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Speaker 2: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
Speaker 2: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
Speaker 2: On each episode, we'll discuss the reason we now know
Speaker 2: that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so
Speaker 2: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife on our
Speaker 2: time together today, I want to introduce you to some
Speaker 2: amazing people. Doctor Mark Pitstick you'll remember from episode one
Speaker 2: sixty eight, and he is joined by four ladies. They've
Speaker 2: come together with a brand new powerful book called Shining Light.
Speaker 2: Parents Speak Wisdom, and inspiration from Helping Parents Heal leaders
Speaker 2: and as you may know, Helpingparentsheal dot Org is my
Speaker 2: favorite organization not only helping parents through grief but sharing
Speaker 2: the reality of the afterlife. And they're close to twenty
Speaker 2: thousand global members. So let's jump right in with doctor
Speaker 2: Mark Pitstick.
Speaker 3: What I want to share during this time is the
Speaker 3: huge benefits for all people from this book. I'm not
Speaker 3: just trying to sell it no matter what kind of
Speaker 3: loss or challenge you face. So this is not just
Speaker 3: for parents with a child who's passed. And here's why
Speaker 3: I say that. We interviewed one hundred and thirty parents
Speaker 3: and all of them had one or more children who
Speaker 3: transitioned from Earth. One of them had five, all five
Speaker 3: of our kids. Last week I was working with the
Speaker 3: mob on a Helping Parents Heal webinar. Her son, her husband,
Speaker 3: and her dog all passed the same time from carbon
Speaker 3: monoxide poisoning. And she was sad. You could tell she'd
Speaker 3: been to a lot. Her face is still a little contorted,
Speaker 3: but she is dead and focused on all right. I
Speaker 3: went through this. Where's the blessings? What are the silver linings?
Speaker 3: How can I help other people? How can I make
Speaker 3: more sense. How can I honor my loved ones who passed?
Speaker 3: And I just stand in all of this, And that's
Speaker 3: why we call them shining like parents. They're just so amazing.
Speaker 3: So if they can get to the dark Knight the
Speaker 3: soul and heal enough to get to that point, find
Speaker 3: the meaning, find the blessing, share them with others, so
Speaker 3: can you. That's speaking to everyone. In October twenty twenty three,
Speaker 3: we started interviewing five at a time, these parents, and
Speaker 3: on the third set of interviews Alison who's with us
Speaker 3: now and as David, we're talking about their amazing sun
Speaker 3: and deity and they said, he comes through so loud
Speaker 3: and clear, there's no missing. Well, David was talking about
Speaker 3: he learned it so important for him to get out
Speaker 3: of the way and not have preconceived expectations about how
Speaker 3: they're going to come through, but be open to that.
Speaker 3: Well just then, from the upper right, like from the ceiling,
Speaker 3: it was like this voice shot down to this part
Speaker 3: of my head and said, Mark, you guys need to
Speaker 3: write a book. Call it this title. It'll help help
Speaker 3: a lot of people. And I said, I think I
Speaker 3: just heard from Daty and you're right. He does come
Speaker 3: through loud and clear, and it's on video. You can
Speaker 3: watch all of these videos that're at Helpingparents Heeal dot org,
Speaker 3: Slash YouTube videos, slash affiliate leader interviews, and so I
Speaker 3: actually looked up at the ceiling where that came in.
Speaker 3: I touched my head and I was speechless for a while.
Speaker 3: I watched it recently and I said things like, wow,
Speaker 3: oh my god, Wow. I've given a lot of interviews
Speaker 3: and posts radio shows, but I was just goys back there.
Speaker 3: It took me a while. So that's how it got started,
Speaker 3: and they can share more about that. But it launched
Speaker 3: a series of events that I'm sure are going to
Speaker 3: continue and literally, and I'm not exaggerating, as the power has,
Speaker 3: the hope, the inspiration to help all people and our planet.
Speaker 3: This summer, there were eleven hundred parents who came to
Speaker 3: the Helping Parents Heal conference in Phoenix. So it was
Speaker 3: the first day of the conference and Dolores and Nancy
Speaker 3: and I were talking about four hundred parents, maybe five hundred,
Speaker 3: and we were talking about the book, and I had
Speaker 3: discussed one of the lessons that we learned was that
Speaker 3: many silver lyings, many blessings resulted from what seemed to
Speaker 3: be a senseless tragedy, And I said that could it
Speaker 3: be that a meta blessing of all these children and
Speaker 3: all this game together, because some of these parents become activists,
Speaker 3: They started foundations, they right wrongs, they help in all
Speaker 3: sorts of ways. I said, could it be that all
Speaker 3: of this is going to help reach a tipping point
Speaker 3: for helping all people in our world. Well, just as
Speaker 3: I said that, I glanced up the ceiling and thousands
Speaker 3: of smiling faces. Children, Some were babies, some were little kids,
Speaker 3: some were teenagers, some were adult children. And this is
Speaker 3: a thirty foot high chraton ground, a beautiful place, and
Speaker 3: they were around the ceiling, but then up into the
Speaker 3: sky and even into the clouds. So thousands, the word
Speaker 3: legions just came in and it looked like they were
Speaker 3: seated in stadium seating. And myance Athy, who's an evidential medium,
Speaker 3: said when she trained with Mavis Pattilla, she said, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a common report that when there are a lot
Speaker 3: of spirits, you know people in the next round, they
Speaker 3: are seated in tears. Anyway, all this happened in a
Speaker 3: fraction a second. I looked up and then I look
Speaker 3: back down and continue my presentation. A lot of people
Speaker 3: came up with questions and share stories, and this one
Speaker 3: mom said, I'd like to share with you. So we
Speaker 3: went out in the hall and such an incredible story
Speaker 3: and so inspiring for everyone. Her only child, he was eighteen,
Speaker 3: and they were dear, dear friend. She's a single parent,
Speaker 3: passed on on suddenly and unexpectedly, and she just did
Speaker 3: not want to continue living on earth, so she decided
Speaker 3: to pass on by suicide. So she was literally sitting
Speaker 3: in the corner of her room on the floor at
Speaker 3: the bottle dock and one to have bottle pills and
Speaker 3: the other as getting ready to start slogging them down
Speaker 3: when her son's phone rang and she said, well, I
Speaker 3: should see who's calling him, and that was his best
Speaker 3: friend who had flown in to surprise his best friend.
