1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: I am six forty. You're listening to the John and 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: Ken Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app. We're on 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: the radio from one until four, and then after four 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: o'clock you can hear the shows a podcast Johnny Cannon 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: Demand same show on the iHeart app. Welcome. Yeah. 6 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 2: Well, obviously one of the big stories is one that 7 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: occurred here in southern California. 8 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: There was a rally on Sunday and. 9 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: Thousand Oaks Pro Israel group was protesting this Free Palestine rally. 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,959 Speaker 2: There was some sort of altercation between a sixty nine 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: year old Jewish man by the name of Paul Kessler 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 2: and a fifty year old an identified man, and Kesler 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 2: went down and he died yesterday morning from his injuries. 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: He clearly hit his head. 15 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: We are learning more on the story from a news 16 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: conference held today in Ventura County about the whole story. 17 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: So let's bring on CAFI News. Is Chris Adler for 18 00:00:58,560 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: the latest details. 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: Ris, what's going on? Hey guys. 20 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 3: So we had a press conference earlier around tenacloth at 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 3: the Ventura County Sheriff's Department. That's where the sheriff said 22 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 3: that the suspect had been identified and In fact, the 23 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 3: suspect had stayed remained at the scene, cooperated with the 24 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: investigators and told and told police that he had was 25 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 3: one of the callers who actually called in the emergency. 26 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 3: He called nine to one one when Kesler went down. 27 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 3: He admitted that he had been in a confrontation with Kessler. 28 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 3: Uh The medical examiner says that Kessler. Kessler died from 29 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 3: blunt force trauma from an injury that he had on 30 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 3: the back of his head, so when he went down 31 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 3: and he hit the ground, that injury is what caused 32 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 3: his death. He did have other injuries on the left 33 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 3: side of his face, but those were not fatal injuries. 34 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 3: The sheriff said that those were not lethal. Sorry, we've 35 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 3: got an ambulance going by right now, guys, So. 36 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: Right, that's okay. 37 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: We can hear you find all hells distracting you. Then 38 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: you can take a moment, but we can hear. 39 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: You find. 40 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 3: Where's the pot this when I'm on with you guys 41 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: other times anyway, So we're here now at a West 42 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 3: Lake and Thousand Oaks Boulevard on the corner where Kesler died. 43 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: There is another press conference that we're waiting to start 44 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 3: here at one o'clock. I think we're just getting past 45 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 3: one o'clock, but they're about to start. 46 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: Now. 47 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 3: This is leaders in the Jewish community, this is rabbis, 48 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 3: and this is a witness here today that's going to 49 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 3: speak about what actually happened. One woman said earlier that 50 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 3: she witnessed the attack, that the fifty year old suspect 51 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: had hit Kessler over the head with a megaphone and 52 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 3: then Kessler went down. They were both on level ground, 53 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 3: but Kessler went down and hit his head. So she's 54 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 3: saying that there was in fact a megaphone involved. And 55 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 3: I just want to note, guys that I asked the 56 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 3: sheriff today if a megaphone had been located during a 57 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 3: search warrant when they searched a search warrant at the 58 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 3: suspects home in more Park, and he said he could 59 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: not comment on that. You guys, So, was. 60 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: He gesturing in anger with the megaphone and he happened 61 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: to hit this guy in the face or in the head, 62 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: or was an intentional attack that he got so angry 63 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: just lifted the thing up and clabbered them. 64 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 3: Well, that's the question, and there are conflicting reports, and 65 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 3: that's the issue. That was the basis of the conference. Today, 66 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: the sheriff says that there's conflicting reports coming from both sides. 67 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 3: But one woman who says she was there, says she's 68 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 3: the guy came over the Palestinian protesters, crossed the street intentionally, instigated, 69 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 3: started the argument with the pro Israeli protesters and hit 70 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 3: the guy hit Kessler over the head with the megaphone, 71 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 3: So she says it was intentional. We do not know 72 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: the specifics. We're trying to learn. We're trying to figure 73 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: that out at the sheriff's department says that that's where 74 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 3: the investigation lieses there's conflicting reports, but it is still 75 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 3: being investigated as a homicide. 76 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: No sign of any video of the moment, No, they don't. 77 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 3: If there is video, the sheriff would not comment or 78 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 3: he just said that the investigation is ongoing. He's not 79 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: going to come from my is the investigation by releasing 80 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 3: certain details. But you know, like I asked him again, 81 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 3: was there a megaphone involved? He said he could not comment. 82 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 3: He could not comment on the outcome of the search warrant. 