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Speaker 1: are you. I'm fabulous. I'm so happy to be here

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy you're here. I've been such a fan

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Speaker 1: Likewise, truly, truly and honestly just reading the bio when

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Speaker 1: Yes, And it's beautiful that you recognize that that that's

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Speaker 3: To the world right now. This is a different billy

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 2: You asked the good questions.

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Speaker 6: Go.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm even more present.

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Speaker 3: and I feel like the fight for it's not attention.

446
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 3: I get attention, it's not attention. What is the word

447
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 3: I'm looking for?

448
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: Is it adoration?

449
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: No, it's not adoration. The fight for.

450
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 3: Respect, the fight to not be pigeonholed, you know, the

451
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 3: fight to try to wrestle people into understanding that I'm

452
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 3: a very serious person and fabulous and serious coexists. That

453
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 3: fight that I have, that's gone.

454
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 2: I'm not fighting. I'm not fighting no more.

455
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: Why Yeah, like that? That sounds exhausting, Yes, right, So

456
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: is that why you're done with that?

457
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I don't.

458
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 3: I just don't have the energy. I mean literally physically,

459
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 3: I do not have the energy to fight any of

460
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 3: that anymore.

461
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: I Am what I Am.

462
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 3: That's the main song from from Lukasha Foe. That song

463
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 3: comes from Lukasha Foe, and I get to sing it.

464
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 3: I am what I am. I am my own special creation.

465
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 3: Do with that what you will. But I'm not fighting.

466
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: Y'all know more about it. You know.

467
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 3: I'm not making you know, I'm not defending myself for

468
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: anything anymore, you know.

469
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: And my my mantra.

470
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 3: On the social media's the information super Highway. I like

471
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 3: to say, because I'm old enough to remember what it was.

472
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: Called that superb that I'm not that all.

473
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: Okay, So when we started, when all of this mess started,

474
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 3: it was called the information super Highway, So I like

475
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: to throw that in. You know, sometimes said you.

476
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: Old bitch, do you remember, because I know black go correct?

477
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 2: But I see you. I promise you no, I believe it.

478
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: I believe it. But when I.

479
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 3: It's like my mantra is, I do not now, nor

480
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 3: will I ever adjudicate my life or humanity in sound

481
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: bites on social media, and I will forever be that

482
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 3: person now reality speaking, social media, the internet has taken

483
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 3: over everything so much, to the point in such a

484
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 3: toxic way that like, if somebody says something about you

485
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: and you don't have any response to it, then your

486
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 3: narrative lands in the hands of somebody else.

487
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and.

488
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 3: So how do we You know, I've been really working

489
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 3: on how do I do that?

490
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: I joined substack so you get to tell your own

491
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: story on substack.

492
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: Because substack is long form, and I'm long form. I'm

493
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 3: verboth I write, I talk, you know, and it's like

494
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: it's not about me defending myself because that's not the goal.

495
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 3: I'm not defending myself about anything, but to be able

496
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 3: to just.

497
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: Be in a place that has not yet turned toxic.

498
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: I know, I know.

499
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: It's that's the that's the very appealing part of substack.

500
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: There's so much social media, but I'm like, it feels

501
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: pure over here.

502
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: Well, it feels adult. I call it the maturing of

503
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 3: social media because the ratchet trash ain't over there because

504
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: they're not smart enough to be.

505
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: You know, It's like Don Lemon got fired from CNN

506
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: and he went there. Yeah, Joy Reid got fired from MSNBC.

507
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: She went over there.

508
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: All the and many, if not all, of the independent

509
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 3: journalists who are being released for telling the truth and

510
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 3: speaking truth to power and holding people accountable who are

511
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: being fired for.

512
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: That right now, are going over there.

513
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: You can poss you can essay, you can do your

514
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: television show.

515
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 2: Don limit does this television show every day.

516
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: I think it's twice a day. I think he does

517
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: something at ten and something at five. Joy Reid has

518
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 3: a Joy Reid show.

519
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: Shoe.

520
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: I watched that shit yesterday. It was two hours and

521
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: seventeen minutes, and I was like, yes, and so I'm

522
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 3: just beginning the process. I've only posted two essays, but

523
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 3: like it feels like a space that has given me

524
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 3: breath back. Because the Internet suffocates me.

525
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: I don't like it at all.

526
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: And the only reason why I'm there is because I'm

527
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 3: in show at all. Is because I'm in show business,

528
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 3: and that is a tool that is still necessary for me.

529
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not I don't have fuck you money.

530
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 4: Awards do not pay the bills.

531
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: I need to get jobs.

532
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: I got all the awards in the world, and I

533
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: love them all and I'm grateful for all of them.

