1 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it is your boy, BC, the Brian Campbell. 2 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: This is Morning Combat. I'm one half of your hosting 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: duo alongside Luke Thomas. 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: Uh. You know what's a big fight week? 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: So much going on from Canelo returning and boxing Bellator Paris, 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: but of course UFC two seventy four from Phoenix, Arizona 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: this Saturday. 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: So today on. 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: The MK we got a little audio bonus, sois for 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: you as myself BC the Brian Campbell checking in with 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: Michael Chandler ahead of his All Action showdown against Tony Ferguson. 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: You're gonna wanna check this out. 13 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: Were those two defeats for Chandler the equivalent of moral 14 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: victories For a guy who creates fire and action everywhere 15 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: he goes fight of the year potential, believes a win 16 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: can get him back in that title picture. It'll be 17 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: interesting to hear Chandler talk about what could be at 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: stake for him with a big victory. He's using some 19 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: big names, including some welterweights that he's hoping to match 20 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: up against in the future. 21 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: On the flip side, we've. 22 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: Got UFC Women's straweight champion Rose nama Unis chatting with 23 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: Luke Thomas. She's got the rematch of the inaugural one 24 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen pound title. About a fight Rose nama 25 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: Unis lost to Carla Esparza in twenty fourteen. Here we 26 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: are eight years later, circling back. It's a big deal again. 27 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: Rose will talk about her mental preparation in evolution since 28 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: that first fight. Physical how maybe even a being slammed 29 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: on her head by Jessica Androge somehow medically fixed. 30 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: Her in a few different areas. 31 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: Interesting stuff to check out there, but you know, as 32 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: always leave a review, maybe even five stars if you 33 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: like what you hear right here from your MK boys. 34 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: I don't think anybody does it better. 35 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 3: Really. 36 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you're looking at an award winning combat duo 37 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: that'll hit you up all throughout the week. Live shows 38 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: of course Monday, Wednesday and Friday, but don't forget after 39 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: the big events. We are there this Friday after Bellator 40 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: Paris live Instant Reaction on the MK also Saturday after 41 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: UFC two seventy four and Canelo Bev all come to 42 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: an end. So we are your leaders in combat. We 43 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,399 Speaker 1: got you covered. Might Evan Fron and do a live 44 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: companion show during two seventy four. More details to come. 45 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: Ad Morning Combat on Twitter, Instagram. 46 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: Thank you, We're gonna toss. 47 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: To this audio now enjoy. Oh yeah, the last Action 48 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: Hero looking right at me. It's Michael Chandler. 49 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 4: How this guy? 50 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 3: You know you have? 51 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 2: Yeah? 52 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: UFC two seventy four, May seventh, three gigantic fights atop 53 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: that marquee in Phoenix, and Michael Chandler, you'll be one 54 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: of them against the craziest man on Earth, Tony Ferguson. 55 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: And I know I've seen some of your comments this 56 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: week saying, you know, you know this is gonna be 57 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: a tough fight. 58 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: Because nobody knows what that guy's gonna do. 59 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: But Michael Chandler, that guy's thirty eight, he's riding a 60 00:02:58,639 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: three fight losing streak. 61 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: Does that make him more dangerous because he's that wounded animal. 62 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. 63 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, back you back someone into a corner, that's when 64 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 5: that's when they really come out fight. And so I 65 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 5: think Tony Ferguson he's prime and ready for maybe a resurgence. 66 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 5: I think Tony Tony still feels like, you know, in 67 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 5: his mind, he's still one of the top guys. And 68 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 5: you always got to remember, you know, you're fighting the 69 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 5: toughest guys on the planet at one hundred and fifty 70 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 5: five pounds. So you lose a couple of fights, it's 71 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 5: not because you've necessarily lost a step. 72 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 4: It's not indicative of losing a step. 73 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 5: It's it's indicative of the strength of schedule and how 74 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 5: tough these fights are in the top of the division 75 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 5: in the UFC. 76 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 4: So you know, look at myself. I've got two. 77 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 5: Losses in a row, but I lost to the two 78 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 5: guys that are fighting for a title just two fights 79 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 5: after me on May seventh. 80 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 4: We can all win or lose on any given night. 81 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you are, You're running a two 82 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: fight losing street. 83 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: Yet no one's talking about that because I feel like 84 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: this is like, you know, there's no moral victories in 85 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: this fight. 86 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: Game, but those are pretty damn good wins those two 87 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: losses you had. Do you feel the same way I do? 88 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 5: Actually, you know, like you said, you know, moral wins 89 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 5: don't exactly pay the bills and provide for the family, 90 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 5: but but they do. 91 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 4: They do give you that little extra energy, that little 92 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 4: extra significance. Man, the love and. 93 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 5: Just support that I've had since I came over to 94 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 5: the UFC has been absolutely mind boggling. You know, the 95 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 5: platform is so big, the stage is so big, the 96 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 5: lights are so bright, and uh, it's been nothing but action, 97 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 5: action packed fights since. 98 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 4: Day one, since Dan Hooker in January and Abu Dhabi and. 99 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 5: Then world title fight after that, and then capping it 100 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 5: off with the Fight of the Year at the end 101 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 5: of the year with Justin Gatchee. 102 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 4: So it's been nothing but fun. 103 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 5: And I think I've proven myself and solidified myself as 104 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 5: a lot of people must see TV fighters. And that's 105 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 5: what I've always wanted to do. I want to make 106 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 5: people feel something, and uh, it's gonna be no different 107 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 5: on me. Seventh vintage Michael Chandler. Bite down in your mouthpiece, 108 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 5: go out there, put together a performance that hopefully puts 109 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 5: it puts out Tony of Tony Ferguson's lights. 110 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: Uh, you came really freaking close to winning the UFC 111 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: Lightweight Championship. And I know that you can say the 112 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: write things in the interviews, but else you know, you're 113 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: a freaking competitor man. 114 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 3: You live for this. 115 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: Do you sometimes wake up in the middle of night 116 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: and be like, what the hell man was that close 117 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 2: to being the champion? 