WEBVTT - Where is Luke Danes? (S1 E9, “Rory's Dance”) 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:18.000 I Am all in. Oh, I am all in with 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.680 Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Hey everybody, we're back. 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:26.400 I am Scott Patterson and this is the I Am 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:31.920 All In Podcast with my heart radio ladies and gentlemen. 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:38.000 What an episode? Rory's Dance? What is going on? Where's Luke? 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:43.559 Luke was not in the episode? Did I shoot some 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:47.400 scenes and they got cut? I don't remember. I don't 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:51.800 know you have any clue, because my gut feeling is 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:55.440 that you you did a scene for this episode that 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.520 they had to cut, and it was known if you 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:01.360 didn't work for a week, the audience couldn't handle it 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:04.959 was too powerful. It was too powerful. Were you surprised 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:08.120 when you watched the episode and you weren't in it? No, 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:12.000 I was too engaged in the episode. I didn't I 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:14.759 didn't care. I told you I don't like watching myself, 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:17.280 so I was kind of happy. At what point did 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:22.000 you realize I'm not in this um after it was 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:25.000 done and I said, wait, I wasn't in that. I 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.520 really enjoyed this episode. I realized until the second time 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:30.280 I watched it. I had a call Danielle and I 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:36.240 was like, what Scott in that the seeds of my 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:43.600 podcast career planted early on. Yes, I need a backup plan. No, 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:45.560 I was in the episode. No, the diner was in 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.200 the background and when she ran out of miss Patties 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:49.520 and said, no, I have to get home. I have 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:51.240 to get home. No, let me explain it to your 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:56.960 as being in it. Well, it's in my contract, guess. 0:01:57.040 --> 0:02:00.720 But I got paid for that episode. But do you 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:04.680 remember any scenes that just didn't make it there? There 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:07.680 might have been that scene with Sean Gunn and I 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:13.079 in a massive fist fight, but it probably No, No, 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:15.440 not at all. No, I just wasn't it. I guess 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.840 I wasn't in the episode. You didn't save your scripts, 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:21.000 did you sure? I did. I have every single script 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:26.000 in plastic, and I have every single rehearsal script, and 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.240 I have every single table read script. I have literally 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.200 hundreds of scripts. Hello, can you go into the garage 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.720 where all the gum is and find out if that 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:41.360 script is in there, because maybe there's something in the script. Dude, 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:47.160 those scripts are in storage in a vault guarded by 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:51.320 Doberman pinchers with razor wire. That's how you're gonna put 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.600 your kid into college with that money? My kid's gonna 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:58.400 get a scholarship, a robotics scholarship. He's not gonna need 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:00.200 me to pay for it. I just you don't think 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:04.240 there's something in the script that was a scene that 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.560 you shot but then they had to edit it out 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:13.359 because did that ever happen? No? No, no, no. The 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:17.200 planning of those scripts was very detailed and very specific, 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:21.920 and um, I think they must have been getting feedback 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:25.440 for the first six or seven episodes that maybe it 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.079 was I was taking over the show and they had 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.679 to pull the character. I mean, Suki was barely in it. 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.400 Suki was barely in it. Michelle wasn't in it. Wait 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:42.400 was he? Michelle was not in it? Was it? No? No, no, no, yeah, 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.480 it was early on. They were still figuring out, you know, 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.320 where the character was going and you know what was happening. 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:52.440 I mean, I don't know. No, I wasn't in it, 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:54.400 but Luke's diner was in it in the background, and 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.680 that's enough. Well, and the end of the episode, I know, 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.480 I'm going out of order, but the end of the 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:04.360 episode was garly dramatic, like that was hardcore, Like when 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.360 she's like, you're going on the pill and Rory's like, 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:09.920 you know, I wouldn't sleep with him. Like the whole 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:12.640 thing was like, Oh, this is the worst thing they've 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.040 had yet. Yeah, that was a that was a real 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.039 I mean your kids out to I mean, she she 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:20.599 fell asleep because Emily gave her some pills, right she 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.720 got Lauren felt I mean Laura I fell asleep because 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:28.000 she was on mild sedatives her back there was no 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.600 Suki gave it to her, right and and yeah, they 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:33.919 both fell asleep. And I don't know, you know what 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.880 really a couple of he I was thinking about this 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:42.960 last night. I said, teenage seventeen year olds. They're not drinking, Uh, 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.840 they're they're in there falling in love or they're in love. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.440 They're excited, they're excitable, they're full of energy. How do 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.160 they walk into Miss Patties and then all of a 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.880 sudden fall asleep because we know it was only like, 0:04:54.360 --> 0:05:00.599 wasn't it was maybe ten thirty they bail on the 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.760 dance early. It might have been ten What the heck 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.840 happened in Miss Patties that they just fell asleep? I 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:09.599 mean they didn't smoke a joint worn out from the 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.839 fight with Tristan and the stacking of the beans and 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:19.920 worn out. It's a Tacos suki bro. When I was seventeen, 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:23.240 I didn't conk once. I don't care how much stress 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.920 I had in my day. Seventeen year olds can stay 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.719 until four in the morning without for three days in 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.679 her own and they're still like bouncing around. I mean, wow, 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:36.159 maybe there's a gas leak in Miss Patties. I think 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.120 it happened, because then we get the crazy scene where 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:45.080 she's running and why it happened. Dude, they're nodding out. 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:48.120 I don't know. I just wanted to point that out 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:56.320 to the paying audience. It's like, what, well, okay, so 0:05:56.520 --> 0:06:00.400 really it's a Emily lore life fight that then came 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:06.039 a lure like Rory catastrophe. That was just typical dumping 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:11.919 on your kid after you'd had a confrontation with your mother. 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:16.279 You know, the big ugly monster that Emily can be. Um. 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.680 I mean, she's right, but she's wrong at the same time, right, 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.479 and Rory called her out on it. Rory kind of said, 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:25.160 this is not about me, this is about your mom's right. 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:29.960 I wasn't all together surprised when she started opening up 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.120 on on Rory right away. Because you know she supported her. 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:36.440 I trust my kid in this, but you know, I 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:40.000 don't know. It kind of makes sense, uh, that mother 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:43.200 of her really triggers her. I mean really, and it 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:48.360 was they were getting along and yeah, so then we 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:53.480 were in for a big old boom. But you know, 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:58.480 Rory kind of deserve that she was out all night. 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.680 She conned at ten thirty. What it's not So from 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:03.760 Laurelized point of view, she's probably thinking the same thing. 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:07.800 I'm thinking. You're a teenager, you don't conk what's going on. 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:09.960 You have too much energy to Oh, I just fell 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.200 asleep and miss Patty's I wouldn't have believed it either. 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:14.760 I think a mother would think my kid's been in 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:17.800 a car accident. I think all that fear. Yeah, and 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:23.240 I and I know that Laurel I was thinking, um um, 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.960 I'm just fronting from my mother to defend my kid. 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.400 But I'm still pissed at my kid because I want 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.360 a damn explanation. But I'm not going to break in 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:32.320 front of my mother because I'm not going to give 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.320 her the satisfaction that she's right but wrong doing this 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:39.600 inside my own home. Amazing performance by all three, completely 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:47.320 nailed it, nail just killed it. Just beautiful stuff. Um, 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:52.000 and I mean, what can you say? What can you say? Uh, 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:57.840 perfect ending, sitting down, covering herself, breaking down, just one 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:00.840 of those days and just be a mom. You know 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:05.520 every mom goes through it. It's real life happening before 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:09.120 our eyes. It's three generations of real life happening before 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:15.560 our eyes. Um. Yeah, just wonderful stuff, wonderful, great episode. 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:20.680 It's the episode I started liking Dane and Tristan. I 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:24.239 really thought Paris was certifiable. Good God, oh my god. 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.440 And with the cousin and the whole thing is god sad. 