534
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: They do not pay the bills. And as artists, I

535
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: try to explain to people we are freelance.

536
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 3: Every time a job ends, we have to go out

537
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: and get another one. Nobody lives their life like that,

538
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: but artists, you know. And so for my sanity, I

539
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 3: am grateful to Substack. Now, I just gotta build. I

540
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 3: gotta build my little audience because you know, yeah, well.

541
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: Listen, Billy's on substacks.

542
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 3: So Billy's on substack, and I'm telling the truth, honey,

543
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 3: you know, you know I tell the truth.

544
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: I call people out my.

545
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: Name, you know, I'm at the I will give I

546
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: call people by name yes, not always.

547
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: I give enough information to people can figure.

548
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: It out this and then if something doesn't change, then

549
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 3: I start calling out names like.

550
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: Now, Marjorie Taylor Green, you are not a fucking hero.

551
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna argue against periods, all of these people

552
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: who are now coming out at the end of the earth.

553
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: When you people sat and watched this happen. Why because

554
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: it was never gonna affect you.

555
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: Yet it was never going to affect you.

556
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 3: Whatever you did, and whatever he did was never going

557
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 3: to affect you.

558
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: It still doesn't affect you. I don't want to hear

559
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: nothing from any of those people. It's lovely.

560
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 3: I went with Jane Fonda, you know, okay, so here

561
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: I said in the hospital room, I'm off the front lines.

562
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 3: I was there for a month, you know, because I've

563
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: been on the front line time sixteen. I'm off the

564
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 3: front line. I'm not doing the front lines anymore. You know.

565
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be a consultant. I'm not gonna be on

566
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: the front lines no more. That lasted for about two

567
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 3: and a half minutes, and then Jane Fonda called me.

568
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: I did the football movie with her. Was eighty for Brady.

569
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 3: I did eighty for Brady for and she knows that

570
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, political and stuff.

571
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: So she called me to do this thing down at the.

572
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 3: UH in front of the Kennedy Center for the Committee

573
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: for the First Amendment. You know, I was like, Okay,

574
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: I'll go do that. Then reven Al called me to

575
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: give me the President's Award at NAN last week, the

576
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 3: National Action Network last week, you know, because I'm black

577
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: and I'm gay and I'm out and that's still a thing,

578
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 3: you know.

579
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: And I love.

580
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: Revenue Al for understanding that nobody's free unless we're all free.

581
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 3: I don't care what you believe. I don't care what

582
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 3: your doctrines, your Black church doctrine say. That isn't even

583
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 3: our religion. It's not even ours. It's our colonizers.

584
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: You know. I don't. And so he called.

585
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 3: And I may have you know what, I wrote a

586
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 3: really nice I'm not on the front line speech.

587
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: Okay, but I'm here, by the way.

588
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 3: No, but like I'm not. I didn't say I wasn't

589
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: on the front lines. But it wasn't like.

590
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: It was like, thank you, I'm so grateful, God, bless y'all.

591
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: All.

592
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, we have work to do

593
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 2: and then.

594
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: Easter Sunday happened, and that bitch said he was going

595
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 3: to destroy a civilization. And I said, oh yeah, and

596
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: and I.

597
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 7: Rewrote my speech and I got up there and I

598
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 7: was like, I'm just gonna say the speech.

599
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 3: But you know, there's a calling on my life, and

600
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 3: this is my ministry. And while I don't stand in

601
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 3: the poolpit every week to preach traditionally, there is.

602
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: A bishop in me. There is a bishop. And miss

603
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: Queen Honey.

604
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 3: And baby I got up and I don't know what happened.

605
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 3: I do know what happened, and all of a sudden,

606
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 3: it was like everybody just started.

607
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: It was like we were at church.

608
00:35:54,400 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 8: If Al Sharpton was standing behind me, like, he said,

609
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 8: I think I'm gonna need you to go preaching some

610
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 8: in some church.

611
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: He said, get to actual church. Bishop.

612
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: I said, I.

613
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 3: Cussed too much, but I'll take the cussing out. I'll

614
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: I'll take the cussing out.

615
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: You would, I'll take some of the cussing out. Which

616
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: words would you allow? I would allow, damn it, Okay,

617
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: I would allow. Get your ship together, get you but

618
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: it can only come in that package. You can't be on.

619
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 2: It can't stand on its own. No, okay, well it could.

620
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: You know.

621
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 3: The one thing that I did take out, okay, was motherfucker,

622
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 3: you took that out.

623
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: I took it out. I said, ms.

624
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 3: Okay, I said, lock these m f's out.

625
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: Phraise music played because.

626
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: If there was, if there was a gospel group there,

627
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: and I don't know why he didn't get on the

628
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 3: keyboard and key up, because I was.