118 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 5: No, I think, uh no, not really because man, I 119 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 5: I don't even remember who the referee was. It wasn't 120 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 5: Dan Murgy Lada, no mer Herbdane, who knows, But I 121 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 5: don't remember who the referee wanted. So it was a 122 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 5: big time ref And in the sport of mixed martial arts, 123 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,679 Speaker 5: it's left up to you know, human interpretation and human 124 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 5: instinct inside inside of there. There's been numerous times where 125 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 5: a ref pulls me off of them and I'm like, 126 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 5: that guy had had a little bit left in him. 127 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 5: You didn't need to stop at that fast. It just 128 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 5: happens the sport of mixed martial arts. So I got 129 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 5: no regrets. 130 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 4: I really don't. 131 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 5: I sleep well at night knowing that I'm putting my 132 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 5: best foot forward and the cards have fallen how they 133 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 5: have fallen in my couple losses. But no matter what, 134 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 5: the fans know who I am, they know how I fight. 135 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 4: They love watching me fight. 136 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 5: May seventh, people will tune in on pay per view 137 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 5: and people and they We've already filled and sold out 138 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 5: the the arena there in Phoenix, So it's gonna be fun. 139 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 4: Man. I can't wait to make that walk with the 140 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 4: draped in the American flag? 141 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: Is there any negative side to being an action star 142 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: at this point in your career? Meaning is anybody from 143 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: a coach to a family member to a promotion official, go, hey, man, 144 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: your fastball's great. Maybe maybe take a little couple miles 145 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: per hour off it and they'll see what's gonna happen here. 146 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: I mean, the fans love it, but you know, strategy wise, 147 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 2: is it always the best move for you? 148 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 3: Not always. 149 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 4: It's definitely not always the best path to victory, you know. 150 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 5: I mean, granted, you know when we talk about the 151 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 5: Justin Gatchee fight, which went down his Fight of the 152 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 5: Year and hopefully makes it into the Hall of Fame 153 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 5: and the Fight Wing sometime soon. 154 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 4: I think I was caught up in the moment. 155 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 3: Man. 156 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 5: You put any human being in the middle of Madison 157 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 5: Square Garden with that many screaming fans, and you look 158 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 5: at your opponent with cross eyed and on roller skates. 159 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 5: After you get them hurt, you start smelling. You didn't 160 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 5: start smelling blood, and you throw caution into the wind. 161 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,799 Speaker 5: I couldn't hear my coaches, couldn't hear anything. Don't remember 162 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 5: much about the fight. So it just h I was 163 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 5: an autopilot and luckily for me, autopilot is U is 164 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 5: wildly entertaining and indomitable. 165 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 4: But uh, you know, I think you'll see Yeah, I've 166 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 4: shown shades of a. 167 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 5: You know, a smart and sharp, composed and confident, more veteran, 168 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 5: and I think you'll see that on Saturday next Saturday night, 169 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 5: May seventh. And uh, but when I smell blood, I'm 170 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 5: coming for the finish. 171 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, is there any way 172 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: a fight between you and Tony Ferguson in the year 173 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two could be anything. 174 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: But a war? You're saying, maybe, you know, maybe it 175 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: can be a little strategic. 176 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll definitely be strategic. 177 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 5: I think I I think I just out I think 178 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 5: I I outclass them in all all fats as of 179 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 5: mixed martial arts. That's my personal opinion, But obviously everyone 180 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 5: has to have their own opinion, and my opinion of 181 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 5: myself is high. I have to I got to go 182 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 5: out there and fight a guy in a cage for 183 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 5: crying out loud. 184 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 4: So my confident in my. 185 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 5: Skill set, my confidence in my my preparation is second 186 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 5: to none, and I think we go out there, touch 187 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 5: gloves and I I go out there, look for look 188 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 5: for a finish, but in a calculated manner, and if 189 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 5: if the the leather starts flying, we'll we'll enjoy that 190 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 5: as well. 191 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: Uh what what do you look at as what's tangibly 192 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: at stake in this fight? 193 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 3: For you? 194 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 5: Honestly, I think there's a couple different Uh. I think 195 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 5: there's a couple of different options after this fight. Obviously, 196 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 5: with with a win, I think I go out there 197 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 5: and beat Tony Ferguson. But I think there's not a 198 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 5: mixed martial arts fan alive, a combat sports fan alive 199 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 5: that doesn't want to see me rematch Charles Olivera or 200 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 5: Justin Gaechee. So either way, the winner of the main 201 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 5: event on May seventh, I think everybody wants to see 202 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 5: me fight those guys, especially Justin Geechee in a five 203 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 5: round title fight. 204 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 4: You kidding me? 205 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 5: That is Musty TV is gonna be a huge pay 206 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 5: per view, And if that doesn't happen, I think Connor's 207 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,599 Speaker 5: coming back. There's some other other big fights in the 208 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,599 Speaker 5: division as well as some fights at one seventy. But 209 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 5: for me, I'm just excited about continuing to find my 210 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 5: best self, you know. That's that's what That's where I've 211 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 5: continued to endeavor and tried to become. And Tony Ferguson 212 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 5: is the perfect next opponent I think for that, I'm 213 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 5: gonna go out there and do what I always do, 214 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 5: put on a show and put his lights out. 215 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: I don't assume you're a guy that spends much time 216 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: looking in the rear view, but when you see your 217 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: old stomping grounds in Bellator produce a fantastic two fight 218 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: series with AJ McKee, Patricio Pitbull, and we're kind of saying, 219 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: look the two faces of the franchise, you know, the 220 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: one of old and the one of new, squaring off. 221 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: I don't hear a lot of Michael Chandler in that sentence, though. 222 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't see those guys in the David 223 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: Buster's commercial if you ask me, all. 224 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 5: Right, yeah, man, I was a David Buster star. Man, 225 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 5: I just did a couple of commercials. No, I honestly, 226 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 5: I didn't follow those fights. 227 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't see him. 228 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 5: I think I saw the finish in the first one, 229 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 5: and I think I might have saw a highlight of 230 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 5: the second one. 231 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,599 Speaker 4: I missed him both, but yeah, you know it. The 232 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 4: industry moves on quickly. 