1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,559 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: supernatural and the unexplained. Get ready now for Shades of 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of Premier Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi. 11 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 2: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been 12 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 13 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: On each episode, we'll discuss the reason we now know 14 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 2: that our loved ones have survived physical debt, and so 15 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 2: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife on our 16 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: time together today, I want to introduce you to some 17 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: amazing people. Doctor Mark Pitstick you'll remember from episode one 18 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 2: sixty eight, and he is joined by four ladies. They've 19 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: come together with a brand new powerful book called Shining Light. 20 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: Parents Speak Wisdom, and inspiration from Helping Parents Heal leaders 21 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: and as you may know, Helpingparentsheal dot Org is my 22 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: favorite organization not only helping parents through grief but sharing 23 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: the reality of the afterlife. And they're close to twenty 24 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: thousand global members. So let's jump right in with doctor 25 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: Mark Pitstick. 26 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 3: What I want to share during this time is the 27 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: huge benefits for all people from this book. I'm not 28 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 3: just trying to sell it no matter what kind of 29 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 3: loss or challenge you face. So this is not just 30 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 3: for parents with a child who's passed. And here's why 31 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: I say that. We interviewed one hundred and thirty parents 32 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: and all of them had one or more children who 33 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 3: transitioned from Earth. One of them had five, all five 34 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 3: of our kids. Last week I was working with the 35 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 3: mob on a Helping Parents Heal webinar. Her son, her husband, 36 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 3: and her dog all passed the same time from carbon 37 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 3: monoxide poisoning. And she was sad. You could tell she'd 38 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 3: been to a lot. Her face is still a little contorted, 39 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 3: but she is dead and focused on all right. I 40 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: went through this. Where's the blessings? What are the silver linings? 41 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 3: How can I help other people? How can I make 42 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 3: more sense. How can I honor my loved ones who passed? 43 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 3: And I just stand in all of this, And that's 44 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: why we call them shining like parents. They're just so amazing. 45 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 3: So if they can get to the dark Knight the 46 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 3: soul and heal enough to get to that point, find 47 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 3: the meaning, find the blessing, share them with others, so 48 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: can you. That's speaking to everyone. In October twenty twenty three, 49 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 3: we started interviewing five at a time, these parents, and 50 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 3: on the third set of interviews Alison who's with us 51 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 3: now and as David, we're talking about their amazing sun 52 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 3: and deity and they said, he comes through so loud 53 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 3: and clear, there's no missing. Well, David was talking about 54 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 3: he learned it so important for him to get out 55 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 3: of the way and not have preconceived expectations about how 56 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: they're going to come through, but be open to that. 57 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 3: Well just then, from the upper right, like from the ceiling, 58 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: it was like this voice shot down to this part 59 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 3: of my head and said, Mark, you guys need to 60 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 3: write a book. Call it this title. It'll help help 61 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 3: a lot of people. And I said, I think I 62 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 3: just heard from Daty and you're right. He does come 63 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 3: through loud and clear, and it's on video. You can 64 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: watch all of these videos that're at Helpingparents Heeal dot org, 65 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 3: Slash YouTube videos, slash affiliate leader interviews, and so I 66 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 3: actually looked up at the ceiling where that came in. 67 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 3: I touched my head and I was speechless for a while. 68 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 3: I watched it recently and I said things like, wow, 69 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 3: oh my god, Wow. I've given a lot of interviews 70 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 3: and posts radio shows, but I was just goys back there. 71 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 3: It took me a while. So that's how it got started, 72 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 3: and they can share more about that. But it launched 73 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: a series of events that I'm sure are going to 74 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: continue and literally, and I'm not exaggerating, as the power has, 75 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: the hope, the inspiration to help all people and our planet. 76 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 3: This summer, there were eleven hundred parents who came to 77 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 3: the Helping Parents Heal conference in Phoenix. So it was 78 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 3: the first day of the conference and Dolores and Nancy 79 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 3: and I were talking about four hundred parents, maybe five hundred, 80 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 3: and we were talking about the book, and I had 81 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 3: discussed one of the lessons that we learned was that 82 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: many silver lyings, many blessings resulted from what seemed to 83 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 3: be a senseless tragedy, And I said that could it 84 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: be that a meta blessing of all these children and 85 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 3: all this game together, because some of these parents become activists, 86 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 3: They started foundations, they right wrongs, they help in all 87 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: sorts of ways. I said, could it be that all 88 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: of this is going to help reach a tipping point 89 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 3: for helping all people in our world. Well, just as 90 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 3: I said that, I glanced up the ceiling and thousands 91 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: of smiling faces. Children, Some were babies, some were little kids, 92 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 3: some were teenagers, some were adult children. And this is 93 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 3: a thirty foot high chraton ground, a beautiful place, and 94 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 3: they were around the ceiling, but then up into the 95 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 3: sky and even into the clouds. So thousands, the word 96 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 3: legions just came in and it looked like they were 97 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 3: seated in stadium seating. And myance Athy, who's an evidential medium, 98 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 3: said when she trained with Mavis Pattilla, she said, yeah, 99 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 3: that's a common report that when there are a lot 100 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 3: of spirits, you know people in the next round, they 101 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 3: are seated in tears. Anyway, all this happened in a 102 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 3: fraction a second. I looked up and then I look 103 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 3: back down and continue my presentation. A lot of people 104 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 3: came up with questions and share stories, and this one 105 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 3: mom said, I'd like to share with you. So we 106 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 3: went out in the hall and such an incredible story 107 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 3: and so inspiring for everyone. Her only child, he was eighteen, 108 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: and they were dear, dear friend. She's a single parent, 109 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 3: passed on on suddenly and unexpectedly, and she just did 110 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 3: not want to continue living on earth, so she decided 111 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 3: to pass on by suicide. So she was literally sitting 112 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 3: in the corner of her room on the floor at 113 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 3: the bottle dock and one to have bottle pills and 114 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 3: the other as getting ready to start slogging them down 115 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: when her son's phone rang and she said, well, I 116 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,559 Speaker 3: should see who's calling him, and that was his best 117 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: friend who had flown in to surprise his best friend. 