629
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: Keyed up, fuddy. You can see it.

630
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 3: I'm posted on a substat Okay, all twenty two minutes

631
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: of it.

632
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't get the four minute memo, but you

633
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: have four minutes. Don't give Billy a mic.

634
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: Don't give Billy and.

635
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 2: Not tell him it's four minutes before the day before.

636
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need that information well in advance the day before.

637
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: They were like, oh and they should be no more

638
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 3: than four minutes.

639
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: I said, okay, we also let me tell you this.

640
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, you get four times up five and

641
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: you get four times five point five. Okay, But but

642
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: I have to say, people, they want to hear you,

643
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: they want to hear you and listen four minutes. The

644
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: reality is, if you had prepared four minutes anyway, you

645
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: pivoted based on what the news was doing, and it

646
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: was going to be twenty two minutes.

647
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,959
Speaker 2: I needed to say what I needed to say.

648
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 3: And the thing that's so surprising to me right now,

649
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 3: being first generation post civil rights movement, is how many

650
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 3: people are afraid to speak. You're saying everything everybody wants

651
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 3: to say, then why are you not saying it?

652
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: I think people are not just losing things, losing opportunities.

653
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: But it's interesting because you're going to lose them anyway anyway.

654
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 2: Because they're coming from my black faggot ass.

655
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 3: Whether I speak now or not, I'm in that position already,

656
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 3: so there's no reason. And I use the word. I

657
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: use the F word as a recogno. It's not on

658
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 3: the pool bit. I use that word as a reclamation

659
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 3: of the words of my oppressors. Sure, just like black

660
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: people use the N word.

661
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 2: Na. You know what I mean? It's like, what are we?

662
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: Who are we pretending for now? Who were we being

663
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 2: politically correct for now? I'm out of that.

664
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, miss me with that age, because you are in

665
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: your I don't give a fuck.

666
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Speaker 2: Era you are.

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Speaker 1: It helps, it helps, doesn't it help? To be fifty

668
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: six real with me?

669
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 2: It does?

670
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: It does, And to almost die.

671
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: And to almost die it helps. I mean I was

672
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: dead for three days. Technically, did you see Jesus? I

673
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 2: did not?

674
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 3: Thank you for it, and thank you for asking that question.

675
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 3: I didn't see anything, nothing. It was completely black, and

676
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: that leads me to know my time ain't done yet.

677
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 3: I didn't see mom, I didn't see Grandma. I didn't

678
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 3: see a tunnel. I didn't see no lights. I didn't

679
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: have no negotiations with spirits.

680
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 2: I didn't have nothing. I was black.

681
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 3: And then I woke up three days later and thought

682
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 3: I was in Michanos.

683
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: Where we're you at Bellevue.

684
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 6: They is not making those not even close, not even close,

685
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 6: not even I need one more thing from my bag,

686
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 6: which is my fan.

687
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: Okay, because now podcast Billy, can we get Billy's fan?

688
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: You're getting hot toasting.

689
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 3: I am having my men o pause moment, men o pause,

690
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 3: men oh, men have it to you.

691
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: Guys get hot with age. I know you get more

692
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: attractive with age.

693
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: Thank you, not just you.

694
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 3: But I know I believe it because I am just a.

695
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 2: Little bit of pre just a little bit of promotion.

696
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 3: Billy black Mona Lisa Billy Porter is black Mona Lisa

697
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: as well.

698
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: I thought the fan might say, Billy Porter is on Substack,

699
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: because I thought you were just here to promote Substack.

700
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: So I'm here to promote my book. Okay, oh ship, yes,

701
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: you forgot all about it?

702
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 5: Because Songbird in the Light, please, Songbird in the Light.

703
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,959
Speaker 2: Do you even have one? No? I don't. Why didn't

704
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: I thought they would have brought you one? Could you

705
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 2: sign it? Of course you don't have an image.

706
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: You can put that in later. You can super improse

707
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 3: the image on our heart.

708
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 2: We'll put it. We'll put it like right on your chest.

709
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, put it on my chest or one of them

710
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: little pop ups that the kids do that. I don't

711
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: know how to do now on you know how to

712
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: do that on the Instagram. I don't know how to

713
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: do it. I see these things. I'm like, I don't

714
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 3: know how to do.

715
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: So the person listening that sound you here is Billy's fair.

716
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: I know it's going to wear the sec who but

717
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: I'm sweating from.

718
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: The inside parts inside remember that it's but by the way,

719
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: it's hot today.

720
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 3: It's hot today, it's hot. You know what the inside

721
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 3: part is? Where that comes from?

