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Speaker 2: Hurdle a While, this focused podcast where I connect with

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Speaker 2: what would you say your identity is the most rooted

438
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Speaker 2: in at this.

439
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Speaker 1: Moment dog lover for sure.

440
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Speaker 3: Wow, that was an unexpected but excellent, excellent answer.

441
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 2: I thought that might might maybe we would go like

442
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 2: with something about the fifty two whiskies that you indulge

443
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 2: in or coffee connoisseur.

444
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: Dog Lover love to throw a get a curb.

445
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Speaker 2: If you took out the word two time Olympian tomorrow

446
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 2: from your Instagram bio. Do you have any feelings that

447
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 2: stir in your heart about that?

448
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: I was like, well, Boston Champlin's still be on their

449
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: subcod It's all good. I that's a great question. I

450
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: don't know. I think, man, if there was like a

451
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: blank slate and it was like, well, you you're thirty

452
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 1: eight and you don't have anything on there, I would

453
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: be pretty sad. If there were things that I was

454
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: doing in the meantime that were like at that level,

455
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: I think I would be content. So it's to me,

456
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: it's like what I would I have done in that time?

457
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: And I think there's things that if running were taken

458
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: away from me tomorrow, I could fill up my time

459
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: and feel really comfortable with my life and how I

460
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: spend my time.

461
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: I think the bigger question becomes who is Deaz like

462
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: Doug Love what.

463
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, No, You're this is great.

464
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 2: What I mean and what I mean by that question

465
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: is like who do you want to be like?

466
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 3: At your core? When you think about your values.

467
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: And the kind of person that you want to be,

468
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 2: the kind of wife that you want to be, the

469
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 2: kind of friend, the kind of in some circumstances teammate

470
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: motivational human as you are, even though maybe you wouldn't

471
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Speaker 2: step and say, like, that's my identity.

472
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 3: I'm a motivational human. But who is Dez?

473
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 2: Like, what are the qualities about yourself that you are

474
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 2: the most proud of.

475
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: I think I'm incredibly curious, which sounds kind of silly,

476
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 1: but I think like whatever I am interested in at

477
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: the moment, I will be very curious about it, dig

478
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: in and try to understand it and explore it and

479
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: challenge it. So I think I'm always trying to figure

480
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: things out and solve them. And I think that that

481
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: applies to most parts of my life except for my relationship.

482
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to solve anything that We're good.

483
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: You're good there. I'm sure your husband's happy to hear that.

484
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: Speaking of curiosity a big thing, I'm sure you're curious

485
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 2: and excited to dive into would be your new role

486
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: as the chief running advisor at Brooks. Talk to us

487
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: a little bit about how that came to fruition and

488
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 2: what about it perhaps you're most curious about.

489
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: Oh, it's so exciting and honestly, all the credits to

490
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,719
Speaker 1: Brooks and my agent Josh Cox for again thinking outside

491
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: of the box. And I think that we've had so

492
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: many great conversations like how do we fill time in

493
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: the pandemic? What can we do to engage the community,

494
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: what's exciting? So that's already the conversation, and then as

495
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: we were redoing athlete contract, it was like, well, what's next,

496
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, and how can we parades for that? So

497
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: hats off to Brooks for even mentioning that and for

498
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: Josh being creative to come up with, you know, this

499
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: kind of next phase that I don't have to jump

500
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: into immediately, but we're working on and we're building and

501
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: so that's super exciting, and it's it has a couple

502
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: of bullet points of this is what you're doing in

503
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: the role, but it's also very broad and I love

504
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: all these different things about the sport, and like I said,

505
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm super curious, like how can we make events better?

506
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: Like I have this pitch, like, okay, guys, it's going

507
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: to be New Year's Eve Seattle crit style racing. We're

508
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 1: running through Pike's Market. Kids are going first, the adults

509
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: are going second, the pros are going late, and then

510
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: we're popping bottles at midnight, like a whole day. Everyone's

511
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 1: going to be there, right you guys are signed up, see, like,

512
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: how can we make events fun? Engaging? How can we

513
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: connect community pros? And so there's all these things on

514
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: that side, you know, and then inspiring Coaches program that

515
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: Brooks already has. It's one of my favorite things. I'm

516
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: going to be able to kind of get my hands

517
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: on that a little bit and see what it's all about.

518
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: So I love that. It's like really abroad right now,

519
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: and when I find the things that I'm the most

520
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: passionate about, I'm like, ooh, that's mine. That's mine. It's

521
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: like a little buffet at the moment.

