1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Welcome back to a numbers game with Ryan Gruduski. Thank 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: you guys for being here. Happy Monday every month. A 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: poll just came out splitting the online left in half, 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: and I want to talk to you all about it 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: because it shows the level of delusion by activists on 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: the left in this country on certain issues and how 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: they are unwilling to concede something very obvious to the 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: rest of us, especially conservatives. But to the American public 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: at large. What am I talking about? I'm sure you're wondering. 10 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 1: There is a guy named Lakesha Jane. I'm pretty sure 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: I'm pronouncing his first name correctly. If I'm not, mister Jane, 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:39,959 Speaker 1: please I apologize. I'm sure you've never heard of him 13 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: as a software engineer out in California, but he also 14 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: examines and collects political data for a bunch of left 15 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: leaning publications. I don't know him, but he seems to 16 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,639 Speaker 1: be fairly left of center, but thoughtful, and even when 17 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: I disagree with him on his outcome, I say, Wow, 18 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: he's not a dummy. He really did the work to 19 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: come to this conclusion, and he's very intense legent. Whether 20 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: or not I disagree with him or agree with him. 21 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: While in February seventeenth, he published a piece for a 22 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: publication called The Argument called the trans rights backlash is Real, 23 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: and this is how the piece begins. In twenty sixteen, 24 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: North Carolina's Republican Governor Pat mccroy threw his political way 25 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: behind HB two, a measure commonly known as the Bathroom Bill. 26 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: The law, which required transgender people to use public restrooms 27 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: corresponding to their biological sex, prompted an immense public outcry 28 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: that resulted in business Boycott's widespread condemnation, including from Donald 29 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: Trump himself, and eventually the end of mccroy's governorship. Today, 30 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: the landscape around the issue could not be more different, 31 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: as shown by The Argument's latest national survey of registered voters. 32 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: In fact, fifty two percent of voters now support legislation 33 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: requiring trans people to use bathrooms corresponding to their biological sex, 34 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: while only thirty three percent oppose. And so, in the piece, 35 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: he examines polling he did based on two thousand and 36 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: three registered voters. That was the sample size. I looked 37 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: at the overall methodology. It looked pretty good, and it 38 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: was questions related to trans issues. So I wanted to 39 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: go into it. When I asked about how voters feel 40 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: about the transgender bathroom restriction, fifty two percent of voters supported, 41 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: as I said, thirty nine percent being very supportive, while 42 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: obly thirty three percent of posed. That includes eighty one 43 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: percent of Trump supporters and twenty five percent of Harris voters. 44 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: When I asked about several policies around trans issues, the 45 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: numbers were overwhelmingly one sided, and it wasn't in a 46 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: way that progressives like. Sixty two percent of pose allowing 47 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: gender surgeries on minors. Twenty seven percent supported having gender 48 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: surgeries on miners, Fifty six percent oppose allowing puberty blockers 49 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: for minors. Thirty two percent oppose that policy. Fifty three 50 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: percent prohibited the teaching about gender identity in school, thirty 51 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: seven percent supported it. Supported a national law requiring trans 52 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: athletes in K through twelve schools to compete with people 53 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: of the sex they were born in. Only twenty five 54 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: percent opposed. The only issue, and the only policy where 55 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: the pro trans community had a large support, was banning 56 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: discrimination against transgender people. When it came to housing and hiring, 57 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: sixty three percent supported a bill to ban that from 58 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: happening twenty five percent of pose. What's interesting is that 59 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: while almost all Trump voters have a one sided opinion 60 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: on the issue, they're all against the trans ideology in 61 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: almost every case except for the discrimination part of it. 62 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: Harris supporters were very split. When asked the question about 63 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: trans athletes in K through twelve education, thirty eight percent 64 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: of Harris voters supported the idea that trans athletes had 65 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: to compete against members of the sex they were born in. 66 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: Forty one percent supported having the sex that they identify with. 67 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: When asked a reassignments or minors, thirty eight percent of 68 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: Harris voters opposed it, while forty nine percent supported it. 69 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: When I asked about puberty blockers, thirty one percent of 70 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: Harris supporters banned it, while fifty eight percent of the 71 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: miners should be allowed to have puberty blockers, and even 72 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,239 Speaker 1: those support for same sex marriage remains high and issue 73 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: synonymous with the Democratic Party after two and a half 74 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: decades of trying to stop it. On the half Republicans. 