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.680 And then first when Tristan is buying the ticket and 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.680 he sort of teases, like you got a date, the 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.480 first time he's actually vulnerable with Rory. I mean that's 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:39.959 when he we see that he needs her, wants her, 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.280 really likes her. It's not just a game now, it's 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:48.040 like he really needs there's a need there. Um, there 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:49.920 was a need before just to play the game, because 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.440 he's just testing her the way Laura I tested Max, 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:55.600 you know what I mean, and tests me and you 0:08:55.600 --> 0:09:00.400 know that kind of thing distance distantance. So um yeah, 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:05.920 but I mean the takeaway from me, is is in 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:10.280 that dynamic with those characters. The only thing that dated 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:14.280 that show for me was the behavior of Paris. I mean, 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:17.560 that kind of behavior was isn't gonna fly today? Isn't 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:24.400 amazing how that particular character in that situation didn't age well. 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.000 I mean, like I said, like I said previously, I mean, 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.319 if she can't handle Um, if she can't handle Rory 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.080 and and and Tristan, if she's gonna trigger to that 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:39.960 degree where she's like physically and verbally violent, like bordering 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:44.120 on psychosis, how is she going to handle Harvard? I mean, 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:48.040 there's a thousand Tristan's there. There's there's a thousand Rorris there. 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.720 I mean, she's gonna freak out over there in Harvard. 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:55.640 Harvard's ten thousand students, it's ten thousand students undergraduates, and 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:59.760 it's twenty graduate students. So you know, it's it's it's 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.400 not a huge campus. It's not a huge college, but 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.080 it's you know, there's enough people there. Paris is going 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.200 to be in trouble. She's not a type of person 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.080 you want to go to Harper No. I mean you 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.600 know that that Paris is always sort of on the 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:16.880 edge of good God losing it. But I mean she 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:21.600 came on glued. I'm glued perfect. She came on glued 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:25.320 through that entire she started abusing the poor little fellow 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:29.320 sitting next to her who was getting the change. At 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.800 least she didn't recite Shakespeare and somebody's here here well, 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.480 I mean, at least that's you know, that's sort of 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.600 harnessing the rage and turning it into something else, which 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.720 is you know, there's there's some art and that, there's 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:45.400 some there's that that's poetic. But I mean she's just 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:49.120 out and out, just like Lunacy throughout the whole episode. 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:55.240 You kind of do love the comic relief teenage noss 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:59.240 of Louise and Madeline. They're always there to just be 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:05.520 teenage like and kind of honey and Madeleine always having 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.520 the last word and coming off like a nice person. 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:10.840 But what the hell she dealing with Louise, which makes 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.160 it even more funny. It's like, what are they doing together? 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:19.560 It's like Madeline kind of playing along the the goofy sidekick, 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:21.440 and she doesn't she's not really into it, but she is, 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:26.120 and she says she's sorry, and you're a nice persons 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:30.959 all of a hot mess at that dance, that's for sure. Um, 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.240 And where were the teachers to break up that fight? 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:38.640 They were dancing, they were all day. I saw a 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:41.960 lot of older people on the dance floor dancing. They 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:43.760 were the teachers, they had to be. Couldn't have been 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:48.000 the students, you know. But Dean, boy, he didn't waste 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:49.640 any time, doesn't He gets her on the dance floor. 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:53.839 Let's make out. Let's go. And Tristan wanted to make 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:57.800 out with that date too, even in his like longing 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.320 for Rory, he was like, Okay, I'll make out with 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:05.120 my date too. Did she become more desirable because she 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:12.320 had Dean there? Who become more desirable? Oh? God? Far more? 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.840 Are you kidding? I mean, you bring a kid like 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.760 Dean into the prom and everybody's gonna be talking about 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:20.520 I was not the prom, but the dance, but everybody's 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:24.520 gonna be talking about a gossip me gossiping about him? 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:28.560 And uh. I thought Dean did very well for himself 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:32.280 in this episode. He really was a stand up guy. 