522
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 3: Real talk.

523
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was real.

524
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: A little bit more okay when you announced that, did

525
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: you get any pushback from people saying what you kind

526
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: of alluded to before, which was that some individuals may

527
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 2: feel as though it's time for you to tie your

528
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: laces together and throw your shoes over a telephone line?

529
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, so is this a retirement announcement? Sort of

530
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: got a lot of questions about that, It's not.

531
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Speaker 3: How did that make you feel?

532
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: I thought it was kind of funny, I mean, particularly

533
00:27:53,920 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: with the big race coming up. It's like read the news. Yeah, no,

534
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: I mean eventually it's going to happen. That's one hundred percent,

535
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: So I get it. I understand it. And my fall

536
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: last year was really tough. I think this particular race

537
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: the spring is going to be shy of my best

538
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: stuff and hope. I'm hopeful that I still have some

539
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: great running and it's possible that I don't, but my

540
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: body says otherwise certain days. So you know, you don't

541
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: have to see that. You can think whatever you want.

542
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I'm going to stop trying to achieve

543
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: those high end goals.

544
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Speaker 3: Something else that I.

569
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Speaker 2: Love about your career was the time that you purposefully

570
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: kind of took a step back from running. And it's

571
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: something that isn't talked about enough. And during that time,

572
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: what you told me for hurdle was that you were

573
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: seeking to find the joy in your sport. Again, I'm

574
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: sure there are a lot of people listening to this

575
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: both live and in the feed, who feel as though

576
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: they have wavered with their relationship with running at one

577
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: point or another because of the hurdles that they've been navigating.

578
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: Can you talk to us a little bit about what

579
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: that time period was like for you and when it

580
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: felt right for you to really get back in just

581
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: before that really special time in your career.

582
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they were I've done this twice truthfully

583
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: to and it was really necessary. Once was forced by injury.

584
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: So I took a training stint in Kenya, which is

585
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: kind of off the grid. It's sort of frowned upon, like, hey,

586
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of doping in Kenya. But got some

587
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: really good advice from folks that I know that are

588
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: over there, and it had a great setup, and I

589
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to go somewhere else in the

590
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: world and just try and experience running in a different

591
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: way and be around a totally different culture and learn

592
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: about it. And you know, you go out there for

593
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: your regular run on a Wednesday and there's a fart

594
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: like going on with like, you know, three hundred Kenyons,

595
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: and most of them are never going to make it.

596
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: You're not going to see them on the Boston start line.

597
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: But they start and they go for as long as

598
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: they can and a lot of them don't finish, but

599
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: they stop and then they walk home and then they

600
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: try again the next day, right, And that was cool.

601
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, they're going to do this, like

602
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: whether they make it or not, it's just part of

603
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: their lifestyle. That's awesome. You go out and run on

604
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: the trails and there's this tiny they're just tiny little

605
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: kids and they love the tourists. It's mazungas the white people.

606
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: And they're like, how are you? How are you?

607
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: How are you?

608
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: And they want to touch your they want to touch you,

609
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: they want to run with you, and they can run

610
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: with you for way too long, like.

611
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: I'm trying to drop you like you're six, and like, dang,

612
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: saw some of those out there today on the five K.

613
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: Courts totally exactly, and you're like they like they love it.

614
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: It's like I'm going to go run with the tour

615
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: like the tourists here in town. And so that was

616
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: super refreshing. And then I came back and you know,

617
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I feel like I'm that and truthfully,

618
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: this is super late in my career, but I feel

619
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: like that's when I learned to love running. I always

620
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: liked competing. I liked that, but if you told me, like,

621
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: go out and do a regular run, I'm like, that's

622
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: kind of boring.

623
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Speaker 3: What are years that.

624
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: Two thousand and fourteen?

625
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah, so another for a while.

626
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: And so that was one way I feel like I

627
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I've kind of refound this well dug

628
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: into loving the process of running. And then in twenty seventeen,

629
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: I was very fed up with the competitions of it

630
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: and just felt like I was baying my head against

631
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: the wall. And when I decided to run professionally, my

632
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: high school coach from back in the days, super basic advice,

633
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: but he's like, yeah, you should do that as long

634
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: as you're having fun. You know, like, if you can

635
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: make a living from it and you're having fun, go

636
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: for it. Like that's a great thing to try, and

637
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: then you don't have to worry later when you're older,

638
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: like what.

