uh, you know, a big bed maybe with

1192
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, an old rub right above it, it's in

1193
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: a very secure location, that just makes you scratch your

1194
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: head and say, I don't know how to hunt this. Um.

1195
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: That's probably an indicator. That's a really secure location. And

1196
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: a big buck, if he's in that area, is probably

1197
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: going to use that bed. And if it's close to say, uh,

1198
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: you know a hunter and fifty yards up the ridge

1199
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: or whatever is a megat betting area, well that bed

1200
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 1: is probably getting used in the late pre rud you know.

1201
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: That's that's how I kind of look at it. I

1202
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 1: think it was a great point that Joe said. And

1203
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: you don't hunt that spot. You can't even though you

1204
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,919
Speaker 1: know that deer is there, those thermal there's a reason

1205
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: why he's there, and people sign that sign and hang

1206
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 1: a stand there and they screwed up. Don't hunt those spots,

1207
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: but know how to get you know, get get close

1208
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: to those spots without screwing it. How would you how

1209
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: would you you want to use you want to do

1210
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,439
Speaker 1: use that to your advantage, you know, like that's that's

1211
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: a great point. You know, yeah, just because you can't

1212
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: hunt a spot, you can still use it to your vantage.

1213
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: So anyway, go on, No, I was just it was

1214
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: a great point that you said, Um, you know, you

1215
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: can't hunt those spots, and so many people don't have

1216
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: the discipline to not hunt that spot. You blast that spot.

1217
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: You know that spot is there, and when you see

1218
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: those those up end of that spot, you you and

1219
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: you can't find that buck. You know he's probably using

1220
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: the area that you scouted. And you try and hunt

1221
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: the periphery of that with the wind in your favor

1222
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: at all times, and when that wind switches you get

1223
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: out of there. But you try and get lucky and

1224
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 1: cutty moss um, but you never hunt those spots. And

1225
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 1: for Joe to make that comment, um, that's that's the

1226
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: sign of a killer. He knows. He knows that you

1227
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: don't go in there where a lot of people would

1228
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: never make that comment that it's an unhunable spot. That's smart. Yeah,

1229
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 1: that's all right. So Jesse, how about back to the

1230
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: original question. You get one week of the season, what

1231
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: is it? Yeah, so u Joe kind of had mentioned

1232
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: it as well. It depends on the state. If it's

1233
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: my home state, UM, I like to I like to

1234
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: do my homework way ahead of time, and I like

1235
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: to kill them fast. I like to kill them. We

1236
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: have a lot of pressure here. We have small black

1237
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 1: woods and we have a lot of agriculture, so, um,

1238
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 1: these guys can screw up the woods real quick. And

1239
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 1: everybody here hunts, so there's a ton of pressure. Um.

1240
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: I like to get get the job done. Um. Everybody says, oh,

1241
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: there's an October lull. Well that's good. I hope they

1242
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: stay out of the woods because all I need is

1243
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: is that last fifteen minutes of light or that or

1244
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: that first forty minutes of light when they're going back

1245
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: into the bedding grounds. I really try and do my

1246
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: homework and my home state and I try and get

1247
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 1: them killed. And um, New York where I live, this

1248
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: is not a huge trophy state. It's not like I'm

1249
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to kill a booner here. Um, I'm trying

1250
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 1: to kill a good respectable you know. One class year

1251
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: was like killing a one eight in Iowa. So it's

1252
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 1: it's not like I'm too worried that. Um. You know,

1253
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: if I tell you a hundred forty, and I'm not

1254
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: gonna be sad that there was a one eight here

1255
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: but I didn't get I'm not worried about that. So

1256
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm killing my home state buck. I'm not hunting up

1257
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: a world class place, and I'm getting out of here

1258
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,480
Speaker 1: as fast as i can and going to um Ohio

1259
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 1: or Kansas, Illinois. UM. And truthfully, if I was the

1260
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: hunt out of state, any out of state guy, but

1261
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 1: you don't have the knowledge um of the ground the

1262
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:46,480
Speaker 1: way the way Joe does in Iowa or Andy in Michigan. UM.

1263
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: My advice would be going November, getting your truck November five,

1264
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: November six, start driving, try and be in a standard

1265
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: in a glassing point November seven, and hunt sun up

1266
01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:00,719
Speaker 1: to sundown for the next seven In the ten days,

1267
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: you can sleep and relax and drinker the rest of

1268
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: the year, but for those seven to ten days, punish

1269
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: yourself and you will kill a giant. Maybe not a giant,

1270
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: but if you're healing out of state and don't know

1271
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: where you're at, punish yourself for those seven to ten days.

1272
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: Keep your eyes open all the time, and those are

1273
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: your best odds for a non resident Um. If I

1274
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: talked to some of my other buddies who are world

1275
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: class guys, um, they will say, Um, the end of

1276
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 1: the rut, the end of November is when the true

1277
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: giants show up because they've bred everything in their circle

1278
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 1: and they're starting to cruise around looking for other unbred dose. Um.

1279
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 1: So for an average guy like me, I'm happy to

1280
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: kill one sixty November seven, November fourteenth to the eighteenth. Um,

1281
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: that's when I want to be out of state for

1282
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: out of state hunting in your home state. You know. Uh,

1283
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 1: it all comes down to what you see. But for me,

1284
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 1: I like that first week there, there's there's like eight

1285
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 1: ups together. Um, they're all hitting fluid sources. If you

1286
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 1: see one buck, you're seeing every book in the block

1287
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be able to pick the one you want.

1288
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: So I like, I like that for for me, that's

1289
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 1: great advice. That's great advice about you know, the differentiation

1290
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 1: between your backyard where you're tiled in and going in

1291
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 1: somewhere new or even somewhere you've done a little bit

1292
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: of scouting. Uh, yeah, you're you're a spot on there.

1293
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: You know, peek rutt is where it's at. If you

1294
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: want to go in somewhere new and you know, try

1295
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: to get the job done, especially you know, at a

1296
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: long distance from home. Right, Thanks Andy, What are your

1297
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 1: thoughts on this? You got your one week? Which is it? Yeah,

1298
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna echo what what Jesse said, you

1299
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 1: know for me, Um, specifically in Michigan. You know, it's

1300
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 1: hard for me to pick something other than that first

1301
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 1: week at the season. Um, I've been pretty successful. UM.

1302
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: I definitely don't kill one every year on the first week,

1303
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: but UM, I've killed enough of them, and I've I've

1304
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 1: been on enough mature deer and I've had opportunities that

1305
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: enough mature deer on that first week for that to

1306
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: really be my favorite time. UM. And I know things

1307
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: can kind of come into play, like you know, weather

1308
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: and all that, but just the uh, you know, if

1309
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 1: I do my work and my due diligence in September,

1310
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: I should be on a good one that first few

1311
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: days of the season. If I'm not, I didn't work

1312
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: hard enough and I didn't prepare and I slacked. So

1313
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 1: I really love that time. Um. In fact, I've I've

1314
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 1: started doing a lot of my traveling out of state

1315
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 1: just to hunt opening days. Um. You know, I try

1316
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: to never miss the opening day in Ohio, and I've

1317
01:13:56,280 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: been successful opening day there. Um. Same with Kentucky. Um

1318
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 1: killed a couple down there in the first few days

1319
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 1: of the season. So I really like that time the

1320
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: deer unpressured. Um, they're they're moving. You can you can

1321
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 1: still catch them on food sources. Uh, not so much

1322
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: in Michigan. But when I as soon as I crossed

1323
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: those lines, you know, food sources are fair game now

1324
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: in Michigan. Um, yeah, I can't even. I don't know

1325
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 1: that I've ever killed a deer on a food source here,

1326
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: a mature deer. Um. I'd have to really look back

1327
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 1: through through the hunts. But I'm I'm almost always tight

1328
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: to betting. Um, I'm the big mature deer. Um, I

1329
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:39,839
Speaker 1: gotta get in in the cover. The the food sources

1330
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: are loaded with hunters, so um. You know I usually

1331
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: have to get in tight. Um. But I really like

1332
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 1: that October time frame. Um. You know, even mid October,

1333
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: like Jesse said, you know, if you know what you're doing, UM,

1334
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 1: you know you're still on deer at that time frame.

1335
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 1: You just you really have to, you know, fall back

1336
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: on your scouting and your knowledge of the area and

1337
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: what mature deer do at that time. But when I'm

1338
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 1: traveling out of state, UM, I almost never hunt the

1339
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: rut here in Michigan. UM. I might get a sit

1340
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 1: or two, UM, but that's usually when I'll take a

1341
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: trip to when I draw my Iowa tag or you know,

1342
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:18,679
Speaker 1: I've been to Illinois and Iowa and UM, like Jesse

1343
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: said that November you know, for me, it's probably that

1344
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 1: November five six time frame to the twelfth. That's when

1345
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 1: I seem to see the biggest mature bucks on their

1346
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 1: feet and where I've had a lot of success, tons

1347
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 1: of midday kills. UM. I really like that time frame. UM.

1348
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 1: You know, to to travel to a good you know,

1349
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 1: a state that has you know, a more target rich environment,

1350
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: I guess. And I've never um, I've never hunted anywhere

1351
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,560
Speaker 1: um during that Thanksgiving time UM with a bow. You know,

1352
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 1: I've I've been to states where their gun season is open.

1353
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:03,480
Speaker 1: But that's something that is kind of, you know, possibly

1354
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 1: in the works, especially Iowa tag. I might focus on

1355
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: that time, UM, because I'd really like to kind of

1356
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: extend my season and maybe you know, focus a little

1357
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: more Russets here in Michigan. But um, those would probably

1358
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: be my two my two favorite times, you know, times

1359
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 1: of the year. You know, if I had to if

1360
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 1: I had to choose a week or so, um, it

1361
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 1: would probably be somewhere in those two time frames. Yeah,

1362
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 1: that that would be wise, Andy common Die. Um. You

1363
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: know if both of you touched on that. The second

1364
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: half of that brought you know, right at as lockdown

1365
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 1: let's loose. Um, the kind of it depends where you're

1366
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 1: in Iowa, but really from November sixteen, seventeenth, that's when

1367
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: lockdown starts to kind of um fall away and for

1368
01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 1: the next week to ten days. Um, that that is

1369
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 1: your opportunity to see that world class year walking around

1370
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 1: doing something really dumb because he's just war out and

1371
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: he's looking for you know, one last dough and that

1372
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,560
Speaker 1: that can be the downfall of him. So um, and

1373
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: that's such a cool at that time period, I think

1374
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: that was an invite, didn't Did Joe just not invite us? Yeah?

1375
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: He did said that would be a great idea for

1376
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 1: you guys to come to. You know, that's a Joe,

1377
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 1: it's a it's such a cool opportunity. Um. You know,

1378
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: there's very few states that have that time frame still

1379
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 1: open when it's archery season. And you know, I've never

1380
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 1: capitalized that. I kind of kicked myself, you know. You

1381
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 1: know once guns season starts here, it's like, you know,

1382
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: I just don't get out. I don't. I don't really

1383
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:54,320
Speaker 1: enjoy that as much. Um. I'll get out a little

1384
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: bit here and there, but you know, it's kind of,

1385
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 1: let's the the wind out of my sales. So I'm

1386
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 1: always looking for ways to and extend that archery season.

1387
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 1: And I think I think I could get in a

1388
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 1: couple other uh you know, maybe a couple of other states,

1389
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 1: or at least some more time in other states and

1390
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:10,640
Speaker 1: still be able to you know, hit Iowa at a

1391
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,719
Speaker 1: good time if I push it back towards that later

1392
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:15,679
Speaker 1: part of Novada. Yeah, you have to be a little

1393
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,600
Speaker 1: more dialed into what the deer doing, so like blasting

1394
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 1: or observations that those are. That's more important than ever

1395
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: before because a lot of times the weather is colder, uh,

1396
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: the does or stock you know, piled up on the

1397
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 1: prime food sources, whether it's acorns or cup corn or

1398
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 1: you know whatever, um, and you but you find those

1399
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: big dough concentrations the boxer circle in the background. Um,

1400
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: they're still you know, they've still got that that urge.

1401
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 1: So um yeah, it's it's uh. I remember you when

1402
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: you last time you drew an IOA tag, you had

1403
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 1: a lot of you had some action packed unts in

1404
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:58,759
Speaker 1: late November, if I remember right. So yeah, yeah, definitely

1405
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm I'm the agenda. So we just talked a little

1406
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 1: bit late in November. I was gonna ask you, Joe,

1407
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 1: to elaborate on how you're hunting that time frame, but

1408
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: you just did so not I want to go to

1409
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 1: the opposite and both you Andy and Jesse mentioned that

1410
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 1: first week of the season, and um you said, Andy

1411
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 1: that if you did your due diligence in September you'd

1412
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: have a good chance. Um, can you elaborate on how

1413
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,679
Speaker 1: you actually go about doing that due diligence to allow

1414
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 1: for successful early season hunt? And what do you do

1415
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 1: specifically those first couple of days of this season in

1416
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 1: a spot that have made that so successful for you? Um? Well,

1417
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, I I will definitely uh do a lot

1418
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: of glassing, you know that for for you know, to

1419
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 1: be specific. I don't I don't waste a ton of

1420
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: time glassing like in August, I do it because I

1421
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,600
Speaker 1: enjoy it then. But for what I've found is, you know,

1422
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 1: there's can be a lot of things that change, you know,

1423
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 1: between in August and say mid September or even late September.

1424
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: So I'll do it a little bit here and there

1425
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 1: in August. Um you know, I'm definitely running cameras and

1426
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 1: stuff and kind of monitoring that way. But um, you know,

1427
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: more so when the season gets closer, you know, that

1428
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: two week period before the season, that's when I really

1429
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,719
Speaker 1: start bearing down. I'm like, you know, now the deer

1430
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: are in more of a pattern that's at least closer

1431
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 1: to the season. Now, a lot of times things change,

1432
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 1: like right even you know, a couple of days before

1433
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 1: the season. But I'm really trying to find a buck

1434
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 1: or two that is showing some sort of movement, you know,

1435
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 1: and you know I might glass them on a food

1436
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 1: source you know, at last light. Um, but you know

1437
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: where I hunt. You know, those food sources are gonna

1438
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 1: there's gonna be guys there. There's gonna be guys there

1439
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 1: on you know, opening evening, no doubt about it. Um

1440
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 1: So more so, I really you know that the areas

1441
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 1: that I hunt, I no intimately I mean, I know

1442
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: him inside and out. I know where the doose bed

1443
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 1: when there's a good buck there, I know where the

1444
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 1: mature buck beds are. So when I see a deer

1445
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 1: show up, and it might be a visual natural camera,

1446
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: it might be just a big track. When I'm walking

1447
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 1: the perimeter of the food sources, you know, I have

1448
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,719
Speaker 1: a pretty good idea of where that deer is betting

1449
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 1: on a given locate, on a given wind direction. You know.

1450
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: So I've tind to fall back on all my scouting

1451
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: that I did in the you know, in the postseason,

1452
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 1: you know, before a green up, um, you know. So

1453
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: I just I feel like I just know those areas

1454
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:33,640
Speaker 1: so well. When a deer does show up, I have

1455
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 1: a pretty good idea how to get him. Now. You know,

1456
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 1: there's always things that kind of come up and change,

1457
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, you get caught flat footed sometimes,

1458
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 1: But for the most part, if one shows up and

1459
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 1: he shows a weakness early in the season, I'm usually

1460
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 1: off the food source fighter to betting cover. Um. You know,

1461
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 1: that could has been within fifty yards of the betted deer,

1462
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 1: it's been within a hundred yards. It just depends. But

1463
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 1: to typically um from what I've seen, even in a

1464
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 1: high pressure state like Michigan, if you can get back

1465
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 1: into that security cover, into their their their core area,

1466
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,879
Speaker 1: their betting area where they feel comfortable, where they've survived

1467
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 1: for years and years, they will move. Now. They might

1468
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: not move far, but they'll move and they'll get up

1469
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: and they'll you know, mill around a little bit and

1470
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,639
Speaker 1: they'll you know, inch their way away from that betting area.

1471
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 1: And you've got to be within that zone and that

1472
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 1: safe zone where they feel safe. You know, that's the

1473
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 1: whole balancing act of you know, a bug out of

1474
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 1: his bed. You've got to determine how close you can

1475
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 1: get without being busted. And that's the key. You got

1476
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 1: to get in without getting busted. But you want to

1477
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,839
Speaker 1: be close enough where they're still gonna move in daylight,

1478
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, in shooting hours, towards your direction. And it's

1479
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 1: a it's a it's a difficult thing to kind of master,

1480
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 1: and I certainly haven't mastered. I certainly screwed up a lot.

1481
01:22:56,280 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: But that's how I kill the majority of my bucks

1482
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:02,679
Speaker 1: in October. You know, I'm tight within the bedding within

1483
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: a hundred yards for sure. Yeah, Yeah, Andy, that's uh.