118 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 3: And he didn't know because this mom was so destroyed, 119 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 3: she hadn't even handled anything after her son passed, didn't 120 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 3: tell his friends and so on. Well, she said, I'm 121 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 3: so sorry to tell you, but my son passed two 122 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 3: days ago. So he started crying and she said, come 123 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: on over, you know, let's talk. So they spent the 124 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 3: afternoon talking, crying, in, eventually laughing, telling stories about this 125 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: delightful young man who was her son and this guy's friend. Well, 126 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 3: as he started leaving, she said, I just want to 127 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: tell you something. You saved my life because when you called, 128 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 3: I was getting ready to pass on by suicide. Well, 129 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 3: the next day she knew that she had to do something. 130 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 3: She had to take action or she would just stand 131 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: the adult drums and depression. So she decided to volunteer 132 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 3: for at rescue center. So she goes down there and 133 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: one of the first people that came in was a 134 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 3: young lady who was disheveled obviously men crying, depressed, and 135 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 3: she said, can I see your most friendly dog? So 136 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 3: this mom, who some passed I'll call Judy, brought the 137 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 3: dog out. She said. The young lady hugged this dog 138 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 3: and cried over for half an hour. So, you know, 139 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 3: having just come through what she came through, Judy knew 140 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 3: that this young lady was really suffering. So they talked 141 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 3: at length, and the young lady said, yes, I'll take 142 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 3: the dog, and I want to tell you that you 143 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 3: just saved my lives because this morning I decided this 144 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 3: was going to be my last day on earth, and 145 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 3: I just wanted to get some love and give some 146 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 3: love to the pet before I left. And when I 147 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 3: heard that story, I thought, oh my god, that's it, 148 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 3: in a nutshell, that single thing that exemplifies so beautifully 149 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 3: the power of each one of us. We follow our hearts, 150 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 3: we reach down deep, you know, we don't give up 151 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 3: what we can achieve. Now two weeks later, I'm giving 152 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 3: a Helping Parents he Old webinar again about the book 153 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 3: Shining Light Parents Speak, and I shared for the first 154 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 3: time since that vision with the ceiling, what happened as 155 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 3: I did Elizabeth Boy's son, as you know, Sandrews, the 156 00:09:55,480 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 3: president co founder of Helping Parents Heal, excitedly interjected and 157 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: said this and this phrase blows me away. She wrote. 158 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 3: The phrase that kept resonating within me after my son 159 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 3: Morgan transition was our connection with the children on the 160 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 3: other side will ultimately save the world. Ah. So, as 161 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 3: you can imagine, after all those things, I think started 162 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 3: a lot by this book project. So wrapping up, I 163 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 3: just want to share several takeaways again for all people, 164 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 3: no matter what your challenges are, because that's part of 165 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 3: the human experience, you know, we all go through it. 166 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 3: First of all, as I mentioned, as demonstrated by Judy, 167 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 3: that we can inspire, empower and comfort others, and even 168 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: if we just helped one person, that's a big deal. Secondly, 169 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 3: that deep pain and suffering can birth magnificent blessings. It 170 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 3: can wake us up, it can shake us up, it 171 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 3: can make us ask those important questions, like, I wan, 172 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 3: my heir is really a godes, So why is there 173 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 3: so much sufferings on One of the buzzwords of helping 174 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 3: parents here is when a child passes, and I would 175 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 3: say when any other big challenge occurs. It can make 176 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 3: you better or better, and ultimately it's a choice. The 177 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 3: next takeaway is stay alert for glimpses of the greater reality. 178 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 3: Our brain in five senses detect much less than one 179 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 3: percent of reality. But sometimes when we're in a personal 180 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 3: high energy state, or we're around a lot of highergy 181 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 3: people like the conference, will get clear experiences. You know, 182 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 3: I'm not a medium or a hangar psychic, but I 183 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 3: saw those kids at the ceiling, and I detect the 184 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 3: davy telling me to write this book or telling us. 185 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 3: So I say, stay alert for glimpses that you maybe 186 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 3: usually wouldn't pick up. Next, remember that you're not alone 187 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: in this question. Your angels, your guys, master teachers in 188 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 3: the light have greater plans for you than you can imagine. 189 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 3: And it's real simple. I mean, you don't have to 190 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: change everything yourself. Just do what you feel called to 191 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 3: do as well as you can and that's enough. And 192 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 3: that's the last point, which is each one of us 193 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 3: play a vital role in the fulfillment of that divine plan. 194 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 3: We can reach a tipping point much more with Cleveland, 195 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 3: you think. 196 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 2: As we get into this episode, you're going to meet 197 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: four mothers, Dolores, Nancy, Alison, and Anne Marie. Each will 198 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 2: tell their stories of their children in the afterlife, the 199 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 2: signs they've received from them, and also the roles they 200 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 2: played putting this book together, and key takeaways that they 201 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: think are important for each and every human being, whether 202 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,599 Speaker 2: you're a parent or not. So let's head into the 203 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: first break and we'll be back with the first mom. 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Next, 223 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: let's meet Dolores. 224 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Sandra, so amazing to be here. 225 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 6: I live in San Gabriel, California, right outside of Los Angeles. 