639
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: If, what if?

640
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: So, you know, but it's single line in there as

641
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: long as you're having fun. And in twenty seventeen, it

642
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: wasn't fun. It was like forced work. It felt like

643
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: I had a contract and I was like, like it

644
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: was way too long to count backwards. It was being

645
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: being at mile seven going like, man, the finish is

646
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: pretty far away at a marathon to do so it

647
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: just felt like work every day. And fortunately, you know,

648
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: Brooks has been super good to me and they're very understanding.

649
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: It's like, you can take a break, that's okay. So

650
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: I did, and you know, I was like when I

651
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: missed running up again, and if I don't, then you

652
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: just call it in and say hey, I'm like I'm

653
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: hanging them up. That's fine. This isn't fun anymore. And

654
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: there are other things that I can be doing with

655
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: my life, and I can start getting a new Instagram bio.

656
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: A new Instagram bio. So do you remember when it

657
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: started to feel good again?

658
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: You know, it's a lot like we were talking about earlier.

659
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: It was pretty unspectacular days where you're like, oh, I'm

660
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: actually pretty good at this, Like this feels effortless, and

661
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: like you look at your wrist and go, that shouldn't.

662
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: And so it's minor workouts where you're like, yeah, no,

663
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: I think that I should still be doing this. There's

664
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: more that I want to do. And it wasn't like

665
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: one day, one moment. It was a little hints of

666
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: it here and there, but it took I want at

667
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: the timeline has changed from a number of different people,

668
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 1: but I want to say, like, really, when I got

669
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 1: in the right headspace was probably like three months later.

670
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: Okay, And I mean, if you're following the timeline here,

671
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 2: this happened in twenty seventeen, and then we know what

672
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 2: happens in the spring of twenty eighteen. So it's just

673
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: such a beautiful moment of talking about and acknowledging the

674
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 2: hard work and sticking it out through those really tough times.

675
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: I would imagine, aside from the fact that maybe running

676
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: didn't feel the same, that you were probably struggling a

677
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: little bit mentally during that time, like not only with

678
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: the identity piece as we were talking about, but just

679
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 2: like feeling frustrated about the fact that like this thing

680
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: that you loved didn't feel the same. And where were

681
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 2: you seeking joy during that time?

682
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: Because for me, when I.

683
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: Can't run, I'm like, shoot, I really got to like

684
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 2: reanalyze everything in my life and like find some other

685
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: sources of happiness.

686
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 3: So for you during that time, like where were you

687
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 3: finding your happiness?

688
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't have that problem at all. Like my downtime,

689
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, can I have two more weeks? Coach

690
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: is like, no, let's go. I mean it was actually

691
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: quite nice to just stay put at home for a

692
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: bit because you're traveling to races, you're doing events, you're

693
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: doing engagements, and so it was time then I got

694
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: to stay home. I got to go fishing more often,

695
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: and like paddling a kayak, play with the dogs. I

696
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: became a dog lover at that time. So yeah, I

697
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: was just digging into things that I don't normally get

698
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: to do, and even like staying up a little later,

699
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: having one extra beer, like okay, this like I feel

700
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: like I got a little taste of like what normal

701
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: people do and it was good. And then you're like, okay,

702
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: this is actually just normal. I want to do the

703
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: other thing. So when he felt normal, it was like, okay,

704
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: maybe I shift.

705
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 3: To pivot a little bit.

706
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: I know that how you fuel your body obviously as

707
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: an elite athlete, super super critical. Can we talk about,

708
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 2: aside from beer, what does Lindon is kind of consuming

709
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: in a regular day.

710
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really excited about Inside Tragger partnership because I

711
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: feel like I'm going to learn so much that I'm

712
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: doing because I know I'm doing most of the stuff wrong.

713
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I'm not a calorie counter. I'm

714
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: not a person who has a rigid diet. Like we

715
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: put stuff, we try to put stuff in the fridge

716
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: that's healthy, and then you get up and you're like,

717
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: these are my options, and they're all healthy, and it's

718
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's whole foods and not bags in boxes.

719
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: But honestly, the bags in the boxes are just so easy,

720
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: you know. So in the morning, it's like toast and

721
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: some coffee and maybe a banana or something like that,

722
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: and then I graze throughout the day. I've always said

723
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: my favorite meal is ingredients. It's just like I just

724
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: like eat the ingredients, like I can't put them all together.