Speaker 3: And he didn't know because this mom was so destroyed,
Speaker 3: she hadn't even handled anything after her son passed, didn't
Speaker 3: tell his friends and so on. Well, she said, I'm
Speaker 3: so sorry to tell you, but my son passed two
Speaker 3: days ago. So he started crying and she said, come
Speaker 3: on over, you know, let's talk. So they spent the
Speaker 3: afternoon talking, crying, in, eventually laughing, telling stories about this
Speaker 3: delightful young man who was her son and this guy's friend. Well,
Speaker 3: as he started leaving, she said, I just want to
Speaker 3: tell you something. You saved my life because when you called,
Speaker 3: I was getting ready to pass on by suicide. Well,
Speaker 3: the next day she knew that she had to do something.
Speaker 3: She had to take action or she would just stand
Speaker 3: the adult drums and depression. So she decided to volunteer
Speaker 3: for at rescue center. So she goes down there and
Speaker 3: one of the first people that came in was a
Speaker 3: young lady who was disheveled obviously men crying, depressed, and
Speaker 3: she said, can I see your most friendly dog? So
Speaker 3: this mom, who some passed I'll call Judy, brought the
Speaker 3: dog out. She said. The young lady hugged this dog
Speaker 3: and cried over for half an hour. So, you know,
Speaker 3: having just come through what she came through, Judy knew
Speaker 3: that this young lady was really suffering. So they talked
Speaker 3: at length, and the young lady said, yes, I'll take
Speaker 3: the dog, and I want to tell you that you
Speaker 3: just saved my lives because this morning I decided this
Speaker 3: was going to be my last day on earth, and
Speaker 3: I just wanted to get some love and give some
Speaker 3: love to the pet before I left. And when I
Speaker 3: heard that story, I thought, oh my god, that's it,
Speaker 3: in a nutshell, that single thing that exemplifies so beautifully
Speaker 3: the power of each one of us. We follow our hearts,
Speaker 3: we reach down deep, you know, we don't give up
Speaker 3: what we can achieve. Now two weeks later, I'm giving
Speaker 3: a Helping Parents he Old webinar again about the book
Speaker 3: Shining Light Parents Speak, and I shared for the first
Speaker 3: time since that vision with the ceiling, what happened as
Speaker 3: I did Elizabeth Boy's son, as you know, Sandrews, the
Speaker 3: president co founder of Helping Parents Heal, excitedly interjected and
Speaker 3: said this and this phrase blows me away. She wrote.
Speaker 3: The phrase that kept resonating within me after my son
Speaker 3: Morgan transition was our connection with the children on the
Speaker 3: other side will ultimately save the world. Ah. So, as
Speaker 3: you can imagine, after all those things, I think started
Speaker 3: a lot by this book project. So wrapping up, I
Speaker 3: just want to share several takeaways again for all people,
Speaker 3: no matter what your challenges are, because that's part of
Speaker 3: the human experience, you know, we all go through it.
Speaker 3: First of all, as I mentioned, as demonstrated by Judy,
Speaker 3: that we can inspire, empower and comfort others, and even
Speaker 3: if we just helped one person, that's a big deal. Secondly,
Speaker 3: that deep pain and suffering can birth magnificent blessings. It
Speaker 3: can wake us up, it can shake us up, it
Speaker 3: can make us ask those important questions, like, I wan,
Speaker 3: my heir is really a godes, So why is there
Speaker 3: so much sufferings on One of the buzzwords of helping
Speaker 3: parents here is when a child passes, and I would
Speaker 3: say when any other big challenge occurs. It can make
Speaker 3: you better or better, and ultimately it's a choice. The
Speaker 3: next takeaway is stay alert for glimpses of the greater reality.
Speaker 3: Our brain in five senses detect much less than one
Speaker 3: percent of reality. But sometimes when we're in a personal
Speaker 3: high energy state, or we're around a lot of highergy
Speaker 3: people like the conference, will get clear experiences. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm not a medium or a hangar psychic, but I
Speaker 3: saw those kids at the ceiling, and I detect the
Speaker 3: davy telling me to write this book or telling us.
Speaker 3: So I say, stay alert for glimpses that you maybe
Speaker 3: usually wouldn't pick up. Next, remember that you're not alone
Speaker 3: in this question. Your angels, your guys, master teachers in
Speaker 3: the light have greater plans for you than you can imagine.
Speaker 3: And it's real simple. I mean, you don't have to
Speaker 3: change everything yourself. Just do what you feel called to
Speaker 3: do as well as you can and that's enough. And
Speaker 3: that's the last point, which is each one of us
Speaker 3: play a vital role in the fulfillment of that divine plan.
Speaker 3: We can reach a tipping point much more with Cleveland,
Speaker 3: you think.
Speaker 2: As we get into this episode, you're going to meet
Speaker 2: four mothers, Dolores, Nancy, Alison, and Anne Marie. Each will
Speaker 2: tell their stories of their children in the afterlife, the
Speaker 2: signs they've received from them, and also the roles they
Speaker 2: played putting this book together, and key takeaways that they
Speaker 2: think are important for each and every human being, whether
Speaker 2: you're a parent or not. So let's head into the
Speaker 2: first break and we'll be back with the first mom. Lauris.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
Speaker 2: and I'm here with doctor Mark Pittstick and four mothers
Speaker 2: that helped compile the book Shining Light Parents Speak. Next,
Speaker 2: let's meet Dolores.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Sandra, so amazing to be here.
Speaker 6: I live in San Gabriel, California, right outside of Los Angeles.