722
00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 2: The kucie? What's the kuccie? Oh? Well, yes, but do

723
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: you know where that line came?

724
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: No, no, no, tell me beloved, beloved Tony Morrison's beloved

725
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: the movie, the movie, because I read the book the movie,

726
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: but it is the Cuci, right see, I didn't know why.

727
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 2: Did I whisper? Like anyway? The Coucci? Billy?

728
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: Shall we pivot to the children's book where you want

729
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 3: to talk some more about some other shit.

730
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't really have to know about the book except

731
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: for that people need to get it unless you want

732
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: to say something.

733
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: Okay, here's the thing. Yes, I want to say one thing.

734
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: Yes, So there is a memoir came out twenty twenty one,

735
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: Billy Porter Unprotected came out during COVID.

736
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know about it.

737
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: And in that one, oh names, Okay.

738
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: I name a couple of I name a couple of names.

739
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: And I've run into the people whose names I've named,

740
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 3: and I know they haven't read.

741
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: The bookcase it's sweet.

742
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 2: It's because they still talk to me. I'm fair.

743
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 3: But so that book, I want to package it together

744
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 3: to remind people that there's a memoir.

745
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: And then this is like.

746
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: It's kind of memoir based as well. It's called Songbird

747
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 3: in the light and it's about a little boy who

748
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: finds his voice through singing, and it's based on my life.

749
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: The original title was rockhead Bill because that's what they

750
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 3: called me because my head grew larger than my body

751
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 3: between the ages of like.

752
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: Eight and eleven. My head looked like this, like it was.

753
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: You know, the nicknames when we were children, they're so cruel, horrible.

754
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 1: My family used to call me, which means bone skeleton,

755
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: because I was tired. As you were thinking, but she

756
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: doesn't eat, and I'm like, I do, I do eat.

757
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: This is just the size of my body. You're right,

758
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: So they called me rockhead bill.

759
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 3: So interestingly enough, ironically enough, I think I'm using that

760
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: word right. I wrote my whole memoir, two hundred and

761
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 3: eighty plus pages of it, on my own, and you know,

762
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: I had help coaching, you know, and mentorship, but I

763
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 3: wrote it on my own.

764
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: I come to write this children's book, and I.

765
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: Tried three times, and my publisher was like, it's called

766
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 3: rockhead Bill. The inciting incident is the fact that the

767
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 3: kids threw rocks at my head. Turns out that might

768
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 3: be a little violent for children from the ages of

769
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: four to eight.

770
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Speaker 1: Look at me I didn't even catch it. I'm like, yeah, okay,

771
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: right right.

772
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: Because that's what happened. They're like, oh, it's a little violent.

773
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 5: I was like, that's what they did. Actually through eight

774
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 5: years old day threw rocks in my head. What are

775
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 5: y'all talking about?

776
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: Romanticize those children? We're not gonna do. You don't romanticize

777
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: the bully.

778
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: I do not romanticize those bullies.

779
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm like, then it's okay to call it

780
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: what it was.

781
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 3: So we got Chris Clarkson and Charlie Palmer. I've never

782
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 3: met them in person, which is hard, and I'm gonna

783
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 3: throw I'm gonna take them to dinner.

784
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: Saying because we don't do this at my show, but

785
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: this team here wet. We're not a visiting studio. They

786
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: said we could pull it up for you.

787
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 2: Come on team.

788
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 3: So one of the things that I was really I'm so,

789
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 3: you know. So I met with Chris Clarkson, who is

790
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 3: a children's book writer, and I told him the story

791
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: about me finding my voice, being bullied, finding my voice,

792
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 3: and the reality is in fifth grade when I signed

793
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 3: up for the Talent show and won, the bullying.

794
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: Stopped because they said he's a star. Yes, I might

795
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: need Billy someday.

796
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: And so that was really that was an interesting thing.

797
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: Charlie Parker.

798
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 3: Uh Palmer, Charlie Palmer, the.

799
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: The visuals, the illustrations.

800
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: I was really interested in aspirational art for kids.

801
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: I didn't want it to be kitty art. No shade.

802
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: I don't mean any shade by that.

803
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 3: But what I my goal was, I want to create

804
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 3: this book so that whoever it speaks to as a

805
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 3: child will keep it with them and put it on

806
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 3: that coffee table when they're an adult, next to.

807
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: Their adult coffee table. Yes, because it's art.

808
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: It's beautiful. Thank you, I'm taken by. I'm so distracted.

809
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: You have to put the thanks dad by a go

810
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: back up because I'm up close and I can see

811
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: the details.

812
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: Of the art. The art is beautiful.

813
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: It's stunning. Chris an actual artist though.

814
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

815
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like so it's not just painted. Do you have

816
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: any pieces from him?