1484
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 1: Even here in Iowa. You know, I have not killed

1485
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 1: a public land buck on a food source in two days. So, um,

1486
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: it just doesn't happen or you know, UM, where you

1487
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 1: got to get it done is tight to betting. That's

1488
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 1: that's for sure. It did. That depends on pressure. It

1489
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 1: also depends a little bit on terrain, I think, UM,

1490
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: you know here, Yeah, I know I don't have the

1491
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 1: pressure that you guys deal with. UM, but still I'm

1492
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 1: within two hundred yards of betting. You know, it's hard

1493
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 1: in Hell country. It's hard to get within a hundred

1494
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 1: yards very often. UM. It covers a lot of times

1495
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: a little more open and we have high deer densities,

1496
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 1: so there's deer everywhere. And that's another challenge, is just

1497
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:54,679
Speaker 1: trying to not that's a good point. That's a good point. Yeah.

1498
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of hill country here at all,

1499
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,640
Speaker 1: but you mentioned something high deer density. I've hunted some

1500
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:04,719
Speaker 1: very five gear density areas out of state. UM, and

1501
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, one thing I noticed there is that the

1502
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 1: deer um, you know, at least in that area, they

1503
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 1: would move quite far from betting. Um. You know, they're

1504
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 1: the groups of dose And like these younger books that

1505
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 1: would start moving very ear at least they got all

1506
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 1: these kind of sets of eyes that are heading towards

1507
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 1: the food cources early. And then these these big bucks.

1508
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:29,640
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's kind of almost like a you know,

1509
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: they're sending out the dummies, you know early, and if

1510
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: you know, the whole herds is out there town any

1511
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 1: at the food source, those big ones get up and

1512
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 1: we saw some really good deer and shot a couple

1513
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 1: really good deer in food sources kind of those lower

1514
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,799
Speaker 1: pressure states you know, you know, on a food source,

1515
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 1: and it's just the competition is so high it just

1516
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 1: it stimulates earlier movement. But the trick is you gotta

1517
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 1: stay undetected from all those you know, dozens and dozens

1518
01:24:56,240 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 1: of deer that come by first. Jesse, would you add

1519
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 1: anything on the early season front or elaborate on this,

1520
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 1: you know, how close he can be two beds or

1521
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 1: anything that Joe and you have talked about here. Yeah,

1522
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:14,759
Speaker 1: those guys nailed UM. They made great points, especially being

1523
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: that um this platform you have with three different guys

1524
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 1: in three different areas, you're really getting three different UM

1525
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: techniques in two different styles, which is actually good. I

1526
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 1: think it's really good to your listeners. Um, I would,

1527
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,599
Speaker 1: I would. Uh. The only thing I would touch base

1528
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 1: on what they said is like, where I'm from, we

1529
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: have a lot of hedgerows, big agriculture and small blackwoods. So, um,

1530
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 1: you really, I really like killing my home state deer.

1531
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 1: I mean truthfully, I like killing them. If I can

1532
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 1: get them killed the first day to maybe three days,

1533
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: that's that's my goal. And I will put even if

1534
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 1: I got to take those three days off. That's when

1535
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 1: I try and get it done. Um. They haven't been

1536
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 1: screwed up yet most guys. Um. That's when guys are

1537
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,719
Speaker 1: gonna you know, guys are gonna start bombarding the woods. Um.

1538
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 1: One thing I study along with all the deer sign

1539
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 1: as I study the hunter sign. Um. I a lot

1540
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 1: of these guys don't take down any other stands. UM.

1541
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 1: So I use these guys. Um. They will literally pattern

1542
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 1: the deer for you because you can tell when these

1543
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 1: guys start hitting the woods, because the deer's patterns will change.

1544
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:24,679
Speaker 1: I try to kill these dear one before they before

1545
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 1: they change. Um. And if I can glass a shooter

1546
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:33,640
Speaker 1: buck um, I like to see. I don't care if

1547
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 1: I got to kill him in the morning. Or evening,

1548
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:37,479
Speaker 1: and if I know where he's at, Like obviously I

1549
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 1: have hung stands and betting grounds. However, I always have

1550
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:43,720
Speaker 1: seven or eight sets of stands that are ready to

1551
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 1: go with foot pegs and with pull up cords, ready

1552
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:49,839
Speaker 1: to rock, and a lot of times I will stage

1553
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 1: these stands just in the you know, on the edge

1554
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 1: of the woods on the ground. I know it sounds crazy,

1555
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 1: but that way, Um, if I know where a buck

1556
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,800
Speaker 1: is at and he's betted, and I think he's you

1557
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:01,640
Speaker 1: even know the ground. If I think, all right, I

1558
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 1: can sneak in this woods. I think there's deers bed

1559
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: a hundred and took the yards on the on the

1560
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, northwest or I'm sorry, northeast corner, so you

1561
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 1: can wind everything. Um, I'm gonna try and slip in there,

1562
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 1: um and hanging stand thirty yards inside the woods. Um,

1563
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna glass him even before the season starts. I'm

1564
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 1: gonna glass him. If um, if I'm not seeing him,

1565
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have another stand and I'm gonna go another

1566
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 1: thirty forty yards. I know it sounds stupid, but I

1567
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 1: will literally have four or five stands and I'll just

1568
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 1: hang him and keep cheating in and I won't take

1569
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 1: any of them down because if the wind isn't right,

1570
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 1: or the wind is a little more out of the south,

1571
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,679
Speaker 1: I can drop back and I'm not screwing anything up. Uh.

1572
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 1: And then usually for an evening hunt that those would

1573
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:48,600
Speaker 1: be obviously for morning hunts in the woods. Um. And

1574
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 1: I killed numerous deer where I've gone in glassed him

1575
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 1: on a morning hunt and I thought, man, if I

1576
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 1: was just sixty yards closer. Um, they'll go in and

1577
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,120
Speaker 1: bed and a lot of times I'll back out. I know,

1578
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 1: res betted, And if I think the wind is right,

1579
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 1: I'll go for a throw and hang a stand right

1580
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 1: in where it's a horrible spot. Um that every year

1581
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 1: after they get past me, is gonna wind me. Um.

1582
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 1: That's when you've got to be really confident to do that.

1583
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: And you gotta know, Okay, I'm I'm either gonna kill

1584
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 1: him or blow him out. And I would say, which

1585
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 1: is kind of crazy, but seventy at the time, if

1586
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: I make that move, I kill him, and if I don't,

1587
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 1: usually I don't blow him out. He spooked because every

1588
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 1: year that's going past me is snorting and blowing. He

1589
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 1: doesn't know what happened. I don't care what the other dear.

1590
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 1: I think I'll back out. I'll slip out of there

1591
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 1: and I won't do that again. I'll circle back in

1592
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 1: the next morning and start all over again. If he

1593
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 1: if that buck goes by me, he getting shot and

1594
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 1: by the time he wins me, he's dead. So yeah,

1595
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,760
Speaker 1: he doesn't know what's going on. But that's a that's

1596
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 1: how I do it here. Um. But I like that

1597
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 1: early season and if you work hard at it and

1598
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 1: you really you play chess with it and really think

1599
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:05,120
Speaker 1: you aren't smart. I mean, I know people like to think.

1600
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,799
Speaker 1: I just people off of that comment, but you're not smart.

1601
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:11,680
Speaker 1: They're an animal. They're they're a habitual animal. They have wonderful,

1602
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 1: um natural sense of smell. They have great eyes, and

1603
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 1: they have great hearing. They're not smart. We are smart.

1604
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 1: So if you can just study their natural reactions, you're

1605
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 1: going to kill them. So don't site yourself out when

1606
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 1: you're hunting the beer. It's an animal. You're going to

1607
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 1: kill them. You just have to be smarter than them,

1608
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 1: and we are smarter than them. Yeah, you're you're a

1609
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 1: spot on and that I really like how you said

1610
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:39,639
Speaker 1: you gotta go in with you know you're gonna kill

1611
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 1: or blow them out. And that is a trait I've noticed,

1612
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 1: you know, you you you have it. I noticed other

1613
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 1: other you know, hardcore killers have it. And that is

1614
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 1: a mentality you have to have. You know, you have

1615
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 1: to set the groundwork, have that confidence, and then you

1616
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 1: go in mentality because otherwise you hang back, you know,

1617
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 1: and you miss an opportunity. And early things particularly, you've

1618
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: got to be right on it. Both you and Andy

1619
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 1: mentioned that you know, the patterns changed so fast those

1620
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 1: first few days that uh, that's right. Everything changed, the

1621
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 1: crafts changed, the people's pressure change. Um. And you know, Joe,

1622
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:19,879
Speaker 1: the only reason I learned that you gotta learn by mistakes.

1623
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 1: The only reason I learned that I used to kill

1624
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 1: big deer with just grit, just hunting. Before I had kids,

1625
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 1: I hunted non stop, and I found it trusty. I

1626
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 1: wasn't really efficient. Um I killed big deer just by

1627
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 1: being a tough, NonStop, relatively smart hunter. But once I

1628
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 1: had kids in my own business, UM, I took more chances.

1629
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, I don't have time. I

1630
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 1: can't hunt it for the next four days because I've

1631
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:50,679
Speaker 1: got the kids. I gotta get him off to school bus.

1632
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 1: I'm going for this buck tonight. I think everything's right.

1633
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 1: Screw it. I don't care if I screwed up, and

1634
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,719
Speaker 1: all of a sudden it was like, drill them and

1635
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:00,759
Speaker 1: I take more chances now and do the career easiest stuff.

1636
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 1: I killed some deer in the dumbst tree stands. I'm

1637
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 1: not a very big guy, only way a hundred fifties

1638
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 1: sixty pounds. I have killed deer out of stands that

1639
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 1: I've carried in there, climbed up the tree, hung it

1640
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:15,839
Speaker 1: and literally said in it that night in a sumac

1641
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 1: tree that's the size of my thigh, and shot the

1642
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 1: best bucks around. But you've got to take calculated risks. Yeah,

1643
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 1: you're you're exactly that's right. That's exactly my story too.

1644
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 1: You know, once I started having kids, you know, yeah,

1645
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 1: I grew up hunting sixty you know, bow hunts in

1646
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 1: a year. That's long thing in the past, and I'm

1647
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 1: not going to be getting back to that anytime soon,

1648
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 1: if ever. Um. And now, yeah, I want you know,

1649
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 1: I want my target buck and under ten hunts, you know. Um,

1650
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 1: And that's uh, You've got to do so much groundwork

1651
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 1: before that and when the time is right, you have

1652
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 1: to just go all in, you know, I that in

1653
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 1: the edge of a mile field and kill the hunter

1654
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:08,520
Speaker 1: and ten pointer on the ground. You know, something ridiculous.

1655
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 1: He was he was gonna bust me for four times

1656
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 1: out of five, you know, or two times out of three.

1657
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 1: But he didn't, and I got an arrow with him.

1658
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:21,400
Speaker 1: You know, so um that you gotta and and to

1659
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 1: get to that point, you know, it's a journey. You

1660
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:27,679
Speaker 1: can't skip to that point, you know, like I think

1661
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 1: all three of us we needed a huge amount of

1662
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 1: time out there just to kind of build that basic woodsmanship,

1663
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, basic understanding of how dear you know, operate

1664
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 1: and the phases of their you know, the season as

1665
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 1: deer see it, and what hunting pressure means, and you

1666
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 1: know the good access routes, and you know how to

1667
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 1: play the wind and just all the fundamentals. It's so

1668
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 1: important you gotta, you know, for the younger and newer

1669
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:00,720
Speaker 1: hunters out there, just enjoy that ride and then you'll

1670
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 1: get to a point where you can start making some

1671
01:33:03,479 --> 01:33:05,680
Speaker 1: of those decisions. You know, I don't mean that in

1672
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 1: any kind of arrogant sense. It just takes time. You know,

1673
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:12,559
Speaker 1: it takes a ton of time to master, so you

1674
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:16,720
Speaker 1: can't you can't you can't buy that that time. You know,

1675
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 1: I think, I hope I may have touched that, touched

1676
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:23,400
Speaker 1: on that in my my d I Y, but you know,

1677
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 1: I think like you'd be hard pressed to find a

1678
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 1: guy that's been hunting a long time, that's been super

1679
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,960
Speaker 1: successful that you know, like I said, at at some

1680
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 1: point in his life he devoted everything to hunting. I

1681
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:39,760
Speaker 1: mean it literally, you know, every day of the year.

1682
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 1: He was doing something scouting, hunting every day of the

1683
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 1: season and making a ton of mistakes, and you've you've

1684
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 1: got to kind of go through those. It's like trial

1685
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 1: by fire. You kind of got to go through that

1686
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 1: to develop your own style, to develop your own skill,

1687
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 1: and then as it develops, you can you can back off,

1688
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 1: you can hunt much less. But the you know, the

1689
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 1: preparation is where it's all done. You know, all the scouting,

1690
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 1: all the archery, you know, fine tuning your set up,

1691
01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 1: learning your areas and and you know intimately and learning

1692
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 1: the you know, specific dear from year to year and

1693
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 1: their tendencies. Then you're able to make these much more

1694
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 1: uh informed decisions. I call them almost instinctual because you

1695
01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:25,759
Speaker 1: you've done it so many times, You've made these mistakes

1696
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 1: and you you have eliminated them, so you make far

1697
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 1: less mistakes and things almost come like I'm a I'm

1698
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 1: a I describe myself as like a field hunter. I

1699
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 1: get like these feelings, and all it is is a

1700
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 1: just recall of experiences that I've had over and over

1701
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:46,040
Speaker 1: again and mistakes and successes that you know, you get

1702
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:48,720
Speaker 1: these feelings like this is the spot, you know, or

1703
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:50,680
Speaker 1: I need to push in a little bit further. I

1704
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 1: think I can push in a little bit further and

1705
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 1: you get these feelings in which you find is over time,

1706
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 1: these feelings are right more and more often because you've

1707
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:02,599
Speaker 1: you've tried to you're not sitting back, you know, being

1708
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:06,480
Speaker 1: you know lazy or you know you're you're being aggressive

1709
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:09,639
Speaker 1: and you're making those those moves and you're learning, you're

1710
01:35:09,720 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 1: learning what you can get away with, your learning what

1711
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 1: you can't, and you're developing your own style. And it's

1712
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:17,880
Speaker 1: just you have to go through that. Yeah, And I

1713
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 1: feel I feel I feel bad for some of these

1714
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 1: guys that you know kind of joined the beasts and

1715
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:25,840
Speaker 1: they're already married and they're you know, I you know,

1716
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 1: maybe in their mid thirties and they already got kids

1717
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:30,679
Speaker 1: and stuff, and they have the heart, you know, they

1718
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 1: want to they want to do it, and it's that

1719
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, really it's like, you know, that's those young

1720
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 1: guys that you know, they're in high school and you know,

1721
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,280
Speaker 1: just out of high school and they're just pounding away

1722
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 1: at this and they're developing, you know, their craft and

1723
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 1: and honing their skills, and don't you need that time?

1724
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:50,920
Speaker 1: And when you're married with kids, it's like, you know,

1725
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 1: it's it's it's really hard to do it at that

1726
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 1: time because you know you're taking away from someone that's

1727
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 1: much more important, you know than being a good deer hunter.

1728
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 1: So guys could also those guys can also everybody has

1729
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 1: a different um success platform um and going out finding

1730
01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:11,559
Speaker 1: a even if even if all you're finding and you know,

1731
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 1: if in your state a one twenty is a good

1732
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:16,519
Speaker 1: deer and you can fire a decent deer. If you

1733
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 1: can find a one twenty and you don't have a

1734
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 1: lot of time and you can figure that beer out

1735
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 1: and you can put a clean shot on that deer,

1736
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 1: you should be proud of that, dear. If you know

1737
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:28,639
Speaker 1: especially if you're raising a couple of kids. That's my

1738
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 1: my trophy standards have gotten lower. Um. And because of that,

1739
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:36,759
Speaker 1: you know, because of the lack of the time. However,

1740
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:38,759
Speaker 1: when I kill something now, it just so much sweeter,

1741
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:44,720
Speaker 1: um than the Baiblins I killed fifteen years ago, because um,

1742
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, I killed him with blood, sweat and tears

1743
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:50,479
Speaker 1: before and now I'm killing the quick clean knowledge. And

1744
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 1: even though those guys, you know, you don't want to

1745
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:54,760
Speaker 1: tell those guys that if you're thirty five and you're

1746
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 1: just now taking it serious, um, you're really never gonna

1747
01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:00,640
Speaker 1: be an elite guy. That's that's not true. I mean

1748
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:04,559
Speaker 1: everybody's eliteness is different, you know, like I will never

1749
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 1: be at Joe's caliber. Like I'm I'm not, Um, I'm

1750
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 1: hunting a different hunting a different you know. It's just

1751
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:20,559
Speaker 1: a different world, state, different different that. Yeah, yeah, no,

1752
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 1: and it's but I'm very proud of it. Sounds stupid.