226 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 6: I'm a retired elementary school teacher and my son Eric, 227 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 6: after he passed his spirit back in twenty seventeen, I 228 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 6: became an author of two books that chronicle my whole journey, 229 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 6: this whole journey with Eric, with this grief journey, and 230 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 6: also after having found Helping Parents Heal such an amazing 231 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 6: organization and I'm just so glad to be part of 232 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 6: them and part of this book project. We have been 233 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 6: able to hear and have validated our feelings through these 234 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 6: amazing stories through these very courageous one hundred and thirty 235 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 6: parents who are also affiliate leaders and caring listeners for 236 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 6: Helping Parents Heal, and they have been able to very 237 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 6: openly share how everything happened, to of course tell about 238 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 6: their wonderful children, share the manner of their transition, and 239 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 6: also such obviously painful stories to read and go on 240 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 6: with the connections that they have still that they have 241 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 6: continued to have, and the lessons that they've learned, what's 242 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 6: come from this Even when they thought there was no 243 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 6: hope and even when they thought how could there be anything? 244 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 6: I went ahead and when Anne, Marie and Alison and 245 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 6: Nancy and I were organizing putting this all together, going 246 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 6: through all the transcripts of the interviews and finally coming 247 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 6: to those chapters that we agreed on, we kind of 248 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 6: all said, which one do you want to do? I 249 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 6: went ahead and took sensing your child's presence. All that 250 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 6: the parents answered in response to communications that they've had 251 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 6: divided into little segments like whether it was through electronics 252 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 6: or through songs on the radio, or through feeling their 253 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 6: presence or possibly even seeing them or hearing them, or 254 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 6: messages through medium or through even other. 255 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: People to hear. 256 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 6: Over and over all the various ways that our children 257 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 6: have reached out, and that these parents, which include Amri 258 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 6: and Nancy and Allison and I, we are in it too, 259 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 6: that we chose to listen. It's so easy to discount, 260 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 6: to assume maybe it's just some kind of coincidence, you 261 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 6: know that word that we don't really use anymore, because 262 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 6: we know that there is something there. So it's just 263 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 6: been so beautiful and such an honor to be involved. 264 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 6: So that's the chapter that I did. And these other 265 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 6: ladies here, Yeah, they've done quite a bit. If I 266 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 6: can ask you, Dolores, if you could share a story 267 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 6: maybe from your own life, that you know in your 268 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 6: heart that we go on, yes, I'd be happy to boy. 269 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 6: There really are so many which I've kept in a journal, 270 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 6: so they're all there even when I go back and 271 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 6: read them I sometimes I will have forgotten, so they go, 272 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 6: oh my gosh, and then I get all excited all 273 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 6: over again. But right after Eric passed away, I had 274 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 6: of course been in deep grief, crying calling out to him. 275 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 6: I knew he was around. I didn't doubt that that 276 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 6: was something I already believed. I was pretty sure he 277 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 6: could hear me, and I would just tell him how 278 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 6: much I love him, what happened, and I really need 279 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 6: a hug from you. So that went on for you know, 280 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 6: many days. But the eight ninth tenth day, I went 281 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 6: to the store and when I walked in, you know, 282 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 6: the tables out in front with some people who want 283 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 6: you to make a donation. And I did recognize it 284 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 6: was a very good caused having been a school teacher 285 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 6: a drug abuse resistant education program called the DARE program, 286 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 6: and I thought, yes, I will make a donation. I 287 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 6: was happy to do. So I went in, got my 288 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 6: couple of groceres, came out. There were two young people. 289 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 6: I went up to the young man who was the 290 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 6: same height as my son Eric, on the same age, 291 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 6: about to the same build. He was very friendly, you know, 292 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 6: it was nice and we chatted for just a bit. 293 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 6: I wrote my check, handed it to him and he 294 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 6: wrote a receipt, and as he hands it to me, 295 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 6: he says, how about a hug? And no one ever 296 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 6: says that when you're at one of those tables. No 297 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 6: one had ever said it previous, no one has said 298 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 6: it since. This came right after my days of pleading 299 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 6: with Eric for a hug. Here's a young man could 300 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 6: practically be him, offering for whatever reason, a hug. I said, 301 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 6: of course, I'll always take a hug. And when I 302 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 6: hugged him, I felt like I was hugging Eric. And 303 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 6: as I walked away, I just said, thank you, that 304 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 6: was you. I don't know how that works, but it 305 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 6: was him. From that moment. There was more things that occurred, 306 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 6: but that's something that you could easily say, Oh, wasn't 307 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 6: that nice of that young. 308 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 3: Man to offer me a hug. 309 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 6: It was Eric, and I trust that. 310 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 2: Thank you for sharing that. And you said, journaling that's 311 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 2: so important because this ego mind will want to just 312 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 2: blow off things and it's coincidence, and keep telling you 313 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: it's coincidences. But you can't overlook these repetitive things happening, 314 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 2: the ones that give you goosebumps and there's no explanation 315 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 2: for Allison over to you. So I just want to 316 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 2: first say thank you so much, Sandra. 317 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 7: When I was learning about the afterlife, you were one 318 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 7: of the key people who helped me, and I am 319 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 7: just so grateful and excited to be here. My son 320 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 7: Davey transitioned in twenty sixteen in a single car accident. 321 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 7: I'm a former attorney. I represented kids in the child 322 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 7: of you court and it kind of led me to 323 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 7: a high school teacher so I could work with the 324 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 7: kids in. 325 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: A different way. 326 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 7: And I'm so excited to be part of this. You know, 327 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 7: the difficult grief process has brought some beauty and this 328 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 7: is definitely part of that. I made a mantra to 329 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 7: myself and it was I want to feel you so 330 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 7: spiritually that I don't miss you so badly physically, and 331 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 7: that was my goal every day and that's what I 332 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 7: worked on. I think this book the main message, and 333 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 7: we've all talked about this, is that people get that 334 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 7: their children are not gone. I felt that right away. 335 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 7: People would say to me I'm sorry for your loss, 336 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 7: and I'd be like, Oh, don't even say that to me. 337 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 7: I know he's not gone, you know. And I would 338 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 7: do everything I can to read books from parents who 339 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 7: had gone through this and still felt the connection. I 340 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 7: would listen to you and your show and your connection 341 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 7: with your father, and I would go, that's how I feel, 342 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 7: That's how I feel. So it helped so much. So 343 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 7: this book is one hundred and thirty people saying that 344 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 7: and showing that and giving you their experiences and what 345 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 7: it meant to them, and their great advice. 