233 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 3: You know. 234 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 4: Bellatore has moved on quickly, that's great, And I have 235 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 4: moved on quickly, that's for sure. So I think I'm 236 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 4: in a good spot. They're in a good spot. They're 237 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 4: doing their thing and putting on fights, and more power 238 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 4: to everybody. 239 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: When you look at who you haven't fought yet in 240 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: your career, and I'm not saying you are not still 241 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: in the title picture, you very much are. Victory May 242 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: seventh against Tony Ferguson, like you said, could put you. 243 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: Right back there. But who do you crave to fight? 244 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: Knowing your ability to make all time great moments in 245 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: this cage from Maddie Alvarez back in the day through 246 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: your last three, who are you itching to get in 247 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: there with? 248 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 5: It's a good question, you know. Obviously number one goal 249 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 5: is is whoever gets me to the title? You know, 250 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 5: I think running it back with Charles Olivera, running it 251 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 5: back with Justin Gaegee, especially with title implications on the line, 252 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 5: Connor the with for the the magnitude of it. It's 253 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 5: not the red panting at it. It's not the money 254 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 5: I want. I want a huge fight in the most 255 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 5: amount of eyeballs. And there's a couple other guys with 256 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 5: huge names and huge reach inside the sport Diez Porier, 257 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 5: Masvidal Covington. I know some of these guys are welterweights. 258 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 5: I am, by no means a small lightweight. Nor do 259 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 5: I like to make one fifty five. It takes about 260 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 5: twelve weeks of perfect diet and I'm about tired of it. 261 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 5: But all of those are are huge fights and big fights. 262 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 5: But those are the names on my list, I would say, 263 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 5: But ultimately. 264 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 4: Maybe you know Max Holloway. 265 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's hard because he's I would never 266 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 5: ever say anybody's name who is lighter than me. I 267 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 5: would all I would say, guys are who are heavier 268 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 5: than me, but not lighter than me, But that would 269 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 5: be a huge fight. Volkanovski has talked about coming up. 270 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 5: He had a Freudian slip and said my name the 271 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 5: other day when he meant getchee. I think, but uh no, 272 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 5: I mean, obviously I want to fight lightweights and welter weights. 273 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 5: I got no problem making welter weight because that would 274 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 5: be a lot more fun than one fifty five. 275 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: But you have to adjust what you do at all 276 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: at welterweight against a super elite, knowing that you know 277 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: you're not the tallest lightweight. Although height doesn't win fights, 278 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: what would be the challenge for you at walter weight. 279 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 4: No, I think it's more just the height, the height advantage. 280 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 5: I mean when it comes to strength, speed, power, I 281 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 5: am stronger than all those guys in the weight room. 282 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 5: I grapple and spar with all those guys in the 283 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 5: sparring room, so I'm not I'm. 284 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 4: Not deficient in any of those areas. 285 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just the fact that most welterweights are above 286 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 5: six foot easily. But you saw what I did with 287 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 5: Dan Hooker. I fought tall guys my entire career. So 288 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 5: did Mike Tyson, and he knocked them all out. So yeah, 289 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 5: I think I'm not talking about a move to welterweight, 290 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 5: you know, necessarily and going and fighting for the welterweight gold. 291 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 5: But there's some guys who have decided they're not They're 292 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 5: one fifty five pounders who are fighting at one to 293 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 5: seventy now who just decided not. 294 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 4: To cut weight. 295 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 6: Me. 296 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 4: I'll cut weight all day long. 297 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 5: When it comes to continuing to move forward in getting 298 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 5: a title shot and fighting for the UFC Gold. 299 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 4: But if it's not on line, it's a little bit 300 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 4: hard to keep on making that weight. 301 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: I have to assume cutting weight is a lot like moving. 302 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: So my dad, who moved us as a kid seven times, 303 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: declared each time, this is the last time we're ever moving, 304 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: because moving sucks. Do you have that same feeling about 305 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: cutting weight each time? 306 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 5: Well, a little bit, especially for me, because I've been 307 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 5: competing in the one hundred and fifties ish since I 308 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 5: was six teen years old. I wrestled one fifty two 309 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 5: in high school, wrestled one fifty seven for five years 310 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 5: in college, and I've been fighting one fifty five for 311 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 5: thirteen years andll be fourteen years in August. 312 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 4: So my body has progressively gotten bigger. 313 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 5: And bigger and bigger, and I keep on coming back 314 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 5: down to the one hundred and fifties, which is not 315 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 5: very fun. 316 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 4: But I make no complaints. I love my life. I 317 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 4: love this game. 318 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 5: I love the sport of mixed martial arts, and a 319 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 5: necessary evil is whittling my body down to one hundred 320 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 5: and fifty five pounds or in this case, one hundred 321 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 5: and fifty six. But you know, like I said, if 322 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 5: I'm still on the path to winning that title or 323 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 5: fighting for that title, I'll make one fifty five all 324 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 5: day long. 325 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 4: I'll make whatever I need to to do it. 326 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if the nine if nineties music fills 327 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: up your playlist like like a washed old guy like me. 328 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 1: But when I hear you Know, Sublime saying fucking fighting, 329 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: it's all the same. I've got to believe when you're 330 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: in the midst of an absolute war. I'm not saying 331 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: you're having to fight orgasms, but I'm saying, is it 332 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: all the same? I mean, there has to be an 333 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: addiction level to bring you back to this all the time. 334 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. 335 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 5: I I think I only look I only look back 336 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 5: on crazy fights and performances and think, man, Okay, that 337 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 5: was awesome. 