Speaker 6: I'm a retired elementary school teacher and my son Eric,
Speaker 6: after he passed his spirit back in twenty seventeen, I
Speaker 6: became an author of two books that chronicle my whole journey,
Speaker 6: this whole journey with Eric, with this grief journey, and
Speaker 6: also after having found Helping Parents Heal such an amazing
Speaker 6: organization and I'm just so glad to be part of
Speaker 6: them and part of this book project. We have been
Speaker 6: able to hear and have validated our feelings through these
Speaker 6: amazing stories through these very courageous one hundred and thirty
Speaker 6: parents who are also affiliate leaders and caring listeners for
Speaker 6: Helping Parents Heal, and they have been able to very
Speaker 6: openly share how everything happened, to of course tell about
Speaker 6: their wonderful children, share the manner of their transition, and
Speaker 6: also such obviously painful stories to read and go on
Speaker 6: with the connections that they have still that they have
Speaker 6: continued to have, and the lessons that they've learned, what's
Speaker 6: come from this Even when they thought there was no
Speaker 6: hope and even when they thought how could there be anything?
Speaker 6: I went ahead and when Anne, Marie and Alison and
Speaker 6: Nancy and I were organizing putting this all together, going
Speaker 6: through all the transcripts of the interviews and finally coming
Speaker 6: to those chapters that we agreed on, we kind of
Speaker 6: all said, which one do you want to do? I
Speaker 6: went ahead and took sensing your child's presence. All that
Speaker 6: the parents answered in response to communications that they've had
Speaker 6: divided into little segments like whether it was through electronics
Speaker 6: or through songs on the radio, or through feeling their
Speaker 6: presence or possibly even seeing them or hearing them, or
Speaker 6: messages through medium or through even other.
Speaker 2: People to hear.
Speaker 6: Over and over all the various ways that our children
Speaker 6: have reached out, and that these parents, which include Amri
Speaker 6: and Nancy and Allison and I, we are in it too,
Speaker 6: that we chose to listen. It's so easy to discount,
Speaker 6: to assume maybe it's just some kind of coincidence, you
Speaker 6: know that word that we don't really use anymore, because
Speaker 6: we know that there is something there. So it's just
Speaker 6: been so beautiful and such an honor to be involved.
Speaker 6: So that's the chapter that I did. And these other
Speaker 6: ladies here, Yeah, they've done quite a bit. If I
Speaker 6: can ask you, Dolores, if you could share a story
Speaker 6: maybe from your own life, that you know in your
Speaker 6: heart that we go on, yes, I'd be happy to boy.
Speaker 6: There really are so many which I've kept in a journal,
Speaker 6: so they're all there even when I go back and
Speaker 6: read them I sometimes I will have forgotten, so they go,
Speaker 6: oh my gosh, and then I get all excited all
Speaker 6: over again. But right after Eric passed away, I had
Speaker 6: of course been in deep grief, crying calling out to him.
Speaker 6: I knew he was around. I didn't doubt that that
Speaker 6: was something I already believed. I was pretty sure he
Speaker 6: could hear me, and I would just tell him how
Speaker 6: much I love him, what happened, and I really need
Speaker 6: a hug from you. So that went on for you know,
Speaker 6: many days. But the eight ninth tenth day, I went
Speaker 6: to the store and when I walked in, you know,
Speaker 6: the tables out in front with some people who want
Speaker 6: you to make a donation. And I did recognize it
Speaker 6: was a very good caused having been a school teacher
Speaker 6: a drug abuse resistant education program called the DARE program,
Speaker 6: and I thought, yes, I will make a donation. I
Speaker 6: was happy to do. So I went in, got my
Speaker 6: couple of groceres, came out. There were two young people.
Speaker 6: I went up to the young man who was the
Speaker 6: same height as my son Eric, on the same age,
Speaker 6: about to the same build. He was very friendly, you know,
Speaker 6: it was nice and we chatted for just a bit.
Speaker 6: I wrote my check, handed it to him and he
Speaker 6: wrote a receipt, and as he hands it to me,
Speaker 6: he says, how about a hug? And no one ever
Speaker 6: says that when you're at one of those tables. No
Speaker 6: one had ever said it previous, no one has said
Speaker 6: it since. This came right after my days of pleading
Speaker 6: with Eric for a hug. Here's a young man could
Speaker 6: practically be him, offering for whatever reason, a hug. I said,
Speaker 6: of course, I'll always take a hug. And when I
Speaker 6: hugged him, I felt like I was hugging Eric. And
Speaker 6: as I walked away, I just said, thank you, that
Speaker 6: was you. I don't know how that works, but it
Speaker 6: was him. From that moment. There was more things that occurred,
Speaker 6: but that's something that you could easily say, Oh, wasn't
Speaker 6: that nice of that young.
Speaker 3: Man to offer me a hug.
Speaker 6: It was Eric, and I trust that.
Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing that. And you said, journaling that's
Speaker 2: so important because this ego mind will want to just
Speaker 2: blow off things and it's coincidence, and keep telling you
Speaker 2: it's coincidences. But you can't overlook these repetitive things happening,
Speaker 2: the ones that give you goosebumps and there's no explanation
Speaker 2: for Allison over to you. So I just want to
Speaker 2: first say thank you so much, Sandra.
Speaker 7: When I was learning about the afterlife, you were one
Speaker 7: of the key people who helped me, and I am
Speaker 7: just so grateful and excited to be here. My son
Speaker 7: Davey transitioned in twenty sixteen in a single car accident.
Speaker 7: I'm a former attorney. I represented kids in the child
Speaker 7: of you court and it kind of led me to
Speaker 7: a high school teacher so I could work with the
Speaker 7: kids in.
Speaker 2: A different way.
Speaker 7: And I'm so excited to be part of this. You know,
Speaker 7: the difficult grief process has brought some beauty and this
Speaker 7: is definitely part of that. I made a mantra to
Speaker 7: myself and it was I want to feel you so
Speaker 7: spiritually that I don't miss you so badly physically, and
Speaker 7: that was my goal every day and that's what I
Speaker 7: worked on. I think this book the main message, and
Speaker 7: we've all talked about this, is that people get that
Speaker 7: their children are not gone. I felt that right away.