83 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: So there are details that he was not able to divulge. 84 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 3: So we don't know if there's video of this happening. 85 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 3: If there is, he has not released it and is not. 86 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 3: He hasn't said anything about it. 87 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: So the fifty year old is not under arrest. He's free, 88 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 2: and they're still going to investigate this and decide something. 89 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was detained. He was detained, he was questioned, 90 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: and then he was released. He was not He has 91 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 3: not been arrested, So we want to make sure that 92 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 3: that is clear. He is he is not arrested. But 93 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 3: the sheriff did say that he is a suspect in 94 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 3: the case. It is being investigated, and so you know 95 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 3: that's where the investigation stands right now. You guys, you 96 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 3: know there is footage. There's video footage of Kessler lying 97 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: on the ground. I've posted it to my Instagram where 98 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: he's lying on the ground. Unfortunately, he had when he 99 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 3: lifts his head up, you can see a small of 100 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 3: blood under his head. Now it appears that that's the 101 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 3: injury the medical examiner says was the fatal injury. And 102 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 3: here a Jewish woman has actually colored a star of 103 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 3: Day that around the blood spot. It's still here, and 104 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 3: she's covered it around with candles kind of a way 105 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 3: of keeping it sacred, she says, And she's calling for 106 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 3: love and peace at this time. 107 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: And who's arranging this press conference that's supposed to happen 108 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: very soon, the one that the witness is going to 109 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: speak at. 110 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: These are local leaders, local leaders in the Jewish, in 111 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 3: the Jewish community at local temples, and a friend who 112 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 3: was at the protest, a friend and a witness to 113 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 3: what happened. 114 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: So the police aren't involved in this press conference at all. 115 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 3: No, there are no police here right now. 116 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: And this was for the most part a pro Palestinian 117 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: rally that I guess the Jewish people showed up on 118 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 2: the other side of the street. 119 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying. 120 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 3: That's no, that's not quite right, and that's still a 121 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 3: little fuzzy. But what the sheriff said is that this 122 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 3: was a whole protest where Palestinians were on one side 123 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 3: and pro Palestinians were on one side and pro Israeli's 124 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 3: were on another side. For witness accounts, witnesses are saying 125 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 3: that the Palestinian protesters walked over but we can't confirm that, 126 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 3: and that has not been confirmed by the Starch repirement either. 127 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 3: But they're saying that the pro Israeli protesters walked over 128 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 3: and I'm sorry, the Palestinian protesters walked over and kind 129 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 3: of instigated. But this was a dual protest, you know, 130 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 3: going on simultaneously, and this was Sunday, just after three o'clock. 131 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just saying that couldn't be in coincidence. They 132 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: picked the same block on opposite side. Somebody probably called 133 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 2: for a protest first, and then somebody saw the posting 134 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 2: and said let's go there and you know, be on 135 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: the other side of the street. 136 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: That's my guess. I don't think it happened. 137 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, what's interesting, you guys. I mean these you know, 138 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 3: initially when we when we first learned of this, we 139 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 3: had seen a photo surface of somebody in a in 140 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: a hood and a mask, and it looked like had 141 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 3: he was younger. But the person, the suspect, is actually 142 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 3: in his fifty So these are the they're older people 143 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 3: getting into a confrontation out here. And I spoke with 144 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 3: a gentleman from the Muslim community. He's a leader at 145 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: one of the mosques in Thousand Oaks, and he said, 146 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 3: you know, he showed up at the press conference and 147 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 3: he said, you know, the Muslims don't approve of this. 148 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 3: You know, he doesn't want to be you know, kind 149 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 3: of colored with the same pencil or crayon as other 150 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 3: you know, terrorist groups. And he says that he wants peace, 151 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 3: and he was devastated to hear about what happened to Kessler. 152 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: So he showed up in solidarity at the conference because 153 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: he wanted people to know that Muslims don't stand for 154 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 3: this kind of violence. And you should be able to 155 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 3: wait a Palestinian flag orn Israeli flagged next to each 156 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: other without it resulting in physical violence. 157 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: Okay, Chris, thank you for that report. We appreciate it absolutely. Guys, 158 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: you know, Chris Hadler seven five hundred and seventy three 159 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: miles between Thousand Oaks and Gaza City. I just do 160 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: not understand why people go out and scream in the 161 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: streets over something that's seventy five hundred miles away and 162 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: that they will have zero impact on. It's general. 