346 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 6: I think the big. 347 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 7: Thing I'm hearing from what you're saying is how do 348 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 7: these parents connect? 349 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 8: Right? 350 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 7: They want this too. They're hearing all this. You're getting 351 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 7: signs and the dreams, and this is what I would say. 352 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 7: I wanted to connect so bad, right, so I just 353 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 7: had to get quiet. I would meditate. I would get 354 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 7: in a place, get quiet, maybe put on a little music, 355 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 7: and picture myself in a place that was really calming, 356 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 7: and just picture Davy coming in. You know, he usually 357 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 7: paddleboarded up because he was a surfer, So I pictured 358 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 7: him coming up and sitting next to me, and then 359 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 7: I would be like, hey, how are you doing? And 360 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 7: I just did this in my head quiet, and then 361 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 7: he would talk, and I would talk in my body 362 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 7: didn't know the difference that he wasn't physically there and 363 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 7: that I was imagining this in my meditation. It calmed down. 364 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 7: It got used to seeing him, and I would do 365 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 7: this all the time, and when I went on walks, 366 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 7: my daily walk, I talked to him and I was 367 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 7: in the car, Like Dolorie said, I talked to him, and. 368 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 6: My body got used to that. I wanted to. 369 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 7: Feel him like that right. That was my goal, and 370 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 7: so I was able to do that. And one of 371 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 7: my most amazing stories came from that. Right after his transition, 372 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 7: we had to go to a wedding a couple months 373 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 7: after because my daughter was in it and I have 374 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 7: to show up for my daughter's right. They were always like. 375 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 6: We're not gone, We're still here. 376 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 7: And so I go to this wedding and I'm doing 377 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 7: really good making it through, and then the unexpected happened 378 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 7: where you get that wave, so I know how people feel. 379 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 7: The mother son dance came. I hadn't thought about it, 380 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 7: and I just got up. I quietly just walked to 381 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 7: the bathroom and of course had. 382 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 2: The wave of grief, and it was really difficult. 383 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 7: And every wedding after that, my family got used to 384 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 7: like putting a baby in my arms, doing something right. 385 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 7: So my nephew, who was Davy's counterpart, like they were 386 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 7: best buddies, got married a couple of years later, and 387 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 7: I've got a meditation. I said to Davy, Davy, I 388 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 7: don't want to be sad at his wedding. I want 389 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 7: to be joyful. I want to be happy. I miss 390 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 7: that I didn't get to do that with you. And 391 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 7: I heard in him say close your eyes, imagine you 392 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 7: and are dancing. And then he showed me something pretty amazing. 393 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 7: He took me to the wedding and he's showing Billy 394 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 7: and my sister dancing, and then he shows my sister 395 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 7: coming getting me and bringing me on the dance floor, 396 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 7: and then it turns into me and Davy dancing and 397 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 7: we're dancing, and it felt magical, like I loved it. 398 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 7: So I'm like, all right, I got my dance day 399 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 7: of the wedding, and I'm just remembering this. And it 400 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 7: comes down to the dance and my mom comes and 401 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 7: gets me, ins hold of me, and they're dancing, and 402 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 7: halfway through, my sister comes and gets me and takes 403 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 7: me on the dance floor and puts it with my 404 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 7: nephe you and I'm dancing with my son. My mind 405 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 7: literally when this was happening, when I saw this before 406 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 7: it happened. He showed me it before it happened, and 407 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 7: I'm in this Dan It's like, I can't. 408 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: Believe this is happening to me. 409 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 7: And then the next day I go to my sister 410 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 7: and I'm like, I have to tell you something. I 411 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 7: saw this before it happened, and she goes, I have 412 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 7: to tell you something. I didn't want to do this. 413 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 7: I was afraid the girls would get mad at me 414 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 7: or people would think we were showbudding. But Billy came 415 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 7: to me and said, we have to do this, and 416 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 7: we told nobody. 417 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 6: I was like, your care to blame this. 418 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: I've got tears in my eyes. 419 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 9: You know. 420 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: People often say it's just my imagination. That's how they communicate. 421 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: I wish there was another word from imagination, because imagination 422 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: is like you're making it up, but you're not. When 423 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 2: you take a medium course, that's what you use. If 424 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: you can visualize, and you can hear, and you can feel, 425 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 2: they use all of those senses with us. So please 426 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 2: everyone listening, if no more say it's just my imagination, 427 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 2: that is their number one mode of communication. And I 428 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 2: have never heard it like you have explained, Alison, and 429 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 2: I love him paddling up, you know, to get into 430 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 2: that practice because he's like, okay, mom's doing it, all right, 431 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 2: let's do it. And some people do it through journaling 432 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: and writing. But to just talk to him and visualize that, 433 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 2: it's beautiful. 434 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 3: And what a. 435 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 2: Story from the wedding you give me goosebumps? What else 436 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 2: would you like to share? 437 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 6: Well, I just want everybody to know anybody can do it. 438 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 6: You just have to learn. 439 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 7: Like we were talking about a new communication with your child, 440 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 7: that's all it is. It's a new language. It's not 441 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 7: the physical eye anymore. It is through your heart. That's 442 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 7: what I would tell you. Oh my gosh, you guys 443 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 7: know this. When you see these signs, it's not just 444 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 7: a butterfly that's coming and hovering by you. All of 445 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 7: a sudden, you get the chills and your heart lights 446 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 7: up and you're like, they're with me guidance system, right, 447 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 7: that helps you, you know when it's like oh, and 448 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 7: that's how you. 449 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 2: Know it's time for our next break and we'll be 450 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 2: back with a few more words from Allison. You'll hear 451 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 2: from Nancy and Anne Marie. 