75 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: When I asked which party best reflects the issues of 76 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: the LGBT ident issues on gender issues, a plurality of 77 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: voters said Republicans actually better identify with them on those values, 78 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: thirty nine percent to thirty eight percent being for Democrats, 79 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: while neither party had twenty six percent. Remember this comes 80 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: as support for same sex marriage remains at a two 81 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: thirds two and three Americans supported. This is an issue. 82 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: The trans issue is not only dividing Americans away from 83 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, but it is a toxic element within 84 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: the party that they themselves don't even agree with universally. 85 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: Trans issues is not gay marriage, it's not gay rights. 86 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: This is not gaining momentum over time. This is actually 87 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: losing it. And it reminds me of a New York 88 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: Times column that was written by Andrew Sullivan is a 89 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: I think he was a former Conservative, but he was. 90 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: He's a gay writer with HIV and he wrote where 91 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: he wrote that the gay rights movement has basically won 92 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: every battle they ever fought for, going back since the 93 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: late eighties early nineties. They fought on gay marriage, and 94 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: they won discrimination in housing and hiring, and the end 95 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: of the AIDS epidemic. But those gay nonprofits, those LGBT 96 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: nonprofits that fought on gay marriage and discrimination and better 97 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: funding for AIDS of patients, they made hundreds of millions 98 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: of dollars, and they couldn't let that gravy train end. 99 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: Even though they won the right, the battles are basically over. 100 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: They should close up shop all but you know a 101 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: few outposts to do studies. But they won't because they 102 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: can't stop the money from coming in. It is about 103 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: the money, So they picked a new hobby horse. It's 104 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: the trans issue. It's transing children, it's rewriting human nature 105 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,799 Speaker 1: over the idea that gender is a binary and efforts 106 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: to end the gender binary. It all fell apart, and 107 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: it continues to fall apart because it's an issue that's 108 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: incredibly toxic to voters and politicians. The most important ad 109 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty four election cycle was the Trump 110 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,799 Speaker 1: ad where he talked about horror supporting government sponsored sexual 111 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: reassignment surgeries for illegal immigrants, and the ad read Donald 112 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: Trump is for you, Harris is for they them. It 113 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: was devastating to the Harris campaign. It was the biggest 114 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: indicator that she was out of touch with ordinary Americas 115 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: and she was too liberal to be president. And the 116 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: crazy thing is that progresses. If they took a moment 117 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: of self reflection, they would realize that this issue is 118 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,679 Speaker 1: that they don't even have broad support in their own party. 119 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 1: They would look at this data and say, wow, one 120 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: in three absolutely opposed most of these policies, and not 121 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: only half, maybe sixty percent of Democrats support them. We 122 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: should have a reflection. And this all comes. This pushback 123 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: against the trans issues comes as a larger amount of 124 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: Americans know way trans person in the life. There are 125 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: trans celebrities, trans people on television. But unlike when Ellen 126 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: DeGeneres had her Puppy episode where she came out as gay, 127 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: or the show Will and Grace came out, this has 128 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: not made people more sympathetic to the issue. It has 129 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: made them less so because they know it is wrong 130 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: and not beneficial to children. The targeting of children has 131 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: made it incredibly toxic. And I need to be clear 132 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: to Republicans though, who are hearing this information. Because the 133 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: voters are overwhelming on the side of the Republican Party 134 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: when it comes to trans issue, does not mean you 135 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: can run a political campaign for office solely based on 136 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: trans issues, because even though the public agrees with us 137 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: at large, it is not a high enough priority to 138 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: make it the central issue of any campaign. We learned 139 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: that several times you cannot make the mistake the Republican 140 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: nominee made in Virginia who only talked about trans issues. 