338 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 4: But it wasn't just because I loved it. It's because 339 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 4: I knew the. 340 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 5: Reaction from the fans, the reaction from the people who 341 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 5: have seen me work tirelessly over the last couple of 342 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 5: decades since I was a wrestler. And it's more just 343 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 5: knowing the future that some fights are gonna end up 344 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 5: in the Hall of Fame, or it might even cement 345 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 5: me as a Hall of Fame guy, what it means 346 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 5: to create a legacy and make people feel something. But 347 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 5: I don't exactly love the carnage of it, even though 348 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 5: when you go back and watch it it looks like 349 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 5: I am absolutely on cloud nine. I don't exactly love it, 350 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 5: but it luckily I have that gene. 351 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 4: I think you can't. 352 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 5: It can't be taught, it can't be bought, it can't 353 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 5: be borrowed. Either you have that savage gene inside of 354 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 5: you or you don't, And luckily for me, I have 355 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 5: it in droves, sometimes arguably too much. 356 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: Where do you think that comes from? 357 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 4: I don't know. 358 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 5: I think i've I've I've spent a decade visualizing myself 359 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 5: as as a as a crazy person inside of the cage. 360 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 5: I think I live between two extremes extreme joy, happiness, 361 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 5: peace and and and servant servant hood and zeal for life, 362 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 5: and then the other extreme of crazy, psychopath killer inside 363 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 5: of an octagon, and somewhere in between is who you're 364 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 5: getting to talk to right now. But I think I 365 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 5: have visualized it, I have trained as such, and I 366 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 5: think you know, I think it was Ray Lewis said 367 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 5: you gotta be pissed off for greatness. 368 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 4: You know, sometimes you're. 369 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 5: Just like, man, I want to I want to be 370 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 5: great so bad that it's so innate inside of me, 371 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 5: and it's so coursing through my veins with every single 372 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 5: thing that I do, every single moment that I'm in 373 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 5: the kitchen eating what I don't want to eat, every 374 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 5: single mile when I'm running on the on the road 375 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 5: or on the bike, when I don't want to do it, 376 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 5: all the sparring sessions I don't want to do, the 377 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 5: time away from my family, it all just builds up 378 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 5: and builds up and builds up, and you can only 379 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 5: you can only pull yourself out of those really tough, dark, 380 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 5: painful scenarios inside of the mixed martial arts competition if 381 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 5: you have laid the foundation of extreme discipline and extreme 382 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 5: ownership of being able to And I've done it since 383 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 5: I was thirteen years old, and I'm well versed in 384 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 5: the hand to hand combat, and i love competing against 385 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 5: another man with all eyeball. 386 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 2: Zombie, You're a great athlete. 387 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: We know about your amateur wrestling background, but you are 388 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: so explosive as an athlete. Sometimes I imagine you had 389 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: to be pretty damn good across the board. What was 390 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: your best sport before committing down the amateur wrestling slash 391 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: fight game. 392 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 5: I mean, I played a lot of baseball that doesn't 393 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 5: take a ton of athleticism. I played a little bit 394 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 5: of football, but I was ninety seven pounds soaking wet 395 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 5: my freshman year, so I played left out roade the bench. 396 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 5: But wrestling was my bread and butter. Obviously, you told 397 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 5: me there's. 398 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: No coach that couldn't put yet half back and put 399 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 2: a ball in your hands. I mean, what am I 400 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: missing here? 401 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 4: I just I wasn't good enough. I really wasn't, you know. 402 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 5: I mean my claim to fame was I scored two 403 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 5: touchdowns against U City my senior year before getting a 404 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 5: high ankles trained and roll on my ankle that that game, 405 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 5: and then broke my wrist a couple weeks later. So 406 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 5: I basically quit the team because I was like, I 407 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 5: got to go win a state championship in wrestling. But 408 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 5: I think when you watch the way that I work out, 409 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 5: I have just continued to push the envelope of what 410 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 5: what mixed martial artists should do or can do in 411 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 5: the weight room. I want to be fast, I want 412 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 5: to be explosive. I want to be able to jump high. 413 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 5: I want to be able to move fast. I want 414 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 5: to be able to change angles. I want to be explosive. 415 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 5: You know, I'm not into lifting slow weights and getting 416 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 5: a pump. I want my body, from head to toe 417 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 5: to constantly becoming be becoming a better athlete. The better 418 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 5: athlete doesn't always win inside the sport of mixed martial arts, 419 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 5: but you sure aren't doing yourself any disservices by becoming 420 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 5: the best athlete that you possibly can. So that's why 421 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 5: I train the way that I do. That's why I 422 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 5: think I'm so explosive. That's why my power has continued 423 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 5: to grow over the years, and my explosivity has been 424 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 5: able to grow over the years and to testament the 425 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 5: hard work of training. 426 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: All right, final question here, Michael Chandler. We can't wait 427 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: to see you back, Tony Ferguson. It sells itself UFC 428 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,479 Speaker 1: two seventy four. But I'm looking up and down your 429 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: your your fantastic career record, and there's a few that 430 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: I think could answer this question. 431 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: But what's your best night at the office? 432 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I could easily say when you 433 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: put it on Patricky when he had that porn star mustache. 434 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 2: It was a pretty good night. It was a quick night. Though, 435 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 2: what's the best version of you that's ever walked into 436 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 2: a fighting. 437 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 5: Cage stylistically and technique wise and most confidence wise. 438 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you two answers. It's a two part answer, Okay. 439 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,239 Speaker 5: All the years that built up that I never never 440 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 5: quite knew if I was going to make the jump 441 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 5: to the UFC or test free agency, The pressure that 442 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 5: was on me leaving Bellatur, the virtual certainty of bellatour 443 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 5: knowing that I was the company guy, I was the 444 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 5: face of the franchise. I had a road laid out 445 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 5: to me for the next twenty thirty years after fighting 446 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 5: if I wanted. 447 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 4: To all that pressure. 448 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 5: Stepping into the octagon against Dan Hooker in my UFC 449 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,239 Speaker 5: debut and then putting on the performance that I did, 450 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 5: I think that was the best version of myself. But 451 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 5: I can tell you the single greatest moment of my 452 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 5: career was after I submitted Derek Campos years before, because 453 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 5: that was my first win in almost almost two full years, 454 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 5: six hundred and eighty eight days, three fights in a row, 455 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 5: I went without winning a fight, and I made so 456 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 5: many mistakes in that time, beat myself down. I was downtrodden. 457 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 5: I wasn't quite sure if I was ever going to 458 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 5: fulfill this promise that was all my life, that I 459 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 5: was supposed to be a world champion again. 460 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 4: But that was the greatest moment of my life. 461 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 5: Because conquering another man is great, but conquering oneself is 462 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 5: worth its weight in gold. 463 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,959 Speaker 1: Oh, inspirational stuff here from the Gray Iron Mike Chandler. 