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I'll be honest. 473 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 7: I love my family, my kids, but this love I 474 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 7: think it's maybe a soul connection. I think that's what 475 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 7: it is. My son is bringing me to connect with 476 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 7: my soul and him. And this is what I would 477 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 7: say two to these parents. My mission was to find Davy, 478 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 7: but eight years later, he's right here. He's right here 479 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 7: with me. Is my mission is to connect to my 480 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 7: soul and then be a late for him to shine 481 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 7: through and meet a Shane through as well, and then 482 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 7: I can be joyful. I can live a life where 483 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 7: I can laugh, enjoy and be kind and loving to others. 484 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 7: I didn't want to be the face of grief. I 485 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,239 Speaker 7: didn't want people to look at me and cry. I 486 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 7: wanted them to look at me and see hope. 487 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 2: Thank you, Alison, Anne Marie over. 488 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 9: To you right. I'm Anne Marie and I'm in Australia. 489 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 9: My son Harry transitioned to spirit in October twenty twenty. 490 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 9: I'm a professional writer and editor and one thing that 491 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 9: was a huge benefit out of being involved in this 492 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 9: book is through reading transcript or watching the actual YouTube 493 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 9: interviews with these one hundred and thirty parents, there is 494 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 9: a real sense of how normal it is to connect 495 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 9: with our loved ones on the other side. So that 496 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 9: normalizing of afterlife connection is a real passion for me, 497 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 9: and said, it's so helpful to anybody who's interested in 498 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 9: that question of what next. You know, what happens after 499 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 9: and there is so much evidence that it is really 500 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 9: difficult to discount. And I guess none of us have 501 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 9: a goal to prove anything, like We're all involved in 502 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 9: this project because we have a sense of wanting to 503 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 9: help other parents and other people who are grieving, just 504 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,719 Speaker 9: to know that their loved one is okay and to 505 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 9: understand the many ways that they might be trying to communicate. 506 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 9: So the ways that children communicate in the case of 507 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 9: those on the other side who are connected with the 508 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 9: one hundred and thirty parents, it's quite diverse. 509 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 3: But we soon. 510 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 9: Realize when we were looking through what we called the 511 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 9: gold out of the transcripts, we looked at the most 512 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 9: impactful I guess quotes or stories, and when we're looking 513 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 9: at this que massive material, it was really clear that 514 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 9: there were several themes. It wasn't one hundred and thirty 515 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 9: different ways that kids connect. It was maybe age or nine, 516 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 9: with a few sort of random ones. I know, for me, 517 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 9: speaking personally, Harry's strongest mode of connection is through dreams, 518 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 9: and that also includes visitations and what I like to 519 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 9: call encounters, and that sense of lucidity and emotional connection 520 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 9: is incredibly powerful, and honestly, it really is what sustains 521 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 9: me that regular contact with him, knowing that it never 522 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 9: goes for more than four or six weeks without me 523 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 9: hearing from him, and I might miss signs like it 524 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 9: probably took me a long time before I even saw 525 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 9: my first sign, but since then they do happen occasionally, 526 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 9: but I can always rely on the dreams, which can 527 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 9: be quite instructional. Harry was a very sort of well 528 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 9: grounded person, very much interested in how things work and 529 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 9: the mechanics of objects, and often he will come through 530 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 9: that way as well, particularly in the early days, where 531 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 9: he would come through sort of saying this is what happens. Afterwards, 532 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 9: this happens, and then this happens, and it's so straightforward 533 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 9: and almost quite dry and instructional. I feel like there 534 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 9: is such abundant evidence for connection across the bail. And 535 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 9: there's one little story I'd love to share, and I 536 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 9: was reminded of it the other day. There's a beautiful 537 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 9: medium who's very supportive of for being parents here and 538 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 9: she does Sign of the Week. I had never taken 539 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 9: part in that because I always had this fear that 540 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 9: I would not get a sign, and what did that 541 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 9: mean if Harry wasn't responding. Because I don't like the 542 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 9: idea that you can just click your fingers and they're 543 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 9: going to like a circus at because I do believe 544 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 9: they're busy and they've got purpose and things to do. 545 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 9: But in this case, I thought, I've never done it, 546 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 9: maybe I'll give it a go. And the sign of 547 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 9: the week was the rhino rhinoceros, quite an unusual thing. 548 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 9: So I went about my week, didn't even think about it. 549 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 9: And about five days past and I was walking a 550 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 9: route around my town and we got to this cafe 551 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 9: that I was very familiar with, and we were just 552 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,479 Speaker 9: deep in conversation and I looked up and there above 553 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 9: me was a rhino on the back of their sign. 554 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 3: And I said to him, oh. 555 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 7: My god, Harry, it's a rhino. 556 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 9: And Joe, my partner, had no idea that what I 557 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 9: was talking about. I hadn't even mentioned Sign of the Week. 558 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 9: And then he turns around and says, look what I'm 559 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 9: wearing on the bank of his T shirt well a rhino. 560 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 2: I feel like that. 561 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 9: Is like a micro miracle. So I love that. And often, 562 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 9: as others have said, when we need that boost, or 563 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 9: when we might be feeling really down, it is so 564 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 9: wonderful to look back over these experiences and be reminded. 565 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 9: This book is another opportunity to do that, to really 566 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,959 Speaker 9: feel that sense of connection and the love that is 567 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 9: so evident, because despite it being about grief, it's a 568 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 9: really positive and perpetual book. It is about the fact 569 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 9: that love never dies, so how can it not be 570 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 9: a beautiful book to read. There is also that sense 571 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 9: that readers get is that we're not alone like we 572 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 9: might feel. We can't share these things in our normal life, 573 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 9: but even reading these stories, we can feel connected to 574 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 9: all these other parents because it's not just happening to 575 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 9: one person or one parent. It's universal and it's common emory. 