1753
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 1: I've got some you know, some big deer um, and

1754
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:29,719
Speaker 1: I'm very proud of them that are from other states. Kansas,

1755
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:33,720
Speaker 1: in in Arizona, in Montana, um. And I'll tell you

1756
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:35,519
Speaker 1: there's a couple of hundred and ten incres a hundred

1757
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 1: that are on my floor that are skull mounts that

1758
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 1: are the biggest trophies, and they came from them from

1759
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:47,799
Speaker 1: working hard and hard to kill states. So everybody's trophy

1760
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:49,840
Speaker 1: is different. And if you did a good job and

1761
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:53,719
Speaker 1: you're enjoying it, um, it really isn't a It sounds stupid,

1762
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:56,800
Speaker 1: but it is about telling big stuff. But those guys

1763
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 1: can't feel bad if you're just taking it serious at

1764
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:01,680
Speaker 1: thirty five and got three kids. Man, go out and

1765
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 1: live for the moment, even if you only get five cents.

1766
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 1: Breathe that air. That that's whole air, and and take

1767
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 1: the whole thing in uh and do the best you can.

1768
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 1: You can't compare yourself to um, you know everybody else

1769
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:17,720
Speaker 1: You've You've got to try and beat yourself every year

1770
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 1: and be happy with that. That's yeah, because we we

1771
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:27,400
Speaker 1: really we we all get and I'm bad at I've

1772
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 1: been bad at this. This big buck thing kills all

1773
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 1: of us. I mean, it will eat you up and

1774
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 1: you will become consumed, and sometimes you don't even enjoy it.

1775
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:37,880
Speaker 1: I've got buddies all over the country. They're legit, they're

1776
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:41,840
Speaker 1: like they're they're world class. Guys um and they'll get

1777
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 1: so they're passing up one eighties because they know there's

1778
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 1: a you know, at to eleven and it's like, dude,

1779
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:51,960
Speaker 1: you're killing yourself and that's why they're world class guys.

1780
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:55,320
Speaker 1: But don't, don't, don't get down on yourself killing and

1781
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 1: fifty at your enjoy it. That's a great buck and

1782
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 1: and be happy. You know. Yeah, absolutely, man oh man,

1783
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:07,120
Speaker 1: I am, I am loving this conversation. But we are

1784
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 1: going to hit pause for one quick second here to

1785
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:13,360
Speaker 1: take our final break of the day and think our

1786
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:17,559
Speaker 1: partners at Matthew's Archery. And as we've been discussing over

1787
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 1: a handful of our past episodes, Matthews launched their new

1788
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:24,160
Speaker 1: bow this past fall, the Matthews Try Acts, and today

1789
01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:26,559
Speaker 1: we're gonna hear just a bit more about the new

1790
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:31,240
Speaker 1: rig from world class archer Levi Morgan. You know, the

1791
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:35,080
Speaker 1: tracks was I think originally built for the white tail

1792
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 1: hunter tree stand blinds, so compact and uh quiet, but

1793
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, on my adventure arounts, what I found is

1794
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:44,000
Speaker 1: I love it for everything. I love it for mountain hunts,

1795
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:47,679
Speaker 1: white tail hunts, tree stand blind it doesn't matter because

1796
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:52,360
Speaker 1: I love the idea of a compact bow UM, but

1797
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:55,600
Speaker 1: I only love that idea if I'm not sacrifice and accuracy,

1798
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:58,720
Speaker 1: and with the tracks, I definitely found out real quick

1799
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:01,920
Speaker 1: that I wasn't i' is good at shooting bows I've

1800
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:05,040
Speaker 1: ever shot in my life. It's it's fast and quiet

1801
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:10,400
Speaker 1: and so small, dead in the hand. Literally it's killing machine.

1802
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 1: And pretty much every scenario we put it through, and

1803
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:15,639
Speaker 1: we put it through the test last year, a lot

1804
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:17,320
Speaker 1: of other people I have talked to have just mentioned

1805
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 1: how quiet is how this new UM stabilizing system and

1806
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 1: the silencers are making a big impact. Is that something

1807
01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 1: you've noticed too, and is that substantially different than other

1808
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:30,840
Speaker 1: BOWSY shot? Yeah, I think I've I've learned that for

1809
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 1: sure throughout the year. I honestly knew it was quiet

1810
01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:36,720
Speaker 1: whenever I shot it. But what we really was kind

1811
01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:38,800
Speaker 1: of the telltale sign was we started, you know, I

1812
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 1: was hitting animals lower and lower than in the heart

1813
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:45,080
Speaker 1: because I always aimed low because of white tails ducking

1814
01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:47,479
Speaker 1: on me in the past, and so I've just kind

1815
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:50,479
Speaker 1: of programmed myself to aim low, and I just kept

1816
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:52,679
Speaker 1: hitting them right rather aiming and the heart, and which

1817
01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 1: is a good thing, but I felt like I was

1818
01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:57,559
Speaker 1: flirting with being a little too low. So we started

1819
01:40:57,600 --> 01:40:59,760
Speaker 1: going back through the footage this year and it was

1820
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:02,599
Speaker 1: an amazing at how these animals were just standing there

1821
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:06,880
Speaker 1: yards taking these shots um with the tracks and not

1822
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:10,040
Speaker 1: budgeting at all. So I think that was a true

1823
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:14,880
Speaker 1: testament to how quiet these bows really are. If you'd

1824
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 1: like to learn more about the Matthews tracks, you can

1825
01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:22,080
Speaker 1: visit Matthews Inc. Dot com. And now back to the show.

1826
01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:26,160
Speaker 1: So when you're when you're making this switch, because we've

1827
01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 1: talked a lot about all three of you, and I

1828
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 1: just want to say the last like twenty minutes you

1829
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:32,200
Speaker 1: guys have been talking back and forth has been like

1830
01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 1: some of my most enjoyable time on the podcast. Like

1831
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:36,800
Speaker 1: I should just let you guys just sit here and

1832
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:38,240
Speaker 1: talk and I should just sit out of it and

1833
01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:41,559
Speaker 1: not say anything. Well, we're going to Iowa in November.

1834
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:47,519
Speaker 1: You can come in video we're gonna do. I like that.

1835
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:53,360
Speaker 1: I like that idea, you guys draw tag Let me know, yeah,

1836
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:54,960
Speaker 1: the same here man, you could come to New York

1837
01:41:55,000 --> 01:42:01,040
Speaker 1: any time. Trade right, So sore where you guys are

1838
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:03,240
Speaker 1: talking a lot about these lessons that you've learned. The

1839
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:07,200
Speaker 1: hard way though, um, and how it took those those

1840
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:09,680
Speaker 1: challenges for you to now be where you're at at

1841
01:42:09,720 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 1: this point. Can each of you, and let's start with you, Andy, Um,

1842
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:17,479
Speaker 1: can each of you point to a specific challenge that

1843
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:20,559
Speaker 1: you had as you've been through this journey to become

1844
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:24,120
Speaker 1: a better hunter for these big mature bucks, So a

1845
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:27,680
Speaker 1: specific challenge that really changed the game for you. You

1846
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 1: have this aha moment because of this realization or this issue. Um, Andy,

1847
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:37,519
Speaker 1: can you start on something like that? Sure? Um, yeah,

1848
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:39,920
Speaker 1: I mean there's a few, uh, you know, one that

1849
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:45,040
Speaker 1: stands out is you know, mature deer are are different

1850
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:48,720
Speaker 1: right there. Not uh, They're not like every other deer

1851
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:51,839
Speaker 1: in the woods. And that's that's where most guys, probably

1852
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:55,720
Speaker 1: your most average guys, that's probably where you know they

1853
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:58,320
Speaker 1: miss step right off the bat. You know, they want

1854
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 1: to see dear you know, they see you know five,

1855
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:05,639
Speaker 1: you know, five or six bucks. You know they're coming

1856
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:08,040
Speaker 1: back in and they're they're bragging about it, or they're

1857
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:10,000
Speaker 1: they're excited. You know, I saw three point in the

1858
01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:13,080
Speaker 1: six point and the point. You know, a bunch of

1859
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:15,960
Speaker 1: does and you know that's all fine and dandy, but

1860
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:19,160
Speaker 1: really a mature deer is a different animal, um, and

1861
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:21,800
Speaker 1: they behave different they have different tendencies, and that's you

1862
01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:26,400
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta make that switch, um, you know, the

1863
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:30,320
Speaker 1: hunting a mature deer and really uh kind of learning

1864
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:32,640
Speaker 1: the tendencies of the mature deer, at least in the

1865
01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 1: area you're hunting. And that's obviously you know, different for

1866
01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:38,120
Speaker 1: different areas. But you know, for for me, Michigan, I'm

1867
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:40,360
Speaker 1: gonna kind of focus on that. It's you know, I've

1868
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:43,000
Speaker 1: always had to kind of get close and they're they're

1869
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:45,639
Speaker 1: close to their betting area and uh, you know, really

1870
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:49,640
Speaker 1: kind of fine tune that strategy. Um, you know, just

1871
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:54,320
Speaker 1: getting in tight where they feel comfortable moving in daylight. Um.

1872
01:43:54,360 --> 01:43:56,519
Speaker 1: You know, in the next thing, I would probably say

1873
01:43:57,040 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 1: like timing. You know, You've I've wrote a couple articles

1874
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:03,719
Speaker 1: about you know, my first sit, you know, in any

1875
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:06,360
Speaker 1: location is my best chance at the mature buck. And

1876
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:09,680
Speaker 1: that's I've shown that time and time again through my

1877
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:12,080
Speaker 1: own hunts. I think of my kills are on the

1878
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:15,559
Speaker 1: very first sit in that spot. So you know what

1879
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do is I'm trying to save those spots,

1880
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:20,680
Speaker 1: my high percentage spots for when the conditions are right

1881
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:23,360
Speaker 1: when they're perfect, um, you know, and that might be

1882
01:44:23,439 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 1: the time of year, it might be uh, you know,

1883
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:29,280
Speaker 1: the time of year where that area tends to draw

1884
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:31,760
Speaker 1: in a mature dear. It might be a mature dear

1885
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:35,240
Speaker 1: his tendency in that area, like he he shows up

1886
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, early season or maybe you know it's an

1887
01:44:38,439 --> 01:44:40,639
Speaker 1: area where he every year he shows up during the rut.

1888
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:44,479
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna focus my sits during that time. Um.

1889
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 1: So just keeping the pressure level off those spots and

1890
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:51,599
Speaker 1: moving in when the conditions are right. Um. And then

1891
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, for me, I've talked about it a couple

1892
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:57,280
Speaker 1: of times. Um, but you've got to be able to

1893
01:44:57,280 --> 01:45:01,240
Speaker 1: pull that shot off on on that deer and you

1894
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:04,960
Speaker 1: gotta eat you. I'm sure we all know. Um, we

1895
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:06,559
Speaker 1: probably have a buddy. We probably have a few of

1896
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:09,960
Speaker 1: them that would have an amazing wall of bucks if

1897
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:12,760
Speaker 1: they were able to capitalize on the shot. So I know,

1898
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:15,280
Speaker 1: I do, um, you know, And I know they're gonna

1899
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:17,320
Speaker 1: listen to this, and and and you know I'm not

1900
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:21,000
Speaker 1: poking fun at all. I've I've tried to to help

1901
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:23,360
Speaker 1: you know, most of them through that because I went

1902
01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 1: through it, you know, there was um most of the times. Yeah,

1903
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:29,559
Speaker 1: you know for me, you know, I'm kind of an

1904
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:32,160
Speaker 1: archery nut, so you know, I'm I'm into archery as

1905
01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 1: I am into hunting, so I I you know, somewhere

1906
01:45:35,439 --> 01:45:38,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of my career, I developed severe target panic,

1907
01:45:38,520 --> 01:45:41,560
Speaker 1: UM crazy like to the point where I was I

1908
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:44,920
Speaker 1: couldn't even put my pin on something without punching off

1909
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:47,479
Speaker 1: that trigger. And I remember I remember calling Jesse one

1910
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:49,200
Speaker 1: year and I was like, I don't know if you

1911
01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:51,800
Speaker 1: remember this, Jessie, but I called you. I was like, gosh,

1912
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:53,679
Speaker 1: you know, I think I screwed up on like three

1913
01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:56,080
Speaker 1: big Bucks in like a two week period, and I

1914
01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:58,760
Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, I'm so frustrated. And you know,

1915
01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:01,240
Speaker 1: you had like an amazing here he killed that giant

1916
01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 1: in Dansas and you're like, man, I don't I don't

1917
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 1: know what to say. I feel bad because you could

1918
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:08,680
Speaker 1: hear you know. It's I was just I was just

1919
01:46:08,760 --> 01:46:11,400
Speaker 1: looking for you know, I was trying to get some

1920
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:13,880
Speaker 1: advice on like, you know, maybe someone that has been

1921
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 1: through that. But it didn't sound like you had. But

1922
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:19,080
Speaker 1: I've never had it. I've always heard of it. I

1923
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:21,160
Speaker 1: don't believe in that stuff. I don't listen to other people.

1924
01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:22,920
Speaker 1: I don't let people get in my head. I don't

1925
01:46:22,920 --> 01:46:24,640
Speaker 1: even want to listen to this. I've been talking my

1926
01:46:25,200 --> 01:46:29,200
Speaker 1: finger in my ear the whole time. No start started

1927
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:36,080
Speaker 1: talking about something else. Yeah, yeah, but you got you gotta.

1928
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't even think about it. But

1929
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:43,360
Speaker 1: for me, you know, that was a huge challenge. UM,

1930
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:47,040
Speaker 1: when I worked through it, Um, you know, I I

1931
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:49,759
Speaker 1: talked to a lot of guys, a lot of good archers,

1932
01:46:49,800 --> 01:46:52,439
Speaker 1: and you know, I developed a you know, my own

1933
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:55,040
Speaker 1: way of shooting, you know, and it kind of beat

1934
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:59,240
Speaker 1: that target panic and for me, it's a much more

1935
01:46:59,320 --> 01:47:02,519
Speaker 1: relaxed way of shooting. There's no anticipation, there's no urge

1936
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 1: to rush the shot. I'm in complete control. So ever

1937
01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:08,640
Speaker 1: since then, UM, I can say like my shots have

1938
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 1: all been you know, on the money, and and you know,

1939
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:15,200
Speaker 1: it's a wild animal, so you know, they move sometimes

1940
01:47:15,240 --> 01:47:18,280
Speaker 1: things aren't always perfect, and there's branches and twigs and whatnot.

1941
01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:21,160
Speaker 1: But you know, as far as my shot execution, it's

1942
01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:23,439
Speaker 1: where I wanted to be. And and uh, you know

1943
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:25,920
Speaker 1: that was that for me personally, was a big challenge.

1944
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:28,519
Speaker 1: But I would say those three things you know, kind

1945
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:30,920
Speaker 1: of some challenging and some you know, you know, I

1946
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:34,080
Speaker 1: guess stepping stones that kind of helps me be more successful.

1947
01:47:34,479 --> 01:47:38,080
Speaker 1: It's great. What about you, Jesse, I hit me with

1948
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:40,840
Speaker 1: a question. Again, we got so off on that. Yeah.

1949
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:43,920
Speaker 1: So so I'm just curious about what, you know, if

1950
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 1: there was a specific challenge or AHA moment that happened

1951
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:50,280
Speaker 1: over the course of your you know, growth as a

1952
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:52,040
Speaker 1: deer hunter that has made a big difference for you

1953
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:55,719
Speaker 1: that you can point to. Ah. Yeah, I would say, um,

1954
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, I think everybody does have an AHA moment

1955
01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:03,200
Speaker 1: um and I would say, um, I definitely did when

1956
01:48:03,240 --> 01:48:07,240
Speaker 1: I was probably you know, I grew up um, just

1957
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:11,479
Speaker 1: a pretty humble farm kid. And really my dad was

1958
01:48:11,479 --> 01:48:14,160
Speaker 1: a good hunter, but he was a meat hunter like I. Actually,

1959
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:15,960
Speaker 1: I don't think my dad has ever killed a buck.

1960
01:48:16,040 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 1: He's literally, um, he was always just go out. He's

1961
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:24,840
Speaker 1: a woodsman, kill rabbits, kill woodchucks, tom fox everything, you

1962
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:27,240
Speaker 1: sell a pelt, you live out the land type of guy.

1963
01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:30,200
Speaker 1: He's not a trophy hunter. So I just grew up um,

1964
01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:31,920
Speaker 1: and it really turned out good for me. I grew

1965
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:35,599
Speaker 1: up just truthfully, just a murderer, just just knowing how

1966
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:37,439
Speaker 1: to move, when to move, when not to move, and

1967
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:41,080
Speaker 1: kill stuff. Um. My parents divorced when I was really young,

1968
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:43,640
Speaker 1: so I didn't see my dad a lot. Um. And

1969
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:46,040
Speaker 1: really one of my jobs that my mom's was, you know,

1970
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:49,679
Speaker 1: just just kill stuff, just get stuff killed. Um. So

1971
01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, when I was probably twenty, I would say

1972
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:56,920
Speaker 1: I had killed, you know, luckily a couple of decent

1973
01:48:56,960 --> 01:49:00,000
Speaker 1: box but nothing big and I and they weren't calculated kills.

1974
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:02,960
Speaker 1: They were a kid walking out to a tree sitting

1975
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:05,680
Speaker 1: in it because his dad sat there thirty years ago. Uh.