163 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: Good luck with that, because it's happening all over the US, right, 164 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: I know, but it's it's just the rallies on both 165 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: sides everywhere. 166 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: I know that article. It's stupid human behavior. It's stupid behavior. 167 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: We're stupid beasts. We do dumb things, and we do 168 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: it for our own egos because we want to feel 169 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: like we're We've got to say in the world right, 170 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: we can control events. 171 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: They think they can influence us actions. 172 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: And that's and that's that's insane, that's nuts. There's there's 173 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: nothing anybody is gonna do by yelling in the street 174 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: that is going to stop Israel from doing what it 175 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: has to do to eradicate Hamas. So I don't I 176 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: don't understand running around seventy five hundred miles away in 177 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: California with a bullhorn yelling nonsense. It's just we're just 178 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: an idiotic species. We really are. We'll talk a little. 179 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: Bit more about the man who died and what we 180 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: know of him from his activities in terms of getting 181 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: involved in the Israeli Palestinian issue. 182 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: That and more coming up. 183 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 2: Oh, your chance to win money is next KFI AM 184 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: six forty Live everywhere iHeartRadio app. 185 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 186 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 4: AM six forty. 187 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: All right, well, we know the name of the man 188 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 2: who died after attending protests on both sides and thousand 189 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 2: Oaks his name is Paul Kessler. He was part of 190 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: the pro Israeli group protesting at a Free Palestine rally, 191 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: and apparently he fell backwards and hit his head, probably 192 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 2: on the sidewalk concrete pavement. Now the real question is, 193 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 2: and of course the blaring headline everywhere over the weekend 194 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: or yesterday as this story was being announced, was hey, crime, 195 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 2: hey crime, hey crime. Well, you know, if it's a homicide, 196 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: it's a murder. I really like to know exactly the 197 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: circumstances of it. So, as we just talked to Chris 198 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 2: Adler from KFI News, there are some conflicting reports that 199 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: the sheriff's investigators are getting up there in Ventura County 200 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: about what happened between Kessler, who I think is sixty nine, 201 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: and a fifty nine year old opposing protester, obviously a 202 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: pro Palestinian protester who came from the other side of 203 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: the street to get in the face I guess of Kesler. 204 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: Of course, it's conflicting because you're not going to get 205 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: necessarily the truth from people in opposing tribes here. Yes, 206 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: they're probably going to see it their way, right, Well, 207 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: they're going to see it the way that they want 208 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: to spin it to the public. Like a lot of 209 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: people just flat out lie. They want to protect their 210 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: own guy. They know they're lying. It's not that they 211 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: misinterpret what happened. It was probably pretty clear if you 212 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: were standing there. It's that they don't want to admit 213 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: to it. They don't want to damage their costs. Right, 214 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: So you're, for example, if you're a rabid Palestinian supporter, 215 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: and you must be, if you're out on the street 216 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: in the middle of the day on a Sunday, then 217 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: if your guy takes a megaphone and kills a Jewish protester, 218 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: well you're going to you're going to try to soften 219 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: that story and make it sound like it was not intentional. 220 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 2: Right, Well, I mean the Times, and I always believe 221 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: the Times. They described it as the Palestinian rally. I 222 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: don't know how many israel supporters showed up, but I 223 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: have a feeling they went there to counter. But yeah, 224 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: this guy came across the street to confront Kessler, which 225 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: he should not have done. He did stay at the scene. 226 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: He apparently called nine one one after Kessler went down. Right, 227 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 2: So you mix all these things together and it's still 228 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: an uncertain situation. But I mean the story that blaired 229 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: to yesterday was, you know, hit with a megaphone, and 230 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 2: he may have been hit with a megaphone, but probably 231 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: they were saying what killed him was the injury to U. 232 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: But he hit the thing, got hit in the face 233 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: with the megaphone, yeah, and then with injuries to his face, 234 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: then he dropped and banged his head on the cement. 235 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: And that happens all the time, where people hit their 236 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: head on concrete and that's it. 237 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: They're dead. But most organizations post their rallies online because 238 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: they want to attract in tract the media right right, 239 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: and so obviously the opposition is going to be tracking this. 240 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: You know, you just have to type in a hashtag 241 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: and figure out and you're going to go there because 242 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, counteracting the message in Thousand Oaks is really 243 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: going to make a difference. I wouldn't want them to 244 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: win that block in Thousand Oaks, now, would you. 245 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: I mean, these rallies could be everywhere. I know, you 246 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 2: realize they're kind of useful to people stand on the stream. 