141 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: You need to talk about education and energy and immigration 142 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: and reindustrialization and AI and YadA, YadA, YadA. You know 143 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. There has to be a large 144 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: plethora of issues. But I can tell you that the 145 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: Republicans that you need not only have a diverse level 146 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: of opinions, but also Republicans have been smart in how 147 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: they've approached certain culture issues that they knew were too 148 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: toxic for the party right. Republicans dropped the nationwide abortion band, 149 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: they dropped the opposition to gay marriage as part of 150 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: their platform. And you may think major maybe Democrats would 151 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: have a similar position on the transition. Maybe we're Democrats 152 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: would learn from Republicans and say, well, look, you know, 153 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: Republicans moved on certain things because it was two tox 154 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: it was too politically unpopular. Democrats should do the same. 155 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: They won't think again. I will tell you how the 156 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: left treated the data scientists to publish this poll that's 157 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: coming up next. So, as I said, Lake, should Jane 158 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 1: put up these numbers showing that there was a broad 159 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: consensus against the trans issue. Including hormone blockers for miners, 160 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: trans people using bathrooms of their biological sects, restrictions in sports. Well, 161 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: I thought the numbers were fascinating, so I invited him 162 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: on this podcast and he declined, and he said it 163 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: wasn't because you know, I was some evil right winger 164 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: and they you know, he can't talk to me. It 165 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: was because he's been threatened so many times by the 166 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: left for even putting the numbers out there. And I know, 167 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: you know, I know what it's like to have an 168 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: online mob come against you and even send some death 169 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: threats out See. Progressives have been conditioned to believe that 170 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: it is impossible for them to lose any support when 171 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: it comes to social issues. When it comes to the 172 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: culture war, they're like, hey, you know, yeah, we cut 173 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: off teenage girls, healthy breasts, We tried to secretly trans 174 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: kids in schools, call them by different names, block kids' 175 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: natural puberty, causing lifelong damage, and have a small army 176 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: of d transitioners who are you know, screaming how this 177 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: scarred them for life. But we're really shocked that people 178 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: are against the trans transgender issues. We're stunned that not 179 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: everyone's on our side. Progressives can sing to understand that 180 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: it's not the public is in step with conservatives, it's 181 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: that conservatives are in step with the public on this issue. 182 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: So what was the response the liberal left online when 183 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: it came to what the poll showed. I'm not going 184 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: to repeat any of the actual threats that like should 185 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: received because I don't want to give them airtime. But 186 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: what some of the legitimate people with careers in politics 187 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: and journals were saying was pretty shocking. The DC Bureau 188 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: chief Eric Michael Garcia said the backlash cannot be separated 189 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: from the years of concerted right wing messaging about biological mails. 190 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: I guess he's talking about JK. Rowling. You know, that 191 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: insane right winger who has supported socials candidates her entire 192 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: life and was received a pallethra of death threats over 193 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: the fact that she says biological sex is real and 194 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: women should be protected. That hardened right winger, probably the 195 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: most famous person in the world speaking about transgender issues. 196 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: What about g Elliott Morris. He is one of the 197 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: most incompetent polsters in the country. He was one of 198 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: the many polsters, but probably one of the most famous. 199 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: When he was working for I believe it was the 200 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: economists who said that Hillary Clinton had a ninety nine 201 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: percent chance of winning in twenty sixteen and gave Kama 202 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: to Harris the edge, and he gave her the edge 203 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty four election. He said, the whole 204 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: thing was based on just bad faith arguments. It's just 205 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: bad faith arguments. It's not ignore the data. By the way, 206 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: this data from the art that was published in the 207 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: argument is one of many data points saying the same thing. 208 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: But it's all just bad face arguments. Don't look ad 209 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: to it. Retreat to blue sky or wherever the echo 210 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: chamber you most, you know, believe support, get supporters from 211 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: That's the goal from g Elliott Morris. One Democratic Democratic 212 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: Hill staffer named Zachary Ibera, he said, we need to 213 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: change the word puberty blockers to puberty delayers. Know, Zachary, 214 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: you're not just delaying puberty and then poof, everything goes 215 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: back to normal. Puberty Blockers create lifelong damage around fertility, 216 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: bone health, brain and cognitive function, height, and there are 217 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: risk around cardiovascular and metabolic diseases and other health risks. 218 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: Talking about puberty blockers like it's something you could turn 219 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: on and then turn off is like saying, you know, 220 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: we could shut down the economy for COVID nineteen and 221 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: then poof, turn it back on and everything's back to normal. 222 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: It's not that conservatives are being dishonest about this stuff. 