1976
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:09,280
Speaker 1: And one day I was sitting in a tree, and um,

1977
01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:13,559
Speaker 1: I had seen a good deer in this area, and

1978
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 1: I thought, why is this deer not here? You know,

1979
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm doing everything. Yeah, my dad taught me, I'm doing

1980
01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:21,439
Speaker 1: everything that everybody tells me to do, and I'm just

1981
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:24,759
Speaker 1: having average success. And then I realized, like, I'm literally

1982
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:29,120
Speaker 1: sitting here listening to everybody else's advice, and um, I

1983
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:32,400
Speaker 1: kind of I it was actually good when I kind

1984
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:33,880
Speaker 1: of had a fallen out with my dad, so I

1985
01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:35,559
Speaker 1: kind of took everything he had ever said to me

1986
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:37,639
Speaker 1: in my life and I questioned it and I thought,

1987
01:49:37,640 --> 01:49:40,720
Speaker 1: you know what I got to start evaluating everything and

1988
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:43,000
Speaker 1: take my own knowledge in my own notes. And I

1989
01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:45,880
Speaker 1: literally remember the moment I grabbed my bow, looked onto it,

1990
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:48,080
Speaker 1: I lowered it, and I walked out of the woods.

1991
01:49:48,200 --> 01:49:50,519
Speaker 1: And I realized right away I had been walking into

1992
01:49:50,600 --> 01:49:53,800
Speaker 1: this woods the way my dad taught me to. Um,

1993
01:49:53,880 --> 01:49:57,160
Speaker 1: we would park the truck on this laneway, walk all

1994
01:49:57,200 --> 01:49:59,880
Speaker 1: the way down this hedgerow with the wind that are

1995
01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:03,360
Speaker 1: act and then walk into the woods and sit in

1996
01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:06,720
Speaker 1: a tree. This is stupid. And I realized right then, like,

1997
01:50:07,439 --> 01:50:09,439
Speaker 1: he's not really that great at a hunter. He's a

1998
01:50:09,439 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 1: gun hunter. Um. And right then I started studying how

1999
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:18,439
Speaker 1: things work. And I literally can't even tell you the

2000
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:22,400
Speaker 1: confidence that just shot through me right away because I knew,

2001
01:50:22,439 --> 01:50:25,360
Speaker 1: like I already I am gonna I'm gonna be better

2002
01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:28,200
Speaker 1: than my dad. Like this, this is stupid. How could

2003
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:31,040
Speaker 1: you even contemplate going in the way that we've always

2004
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:34,920
Speaker 1: been doing it. I started studying other guys, and I realized, like,

2005
01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:39,040
Speaker 1: they're screwing everything up. And that was you know, that

2006
01:50:39,080 --> 01:50:42,439
Speaker 1: was the first year I killed like a hundred you know,

2007
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:44,200
Speaker 1: which for New York is big, Like I think he

2008
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:47,639
Speaker 1: netted one two. Uh, And I have killed a tope

2009
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:51,680
Speaker 1: and young buck ever since, every year since. I think

2010
01:50:51,680 --> 01:50:54,400
Speaker 1: there might be one year that I shot one with

2011
01:50:54,439 --> 01:50:58,639
Speaker 1: a muzzloader instead of the ball, But um, but that

2012
01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:03,439
Speaker 1: was and that's, in my opinion, that's something everyone should do.

2013
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:06,320
Speaker 1: I think you should take what Joe says, analyze it

2014
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:09,840
Speaker 1: and and really think about it. But but don't be

2015
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:12,000
Speaker 1: afraid question and put it to the test as far

2016
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:15,000
Speaker 1: as where you live in your style, take what Andy says.

2017
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:19,320
Speaker 1: Don't put anything any of us say in gold and anything.

2018
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:22,040
Speaker 1: These guys right, it's great that they're writing articles and stuff.

2019
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:24,040
Speaker 1: And I've learned a lot from a lot of their articles,

2020
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:26,400
Speaker 1: but a lot of it is nonsense. So don't take

2021
01:51:26,479 --> 01:51:31,080
Speaker 1: it uh to heart. Find your own style and find

2022
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:33,960
Speaker 1: your own way and in master and be a master

2023
01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:37,479
Speaker 1: of your style. And I think that has helped me

2024
01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:40,679
Speaker 1: a lot. I forget. I literally just forgot about everything

2025
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:43,040
Speaker 1: anybody had ever said to me about hunting. And I

2026
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:47,400
Speaker 1: started my own studying of how things worked. I kept

2027
01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:50,559
Speaker 1: my own notes and I worked off my own results,

2028
01:51:50,640 --> 01:51:53,880
Speaker 1: and really, um, it has changed and I and I've

2029
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:57,240
Speaker 1: varied it, but but it's it works. And and that

2030
01:51:57,320 --> 01:52:01,040
Speaker 1: was my turning. That was my big turning moment. And um,

2031
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:04,720
Speaker 1: I would recommend everybody take advice, but evaluate it and

2032
01:52:04,720 --> 01:52:07,000
Speaker 1: and and test it and then take your own notes.

2033
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:09,240
Speaker 1: And don't be afraid to be different. Don't be afraid

2034
01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:10,920
Speaker 1: to have a different style. If you notice everything and

2035
01:52:11,080 --> 01:52:13,240
Speaker 1: he says, and everything Joe says, remember the I say,

2036
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:16,480
Speaker 1: it's really slightly different. And we're all very successful guys.

2037
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:22,160
Speaker 1: Everybody has a style and it works such such great points.

2038
01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:25,559
Speaker 1: That's really well said. I can go to agree. Um,

2039
01:52:25,800 --> 01:52:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, you've gotta make your own way. So so, Joe,

2040
01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:36,240
Speaker 1: what would be your take on this question? Yeah, so um,

2041
01:52:36,479 --> 01:52:39,200
Speaker 1: they both said a lot of things I could relate to.

2042
01:52:39,320 --> 01:52:42,680
Speaker 1: First off, Jesse, the year background is pretty similar to

2043
01:52:42,760 --> 01:52:46,439
Speaker 1: mine as far as you know. I grew up hunting

2044
01:52:46,479 --> 01:52:49,479
Speaker 1: to eat. Um. You know, we didn't have much money

2045
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:53,080
Speaker 1: and we needed to put food on the table, and

2046
01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:55,439
Speaker 1: that was my job. And I you know, I started,

2047
01:52:56,160 --> 01:52:59,840
Speaker 1: I killed hundreds of rabbits and squirrels, everything go fall,

2048
01:53:00,160 --> 01:53:02,720
Speaker 1: you know, that was my That was my start. And

2049
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:06,160
Speaker 1: then yeah, I killed deer for the meat. You know,

2050
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:09,600
Speaker 1: you get you need a deer, you need food, you

2051
01:53:09,680 --> 01:53:16,400
Speaker 1: kill it, you know. So um, it was very methodical. Um, yeah, yeah,

2052
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:18,800
Speaker 1: it's fun, but it was, um, you know that's where

2053
01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:22,880
Speaker 1: I developed, um, you know, some sense of woodsmanship and

2054
01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:26,719
Speaker 1: and you know, how to how to move, when to move,

2055
01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:29,000
Speaker 1: when not to move, you know, how to make the shot.

2056
01:53:29,160 --> 01:53:32,240
Speaker 1: That kind of thing. It was in my teens. Um.

2057
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:35,679
Speaker 1: I can definitely relate to that. And then what Andy said,

2058
01:53:36,120 --> 01:53:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, um, definitely an aha moment hunting mature bucks

2059
01:53:41,960 --> 01:53:44,680
Speaker 1: or what they are not just dear you know that

2060
01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:47,160
Speaker 1: was that was kind of the first big when I

2061
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:49,960
Speaker 1: was deer hunting, you know, I was deer hunting, deer hunting,

2062
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:53,479
Speaker 1: deer hunting, and then um, yeah, it was you know

2063
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:56,320
Speaker 1: I wasn't that long ago, and fifteen years ago probably

2064
01:53:56,360 --> 01:53:59,000
Speaker 1: I was realized, you know what I was doing a

2065
01:53:59,120 --> 01:54:02,040
Speaker 1: silly U was sitting in a tree stand, you know,

2066
01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:06,000
Speaker 1: dreaming about a big buck and looking at you know

2067
01:54:06,040 --> 01:54:12,439
Speaker 1: a bunch of those who will buy so um um anyway, yeah,

2068
01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:21,200
Speaker 1: so sorry, my kid just interrupted me. I've been waving

2069
01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:23,960
Speaker 1: in mind, telling go back, go back. I'm yeah, yeah,

2070
01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:27,519
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I did. So, uh, you know, so

2071
01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:30,800
Speaker 1: I can relate to that second um, you know, first

2072
01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:33,200
Speaker 1: time sis, that's kind of um, you know, there was

2073
01:54:33,240 --> 01:54:36,879
Speaker 1: another step in the right direction and a huge improvement

2074
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:39,800
Speaker 1: in my efficiency when I realized, hey, you know, I'm

2075
01:54:39,800 --> 01:54:43,200
Speaker 1: sitting some spots four or five six times, and I'm

2076
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:46,959
Speaker 1: killing big buck on the first sit in in the location.

2077
01:54:47,120 --> 01:54:49,280
Speaker 1: You know those spots that are great spots. So I'm

2078
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:51,440
Speaker 1: gonna try it again. You know, you're not gonna kill

2079
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:55,800
Speaker 1: that a resident thing buck. They're onto you, so, um,

2080
01:54:56,040 --> 01:54:58,240
Speaker 1: that's true. And and then making the shot, you know

2081
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:01,919
Speaker 1: you call it target pan or whatever. I did definitely

2082
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:04,720
Speaker 1: struggle with making the shot early on in my bow

2083
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:08,560
Speaker 1: hunting career. You know, I had a pretty lousy track record. UM,

2084
01:55:08,680 --> 01:55:12,520
Speaker 1: but I wasn't satisfied with it. UM. I changed my

2085
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:17,320
Speaker 1: practice routine to better reflect basically real hunting situations. So

2086
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:20,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't just sitting there, you know, shooting or standing

2087
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:22,760
Speaker 1: there shooting arrows and my t shirts and flip flops,

2088
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, and that was it. UM. Trying to many

2089
01:55:26,160 --> 01:55:29,760
Speaker 1: coming situations, I get a lot more visualization, and that

2090
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:31,720
Speaker 1: was huge for me. You know, when I'm sitting in

2091
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:34,440
Speaker 1: a tree, I'm gonna you know, I'm in the woods,

2092
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:37,680
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about how buck could come by both easy

2093
01:55:37,880 --> 01:55:40,400
Speaker 1: shots and hard shots. What do I have to do

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01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:45,560
Speaker 1: to get the shot made. Um And I I don't know,

2095
01:55:45,680 --> 01:55:50,320
Speaker 1: I've just seen a huge improvement in how uh you know,

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01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:54,320
Speaker 1: basically my percentage of encounters that result in kills and

2097
01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:59,400
Speaker 1: also you know, missing or wounding animals that I have.

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01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I've been able to maintain the last

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01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:06,880
Speaker 1: called years or so a really good track record of

2100
01:56:06,920 --> 01:56:09,280
Speaker 1: getting the job done. And I put it all towards

2101
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, preparate you know, preparing for the shop, practicing,

2102
01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:19,680
Speaker 1: uh you know, and well visualizing how an animal could

2103
01:56:19,880 --> 01:56:22,080
Speaker 1: could come in and you know, okay, what if he

2104
01:56:22,120 --> 01:56:24,120
Speaker 1: comes in back there and I got to twist around,

2105
01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:26,120
Speaker 1: and what what if I have a split second shot?

2106
01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:32,080
Speaker 1: What do I do? And you know, caring for yeah yeah,

2107
01:56:32,240 --> 01:56:34,560
Speaker 1: um And And it has made the difference on several

2108
01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:37,960
Speaker 1: bucks that I know. If I had thought about that

2109
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:41,680
Speaker 1: a situation very similar to that beforehand, I wouldn't have

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01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:44,000
Speaker 1: killed that buck. But it was, you know, maybe a

2111
01:56:44,040 --> 01:56:48,320
Speaker 1: split second shot opportunity where he just paused, but I

2112
01:56:48,360 --> 01:56:51,080
Speaker 1: was kind of expecting it or become in a direction

2113
01:56:51,080 --> 01:56:53,480
Speaker 1: that I wasn't expecting. But I thought, hey, what if

2114
01:56:53,480 --> 01:56:55,080
Speaker 1: a buck comes in back there? What do I have

2115
01:56:55,120 --> 01:56:56,520
Speaker 1: to do to get that shot. How do I have

2116
01:56:56,520 --> 01:56:59,840
Speaker 1: to twist around? You know? Um, and it's it's the

2117
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:06,520
Speaker 1: eat it happen. So that's that's I guess pretty much. Ship. Um,

2118
01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:08,920
Speaker 1: there's been all you know. There's probably many more, but

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01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:13,200
Speaker 1: that's that's good stuff. So I want to ask you

2120
01:57:13,200 --> 01:57:15,680
Speaker 1: guys two more questions. I'd like to keep it here

2121
01:57:15,720 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 1: for for much longer, but I wasted a half hour

2122
01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:20,640
Speaker 1: your time before we even got this podcast going because

2123
01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:24,440
Speaker 1: of technology. So I need to need to kind of

2124
01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:26,600
Speaker 1: move things along and maybe we're just gonna have to

2125
01:57:26,640 --> 01:57:28,600
Speaker 1: do it five more of these over the course of

2126
01:57:28,600 --> 01:57:30,920
Speaker 1: the next couple of months, because I don't know about

2127
01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:32,640
Speaker 1: you guys, but I could. I could talk to these

2128
01:57:32,640 --> 01:57:35,440
Speaker 1: guys all night. It is so refreshing to talk to

2129
01:57:36,120 --> 01:57:40,240
Speaker 1: guys are literally I want to finish their sentences that

2130
01:57:40,280 --> 01:57:43,480
Speaker 1: I know they can finish mine. It's really uh, it's

2131
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:46,280
Speaker 1: an art. It's it's exciting to talk to guys who

2132
01:57:46,720 --> 01:57:49,920
Speaker 1: literally get it. They literally get it. So I'm fine

2133
01:57:49,960 --> 01:57:56,640
Speaker 1: to stay all night podcast. I'd be good for a

2134
01:57:56,640 --> 01:57:58,640
Speaker 1: little while, but I don't know how my wife could

2135
01:57:58,640 --> 01:58:02,960
Speaker 1: feel if I was here at two. Yeah, I think

2136
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:09,080
Speaker 1: we've made it clear that Joe is a quitter. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2137
01:58:09,240 --> 01:58:13,280
Speaker 1: So so let's let's shift the topic a little bit.

2138
01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:15,360
Speaker 1: And it's something that you guys have alluded to all

2139
01:58:15,400 --> 01:58:17,920
Speaker 1: throughout our conversation. It's always kind of been something you

2140
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:21,160
Speaker 1: mentioned here, there, something you're thinking about. Um, but I

2141
01:58:21,160 --> 01:58:24,560
Speaker 1: think this is a topic that many deer hunters can

2142
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:28,000
Speaker 1: point to as another one of their AHA moments, that

2143
01:58:28,120 --> 01:58:31,360
Speaker 1: being when they started really thinking about wind in one

2144
01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:33,960
Speaker 1: way or another that also took them to a different

2145
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:36,440
Speaker 1: level from a deer hunting standpoint. I remember, kind of

2146
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:37,960
Speaker 1: like you guys all talked about. I grew up just

2147
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:40,080
Speaker 1: hunting like my dad did. I just walked into the woods,

2148
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:43,080
Speaker 1: set after a tree, never even thought about the implications

2149
01:58:43,080 --> 01:58:44,760
Speaker 1: of what the wind was doing that day, and just

2150
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:48,400
Speaker 1: changing that one thing just there's a light switch moment,

2151
01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:51,760
Speaker 1: without a doubt. So let's start with you, Andy, I

2152
01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:55,600
Speaker 1: guess can you talk about how wind factors into what

2153
01:58:55,680 --> 01:58:58,480
Speaker 1: you do, whether that be how you try to avoid

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01:58:58,480 --> 01:59:01,840
Speaker 1: getting winded, or how wind maybe impacts where you think

2155
01:59:01,880 --> 01:59:05,360
Speaker 1: deer will be betted or where they'll move or anything

2156
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:07,800
Speaker 1: like that. Can you talk to me about wind and

2157
01:59:07,920 --> 01:59:12,840
Speaker 1: your deer hunting strategy? Yeah? Um, kvial depends on the

2158
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:16,240
Speaker 1: time of the year. Um, I suppose, um. But I

2159
01:59:16,240 --> 01:59:20,080
Speaker 1: mean that's probably the first thing I look at on

2160
01:59:20,120 --> 01:59:23,160
Speaker 1: any given days. You know, obviously the wind direction. You know.

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01:59:23,640 --> 01:59:29,960
Speaker 1: I I'm not one that tries to beat a deer's nose. Um.