247 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: You should show me one that's bit effective. All the 248 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: rallies regarding this Palestinian war with Johnny kntest revolt from 249 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: two thousand and this one here. No, actually, you know 250 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: what mattered was the voting. The voting is what matters. 251 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: But standing seventy five hundred miles away, there's no election 252 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: going on here. It's the Benjamin Net and Yahoo doesn't 253 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: care about anybody yelling in the streets a thousand oaks. 254 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: I mean, this is just narcissism, malignant narcissism, that is, 255 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: and just animalistic behavior really, because it's like when one 256 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: monkey starts jumping up and down, then all the other 257 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: monkeys in the cage are going to start jumping up 258 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: and down. And that's basically what humans are. We're a 259 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: slightly more evolved form of monkey. So when one monkey 260 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: starts going oOoOO and the other monkeys are going ooh ooh, 261 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: that's that's humanity, the monkey analogy. I love it well, 262 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: because that's what we are. I wrote. 263 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: A local rabbi said that he did know Kesler and 264 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: his wife, but they hadn't been to the synagogue in 265 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 2: a while, but he said that he exchanged a few 266 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: emails with them over the years and called him a 267 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 2: man committed to peace and committed to Israel, but Kessler 268 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: was a frequent writer of letters to the editor of 269 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 2: The Thousand Oaks Acorn. Do you get that publication, John 270 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: in your home or? According to a former editor at 271 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: the newspaper, Kyle Jury that he had talked with Kesler 272 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 2: frequently on the phone about his submissions, many of which 273 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 2: were published. 274 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: So I don't know what they were all about Israel, 275 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: just about issues. 276 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: Apparently Kesler was an art and democrat described here, but 277 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: apparently when it comes to the Palestinian issue, probably a 278 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: little more hardline than you would expect. 279 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, those guys. We've got a couple of those 280 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: guys in my neighborhood. You know. They always got some 281 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: flag out. Yeah, they always got some candidates sign out. 282 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: They're always like daring a crazy person to come and 283 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: vandalize their property. 284 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: Sometimes people will focus on a very important issue to 285 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 2: them in their life and they become very active, including 286 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: John standing on a street corner on a Sunday afternoon. 287 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: I remember, friend of mine I've known a long time 288 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: told me one time, Oh yeah, my parents write letters 289 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 2: to the New York Times all the times about abortion. 290 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: They were fervent Catholics and pro life. When I call 291 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: it so. 292 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: I looked at them, like, I never really run into 293 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: anyone that's done that before. 294 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: Many letters, many letters, Oh I really get published. I 295 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: don't remember the answer. I used to read letters to 296 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: the editor and because they amused me. And after a 297 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: while I noticed it's all the same people over and 298 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: over again. Oh it is okay, it is you know. 299 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: The only ones I read now, Oh, are in the Times, 300 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 2: in the sports section, like about the Dodgers of the Rams, 301 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 2: just because I like, and the people the short opinions 302 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: of sports fans, fanatics, the people online who leave comments, 303 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: it's the same thing. It's a in fact for the 304 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: La Times, and they don't allow comments very much anymore. 305 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: But I noticed just reading a day to day it 306 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 2: was the same people over and over and over. Oh, 307 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: and you didn't allow comments because now there are professional 308 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 2: trolls who just want to get on there and instigate. 309 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 2: Think it's funny that they post something really really nasty. 310 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: They do, and then the right and then they get 311 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: to know at the Times some of the comments are 312 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: ripping the paper. So that's the whole thing is a 313 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: complete waste of time. Everything about it is phony or 314 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: it's just stupid, just a waste of energy. You know, obviously, 315 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: all those letters that your friend's parents wrote did not 316 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: change the New York Times opinion on abortion, nor did 317 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: it change any abortion laws in New York. 318 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: No, it did not know so although many years later 319 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: a Supreme Court decision was a little bit of earth 320 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: move for last year. 321 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: And I don't think it came from the letters. 322 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: And I don't know whether the New York Times took 323 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 2: to pro abortion a position for them. 324 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: I didn't really ask all this question. Probably all right, 325 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: we'll be right back. Oh, we got a great story. 