464 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: Great chat with you man. Best of luck to you. 465 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 2: You know, swing for the fences. You know you're really 466 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: good at that, so we're happy to see it. 467 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 4: Okay, I might as well see you May seventh. 468 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 3: My next guest is in the co main event of 469 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 3: UFC two seventy four, when she defends her title against 470 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 3: Carla Esparsa, the second time she'll be fighting Esporza. Of 471 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 3: course this would be also be an incredible strawweight contest. 472 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 3: It's my friend and yours. It is Rose nominunis high Rose. 473 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 3: How are you? 474 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 4: I'm good? 475 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 6: How are you? 476 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 3: I'm doing quite well. 477 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 2: Rose. 478 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 3: It is really remarkable. I was going over your record. 479 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 3: You have since twenty seventeen basically been going and fighting 480 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 3: the same opponents that you already had. This one is 481 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 3: not a back to back in the sense that you 482 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 3: fought as far as a previously. Now there's been a 483 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 3: gap and you're fighting her again. Have you ever just wondered, like, Wow, 484 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 3: when am I going to get an opponent that I 485 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 3: haven't had? Me? 486 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, give me some fresh meat. And I'm 487 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 6: just kidding. But uh I, it's funny because that is 488 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 6: true for the last the last three opponents, you know, 489 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 6: besides Carla, it's been immediate rematches. For me, this one 490 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 6: feels like brand new just because it has been so long. 491 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 6: But it's technically it is still a rematch. But in 492 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 6: contrast to the last, however long, it does feel it 493 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 6: does feel fresher. 494 00:20:58,320 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can imagine that. I'll circle back to that 495 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 3: the second. But going back to like, for example, the 496 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 3: J Check camps or the Androge camps, we're when you 497 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 3: have an opponent you have to fight back to back 498 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 3: like that, How does it alter the camp from where 499 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 3: you would ordinarily go? And I guess is it a 500 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 3: benefit because you really get to drill down? And I 501 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 3: guess on a lot of the same specifics, or am 502 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 3: I mis misunderstanding it. 503 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that you get a lot more like 504 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 6: material to work with, and then you go and then 505 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 6: you kind of like sort of you have these certain 506 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 6: ideas of like, well, they have to try to do this, 507 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 6: or you know, this is the most likely scenario of 508 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 6: this certain situation, and then it's like, well but you 509 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 6: never know, like you always have that like you gotta 510 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 6: be prepared for anything type of a thing. So well, ultimately, 511 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 6: like like those are the conversations that you kind of 512 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 6: have on game planning and stuff, and then ultimately it's 513 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 6: always just about my my development because it always goes 514 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 6: back to that. Like it's usually like coincidental. I don't 515 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 6: know if it's coincidental, but it's just like, no matter 516 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 6: who it is that I'm fighting, it be in a 517 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 6: rematch or whatever, usually the the next thing that I 518 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 6: need to develop in my skill set as a martial 519 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 6: artist is what ends up being the game plan. 520 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 4: For my opponent. 521 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 3: Can you give me an example of that to help 522 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 3: me better understand the point? 523 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 6: Well for this fight, obviously, there's no mystery that that 524 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 6: Carla likes taking people down and uh in, and that 525 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 6: is something that I've really uh like just uh I'm 526 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 6: I'm a very offensive fighter, So that's something that I've 527 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 6: worked on, is like self control and and and my defense. 528 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 6: Really solidifying my defense and and just that also another 529 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 6: thing that I need to to kind of that I've 530 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 6: that I've had to work on. It's like my self 531 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 6: control and my my discipline and consistency, and that's always 532 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 6: kind of been a regular theme throughout my career, but 533 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 6: like for this fight in particular, that's been a very 534 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 6: huge focus. And that's what Carlo's good at. She's really disciplined, 535 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 6: really consistent. She very very rarely ever strays away from 536 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 6: like what she's like her game plan. Whereas for me, 537 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 6: it's like I can do so many different things, so 538 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 6: it's easy for me to get like sidetracked, and you know, 539 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 6: I could throw a thirty sixty spinkick or I can 540 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 6: karate chop you like you know what I mean, Like 541 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 6: it doesn't matter. So for me, it's like it's it's 542 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 6: all about staying disciplined and focus on just like simplicity. 543 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 3: What would you say was the biggest thing you got 544 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 3: out of the entire jcheck camps back to back in 545 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 3: the fights and then also the androge ones when those 546 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 3: were over. When you look back on it, what were 547 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 3: like maybe the single biggest things you got from those experiences. 548 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 6: Well, with Johanna, I would say I got I would say, 549 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 6: even though I've been in a five round fight before, 550 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 6: then the rematch with her, I felt like that was 551 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 6: like the real first kind of war that I had 552 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 6: as far with what you kind of maybe categorized as 553 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 6: like okay, I kind of had the weather, some weather, 554 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 6: a little bit of damage, and then with Andres, I 555 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 6: mean that was just a complete total like stripping away 556 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 6: of like any innocence as far as like I mean, 557 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 6: I got my uh, I got slam on my neck, 558 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 6: and then I got my nose broken a second fight, 559 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 6: so even but I but I was so like the 560 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 6: first fight was so different from the second fight as 561 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 6: far as like, yeah, like I had sustained I didn't 562 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 6: really actually sustain any damage, even though I got like kao, 563 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 6: but my my actually the neck problems that I had 564 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 6: went away after getting slammed in my neck, which is 565 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 6: kind of weird. It was sort of a miracle for me. 566 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 6: But I came on out of that fight on skates basically, 567 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 6: whereas the second fight totally different. I had zero quid 568 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,239 Speaker 6: in me. I was. I was ready to die in there. 