2162
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:33,440
Speaker 1: You know, I I wash my clothes, uh, you know,

2163
01:59:33,520 --> 01:59:35,240
Speaker 1: but that's about it as far as that goes. But

2164
01:59:35,640 --> 01:59:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, early season and you know through October when

2165
01:59:40,240 --> 01:59:44,919
Speaker 1: I'm kind of focused more on you know, betting areas. Um,

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01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm I'm thinking about wind and how

2167
01:59:48,680 --> 01:59:51,560
Speaker 1: they relate to which betting areas would be used in

2168
01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:54,280
Speaker 1: a typical area that I'm that I'm focusing on at

2169
01:59:54,280 --> 01:59:57,600
Speaker 1: that time. So for instance, if there's a you know,

2170
01:59:57,800 --> 01:59:59,920
Speaker 1: if there's a buck you know in this certain area

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02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:02,640
Speaker 1: that I you know, has my interests, and I know

2172
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:05,760
Speaker 1: that he beds, you know on this oxbow you know,

2173
02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:09,760
Speaker 1: with a south wind, you know, then that's what I'm gonna.

2174
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt that deer in October you know, on

2175
02:00:12,560 --> 02:00:15,360
Speaker 1: that wind, um, you know, and try to kill him

2176
02:00:15,400 --> 02:00:17,800
Speaker 1: coming out of that bed. That that would be one

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02:00:17,840 --> 02:00:20,560
Speaker 1: example of how I would use you know, wind, you know,

2178
02:00:20,680 --> 02:00:25,040
Speaker 1: on on like a bed based type hunt. Um, you know,

2179
02:00:25,200 --> 02:00:29,520
Speaker 1: maybe switching more towards you know the rut um or

2180
02:00:29,680 --> 02:00:33,840
Speaker 1: or you know, maybe late October, you know when you

2181
02:00:33,840 --> 02:00:36,440
Speaker 1: know scrapes and that types of stuff. You know, that

2182
02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:40,080
Speaker 1: type of sign kind of starts picking up. Um. I

2183
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:42,600
Speaker 1: haven't really killed a whole lot of deer like sitting

2184
02:00:42,640 --> 02:00:45,800
Speaker 1: over scrapes. That's not really a tactic of mine. But there,

2185
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:48,320
Speaker 1: you know, there are certain ones that I do find

2186
02:00:48,360 --> 02:00:52,080
Speaker 1: and on rare occasion that I you know, I've heard

2187
02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:55,120
Speaker 1: people call him primary scrapes. But you know, that might

2188
02:00:55,160 --> 02:00:57,520
Speaker 1: be something I might focus on in that late October

2189
02:00:57,560 --> 02:01:00,880
Speaker 1: time frame. You know, maybe after a fresh rain. You know,

2190
02:01:00,920 --> 02:01:02,760
Speaker 1: it rains that night and then you know it kind

2191
02:01:02,760 --> 02:01:04,160
Speaker 1: of cuts off in the middle of the night. That

2192
02:01:04,240 --> 02:01:07,160
Speaker 1: might be a spot that I might try, you know,

2193
02:01:07,200 --> 02:01:09,760
Speaker 1: that next day. Um, you know, if it's a good

2194
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:12,880
Speaker 1: area or you know, a buck that maybe I want

2195
02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:14,520
Speaker 1: to go after in that area, and I would sit

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02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:16,840
Speaker 1: down wind of that street, you know, if I'm using

2197
02:01:16,840 --> 02:01:20,000
Speaker 1: the wind trying to sit down wind of it, not

2198
02:01:20,120 --> 02:01:23,040
Speaker 1: necessarily shoot him on the street, but maybe checking it

2199
02:01:23,120 --> 02:01:25,840
Speaker 1: down wind, you know, and then during the rut, you know,

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02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:29,400
Speaker 1: I'm I'm using the wind who more of how a

2201
02:01:29,440 --> 02:01:33,280
Speaker 1: buck would use the terrain and the wind to his advantage.

2202
02:01:33,360 --> 02:01:37,000
Speaker 1: So you know, I might a lot. It's very common

2203
02:01:37,040 --> 02:01:39,640
Speaker 1: for me to sit on downward side of doll betting areas.

2204
02:01:39,800 --> 02:01:42,640
Speaker 1: I like the I like those spots. I like them

2205
02:01:42,640 --> 02:01:48,040
Speaker 1: better than your typical funnel um so big mature deer um.

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02:01:48,080 --> 02:01:51,240
Speaker 1: It's it's a spot where it's the spot where deer

2207
02:01:51,280 --> 02:01:54,720
Speaker 1: are going to becoming constantly, you know, when they're searching

2208
02:01:54,760 --> 02:01:58,040
Speaker 1: for dolls and estras. So you know, I put myself

2209
02:01:58,040 --> 02:02:00,760
Speaker 1: in a target Richard environment and the right I'm usually

2210
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:03,680
Speaker 1: leaving Michigan, so there's gonna be more than one buck

2211
02:02:03,720 --> 02:02:05,640
Speaker 1: in the area probably that I would shoot. So I'm

2212
02:02:05,640 --> 02:02:08,120
Speaker 1: gonna sit that downward side of that dope betting area,

2213
02:02:08,640 --> 02:02:11,240
Speaker 1: and you know, if I'm in the right spot, you

2214
02:02:11,280 --> 02:02:14,040
Speaker 1: know I'm going to have some good action. Typically, um,

2215
02:02:14,120 --> 02:02:15,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. But those are just a few examples

2216
02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:18,000
Speaker 1: of how I use the wind. You know, un hill country,

2217
02:02:18,600 --> 02:02:20,960
Speaker 1: you know there's I don't have a ton of experience there,

2218
02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:25,520
Speaker 1: but I'm always monitoring the wind, and you know, depending

2219
02:02:25,560 --> 02:02:27,360
Speaker 1: on the time of the year, more times than not,

2220
02:02:27,480 --> 02:02:29,760
Speaker 1: they're they're using the wind to their advantage, So you

2221
02:02:29,880 --> 02:02:33,280
Speaker 1: really got to be careful. Um. You know, sometimes when

2222
02:02:33,320 --> 02:02:35,400
Speaker 1: you put you've heard this set a million times, and

2223
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:39,000
Speaker 1: sometimes when you put the wind perfect for you, it's

2224
02:02:39,040 --> 02:02:41,560
Speaker 1: dead wrong for the deer. You know, they might not

2225
02:02:41,720 --> 02:02:44,280
Speaker 1: be there in a certain betting area if it's dead

2226
02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:48,720
Speaker 1: wrong obviously, or you know, they might not use a

2227
02:02:48,760 --> 02:02:52,040
Speaker 1: certain terrain feature or funnel you know, the way you're

2228
02:02:52,040 --> 02:02:55,880
Speaker 1: wanting them too, because the wind simply isn't in their advantage.

2229
02:02:56,280 --> 02:02:58,320
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of times you gotta cut corners,

2230
02:02:58,360 --> 02:03:01,520
Speaker 1: and you gotta you gotta take some should you know,

2231
02:03:01,560 --> 02:03:04,280
Speaker 1: you hear about just off wind hunting it just off wind.

2232
02:03:04,400 --> 02:03:05,960
Speaker 1: You know, I do that a lot. You know, you

2233
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:09,760
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta let the deer think that they have

2234
02:03:09,840 --> 02:03:12,360
Speaker 1: the advantage and that they're safe. You know, especially a

2235
02:03:12,400 --> 02:03:15,080
Speaker 1: mature deer. They're just not going to move a ton

2236
02:03:16,200 --> 02:03:19,560
Speaker 1: and and show that type of vulnerability where they don't

2237
02:03:19,560 --> 02:03:22,320
Speaker 1: have some sort of wind advantage where they can detect

2238
02:03:22,360 --> 02:03:26,920
Speaker 1: their surroundings or um, you know, or at least when

2239
02:03:26,920 --> 02:03:31,640
Speaker 1: they're they're going after you know, does they're they're they

2240
02:03:31,760 --> 02:03:33,560
Speaker 1: got a mission, you know, the they are on a

2241
02:03:33,600 --> 02:03:36,440
Speaker 1: mission to to find out what's in that area and

2242
02:03:36,440 --> 02:03:38,400
Speaker 1: they're going to use their window advantage. You gotta you

2243
02:03:38,400 --> 02:03:41,200
Speaker 1: gotta cut those corners and be close to that, do

2244
02:03:41,240 --> 02:03:44,640
Speaker 1: you think, Andy, Do you think Andy, that a buck

2245
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:48,640
Speaker 1: like can you say that buck will always if he's

2246
02:03:48,680 --> 02:03:51,200
Speaker 1: heading somewhere, he's always gonna have the wind in his

2247
02:03:51,280 --> 02:03:54,000
Speaker 1: face or crossing his face or something like that, or

2248
02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:56,920
Speaker 1: because I know some guys who will say, I'm never

2249
02:03:56,920 --> 02:03:59,840
Speaker 1: gonna hunt somewhere unless a buck could have the wind

2250
02:04:00,120 --> 02:04:02,600
Speaker 1: in his advantage coming towards me. Do you think that's

2251
02:04:02,640 --> 02:04:06,800
Speaker 1: true or can there be exceptions to that? Well? No,

2252
02:04:06,840 --> 02:04:11,200
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that's true. You know, I've

2253
02:04:11,240 --> 02:04:14,800
Speaker 1: seen dear you know, hunting all or moving all sorts

2254
02:04:14,800 --> 02:04:18,680
Speaker 1: of wind. But you know, typically if they're you know,

2255
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:21,480
Speaker 1: if they're in an area where they feel safe, you know,

2256
02:04:21,560 --> 02:04:25,160
Speaker 1: typically close to their bedding area, they'll move, you know,

2257
02:04:25,560 --> 02:04:28,360
Speaker 1: with their wind at their back, wind at their side,

2258
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:30,400
Speaker 1: they'll kind of head in the direction that they kind

2259
02:04:30,440 --> 02:04:33,680
Speaker 1: of want to go. But I do feel um, and

2260
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:37,320
Speaker 1: it probably depends on the hunting pressure and maybe terrain

2261
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:40,240
Speaker 1: to some extent, but I do feel like if the

2262
02:04:40,280 --> 02:04:43,080
Speaker 1: wind is there in their advantage, if they can spell

2263
02:04:43,200 --> 02:04:48,400
Speaker 1: up ahead, they will move further, and they will move earlier. Um. So,

2264
02:04:48,520 --> 02:04:52,160
Speaker 1: for instance, a hunting this buck um on a property

2265
02:04:52,880 --> 02:04:56,040
Speaker 1: kind of near where I live, and uh, the buck

2266
02:04:56,080 --> 02:04:59,280
Speaker 1: stepped out of his bed and he stood there and

2267
02:04:59,360 --> 02:05:02,440
Speaker 1: he just waited and he left. There was a kind

2268
02:05:02,440 --> 02:05:05,000
Speaker 1: of one of those calm like light and variable winds.

2269
02:05:05,560 --> 02:05:08,800
Speaker 1: He sat there for twenty minutes and never moved, and

2270
02:05:08,880 --> 02:05:12,280
Speaker 1: that wind switched just about every direction, and he got

2271
02:05:12,280 --> 02:05:15,800
Speaker 1: a very you know, a very good idea of kind

2272
02:05:15,800 --> 02:05:18,600
Speaker 1: of what was in the area. And uh, you know,

2273
02:05:18,600 --> 02:05:21,000
Speaker 1: when he thought the coast was clear, he started moving.

2274
02:05:21,200 --> 02:05:23,320
Speaker 1: You know, I mean he kind of he felt confident

2275
02:05:23,360 --> 02:05:26,120
Speaker 1: that he diagnosed the area, and he started moving, and

2276
02:05:26,200 --> 02:05:29,400
Speaker 1: he moved quite a way you know where if the

2277
02:05:29,480 --> 02:05:31,840
Speaker 1: wind was dead wrong, I don't you know, I don't

2278
02:05:31,840 --> 02:05:35,080
Speaker 1: think he would have ventured off from his security cover

2279
02:05:35,160 --> 02:05:38,000
Speaker 1: as far. So. You know, they don't always move with

2280
02:05:38,040 --> 02:05:40,880
Speaker 1: their wind in their face. They obviously can't. But I

2281
02:05:40,920 --> 02:05:44,360
Speaker 1: do think when they have that advantage, especially going going

2282
02:05:44,400 --> 02:05:48,160
Speaker 1: on like a a bed too feed type traveler out,

2283
02:05:48,240 --> 02:05:51,400
Speaker 1: I think they will move further. Um. You know, if

2284
02:05:51,440 --> 02:05:54,080
Speaker 1: they have the wind to advantage, if they can, if

2285
02:05:54,120 --> 02:05:57,760
Speaker 1: they can smell up ahead and kind of scent check

2286
02:05:57,840 --> 02:06:00,720
Speaker 1: those areas that you know, they trust their you know.

2287
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:04,880
Speaker 1: So that's pretty much, you know, pretty much how I

2288
02:06:04,960 --> 02:06:08,040
Speaker 1: go about it. Yeah, that's that's a great point that

2289
02:06:08,160 --> 02:06:11,200
Speaker 1: I would I would just reiterate you say, you know,

2290
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:14,480
Speaker 1: the big thing is think about what the wind is

2291
02:06:14,520 --> 02:06:17,400
Speaker 1: to the deer advantage, and then figure out a way

2292
02:06:17,440 --> 02:06:19,760
Speaker 1: to make it work for you the hunter. That's right.

2293
02:06:20,080 --> 02:06:22,720
Speaker 1: You can't then then you don't have that spot. You know,

2294
02:06:22,760 --> 02:06:24,680
Speaker 1: if you can't figure out a way to get in there,

2295
02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:27,200
Speaker 1: then well that's the wrong spot. You've got to figure

2296
02:06:27,200 --> 02:06:30,280
Speaker 1: out another spot, you know that to make it work.

2297
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:32,840
Speaker 1: But think of it in terms of the deer first,

2298
02:06:32,920 --> 02:06:35,440
Speaker 1: not you the hunter, Otherwise you always be you know,

2299
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:41,240
Speaker 1: too far away, right, Yeah, Joe, would you add anything

2300
02:06:41,280 --> 02:06:43,640
Speaker 1: more from how you think about wind or any other

2301
02:06:43,720 --> 02:06:48,840
Speaker 1: facets of that. Um that that's the big thing. Um.

2302
02:06:49,640 --> 02:06:53,120
Speaker 1: Another kind of important point I would make is it's

2303
02:06:53,280 --> 02:06:58,200
Speaker 1: very regional. It depends your adapt their environment so not.

2304
02:06:58,360 --> 02:07:01,040
Speaker 1: And that's not just human hunting, rusher, But I've become

2305
02:07:01,160 --> 02:07:05,000
Speaker 1: very aware of this a little northern Wisconsin. Um, the

2306
02:07:05,040 --> 02:07:09,440
Speaker 1: primary hunters up there are wolves and bears. UM, So

2307
02:07:09,520 --> 02:07:12,800
Speaker 1: I see far more wind to back movement. They're concerned

2308
02:07:12,880 --> 02:07:17,320
Speaker 1: about those predators trailing them down from their scent. So

2309
02:07:18,160 --> 02:07:22,760
Speaker 1: and there the human hunting pressure is a little lower. So, um,

2310
02:07:22,960 --> 02:07:25,360
Speaker 1: look at what the deer doing where you are. That's

2311
02:07:25,400 --> 02:07:28,480
Speaker 1: my advice. And there's going to be patterns and based

2312
02:07:28,520 --> 02:07:32,040
Speaker 1: your hunting based on that now here you know, you

2313
02:07:32,080 --> 02:07:36,080
Speaker 1: know Iowa. Yeah, deer are definitely using wind to their advantage.

2314
02:07:36,240 --> 02:07:40,000
Speaker 1: How I would describe it is kind of um. You know,

2315
02:07:40,040 --> 02:07:43,640
Speaker 1: they'll they'll move in every which way of wind depending

2316
02:07:43,680 --> 02:07:48,040
Speaker 1: on conditions, but around destinations. So that's not just that food,

2317
02:07:48,120 --> 02:07:51,000
Speaker 1: but also betting. They are going to try to use

2318
02:07:51,520 --> 02:07:54,080
Speaker 1: the wind to their advantage. So entering a food source,

2319
02:07:54,800 --> 02:07:57,840
Speaker 1: they'll a lot of times enter in a low area. Um,

2320
02:07:57,880 --> 02:08:01,560
Speaker 1: I see a big buck. Will you know where thermals

2321
02:08:01,640 --> 02:08:07,120
Speaker 1: might be pooling um and betting. They the vast majority

2322
02:08:07,120 --> 02:08:09,680
Speaker 1: of their time they are jay hooking into betting from

2323
02:08:09,680 --> 02:08:12,800
Speaker 1: the down wind side. Um. So they you know, they

2324
02:08:12,840 --> 02:08:15,200
Speaker 1: may be they may be traveling across the wind and

2325
02:08:15,280 --> 02:08:17,400
Speaker 1: they'll hook down wind and they'll come up and then

2326
02:08:17,400 --> 02:08:19,760
Speaker 1: they'll bed um. That's what I see in the Will country.