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:37.880 He became he was crowned the boyfriend and he he 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.880 deserves her heart at that At that point in time, 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:46.720 I mean that's that's a very very chivalrous, romantic, Uh, 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.959 A manly thing to do is like get away from 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:54.679 my girlfriend. You know, it's wonderful. And you know, as 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.319 old fashioned as that seemed, it's you know, sometimes it's necessary, 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.640 and it was necessary in that situation. And she was 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:06.600 being harassed by Um Tristan. I mean it's just no 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:09.040 matter how much you know I liked him, or he's 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.600 becoming vulnerable. I mean, he was a problem. I mean, 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:13.800 she was going to Chiltern, trying to learn, trying to 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.240 further her education and get into Harvard, and you've got 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:21.240 this jackass kid just just mocking her, just disrespecting her 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:25.800 every time he showed up. Um, even though his reasons 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:33.040 for it are probably understandable, You're right, he really he's 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.480 a jerk to her. He's a total jerk, and he's inappropriate. 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.000 And I yeah, I think I think both those characters 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:44.280 probably they're not aging well you know what I mean. Yeah, 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:46.120 there were there were a few parts where it was 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:50.480 a little bit like whoa this is? That's that's very 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:58.840 two thousand. It's very two thousand. Okay, everybody, we're gonna 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:00.600 take a break when we come back. We're gonna talk 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:05.320 more about Tristan, the wonderful Tristan, the complex Tristan. We'll 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:12.800 be back. Yeah, sorrybody, We're we're gonna get into a 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:17.679 little bit of Chad Michael Murray Tristan uh memories here. Uh. 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:21.600 He was just on the Today Show and he was 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:25.840 discussing how people react to his character in a very 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.840 surprising way to him and I think a surprising way 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:32.280 to us and everybody listening. People came up to him 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:36.520 and and said that they actually really loved his character. 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.400 He you know, he he was expecting. You know, usually 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.240 people are you know, are very critical of his character, 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:45.680 you know, negative encounters with fans, but he says they've 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.200 they've been very positive, and he's very surprised by it. 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:50.560 So let's let's get into that a little bit, because 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:54.080 this is a big episode for Tristan. And uh, what 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.920 do you guys think about this? Do you love him? 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.320 Do you hate him? Do you love to hate him? 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:04.720 And also we sort he changed changes a little bit 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:09.479 too right now. He's pretty awful. I wanted to love him, 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.000 and I did love him, and I wanted to give 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:15.880 him a hug when he was standing there when the 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.080 camera hit him and he was watching Dean and Rory 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:22.480 kiss on the dance floor. I felt bad for the guy. 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:26.120 I've been that guy. I've been in his shoes. Every 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.240 guy has been in his shoes with a girl that 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:32.320 he wants. And I was no Tristan. I mean, I'm 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:36.280 not trying to compare myself to Tristan. Uh, but that hurts. 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:41.040 That's a gut shot. You're gutted, and boy I felt 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:42.400 bad for I wanted to give him a hug. I 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:46.720 started liking very similar to you in the episode before 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:51.640 seeing Max and Laurela. It was sort of that same 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.560 gut wrenching Yes, Scott, I totally agree with you. Up 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:59.240 until this episode, I was very much like, oh, he 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:04.400 calls her rry, can he please stop? He's so snobby 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:09.800 and annoying and popular. And this episode, I I it 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.360 took a second. I was like, oh, no, there's something 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.760 more there, Like I got a little soft spot for him. 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.600 It was the first time that I actually felt that way. 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.320 And and it was when Rory was standing in line 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.080 to buy the ticket for the dance and he came 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.000 up and he was his arrogant jackass self, But then 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.640 you realize that he really, he's getting a little more 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:34.320 vulnerable with her, He's revealing a little more, and he's 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.560 asking her, you know, still indirectly, but asking her to 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.840 go to the dance with him, and it bothers him. 