326 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: It's a big investigation at calmatters dot org into the 327 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 2: big scam during the pandemic, the ripoff of California's unemployment fund. 328 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: They took a look at a lot of internal documents. 329 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: You know, we still had this Julie Sue hanging out. 330 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: They remember her. She used to head up the labor 331 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 2: department in California, now heads up the labor department at Washington, 332 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: d C. But can't be confirmed. Republicans are standing firm 333 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: and not confirming her in the US Senate to be 334 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: the actual Secretary of Labor. And she's involved, of course, 335 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 2: in this story from back in twenty twenty and how 336 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: so much money went out the door to people like prisoners. 337 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: Johnny Ken KFI AM six forty Live Everywhere iHeartRadio app. 338 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 339 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 4: AM six forty. 340 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: We're on the radio from one until four and then 341 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: after four o'clock it's the Johnny Can on demand podcast 342 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: same as the radio showing. You can listen to what you. 343 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 2: Missed all right, and you can connect to the voiceline 344 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 2: by using that app, the microphone icon or calling the 345 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 2: toll free number. Leave us a message of moistline calls 346 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: coming up on Friday one, eight seven seven Moist eighty six. Well, 347 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: we returned to a story we've talked about a lot 348 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: over the last three years, and that was the complete 349 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 2: ripoff of California's unemployment money. ED is the name of 350 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 2: the agency. It's called the Employment Development Department. Most people 351 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: for years would just say, oh, yeah, the unemployment department. 352 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: But that's kind of kind a negative slant. 353 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: We want to act like we're helping people, So it's 354 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: employment development, I don't develop it. It doesn't mean just 355 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: hand out money. They didn't like the word unemployment. They 356 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 2: denied You were right about the language so much has 357 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 2: happened in the last ten or fifteen years to change 358 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: war words. And I saw one the other day which 359 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 2: I hadn't seen it in a while. You know, sometimes 360 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 2: I say formally incarcerated. Those are people, you felons. But 361 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: the new one not new one, but the one I 362 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 2: saw they hadn't seen in a while was experience with 363 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: the justice system. 364 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: That one is really hysterical. Yes, I saw that. 365 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 2: What they worked in the jails right now, it's another 366 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 2: felon experience with the justice system. 367 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 1: Again, no stigma you if you see that, stop reading 368 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 1: that publication. I know it was a press release. I 369 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: was looking at it new stories. I've seen it in 370 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: news stories and it's like, Okay, I'm not going to 371 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: your site anymore, and I'm not believing anything you have there. 372 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: That's nonsense. 373 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 2: This story centers on, of course, the governor back in 374 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 2: twenty twenty, Gavin Newsom, Julie Sue who's the head of 375 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 2: the Labor Department for the state of California, and a 376 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 2: woman by the name of Sharon Hilliard who was the 377 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: EDD director at the time. 378 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: She retired at the end of twenty twenty. 379 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: She's long gone, so they focused as a glory long 380 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: article at calmatters dot org, which is worth the read. 381 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: But we can only have time to hone in on 382 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: a few things. 383 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 2: On March eighteenth, twenty twenty, the day before Newsom shut 384 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 2: down the state, the then labor secretary His then labor secretary, Sue, 385 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 2: wrote an email to this Sharon Hilliard woman and her deputies. 386 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: She wanted to know. 387 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: If the unemployment system was ready for whatever came next. 388 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 2: Do we need to do anything to shore it up 389 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 2: at this point to prevent problems, delays, or worse, a 390 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: system crash. I need you to work together to make 391 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: sure we are okay well. The answer at first from 392 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 2: the EDED, their IT director was systems performing fantastic. 393 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: He wrote the next day, big why. 394 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 2: Twenty four hours later, the scale of this began to 395 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: sync in and Sue and Hilliard exchange messages about the 396 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 2: pros and cons of expediting unemployment approvals by waiving some 397 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 2: eligibility requirements. Sue wanted to know if we kept those 398 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: requirements in place, what would that mean for processing times? 399 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 2: She wrote, Actually, what would the backlog situation be? 400 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: Hilliar? 401 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,239 Speaker 2: The brilliant woman answered, Oh, it would be months if 402 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: not well into next year makes me shiver just thinking 403 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: about it. Well, further on in this article, the experts said, no, 404 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 2: it probably would have been weeks, not months or years, 405 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 2: if they'd kept some of the basic eligibility requirements, like 406 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 2: checking whether or not somebody social security. 