Speaker 7: People would say to me I'm sorry for your loss,
Speaker 7: and I'd be like, Oh, don't even say that to me.
Speaker 7: I know he's not gone, you know. And I would
Speaker 7: do everything I can to read books from parents who
Speaker 7: had gone through this and still felt the connection. I
Speaker 7: would listen to you and your show and your connection
Speaker 7: with your father, and I would go, that's how I feel,
Speaker 7: That's how I feel. So it helped so much. So
Speaker 7: this book is one hundred and thirty people saying that
Speaker 7: and showing that and giving you their experiences and what
Speaker 7: it meant to them, and their great advice.
Speaker 6: I think the big.
Speaker 7: Thing I'm hearing from what you're saying is how do
Speaker 7: these parents connect?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 7: They want this too. They're hearing all this. You're getting
Speaker 7: signs and the dreams, and this is what I would say.
Speaker 7: I wanted to connect so bad, right, so I just
Speaker 7: had to get quiet. I would meditate. I would get
Speaker 7: in a place, get quiet, maybe put on a little music,
Speaker 7: and picture myself in a place that was really calming,
Speaker 7: and just picture Davy coming in. You know, he usually
Speaker 7: paddleboarded up because he was a surfer, So I pictured
Speaker 7: him coming up and sitting next to me, and then
Speaker 7: I would be like, hey, how are you doing? And
Speaker 7: I just did this in my head quiet, and then
Speaker 7: he would talk, and I would talk in my body
Speaker 7: didn't know the difference that he wasn't physically there and
Speaker 7: that I was imagining this in my meditation. It calmed down.
Speaker 7: It got used to seeing him, and I would do
Speaker 7: this all the time, and when I went on walks,
Speaker 7: my daily walk, I talked to him and I was
Speaker 7: in the car, Like Dolorie said, I talked to him, and.
Speaker 6: My body got used to that. I wanted to.
Speaker 7: Feel him like that right. That was my goal, and
Speaker 7: so I was able to do that. And one of
Speaker 7: my most amazing stories came from that. Right after his transition,
Speaker 7: we had to go to a wedding a couple months
Speaker 7: after because my daughter was in it and I have
Speaker 7: to show up for my daughter's right. They were always like.
Speaker 6: We're not gone, We're still here.
Speaker 7: And so I go to this wedding and I'm doing
Speaker 7: really good making it through, and then the unexpected happened
Speaker 7: where you get that wave, so I know how people feel.
Speaker 7: The mother son dance came. I hadn't thought about it,
Speaker 7: and I just got up. I quietly just walked to
Speaker 7: the bathroom and of course had.
Speaker 2: The wave of grief, and it was really difficult.
Speaker 7: And every wedding after that, my family got used to
Speaker 7: like putting a baby in my arms, doing something right.
Speaker 7: So my nephew, who was Davy's counterpart, like they were
Speaker 7: best buddies, got married a couple of years later, and
Speaker 7: I've got a meditation. I said to Davy, Davy, I
Speaker 7: don't want to be sad at his wedding. I want
Speaker 7: to be joyful. I want to be happy. I miss
Speaker 7: that I didn't get to do that with you. And
Speaker 7: I heard in him say close your eyes, imagine you
Speaker 7: and are dancing. And then he showed me something pretty amazing.
Speaker 7: He took me to the wedding and he's showing Billy
Speaker 7: and my sister dancing, and then he shows my sister
Speaker 7: coming getting me and bringing me on the dance floor,
Speaker 7: and then it turns into me and Davy dancing and
Speaker 7: we're dancing, and it felt magical, like I loved it.
Speaker 7: So I'm like, all right, I got my dance day
Speaker 7: of the wedding, and I'm just remembering this. And it
Speaker 7: comes down to the dance and my mom comes and
Speaker 7: gets me, ins hold of me, and they're dancing, and
Speaker 7: halfway through, my sister comes and gets me and takes
Speaker 7: me on the dance floor and puts it with my
Speaker 7: nephe you and I'm dancing with my son. My mind
Speaker 7: literally when this was happening, when I saw this before
Speaker 7: it happened. He showed me it before it happened, and
Speaker 7: I'm in this Dan It's like, I can't.
Speaker 2: Believe this is happening to me.
Speaker 7: And then the next day I go to my sister
Speaker 7: and I'm like, I have to tell you something. I
Speaker 7: saw this before it happened, and she goes, I have
Speaker 7: to tell you something. I didn't want to do this.
Speaker 7: I was afraid the girls would get mad at me
Speaker 7: or people would think we were showbudding. But Billy came
Speaker 7: to me and said, we have to do this, and
Speaker 7: we told nobody.
Speaker 6: I was like, your care to blame this.
Speaker 2: I've got tears in my eyes.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 2: People often say it's just my imagination. That's how they communicate.
Speaker 2: I wish there was another word from imagination, because imagination
Speaker 2: is like you're making it up, but you're not. When
Speaker 2: you take a medium course, that's what you use. If
Speaker 2: you can visualize, and you can hear, and you can feel,
Speaker 2: they use all of those senses with us. So please
Speaker 2: everyone listening, if no more say it's just my imagination,
Speaker 2: that is their number one mode of communication. And I
Speaker 2: have never heard it like you have explained, Alison, and
Speaker 2: I love him paddling up, you know, to get into
Speaker 2: that practice because he's like, okay, mom's doing it, all right,
Speaker 2: let's do it. And some people do it through journaling
Speaker 2: and writing. But to just talk to him and visualize that,
Speaker 2: it's beautiful.
Speaker 3: And what a.
Speaker 2: Story from the wedding you give me goosebumps? What else
Speaker 2: would you like to share?
Speaker 6: Well, I just want everybody to know anybody can do it.
Speaker 6: You just have to learn.