569 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 6: I didn't care if she I ain't care about my 570 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 6: face being busted up or anything, even though it hurt. 571 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 3: It was like. 572 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 6: I came out of that fight like victorious, but I 573 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 6: was damaged and so but actually it was also a 574 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 6: blessing in dis guys too, because I ended up getting 575 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 6: my deviated septum fixed, and that was something that was 576 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 6: bothering me for like seven years. I had like my 577 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 6: septum was like pushed up into my nose and it 578 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 6: was really hard for me to breathe. I had sinus 579 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 6: problems for so long, and so having that fixed is 580 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 6: like a game changer for me. And yeah, so it's 581 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 6: just kind of weird. I mean, there's a lot of 582 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 6: weird takeaways. But I just know that it was all 583 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 6: kind of you know, part of my part of God's 584 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 6: plan and and you know, uh, purposeful. 585 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 3: So I guess with the deviated septum being fixed, you 586 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 3: no longer snore as bad? Is that the idea? 587 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 6: Yeah? I can breathe, man, Yeah, I'm like I can, 588 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 6: I can. My endurance is so much better, my recovery really, 589 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 6: you know, yeah, I'll raise anybody in the UFC. 590 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 3: Let's go that's interesting. And then the next problem. I'm curious, 591 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 3: did the doctor ever look at the neck and be like, yeah, 592 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 3: you're better, but like what what would explain how did it? 593 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 6: Uh? I, you know, I'd be curious that that's actually 594 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 6: I never thought about actually getting it checked out, like afterward, 595 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 6: But before I had a I had a fracture in 596 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 6: my C six and then I also have had a 597 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 6: spinal stenosis and it would like make my arm feel 598 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 6: weak sometimes like just lifting up my arm. Uh, it 599 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 6: would I would get these terrible headaches and stuff. And 600 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 6: you know, sometimes if I'm wrestling a lot or grappling, 601 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 6: like maybe my neck would get a little bit sore, 602 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 6: but that's just like muscles, Like it's not like this 603 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 6: like terrible headache. Like I used to have to like 604 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 6: put my head in the ice bath like backwards just 605 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 6: because like my headaches would be so bad. And I 606 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 6: was leading up to the first fight with her, But afterward, 607 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 6: I exp it's none of those symptoms anymore, and I'm like, so, 608 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 6: so I should probably I should probably see it see 609 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 6: if I still have those problems. 610 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 3: That's crazy. I've never even heard that, but I'm glad 611 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 3: to hear that you're in a better condition, no matter 612 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 3: how crazy the circumstance is. All right, So, talking about 613 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 3: Carla Asparza, we know that the first fight and then 614 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 3: the second fight as indicator, we're going to be very different. Right, 615 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 3: This is not back to back, even if it is 616 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 3: the same opponent. Without giving away too much, though, how 617 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 3: would you identify this fight being so different? What stands 618 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 3: out to you about why this one will look perhaps 619 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 3: quite unlike the first one. 620 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I don't have hair anymore. I'm just kidding. 621 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 6: I will be well one, I'll be the champion, you know. 622 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 6: So I'm gonna go in there and I'm gonna be 623 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 6: like even though she has, like on paper, maybe more 624 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 6: fights than me, I don't even know what our records are, 625 00:27:54,640 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 6: but I feel as though I have the the uh 626 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 6: more depth to the to the experiences as far as 627 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 6: like just being on the bigger stages, dealing with the media, 628 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 6: having that pressure on me, I feel. I mean, I 629 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 6: don't know what she has to go through. I can't 630 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 6: walk in her shoes, but I do know that there's 631 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 6: a total difference between preparing for a five round fight 632 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 6: and a three round fight, especially uh, you know, main 633 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 6: eventing or co main eventing or really big cards and 634 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 6: some of the biggest cards that and most memorable cards. 635 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,239 Speaker 6: So so I think that's probably the hugest difference as 636 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 6: far as like the first fight and and I'll take 637 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 6: it like the first fight that we had was a 638 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 6: big deal as far as like just it being in 639 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 6: this historical, you know, first strongweight championship title fight, so like, 640 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 6: you know, she had that experience. But I mean, but 641 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 6: the experience that I had going into that as opposed 642 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 6: to her experience, I mean, it's it's totally different. Now. 643 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 3: You know what's interesting is in j Check and Androge, 644 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 3: they're dangerous, but in not entirely dissimilar ways, but in 645 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 3: pretty dissimilar ways, right They're not. They're very unique skill sets, 646 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 3: and Karla has her own unique skill set relative to them, 647 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 3: and I do I don't mean to suggest she's not dangerous. 648 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 3: I take her as she earned this opportunity, and she 649 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 3: is quite dangerous. But I guess my point would be, 650 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 3: would you agree that relative to you in j Check 651 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 3: and then relative to Androge, as dangerous as she might be, 652 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 3: her game is somewhat more conventional. 653 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 6: I know what you mean. I think that uh, when 654 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 6: facing she's not as intimidating. Let's just say that. But 655 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 6: for me, it's like, because I know better, I know 656 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 6: that she poses like different types of threats, not just 657 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 6: I mean she can obviously in her last fight she 658 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 6: showed that she can, you know, cut you up and 659 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,719 Speaker 6: and h crucifix you and you know what I mean, 660 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 6: just make you not look the same like obviously, But 661 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 6: historically speaking, obviously her fights, she doesn't inflict as much 662 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 6: damage as say, like a wayly you know fight, But 663 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 6: psychologically I think that she messes people up really bad 664 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 6: because they go in there sort of overlooking her, maybe 665 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 6: not seeing her as much of a threat, and then 666 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 6: they all of a sudden are trying to figure out 667 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 6: why they're on their back. 668 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: You know. 669 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 6: So for me it's like I'm taking this. I'm taking 670 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,239 Speaker 6: this just as seriously, if not way more seriously than 671 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 6: those other two opponents, because it's all about like controlling 672 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 6: myself and then I'll be successful. 673 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 3: This is something I'm asking all the high level UFC 674 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 3: fighters I talked to. I spoke to Alex Lokanowski recently 675 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 3: and I asked him this. So I will ask you 676 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 3: this as well, which is when you think about your style, 677 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,479 Speaker 3: how did you get here? And what I mean by 678 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 3: that is, did you purposely say I want a certain style, 679 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 3: I want to look a certain way, I want to 680 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 3: have certain weapons, or did it form more organically? 