2327
02:08:19,920 --> 02:08:23,440
Speaker 1: So um, but it's regional. You know, Look what the

2328
02:08:23,520 --> 02:08:27,680
Speaker 1: deerre doing. I'm certain to be patterns. You know, wherever

2329
02:08:27,720 --> 02:08:31,200
Speaker 1: the listeners are, there's patterns what they're doing. And based

2330
02:08:31,200 --> 02:08:35,080
Speaker 1: your honey, based on you know, how they're moving, according

2331
02:08:35,080 --> 02:08:37,320
Speaker 1: to the wind that they are using it, I guarantee

2332
02:08:37,360 --> 02:08:40,720
Speaker 1: that they are using it all right, Jesse, you want

2333
02:08:40,720 --> 02:08:42,240
Speaker 1: to wrap this one up on the wind. What are

2334
02:08:42,280 --> 02:08:44,920
Speaker 1: your thoughts? Yeah, yeah, you know, I think the wind

2335
02:08:45,000 --> 02:08:47,840
Speaker 1: is kind of like the glasses half empty half full.

2336
02:08:47,880 --> 02:08:50,480
Speaker 1: It depends on how you look at it. Um. I'm

2337
02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:51,920
Speaker 1: a big I'm a big fan of the wind. Some

2338
02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:54,920
Speaker 1: people are so you know, the wind kills you. Yeah,

2339
02:08:54,960 --> 02:08:57,160
Speaker 1: it does. The wind makes you or breaks you. So

2340
02:08:57,320 --> 02:08:59,960
Speaker 1: you've got to be smart about it. Um. I love

2341
02:09:00,040 --> 02:09:03,440
Speaker 1: the wind. And in today's day and age, if I pray,

2342
02:09:03,480 --> 02:09:07,280
Speaker 1: everybody has a weather channel on their phone. If if

2343
02:09:07,280 --> 02:09:10,360
Speaker 1: you're not checking that weather channel before you you know,

2344
02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:13,280
Speaker 1: I'm checking it, you know, six hours before looking at

2345
02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:14,920
Speaker 1: it and go okay, the wind's gonna change it at

2346
02:09:14,960 --> 02:09:16,840
Speaker 1: five o'clock. I gotta account to that because I don't

2347
02:09:16,840 --> 02:09:19,560
Speaker 1: want to be sitting my standard at the hit by back. Um,

2348
02:09:19,600 --> 02:09:22,360
Speaker 1: so really study the winds and at least where I'm at. Um,

2349
02:09:22,360 --> 02:09:25,880
Speaker 1: it's pretty much always a southwest wind. Um. Those deer

2350
02:09:26,000 --> 02:09:29,040
Speaker 1: cannot possibly always move towards southwest. They move with it,

2351
02:09:29,400 --> 02:09:31,720
Speaker 1: They're always using it. But you can cheat it. And

2352
02:09:31,720 --> 02:09:33,520
Speaker 1: you've got to cheat them as close as you can

2353
02:09:33,800 --> 02:09:35,760
Speaker 1: with the bow and arrow. With a done it doesn't

2354
02:09:35,880 --> 02:09:38,160
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds bad. With a gun, that's a

2355
02:09:38,200 --> 02:09:42,280
Speaker 1: completely different world. Just get way, way way away, and

2356
02:09:43,280 --> 02:09:45,680
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna kill them with the boat. You

2357
02:09:45,800 --> 02:09:48,160
Speaker 1: gotta cheat that wind and figure out what that wind

2358
02:09:48,200 --> 02:09:51,360
Speaker 1: is gonna be and and really play it. Um. But

2359
02:09:51,440 --> 02:09:53,600
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it comes down to pressure too.

2360
02:09:54,040 --> 02:09:57,120
Speaker 1: I think if if these are heavily pressured, they are

2361
02:09:57,120 --> 02:09:58,920
Speaker 1: going to come to every food source with the wind

2362
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:02,600
Speaker 1: in their favor, they're to circle their bed every time. Um.

2363
02:10:02,640 --> 02:10:04,919
Speaker 1: If it's early in the season and they haven't been pressured,

2364
02:10:04,960 --> 02:10:07,560
Speaker 1: they're a little more laid back, they're not spooky. You

2365
02:10:07,600 --> 02:10:09,840
Speaker 1: can get away with more. And that's why you've got

2366
02:10:09,840 --> 02:10:13,720
Speaker 1: to have that knowledge. Okay, this is um a good

2367
02:10:13,800 --> 02:10:16,440
Speaker 1: night to hunt this stand or I've killed so many

2368
02:10:16,480 --> 02:10:19,920
Speaker 1: of my best New York bucks. I really look for

2369
02:10:20,480 --> 02:10:25,880
Speaker 1: that oddball north wind or an east wind because I

2370
02:10:25,920 --> 02:10:30,240
Speaker 1: can access so many spots that are honey holes that

2371
02:10:30,760 --> 02:10:32,840
Speaker 1: I can never hunt with a southwest wind, and a

2372
02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:34,960
Speaker 1: lot of times those zero bed with a southwest wind,

2373
02:10:35,280 --> 02:10:36,920
Speaker 1: the thermals will change and the rest of the day

2374
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:39,360
Speaker 1: we're getting an east wind. But those bucks still want

2375
02:10:39,360 --> 02:10:42,280
Speaker 1: to go to where they were last night, and that's

2376
02:10:42,280 --> 02:10:44,240
Speaker 1: when as long as they haven't been pressured, they're gonna

2377
02:10:44,280 --> 02:10:45,880
Speaker 1: travel a little bit with the wind at their back.

2378
02:10:46,680 --> 02:10:48,320
Speaker 1: And I want to kill them. And man, I had

2379
02:10:48,440 --> 02:10:52,240
Speaker 1: killed so many good ones on a north wind. I

2380
02:10:52,240 --> 02:10:55,400
Speaker 1: I'm literally standing in my shop just jumping up and down,

2381
02:10:55,440 --> 02:10:57,800
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to get out of work and

2382
02:10:57,880 --> 02:11:00,200
Speaker 1: go because I know I'm going to kill them. I mean,

2383
02:11:00,240 --> 02:11:02,280
Speaker 1: I know, I'm really I'm gonna have an encounter. And

2384
02:11:02,800 --> 02:11:04,880
Speaker 1: those odd winds and so many other guys they just

2385
02:11:04,880 --> 02:11:07,000
Speaker 1: go sit the same stand, they aw it's set, and

2386
02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:09,520
Speaker 1: then they have a horrible you know, they have a

2387
02:11:09,520 --> 02:11:12,040
Speaker 1: horrible night. Well, dude, you're hunting a standard set up

2388
02:11:12,040 --> 02:11:14,880
Speaker 1: for a southwest wind and it's an east wind. What

2389
02:11:15,040 --> 02:11:17,760
Speaker 1: is your expect? So if I'm hunt in the pocket,

2390
02:11:18,480 --> 02:11:21,080
Speaker 1: I've got one spot it's literally like four acres. I

2391
02:11:21,080 --> 02:11:23,600
Speaker 1: think I had twelve stands in there. Um, it just

2392
02:11:23,640 --> 02:11:25,720
Speaker 1: depends on the wind, and and and once you can

2393
02:11:25,720 --> 02:11:28,280
Speaker 1: slip into it, the winds can be a blessed. It

2394
02:11:28,360 --> 02:11:30,480
Speaker 1: is a blenching. You've just got to use it smart.

2395
02:11:30,640 --> 02:11:33,280
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, you know, wrestling against a really

2396
02:11:33,320 --> 02:11:36,640
Speaker 1: strong kid. Use his strength against them, let him exhaust himselves.

2397
02:11:36,800 --> 02:11:39,040
Speaker 1: And it's the same with hunting the wind man. Just

2398
02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:41,920
Speaker 1: use it as a weapon. Use the deer's nose. They

2399
02:11:41,920 --> 02:11:44,960
Speaker 1: think that if they can smell nothing, the coast is clear,

2400
02:11:45,200 --> 02:11:47,200
Speaker 1: they're they're gonna just walk through. And if you can

2401
02:11:47,480 --> 02:11:51,160
Speaker 1: escape that scent, they're screwed. You're gonna smoke them. So

2402
02:11:51,280 --> 02:11:53,160
Speaker 1: I love the wind. It's a it's a great tool.

2403
02:11:53,200 --> 02:11:58,160
Speaker 1: And really hunt off winds. I love odd winds, so

2404
02:11:58,200 --> 02:12:01,200
Speaker 1: that would be my cake on winds. It's a great perspective. Yeah,

2405
02:12:01,280 --> 02:12:04,240
Speaker 1: that vast majority of my bucks I've killed, You know

2406
02:12:04,520 --> 02:12:07,360
Speaker 1: that they were probably within ten feet of smelling me.

2407
02:12:07,640 --> 02:12:10,760
Speaker 1: You know that's right there when I got that shot.

2408
02:12:11,200 --> 02:12:14,160
Speaker 1: And then another point on that, A lot of them

2409
02:12:14,440 --> 02:12:19,360
Speaker 1: I've killed fiftyds downward into somebody else's spot. You know, yes, yes,

2410
02:12:19,400 --> 02:12:23,920
Speaker 1: they're checking them so good. So such good points right there.

2411
02:12:25,440 --> 02:12:30,520
Speaker 1: So how about we wrap it up with this, well,

2412
02:12:30,600 --> 02:12:32,760
Speaker 1: number one I'm going to try to convince all of

2413
02:12:32,840 --> 02:12:35,040
Speaker 1: you to come on and do this again someday. So

2414
02:12:35,280 --> 02:12:37,160
Speaker 1: whatever I need to do to weasel you guys into

2415
02:12:37,160 --> 02:12:41,800
Speaker 1: doing that, let me know. Um But number two, I'd

2416
02:12:41,840 --> 02:12:44,920
Speaker 1: like to hear from each one of you a story

2417
02:12:44,960 --> 02:12:48,920
Speaker 1: of a successful hunt and kill that you think is

2418
02:12:48,960 --> 02:12:53,120
Speaker 1: a perfect illustration of what makes you uniquely a a

2419
02:12:53,240 --> 02:12:55,680
Speaker 1: good or successful hunter. So if you can think back

2420
02:12:55,720 --> 02:12:58,960
Speaker 1: to a hunt where you kill the buck, that illustrates

2421
02:12:59,160 --> 02:13:02,080
Speaker 1: what makes you a good hunter, That's what I'd like

2422
02:13:02,160 --> 02:13:05,240
Speaker 1: to hear right now from each of you. And um,

2423
02:13:05,240 --> 02:13:07,960
Speaker 1: how about Jesse, let's let's throw it right back to you.

2424
02:13:08,040 --> 02:13:10,720
Speaker 1: Can you think of a story? Man, you hit you

2425
02:13:10,880 --> 02:13:13,760
Speaker 1: hit me first. I'm sitting here thinking it's like ordering food.

2426
02:13:13,800 --> 02:13:15,600
Speaker 1: I was thinking somebody else have to go first. I

2427
02:13:15,600 --> 02:13:19,840
Speaker 1: can think, um man, I have been so fortunate to

2428
02:13:19,960 --> 02:13:22,640
Speaker 1: kill so many good I have some great stories on

2429
02:13:22,800 --> 02:13:29,200
Speaker 1: killing does um or killing rabbits and woodchucks. Um. I

2430
02:13:29,240 --> 02:13:32,320
Speaker 1: guess the story that would say I was a good hunter,

2431
02:13:33,720 --> 02:13:38,040
Speaker 1: I would say jeepers persistence. I'd say I killed one

2432
02:13:38,360 --> 02:13:42,320
Speaker 1: um oh a few years ago in Kansas, um and

2433
02:13:42,320 --> 02:13:44,480
Speaker 1: where I was shunning there is no trees there's really

2434
02:13:44,520 --> 02:13:47,920
Speaker 1: no tree stand hunting. I really enjoy it. It's spotting stock.

2435
02:13:48,240 --> 02:13:50,560
Speaker 1: It is um It's like nothing I grew up doing,

2436
02:13:50,600 --> 02:13:56,440
Speaker 1: so it's very challenging. UM and I glassed up. I

2437
02:13:56,440 --> 02:13:58,600
Speaker 1: glassed up a couple of different beer. I got screwed

2438
02:13:58,600 --> 02:14:01,640
Speaker 1: by a couple of other hunters on on publicly, and

2439
02:14:01,680 --> 02:14:04,280
Speaker 1: you know, I was kind of getting frustrated. UM And

2440
02:14:04,320 --> 02:14:07,400
Speaker 1: I found a bomber of a buck, or to me,

2441
02:14:07,440 --> 02:14:11,560
Speaker 1: it was a bomber of a buck. Um and I

2442
02:14:11,680 --> 02:14:14,240
Speaker 1: saw this deer running across this prairie. I ran out

2443
02:14:14,280 --> 02:14:16,800
Speaker 1: after him. He literally was chasing the dough and chasing

2444
02:14:16,800 --> 02:14:20,080
Speaker 1: off ruther buck almost ran me over. I was so

2445
02:14:20,200 --> 02:14:22,800
Speaker 1: frustrated I had I mean, he just I couldn't have

2446
02:14:22,840 --> 02:14:24,440
Speaker 1: shot him with a gun. I mean he was literally

2447
02:14:24,440 --> 02:14:26,840
Speaker 1: with the twenty yards and me just flying with like

2448
02:14:27,120 --> 02:14:29,360
Speaker 1: grass that was up to my ankles between us. It was,

2449
02:14:29,520 --> 02:14:32,640
Speaker 1: it was. It was awesome. So that buck was so

2450
02:14:32,680 --> 02:14:35,320
Speaker 1: impressive to be next to. I was just like, I

2451
02:14:35,320 --> 02:14:37,760
Speaker 1: don't care, I don't care what it takes. I am

2452
02:14:37,840 --> 02:14:41,760
Speaker 1: killing this deer and I just I went out for

2453
02:14:41,760 --> 02:14:43,480
Speaker 1: the next two days and looked for this deer and

2454
02:14:43,480 --> 02:14:46,080
Speaker 1: glass could not find him. I'm sure he was breathing

2455
02:14:46,080 --> 02:14:47,720
Speaker 1: the dough somewhere in the middle of nowhere, and I

2456
02:14:47,800 --> 02:14:50,080
Speaker 1: ended up glassing him up the next day. It took

2457
02:14:50,080 --> 02:14:53,680
Speaker 1: me five or six days. Um in a in a

2458
02:14:54,120 --> 02:14:55,720
Speaker 1: it was a new piece of ground and you know,

2459
02:14:55,800 --> 02:14:59,520
Speaker 1: an unfamiliar state, and um, I ended up putting a

2460
02:14:59,520 --> 02:15:02,360
Speaker 1: stock him another. I think he had four or five

2461
02:15:02,400 --> 02:15:04,760
Speaker 1: bucks with him at twelve does so it was just

2462
02:15:04,800 --> 02:15:07,760
Speaker 1: a ton of eyes. There is no there's yucca plants.

2463
02:15:08,360 --> 02:15:11,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so awesome, it's it was great. Uh,

2464
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:14,640
Speaker 1: It's probably my favorite hunt in my life. And uh,

2465
02:15:14,680 --> 02:15:17,760
Speaker 1: but I mean I kept getting busted, but I was

2466
02:15:17,800 --> 02:15:19,920
Speaker 1: smart enough to not get busted by him. I got

2467
02:15:20,000 --> 02:15:24,080
Speaker 1: busted by the satellite bucks that you know. They took

2468
02:15:24,080 --> 02:15:25,680
Speaker 1: off run and then kind of the herd would get

2469
02:15:25,720 --> 02:15:27,920
Speaker 1: up and they'd move, you know, three hundred yards. I'd

2470
02:15:27,920 --> 02:15:30,280
Speaker 1: have to restock a couple of spots. He was unstalkable,

2471
02:15:30,320 --> 02:15:32,160
Speaker 1: and then it was it was kind of like what

2472
02:15:32,440 --> 02:15:35,000
Speaker 1: Joe and I were saying earlier. The sun was setting.

2473
02:15:35,080 --> 02:15:37,560
Speaker 1: I had already been hunting there for seven or eight days,

2474
02:15:37,600 --> 02:15:40,080
Speaker 1: and it was like, I am, I'm going for broke.

2475
02:15:40,120 --> 02:15:45,640
Speaker 1: I took off my boots and I ran probably a

2476
02:15:45,720 --> 02:15:48,600
Speaker 1: quarter a half mile big circle in this prairie and

2477
02:15:48,840 --> 02:15:50,880
Speaker 1: there was a little bit of rain there some rocky bluffs,

2478
02:15:50,920 --> 02:15:53,280
Speaker 1: and I took off my boots for the last two

2479
02:15:53,320 --> 02:15:56,360
Speaker 1: hundred yards and um man, I had I had these

2480
02:15:56,400 --> 02:15:59,240
Speaker 1: little thistles that they have out there, just embedded in

2481
02:15:59,360 --> 02:16:01,640
Speaker 1: my feet. I was I was bleeding. I couldn't get

2482
02:16:01,680 --> 02:16:04,200
Speaker 1: him out of my feet. Um and I just kept going.