817
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 3: Now, I'm like, I don't I have Get that book.

818
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 3: Get the book you have like twenty four pieces?

819
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: Songbird in the Light.

820
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 3: Songbird in the Light, Darling, Get it to all your children, okay,

821
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 3: and the adults, because y'all could learn something from that book.

822
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely, the babies will teach us. Yes, it was written

823
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: by you and your co writer.

824
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, but he was he really distilled

825
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: rockhead Bill into songbird.

826
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: Yes, he's They came back, they said, okay, so rockhead

827
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: Bill maybe maybe stead of rockhead it's a songbird.

828
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 2: I was trying to be funny.

829
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know I wasn't on you know, I

830
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 3: wasn't a regular and l yet.

831
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: So what I could have sworn together Monday pitch writing,

832
00:47:59,120 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: our schedules and.

833
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to do comedy now.

834
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: You want to do comedy now? Like stand up?

835
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: Stand up? Have you gone? Because it scares.

836
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 3: Me?

837
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: I think you would be good at it. I'm not

838
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: even an expert, but I'm like.

839
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 3: Everybody, all my stand up people who I talked to,

840
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 3: They're like, you're already a stand up. You just need

841
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 3: to get up and do it. And it terrifies me.

842
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 3: And there's very little that like terrifies me anymore. And

843
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 3: so I'm doing a podcast with Phoebe Robinson and who

844
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 3: did I say, Leslie Jones soon and I was talking

845
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 3: to them about it and they were like, well, we'll

846
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 3: help you, you know, we'll you know, everybody's like, you

847
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 3: just have to get up and do it.

848
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: You know, you don't need to write it.

849
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 3: Just pick a theme, get up and just start talking

850
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: and you'll be surprised.

851
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: So I'm getting there.

852
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: Do you think, are you scared of bombing?

853
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: No?

854
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 1: No, oh, well then you're billy. You're gonna be fine.

855
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 3: Like, I'm not scared of bombing. I don't want to bomb,

856
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 3: of course, but everybody's gonna bomb.

857
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: But if you're not scared of it.

858
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 3: I'm not scared of bombing. My whole life has been

859
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 3: a series of bombs. That's where the that's where the

860
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 3: the mastery comes from. That's you know, I'm not scared

861
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 3: of bombing.

862
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: Oh good, Okay, Now you said something about it being

863
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: good here. Now that that's sort of how you're considering

864
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: this new space, this new chapter you're in because it's

865
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: good here. Now, what's good about it?

866
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: Good?

867
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 3: You mean for me personally, it's good and it's challenging.

868
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 2: Okay.

869
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 3: I always find that the challenges are the greatest space

870
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 3: for me. The fear is the greatest space for me.

871
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 3: The loss is the great space for me, The failure

872
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 3: is the greatest space for me because that's where I

873
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 3: learn the most.

874
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 2: And so once again I'm in another learning space.

875
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 3: You know, I smashed through a glass ceiling that was concrete.

876
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 3: I was never supposed to on paper rise to the

877
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 3: heights and be elevated to the sort of a list

878
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 3: wild success space that I did that I have, And

879
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 3: now that I'm there, I have realized, oh, so many

880
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 3: people then spend their lives trying to stay there, and

881
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 3: that that's where.

882
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: I'm finding the fractures happen. I'm learning.

883
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 3: Yet another version of an ebb and flow, another version

884
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 3: of impermanent. Nothing is permanent and you can't hold on

885
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 3: to any of it because the holding on to it

886
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 3: is where the suffering happens. And so even in the

887
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 3: uncomfortable that I feel right now, and I am very

888
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 3: very uncomfortable now right now, I'm also very inspired at

889
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 3: the same time for whatever.

890
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: Comes next. I have a production company.

891
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,240
Speaker 3: I've had it for three years, you know, four years

892
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 3: actually three are going on four years. I had a

893
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 3: deal at FAC the strikes came, all of that stuff

894
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 3: went away, all of it seems to have whatever, And

895
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 3: It's like, but I have so much to focus on

896
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 3: right now that is about me and about the stories

897
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 3: that I want to tell. I want to be the

898
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 3: head bitch in charge. I'm more interested in creating the

899
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 3: stories and filling the gaps of the stories that I

900
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 3: don't see from the people that I don't see it from,

901
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 3: from the marginalized.

902
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: Folks like myself.

903
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 3: I went to see Cat's Agelical Ball the other night, and.

904
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: I couldn't stop crying.

905
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 3: I just I mean, I got here in the late

906
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 3: eighties early nineties, there was nothing like that for me

907
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 3: to do.

908
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: I graduated from Carnegie.