681 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I think it's always been sort of it's 682 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 6: been pretty organic. I would say there's been I've had 683 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 6: to I've just been kind of like I think a 684 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 6: lot of fighters, I would say, we're all just kind 685 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 6: of figuring shit out on a fly. As far as like, uh, 686 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 6: there's no rule book to like this. The sport is 687 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 6: still evolving. It's still you know, new things are coming 688 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 6: up all the time. So I think that just with 689 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 6: my Tekwana background, it's sort of evolved. And then and 690 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 6: then along the way this journey, I've I've come across 691 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 6: just I've uh a cross pass with so many different 692 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 6: people that has like sort of just it's like it's 693 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 6: like making gumbo, you know what I mean. It's just 694 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 6: like you just kind of make it as you go 695 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 6: along and you just kind of add new flavors to it. 696 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 6: And so this is kind of what I came up. 697 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 6: But it's like, yeah, so there, so there's a certain 698 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 6: structure to to how like, I know this works for 699 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 6: my style, I know this person from my type, and 700 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 6: then and then it's just like kind of trial and 701 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 6: error and like adding things as we go along. 702 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 3: When you think about it, if someone had never seen 703 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 3: you fight and they wanted you to describe how you 704 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 3: fight to them, what would you say. 705 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 6: I would say that, you know, my game plan is 706 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 6: pretty much the same every time. It's punch them in 707 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 6: their face, take them, take their back, and choke them out. 708 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 6: And however that manifests, it manifested many different ways, kind 709 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 6: of like a jazz song, Like you know you have 710 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 6: your this is the song, but each time you play 711 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 6: the jazz song, it's a little bit different because you 712 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 6: know you feel different that day, so you might improv 713 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 6: and add a little different note, but ultimately the structure 714 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 6: of the song is the same. Punch their face, take 715 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 6: their back, and choke them out. 716 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 3: The back is like, obviously it's an important position, right 717 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 3: because it's one of the few positions where you have 718 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 3: total asymmetry. Right, you have control, they have they have 719 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 3: next to nothing. Is that why you went for or 720 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 3: did it just going for the back early in training 721 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 3: was successful? You kept doing it. I mean, how I 722 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 3: guess what I'm trying to get is how intentional was 723 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 3: designing getting to the back and choking them out a 724 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 3: part of what you were doing. 725 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a good question. I think, Well, I think 726 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 6: that whole strategy, well, just getting the back in general. 727 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 6: This is I think what I realized along the way was, 728 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 6: even though I have phenomenal striking, and I've been around 729 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 6: I've been blessed to be around so many great strikers, 730 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 6: I've realized as a martial artist you have to have 731 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 6: really good jiu jitsu because jiu jitsu mix fights. It 732 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 6: does two things. It either gets you out of really 733 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 6: tough situations. It helps you survive, or it makes the 734 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 6: fight a lot easier, you know what I mean. And 735 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 6: so so you can have the best striking everybody, somebody 736 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 6: could just take your punch and maybe you just can't 737 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 6: take them out, you know what I mean. So having 738 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 6: that choke, having that and I feel like Greenicka choked too, 739 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 6: having that back position, I feel like that's the ultimate 740 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 6: way to dominate somebody because you had to have made 741 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 6: so many mistakes before then, you know what I mean, 742 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 6: Like you ultimately controlled them and that's just the ultimate 743 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,720 Speaker 6: checkmate in my opinion, that's taking their back and choking 744 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 6: them out. 745 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 4: You know what I mean, because a lot of. 746 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, oh no, I just I was just saying that. 747 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 6: Like the last thing I'll say is that in order 748 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 6: to take somebody's back, you either have to be really 749 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 6: really masterful or you get somebody in that position to 750 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 6: where they give you your back and they kind of 751 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 6: gave up. So so that's one of the two things. 752 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 6: You're either really good or you made that person, you 753 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 6: broke their will. 754 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a famous video from Health Gracie black belt 755 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 3: Kurt Ociander. I don't know if you've heard of him, 756 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 3: but he has. There's a video like how do you 757 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 3: get out of a triangle? And his first point is, 758 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 3: let me explain something to you. If you're locked in 759 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 3: a triangle, you fucked up a long time ago. Sort 760 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 3: of the point you raised in terms of back attackers. 761 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 3: Who do you like out there, who's somebody who's back 762 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:53,439 Speaker 3: attacks You're like, God, they're good. 763 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 6: I mean, shoot Ala Jamaine Sterling, like recently, I mean, 764 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 6: he he's so masterful with it. Like when he gets 765 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 6: you there, it's just really really hard to get out. Uh, 766 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 6: I was gonna say, yeah, obviously, Damian Maya, he's you 767 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 6: know that, I would say, probably the best out of 768 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 6: everybody in the whole UFC. Charles Olivera is really really 769 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 6: great as well. He has, you know, some of the 770 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 6: coolest submissions in the UFC, So those are probably the 771 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 6: top three. 772 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, what did you make of your 773 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 3: previous fellow Androge getting the first ever standing head and 774 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 3: arm triangle. Try to explain to people you have to 775 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 3: be insanely strong to even attempt something like that. 776 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 6: She's very strong, man. That is pretty amazing, I would say, I, 777 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 6: you know, usually when you get in that position, you 778 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 6: want to like trip them and take them down from there, 779 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 6: and it's usually really easy takedown. But yeah, I mean, yeah, 780 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 6: she that was that was super master masterful on her part. 781 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 6: I always thought that she had really great like defensive 782 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 6: jiu jitsu or like, you know, really great utines and stuff, 783 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 6: but that she just showed that she is, you know, 784 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 6: truly a black voat all. 785 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 3: Right, when you think about you said, everything has happened 786 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,879 Speaker 3: organically to this point, right, like the development of your style. Still, 787 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 3: what are you twenty nine years old? I think is 788 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 3: the right number twenty nine. You still have time left 789 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 3: to further develop. I mean, you're almost pre prime in 790 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 3: certain ways. I don't know if you really think of 791 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 3: it in those terms. Do you think about the pieces 792 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 3: of the game you would like to add or are 793 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 3: you still just sort of feeling it as it goes? 794 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm always I'm always looking to add more things. 