Speaker 7: Like we were talking about a new communication with your child,
Speaker 7: that's all it is. It's a new language. It's not
Speaker 7: the physical eye anymore. It is through your heart. That's
Speaker 7: what I would tell you. Oh my gosh, you guys
Speaker 7: know this. When you see these signs, it's not just
Speaker 7: a butterfly that's coming and hovering by you. All of
Speaker 7: a sudden, you get the chills and your heart lights
Speaker 7: up and you're like, they're with me guidance system, right,
Speaker 7: that helps you, you know when it's like oh, and
Speaker 7: that's how you.
Speaker 2: Know it's time for our next break and we'll be
Speaker 2: back with a few more words from Allison. You'll hear
Speaker 2: from Nancy and Anne Marie. You're listening to Shades of
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
Speaker 2: Let's continue with a shining light parent Alison, you.
Speaker 7: Know, I don't know another love like this. I'll be honest.
Speaker 7: I love my family, my kids, but this love I
Speaker 7: think it's maybe a soul connection. I think that's what
Speaker 7: it is. My son is bringing me to connect with
Speaker 7: my soul and him. And this is what I would
Speaker 7: say two to these parents. My mission was to find Davy,
Speaker 7: but eight years later, he's right here. He's right here
Speaker 7: with me. Is my mission is to connect to my
Speaker 7: soul and then be a late for him to shine
Speaker 7: through and meet a Shane through as well, and then
Speaker 7: I can be joyful. I can live a life where
Speaker 7: I can laugh, enjoy and be kind and loving to others.
Speaker 7: I didn't want to be the face of grief. I
Speaker 7: didn't want people to look at me and cry. I
Speaker 7: wanted them to look at me and see hope.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Alison, Anne Marie over.
Speaker 9: To you right. I'm Anne Marie and I'm in Australia.
Speaker 9: My son Harry transitioned to spirit in October twenty twenty.
Speaker 9: I'm a professional writer and editor and one thing that
Speaker 9: was a huge benefit out of being involved in this
Speaker 9: book is through reading transcript or watching the actual YouTube
Speaker 9: interviews with these one hundred and thirty parents, there is
Speaker 9: a real sense of how normal it is to connect
Speaker 9: with our loved ones on the other side. So that
Speaker 9: normalizing of afterlife connection is a real passion for me,
Speaker 9: and said, it's so helpful to anybody who's interested in
Speaker 9: that question of what next. You know, what happens after
Speaker 9: and there is so much evidence that it is really
Speaker 9: difficult to discount. And I guess none of us have
Speaker 9: a goal to prove anything, like We're all involved in
Speaker 9: this project because we have a sense of wanting to
Speaker 9: help other parents and other people who are grieving, just
Speaker 9: to know that their loved one is okay and to
Speaker 9: understand the many ways that they might be trying to communicate.
Speaker 9: So the ways that children communicate in the case of
Speaker 9: those on the other side who are connected with the
Speaker 9: one hundred and thirty parents, it's quite diverse.
Speaker 3: But we soon.
Speaker 9: Realize when we were looking through what we called the
Speaker 9: gold out of the transcripts, we looked at the most
Speaker 9: impactful I guess quotes or stories, and when we're looking
Speaker 9: at this que massive material, it was really clear that
Speaker 9: there were several themes. It wasn't one hundred and thirty
Speaker 9: different ways that kids connect. It was maybe age or nine,
Speaker 9: with a few sort of random ones. I know, for me,
Speaker 9: speaking personally, Harry's strongest mode of connection is through dreams,
Speaker 9: and that also includes visitations and what I like to
Speaker 9: call encounters, and that sense of lucidity and emotional connection
Speaker 9: is incredibly powerful, and honestly, it really is what sustains
Speaker 9: me that regular contact with him, knowing that it never
Speaker 9: goes for more than four or six weeks without me
Speaker 9: hearing from him, and I might miss signs like it
Speaker 9: probably took me a long time before I even saw
Speaker 9: my first sign, but since then they do happen occasionally,
Speaker 9: but I can always rely on the dreams, which can
Speaker 9: be quite instructional. Harry was a very sort of well
Speaker 9: grounded person, very much interested in how things work and
Speaker 9: the mechanics of objects, and often he will come through
Speaker 9: that way as well, particularly in the early days, where
Speaker 9: he would come through sort of saying this is what happens. Afterwards,
Speaker 9: this happens, and then this happens, and it's so straightforward
Speaker 9: and almost quite dry and instructional. I feel like there
Speaker 9: is such abundant evidence for connection across the bail. And
Speaker 9: there's one little story I'd love to share, and I
Speaker 9: was reminded of it the other day. There's a beautiful
Speaker 9: medium who's very supportive of for being parents here and
Speaker 9: she does Sign of the Week. I had never taken
Speaker 9: part in that because I always had this fear that
Speaker 9: I would not get a sign, and what did that
Speaker 9: mean if Harry wasn't responding. Because I don't like the
Speaker 9: idea that you can just click your fingers and they're
Speaker 9: going to like a circus at because I do believe
Speaker 9: they're busy and they've got purpose and things to do.
Speaker 9: But in this case, I thought, I've never done it,
Speaker 9: maybe I'll give it a go. And the sign of
Speaker 9: the week was the rhino rhinoceros, quite an unusual thing.
Speaker 9: So I went about my week, didn't even think about it.
Speaker 9: And about five days past and I was walking a
Speaker 9: route around my town and we got to this cafe
Speaker 9: that I was very familiar with, and we were just
Speaker 9: deep in conversation and I looked up and there above
Speaker 9: me was a rhino on the back of their sign.
Speaker 3: And I said to him, oh.
Speaker 7: My god, Harry, it's a rhino.
Speaker 9: And Joe, my partner, had no idea that what I
Speaker 9: was talking about. I hadn't even mentioned Sign of the Week.
Speaker 9: And then he turns around and says, look what I'm
Speaker 9: wearing on the bank of his T shirt well a rhino.
Speaker 2: I feel like that.
Speaker 9: Is like a micro miracle. So I love that. And often,
Speaker 9: as others have said, when we need that boost, or
Speaker 9: when we might be feeling really down, it is so
Speaker 9: wonderful to look back over these experiences and be reminded.