576 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,720 Speaker 2: I'd like to ask you about dreams. There's people listening 577 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,720 Speaker 2: right now, jealous as I feel it myself. This woman's 578 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 2: getting all these dreams. How do you know it's a 579 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 2: dream visitation versus just a regular dream. 580 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 3: It is very. 581 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 9: Common, I know, to feel to a large degree quite 582 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 9: envious and upset because your child was an individual when 583 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 9: they were here in life, and they're an individual still. 584 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 9: Dreams may not be their strengths, is what I believe. 585 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 9: They all at their strengths. Some kids might be fantastic 586 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 9: at bringing signs or fiddling with electronics. I feel that 587 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 9: Harry's Villetai's dreams and my first dream occurred at six 588 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 9: weeks afterwards, and it was one of maybe six visitations, 589 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 9: and the visitation characteristic my mind. And obviously I've read 590 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 9: a lot and listened to a lot of people this topic, 591 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 9: but for me, it's that sense of strong emotional connection. 592 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 9: It is that hyper realism, almost like an outer body experience, 593 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 9: that sharp focus. Everything feels very real and unlike in 594 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 9: a dream where your mind is potentially processing the events 595 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 9: of the day or the week or whatever subconscious thoughts 596 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 9: or fears. Even in a visitation, it has a very 597 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 9: strong and clear narrative thread that been sometimes very short 598 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 9: five seconds through to what seems like the entire night. 599 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 9: But when I wake up, I can remember their highlights. 600 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 9: But they're powerful in a way that, like a near 601 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 9: death experience, you might remember it for years. In my case, 602 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 9: her has been on the other side for four years, 603 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 9: so he's now twenty two, and he has shown himself 604 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 9: to me in visitations at what I call current age 605 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 9: as well, which is slightly older, like slightly more filled out. 606 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 9: So for me visitations there is no doubting that they 607 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 9: are vastly different from a nonsensical dream. 608 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 3: Thank you so. 609 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,720 Speaker 8: Much, friends, we have one more person to hear from 610 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 8: on Nancy Hanah. I currently live in Gary, Indiana, and 611 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 8: lives for most of my adult life near Chicago. I 612 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 8: have four beautiful children and two girls and two boys, 613 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 8: and both of my sons are in spirit. My oldest 614 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 8: son Will passed in twenty sixteen of an accidental overdoes 615 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,399 Speaker 8: after about ten years of a struggle that we were 616 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 8: all part of. And then two years later my youngest son, 617 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 8: Joey passed in a head on collision. He passed instantly. 618 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 8: It happened to be on the day of in sister's wedding, 619 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 8: so that was quite a day and that was really 620 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 8: what propelled by us to go on a search to 621 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,919 Speaker 8: find them, because we could not believe that they could 622 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 8: truly be gone at that point. So, having been a 623 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 8: spiritual person but not really had any kind of concrete 624 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 8: sense of what happened. It just launched myself and my 625 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 8: daughters into that journey of reading and searching and researching, 626 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 8: and we found them. We did find them. 627 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 2: What did you find to first that you said, hey, 628 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:27,320 Speaker 2: there's something here. 629 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 6: The very first sign that we had, even before we 630 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 6: knew what signs were happened on the day of Joey's passing, 631 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 6: my youngest son, his sister's wedding, and we didn't know 632 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 6: about his passing until after things had gotten going with. 633 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 6: The wedding was an outdoor wedding, people were seated, We 634 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 6: knew that he was laid. People were pretty annoyed. We 635 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 6: didn't know what had happened, but we knew something had 636 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 6: to have gone wrong. And we got the call while 637 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 6: things were very much underway and decided to go ahead 638 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 6: and have the ceremony. Then we would tell the rest 639 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 6: of the. 640 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 8: Family and just to go from there. So this is 641 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 8: after the ceremony, after the vows, and my middle daughter was. 642 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 6: Watching my now step grandson, who was four at the time, 643 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 6: inside a building waiting while pictures were being taken, and 644 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 6: they were just kind of passing the time, and my 645 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 6: grandson said to my daughter, Maggie, we need to go 646 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 6: from my friend, and Meggie asked him, well, what trend 647 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 6: is this, thinking it was one of the children in 648 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 6: the wedding party end he said, well, I don't know 649 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 6: his name, and he didn't really have a face, but 650 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 6: he had rainbow hair. And Maggie said, oh, well, that's interesting, 651 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 6: and she didn't really think any more about it, and 652 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 6: she didn't know at that time that Joean had passed. 653 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,760 Speaker 8: And so later on that evening, after the whole event 654 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 8: was really turned into a wake for Joey and it 655 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 8: was an incredibly powerful, powerful day, which also included a 656 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 8: rainbow in the afternoon that you could practically touch. Maybe 657 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 8: told us that, and that was our first clue that 658 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 8: something else was going on. And I immediately felt that 659 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 8: there's no way that my boys could be gone. 660 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,959 Speaker 6: We were going to find them, and that launched us, 661 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 6: and many many rainbows later, we found them. 662 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm sure you can agree. These ladies, their children 663 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 2: and their stories are all very special. There's more words 664 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 2: from Nancy when we come back. You're listening to Shades 665 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 2: of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 666 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,800 Speaker 2: am Paranormal podcast network. 667 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: More of Sandra's coming up just around the corner. 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Let's continue with Nancy's story. 