725
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: That takes too long. So that's kind of what I

726
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: do throughout the day. But I think you start, like

727
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: when you really break it down, you're like, I eat bread, cheese, chicken,

728
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: some lettuce, tomatoes, a salsa.

729
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 3: Uh, that's it, you know.

730
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: And then you get to evening and you're like, let's

731
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: have some sort of red meat.

732
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 3: And there we go.

733
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the day in the life of Desi's diet.

734
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 3: That and Blaze donut.

735
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are rare. You know, I'm not going to

736
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: earn them. But usually like you're running a ton and

737
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: you're like, man, I don't know why I'm craving donuts. Like, well,

738
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: I know why you're craving donuts cause you run one

739
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: hundred twenty miles this week.

740
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 3: Yeah that's yeah, that's nothing to shy away from.

741
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 2: So for you then on the road so much, I'm

742
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: in Boston for a week, how long are you in

743
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: town for?

744
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: By a week?

745
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's really when I would say.

746
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: A lot of people here are like nodding their heads.

747
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: They're like, that's really when trying to stay smart about

748
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 2: your diet, especially for you leading up to a big effort,

749
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 2: can be a little bit difficult. So how do you

750
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: navigate being on the road when it comes to trying

751
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 2: to put good things into your body? Yeah?

752
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: I wish I could say I'm a planner. I think

753
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: for this is again terrible. The biggest mistake that I

754
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: think a lot of elites make is not getting enough.

755
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: It's not like you're getting enough of the right things.

756
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: It's like if you're not getting enough at all, and

757
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: so I would rather eat the wrong thing and just

758
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 1: grab it and be like, hey, I know, I traveled

759
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: all day and my flight was delayed. I'm at the airport.

760
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,240
Speaker 1: I'm getting the sandwich in the bag of the chips

761
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: because I need something and these aren't that bad, and

762
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm hungry, and the chips sound really good and they're

763
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: better than not enough calories for the day. So that

764
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: to me is kind of the thing on the road

765
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: is like, yes, plan ahead if you can, like have

766
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: a game plan where you want to go, what are

767
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: you thinking you're going to try and eat? But if

768
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: all of it falls apart, you can't. You have to

769
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: be flexible too and go, you know what, I just

770
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: need something and I have to grab what's available, and

771
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: that looks good.

772
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: Right, And I feel as though sometimes that's just choosing

773
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: the lesser evil, so to speak. Right, Like, if in

774
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: your head you know what the options are, if you

775
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: can try to make smarter choices on the move, then.

776
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 3: That's the best thing that you can do.

777
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

778
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

779
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 2: When it comes to planning, another thing to plan to

780
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: the best of your ability is trying to think about

781
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: or visualize how you're going to feel during an effort. Now,

782
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: when it comes to visual let's bring it specifically to

783
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: the Boston Marathon. We reference your ninth time running this race.

784
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 2: You've had so many different finishes here. When you think

785
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: about what success looks like for des Linden, do you

786
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: think about twenty eighteen, do you think about the sprint

787
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: from twenty eleven?

788
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 3: Where does your mind go?

789
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: It's definitely shifted. You know, for so many years it

790
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: was picturing twenty eleven and getting that kick right. You know,

791
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: it's just fixing two seconds of the race. But this

792
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: year it's knowing where I'm at and running there to

793
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: the best of my ability. Not trying to compete where

794
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: I want to be, but run where I'm at and

795
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: maximize that fitness. And I think that is going to

796
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: allow me to surprise some people, because there will be

797
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: people that go, no, I'm going to do whatever the

798
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: front does and it's not even in their wheelhouse, Like

799
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: I can't be that person, but I can beat a

800
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: lot of those people.

801
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 2: Now that the times are so far asked right for marathoning,

802
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 2: If you go out in a race and you're not

803
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: in quote unquote the right pace, I use right and

804
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: lose air modes, but you're not in that right pace.

805
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 2: What do you do to maybe get out of that

806
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 2: self comparison mode and meet yourself where you're at?

807
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I hope I have an answer for that

808
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: on Monday.

809
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 3: I hope I don't go.

810
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the front's gonna be insane on Monday,

811
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: so I just like, really very practically, I think that

812
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: they're going to go so fast and I'm gonna have

813
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: to make that decision. But I mean, again, it's just

814
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: being very present and practical, like what am I ready for?