795 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 6: Can Is there a way to get a charger over here? 796 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 6: Is there like a okay, yeah, there's a yeah, sorry, 797 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 6: better's a little But no, I think that I'm always 798 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,919 Speaker 6: looking to add new things and just make the things 799 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 6: that I already do better. But I really, you know, 800 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 6: other than just like you know, positional things and whatnot, 801 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 6: I really want to get my black belt in ju jitsu. 802 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 6: That would be great. And then outside of that, I 803 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 6: would say, I really want to get better at like 804 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,959 Speaker 6: self defense type of things with like stick fighting, nice 805 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 6: nice defense, and like gun training like those are kind 806 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 6: of like my extra curricular things that I would really 807 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 6: and then once I'm done fighting, I would really like 808 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 6: to delve into more gi jiu jitsu and things like that. 809 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 6: But yeah, I would say, also, yeah, just just getting 810 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 6: better everywhere I think would be will be cool and maybe, 811 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 6: like I think always putting like kind of putting a 812 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 6: little bit more just kind of more muscle masks and 813 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 6: stuff like that maybe will be cool. But like I'm 814 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 6: pretty freaking strong right as it is. 815 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 3: You know, you you mentioned some of the next stage 816 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,280 Speaker 3: we're talking about it. People always talk about five year plans, 817 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 3: no matter what career you're in, business, fighting, whatever, do 818 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,399 Speaker 3: you have a five year plan? I guess I would 819 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 3: ask you at thirty four, what do you imagine you'll 820 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 3: be doing at that time, still fighting something else? What 821 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 3: do you think? 822 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 6: I would say, Uh, I'll be I'll kind of just 823 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 6: be doing a similar version of what I'm doing now, 824 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 6: but just like uh hopefully hopefully Ninja Farman, you know, 825 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 6: like like uh, just kind of my goal is to 826 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 6: be to be able to provide for myself, you know, 827 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 6: my own food and water source and things like that. 828 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 6: That's that's really something that I'm wanting to focus on. 829 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 6: And you know, I've talked about airships before, Like that's 830 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 6: something that I'm really want to integrate into my martial 831 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,879 Speaker 6: arts training. And so I see that in the next 832 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 6: five years for sure. 833 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 3: How hard is it to provide your own water, food? 834 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 3: I can get. But the water part, I guess I 835 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 3: don't know how does that work. 836 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 6: That's very difficult because especially out here in Colorado, the 837 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 6: water rights things are really really weird. I would say 838 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 6: the main obviously getting a well or something like that 839 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 6: would be great, or finding a live water so it's 840 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 6: to be ultimately the best, but I mean, you're not 841 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 6: always that lucky, and like the best way is to 842 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 6: develop a system of living to where you recycle your 843 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 6: water and catch rain water as as you can get it. 844 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,439 Speaker 6: And that's where the whole airship design kind of comes 845 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 6: in because every all the all the water is recycled. 846 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 6: It not even just like you know, the water that 847 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 6: you well, the water that you drink, the water that 848 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 6: you wash your you know, dishes with, and then your 849 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 6: toilet water, and then your shower water, and your the 850 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 6: gray water goes into your plants and that and the 851 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 6: plants clean that water, and then it goes into your toilet, 852 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 6: which is your black water, and then the septic tank 853 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 6: you know, filters that out, and then you have a 854 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 6: leech field where it basically you know, waters, you're not 855 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 6: edible plants, you know. So it's like it's like the 856 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,800 Speaker 6: ultimate system so that the whole goal is to like 857 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 6: conserve as much and then try to gather what you need. 858 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 3: You know, what's one major difference between you and not 859 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 3: just other UFC champions, but a lot of other UFC fighters. 860 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 3: And it seems quite intentional, And I have to say, 861 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 3: I think you're on the right path. The entire sport 862 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 3: to me, feels very online. Everyone is online all the time. 863 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,399 Speaker 3: And I looked at your Twitter account. You got one 864 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 3: tweet since I think like December of twenty twenty one. 865 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 3: It was just for a sponsor. No, but you know 866 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,359 Speaker 3: what I got to say. For example, I'll give any 867 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 3: I'll tell you that's Quila Harrison. The one time I 868 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 3: told me she has a Google alert that anytime any 869 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 3: media mentions her in a video or article, she gets 870 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 3: a Digest email and it sends it to her. And 871 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 3: that seems to me. And I love Caylyn, and I 872 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 3: talked to her about this, but that seems to me 873 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 3: like a bad way to get feedback about yourself. You 874 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 3: have disconnected. Why have you disconnected? Why is everyone else 875 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 3: so online in this community? 876 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 6: Yeah, I decided that because it's sometimes you just it's 877 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 6: just like having that sense of control over yourself, like 878 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 6: because you feel like just the impulse to like you 879 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,759 Speaker 6: feel the pressure to do that, and like, I don't 880 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 6: like that. I feel like if I even though there 881 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 6: is like lots of positive things that come from social 882 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 6: media and things like just opportunities or connecting with certain 883 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 6: people or connecting with your fans, sometimes when you feel that, 884 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 6: like you feel like you're pos like you just start 885 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,399 Speaker 6: posting things that aren't really like true to yourself because 886 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 6: you feel like you have to. And I never want 887 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 6: to feel like that. And then I also want to 888 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 6: really be careful about reading what people say about me, 889 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 6: because it's like they don't have they don't walk in 890 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 6: my shoes, they don't know me, so like they're really 891 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 6: going off of assumptions and things that have nothing. They 892 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 6: don't they don't know me, so it really does mean 893 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 6: no good to to put that into my head. So 894 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 6: those are those are the main reasons. But I would, 895 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,800 Speaker 6: you know, I do recognize that it is good to 896 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 6: be online present, you know, but uh, but yeah, it 897 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 6: just it doesn't really. 898 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 4: Make me happy. 899 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 3: I can totally understand, well, Champ, we really appreciate your time. 900 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 3: We cannot wait for UFC two seventy four co main event, 901 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,359 Speaker 3: taking on Carla as Barza. It is a new fight, 902 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,879 Speaker 3: same upon it, but we're excited for it just the same. 903 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 3: Thank you for your time. Can't wait to see you. 904 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 6: Thank you so much.