693 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 6: We have several languages that we've figured out my boys 694 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 6: and it was a little bit lectuades for a long 695 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 6: time guessing game, but kind of giving that reinforcement encouraged more. 696 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 6: One big one is there great with electronics and this 697 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,760 Speaker 6: particular light that I have in my kitchen, which early 698 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 6: after Joey's passing went absolutely bananas and I thought, oh, 699 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 6: well it's going out, and it's one of those sort 700 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 6: of solid state you don't change the ball, but that well, 701 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 6: it's dying. So it did this whole big thing and 702 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 6: then it stopped, and that didn't happen for a while, 703 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 6: and then it happened again, and it happened a few 704 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 6: more times, and I had the good fortune of having 705 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 6: some very validating readings from mediums and they let us 706 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 6: know that it was and since then, they've gotten very 707 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 6: very good at just kind of giving me a little hello. 708 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 6: And that happens almost, if not every day, maybe every 709 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 6: other day. Every few days. I'll turn it on and 710 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 6: I'll get a little fun we're here kind of thing, 711 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 6: and I'll say, the boys are here, and I'll. 712 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 2: Know that they're there. 713 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 6: I also can kind of sense them. I kind of 714 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 6: feel their presence. 715 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 8: I figured out that it's Joey on my forehead and 716 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,320 Speaker 8: Will on the top of my head. And again it 717 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 8: was a lot of going back and forth and through 718 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 8: some readings that validated that as well. So those are 719 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 8: the two really consistent ones. And then I've had all 720 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 8: manner of the really big hits. You one story that 721 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 8: I just love, and it's. 722 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 6: My youngest son, Joey. I actually heard him in my thoughts. 723 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,319 Speaker 6: It wasn't my words. If I was taking a walk, 724 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 6: I walked in the dunes. I lived near Raake, Michigan, 725 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 6: and not long after his passing, in my mind, I 726 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 6: was racing and I kind of stopped myself midwalk and said, 727 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 6: you know, I am just going to calm myself down 728 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 6: and I'm not going to think of anything. I'm just 729 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 6: going to walk and Right after I could make that commitment, 730 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 6: I heard this voice in my head that said, let's 731 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 6: go look for a little magic, okay, And so I 732 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 6: just kind of calmly walked out to the lake and 733 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 6: the beach was perfectly flat, and I walked up to 734 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 6: this little piece of driftwood and I looked down and 735 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 6: it was the perfect shape and head of a dolphin. 736 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,840 Speaker 6: I mean the face, both sides, the whole thing. It 737 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 6: was clear's day, little dolphin. Joey love dolphins. Is that 738 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,000 Speaker 6: thank you, thank you, thank you? 739 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 11: Home put it on the little altar, you know, my 740 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 11: little boy table, And I've been thinking about it, and 741 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,760 Speaker 11: then it hit me that Joey's friends, after he passed 742 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 11: in his honor, adopted an animal. 743 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 6: At the zoo, which you can do kind of support 744 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 6: this animal, and they chose a dolphin. You can guess 745 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,440 Speaker 6: what the name of that dolphin was. 746 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 3: Magic. 747 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,320 Speaker 6: I had found a little magic. 748 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 8: It was spot on, and it was very jan in 749 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 8: terms of his sense of humor and everything. 750 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 6: So that was a big woman. And that little dolphin 751 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,720 Speaker 6: still sits by the light that goes often on, very clever. 752 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,319 Speaker 2: Do you keep a journal or any of those? 753 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 6: Oooh, I do I have it right here, my help 754 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,919 Speaker 6: insurance steal. This is the third one. I write down 755 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 6: pretty much every day, all the signs, and always with 756 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 6: gratitude to them and acknowledging them, even if I'm not 757 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 6: completely sure. I think that's important because that vibrational energy 758 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,080 Speaker 6: that you're just you're building. And I think the biggest 759 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,359 Speaker 6: tool for anybody is to. 760 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 8: Have an open heart and open mind on this journey, 761 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,400 Speaker 8: because that is really to healing. 762 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 3: I'd like to share two things, and then maybe everyone 763 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 3: just wants to go around and quick wrap a final thought, 764 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 3: but Allison said anyone can do it. And one of 765 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,760 Speaker 3: the many strengths of this book is these parents are 766 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 3: sharing with you what work for them, because different ways 767 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 3: work for different people. But one of the themes that 768 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 3: emerged is that it's so important to find your tribe, 769 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 3: you know, find your kindred spirits, and they may not 770 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 3: be where you think they are. And this can be 771 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 3: true for anyone that they may find that their closest people, 772 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 3: their soulmates, aren't their family. Another really important point that 773 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,399 Speaker 3: came for these parents was when I asked question number six, 774 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,520 Speaker 3: the toughest one, what are your beliefs about their being 775 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,400 Speaker 3: a meaning? And aming behind something that seemingly senseless and 776 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,839 Speaker 3: tragic as a child's passing. So there was this five 777 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,320 Speaker 3: year old girl and she was precocious. She was telling 778 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,399 Speaker 3: her mom about the afterlife and how life is set up, 779 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 3: and she had drawn three things and the mom said, well, 780 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,360 Speaker 3: what's this first one? And she said, this is where 781 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,360 Speaker 3: we go before we come to earth to choose our parents. 782 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,360 Speaker 3: And the mom got, we've never talked about that with you. 783 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,279 Speaker 3: How would you get that idea? What's the second thing? 784 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,839 Speaker 3: This is where you go to decide where you're going 785 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 3: to live when you come to earth. What's the third? 786 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,040 Speaker 3: This is the book of life. You only get to 787 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 3: read this after you leave earth. And the mom's just dumbfounded. 788 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,799 Speaker 3: So for a couple of years she was learning from 789 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,600 Speaker 3: her daughter, her daughters like a spiritual prodigy. Well, as 790 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,880 Speaker 3: often happens, as the school year's advanced, the kids forget, 791 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 3: they shut down, they forget the big picture of life. 792 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 3: And it's understandable now. The little girl's twelve years old 793 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,360 Speaker 3: and she said, mom, what do you think death is about? 