815
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: It's the whole you versus you or me versus me,

816
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm only battling myself out here. These things that

817
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: I can pick up along the way are really just

818
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: like carrots that help me draw more out of myself.

819
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 1: Thank you, competitors for helping me get the best out

820
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: of myself. And I mean that's all I can do

821
00:41:59,000 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: out there.

822
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: I love that.

823
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 2: And to go back to that twenty eleven race for

824
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: just a moment, obviously a really tough hurdle moment for you.

825
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: I mean I cannot even father what that must have

826
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 2: felt like in that moment picking yourself up from that.

827
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: I think a lot of us.

828
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: Can learn a lot about perhaps what you've learned in retrospect,

829
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: and maybe even if you could tell us a little

830
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: bit about what happened and maybe now reflecting on that

831
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: hurdle moment, what you have taken from it.

832
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think what was interesting was the rest of

833
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: the world was like, this was amazing, like such a

834
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: breakthrough race, And for me, I visualized winning that race

835
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: so many times. You know, when I saw Caroline Kalell

836
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: break the tape, that was the first time I hadn't

837
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: been the Boston Marathon champion in like six months, and

838
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm not gonna win today, like so

839
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: that it was really it was heartbreaking for me. And

840
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: the good thing about it was that was such it

841
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: was still a breakthrough, and I had to remind myself

842
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: of that, like you were here and you believed you

843
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: were here, but you still have to get it on

844
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: the page. So you validated, you know, that training and

845
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: it you know, it was a huge step forward for you,

846
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: So celebrate that and then mentally knowing that I could

847
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: compete with the best in the world, just that self

848
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: belief was warranted and should remain and that was something

849
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: that was going to be super valuable for going forward.

850
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: So I think for me, it's like, allow yourself to

851
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: be devastated for forty eight hours, and that's totally fine,

852
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: and sometimes it leaks in a little bit longer, but

853
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: then you just have to take all the lessons away

854
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: from it, the good things. And we tend to learn

855
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: the most from our failures and our shortcomings, and it's like, oh, yeah,

856
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: that's where the lessons are if you pay attention instead

857
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: of just be disappointed and upset. So forty eight hours,

858
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: and then.

859
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: I also feel like it's kind of what you said

860
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: about run in your own race, like you have to

861
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 2: process your own grief in your own way. That's not

862
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 2: to say that I would encourage someone to linger in

863
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: the malaise of a disappointment for months and months on end,

864
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: but yes, it's great advice that does is saying, like

865
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: take forty eight hours, but if you need a week,

866
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 2: take the week, like do what you need to do

867
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 2: to process so that you can move forward and learn

868
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: those lessons and properly like move forward, because if you

869
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: just like fast forward instead of like thinking about how

870
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 2: that made you feel, then.

871
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: You'll regret that in the long term.

872
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: That's true.

873
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 3: I'm sure a therapist would be like, come on this.

874
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: My sister is a therapist. So these are things I

875
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: hear all the time.

876
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: Okay, So what excites does right now outside of what's

877
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: going on here in Boston?

878
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 3: Like, where are you at? What's amping? What are you

879
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 3: amped about?

880
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 1: The new Brooks role, which we've talked about is. I mean,

881
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 1: that's like top of the list for me. I'm super

882
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: pumped about that. I do have a vac coming up,

883
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: so that's exciting.

884
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 3: Where are we going Italy?

885
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: So ten days in Italy? That'll be fun. But I'm

886
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: I finished the last three weeks of this segment more

887
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: optimistic than I've been in probably well a year. I mean,

888
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: I thought the fifty k was great. I felt really good.

889
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 1: I was very excited about getting back into into races,

890
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: and then had this kind of injury thing that I've

891
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: been dealing with. So the last couple of weeks of

892
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 1: this segment, I feel like I'm moving like myself again.

893
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: And so I don't know if it'll show on Monday,

894
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: I don't really care because I'm optimistic that it will

895
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: show again. So I'm excited about.

896
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 3: That, excited about that.

897
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: And if you when you think about Monday and you

898
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: visualize Monday, how.

899
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 3: Would you describe that you hope to feel?

900
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: What's funny you're asking the question. I was like, I

901
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: hope I'm suffering all day, Like I want to put

902
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: myself into the hurt locker and I want to stay

903
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: there as long as I can, and just like I

904
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: want to be dust when I cross the line. I

905
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: don't care what place I am, where I finish. You know,

906
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: you just want to know that you left it all

907
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: on the course.