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.560 So I kind of started like, oh, okay, all right, 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.000 isn't it amazing what vulnerability does. It's just it's just 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:53.440 it's just gosh. Preston is exactly that guy, the guy 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:59.120 that's popular and handsome but insecure and sort of deals 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:02.920 with it by being kind of a jerk. It made 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:07.119 me think hard, what's going on at his home? What's 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:11.520 happening with mommy and daddy? What's going on? I mean, 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:15.080 it's like, there's there's some bad stuff going on. His 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.480 dad drinking is what's his dad treating him like crap? 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:23.680 Is dad having an affair? It's like, what's going are 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.399 their mental issues at home? What's happening that poor kid? 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:31.760 Agree with you? I felt the same way, And I 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:34.560 also thought he was the ultimate pulls your hair because 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:38.720 he likes you. That That was then I started becoming 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:43.320 like feeling parental toward him, like wanting to reach out 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:45.760 and and take his hand and say, hey, bud, let's 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.560 let's let's go on a little walk, you know, and 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.159 tell me what's going on in your life. And you know, 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:52.720 I wanted to help him. I'm at that stage of 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:54.320 my life where I have a little bit of wisdom, 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.440 you know, a little bit, and and I really wanted 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:59.960 to help that kid. And I thought, boy, he's in trouble. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.880 He's in big trouble because he's looking like he's going 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:07.160 to fail in life, like if he's if he's this way, 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.359 he's this wound up. And I know Rory is extraordinary, 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:14.280 for for sure, she's extraordinary, but uh, and I have 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:17.159 the same thought about Paris too. If she's this wound 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:21.520 up about Rory at at Chilton, what the hell is 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.080 she going to react like when she gets to Harvard 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:27.160 when there's a thousand Rory's and there's a thousand Tristan's. 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:29.920 I agree, it sort of makes sense why Chad Michael 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:33.479 Murray recently said that people come up and say I 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:38.160 love Tristan because they must understand what's really going on. 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.360 But first you're like, he's such an ass. But as 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:46.800 an actor, right, the sensitivity of Chad and what he 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.360 did in that moment and the way he looked at 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:54.040 her and the way he felt it completely transformed my 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:57.280 opinion of him. It made me see that's called layering 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:01.360 a character character and that's again right, writing, great acting. 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:04.880 These kids are really good actors. Jesus. These kids are 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:06.560 so young and they're so good at what they do. 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:08.520 I think I think he was eighteen at the time too. 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:13.200 They're just kids. It's not surprising that this show got 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:16.160 him the lead on One Tree Hill. It, Yeah, it's 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:19.280 not surprising at all. I mean, he's showing a real 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:23.879 depth of uh. I mean, just wow. His soul was 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:29.239 ruined watching her dance with and kissing ruined. He was 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.920 just ruined. And the way he kind of went limp 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:35.040 a little bit and he you know, he confronted Dean 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:38.359 and you know, hey, we haven't met, and then and 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:40.880 then he escalated. But even the way he did that, 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.440 and that's a tough scene for for Chad to play 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.919 because he's got to come off tough, but he also 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.040 has to, you know, go limp a little bit in 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:54.440 the face of an obviously stronger uh and a more 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:57.800 righteous Dean in the situation, and it's like, how does 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.000 he play it? So at a certain point in that scene, 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:03.960 the confrontation scene with Dean. With Dean is I think 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:06.240 he realized and he made his choice as an actor. 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:08.719 He realized that he was in the wrong, that he 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:12.480 was the weaker person, and that Dan Dean made him 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:17.399 realize that, and he actually felt shame. I felt the 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:21.520 same way physically, he sort of really Yeah, he kind 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:27.800 of gave up so beautifully. Yes, it was. It was. 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.680 It's so difficult to do, and he did it beautifully. 