223 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: It's that progressives are either knowingly or willingly lying about 224 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: the dangers of trying to stop a child's healthy and 225 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: normal puberty. Jill philippop Philipochvic. I'm slaughtering her last name, 226 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: Philip boffic I believe she's a progressive writer has a 227 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: very large social media following. She said she believe the 228 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: trans right issue is just another civil rights issue, and 229 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: progressives have alienated people by insisting that they follow the science. No, Jill, 230 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: you know who hasn't checked out the science lately. I 231 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: know a lot of liberals are very conditioned to believe 232 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: that the science always justifies whatever their opinions are because 233 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: they're the Party of Science. Because they're always right with science, 234 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: is what they've been saying since the great global warming 235 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: pandemic of the early two thousands. But the science is 236 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: very clear about transgender hormone therapy and surgeries among youth. 237 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: The twenty twenty four Cast Review in the UK, A 238 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: comprehensive independent evaluation of youth gender services concluded of the 239 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: evidence based for puberty blockers is quote remarkably weak and inconsistent, 240 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:54,599 Speaker 1: showing little reliable improvement in gender dysphoria, mental health or 241 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: quality of life. It recommended restricting blockers to clinical trials 242 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: and prioritizing psychological support, leading to a ban of routine 243 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: prescriptions in England in March of twenty twenty four, except 244 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: in exceptional cases. A twenty twenty four systematic review commissioned 245 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: by the Society for Evidence Based Gender Medicine evaluate missectomies 246 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: for gender dysphory in those under twenty six years old, 247 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: finding very low certainty evidence of benefits and highlighting risks. 248 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: Additional reviews on blockers and hormones are ongoing. A long 249 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: term US study initiated in twenty fifteen on puerity blockers. 250 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: This was very famously published in twenty twenty four after 251 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: the results of the study were so not favorable to 252 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: what they were hoping for that they held it up 253 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: for years. They found that no significant mental health improvements 254 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: after two years. In ninety five, transgender youth, contradicting earlier 255 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: Dutch research that inspired widespread use the lead research to 256 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: delay the full publication amid political concerns. That's what I 257 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: was saying before. The evidence is all on one side, 258 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: and that is why countries like the UK, Sweden, Italy, Finland, Norway, Denmark, France, 259 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: and New Zealand have all been placing restrictions and bands 260 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: on hormone therapy and children. This is not just Texas 261 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: and Utah and Florida doing this. This is those socialist 262 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: countries in Europe that Democrats say is the ideal that 263 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: we should emulate. They are sitting there and pushing the 264 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: same exact hormone blocker bands that the Republicans are. Noah Smith, 265 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: who's another liberal writer who has the basic political instincts 266 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: of a line after it's been taxidermied and stuck on 267 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: a wall, said he really believe that Americans are prepared 268 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: to grant bathroom access as a civil right. No, no, 269 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: they are not. And the evidence is overwhelmingly on one 270 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: side about that, especially after there have been a number 271 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: of men who, for nefarious reasons, have identified as women 272 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: to sexually assault women and girls in bathrooms, including teenage 273 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: boys who do this to teenage girls there's plenty of 274 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: stories out of Northern Virginia, which had an insane school 275 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: policy regarded this actually kicked off the Republican interest in 276 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: education was the insanity coming out of Northern Virginia. And 277 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: there were countless other posts from anonymous accounts or people 278 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: not worthy of mentioning whose name who you know? Named 279 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: election as a data hustler who said the Republicans were 280 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: f fall for lying on the issues. Others said it 281 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: was a flat out lie and pointed to the campaign 282 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: where Democrats successfully campaign defending trans issues, like the governor's 283 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: races in Kentuck and Virginia. They were not only talking, 284 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: but they did not run for governor, by the way, 285 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: on trans issues. They just made it one of many issues. 286 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: And as I said, in most cases, the trans issue 287 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: is not the highest priority for voters. They just happened 288 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: to agree with conservatives when it is discussed. They also 289 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: said Democrats seeded ground, but that's just not true. Biden 290 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: had the most amount of transvisibility of any president in history. 