909
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 3: Mellon, I studied classical theater, and all I could do

910
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 3: was be in a musical review when I graduated, or

911
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 3: be or have some or be some thug on a

912
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 3: guest spot on a television show. You know, like there

913
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 3: was nothing they weren't casting people in. In less, they

914
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 3: weren't casting people in in Uh, Phantom of the Opera

915
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: and things of that nature. My first Broadway show was

916
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 3: was Uh Miss Sagon, and that was a gift. And Cats,

917
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 3: being a show that was from my generation, was one

918
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 3: of the only spaces where they were casting any kinds

919
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 3: of people of color. So there's a special place in

920
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 3: my heart for that very special show that didn't age.

921
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 2: Well until now, Divas.

922
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 3: It is one of the greatest pieces of art that

923
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 3: I have seen in a really, really long time.

924
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 2: And to have those people.

925
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 3: On that stage from the ballroom community melded with the

926
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 3: you know, the more traditional theater people, and to I just.

927
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 2: Yea.

928
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 3: And to know that I'm a part of that, To

929
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 3: know that I'm a part of the generation that held

930
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 3: the gatekeeper's feet to the fire and said no, you

931
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 3: will see.

932
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: Us, you will see us, is just magical. To me.

933
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 2: It really is just lovely.

934
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 3: It really really is lovely, and so I want to

935
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,959
Speaker 3: continue to do that.

936
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 2: It's not just about me. You know, I've had it,

937
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 2: I got it all. I have it.

938
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 3: I have all the things that I've ever dreamed of

939
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 3: and more. You know, I've already done it. Anytime I

940
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 3: have like that, you know, when we all have that

941
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 3: twin je oh I want to it's like, oh wait,

942
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 3: I already did it.

943
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I already did that. It's special.

944
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is special. It's cool because it's all part

945
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 1: of your I feel like, part of your legacy. Yeah right, yeah,

946
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: part of your legacy. And you said though that you've

947
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: done it all, You've done it all. Of it, most all,

948
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: most all, We're gonna get you that.

949
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And I want my you know, I want

950
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 3: my television show that I write and direct and create

951
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 3: and start in. I want my films. I want my

952
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 3: you know plays, I want my musicals. I wrote a

953
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 3: musical with Kirk Carr, gospel recording artist Kirk Carr. You

954
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 3: know that I'm pushing up that hill like Sisyphis. You know,

955
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 3: I have lots of projects and that in the conference

956
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 3: that I've been.

957
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 2: Working on for years. You know, Yeah, now is the

958
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 2: time to get that done.

959
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: So what's making you uncomfortable?

960
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 2: Now?

961
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: What's you feel very uncomfortable? What's so uncomfortable?

962
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 2: A go, Billy, Well, we gotta go on sub sect

963
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: to get the real. So you're not gonna tell me

964
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 2: or what's making me uncomfortable?

965
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: The most uncomfortable?

966
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 3: Well, I'll go from Howard where the uncomfortable started, COVID

967
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 3: into two strikes, into a really messy, nasty divorce for

968
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 3: three years that just got over about two months ago.

969
00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 3: Finally where he got every all every cent I ever

970
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 3: worked for in my life, no legally, And people ask me,

971
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 3: how is that possible? How is it possible that orange

972
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 3: Gina is in office for the second time. Ask yourself

973
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 3: that and then you'll understand why our legal system is trash.

974
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 2: Period. No.

975
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 3: I he was before anything, so I didn't even know

976
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 3: what that.

977
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: Was your like prena for one, I didn't know what

978
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: that was.

979
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 5: Great, yes, but I didn't know what we've just got.

980
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 5: We just got the right to get married, like I didn't.

981
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it never even crossed my mind.

982
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

983
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: And presumably when you're getting married, you're like, this is

984
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: my person, right, And.

985
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 3: I will say that Ryan Murphy God bless him, met

986
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 3: him and said, you need to get a post Oh,

987
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 3: and I didn't.

988
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 2: You didn't do it because he saw it.

989
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: How many years before it was time to get divorced?

990
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: Did Ryan call that? Four? Oh?

991
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 2: You had?

992
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: He told you four years in advance.

993
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: He met him one time and said you need a

994
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: post nut Ryan b knowing, and then my mom died.

995
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: That's really uncomfortable. Yeah, that's really hard.

996
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 3: You know.

997
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 2: It's me and my sister and my mother was.

998
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 3: A very religious Pentecostal woman, Church of God in Christ.

999
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: Child kojak, kojak, that's what it is.

1000
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 2: Saying it wrong.

1001
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: But I know the ceog I.

1002
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 3: Kojak, and when I came out to her as gay

1003
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 3: in the eighties, she didn't have a good response.