407 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: Number matches a prisoner on death row. On death row, 408 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: it's got Peterson. No. Yeah, if you saw a guy 409 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: named Scott Peterson and his address is San Quentin and 410 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: a cell number on death row, I don't think that's 411 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: gonna take weeks to figure out. No. 412 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 2: In fact, the person I'm talking about is Michael Horowitz, 413 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: who's Inspector General of the US Department of Justice and 414 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 2: chair of the Federal Pandemic Response Accountability Committee. He said 415 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 2: they set up a false choice. It would not have 416 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 2: been months, It could have been a week matching data, 417 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 2: and that was that the problem. 418 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: Well, that's just not you See, this is why I 419 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: always harp about intelligence. That's what an intelligent how an 420 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: intelligent person would analyze the situation. But a dumb, lazy 421 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: person who doesn't want to do the work or is 422 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: afraid of the criticism they'll get because of the of 423 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: the of the slow pace. Oh, I don't know that 424 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: sounds like too much trouble. That'll take a long time. Well, 425 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: I don't really want to deal with it. I need 426 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: a nap now. I mean, it's intelligence, it's a mindset, 427 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: it it's it's it's an analytical ability, which is a 428 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: function of your intelligence. I realized that. 429 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: Technology is probably pretty antiquated at DDD. But how tough 430 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,239 Speaker 2: would it be to check application social security numbers with 431 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 2: like a prisoner list of social security numbers? We also 432 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: learned at the time. Remember Knewsom didn't want that. I 433 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: thought that was a privacy invasion. 434 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: That was well, there you go, the chief genius there right, 435 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: chief genius, it's a privacy violation of a serial killer 436 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: if the government checks is social security number like that's 437 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: the problem is that government employees would know the social 438 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: security number of a serial killer. So it says here. 439 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: As claims flooded in, about sixty percent of them, including 440 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 2: many later suspectively fraudulent sailed through the automated application process. 441 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: The application for the Emergency Federal program for self employed 442 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 2: workers was particularly fast. 443 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: Remember that they added that. 444 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 2: Because they were rate of people that didn't write and 445 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: easy to gain. They found, for example, an applicant under 446 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 2: the name of Poopy Briches got through Poopy Bridges Nice. 447 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 2: The other forty percent were flagged for manual review. The 448 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 2: task force found, but they decided it was too long 449 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: to fit into the database, so a lot of those 450 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: got waved too. 451 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: There. I don't know if I mentioned, but I'm reading 452 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: a book about the whole cryptocurrency scam over the last 453 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: few years, and within the story that's told, which is 454 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:05,479 Speaker 1: an unbelievable, unbelievably fascinating story, there is in passing some 455 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: information about how the dark web works and how many 456 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: criminals are on the dark Web. And you have just 457 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of guys. 458 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: It's almost all guys, and they're buying and selling opioids 459 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: and children and women and guns, drugs, crypto curagy, and 460 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: everybody's paying in cryptocurrency right because it's difficult to track, 461 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: and the spread of this network is incredible, and the 462 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: speed in which everyone's able to jump on board the fraud, 463 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: like the frauds constantly change. In twenty twenty, the big 464 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: fraud was looting the US government in all the states 465 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: of this unemployment money. That was the fraud of the 466 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 1: year for this crowd. They're very quick to do it 467 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: on the Internet, and they spread the word here is 468 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 1: how you do it, and here's how you fill out 469 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: the form, how you get away with it, and then 470 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: you have the likes of this Susan Hilliard and Julie Sue. 471 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,959 Speaker 1: It's like, ooh, you know, shared Hilliard, Shared Hilliard. Now 472 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: Susan Hilliard wasn't any better. But the thing is they're 473 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: they're so far out of their league because these these 474 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: internet criminals are are like sick, twisted geniuses, and bureaucrats 475 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: are vegetables. The vegetables are not going to beat the geniuses. 476 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: It's impossible. 477 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: Bank of America collected more than four hundred and ninety 478 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: two million dollars in EDD debit card fees just from 479 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 2: March twenty twenty to December of twenty two. But they're 480 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 2: claiming that over a ten year period they lost money 481 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 2: on California's DD program, that their expenses were nine hundred 482 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 2: and twenty seven million dollars compared to six hundred and 483 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 2: eighty seven million in revenue. 