291 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he had transgender people in his administration, He 292 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: had transgender celebrities campaign for him. So to Kamala Harris, 293 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: this is just an utter lie from people who can't 294 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: stand the facts are not on their side. And I told, 295 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: like Schen, I said, I hope you're safe. I hope 296 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: that your mental health as well. I hope you stay safe. 297 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: And I know what it's like when liberals don't, you know, 298 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: here's something they don't like, even if it's a joke 299 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: on CNN. But liberals have fashioned this as the new 300 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: civil rights issue. Not only do I know what, you know, 301 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: the intensity is like when liberals have to hear something 302 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 1: they don't like. I know for a fact that there 303 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: are some liberal parents that are openly rooting for their 304 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: children to become transgender. I know a lot of you 305 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: know people like no one roots for their children to 306 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: be ostracized. Yes they do. I know two separate parents 307 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: who I'm not close with, but I know them through 308 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: other friends. You know, they're not in my inner circle 309 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: who are openly they say it, They hope their children 310 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: are transgender. They are so deeply embedded into this cult 311 00:17:56,040 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 1: of identity, politics of critical theory, just absolutely brainwashed to 312 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: the point that you could not help them. You cannot 313 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: sit there. And I know I just said sit there, 314 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: and I always I'm not going to sit there. You 315 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: cannot sit them down and try to rationalize and reason 316 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: with them. They are not capable of it. They are 317 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: fully entrenched in this ideology. And the reason why Democratic 318 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: politicians cannot come to grips with this with the fact 319 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,719 Speaker 1: that their party has hurtled themselves into an unpopular position 320 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: that most Americans not only disagree with, but are increasingly against, 321 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: because they are afraid of the same online community. They 322 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: are afraid of their liberal staffers. They are afraid of 323 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: people in the commentary class who refuse to acknowledge reality, 324 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: and they are too afraid to speak honestly. Coming up 325 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: next is ask Me Anything Now. It's time, but they 326 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: asked Me Anything segment. If you want to be part 327 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: of the ask Me Anything segment, email me ryanat Numbers 328 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: gamepodcast dot com. That's Ryan at Numbers gamepodcast dot com. 329 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: Plural numbers. This question comes from Peter FuMO. My I 330 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: think my biggest supporter. He emails me quite a bit. 331 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: Peter says, can you expand on the warning of the 332 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: construction industry warning Trump GOP will lose South Texas immigration 333 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: laws are enforced too strongly, Peter, this is something that 334 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: the corporate class does all the time, and in fact, 335 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: when I'll take you back to twenty twelve when the 336 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: Republican autopsy was being created about why Mitt Romney lost 337 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: business interest invested in the autopsy saying we need an amnesty, 338 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: they lied about it. It was in some book on 339 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty or twenty twenty four election that I read. 340 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: I forget which one, but it was the first time 341 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: I had realized it that they actually openly lied in 342 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: their publication of the autopsy, that the autopsy never stated that, 343 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: and they inserted it because it was good for business interests. 344 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: They will always say business interests will all we say 345 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: something that will light you that you know, to light 346 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: your hair on fire. If you call for any type 347 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: of regulation when something is harmful, they will call for 348 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: that is the end of the world, when you call 349 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 1: for any kind of tax issue or any kind of 350 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: labor issue. So I don't believe them. I mean, maybe 351 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: I'll be wrong, maybe I will be end up being wrong. 352 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: I do not think that South Texas, no matter how 353 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: they vote in this election, because remember South Texas, even 354 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: though they supported Trump, did not support Crews, and they 355 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: didn't even the areas that did support them support them 356 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: at a much lower rate than they supported Trump. They're 357 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: not Republicans yet. But go back to any issue on AI, 358 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: something I talk about a lot of this podcast. When 359 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: you talk about AI regulations to protect people, they say, 360 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: what do they say, We're gonna lose to China? You 361 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: want China to win? Well, no, that it's not an 362 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: if end like, it's not an if or like. There 363 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: is gray in this conversation. And same thing about immigration 364 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: and labor, and that's just that's just the truth. I mean, 365 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: they say this, all the fruits are rotting in the street. 366 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: How many times have you heard fields? How many times 367 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: have you heard that fruit is rotting in the field 368 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: because they just can't get enough workers. If that were true, 369 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: I mean it's not true. But we have an H 370 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: two a visa for farm hand workers that is limitless. 371 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: You can have as many as you want come in 372 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: to pick fruit. It's all lie. I cannot emphasize to you. 373 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: It is all a lie. They will say or do 374 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: anything to continue the endless gravy train of cheap labor 375 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: to the United States. They do not care what happens 376 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: to the country as a whole. They don't care what 377 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: it's to a Republican party as a whole. It's about money. 