1004
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 2: She loved me, she didn't kick me out. She did

1005
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 2: I didn't get that, but she was afraid from my soul,

1006
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: Oh you're going to hell, the same old And she

1007
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 2: went from that all the way to a choosing me.

1008
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 3: And choosing the LGBTQ plus community.

1009
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 2: In Jesus' name through love, and.

1010
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 3: Told my sister and I on her deathbed to stand

1011
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 3: up in front of her casket and hold the people

1012
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 3: who the church, people who were her community for a

1013
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 3: long time, and who were the traumatizers of our family,

1014
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 3: hold them accountable and tell them the truth because they

1015
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 3: are wrong. I mean, it's so beautiful and I miss

1016
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 3: her so much, and then sepsis. You know, I've never

1017
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 3: felt my age until right now. My whole body is

1018
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 3: what I use from my work, and there's a part

1019
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 3: of it that I can't use right now fully coming back.

1020
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 2: They don't know if it's going to be one hundred percent.

1021
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 3: I can tell you right now it's about eighty five

1022
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 3: ninety percent. The compartment syndrome destroyed all of the nerves

1023
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 3: in my foot. They're coming back. They're coming back, but

1024
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 3: I'll see, you know, a performance you know, of me

1025
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 3: in kinky boots or a performance of me and something.

1026
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 3: And I'm you know, it's uncomfortable to know that I

1027
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 3: can't do that right now.

1028
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know if I'll ever be able

1029
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 2: to do that.

1030
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 3: That's an uncomfortable place because that was my superpower. And

1031
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 3: to feel like you've lost your superpower is uncomfortable. Like

1032
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 3: I said, to feel like you've lost your superpower is uncomfortable.

1033
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 3: Feelings are not always facts, and so I'm working myself

1034
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 3: through that right now.

1035
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,959
Speaker 2: And it's uncomfortable in a good way.

1036
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 3: Like I said, it's uncomfortable in a good way because

1037
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 3: whatever whatever grows from this, I've been planting these seeds

1038
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 3: my whole life. I plant seeds all the time. I

1039
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 3: never stopped I never stopped dreaming, I never stopped growing,

1040
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 3: I never stopped expanding, and I never stopped holding myself accountable.

1041
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 2: You know.

1042
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 3: Right now, I'm like, oh, this is my ego that

1043
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 3: I thought I had dealt with. And the ego is tricky.

1044
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 2: You know. I did that Mariah Carey thing, right I

1045
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 2: love talking to you. I did that, and I'm like.

1046
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 3: So my first event back was the Grammys and I

1047
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 3: was called to do a tribute to Mariah Carey for

1048
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 3: the Music Cares.

1049
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 2: They do it every year, and a few years ago

1050
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 2: I did it for uh this, My brain is still foggy.

1051
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: I didn't even have substance in my brain.

1052
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 2: Is my brain?

1053
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 3: I sang both sides now, Jonny Mitchell, and so they

1054
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 3: called me back to do this.

1055
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 2: And you know, my fashion is my armor.

1056
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 3: My fashion is my weapon, My fashion is my politics.

1057
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 3: My fashion.

1058
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 2: Is my superpower.

1059
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 3: And it's based on a very specific thing, very specific things,

1060
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 3: non binary de gendering of fashion. I wear what the

1061
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 3: fuck I want, right, and when I'm doing the non

1062
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 3: binary thing and leaning into the feminine part of it,

1063
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 3: of of of me, the silwet is this. And then

1064
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 3: this the train right when I'm in eight and a

1065
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 3: half inch.

1066
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: Rick Owens platform pumps, it makes me about six to two.

1067
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: So that train catches the wind and just lays behind

1068
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: me like it should.

1069
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 2: I saw myself singing always Be My Baby, and I

1070
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 2: remember I kept stepping on my train. I was like,

1071
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 2: am I stepping on this train?

1072
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 3: And I looked at me. When I finally looked at it,

1073
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, I'm in flats. It's

1074
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 3: not catching the air, it's bunching up under me. I

1075
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 3: look like the clothes are wearing me. That's never happened

1076
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 3: to me before. I like, it was like, that's only me.

1077
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 3: Nobody else noticed it. And it's my ego. That's my ego.

1078
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 3: I get what it is, you know. And it's like,

1079
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm about to do play a drag

1080
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 3: queen in a Broadway show and I'm gonna have to

1081
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 3: put on a kitten heill like Michelle Obama.

1082
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: Let me say, I used to talk about kitten hills,

1083
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: but I love a kitten hill.

1084
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 2: Now I'm sorry. I know you might just have.