2483
02:16:04,240 --> 02:16:05,760
Speaker 1: They were stuck in my thighs. I mean, they're in

2484
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:09,200
Speaker 1: my knees and stuff. And I came around this rocky

2485
02:16:09,240 --> 02:16:11,840
Speaker 1: bluff and I could just see him and I arranged

2486
02:16:11,880 --> 02:16:13,920
Speaker 1: a rock that was close to him. It was thirty

2487
02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:17,720
Speaker 1: eight yards and he was bedded and he was betted

2488
02:16:17,720 --> 02:16:20,040
Speaker 1: away from me, and I knew it was gonna be

2489
02:16:20,120 --> 02:16:22,480
Speaker 1: I'm getting excited thinking about this is awesome. I knew

2490
02:16:22,520 --> 02:16:25,280
Speaker 1: it was gonna be once I trusted that I had

2491
02:16:25,320 --> 02:16:28,560
Speaker 1: to draw, step out and make a quick shot because

2492
02:16:28,560 --> 02:16:30,960
Speaker 1: they were all right there, and I, you know, I remember,

2493
02:16:30,960 --> 02:16:32,840
Speaker 1: my heart was racing, and it was like this is

2494
02:16:32,959 --> 02:16:34,959
Speaker 1: making or break it. This is like your whole trip,

2495
02:16:35,560 --> 02:16:39,760
Speaker 1: and it's just all those years of shooting red squirrels

2496
02:16:39,840 --> 02:16:43,040
Speaker 1: and and you know, catching snakes and shooting frogs and

2497
02:16:43,120 --> 02:16:47,280
Speaker 1: sneaking up on woodchucks. That's when, before I knew it,

2498
02:16:47,320 --> 02:16:50,480
Speaker 1: I stepped out, drew my boat and drilled them. And

2499
02:16:50,959 --> 02:16:54,040
Speaker 1: all that those instincts of of listening after the shot

2500
02:16:54,040 --> 02:16:56,879
Speaker 1: and watching where he went and being patient at all

2501
02:16:56,879 --> 02:16:59,480
Speaker 1: paid off and everything. It was like textbook. If you

2502
02:16:59,480 --> 02:17:02,120
Speaker 1: could have had that on video, it would have been phenomenal.

2503
02:17:02,160 --> 02:17:04,440
Speaker 1: And and that was right then I thought to myself, like,

2504
02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:06,920
Speaker 1: I didn't even mean to do all this, Like I

2505
02:17:06,959 --> 02:17:09,560
Speaker 1: didn't consciously do any of that. That was just like

2506
02:17:09,560 --> 02:17:12,560
Speaker 1: what you said. It was just instinct of being a

2507
02:17:12,680 --> 02:17:15,400
Speaker 1: killer took over. And I was pretty proud of myself.

2508
02:17:15,480 --> 02:17:18,080
Speaker 1: That was a big That was a big public lands

2509
02:17:18,760 --> 02:17:21,760
Speaker 1: um white tail, and I was pretty pretty tickled with that.

2510
02:17:22,040 --> 02:17:26,400
Speaker 1: So I am so long when it sorry that took forever. Awesome.

2511
02:17:26,520 --> 02:17:29,480
Speaker 1: That's an awesome story. Uh Andy, you want to take

2512
02:17:29,520 --> 02:17:35,400
Speaker 1: the next one? Yeah? Sure, um man, I kind of

2513
02:17:35,440 --> 02:17:37,400
Speaker 1: want to tell the story of my buck from last year,

2514
02:17:37,440 --> 02:17:41,080
Speaker 1: but the story was just posted on the website today,

2515
02:17:41,160 --> 02:17:44,520
Speaker 1: so I'll skip that one. But um that. The next

2516
02:17:44,520 --> 02:17:47,840
Speaker 1: one that comes to mind is probably ironically my biggest book,

2517
02:17:47,959 --> 02:17:50,400
Speaker 1: and it doesn't really have anything to do with the size,

2518
02:17:50,560 --> 02:17:54,680
Speaker 1: but um, that was on my birthday November five, and

2519
02:17:56,000 --> 02:18:00,280
Speaker 1: I went to a spot it's it's a small spot,

2520
02:18:00,360 --> 02:18:04,760
Speaker 1: um that typically is good during that time frame. UM.

2521
02:18:04,800 --> 02:18:08,199
Speaker 1: And it's good because it's a like a river bottom area,

2522
02:18:08,360 --> 02:18:11,840
Speaker 1: lots of doughs, and you know, during that time of year, um,

2523
02:18:11,879 --> 02:18:15,680
Speaker 1: you know, early November, it typically draws in some bucks.

2524
02:18:15,720 --> 02:18:18,959
Speaker 1: And you know, under normal circumstances there's a couple of

2525
02:18:18,959 --> 02:18:23,280
Speaker 1: good ones in the area. But anyway, it is highly anticipated, UM,

2526
02:18:23,320 --> 02:18:27,120
Speaker 1: one of my favorite spots. And I drove there, which

2527
02:18:27,200 --> 02:18:32,680
Speaker 1: is my house probably probably about and then uh, climbed

2528
02:18:32,760 --> 02:18:36,640
Speaker 1: up in the tree and the wind is just dead wrong,

2529
02:18:37,080 --> 02:18:39,680
Speaker 1: completely different than what they said it was going to be.

2530
02:18:39,840 --> 02:18:42,760
Speaker 1: And I was like, holy cow, you know, I've been

2531
02:18:42,920 --> 02:18:46,400
Speaker 1: kind of waiting, um, you know, hunt that spot. And

2532
02:18:46,440 --> 02:18:48,600
Speaker 1: it was it's a it's kind of like a pitch.

2533
02:18:48,680 --> 02:18:50,920
Speaker 1: It's a betting area. It's a dope betting area that

2534
02:18:51,000 --> 02:18:53,720
Speaker 1: pinches down, so it's a kind of a funnel innovating

2535
02:18:53,760 --> 02:18:58,119
Speaker 1: and it's a phenomenal spot. And you know, I may

2536
02:18:58,120 --> 02:18:59,760
Speaker 1: have been able to kind of sit it out and

2537
02:18:59,800 --> 02:19:01,160
Speaker 1: had some luck, but I was like, you know, I

2538
02:19:01,240 --> 02:19:04,200
Speaker 1: just can't. I can't. I've been waiting all season to

2539
02:19:04,280 --> 02:19:06,080
Speaker 1: hunt this spot. I can't burn it out on a

2540
02:19:07,120 --> 02:19:10,959
Speaker 1: a win that's not perfect. So I climbed down and

2541
02:19:11,000 --> 02:19:16,359
Speaker 1: I actually drove thirty three miles back to a different property.

2542
02:19:16,480 --> 02:19:18,760
Speaker 1: And the reason I chose that property because there was

2543
02:19:18,760 --> 02:19:22,879
Speaker 1: a stand that, um well, a spot and it was

2544
02:19:23,400 --> 02:19:25,200
Speaker 1: there wasn't a stand hung, but a spot that I

2545
02:19:25,200 --> 02:19:29,280
Speaker 1: had prepped that again year prior. The year prior had

2546
02:19:29,280 --> 02:19:31,640
Speaker 1: a very big buck head an the counter with one

2547
02:19:31,680 --> 02:19:34,440
Speaker 1: I think it was on November four, so the year prior,

2548
02:19:34,440 --> 02:19:37,800
Speaker 1: and this was November five. So I drove to that spot.

2549
02:19:38,879 --> 02:19:41,640
Speaker 1: I had my lone wolf on my back and started

2550
02:19:42,280 --> 02:19:47,080
Speaker 1: heading towards that spot. On the way to that spot, um,

2551
02:19:47,120 --> 02:19:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, I you know obviously kind of peeking around

2552
02:19:50,160 --> 02:19:53,480
Speaker 1: and trying to kind of scout my way in sneak

2553
02:19:53,520 --> 02:19:58,280
Speaker 1: in this is mid day. Um, I noticed some very

2554
02:19:58,400 --> 02:20:00,760
Speaker 1: large such of tracks big you know, some of the

2555
02:20:00,760 --> 02:20:03,560
Speaker 1: biggest I've ever seen. And I kind of, you know,

2556
02:20:03,680 --> 02:20:06,960
Speaker 1: looked a little closer and with the binoculars up and

2557
02:20:07,000 --> 02:20:11,160
Speaker 1: I saw some rubs that were the size of my thigh.

2558
02:20:11,160 --> 02:20:13,760
Speaker 1: I mean, the biggest rubs I've seen in Michigan. And

2559
02:20:13,800 --> 02:20:17,119
Speaker 1: I'm looking, you know, from a distance of probably twenty

2560
02:20:17,160 --> 02:20:19,680
Speaker 1: yards or so, and I've got the glass on the roads.

2561
02:20:19,680 --> 02:20:21,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy smokes, you know, and I'm looking in

2562
02:20:21,720 --> 02:20:25,360
Speaker 1: their shavings on the leaves like they're on top. This

2563
02:20:25,600 --> 02:20:30,440
Speaker 1: just happened, probably today. And then I look on the

2564
02:20:30,600 --> 02:20:33,680
Speaker 1: it's kind of a corner of a standing cornfield that

2565
02:20:33,800 --> 02:20:39,560
Speaker 1: was no it's probably a good seventy acres and in

2566
02:20:39,600 --> 02:20:42,280
Speaker 1: the middle of that standing cornfield is a big oak tree.

2567
02:20:42,720 --> 02:20:44,560
Speaker 1: It's a little kind of like a little oak island

2568
02:20:44,560 --> 02:20:48,160
Speaker 1: where a little treats a little owned I guess where

2569
02:20:48,240 --> 02:20:51,400
Speaker 1: the corn isn't planted. And then it comes to a

2570
02:20:51,440 --> 02:20:54,560
Speaker 1: corner where there's a hardwood and then a set aside

2571
02:20:54,560 --> 02:20:59,480
Speaker 1: field like a crpld of CRP over grown field. And

2572
02:21:00,040 --> 02:21:02,640
Speaker 1: on that edge of the hardwoods there was a line

2573
02:21:02,640 --> 02:21:05,320
Speaker 1: of straight and each one had a little bit of

2574
02:21:06,280 --> 02:21:09,080
Speaker 1: urine in it. It was wet, you know. So I'm like, holy,

2575
02:21:09,360 --> 02:21:11,120
Speaker 1: you know this, this deer is here. I don't know

2576
02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:14,920
Speaker 1: where he's at, what he's here. So I didn't even

2577
02:21:14,920 --> 02:21:16,959
Speaker 1: make it to the stand that I was going to.

2578
02:21:17,440 --> 02:21:20,360
Speaker 1: I set up, and I set up down when of

2579
02:21:20,400 --> 02:21:23,720
Speaker 1: that area had no idea where he was, you know, UM,

2580
02:21:24,440 --> 02:21:28,760
Speaker 1: but I figured, you know, he's probably somewhere um, you know,

2581
02:21:28,840 --> 02:21:31,560
Speaker 1: probably with the dough. You know, it's that time of year.

2582
02:21:32,400 --> 02:21:36,680
Speaker 1: So UM, long story short, I am setting up. I

2583
02:21:36,680 --> 02:21:39,640
Speaker 1: think I was set up at like, um, maybe two

2584
02:21:40,120 --> 02:21:44,400
Speaker 1: fifty and by three thirty, UM, I had killed the

2585
02:21:44,400 --> 02:21:46,800
Speaker 1: biggest buck I've ever shot with a bow and in

2586
02:21:46,920 --> 02:21:49,600
Speaker 1: Michigan and ended up being like a hundred and seventy

2587
02:21:49,640 --> 02:21:53,960
Speaker 1: two in ten point um. So it was you know,

2588
02:21:54,000 --> 02:21:57,440
Speaker 1: it's just one of those one of those scenarios where

2589
02:21:58,000 --> 02:21:59,720
Speaker 1: you know, I had to make that call to leave

2590
02:22:00,120 --> 02:22:02,520
Speaker 1: an area that was I knew it's really good because

2591
02:22:02,560 --> 02:22:05,320
Speaker 1: the wind wasn't right and when I drove, you know,

2592
02:22:05,400 --> 02:22:08,320
Speaker 1: thirty three miles to this other spot, had another spot

2593
02:22:08,360 --> 02:22:11,920
Speaker 1: in mind where the wind was perfect. When I came

2594
02:22:11,959 --> 02:22:14,120
Speaker 1: across that hot sign and when I said hot, it

2595
02:22:14,160 --> 02:22:17,480
Speaker 1: was hot like it was. It was you know probably

2596
02:22:17,560 --> 02:22:20,560
Speaker 1: that there's just a couple of hours maybe before I

2597
02:22:20,600 --> 02:22:23,520
Speaker 1: was there, um, and I was able to set on it,

2598
02:22:23,680 --> 02:22:25,560
Speaker 1: set up on it because I always kind of have

2599
02:22:25,680 --> 02:22:29,720
Speaker 1: a I'm very mobile, so I'll always have a few

2600
02:22:29,800 --> 02:22:34,000
Speaker 1: little two steps and my mobile stand, you know, ready

2601
02:22:34,040 --> 02:22:36,160
Speaker 1: to go, you know, in case something like that happens.

2602
02:22:36,200 --> 02:22:38,119
Speaker 1: And then it happened on that day and I set

2603
02:22:38,200 --> 02:22:40,400
Speaker 1: up on it and it paid off on my biggest

2604
02:22:40,440 --> 02:22:43,840
Speaker 1: buck ever. Man, that's awesome. That's a that's a really

2605
02:22:43,879 --> 02:22:47,760
Speaker 1: great illustration of a lot of those things you've talked about. Joe,

2606
02:22:47,959 --> 02:22:50,080
Speaker 1: Do you wanna do you want to try to wrap

2607
02:22:50,120 --> 02:22:54,040
Speaker 1: it up with one more story here for us? Yeah? Sure,

2608
02:22:54,320 --> 02:22:59,760
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I'll I got a lot of stories saying,

2609
02:22:59,760 --> 02:23:01,600
Speaker 1: I know we could go round and around for another

2610
02:23:01,840 --> 02:23:06,240
Speaker 1: six hour. Um. Yeah, So I'll tell a story of

2611
02:23:06,320 --> 02:23:10,440
Speaker 1: bucket shot a couple of years ago on public land. UM.

2612
02:23:10,480 --> 02:23:13,440
Speaker 1: I've shot bigger bucks. Um, but this buck, I don't know,

2613
02:23:13,640 --> 02:23:18,880
Speaker 1: just I plane outsmarted him, just just you know, just

2614
02:23:18,959 --> 02:23:21,480
Speaker 1: outwitted him. And that that feels pretty good when you

2615
02:23:21,520 --> 02:23:26,480
Speaker 1: do that. Um. Anyway, that this buck was feeding on

2616
02:23:26,520 --> 02:23:29,959
Speaker 1: off the off the field all summer long. UM. I

2617
02:23:30,000 --> 02:23:32,760
Speaker 1: had a camera soaking on one side of the field

2618
02:23:34,280 --> 02:23:39,400
Speaker 1: months of months of August and September. Um, I was

2619
02:23:39,480 --> 02:23:42,960
Speaker 1: kind of just doing some low impact scouting before the season.

2620
02:23:43,120 --> 02:23:45,680
Speaker 1: Checked the camera and it was right on the field

2621
02:23:45,760 --> 02:23:49,039
Speaker 1: edge and there was this really big nine pointer coming in,

2622
02:23:49,440 --> 02:23:53,240
Speaker 1: huge body. You had average antler, I mean real nice,

2623
02:23:53,240 --> 02:23:57,680
Speaker 1: he's under four class, but m huge, hulking body was

2624
02:23:57,720 --> 02:24:00,200
Speaker 1: coming in on this side of the field and it

2625
02:24:00,280 --> 02:24:03,039
Speaker 1: was in the dark. Um, almost all the pictures were

2626
02:24:03,040 --> 02:24:06,040
Speaker 1: in the dark unit September, but it was just after dark.

2627
02:24:06,640 --> 02:24:10,360
Speaker 1: And he was also favoring at the north and northeast

2628
02:24:10,400 --> 02:24:13,520
Speaker 1: winds to come into the field on that side. Well,

2629
02:24:13,760 --> 02:24:17,279
Speaker 1: it's on public land, UM. And the edge of the field,

2630
02:24:17,480 --> 02:24:19,400
Speaker 1: or the edge of the public land, wasn't that far

2631
02:24:19,440 --> 02:24:20,720
Speaker 1: back from the edge of the field was a couple

2632
02:24:20,760 --> 02:24:23,240
Speaker 1: of hundred yards of timber that I had for public.

2633
02:24:23,640 --> 02:24:26,440
Speaker 1: But I suspect the scouted all all that area in

2634
02:24:26,520 --> 02:24:29,640
Speaker 1: the past, and I knew if he was betting, he

2635
02:24:29,720 --> 02:24:32,840
Speaker 1: was petty, probably betting across the fence on private and

2636
02:24:32,879 --> 02:24:34,959
Speaker 1: then coming onto the public and then up to the

2637
02:24:35,000 --> 02:24:39,039
Speaker 1: field in the dark. So I had, you know, the

2638
02:24:39,080 --> 02:24:43,679
Speaker 1: preferred wind condition, and I had you know, my guestimated

2639
02:24:44,000 --> 02:24:49,920
Speaker 1: travel route from UM based on you know, cyber scouting.