908
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: I'm looking for words like valiant, triumphant. Des is like miserable.

909
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: Let's go look, we all know what we signed up for,

910
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: right Like is going to get hard, and that's what

911
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: we wanted. And we have that moment where we go

912
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: do we keep pushing or do we back off because

913
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: I can make this easier. I don't want to be

914
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:34,959
Speaker 1: that person. I want to make it hard as.

915
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 3: Hell, hard as hell? We love that, we love that.

916
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: We talked about identity a lot today and a word

917
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 2: that can go hand in hand with identity is legacy.

918
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 2: When you think about the legacy that Des Lindon is

919
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: leaving as an athlete, don't come to me with dog

920
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: lover test.

921
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 3: As an athlete, what do you think about? What comes

922
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 3: to mind?

923
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: I'm laughing because I just despise the word legacy. I

924
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: think legacy is like what do you want other people

925
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: to think about you? And I don't know if you

926
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: know this, Emily, but I don't give a chance. I

927
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: just I don't. I'm not I'm not doing things to

928
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: like be remembered or you know, any of those things.

929
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: I'm just doing them because I'm authentically curious and interested

930
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: in you know, I think if people want to dig

931
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: into that topic and pick something for me, that's fine.

932
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 3: Your choice, dog lover, Yeah, perfect.

933
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: Well, I'm so grateful that we had the opportunity to

934
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: do this again. I know that personally, this episode's coming

935
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 2: to the Hurdle Feed on Monday, so as it happens,

936
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: it'll be kind of a wild card of we're listening

937
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: to versus what they're seeing live and in the days

938
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 2: after that, if you could tell me what your best

939
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: race on Monday looks like?

940
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 3: What's your best race on Monday? Look like?

941
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm competing all day and I'm absolutely fried when I

942
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: cross the line. You know, you go, when did you

943
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: what would you change about your race? And I say

944
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. Would I like to be faster, yes, but

945
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: this was absol my best. This is it?

946
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 3: All right?

947
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 2: So the word you use there was fried. To finish

948
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: us off here, I want to ask you a two

949
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: part question. The first part of this question, you right

950
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 2: now can choose one word that sits with you for

951
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: the rest of twenty twenty two. I'll give you a

952
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 2: second to think about that, and I'll share my word

953
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: with you. My word for the rest of twenty twenty

954
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: two is bigger. I want to think bigger. I want

955
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 2: to make bigger goals. I probably want to step in

956
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: to maybe some of the hard work that I've laid

957
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: down and just like show up in a bigger way.

958
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 3: When you think about what your word is, what is it?

959
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: I love your word. That's great, thank you. Mine's not

960
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: going to be as fun. But nails And I'm not

961
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: talking about fingernails. I'm talking about you hammer away and

962
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: you put them in the wood, those nails, because I

963
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: just want to be tough as nails every day, and

964
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: I think that that you know is going to be

965
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: on the course. I want to be fried at the end.

966
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: I want to get out on days where I don't

967
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: want to just because you know what, I'm going to

968
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: be tough as nails to. I know that everything's saying

969
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: stay home or don't, but I want to make the

970
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: tough decision. And sometimes what people forget is that it's

971
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: not just about being like like tough, hard, but sometimes

972
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: making the tough decision is knowing when to back off

973
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: and relax. And that's hard too. So I want to

974
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: do hard things and I just like circle that is

975
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: like nails nails.

976
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 2: It's January first, twenty twenty three. You have gone balls

977
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: to the wall with nails. Yeah, okay, what is something

978
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 2: that's happened in your idyllic twenty twenty two? That is

979
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: an example of that. This is all hypothetically. I know

980
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 2: you're on the same page, of course, going to win something.

981
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that I see improvement in different

982
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: aspects of my life. But obviously this is so running centric,

983
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: Like if I can make a step forward from where

984
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm at on Monday and in the fall have a

985
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: better performance, then that's the success. And you know, I

986
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: want to take that tenacity and energy to cra and

987
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: all the different things that I'm involved in that some

988
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: of them I can't.

989
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 2: Talk about under embargo for now exactly well it does.

990
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,959
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for you. I think that the room

991
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: here can say the same. We will all be cheering

992
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: you on, not just on Monday, but as you step

993
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 2: into nailing away at the rest of the year and

994
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: whatever else is to come. So you know how it

995
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 2: goes on the show. Another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys

996
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: next time.

997
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: I love you.