Speaker 9: This book is another opportunity to do that, to really
Speaker 9: feel that sense of connection and the love that is
Speaker 9: so evident, because despite it being about grief, it's a
Speaker 9: really positive and perpetual book. It is about the fact
Speaker 9: that love never dies, so how can it not be
Speaker 9: a beautiful book to read. There is also that sense
Speaker 9: that readers get is that we're not alone like we
Speaker 9: might feel. We can't share these things in our normal life,
Speaker 9: but even reading these stories, we can feel connected to
Speaker 9: all these other parents because it's not just happening to
Speaker 9: one person or one parent. It's universal and it's common emory.
Speaker 2: I'd like to ask you about dreams. There's people listening
Speaker 2: right now, jealous as I feel it myself. This woman's
Speaker 2: getting all these dreams. How do you know it's a
Speaker 2: dream visitation versus just a regular dream.
Speaker 3: It is very.
Speaker 9: Common, I know, to feel to a large degree quite
Speaker 9: envious and upset because your child was an individual when
Speaker 9: they were here in life, and they're an individual still.
Speaker 9: Dreams may not be their strengths, is what I believe.
Speaker 9: They all at their strengths. Some kids might be fantastic
Speaker 9: at bringing signs or fiddling with electronics. I feel that
Speaker 9: Harry's Villetai's dreams and my first dream occurred at six
Speaker 9: weeks afterwards, and it was one of maybe six visitations,
Speaker 9: and the visitation characteristic my mind. And obviously I've read
Speaker 9: a lot and listened to a lot of people this topic,
Speaker 9: but for me, it's that sense of strong emotional connection.
Speaker 9: It is that hyper realism, almost like an outer body experience,
Speaker 9: that sharp focus. Everything feels very real and unlike in
Speaker 9: a dream where your mind is potentially processing the events
Speaker 9: of the day or the week or whatever subconscious thoughts
Speaker 9: or fears. Even in a visitation, it has a very
Speaker 9: strong and clear narrative thread that been sometimes very short
Speaker 9: five seconds through to what seems like the entire night.
Speaker 9: But when I wake up, I can remember their highlights.
Speaker 9: But they're powerful in a way that, like a near
Speaker 9: death experience, you might remember it for years. In my case,
Speaker 9: her has been on the other side for four years,
Speaker 9: so he's now twenty two, and he has shown himself
Speaker 9: to me in visitations at what I call current age
Speaker 9: as well, which is slightly older, like slightly more filled out.
Speaker 9: So for me visitations there is no doubting that they
Speaker 9: are vastly different from a nonsensical dream.
Speaker 3: Thank you so.
Speaker 8: Much, friends, we have one more person to hear from
Speaker 8: on Nancy Hanah. I currently live in Gary, Indiana, and
Speaker 8: lives for most of my adult life near Chicago. I
Speaker 8: have four beautiful children and two girls and two boys,
Speaker 8: and both of my sons are in spirit. My oldest
Speaker 8: son Will passed in twenty sixteen of an accidental overdoes
Speaker 8: after about ten years of a struggle that we were
Speaker 8: all part of. And then two years later my youngest son,
Speaker 8: Joey passed in a head on collision. He passed instantly.
Speaker 8: It happened to be on the day of in sister's wedding,
Speaker 8: so that was quite a day and that was really
Speaker 8: what propelled by us to go on a search to
Speaker 8: find them, because we could not believe that they could
Speaker 8: truly be gone at that point. So, having been a
Speaker 8: spiritual person but not really had any kind of concrete
Speaker 8: sense of what happened. It just launched myself and my
Speaker 8: daughters into that journey of reading and searching and researching,
Speaker 8: and we found them. We did find them.
Speaker 2: What did you find to first that you said, hey,
Speaker 2: there's something here.
Speaker 6: The very first sign that we had, even before we
Speaker 6: knew what signs were happened on the day of Joey's passing,
Speaker 6: my youngest son, his sister's wedding, and we didn't know
Speaker 6: about his passing until after things had gotten going with.
Speaker 6: The wedding was an outdoor wedding, people were seated, We
Speaker 6: knew that he was laid. People were pretty annoyed. We
Speaker 6: didn't know what had happened, but we knew something had
Speaker 6: to have gone wrong. And we got the call while
Speaker 6: things were very much underway and decided to go ahead
Speaker 6: and have the ceremony. Then we would tell the rest
Speaker 6: of the.
Speaker 8: Family and just to go from there. So this is
Speaker 8: after the ceremony, after the vows, and my middle daughter was.
Speaker 6: Watching my now step grandson, who was four at the time,
Speaker 6: inside a building waiting while pictures were being taken, and
Speaker 6: they were just kind of passing the time, and my
Speaker 6: grandson said to my daughter, Maggie, we need to go
Speaker 6: from my friend, and Meggie asked him, well, what trend
Speaker 6: is this, thinking it was one of the children in
Speaker 6: the wedding party end he said, well, I don't know
Speaker 6: his name, and he didn't really have a face, but
Speaker 6: he had rainbow hair. And Maggie said, oh, well, that's interesting,
Speaker 6: and she didn't really think any more about it, and
Speaker 6: she didn't know at that time that Joean had passed.
Speaker 8: And so later on that evening, after the whole event
Speaker 8: was really turned into a wake for Joey and it
Speaker 8: was an incredibly powerful, powerful day, which also included a
Speaker 8: rainbow in the afternoon that you could practically touch. Maybe
Speaker 8: told us that, and that was our first clue that
Speaker 8: something else was going on. And I immediately felt that
Speaker 8: there's no way that my boys could be gone.
Speaker 6: We were going to find them, and that launched us,
Speaker 6: and many many rainbows later, we found them.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm sure you can agree. These ladies, their children
Speaker 2: and their stories are all very special. There's more words
Speaker 2: from Nancy when we come back. You're listening to Shades
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain
Speaker 2: and we're here with the authors of the new book
Speaker 2: Shining Light Parents Speak. Let's continue with Nancy's story.