484 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: Well, the original sin is that they have never upgraded 485 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: their infrastructure, their technology infrastructure to twenty twenty. Levels right, 486 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: this is all still running a nineteen eighties technology, and 487 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: so you get an unusual event where it seems half 488 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: the world who's accessing the system to get money, and 489 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people need the money right away. And 490 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: then nobody, nobody, nobody knows what to do, and they 491 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: have a system that's that's inoperable basically, and they have 492 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: people who are so slow witted that the genius guys 493 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: on the internet just bowl them over. It's it's like 494 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears bowling over a kindergarten team. That's that's 495 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: the reality of it. 496 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 2: All Right, We'll be right back, John and Ken kf 497 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 2: I AM six forty live everywhere iHeartRadio app. 498 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 499 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 4: AM six forty. 500 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 2: A couple of other nuggets in this Cal Matters story 501 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 2: on the EDD fraud that overwhelmed the state back in 502 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 2: the year twenty twenty during the pandemic. Est of its 503 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: still can hang anywhere from twenty to thirty billion dollars. 504 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: Got ripped off. 505 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: They talked to a long time employee, thirty year EDD 506 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 2: veteran we retired in twenty eighteen, but he said. For 507 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 2: a while there they started seeing IP addresses come in, 508 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 2: not just ineligible prison inmates, but IP addresses for people 509 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 2: that were in Israel, Uruguay and Pakistan. 510 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: Were coming in there. It was all over the world. 511 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 2: It was all over the world, because that's what they say, 512 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 2: Like you just said before, once somebody identifies an easy 513 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: fraud target, everybody jumps in. They get the word just 514 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 2: like the border's open. I was Biden's president. 515 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: In reading this book about cryptocurrency, there is a there's 516 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 1: a site on the dark web call They've closed it down, 517 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: but these things reopen all the time, Alpha Bay, and 518 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: it was a spinoff. It was a different version of eBay, right, 519 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: not connected to eBay is where you could buy opioids 520 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: and women and guns and all the child porno videos whatever. 521 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 1: And there were four At the time that this author 522 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: went online, there were four hundred thousand listings of things 523 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: that would be illegal to buy in the real world. 524 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: Four hundred thousand, I mean, is incredible how many bad 525 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 1: people there are. And they all coalesce on the internet 526 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: and they pay each other in cryptocurrency, and it's a 527 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: huge economy. And of course they found out that nobody 528 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: was enforcing these unemployment benefit laws. 529 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, here's a gem of a story. In 530 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 2: June of twenty fifteen, this is eight years ago. The 531 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 2: then EDED director Henning Junior, I have his first name here. 532 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 2: They gathered with people top employment officials at a hotel 533 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 2: in San Diego to talk about a new tech breakthrough. 534 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: Fraud detection is a service. 535 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: They had a software purchase one point seventy five million 536 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 2: dollar federal grant that they were going to. 537 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: Use to catch the fraudsters. 538 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 2: And in a test study they had flagged one hundred 539 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 2: and eighteen million of potential high value on employment fraud cases. 540 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 2: That's not a big chunk of the money paid out, 541 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 2: but one of the investigators said that would probably be 542 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 2: the tip of the iceberg. 543 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: Well, the next year, EDED suddenly pulled the plug. 544 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 2: On the whole fraud software package and it disappeared. So 545 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 2: another opportunity was lost. As Patrick Henning Junior. 546 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: They're not interested. It doesn't hurt their careers to be 547 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: involved in a bad fraud like this. Julie Sue is 548 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: not a labor secretary. She didn't suffer any any penalty. 549 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: And now this fraud story is three years old. Nobody cares. 550 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: Nobody brings it up in the media. Cal Matters wrote 551 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: about it about how many people read cal Matters. 552 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 2: It is one of the biggest taxpayer ripoffs in the 553 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 2: history of the country. 554 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: Right, but nobody cares. Nobody cares. It's faded away. Julie 555 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: Sue is the Labor Secretary, you know, she should be 556 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: going to jail for this, right, I mean, there should 557 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: be government incompetence to the point where you you go 558 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: to prison when you when you cost taxpayers tens of 559 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: billions of dollars. No, there's there's there's there's none of 560 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: that because nobody cares. 561 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 2: The other thing that happened was Bank of America did 562 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 2: not put chips in the debit cards, which, if you 563 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 2: know now, most credit credit card companies to insist on 564 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 2: having those security chips in there. Without those chips, they're 565 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 2: easy for scammers to uh to to be able to 566 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 2: copy your card. 567 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: Because it wasn't Bank of American information, it wasn't Bank 568 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: of America's money. They weren't on the weren't on the 569 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: hook to reimburse if the cards got stolen. 