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.840 He did it beautifully. He kind of manned up. But 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:36.000 then he, you know, he knew he was in the wrong, 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:38.600 and I think he pulled back because he realized that, 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:41.639 especially when he went in for the last time and 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:47.040 and and Dean just said before they started pushing each other, Um, 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.280 he just kind of you could see in his eyes 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.080 a light go out a little bit like this, he 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:54.840 wasn't going to get his way. And I think it 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.240 was almost he was almost doing it because he didn't 0:20:57.240 --> 0:20:58.760 want to get his way. I think he did it 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.320 because he wanted Dean to beat him up. I think 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:04.040 he did it because he thought he deserved to get 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:07.200 beaten up. Yeah. I don't think any of what you're 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:09.399 saying is wrong. I think you're kind of right. I 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:13.080 can't decide if he's spoiled or what the deal is, 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:15.480 but yeah, I think he's just super sad on the inside. 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:21.200 I think he's he's very wealthy, he's very privileged. He's 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:24.840 so handsome. Yeah, great looking kid, and it's got everything 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:27.640 going for him. But boy, what a facade because there's 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:31.320 a hurt, wounded soul behind that thing, and it's so 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:35.879 interesting to see it. It's really interesting for him to 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:40.040 peel that layer back and to show us that he's not. Yeah, 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.840 I'm a I'm a jackass and I know I'm a jackass, 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:45.640 and I don't like it, so please beat me up, 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:49.080 because why else would you? Why else would you challenge 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:51.399 somebody who's, like, you know, three inches taller than you are. 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:56.800 It's interesting when we read that Chad gets that reaction. 0:21:57.080 --> 0:22:00.959 We did like an informal poll, Danielle where they're like, 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:06.240 what happened? It was pretty split forty eight in favor 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:14.280 of Tristan and don't like him. So I think we 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:16.920 get the opinions from people who like him and hate him. 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:19.760 It's like, I I sort of loved it, hate him. Yes, 0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:23.800 the character allows you to really, you know, vent on 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:26.439 somebody like that, because we've all had people like that 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:31.679 in our lives, right, um um. But I don't know, 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:35.600 I'm I like him, I want to get to know 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:39.440 him now. I'm interested in like finding out what's going 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:43.000 on with him. Yeah, you really kind of love Tristan 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:45.320 and Dean in this episode. I mean, I still think 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:50.679 Tristan's he's a eighteen he's a kid, he's seventeen, you know. 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:56.360 I mean, come on, those kids are They're so filled 0:22:56.400 --> 0:23:00.560 with confidence, you know, and you know, nothing really bad 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:03.159 has happened to them yet. Nobody's ever said no to 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:05.400 them yet. They just haven't been out in the world. 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:10.199 But I think in Tristan's background, something's going wrong and 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:13.480 it's and it's and it's going it's going wrong, like 0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:17.360 right now as it's happening, and he's he's freaked out 0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:19.280 by it. You know, maybe the parents split up, Maybe 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:21.240 the parents are fighting a lot or splitting up, or 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:27.680 who the heck knows. Yeah, And I think I think 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:32.400 he's probably just a very sensitive, very intelligent boy who 0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:35.919 was probably a very sweet boy, and he's getting abused. 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:39.080 Somebody's abusing him. Maybe his father is verbally abusing him 0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:41.639 or being too rough. With him or cutting him down? 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:45.560 You know, who knows? Who the hell knows? But it's 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:47.479 like I want to know. I want to know what 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:54.919 it is. What's his damage? Boy, let's get him on. 0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:58.440 I want to I wanna because he has more insight 0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:00.520 and he, you know, made these choice, maybe had some 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:05.280 conversations with Amy about background that's not in the show. 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:08.200 So it would be interesting to find pretty sweet guy. 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:10.280 He's a sweet guy in their life, as you know. Yeah, 0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:12.800 he's a good dude. Okay, Danielle, tell us how we're 0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:16.160 going to solve this conundrum. So we have one listener 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:18.480 that is calling it right now, Easton, if you want 0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:20.280 to let her in from the waiting room. Her name 0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:28.600 is Amelia. Hates him, she likes him. Hello, Amelia, Hi, 0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:33.159 how you doing? Goodness? My goodness? Right pack at you? 0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:36.560 How are you doing? Let me? Where are you calling 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:40.520 in from? Look at the sweatshirt? Got the Luke sweatshirt on? 0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:44.960 There you go representing alright? Where you Where are you from? Amelia? 0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.879 Joshua Tree, California? Oh my god, you're out in the 0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:52.760