1085
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: To get used to k I used to talk so

1086
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: much shit about a kid wear a flat or wear

1087
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: a heel, but not a kitten. And now I got

1088
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 1: like three pairs of kitten heels.

1089
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to go to product and get them kidneys. Yeah,

1090
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 2: they're kind of cute. They are cute, and it's still

1091
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 2: a heel.

1092
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: It's still a heel, and it's still elegant. And if

1093
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: it's an inch, it's a heel. I mean, oh, go

1094
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: to You're gonna go to I'm gonna go to I

1095
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: can do two okay, Okay, be careful, I.

1096
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 3: Know, but like that part, like the image part, like

1097
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 3: just really going Okay, it's okay. I am exactly where

1098
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to be. There's growth in this and I

1099
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,479
Speaker 3: feel it happening all at once.

1100
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

1101
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Billy, it's time for a segment. I call

1102
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: that's nice. But what about me?

1103
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 2: So that was cute or whatever.

1104
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:48,959
Speaker 1: Okay, so that was cute or whatever, but we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about me now. No, I want to take the

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Speaker 1: segment to say thank you so much for sharing yourself

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Speaker 1: with me today, of course listeners, for your vulnerability, for

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Speaker 1: your honesty. I am so inspired by the way you're

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Speaker 1: choosing to live, especially now after having been in the

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Speaker 1: hospital and been dead for three days.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and for those of you who want to talk

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Speaker 3: shit on my comments talking about I'm being extra and

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Speaker 3: not dead, look it up.

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Speaker 2: He was dead dead and I just had to say that.

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Speaker 2: I just had to say that.

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Speaker 3: You know, because it's not on a SoundBite on social media.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's on real press.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, said, let me say it here.

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Speaker 2: You motherfucker's telling me what I went through.

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Speaker 1: And he said, motherfucker is not a mefirst No, because

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Speaker 1: we're not the church.

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Speaker 2: Telling me what I what I went through?

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Speaker 6: How very dare you see?

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Speaker 2: I haven't sense of humor too? You do?

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Speaker 1: But you know what the thing is, I do want

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Speaker 1: to ask you this about defending a quick give me

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Speaker 1: like your your fastest way to be like, I won't

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Speaker 1: be defending myself against trolls. Because you still felt the

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Speaker 1: need to say something here and I resonate with that

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Speaker 1: where you're like, I need to let you know, why

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Speaker 1: are you speaking on my situation. Come to the come

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Speaker 1: to the mike right right right, say what is like

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Speaker 1: a good piece of advice because I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people fall into that.

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Speaker 3: Well for me, I'm not doing it here. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 3: not doing it here. Okay, I will address it here,

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Speaker 3: and I'll address it.

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Speaker 1: Right here on the podcast on Thanks Dad with Ago Wodem. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and you have been Billy Porter.

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Speaker 2: This is real, So y'all can hear the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: You can? Yes, I'm extra and why are you not?

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Speaker 2: And you're not a enough all of the things. I'm

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Speaker 2: extra and you're not all of the things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I will you know what I mean like it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I do know. That's what I'm here.

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Speaker 1: I have to have you back on the Please you

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Speaker 1: have to do a part too, please, I want to

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Speaker 1: I want.

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Speaker 2: To check in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, Billy, I love you to do

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Speaker 1: that was that? Was it? Because I wanted to just

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Speaker 1: ask how you handled the trolls handled Yeah, that's.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, that's how I handled the trolls. I handled

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Speaker 3: the trolls.

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Speaker 2: On by living Okay, okay, okay, I keep living and

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Speaker 2: I keep thriving.

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Speaker 1: And you do, yeah, and you really do. Yeah, Billy,

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you're alive. Thank you for coming you

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Speaker 1: delight and okay, that was my talk with Billy Porter.

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Speaker 1: How inspiring. I feel so inspired. And I was right,

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Speaker 1: it's the kuchie. It's usually the kuchie. If you want

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Speaker 1: advice from me and my next guest, you could have

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Speaker 1: had advice from Billy Porter. If someone had called and

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Speaker 1: told us some tea, you could have gotten advice from

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Speaker 1: me and Billy Porter. And I think Billy would have

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Speaker 1: given good advice.

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Speaker 2: I just get this.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, if you want advice, call five zero two

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Speaker 1: eight four nine three two three seven five zero two

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Speaker 1: eight four nine three two three seven five zero two.

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Speaker 1: Thanks THHX Dads, What a beautiful day, What a beautiful day.

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Speaker 1: Please tune in next time. I love you, next time.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Dad.

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Speaker 1: Is a production of Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and

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Speaker 1: iHeart Podcasts. I'm your host Aego wodem Our producer is

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Speaker 1: Kevin Bartelt and our executive producer is Matt Appadaka