Speaker 6: We have several languages that we've figured out my boys
Speaker 6: and it was a little bit lectuades for a long
Speaker 6: time guessing game, but kind of giving that reinforcement encouraged more.
Speaker 6: One big one is there great with electronics and this
Speaker 6: particular light that I have in my kitchen, which early
Speaker 6: after Joey's passing went absolutely bananas and I thought, oh,
Speaker 6: well it's going out, and it's one of those sort
Speaker 6: of solid state you don't change the ball, but that well,
Speaker 6: it's dying. So it did this whole big thing and
Speaker 6: then it stopped, and that didn't happen for a while,
Speaker 6: and then it happened again, and it happened a few
Speaker 6: more times, and I had the good fortune of having
Speaker 6: some very validating readings from mediums and they let us
Speaker 6: know that it was and since then, they've gotten very
Speaker 6: very good at just kind of giving me a little hello.
Speaker 6: And that happens almost, if not every day, maybe every
Speaker 6: other day. Every few days. I'll turn it on and
Speaker 6: I'll get a little fun we're here kind of thing,
Speaker 6: and I'll say, the boys are here, and I'll.
Speaker 2: Know that they're there.
Speaker 6: I also can kind of sense them. I kind of
Speaker 6: feel their presence.
Speaker 8: I figured out that it's Joey on my forehead and
Speaker 8: Will on the top of my head. And again it
Speaker 8: was a lot of going back and forth and through
Speaker 8: some readings that validated that as well. So those are
Speaker 8: the two really consistent ones. And then I've had all
Speaker 8: manner of the really big hits. You one story that
Speaker 8: I just love, and it's.
Speaker 6: My youngest son, Joey. I actually heard him in my thoughts.
Speaker 6: It wasn't my words. If I was taking a walk,
Speaker 6: I walked in the dunes. I lived near Raake, Michigan,
Speaker 6: and not long after his passing, in my mind, I
Speaker 6: was racing and I kind of stopped myself midwalk and said,
Speaker 6: you know, I am just going to calm myself down
Speaker 6: and I'm not going to think of anything. I'm just
Speaker 6: going to walk and Right after I could make that commitment,
Speaker 6: I heard this voice in my head that said, let's
Speaker 6: go look for a little magic, okay, And so I
Speaker 6: just kind of calmly walked out to the lake and
Speaker 6: the beach was perfectly flat, and I walked up to
Speaker 6: this little piece of driftwood and I looked down and
Speaker 6: it was the perfect shape and head of a dolphin.
Speaker 6: I mean the face, both sides, the whole thing. It
Speaker 6: was clear's day, little dolphin. Joey love dolphins. Is that
Speaker 6: thank you, thank you, thank you?
Speaker 11: Home put it on the little altar, you know, my
Speaker 11: little boy table, And I've been thinking about it, and
Speaker 11: then it hit me that Joey's friends, after he passed
Speaker 11: in his honor, adopted an animal.
Speaker 6: At the zoo, which you can do kind of support
Speaker 6: this animal, and they chose a dolphin. You can guess
Speaker 6: what the name of that dolphin was.
Speaker 3: Magic.
Speaker 6: I had found a little magic.
Speaker 8: It was spot on, and it was very jan in
Speaker 8: terms of his sense of humor and everything.
Speaker 6: So that was a big woman. And that little dolphin
Speaker 6: still sits by the light that goes often on, very clever.
Speaker 2: Do you keep a journal or any of those?
Speaker 6: Oooh, I do I have it right here, my help
Speaker 6: insurance steal. This is the third one. I write down
Speaker 6: pretty much every day, all the signs, and always with
Speaker 6: gratitude to them and acknowledging them, even if I'm not
Speaker 6: completely sure. I think that's important because that vibrational energy
Speaker 6: that you're just you're building. And I think the biggest
Speaker 6: tool for anybody is to.
Speaker 8: Have an open heart and open mind on this journey,
Speaker 8: because that is really to healing.
Speaker 3: I'd like to share two things, and then maybe everyone
Speaker 3: just wants to go around and quick wrap a final thought,
Speaker 3: but Allison said anyone can do it. And one of
Speaker 3: the many strengths of this book is these parents are
Speaker 3: sharing with you what work for them, because different ways
Speaker 3: work for different people. But one of the themes that
Speaker 3: emerged is that it's so important to find your tribe,
Speaker 3: you know, find your kindred spirits, and they may not
Speaker 3: be where you think they are. And this can be
Speaker 3: true for anyone that they may find that their closest people,
Speaker 3: their soulmates, aren't their family. Another really important point that
Speaker 3: came for these parents was when I asked question number six,
Speaker 3: the toughest one, what are your beliefs about their being
Speaker 3: a meaning? And aming behind something that seemingly senseless and
Speaker 3: tragic as a child's passing. So there was this five
Speaker 3: year old girl and she was precocious. She was telling
Speaker 3: her mom about the afterlife and how life is set up,
Speaker 3: and she had drawn three things and the mom said, well,
Speaker 3: what's this first one? And she said, this is where
Speaker 3: we go before we come to earth to choose our parents.
Speaker 3: And the mom got, we've never talked about that with you.
Speaker 3: How would you get that idea? What's the second thing?
Speaker 3: This is where you go to decide where you're going
Speaker 3: to live when you come to earth. What's the third?
Speaker 3: This is the book of life. You only get to
Speaker 3: read this after you leave earth. And the mom's just dumbfounded.
Speaker 3: So for a couple of years she was learning from
Speaker 3: her daughter, her daughters like a spiritual prodigy. Well, as
Speaker 3: often happens, as the school year's advanced, the kids forget,
Speaker 3: they shut down, they forget the big picture of life.
Speaker 3: And it's understandable now. The little girl's twelve years old
Speaker 3: and she said, mom, what do you think death is about?