2640
02:24:50,160 --> 02:24:53,000
Speaker 1: Looking at that private property next to the public, I

2641
02:24:53,000 --> 02:24:55,160
Speaker 1: mean I figured he was betting within a hundred hundred

2642
02:24:55,160 --> 02:24:57,280
Speaker 1: and fifty yards of the fence, and I thought I

2643
02:24:57,280 --> 02:24:59,800
Speaker 1: could set up basically right next to the fense and

2644
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:02,720
Speaker 1: get a chance at him in daylight and so and

2645
02:25:02,800 --> 02:25:06,480
Speaker 1: that was on September. You know, season opens October one.

2646
02:25:06,640 --> 02:25:09,680
Speaker 1: I know, patterns changed fast. Um. I had to get

2647
02:25:09,720 --> 02:25:12,080
Speaker 1: on him so October one. By luck, I had the

2648
02:25:12,200 --> 02:25:14,360
Speaker 1: right wind. It was like a northeast wind. I slipped

2649
02:25:14,400 --> 02:25:19,160
Speaker 1: in there on mobil. Um. I haven't pre hung a

2650
02:25:19,200 --> 02:25:22,440
Speaker 1: tree stand in a long time, set up in my

2651
02:25:22,480 --> 02:25:27,080
Speaker 1: tree saddle. Um and his luck would have it. There

2652
02:25:27,200 --> 02:25:30,720
Speaker 1: was a guy cutting firewood like back on the private

2653
02:25:30,800 --> 02:25:32,760
Speaker 1: land in the general area where I thought that buck

2654
02:25:32,840 --> 02:25:37,320
Speaker 1: was betting. He never showed. UM. And this spot's kind

2655
02:25:37,320 --> 02:25:39,160
Speaker 1: of hard to described, but you know it's kind of

2656
02:25:39,160 --> 02:25:42,760
Speaker 1: a bottleneck. There's several French crossings on the side of

2657
02:25:42,760 --> 02:25:45,760
Speaker 1: a ridge where they're coming from the private down the

2658
02:25:45,840 --> 02:25:48,720
Speaker 1: ridge of the ridge up ultimately to hells off the field.

2659
02:25:49,800 --> 02:25:53,160
Speaker 1: And um, you know I had to cover everything. I

2660
02:25:53,240 --> 02:25:55,160
Speaker 1: was set up right in the middle of stuff, you know,

2661
02:25:55,280 --> 02:25:58,040
Speaker 1: kind of going for broke stuff could stuff that was

2662
02:25:58,080 --> 02:26:00,640
Speaker 1: coming past me, could smell me behind me. But I

2663
02:26:01,280 --> 02:26:03,000
Speaker 1: you know that's where I had to be to get

2664
02:26:03,040 --> 02:26:06,280
Speaker 1: the shot. Well, I got out October one time. He

2665
02:26:06,360 --> 02:26:09,600
Speaker 1: didn't show. I did see it a little bucket, think

2666
02:26:09,680 --> 02:26:13,360
Speaker 1: and a dough but UM got out of there, and

2667
02:26:13,520 --> 02:26:16,600
Speaker 1: just part of me my gut said, and this is

2668
02:26:16,600 --> 02:26:18,320
Speaker 1: where you know it's important to listen. You got my

2669
02:26:18,360 --> 02:26:21,760
Speaker 1: gut said, it's worth hunting that spot again. So a

2670
02:26:21,840 --> 02:26:26,720
Speaker 1: week later, October seven, I had the exact same win, UM,

2671
02:26:26,760 --> 02:26:29,000
Speaker 1: and I went in there, but I did not pick

2672
02:26:29,040 --> 02:26:31,920
Speaker 1: the same tree. I figured that buck was kind of

2673
02:26:31,920 --> 02:26:34,080
Speaker 1: a home body in there all the time. He would

2674
02:26:34,080 --> 02:26:37,640
Speaker 1: smell my ground set if he was going to probably

2675
02:26:37,640 --> 02:26:40,640
Speaker 1: adjust his travel route to be coming in coming, passed

2676
02:26:40,720 --> 02:26:43,840
Speaker 1: down wind, further down wind. So I moved. I moved

2677
02:26:43,920 --> 02:26:46,720
Speaker 1: about thirty yards as all. That's all I could move

2678
02:26:46,840 --> 02:26:50,279
Speaker 1: and out now it's like twenty yards in the fence line. Um,

2679
02:26:50,400 --> 02:26:53,720
Speaker 1: and uh, sure enough he came in. It was perfect.

2680
02:26:53,760 --> 02:26:57,920
Speaker 1: He came in pop the fence. He was probably five

2681
02:26:58,000 --> 02:27:01,520
Speaker 1: ft five ten ft frommell on me, and he was

2682
02:27:01,560 --> 02:27:04,600
Speaker 1: a full fifty yards down the wind. In my original

2683
02:27:04,640 --> 02:27:06,440
Speaker 1: set up, he would have smelled me, and I would

2684
02:27:06,440 --> 02:27:08,440
Speaker 1: have never gotten a shot if I hadn't adjusted that

2685
02:27:08,520 --> 02:27:11,080
Speaker 1: set on that a second on that second set. And

2686
02:27:11,160 --> 02:27:15,480
Speaker 1: I and I don't know, I'm big about how the

2687
02:27:15,680 --> 02:27:18,480
Speaker 1: kill goes down. I guess for me like I've really

2688
02:27:19,400 --> 02:27:22,400
Speaker 1: take a high, you know, I take a lot of

2689
02:27:22,440 --> 02:27:25,240
Speaker 1: pride and like a quick, clean kill. And I shot

2690
02:27:25,280 --> 02:27:27,080
Speaker 1: that deer to the top of the heart. He had

2691
02:27:27,120 --> 02:27:31,240
Speaker 1: no clue what hit him. He like hopped about fifteen yards,

2692
02:27:31,600 --> 02:27:34,560
Speaker 1: stood and then he just went straight down like just

2693
02:27:34,760 --> 02:27:37,960
Speaker 1: both dead, you know. And I still remember that, and

2694
02:27:38,000 --> 02:27:41,240
Speaker 1: that's I don't know, between just playing outwitting him. He

2695
02:27:41,320 --> 02:27:43,280
Speaker 1: thought he had you know, he knew there was an

2696
02:27:43,320 --> 02:27:45,240
Speaker 1: hunter in the area, but he figured, well, I can

2697
02:27:45,240 --> 02:27:48,080
Speaker 1: sneak through and if there's a guy up there trying

2698
02:27:48,120 --> 02:27:50,160
Speaker 1: to kill me, I'll smell him. You know. I know

2699
02:27:50,280 --> 02:27:52,920
Speaker 1: deer can't think, but you know, he was avoiding my

2700
02:27:53,040 --> 02:27:56,520
Speaker 1: first set. I'm certain of it, and he thought, you know,

2701
02:27:56,680 --> 02:28:00,240
Speaker 1: and I guessed right. I made the shot and he

2702
02:28:00,320 --> 02:28:02,520
Speaker 1: was dead. He had no clue what I am. And

2703
02:28:02,600 --> 02:28:07,160
Speaker 1: it just, oh, you know, I love that. I feel like, man,

2704
02:28:08,000 --> 02:28:11,840
Speaker 1: that that is a great a great story. And uh,

2705
02:28:12,200 --> 02:28:15,360
Speaker 1: as we've as we've been doing this, I have just

2706
02:28:15,400 --> 02:28:19,800
Speaker 1: been getting more and more and more amped to get

2707
02:28:19,800 --> 02:28:22,760
Speaker 1: back in the woods and start scouting or keep scouting,

2708
02:28:22,879 --> 02:28:26,480
Speaker 1: start hunting again. This is just this is this is

2709
02:28:26,520 --> 02:28:30,560
Speaker 1: what's all about. You guys are an inspiration. It's cheesy

2710
02:28:30,560 --> 02:28:34,360
Speaker 1: as that sounds. You guys are inspiring me right now. Um,

2711
02:28:34,400 --> 02:28:37,000
Speaker 1: this is just exciting stuff. There's been a lot here.

2712
02:28:37,000 --> 02:28:39,480
Speaker 1: I think people can learn from you. Guys have said

2713
02:28:39,520 --> 02:28:42,360
Speaker 1: an awesome example, and you've shared so much, and uh,

2714
02:28:43,040 --> 02:28:45,280
Speaker 1: I just appreciate it. So we're gonna have to do

2715
02:28:45,360 --> 02:28:49,199
Speaker 1: something like this more in the future, and until then,

2716
02:28:49,920 --> 02:28:53,600
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much. Yeah, thanks, thank you guys.

2717
02:28:53,640 --> 02:28:56,720
Speaker 1: It's a pleasure talking with all of you. It's really

2718
02:28:56,720 --> 02:29:00,920
Speaker 1: great to uh can burst back and forth with guys

2719
02:29:00,920 --> 02:29:04,680
Speaker 1: with your tailber. Thanks for having me Mark. Yeah, thanks,

2720
02:29:04,720 --> 02:29:07,720
Speaker 1: thanks guys. I appreciate it. It It was a lot of fun.

2721
02:29:07,959 --> 02:29:12,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, do it again, give me a call. Yeah,

2722
02:29:12,720 --> 02:29:20,080
Speaker 1: it's yeah, Yeah, it's uh, it was. It's been a

2723
02:29:20,160 --> 02:29:23,039
Speaker 1: good time. You know, I look up to both of

2724
02:29:23,040 --> 02:29:26,320
Speaker 1: these guys, are both you know, very motivating and uh

2725
02:29:26,440 --> 02:29:28,879
Speaker 1: obviously great hunters. And you know, thanks for having me

2726
02:29:28,920 --> 02:29:34,000
Speaker 1: to Mark. Hey, my pleasure. Someday I hope I can. Yeah,

2727
02:29:34,520 --> 02:29:36,240
Speaker 1: I was gonna say someday, I hope I can stand

2728
02:29:36,240 --> 02:29:38,120
Speaker 1: in your company as an equal. I'm working on it.

2729
02:29:40,720 --> 02:29:43,039
Speaker 1: I would point out really quick, you know, how people

2730
02:29:43,120 --> 02:29:46,959
Speaker 1: conduct themselves is important A lot of people out there

2731
02:29:47,040 --> 02:29:49,440
Speaker 1: kill big Bucks. Like you know, then there's lots of

2732
02:29:49,440 --> 02:29:52,440
Speaker 1: ways to kill big Bucks. And you know, um, part

2733
02:29:52,440 --> 02:29:54,560
Speaker 1: of my friend. But like if you turn into a

2734
02:29:54,600 --> 02:29:57,680
Speaker 1: dick measure and contest, I don't have any time, you know.

2735
02:29:59,560 --> 02:30:02,680
Speaker 1: I I like how people, you know, I like both

2736
02:30:02,920 --> 02:30:05,959
Speaker 1: the way both of you. You know, you're classy about it.

2737
02:30:06,120 --> 02:30:09,680
Speaker 1: You know there's always something more to learn. Um. You

2738
02:30:09,800 --> 02:30:12,920
Speaker 1: never you know, never air again about it. Um. And

2739
02:30:13,000 --> 02:30:16,080
Speaker 1: that that kind of thing speaks for itself in my opinion.

2740
02:30:16,320 --> 02:30:19,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, well said, I agree with that as well.

2741
02:30:19,480 --> 02:30:22,120
Speaker 1: And and the interesting thing if you I don't know

2742
02:30:22,160 --> 02:30:26,160
Speaker 1: if you guys were, but mentally, as you guys are talking,

2743
02:30:26,280 --> 02:30:29,480
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about what you're saying. And I think if

2744
02:30:29,520 --> 02:30:32,280
Speaker 1: you notice all of the guys, uh, the other guys,

2745
02:30:32,520 --> 02:30:36,720
Speaker 1: anytime somebody was speaking, you could the wheels returning. These

2746
02:30:36,720 --> 02:30:39,960
Speaker 1: guys are definitely students at no at no matter what

2747
02:30:40,040 --> 02:30:42,680
Speaker 1: level they're at. UM, they're computing what I'm saying, and

2748
02:30:42,760 --> 02:30:46,760
Speaker 1: computing with each other is saying and in agreeing or

2749
02:30:47,000 --> 02:30:49,480
Speaker 1: or adding to it. And to get to the next level,

2750
02:30:49,680 --> 02:30:51,480
Speaker 1: that's the mindset you have to have. And that's why

2751
02:30:51,520 --> 02:30:55,400
Speaker 1: these guys are successful. They get it and when they

2752
02:30:55,800 --> 02:30:59,520
Speaker 1: when somebody's speaking, they're listening. And I've learned a lot

2753
02:30:59,720 --> 02:31:03,600
Speaker 1: from brilliant guys. I've learned a lot some really stupid

2754
02:31:03,640 --> 02:31:06,600
Speaker 1: guys that stupid hunters. They killed the giant, and I

2755
02:31:06,600 --> 02:31:08,800
Speaker 1: think to myself, how did he kill it? Well, he

2756
02:31:08,920 --> 02:31:11,320
Speaker 1: killed it because he did something stupid that I would

2757
02:31:11,360 --> 02:31:13,039
Speaker 1: never think of doing. And you learned from that. And

2758
02:31:13,040 --> 02:31:15,600
Speaker 1: these guys are students of the game and they're learning

2759
02:31:15,640 --> 02:31:19,400
Speaker 1: from everybody around them. That's a great point. I would

2760
02:31:19,440 --> 02:31:22,520
Speaker 1: just mention. I like reading like North American white Tail,

2761
02:31:22,680 --> 02:31:25,840
Speaker 1: like their big Buck profile or whatever they call um,

2762
02:31:25,879 --> 02:31:29,480
Speaker 1: because a lot of them are like complete blind luck,

2763
02:31:29,640 --> 02:31:32,920
Speaker 1: like this guy killed then and bodiens non typical, and

2764
02:31:33,240 --> 02:31:35,920
Speaker 1: but it's like it's it's luck, but it's not luck,

2765
02:31:36,080 --> 02:31:39,400
Speaker 1: you know, Like, yeah, he just happened to choose that spot.

2766
02:31:39,440 --> 02:31:41,640
Speaker 1: He walked into the woods randomly as the meat hunter,

2767
02:31:41,680 --> 02:31:43,760
Speaker 1: and he had this giant. But like, like I looked

2768
02:31:43,760 --> 02:31:47,119
Speaker 1: behind the scenes at the story and all these things

2769
02:31:47,160 --> 02:31:49,520
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, their first time sits or you know,

2770
02:31:49,640 --> 02:31:52,240
Speaker 1: the guy's not mucking up the spot with checking his

2771
02:31:52,280 --> 02:31:56,360
Speaker 1: jail killer every three days or so. Yeah, so true

2772
02:31:56,480 --> 02:31:59,720
Speaker 1: that that's that's such a going to learn something from everybody,

2773
02:32:00,040 --> 02:32:04,920
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah, yeah, well to definitely do this again.

2774
02:32:04,959 --> 02:32:08,400
Speaker 1: There's some there's so many other things to keep talking about. Yeah,

2775
02:32:08,440 --> 02:32:11,040
Speaker 1: we've only we've only scratched the surface, that's for sure.

2776
02:32:11,040 --> 02:32:13,680
Speaker 1: I feel there's a thousand more questions I'd like to

2777
02:32:13,720 --> 02:32:18,560
Speaker 1: ask in top us to cover. But next time, and

2778
02:32:18,680 --> 02:32:22,640
Speaker 1: there you go are two hundred episode is in the books,

2779
02:32:23,160 --> 02:32:25,240
Speaker 1: and like I said, I think it was at the

2780
02:32:25,280 --> 02:32:28,520
Speaker 1: end of last episode. Thank you guys for making this

2781
02:32:28,600 --> 02:32:30,840
Speaker 1: all possible. It's been a heck of a ride, and

2782
02:32:31,120 --> 02:32:33,800
Speaker 1: uh really looking forward to where we can take things next.

2783
02:32:34,800 --> 02:32:38,600
Speaker 1: Uh that said, I've kept you here a long long time.

2784
02:32:38,680 --> 02:32:41,160
Speaker 1: I think this is our longest episode ever. So we'll

2785
02:32:41,160 --> 02:32:43,640
Speaker 1: shut this down here real quick. Just want to wrap

2786
02:32:43,680 --> 02:32:47,119
Speaker 1: it up by thanking our partners at Sitka Gear, Yetie Cooler's,

2787
02:32:47,160 --> 02:32:51,040
Speaker 1: Matthew's Archery, Maven Optics, the White Tail Institute of North America,

2788
02:32:51,480 --> 02:32:55,480
Speaker 1: Trophy Ridge and hunter ra Maps, And finally, thank you

2789
02:32:55,520 --> 02:32:57,920
Speaker 1: all for listening. Good luck out there if you are

2790
02:32:57,959 --> 02:33:00,560
Speaker 1: doing some scouting or some ship hunting of your own,

2791
02:33:00,760 --> 02:33:05,560
Speaker 1: and until next time, stay wired to hunt. H