378 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: It's very sad, but it is so Trump shouldn't blank 379 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: and should dare them? Say? All right, we'll say next 380 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: question and last one for the episode comes from Derek. 381 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: He writes, Hey, Ryan, love your show. What are your 382 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: thoughts on Rupert Low and Restore Britain. It seems like 383 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: they're trying to be have a true nationalist populist party 384 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: and it's outflanking farage from the right. How would you 385 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: predict this plays out in the run to twenty twenty nine. 386 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: That's the next election cycle for the UK, unless they 387 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: call one earlier. Unlike America most countries in Europe, you 388 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: can call an election whenever or you want. That's why 389 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,479 Speaker 1: some elections are three years out, four years out, two 390 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: years out. But nonetheless they have a limitation till you 391 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: have to call it, So twenty hundred ninety the year 392 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: they have to call it. Listen. I like a lot 393 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: of what Rupert says. I don't like all of it, 394 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: but I don't live in that country. He's very wealthy. 395 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: He'd have to put some money to recruitment. It's very 396 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: difficult to have a substantial third party in the ukn 397 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: I was just talking to my British friends about this. 398 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: They don't think it's going to be a serious challenge one. 399 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: Nigel is a very unique figure in British politics, most 400 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: probably the most important politician in the UK since Margaret Thatcher. 401 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: I don't I would argue that piece very substantially that 402 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: he is the most important British politician since Niger, since 403 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: Margaret Thatcher and Rupert would have to one find competitive candidates. 404 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: He says he only wants candidates who are not professional politicians, 405 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: so he has to train them about how to campaign, 406 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: has to get funding for their campaigns, which there's very 407 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: strict limitations on funding in the UK. It's not like 408 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: America or you could a billion dollars. But they also 409 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: have to try and then get responsible candidates who can 410 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: run real races and try to outflank him. It's a 411 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: very difficult thing. There are local elections happening this year. 412 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: I would like to see where Restore Britain does as 413 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: far as fielding candidates and getting them over the finish 414 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: line in the local elections. I feel like if he 415 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: can get some in local elections, maybe could he get 416 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: up a play in a few House of Common seats, 417 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: but I don't put a lot of stake. Listen, starting 418 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: a third party in Britain is not as hard as America, 419 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: but it's very, very difficult. The only thing that has 420 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: caused I was getting this argument with his British friends 421 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: and they said, look how long it took Nigel. I'm like, yes, 422 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: but Nigel has quit politics at least three or four times, 423 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: and that's and went into private business to earn money 424 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: and then came back. If he had stayed in there 425 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: for a very long time, I think maybe he'd be earlier. 426 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: But Nigel's brilliance is that he's always run the populist wave. 427 00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 1: When the wave was going out, he was on top 428 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: up of the wave, and the way when the wave 429 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,479 Speaker 1: was coming in he was back in private industry. And 430 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: it was view that he was the only person right 431 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: or wrong. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't, but that 432 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: he was the only person who could bring a populous 433 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: revolution to Britain. So that's what I think you know 434 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: is going on there. They really hate Nigel among the 435 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: establishment parties. Even a lot of voters don't like Nigel, 436 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: but they like the Reform Party. Just think that the 437 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: politics is broken as is, so I wish him the 438 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: best of luck to Rupert Lowe. He was a member 439 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: of Reform UK, he was elected. He was one of 440 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: the few elected in the House of Commons on Reform UK. 441 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: But it's going to be very, very difficult. I don't 442 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: think they will act as a spoiler for the for 443 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: either Nigel or the Tories. Yet. Let's see if theyk 444 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: it went a few local races. I will treat him 445 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: seriously if we come out of the end of this 446 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: year and he's got a few house few uh local seats, 447 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: either in the in the councils or maybe a mayorship 448 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: or something like that. But until then, I'm going to 449 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: hold my breath and say it's really right now, Nigel's 450 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: race to lose. And that's the episode. Happy Monday, everybody. 451 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: I will see you guys on Wednesday. If you like 452 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: this podcast, please like and subscribe on the iHeartRadio app, 453 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts wherever you get your podcasts, and I will 454 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: talk to you guys later. Bye.