570 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 2: Oh no, it says you're in the story. They got 571 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 2: turned down. They were told by Edd no, we're not 572 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: going to do that, maybe because it costs more, I 573 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: don't know why. 574 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: Well, but they didn't. Bank of America should have walked away. 575 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: But ultimately, like on Bank of America debit cards, any 576 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: credit cards they're associated with, it all has chips because 577 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: if you have a Bank of America account and it 578 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: gets looted through fraud, you know they're on the hook 579 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: after the first fifty dollars. Right, So of course they're 580 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: going to put a chip on their debit cards, but 581 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: they're not on the hook for the good. They could, 582 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: they could suggest and ask, but ultimately the government said no, 583 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: and Bank of America went along with the program anyway, 584 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: because again not their money. 585 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 2: Remember years ago, I had a credit card and this 586 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 2: is before they did the chip and bedding, and I 587 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 2: went to I went I'm pretty sure it was a 588 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 2: gas station and I must have gotten I must have 589 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 2: attacked some device to be able to grab the information 590 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: off my card and I got ripped off. They went 591 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 2: to Vegas and went on a spending spree that year. 592 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 2: They were buying out all sorts of Apple computers and stuff. 593 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 2: And I had that I was like, what the hell 594 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 2: they go to write for electronics. Whenever we've gotten frauded, 595 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 2: first thing that shows up is best Buy. 596 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think. 597 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: What was an Apple store. Mine was an Apple story. 598 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: I spent twenty five thousand dollars. 599 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: I think it was. It's always it's always electronics because 600 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: these because then they could resell them and make you know, 601 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: thousands of dollars in some cases going on the internet, 602 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: but going to eBay, the real eBay. 603 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 2: You're just not convinced from this story that the Employment 604 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 2: Development Department has really done anything. Should this ever happen again, 605 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 2: it doesn't really seem to be the case. They'll tell 606 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 2: you they Well, of course, the other side of this story, 607 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: which is covered is all the people that had legitimate 608 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 2: claims who were denied and couldn't get their money. Right, says, 609 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 2: You're in the story that actually the frauds truce had 610 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 2: an easier time to getting applications in than that people 611 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: had legitimate claims. 612 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: Well, to me, this is grounds to recall governor, right, 613 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: but nobody did. When you're so incompetent that you blow 614 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: thirty billion dollars a tax money and the people who 615 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: had a legitimate claim to edd money didn't get it, 616 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: then you should be removed from power, and you should 617 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: be forced to take all your bureaucrats with you. Right, 618 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: Julie Sue should be gone. She shouldn't be the labor 619 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: secretary in Washington. But of course she got a promotion. 620 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: And Newsom is going for a promotion. He's running for president. 621 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: So they're never gonna They'll never fix this. If we 622 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: had a similar situation happened tomorrow, another thirty billion would 623 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: go out the door. They wouldn't have fixed the thing. 624 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, one of the longtime EDD employees said here 625 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 2: and says, no, the legislature was never interested in fraud. 626 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: They were not interested in doing anything about it. We 627 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 2: couldn't get them to invest any money in INSI fraud systems. 628 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,719 Speaker 1: They didn't care, no, because they never get punished for it. 629 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 2: And I know that from like the only guy we 630 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 2: get on the air is Jim Patterson, remember him. 631 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: One was really into this story. 632 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 2: But I would to say there was a lot of 633 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 2: legislators in Sacramento behind them, going yeah, I gotta. 634 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: Do something because and a couple of das got involved 635 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: in this. Because the Senate is what seventy two to 636 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: eight Democratic or something like that. Yeah, so what are 637 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: they suffering from? Nothing? Legislature's over two thirds democratic. Newsom 638 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: is one the easiest. Just tax money. 639 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 2: We'll just get some more, right, I saw a few 640 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 2: fraudsters got through, But we have to help the people. 641 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: Because Biden was sending, you know, billions of dollars to 642 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: California and that money was just printed up at a 643 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: nothing so it doesn't matter. It's fake money, and the 644 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: fake money gets spread around and that leads to inflation. 645 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: But hey, you know, I think I think Biden is 646 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: Biden is getting bit now by the inflation that he started. 647 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 2: Right, We'll be right back, John and Ken, caf I 648 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 2: AM six forty live everywhere, iHeartRadio. 649 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: App, Debramark Live in the KFI twenty four hour newsroom. Hey, 650 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: you've been. 651 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 2: Listening to the John and Ken Show. 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