Speaker 3: Do you think there's life after death? And the mom said, honey,
Speaker 3: why are you asking this. You're the one that taught
Speaker 3: me seven years ago, and besides, you're a little kid,
Speaker 3: you know you don't have to worry about this. A
Speaker 3: week later, the little girl fell over. She had a
Speaker 3: fatal cerebral aneurysm. And it's like, why a week before
Speaker 3: that happened that she's starting to ask about a similar
Speaker 3: story again. A five year old girl had a number
Speaker 3: of angels. She had names for him. They were just
Speaker 3: as real to her as other humans in her life.
Speaker 3: Same thing. As she got older, she didn't talk about
Speaker 3: him as much, and the mom didn't know if she
Speaker 3: just forgot about him or what. So now the daughter
Speaker 3: is thirty four years old and she came to stay
Speaker 3: the night with her mom and she said, Mom, you
Speaker 3: know those angels I see when I was a little girl.
Speaker 3: She said, they've come back. And night she passed on
Speaker 3: in her sleep undiagnosed condition. You know, you hear one okay,
Speaker 3: here too, and then you hear it does and you're like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, there really is a time and meeting
Speaker 3: it behind that tough as it may be for humans
Speaker 3: to understand. And hopefully, I guess people hope that this
Speaker 3: is not a random, cruel, chaotic journey. God has not
Speaker 3: a sleep the wheel.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Mark. All right, let's hear some
Speaker 2: closing words.
Speaker 3: Dolores.
Speaker 2: Let's start with you.
Speaker 6: I saw a therapist for about a year and a half,
Speaker 6: a Greek therapist who was amazing after Eric changed worlds.
Speaker 6: She and I didn't have spiritual discussions, you know, she
Speaker 6: was my therapist, but she did say at one point,
Speaker 6: you're now going to have another relationship, a different relationship
Speaker 6: with Eric. And at the time I was like, what,
Speaker 6: I didn't get it at all, and he It's been
Speaker 6: seven and a half years, and boy, do I get it.
Speaker 6: The relationship continues. They are there with us, as you've
Speaker 6: said a million times on your show, and we all
Speaker 6: know the body is not the whole person. There's so
Speaker 6: much more. The body will die, but not the spirit,
Speaker 6: the soul of the person, and they're here and just
Speaker 6: remembering the relationship continues. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Let's go over to Anne Marie.
Speaker 12: My final message would be that the book is like
Speaker 12: a handbook for hearing. These parents have reached a point
Speaker 12: where we know in our hearts and with a certainty
Speaker 12: that our children are still alive, and they're showing us
Speaker 12: in multiple ways. So I just echo what everyone else
Speaker 12: has said in terms of how universally helpful this book is.
Speaker 12: Regardless of the type of brief you might have.
Speaker 9: Just to know that there are people who have these
Speaker 9: experiences in itself is nourishing and helpful.
Speaker 6: Nancy, I would like to maybe just read one little
Speaker 6: quote from the book, and this is Spike. Laurie her
Speaker 6: son is Garrett. Here's what she says, and she has
Speaker 6: a little bit of mediumistic ability, as do many Garrets.
Speaker 6: As it turns out, after their children have passed, they
Speaker 6: discovered this. So this is Laurie my son Garrett said, Mom,
Speaker 6: don't keep going over and over how I passed like
Speaker 6: a hamster in a wheel turning three hundred tons. I
Speaker 6: didn't pass on three hundred times. It's not important to me.
Speaker 6: I want to be remembered for how we laughed and
Speaker 6: how I made you laugh, not how I died. It's
Speaker 6: easy to get stuck in the sadness. They want us
Speaker 6: to think of happy moments. Allison, I would say that
Speaker 6: you're not alone.
Speaker 7: Not only does this book show you there are all
Speaker 7: these parents out there that care so deeply. They're affiliate leaders,
Speaker 7: they're carrying listeners. But the organization helping parents heal is
Speaker 7: such a beautiful organ I think what resonated so much
Speaker 7: with me was when they said shining light parent. That's
Speaker 7: what I want to be. I don't want to be
Speaker 7: a grieving parent. I want my child to shine through me,
Speaker 7: make me a better person, and I can be joyful
Speaker 7: and not feel guilty about being joyful. It's actually I'm
Speaker 7: making him proud. And I love doing acts of kindness
Speaker 7: with them. I love doing fun stuff with them. So
Speaker 7: you can do those things still with your child and
Speaker 7: you're not alone. It's a great organization, So I hope
Speaker 7: everybody will look into the book and the organization.
Speaker 2: Doctor Mark, what say you as we close out our
Speaker 2: episode today.
Speaker 3: I say, my heart is full. This was a wonderful
Speaker 3: time here. I would just share the conference. Eleven hundred people,
Speaker 3: that's a lot. And I heard stories of several people
Speaker 3: who are not associated with the conference were walking down
Speaker 3: the hall and they said to someone in the conference, Wow,
Speaker 3: it looks like you guys having a great time. I
Speaker 3: like to be part of this group. What's this about?
Speaker 3: And President know you would you know all brief parents,
Speaker 3: but it just illustrates that you can go through life
Speaker 3: no matter what your challenge is. You can go through
Speaker 3: life and deal with that but still have It's not
Speaker 3: an either or, it's an ant. In this case, Yes,
Speaker 3: their children past and we choose to be happy and
Speaker 3: peaceful and bright in the world. So that's the biggest
Speaker 3: saying I can lead.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much to doctor Mark Pittstick, to Nancy,
Speaker 2: to Alison, Anne, Marie and Dolores. These five compiled the
Speaker 2: book Shining Light Parents Speak wisdom and inspiration from Helping
Speaker 2: Parents Heal Leaders. I wholeheartedly recommend you check out the
Speaker 2: website helpingparentshal dot org. There's all kinds of places to
Speaker 2: visit within that site, including their YouTube channel, lots of
Speaker 2: great resources. Also remember to come visit me at weedo'tde
Speaker 2: dot com. We always have great courses, keep your mind busy,
Speaker 2: keep you spiritually charged, knowing that there's a bigger picture.
Speaker 2: I offer our free Sunday gathering with medium demonstration included,
Speaker 2: and there's much more. Just come over we Don't Die
Speaker 2: dot com. I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you so much for
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