794 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 3: Do you think there's life after death? And the mom said, honey, 795 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,240 Speaker 3: why are you asking this. You're the one that taught 796 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,600 Speaker 3: me seven years ago, and besides, you're a little kid, 797 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 3: you know you don't have to worry about this. A 798 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,280 Speaker 3: week later, the little girl fell over. She had a 799 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:26,160 Speaker 3: fatal cerebral aneurysm. And it's like, why a week before 800 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,680 Speaker 3: that happened that she's starting to ask about a similar 801 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 3: story again. A five year old girl had a number 802 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,239 Speaker 3: of angels. She had names for him. They were just 803 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 3: as real to her as other humans in her life. 804 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,040 Speaker 3: Same thing. As she got older, she didn't talk about 805 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 3: him as much, and the mom didn't know if she 806 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 3: just forgot about him or what. So now the daughter 807 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,280 Speaker 3: is thirty four years old and she came to stay 808 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,400 Speaker 3: the night with her mom and she said, Mom, you 809 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,879 Speaker 3: know those angels I see when I was a little girl. 810 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 3: She said, they've come back. And night she passed on 811 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 3: in her sleep undiagnosed condition. You know, you hear one okay, 812 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,680 Speaker 3: here too, and then you hear it does and you're like, 813 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,800 Speaker 3: oh my god, there really is a time and meeting 814 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,480 Speaker 3: it behind that tough as it may be for humans 815 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,439 Speaker 3: to understand. And hopefully, I guess people hope that this 816 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,040 Speaker 3: is not a random, cruel, chaotic journey. God has not 817 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:24,080 Speaker 3: a sleep the wheel. 818 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,520 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Mark. All right, let's hear some 819 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:29,759 Speaker 2: closing words. 820 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 3: Dolores. 821 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:31,799 Speaker 2: Let's start with you. 822 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,200 Speaker 6: I saw a therapist for about a year and a half, 823 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,759 Speaker 6: a Greek therapist who was amazing after Eric changed worlds. 824 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,799 Speaker 6: She and I didn't have spiritual discussions, you know, she 825 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 6: was my therapist, but she did say at one point, 826 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,640 Speaker 6: you're now going to have another relationship, a different relationship 827 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,160 Speaker 6: with Eric. And at the time I was like, what, 828 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,520 Speaker 6: I didn't get it at all, and he It's been 829 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 6: seven and a half years, and boy, do I get it. 830 00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:01,120 Speaker 6: The relationship continues. They are there with us, as you've 831 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,359 Speaker 6: said a million times on your show, and we all 832 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 6: know the body is not the whole person. There's so 833 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 6: much more. The body will die, but not the spirit, 834 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,400 Speaker 6: the soul of the person, and they're here and just 835 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:18,000 Speaker 6: remembering the relationship continues. Thank you so much. 836 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 2: Let's go over to Anne Marie. 837 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,239 Speaker 12: My final message would be that the book is like 838 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,640 Speaker 12: a handbook for hearing. These parents have reached a point 839 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,640 Speaker 12: where we know in our hearts and with a certainty 840 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,920 Speaker 12: that our children are still alive, and they're showing us 841 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 12: in multiple ways. So I just echo what everyone else 842 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,520 Speaker 12: has said in terms of how universally helpful this book is. 843 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,719 Speaker 12: Regardless of the type of brief you might have. 844 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,520 Speaker 9: Just to know that there are people who have these 845 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,680 Speaker 9: experiences in itself is nourishing and helpful. 846 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,640 Speaker 6: Nancy, I would like to maybe just read one little 847 00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,160 Speaker 6: quote from the book, and this is Spike. Laurie her 848 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,440 Speaker 6: son is Garrett. Here's what she says, and she has 849 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,040 Speaker 6: a little bit of mediumistic ability, as do many Garrets. 850 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,440 Speaker 6: As it turns out, after their children have passed, they 851 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:21,200 Speaker 6: discovered this. So this is Laurie my son Garrett said, Mom, 852 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,040 Speaker 6: don't keep going over and over how I passed like 853 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,440 Speaker 6: a hamster in a wheel turning three hundred tons. I 854 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,480 Speaker 6: didn't pass on three hundred times. It's not important to me. 855 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,880 Speaker 6: I want to be remembered for how we laughed and 856 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,520 Speaker 6: how I made you laugh, not how I died. It's 857 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,759 Speaker 6: easy to get stuck in the sadness. They want us 858 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,960 Speaker 6: to think of happy moments. Allison, I would say that 859 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:47,800 Speaker 6: you're not alone. 860 00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,839 Speaker 7: Not only does this book show you there are all 861 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,280 Speaker 7: these parents out there that care so deeply. They're affiliate leaders, 862 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,680 Speaker 7: they're carrying listeners. But the organization helping parents heal is 863 00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,399 Speaker 7: such a beautiful organ I think what resonated so much 864 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,919 Speaker 7: with me was when they said shining light parent. That's 865 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,320 Speaker 7: what I want to be. I don't want to be 866 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,400 Speaker 7: a grieving parent. I want my child to shine through me, 867 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,480 Speaker 7: make me a better person, and I can be joyful 868 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,839 Speaker 7: and not feel guilty about being joyful. It's actually I'm 869 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,920 Speaker 7: making him proud. And I love doing acts of kindness 870 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,480 Speaker 7: with them. I love doing fun stuff with them. So 871 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,960 Speaker 7: you can do those things still with your child and 872 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,640 Speaker 7: you're not alone. It's a great organization, So I hope 873 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,040 Speaker 7: everybody will look into the book and the organization. 874 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,960 Speaker 2: Doctor Mark, what say you as we close out our 875 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,279 Speaker 2: episode today. 876 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,800 Speaker 3: I say, my heart is full. This was a wonderful 877 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,480 Speaker 3: time here. I would just share the conference. Eleven hundred people, 878 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,400 Speaker 3: that's a lot. And I heard stories of several people 879 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,960 Speaker 3: who are not associated with the conference were walking down 880 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,680 Speaker 3: the hall and they said to someone in the conference, Wow, 881 00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,960 Speaker 3: it looks like you guys having a great time. I 882 00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,480 Speaker 3: like to be part of this group. What's this about? 883 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,400 Speaker 3: And President know you would you know all brief parents, 884 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,960 Speaker 3: but it just illustrates that you can go through life 885 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,799 Speaker 3: no matter what your challenge is. You can go through 886 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,080 Speaker 3: life and deal with that but still have It's not 887 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,399 Speaker 3: an either or, it's an ant. In this case, Yes, 888 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,560 Speaker 3: their children past and we choose to be happy and 889 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,680 Speaker 3: peaceful and bright in the world. So that's the biggest 890 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:32,600 Speaker 3: saying I can lead. 891 00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,720 Speaker 2: Thank you so much to doctor Mark Pittstick, to Nancy, 892 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:42,239 Speaker 2: to Alison, Anne, Marie and Dolores. These five compiled the 893 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:48,240 Speaker 2: book Shining Light Parents Speak wisdom and inspiration from Helping 894 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:53,239 Speaker 2: Parents Heal Leaders. I wholeheartedly recommend you check out the 895 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:58,680 Speaker 2: website helpingparentshal dot org. There's all kinds of places to 896 00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,560 Speaker 2: visit within that site, including their YouTube channel, lots of 897 00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:07,000 Speaker 2: great resources. 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